right, because how dare God not want to send people to eternal torture simply for being skeptical or seeking him in different way, what kind of powerful loving God would he be then right? you people are crazy.......
"they think that everyone will be saved no matter what they`ve done"....does this mean that you have earned your salvation by what you have done?....i think you have exposed your own heart
@david1611kjv If you combine a carnal minded view of scripture with fear, self rightiouse blind ego, a hidden desire for vengence and spark the religiouse engine with a pharisitical spirit. You get a determend believer of hell. These hell believers say that Christ spoke more about hell than heaven, but why didnt the apostle Paul teach the gentiles about the judgement of Gehenna? After all, he taught us all what God wants us to know (Acts 20:27).
I think those Christians that are against Univeralism just need to chill lol as it were, and live their Christian life and show their good fruits to all people Christian and none, and you do the same , prove to them and all, that you belong to Jesus and that you are like this fountain of joy, peace and hope and of love by the way you live.
The pharisees thought of themselves as rightouse, but they continued to sin knowing they were sinning. Urefuted is no different. Christ called them hypocrites. Urefuted thinks because he is a christian and he believes in God, he has a licence to call others idiot and stupid. Beware of such people. This hellwisher hates all universalists and athiests. He does not concider us brethren. Just ask him. To say we are not brothers is to hate your brother.
@SwordofManticorE I don't know why you don't just speak directly to me because we both know that that's what you're trying to do. Do you think that God doesn't know what you're doing? Do you think that you have Him fooled? See you epitomize exactly what the religionists of Jesus day were because they lived out a facade and thought that others were buying it. Well we both know why you won't address me directly, because it won't end well for you.
What a load of BS. If there is a god, he'll save those who are good and loving - even if they have never heard of Jesus or Christianity --- that is Universalism.
@UniversalismRefuted Exactly who is "Him"? Do you mean Christ? Do you mean ONLY Christ? Because if you do, that's BS. I cannot believe that a loving god would cast someone into hell just because they've never heard of Jesus.
@stretch654 A quote from a good friend of mine may help you. "If there is just one thing anyone can do to earn their salvation, then they have made their salvation dependent on themselves rather than God, and have made salvation a thing of man rather than of God, therefore giving themselves glory for salvation. Man's salvation is of God ALL OF IT! Therefore I give God ALL THE GLORY, and none of the credit for myself. "
Dont listen to Urefuteds nonsense. He hates me, so why listen to him.
@SwordofManticorE Why are you trying to help someone who despises the Good News? I think it might be wasted effort when its so plain that they are not even close to being spiritualy prepared by God. We can't make the blind see, only God can do that. We don't know who God has prepared but sometimes its kind of obvious who is not ready to hear the truth. Someone who likes to insult and belittle others has no love of Jesus in them. Stay strong brother.
@whiskeyfoxpix The only thing that get's belittled is your false doctrine. You people run around with you fingers jammed in your ears, screaming and shouting "we're right and you're wrong" but when others point out your errors, fallacies and lies, you cry "foul" and say that we "hate truth" and that we're hell wishers" and make all kinds of slanderous accusations. I wish I had a list of all the names SwordofBologna called me with his "love of Jesus". You're all hypocrites!
@stretch654 Who cares what you "can't believe", it only matters what Christ Himself has said. If you have a problem with that then take it up with Him.
@UniversalismRefuted OK, just so I'm clear on this: you think that a good person - no matter how virtuous or blameless their life has been, is going to hell simply because they haven't read your Bible or heard of Jesus Christ? (And don't tell me what Christ thinks 'cos you don't know the guy - tell me what YOU think)
@UniversalismRefuted I never gave you a definition of "good". But you seem to think that everyone who hasn't heard of Christ is going to hell. That is what I'm objecting to.
@UniversalismRefuted Probably not, but I've tried. But my original point still stands. If someone has never read the Bible or heard of Christ, but who has followed your definition of how to be good, then I can't see why God would exclude them from heaven.
@stretch654 As I said, people are punished by God for the sins of comission and the sins of omission meaning that all the things you do that are wrong and all the things you fail to do that are right. So, even if a person has not heard of Christ, they have still willfully gone against the knowledge of right and wrong that is within them. You've heard of Him now yet you reject Him and you've known right from wrong yet you rejected that knowledge as well.
@stretch654 Did he say we have to keep Gods commandments perfectly to be saved? Then non of us are saved especially Urefuted. He believes in hell, but acts like he doesnt. It is not our efforts that saves us. It is Gods grace that saves us. It is a free gift with no strings attached to all men. If there were strings, it would not be free. Beware of those who bring legistlation, fear and control and still call themselves christians.
@SwordofManticorE No I didn't say that idiot so mind your own business. Obviously you're too stupid to read the scriptures so it's no wonder that you cannot even read a post.
@stretch654 If people wish to be "good" in the economy of God then they must be perfect in thought, word and deed 24/7 without fail. Anything short of that is not "good".
@SwordofManticorE Well we're discussing what God's standard of "Good" is and since you are of the retarded class when it comes to any type of reading comprehension then it's no wonder that you have completely distorted everything that I have said thus far. I will say that the pharisees were more like men because at least they tried to debate their issues whereas cowards like you just run and hide. I bet you wife is disappointed to be married to such a wimp.
@UniversalismRefuted Just a personall question to you, sir. Are you against Universalism? If so, why? I also want to thank you for taking the time to respond if you choose to do so.
@SwordofManticorE It's actually quite an interesting subject, really. I am a universalist, and I find that most who disagree with me about it have nothing new to offer against it. They just don't seem to understand that this isn't a disagreement over Biblical material, but the basis of the material. For instance, I believe in Hell, but most Christians and I disagree on what "hell" is. That's just an example, though.
@watchthefaithrain I believe we should choose our words wisely. The word hell is known to most of the human race as a wicked and evil place where a being called satan and many demons abide to torment lost souls.. I myself believe in more accurate words such as grave for example.
@stretch654 I'm going to message you directly because this SwordofManurE is acting like the nosey old lady next door that thinks it's her job to peek out of the curtains and patrol the neighborhood.
This video is the intelectual property of Satan and those who support it here are playing for the wrong team. Notice the mean spirited and hateful words of those who defend it. You will know them by thier works. Words of hate flow from a mind full of the same. I wish the best for them anyway and my hope is that certain blind people posting here will someday soon have thier eyes opened by the Lord. The Lord loves them. Can I do anything less?
@whiskeyfoxpix "Hateful words" man if you aren't a typical 21st century cry baby. No, nobody saidn they "hated" you, you're just weak and frail and ignorant, that's all. I havew plenty more to further prove your doctrine of demons to be false. We know you by your false gospel that tells lost people that everything is OK when it's not.
@whiskeyfoxpix hey, just a quick heads up, this guy megatruth45 / universalismrefuted / gtrjunky / Mothmann21 is a serial youtube stalker/abuser - just put the screennames into google and you can see the abuse for yourself. Its not worth giving him/her/it the time of day, they just go from video to video attacking anyone who doesnt agree with them. It's not worth trying to reason with a psycho! Take care.
@whiskeyfoxpix Hey bro. megatruth45 is another channel of Brian morgan aka gtrjunky, mothman, universalismrefuted and probably more. The YT forum has been talking about getting him permanently banned from YT for stalking, spamming and endless insults.
@SwordofManticorE You should really get your facts straight before going around gossiping like the woman that you are. If you spent half the time actually trying to defend the heresy that you propogate instead of acting like the spineless woman that you are people might respect you.
@SwordofManticorE Not surprising. I have seen his type do that sort of thing before. They have more than one account so they can attack from more than one angle. They fail to understand that truth can't be changed into a lie no matter how many hateful voices shout out thier vile heresy. I recall one person who had a male and a female profile that would join in on the same Alice Spicer video and compliment each other on thier faulty unbiblical logic. Its pure deception
@whiskeyfoxpix You're right, truth cannot be changed unfortunately that spineless jellyfish SwordofManurE will not stand his ground to convey that so-called "truth". It's funny how it's OK for him to go around to all of the universalist videos and argue and comment but when others do it, they're "stalking" and "harrassing". Sorry but universalism falls on it's face and gutless wimps like him know it.
@whiskeyfoxpix See, in John 6 Jesus said that "all that the Father gives Him, He loses none and in John 17 Jesus said that He also lost none EXCEPT the son of perdition (perishing/destruction) How about that, Jesus said that he was lost.
@megatruth45 "doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. " The context was that Jesus was speaking to the Lord about His impeding death and about His followers of whom Judas was lost , "..so that Scripture would be fulfilled". It was not a failure of Jesus. Judas was lost from His inner circle and and he indeed did perish while the others remained. Judas was sinner as were all the apostles.
@whiskeyfoxpix Uhhh let's see...Jesus said...it would be better for THAT MAN (betrayer) if he had not been born..yep doesn't sound like anything univeresalistic in store for Judas.
@megatruth45 Were you never lost, were you ever or are you now a sinner? Do you have a current status that makes you a Non-sinner? Did you earn your salvation? Did Judas fail to earn forgiveness in any age? What verses say that Judas will never be forgiven for all eternity? Are you like the Pharisee that thanks God that he is not like the sinners?
@whiskeyfoxpix Jesus said "Of all that tghe Father gives me I lose none" Then in John 17 He concurs by saying "of all that you gave me I lost none EXCEPT THE SON OF PERDITION.
@whiskeyfoxpix Not to mention that Jesus verbally and deliberately excluded the WORLD from His prayer in John 17 and said "I do not pray for the world but I pray for those you have given me OUT OF the world".
@megatruth45 His ministry was not to the world. It was to Israel, We benefit from his gift of grace to the word but that prayer was concerning those the Father had given Him at the time and place. Thats part of the issue of context you seek to address in another verse. The issue of salvation to the world was made plain by the words of Jesus. Now you want to talk about Paul? I sure do.
@whiskeyfoxpix See any dumb ass can do that but for those of us who have not soent several years with the language to be proficient with it's use then we use Lexical tools that guide you so that people like me don't become univeersalists because we thought we knew what we were doing when ion fact we did not.
@whiskeyfoxpix Now to address your ignorance about John17, you didn't read the end of Jesus prayer because at the end, He includes those who would believe because of their testimony and there were MANY gentiles that came to believe because of their testimony including myself in this day...and Yes, Jesus ministry was to the world...those who believe.
@whiskeyfoxpix Now I will happily and effectively refute your ignorant use of 1 Tim.4 that you people incessantly abuse like unresoning animals when I am ready.
@megatruth45 Wow. You have nothing to share with me when you have that attitude. The light of Christ does not seem to shine in you sir. Your attitude is as black as your doctrine. Its almost 5AM here and I will not waste another minute with someone spitting non sensical venom. I have already wasted my time sharing the scriptures with you. I hope you become a believer someday soon. It will be God that eventualy opens your eyes, Not I. Have the last word. Have the last 1000 for all I care.
Hold on! Let me guess! "open your bible, point to the word hell and forever and call them heretics" lol, don't do any studying or research into the original texts and meanings of the words, don't use any logic and cling real tight to your tradition! :D
Lol. Let go of your dark age beliefs and conditioning. Your million buzzwords that keep you feeling close to "jesus" are the ones that keep you away from feeling your own energy and if you felt your own energy and listened to it, the energy of the godhead, the energy that is all, the energy that can neither be created nor destroyed only changed, you're bible world would crumble under the simplicity of true spirituality. We are all fed back into the godhead, it is our destiny as beings of energy.
When encountering a universalist, don't make any sudden moves. They might want to hug you. Slowly back away, because they may view you as one of God's unique creations. Restore your faith by referring to one the few translations of the bible non-universalists approve of; you know the kind of bible I'm talking about. One of the few translations which actually uses the word hell. Then take comfort by knowing and believing hell is real and the universalist is a fake.
How to respond? How about "Finaly someone makes sense and stays within literal translation of scriptures without adding or taking things away to help support church lies." Universalism is not a religion. Its a concept contained in scripture.and nothing else. I believe in baptism yet nobody calls me a Baptist. I believe 1 Corr 15:22 but you dont need to call me a Universalist. I am a Christian. Those who reject Universal Reconciliation preach another Gospel that is mainly Bad News for most
@whiskeyfoxpix I believe in 1 Cor.15:22 as well because all who are in Christ will indeed be made alive and I also believe in 2Thes.1:8 which pertains to those who are not in Christ.
@megatruth45 All will be made alive in Christ just as ALL died in Adam. The two are listed as opposites to make a clear point. One death, one life. ALL is a key word. You and I are part of the ALL. That is the Good News mentioned in 2 Thes 1:8 that should not be ignored. So be careful friend... 2 Thess 1:8 AND verse 9 tell us that those who are on the earth at the time of His appearing, who don't don't know God and obey the Gospel, shall "..suffer justice -- destruction age-during.." (YLT)
@megatruth45 My doctrine is the Bible. I wish you were a believer in the Gospel. Christ is the one that makes ALL alive, just as in Adam ALL died. Are any people on earth exempt from the "In Adam" part? No. Again, Adam contrasts the actions of Christ and ALL died in Adam. 1 Cor 15:22 does not say that only those in Christ are made alive. It says that "In Christ, ALL are made alive." Its an ALL inclusive statement yet some make it exclusive to "special" people. Are you special?
@whiskeyfoxpix Indeed, everyone born is in Adam however as the scriptures say not all are in Christ. If "all" were in Christ then "all" should have the benefits of being "in Christ" but since you ignored the fact that some people are punished even though they are supposed to be forgiven.
@megatruth45 You must be ignoring the fact that all suffer for sin. All receive judgement. However, NO Biblical punishment includes eternal torture. Thats a pagan myth not found in the Bible. All are forgiven the ultimate penalty of sin which was spiritual death. 1 Tim 4:10 says that "for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing". Why won't you believe?
@whiskeyfoxpix 1 Tim.4:10 has nothing to do with salvation whatsoever. I'll deal with that next...come on back to Judas and Paul with the people he wished himself accursed for.
@megatruth45 The verse says "Savior of all men" yet we should ignore the word Salvation? Why not just retreat to church doctrine that says that he is the Savior of all the special people. Oh thats right, you ignore any scripture that doesn't fit with your church doctrine. If you see the word ALL or Savior just ignore those words or insert words to change meaning. Why would anyone who hates literal meaning want to be faithful to what was actualy written?
@whiskeyfoxpix "Salvation" is not used in that passage but you see I will apply some actual greek clarity to that passage when we get to it. The problem is that in order for 1 Tim.4 to be understood rightly, you need to reconcile verses 1 thru 16 in total.
@megatruth45 I am all for any full examination that uses literal language and full contextual consideration. Its important to consider exactly what was said to who and by whom. Demonstrate your knowledge of common Greek but stay within the scripture. I despise church lies that support ultimate heresy.
@whiskeyfoxpix Well see here's the deal...you are NOT a greek expert but then neither am I. But see uni-pukes think that looking at greek is just a matter of looking up a worfd in a Lexicon and then choosing the definition that suits their needs. That's a bull in a china shop just as you all are.
@whiskeyfoxpix See I do belive the biblical gospel as it applies to those who believe. Your "gospel" is nothing more than the same lie told by your father below in the garden..."surely you won't die..."
@megatruth45 Do you even know what Good News is? Maybe you confuse it with the a bad news message that says that Jesus failed to save the world and complete His work. That the news is that somehow His failure means that special people need to save themselves by wisely choosing to become christians. Surely we all do die. ALL of us. Its Satan that says that most will be tortured ALIVE for eternity. OUR Father says that ALL die but that Death, the final enemy, will be destroyed. I believe.
@whiskeyfoxpix Well the word of God never says that the good news is going to be good to everyone. In fact it says that it is foolishness to some and what you refuse to believe is that not "all people" are in Christ because if they were in Christ then they should have all of the things that accompany being "in Christ" such as not being appointed to wrath.
@megatruth45 You said: " the word of God never says that the good news is going to be good to everyone." I have already quoted you chapter and verse that shows that it does in fact say that its Good News to ALL. Can you really be that blind and have a heart that hard? Amazing..
@whiskeyfoxpix Nope, you never quoted any verse that says it's good news to every single person. You ripped a verse out of context from 1 Tim.4:10 that is not a salvific passage at all, now back to Judas and Paul K?
@megatruth45 I showed the verses. You ignore them. I addressed your Judas question and you ignore my response because your heart is hard and your mind is set on church tradition.
@whiskeyfoxpix No, you showed one of your typical "I have no biblical education but I'll tell you what I was told" verses that has nothing to do with salvation.
@megatruth45 You show your lack of biblical education, your mean spirited hatred for the truth, and you parrot church doctrine that prefers non literal scripture to support church lies. Your quote on Judas is a good example. One last time. The writer said "the Son of Man doth indeed go, as it hath been written concerning him, but wo to that man through whom the Son of Man is delivered up! good it were for him if that man had not been born". Put your glasses on and read it at least once.
This is crystal clear. It would have been better for HIM if that man had never been born. It does NOT say it would have been better if Judas had not been born. For OUR sake it was BEST. Without the the crucifixtion we would ALL be lost. I am sure you will just hate the truth of this literal translation becuase it destroys your arguement and your doctrine.
@whiskeyfoxpix See you prove your flat out stupidity by implying that Jesus pronounced a "woe" upon himself for doing something that God called Good. ie going to the cross.
@whiskeyfoxpix See basically you tried in a non sensical way to turn the "woe" onto Jesus which in the syntax of the verse makes no sense at all so no you didn't answer it, you twisted it. Plus there is not a commentary in existence that would concur with what you did to that passage.
@megatruth45 I merely use literal language. Please excuse me for prefering a faithful translation that helps us rightly divide the Word. You might want to try it sometime yourself
@whiskeyfoxpix Young is not a "faithful" translation. Faithful translations are done by TEAMS of accrfedited scholars not privately self taught indivduals.
@whiskeyfoxpix "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1Cor.1:18)
How about that, I guess it's not good to everyone.
@whiskeyfoxpix People don't "wisley choose" anything they are divinely chosen by God. In fact, Jesus said that "all that the Father gives me will come to me..." (Jn.6) so if everyone comes to Him then A) why aren't they and B) why would Jesus say that if everyone is going to come to Him?
@whiskeyfoxpix Let's see, if Judas was labeled as "LOST" by Jesus and also called the "son of perdition" and also said to be in store for something that would be worse than being born then I'd say that that is definitely not universalism.
@megatruth45 You were "lost", were you not? The fact that Judas was described as the son of perdition (destruction) does not in any way demonstrate that he would be lost forever. You still ignore the scripture given? The verse says that it would have been better for Jesus if Judas had not been born. The reason is obvious but for OUR sake it was BEST. You still did not go back and read the verse? Not interested in the Bible?
@whiskeyfoxpix I'll also ask you again, why would the apostle Paul wish himself to be "accursed/cut off from Christ" form the sake of his kinsmen if they were going to be saved anyway?
@megatruth45 Now you are making a little more sense. God chooses us, we dont choose God. The statement stands for itself. All that were called to Him did then, and ALL MUST eventualy, come to Him. None are lost, not one. Its a leap to suggest that the Father does not eventualy give all when other parts of scripture show that all will come to Him "Each in thier own turn", The Bible does not contradict itself. Jesus is the One and Only way and ALL will eventualy believe, even you.
@whiskeyfoxpix Now if "all" is an "all inclusive statement" then why would Jesus say about Judas that it would have been better for him to have not been born? Doesn't sound like universalism was in store for Judas.
@megatruth45 You refer to Matt 26:24. Read it more carefully and in literal language. This is what it says: "the Son of Man doth indeed go, as it hath been written concerning him, but wo to that man through whom the Son of Man is delivered up! good it were for him if that man had not been born." Its talking about Jesus, not Judas. The commentary is that it would have been better for Jesus if Judas had not been born to betray Him. We know Judas had to play his part. Jesus CHOSE him.
@megatruth45 You refered to that scripture with the words of your post so I dont need to try again. Are you not even aware of where that came from? Dont spout words that you heard once or twice in church if you have no idea of the source. I dont want to hear your opinion or your church doctrine.
@whiskeyfoxpix "The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to THAT MAN by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for THAT MAN if he had never been born."
@whiskeyfoxpix Jesus NEVER pronounced a "woe" upon Himself and neither did anyone else. Not to mention that Jesus said that Judas was lost yet none of the other were. Even though Peter denied Jesus, Peter was never referred to like this.
@whiskeyfoxpix That is the BIGGEST load of BS that you can shovel to say that it would be better for Jesus to have not been born. PU-LEEEZ...Jesus came to glorify the Father and to be glorified and in Mark 14 Jesus says "that man" meaning the one who betrays Him.
@megatruth45 I quoted you word for word from the Bible and you call it bullshit because it conflicts with your church doctrine. So you prefer church doctrine to the scriptures. Now its obvious where your love and loyalty lies. The verse did not say it would have been better if Jesus had not been born, READ IT AGAIN
@megatruth45 All the apostles let Jesus down. All were sinners. If you refuse to consider that Judas can be saved as a sinner then you condemn yourself becuase you and the ones that Jesus chose were all sinners. Only sinners get saved. Judas was a sinner. Sounds like Universal Reconciliation to me.
Sorry, WRONG AGAIN! I was talking about Mark 14 and you can also look at John 17 when Jesus is praying and He tells the Father that He has lost none except the son of perdition.
@megatruth45 If you look at 1 Cor 15:22 and hold to the idea that only those "In Christ" are made alive then you have twisted scripture and made it say something that it doesn't. The verse clearly says that "In Christ, ALL are made alive". I thought you were using 2 Thess 1:8 to make a case that all are made alive at judgement but that some are then sent to burn. I guess you abandoned that tact when you saw that I understood the literal meaning of the verse even though you didn't.
@whiskeyfoxpix Actually I am certain that you don't know jack about koine greek because all of you uni-pukes recite the same crap like a bunch of robots.
@whiskeyfoxpix See I have all of the confidence in the world that I can prove your doctrine to be false but I also know that you like your ilk will not be brave enough or honest enough to deal with the many, many errors and contradictions that you propogate because you have invested your lives in your religion of universalism and would never worship a Soveriegn God who does as He pleases according to His will.
@megatruth45 Your confidance is in yourself while mine is in the Word. You are still resorting to empty rhetoric becuase you dont back up anything you say. You have not shown one single error in the biblical concept of universal reconciliation. God does indeed do "All that He wills" The scripture shows that He will ALL to be saved yet you refuse Him that and prefer your church doctrine
@whiskeyfoxpix See, the apostle Paul knew that there were going to be people that were not saved and thus he grieved to the point of wishing himself to be "accursed" for the sake of his brethren according to the flesh (Romans 9)
@whiskeyfoxpix Not to mention that if Paul thought that every single person without exception was going to be saved then he certainly wouldn't have wished himself to be "accursed" for the sake of his kinsmen according to the flesh.
@whiskeyfoxpix It's interesting that your channel says that true believers that oppose you use "the same old tired, out of context verses" when that's what your lying doctrine hinges on.
@megatruth45 The Bible is my doctrine. Is it the Bible that you despise? You employ empty rhetoric because you have not shown me where I have strayed from literaly translated scripture. On the other hand, you have made an attempt to twist scripture to support a doctrine of demons when you quote 2 Thess 1:8 in an out of context manner that did not even serve to make your point at all.
@whiskeyfoxpix See, YLT is garbage. You might as well tear out the pages and wipe up dog poo with it. However I wouldn't want to desecrate the poo with it.
Also, in 2 Thes., Paul uses the word "vengeance" which is not a fitting word for people who are supposed to be "in Christ" not to mention, if they are "in Christ" then why are they being punished?
@megatruth45 The YLT is garbage? Its not surprising that you would not like a literal translation. The actual words written by the original writers don't support your heresy but versions that stray from literal language are prefered by those who do not like the Good News.
@whiskeyfoxpix See the topic at hand is Judas who was also called the son of destruction/perdition who was also called "lost" by Jesus and also said to be better off having not been born.
@whiskeyfoxpix Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Pay no attention to what SwordofmanticorE says, he is deluded.
Correction: I said "after the dross of their sin is burned away." More likely they will be taken out and given the chance to repent and accept Christ.
@SwordofManticorE Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
@SwordofManticorE Actually, your suggestion is to tuck your tail and run before you get exposed. That's what all you guys do under the guise of "not getting dragged into darkness". Funny how you guys will argue with people until they start to reveal your false doctrine with questions that you cannot answer.
1 Col16For by Him were ALL THINGS created, that are in HEAVEN, and that are in EARTH, visible and invisible, whether they be THRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES,or POWERS:(we are told these are living beings in Ephesians6): ALL THINGS were created by Him and for Him.And He is before ALL THINGS, and by Him ALL THINGS consist.20,And having made peace THROUGH HIS BLOOD of His cross, by Him to reconcile ALL THINGS unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth or things IN HEAVEN.
Rom5:18 As one offense led to condemnation of ALL men, so one act of righteousness leads to JUSTIFICATION and LIFE for ALL men. John 12:32 "When Iam lifted up from the earth I SHALL DRAW ALL PEOPLE TO MYSELF"....
@jvsm1971 NOPE! Romans 4 (which comes before Romans 5) says that it is those who "have faith"...see that's the qualifier and John 12 is talking about "mankind" meaning no longer just Jews but gentiles too. It doesn't mean "every single person in all of creation". Get your head out of your ass retard!
@ekkIesia386 No one can have "faith" but it's given to us by the Father. hence Jesus SHALL DRAW all men. I had no power or faith or knoweldge of Jesus Christ and the power of His cross UNTIL He drew me...and "called me". So I disagree with you but thanks for your sharing what you believe.
@jvsm1971 You people need a lesson in the word "all" as it's used in Koine greek. Jesus isn't going to draw "every single person that ever walked the planet".
@jvsm1971 Of course not, you're entrenched in a false belief system. Paul said that the time would come when men would not put up with sound doctrine.
@S :) I believe it's a picture of the unbelievers in the world (prodigal son) and believers (other brother who was full of resentment that the father would even dream of loving his returned son who deserved to be punished and bannished).The church today is so full of anger towards the unbelievers of this world and so quickly FORGET we were in deep spiriutal blindness in the very same way UNTIL Jesus called us home.Until we are ALL CALLED we are ALL BLIND.But our Father will draw us all back.
@jvsm1971 You nailed it friend. You are being drawn to our Father more than you know. Your truth does not bring judgment or condemnation to unbelievers, it brings them peace and joy. May you continue to be blessed in the love of our Father. We will suffer insults and stoning as our brother Paul did 1900 years ago, but He (God) has intrusted us with His wisdom, so lets use it to do good together.
@SwordofManticorE you made me cry brother. Thank you for encouraging my heart today, because recently I was called a heretic and that my doctrine was satanic and this believer even questioned my salvation. It hurt me so deeply because this person is EXTREMEMLY well known and loved on YT and of all the people, I was so so hurt by what they said to me. I was so amazed he even questioned my salavation. Love you and see you soon,for our Lord is soon to take us HOME.Your sister in Christ, Jessica.
Rom5:18 As one offense led to condemnation of ALL men, so one act of righteousness leads to JUSTIFICATION and LIFE for ALL men. John 12:32 "When Iam lifted up from the earth I SHALL DRAW ALL PEOPLE TO MYSELF"
The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God’s love & mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn’t translate to the afterlife? God will still judge but He will not punish forever. He’s a better father than we are, right?
1 Tim 4:10 This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
stand up against anti christ hollywood and zionist christian muslim and non zionist jew haters......this is the western world they dont want. ..they love jesus........we love jesus get out of his way.............please....................foind out who hates jesus that is your enemy...i pray god kills them he tells us not to......i am waitin to see them fall on the news b they jew christian budda muslim all who love killin let them b killed.....and the ones who love life and peace survive...
judgement is ongiong......people dont get away with sin they are paraniod and lost all along.....research personality disorders ect...u dip your hell doctrine or their sin is why they split not universalism....and dude in which 18 countries have men kept porn illegal for god until 2011? wasnt u american men for sure u to buisy judgin for god.....and demons ran free here......in the usa.....get buisy on somethin u can do somethin about instead of interpitin god for us..........good grief.....
right, because how dare God not want to send people to eternal torture simply for being skeptical or seeking him in different way, what kind of powerful loving God would he be then right? you people are crazy.......
blackmetal2222 1 week ago
"they think that everyone will be saved no matter what they`ve done"....does this mean that you have earned your salvation by what you have done?....i think you have exposed your own heart
david1611kjv 2 weeks ago
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@david1611kjv If you combine a carnal minded view of scripture with fear, self rightiouse blind ego, a hidden desire for vengence and spark the religiouse engine with a pharisitical spirit. You get a determend believer of hell. These hell believers say that Christ spoke more about hell than heaven, but why didnt the apostle Paul teach the gentiles about the judgement of Gehenna? After all, he taught us all what God wants us to know (Acts 20:27).
SwordofManticorE 2 weeks ago
I think those Christians that are against Univeralism just need to chill lol as it were, and live their Christian life and show their good fruits to all people Christian and none, and you do the same , prove to them and all, that you belong to Jesus and that you are like this fountain of joy, peace and hope and of love by the way you live.
xhemexx 2 months ago
One of the most amazing pieces of evidence that Christian Universalism is true
SwordandShield7 2 months ago
The funny thing is he said all that while keeping a straight face!
bzt464 2 months ago
The hypocrite talks.
SwordofManticorE 2 months ago
@SwordofManticorE I see that you do and much of it coward!
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
The pharisees thought of themselves as rightouse, but they continued to sin knowing they were sinning. Urefuted is no different. Christ called them hypocrites. Urefuted thinks because he is a christian and he believes in God, he has a licence to call others idiot and stupid. Beware of such people. This hellwisher hates all universalists and athiests. He does not concider us brethren. Just ask him. To say we are not brothers is to hate your brother.
SwordofManticorE 2 months ago
@SwordofManticorE I don't know why you don't just speak directly to me because we both know that that's what you're trying to do. Do you think that God doesn't know what you're doing? Do you think that you have Him fooled? See you epitomize exactly what the religionists of Jesus day were because they lived out a facade and thought that others were buying it. Well we both know why you won't address me directly, because it won't end well for you.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
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SwordofManticorE 2 months ago
What a load of BS. If there is a god, he'll save those who are good and loving - even if they have never heard of Jesus or Christianity --- that is Universalism.
stretch654 2 months ago
@stretch654 There is a God, and He will save all. This is the real good news.
SwordofManticorE 2 months ago
@stretch654 No, He'll save those who trust in Him for salvation.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@UniversalismRefuted Exactly who is "Him"? Do you mean Christ? Do you mean ONLY Christ? Because if you do, that's BS. I cannot believe that a loving god would cast someone into hell just because they've never heard of Jesus.
stretch654 2 months ago
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@stretch654 A quote from a good friend of mine may help you. "If there is just one thing anyone can do to earn their salvation, then they have made their salvation dependent on themselves rather than God, and have made salvation a thing of man rather than of God, therefore giving themselves glory for salvation. Man's salvation is of God ALL OF IT! Therefore I give God ALL THE GLORY, and none of the credit for myself. "
Dont listen to Urefuteds nonsense. He hates me, so why listen to him.
SwordofManticorE 2 months ago
@SwordofManticorE Thanks for your support, Sword. I get so depressed reading the narrow minded comments of others.
stretch654 2 months ago
@SwordofManticorE Why are you trying to help someone who despises the Good News? I think it might be wasted effort when its so plain that they are not even close to being spiritualy prepared by God. We can't make the blind see, only God can do that. We don't know who God has prepared but sometimes its kind of obvious who is not ready to hear the truth. Someone who likes to insult and belittle others has no love of Jesus in them. Stay strong brother.
whiskeyfoxpix 2 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix The only thing that get's belittled is your false doctrine. You people run around with you fingers jammed in your ears, screaming and shouting "we're right and you're wrong" but when others point out your errors, fallacies and lies, you cry "foul" and say that we "hate truth" and that we're hell wishers" and make all kinds of slanderous accusations. I wish I had a list of all the names SwordofBologna called me with his "love of Jesus". You're all hypocrites!
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@stretch654 Who cares what you "can't believe", it only matters what Christ Himself has said. If you have a problem with that then take it up with Him.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@UniversalismRefuted OK, just so I'm clear on this: you think that a good person - no matter how virtuous or blameless their life has been, is going to hell simply because they haven't read your Bible or heard of Jesus Christ? (And don't tell me what Christ thinks 'cos you don't know the guy - tell me what YOU think)
stretch654 2 months ago
@stretch654 Your definition of "good" and God's defintion are miles apart. People go to Hell because they have sinned against God.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@UniversalismRefuted I never gave you a definition of "good". But you seem to think that everyone who hasn't heard of Christ is going to hell. That is what I'm objecting to.
stretch654 2 months ago
@stretch654 I am going by God's definition of good.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@UniversalismRefuted Which is what?
stretch654 2 months ago
@stretch654 Look at God's commandments. Have you kept them perfectly your whole life?
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@UniversalismRefuted Probably not, but I've tried. But my original point still stands. If someone has never read the Bible or heard of Christ, but who has followed your definition of how to be good, then I can't see why God would exclude them from heaven.
stretch654 2 months ago
@stretch654 As I said, people are punished by God for the sins of comission and the sins of omission meaning that all the things you do that are wrong and all the things you fail to do that are right. So, even if a person has not heard of Christ, they have still willfully gone against the knowledge of right and wrong that is within them. You've heard of Him now yet you reject Him and you've known right from wrong yet you rejected that knowledge as well.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@stretch654 Did he say we have to keep Gods commandments perfectly to be saved? Then non of us are saved especially Urefuted. He believes in hell, but acts like he doesnt. It is not our efforts that saves us. It is Gods grace that saves us. It is a free gift with no strings attached to all men. If there were strings, it would not be free. Beware of those who bring legistlation, fear and control and still call themselves christians.
SwordofManticorE 2 months ago
@SwordofManticorE No I didn't say that idiot so mind your own business. Obviously you're too stupid to read the scriptures so it's no wonder that you cannot even read a post.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@stretch654 If people wish to be "good" in the economy of God then they must be perfect in thought, word and deed 24/7 without fail. Anything short of that is not "good".
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@stretch654 See what I mean. The hellwisher is now calling people stupid. Christ had a name for such people. Hypocrites.
SwordofManticorE 2 months ago
@SwordofManticorE Well we're discussing what God's standard of "Good" is and since you are of the retarded class when it comes to any type of reading comprehension then it's no wonder that you have completely distorted everything that I have said thus far. I will say that the pharisees were more like men because at least they tried to debate their issues whereas cowards like you just run and hide. I bet you wife is disappointed to be married to such a wimp.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@UniversalismRefuted Just a personall question to you, sir. Are you against Universalism? If so, why? I also want to thank you for taking the time to respond if you choose to do so.
-Charles
watchthefaithrain 2 months ago
@watchthefaithrain Yes, it's a lie.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@watchthefaithrain Funny how ppl are against Universalism when God desires it.
SwordofManticorE 1 month ago
@SwordofManticorE It's actually quite an interesting subject, really. I am a universalist, and I find that most who disagree with me about it have nothing new to offer against it. They just don't seem to understand that this isn't a disagreement over Biblical material, but the basis of the material. For instance, I believe in Hell, but most Christians and I disagree on what "hell" is. That's just an example, though.
watchthefaithrain 1 month ago
@watchthefaithrain I believe we should choose our words wisely. The word hell is known to most of the human race as a wicked and evil place where a being called satan and many demons abide to torment lost souls.. I myself believe in more accurate words such as grave for example.
SwordofManticorE 1 month ago
@SwordofManticorE Oooh I see. You mean "Grave" in the sense of (end of life)? Sort of like annihilationism?
watchthefaithrain 1 month ago
@watchthefaithrain No. Grave as in eternal sleep. This is what Christ saved us from. He saved us all from eternal sleep.
SwordofManticorE 1 month ago
@stretch654 I'm going to message you directly because this SwordofManurE is acting like the nosey old lady next door that thinks it's her job to peek out of the curtains and patrol the neighborhood.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
Sorry but you have created your own doctrine too. You do not have to believe in bell to be a Christian.
acidstars9 3 months ago
This video is the intelectual property of Satan and those who support it here are playing for the wrong team. Notice the mean spirited and hateful words of those who defend it. You will know them by thier works. Words of hate flow from a mind full of the same. I wish the best for them anyway and my hope is that certain blind people posting here will someday soon have thier eyes opened by the Lord. The Lord loves them. Can I do anything less?
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago 2
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@whiskeyfoxpix Too bad you're not biblically equipped to back up that claim.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix "Hateful words" man if you aren't a typical 21st century cry baby. No, nobody saidn they "hated" you, you're just weak and frail and ignorant, that's all. I havew plenty more to further prove your doctrine of demons to be false. We know you by your false gospel that tells lost people that everything is OK when it's not.
megatruth45 3 months ago
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@whiskeyfoxpix hey, just a quick heads up, this guy megatruth45 / universalismrefuted / gtrjunky / Mothmann21 is a serial youtube stalker/abuser - just put the screennames into google and you can see the abuse for yourself. Its not worth giving him/her/it the time of day, they just go from video to video attacking anyone who doesnt agree with them. It's not worth trying to reason with a psycho! Take care.
englishauthor 2 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Hey bro. megatruth45 is another channel of Brian morgan aka gtrjunky, mothman, universalismrefuted and probably more. The YT forum has been talking about getting him permanently banned from YT for stalking, spamming and endless insults.
SwordofManticorE 2 months ago
@SwordofManticorE You should really get your facts straight before going around gossiping like the woman that you are. If you spent half the time actually trying to defend the heresy that you propogate instead of acting like the spineless woman that you are people might respect you.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
@SwordofManticorE Not surprising. I have seen his type do that sort of thing before. They have more than one account so they can attack from more than one angle. They fail to understand that truth can't be changed into a lie no matter how many hateful voices shout out thier vile heresy. I recall one person who had a male and a female profile that would join in on the same Alice Spicer video and compliment each other on thier faulty unbiblical logic. Its pure deception
whiskeyfoxpix 2 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix You're right, truth cannot be changed unfortunately that spineless jellyfish SwordofManurE will not stand his ground to convey that so-called "truth". It's funny how it's OK for him to go around to all of the universalist videos and argue and comment but when others do it, they're "stalking" and "harrassing". Sorry but universalism falls on it's face and gutless wimps like him know it.
UniversalismRefuted 2 months ago
Oh! I almost forgot...call them names such as "morons, idiots, jackasses, etc." like I've seen in so many posts.
ShirleyCoralineJones 3 months ago
@ShirleyCoralineJones Hi Shirley! By looks of your posts, it's no wonder you guys get labeled that way.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 Wow. You really display the love of Jesus in your heart. No wait. Thats not love, its a totaly different spirit.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Don't worry about it, deal with scripture.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 I dont worry about your rude conduct. I just point it out and I guess it shames you.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See, in John 6 Jesus said that "all that the Father gives Him, He loses none and in John 17 Jesus said that He also lost none EXCEPT the son of perdition (perishing/destruction) How about that, Jesus said that he was lost.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 "doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. " The context was that Jesus was speaking to the Lord about His impeding death and about His followers of whom Judas was lost , "..so that Scripture would be fulfilled". It was not a failure of Jesus. Judas was lost from His inner circle and and he indeed did perish while the others remained. Judas was sinner as were all the apostles.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Uhhh let's see...Jesus said...it would be better for THAT MAN (betrayer) if he had not been born..yep doesn't sound like anything univeresalistic in store for Judas.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See Judas was a sinner but Jesus NEVER called the other sinners LOST either!
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 Were you never lost, were you ever or are you now a sinner? Do you have a current status that makes you a Non-sinner? Did you earn your salvation? Did Judas fail to earn forgiveness in any age? What verses say that Judas will never be forgiven for all eternity? Are you like the Pharisee that thanks God that he is not like the sinners?
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Jesus said "Of all that tghe Father gives me I lose none" Then in John 17 He concurs by saying "of all that you gave me I lost none EXCEPT THE SON OF PERDITION.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Not to mention that Jesus verbally and deliberately excluded the WORLD from His prayer in John 17 and said "I do not pray for the world but I pray for those you have given me OUT OF the world".
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 His ministry was not to the world. It was to Israel, We benefit from his gift of grace to the word but that prayer was concerning those the Father had given Him at the time and place. Thats part of the issue of context you seek to address in another verse. The issue of salvation to the world was made plain by the words of Jesus. Now you want to talk about Paul? I sure do.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See any dumb ass can do that but for those of us who have not soent several years with the language to be proficient with it's use then we use Lexical tools that guide you so that people like me don't become univeersalists because we thought we knew what we were doing when ion fact we did not.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Now to address your ignorance about John17, you didn't read the end of Jesus prayer because at the end, He includes those who would believe because of their testimony and there were MANY gentiles that came to believe because of their testimony including myself in this day...and Yes, Jesus ministry was to the world...those who believe.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Now I will happily and effectively refute your ignorant use of 1 Tim.4 that you people incessantly abuse like unresoning animals when I am ready.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 Wow. You have nothing to share with me when you have that attitude. The light of Christ does not seem to shine in you sir. Your attitude is as black as your doctrine. Its almost 5AM here and I will not waste another minute with someone spitting non sensical venom. I have already wasted my time sharing the scriptures with you. I hope you become a believer someday soon. It will be God that eventualy opens your eyes, Not I. Have the last word. Have the last 1000 for all I care.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@ShirleyCoralineJones Or uni-pukes Ha ha. Thats a new one for the petty name calling set.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
Hold on! Let me guess! "open your bible, point to the word hell and forever and call them heretics" lol, don't do any studying or research into the original texts and meanings of the words, don't use any logic and cling real tight to your tradition! :D
ShirleyCoralineJones 3 months ago
@ShirleyCoralineJones I am just about Laughing Our Loud Shirley. Good post.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
Lol. Let go of your dark age beliefs and conditioning. Your million buzzwords that keep you feeling close to "jesus" are the ones that keep you away from feeling your own energy and if you felt your own energy and listened to it, the energy of the godhead, the energy that is all, the energy that can neither be created nor destroyed only changed, you're bible world would crumble under the simplicity of true spirituality. We are all fed back into the godhead, it is our destiny as beings of energy.
afracturedskull 3 months ago
When encountering a universalist, don't make any sudden moves. They might want to hug you. Slowly back away, because they may view you as one of God's unique creations. Restore your faith by referring to one the few translations of the bible non-universalists approve of; you know the kind of bible I'm talking about. One of the few translations which actually uses the word hell. Then take comfort by knowing and believing hell is real and the universalist is a fake.
gsschoenfeld 4 months ago
How to respond? How about "Finaly someone makes sense and stays within literal translation of scriptures without adding or taking things away to help support church lies." Universalism is not a religion. Its a concept contained in scripture.and nothing else. I believe in baptism yet nobody calls me a Baptist. I believe 1 Corr 15:22 but you dont need to call me a Universalist. I am a Christian. Those who reject Universal Reconciliation preach another Gospel that is mainly Bad News for most
whiskeyfoxpix 4 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I believe in 1 Cor.15:22 as well because all who are in Christ will indeed be made alive and I also believe in 2Thes.1:8 which pertains to those who are not in Christ.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 All will be made alive in Christ just as ALL died in Adam. The two are listed as opposites to make a clear point. One death, one life. ALL is a key word. You and I are part of the ALL. That is the Good News mentioned in 2 Thes 1:8 that should not be ignored. So be careful friend... 2 Thess 1:8 AND verse 9 tell us that those who are on the earth at the time of His appearing, who don't don't know God and obey the Gospel, shall "..suffer justice -- destruction age-during.." (YLT)
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Actually the key words are "in Christ" andf unfortunately for your false doctrine, not "all" people are in Christ.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 My doctrine is the Bible. I wish you were a believer in the Gospel. Christ is the one that makes ALL alive, just as in Adam ALL died. Are any people on earth exempt from the "In Adam" part? No. Again, Adam contrasts the actions of Christ and ALL died in Adam. 1 Cor 15:22 does not say that only those in Christ are made alive. It says that "In Christ, ALL are made alive." Its an ALL inclusive statement yet some make it exclusive to "special" people. Are you special?
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Indeed, everyone born is in Adam however as the scriptures say not all are in Christ. If "all" were in Christ then "all" should have the benefits of being "in Christ" but since you ignored the fact that some people are punished even though they are supposed to be forgiven.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 You must be ignoring the fact that all suffer for sin. All receive judgement. However, NO Biblical punishment includes eternal torture. Thats a pagan myth not found in the Bible. All are forgiven the ultimate penalty of sin which was spiritual death. 1 Tim 4:10 says that "for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing". Why won't you believe?
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix 1 Tim.4:10 has nothing to do with salvation whatsoever. I'll deal with that next...come on back to Judas and Paul with the people he wished himself accursed for.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 The verse says "Savior of all men" yet we should ignore the word Salvation? Why not just retreat to church doctrine that says that he is the Savior of all the special people. Oh thats right, you ignore any scripture that doesn't fit with your church doctrine. If you see the word ALL or Savior just ignore those words or insert words to change meaning. Why would anyone who hates literal meaning want to be faithful to what was actualy written?
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix We're not talking about 1 Tim.4, we're talking about the son of perdition and the apostle Paul.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix "Salvation" is not used in that passage but you see I will apply some actual greek clarity to that passage when we get to it. The problem is that in order for 1 Tim.4 to be understood rightly, you need to reconcile verses 1 thru 16 in total.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 I am all for any full examination that uses literal language and full contextual consideration. Its important to consider exactly what was said to who and by whom. Demonstrate your knowledge of common Greek but stay within the scripture. I despise church lies that support ultimate heresy.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Well see here's the deal...you are NOT a greek expert but then neither am I. But see uni-pukes think that looking at greek is just a matter of looking up a worfd in a Lexicon and then choosing the definition that suits their needs. That's a bull in a china shop just as you all are.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See I do belive the biblical gospel as it applies to those who believe. Your "gospel" is nothing more than the same lie told by your father below in the garden..."surely you won't die..."
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 Do you even know what Good News is? Maybe you confuse it with the a bad news message that says that Jesus failed to save the world and complete His work. That the news is that somehow His failure means that special people need to save themselves by wisely choosing to become christians. Surely we all do die. ALL of us. Its Satan that says that most will be tortured ALIVE for eternity. OUR Father says that ALL die but that Death, the final enemy, will be destroyed. I believe.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Well the word of God never says that the good news is going to be good to everyone. In fact it says that it is foolishness to some and what you refuse to believe is that not "all people" are in Christ because if they were in Christ then they should have all of the things that accompany being "in Christ" such as not being appointed to wrath.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 You said: " the word of God never says that the good news is going to be good to everyone." I have already quoted you chapter and verse that shows that it does in fact say that its Good News to ALL. Can you really be that blind and have a heart that hard? Amazing..
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Nope, you never quoted any verse that says it's good news to every single person. You ripped a verse out of context from 1 Tim.4:10 that is not a salvific passage at all, now back to Judas and Paul K?
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 I showed the verses. You ignore them. I addressed your Judas question and you ignore my response because your heart is hard and your mind is set on church tradition.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix No, you showed one of your typical "I have no biblical education but I'll tell you what I was told" verses that has nothing to do with salvation.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 You show your lack of biblical education, your mean spirited hatred for the truth, and you parrot church doctrine that prefers non literal scripture to support church lies. Your quote on Judas is a good example. One last time. The writer said "the Son of Man doth indeed go, as it hath been written concerning him, but wo to that man through whom the Son of Man is delivered up! good it were for him if that man had not been born". Put your glasses on and read it at least once.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
This is crystal clear. It would have been better for HIM if that man had never been born. It does NOT say it would have been better if Judas had not been born. For OUR sake it was BEST. Without the the crucifixtion we would ALL be lost. I am sure you will just hate the truth of this literal translation becuase it destroys your arguement and your doctrine.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See you prove your flat out stupidity by implying that Jesus pronounced a "woe" upon himself for doing something that God called Good. ie going to the cross.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Really? Can you write an outline for the book of Romans? How about telling me what the predicate is in Mark 14?
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See basically you tried in a non sensical way to turn the "woe" onto Jesus which in the syntax of the verse makes no sense at all so no you didn't answer it, you twisted it. Plus there is not a commentary in existence that would concur with what you did to that passage.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 I merely use literal language. Please excuse me for prefering a faithful translation that helps us rightly divide the Word. You might want to try it sometime yourself
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Young is not a "faithful" translation. Faithful translations are done by TEAMS of accrfedited scholars not privately self taught indivduals.
megatruth45 3 months ago
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@whiskeyfoxpix "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1Cor.1:18)
How about that, I guess it's not good to everyone.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix People don't "wisley choose" anything they are divinely chosen by God. In fact, Jesus said that "all that the Father gives me will come to me..." (Jn.6) so if everyone comes to Him then A) why aren't they and B) why would Jesus say that if everyone is going to come to Him?
megatruth45 3 months ago
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whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Let's see, if Judas was labeled as "LOST" by Jesus and also called the "son of perdition" and also said to be in store for something that would be worse than being born then I'd say that that is definitely not universalism.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 You were "lost", were you not? The fact that Judas was described as the son of perdition (destruction) does not in any way demonstrate that he would be lost forever. You still ignore the scripture given? The verse says that it would have been better for Jesus if Judas had not been born. The reason is obvious but for OUR sake it was BEST. You still did not go back and read the verse? Not interested in the Bible?
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix OK lets try this again...Hmmm...Jesus said that it would have been better for him to have not been born than to betray the Son...Hmmm
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I'll also ask you again, why would the apostle Paul wish himself to be "accursed/cut off from Christ" form the sake of his kinsmen if they were going to be saved anyway?
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 Now you are making a little more sense. God chooses us, we dont choose God. The statement stands for itself. All that were called to Him did then, and ALL MUST eventualy, come to Him. None are lost, not one. Its a leap to suggest that the Father does not eventualy give all when other parts of scripture show that all will come to Him "Each in thier own turn", The Bible does not contradict itself. Jesus is the One and Only way and ALL will eventualy believe, even you.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Now if "all" is an "all inclusive statement" then why would Jesus say about Judas that it would have been better for him to have not been born? Doesn't sound like universalism was in store for Judas.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 You refer to Matt 26:24. Read it more carefully and in literal language. This is what it says: "the Son of Man doth indeed go, as it hath been written concerning him, but wo to that man through whom the Son of Man is delivered up! good it were for him if that man had not been born." Its talking about Jesus, not Judas. The commentary is that it would have been better for Jesus if Judas had not been born to betray Him. We know Judas had to play his part. Jesus CHOSE him.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Sorry, I never mentioned that passage try again
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 You refered to that scripture with the words of your post so I dont need to try again. Are you not even aware of where that came from? Dont spout words that you heard once or twice in church if you have no idea of the source. I dont want to hear your opinion or your church doctrine.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix "The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to THAT MAN by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for THAT MAN if he had never been born."
What is the predicate in this sentence?
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Jesus NEVER pronounced a "woe" upon Himself and neither did anyone else. Not to mention that Jesus said that Judas was lost yet none of the other were. Even though Peter denied Jesus, Peter was never referred to like this.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix That is the BIGGEST load of BS that you can shovel to say that it would be better for Jesus to have not been born. PU-LEEEZ...Jesus came to glorify the Father and to be glorified and in Mark 14 Jesus says "that man" meaning the one who betrays Him.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 I quoted you word for word from the Bible and you call it bullshit because it conflicts with your church doctrine. So you prefer church doctrine to the scriptures. Now its obvious where your love and loyalty lies. The verse did not say it would have been better if Jesus had not been born, READ IT AGAIN
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix You're right, it says that it would have been better that Judas was not born.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 All the apostles let Jesus down. All were sinners. If you refuse to consider that Judas can be saved as a sinner then you condemn yourself becuase you and the ones that Jesus chose were all sinners. Only sinners get saved. Judas was a sinner. Sounds like Universal Reconciliation to me.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
Sorry, WRONG AGAIN! I was talking about Mark 14 and you can also look at John 17 when Jesus is praying and He tells the Father that He has lost none except the son of perdition.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 If you look at 1 Cor 15:22 and hold to the idea that only those "In Christ" are made alive then you have twisted scripture and made it say something that it doesn't. The verse clearly says that "In Christ, ALL are made alive". I thought you were using 2 Thess 1:8 to make a case that all are made alive at judgement but that some are then sent to burn. I guess you abandoned that tact when you saw that I understood the literal meaning of the verse even though you didn't.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Actually I am certain that you don't know jack about koine greek because all of you uni-pukes recite the same crap like a bunch of robots.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 Thats it, resort to name calling when you can't defend your heresy. That makes you look even smarter.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix I love how you completely ignore all of the problems that I presented to you. I mean you didn't even touch them.
megatruth45 3 months ago
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@megatruth45 I answered each one with scripture that you ignore. I guess you are not interested in what the Bible says.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See I have all of the confidence in the world that I can prove your doctrine to be false but I also know that you like your ilk will not be brave enough or honest enough to deal with the many, many errors and contradictions that you propogate because you have invested your lives in your religion of universalism and would never worship a Soveriegn God who does as He pleases according to His will.
megatruth45 3 months ago
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@megatruth45 Your confidance is in yourself while mine is in the Word. You are still resorting to empty rhetoric becuase you dont back up anything you say. You have not shown one single error in the biblical concept of universal reconciliation. God does indeed do "All that He wills" The scripture shows that He will ALL to be saved yet you refuse Him that and prefer your church doctrine
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See, the apostle Paul knew that there were going to be people that were not saved and thus he grieved to the point of wishing himself to be "accursed" for the sake of his brethren according to the flesh (Romans 9)
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix Not to mention that if Paul thought that every single person without exception was going to be saved then he certainly wouldn't have wished himself to be "accursed" for the sake of his kinsmen according to the flesh.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix It's interesting that your channel says that true believers that oppose you use "the same old tired, out of context verses" when that's what your lying doctrine hinges on.
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 The Bible is my doctrine. Is it the Bible that you despise? You employ empty rhetoric because you have not shown me where I have strayed from literaly translated scripture. On the other hand, you have made an attempt to twist scripture to support a doctrine of demons when you quote 2 Thess 1:8 in an out of context manner that did not even serve to make your point at all.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See, YLT is garbage. You might as well tear out the pages and wipe up dog poo with it. However I wouldn't want to desecrate the poo with it.
Also, in 2 Thes., Paul uses the word "vengeance" which is not a fitting word for people who are supposed to be "in Christ" not to mention, if they are "in Christ" then why are they being punished?
megatruth45 3 months ago
@megatruth45 The YLT is garbage? Its not surprising that you would not like a literal translation. The actual words written by the original writers don't support your heresy but versions that stray from literal language are prefered by those who do not like the Good News.
whiskeyfoxpix 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix No, Young was not a reputable translator now can you please stay on track and not talk about things that were said over an hour ago?
megatruth45 3 months ago
@whiskeyfoxpix See the topic at hand is Judas who was also called the son of destruction/perdition who was also called "lost" by Jesus and also said to be better off having not been born.
megatruth45 3 months ago
Pay attention to what SwordofmanticorE says if you want to learn something.
whiskeyfoxpix 4 months ago
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@whiskeyfoxpix Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Pay no attention to what SwordofmanticorE says, he is deluded.
TheFurthertruth 4 months ago
Correction: I said "after the dross of their sin is burned away." More likely they will be taken out and given the chance to repent and accept Christ.
hoovernj 4 months ago
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hoovernj 4 months ago
@hoovernj Brother, are you saying you understand what the LoF is? If so, what is the real meaning of the second death?
SwordofManticorE 4 months ago
@SwordofManticorE By all means, tell me what the LoF really means?
gtrjunky 4 months ago
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@SwordofManticorE Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
TheFurthertruth 4 months ago
@hoovernj Please pay no attention to "SwordofMacaroni" he is a liar and a wolf.
gtrjunky 4 months ago
@hoovernj there is no rejection or acceptance of the lake of fire. we respect a person's belief in the lake of fire, should they choose.
dutrizacd 4 months ago
@SwordofManticorE Actually, your suggestion is to tuck your tail and run before you get exposed. That's what all you guys do under the guise of "not getting dragged into darkness". Funny how you guys will argue with people until they start to reveal your false doctrine with questions that you cannot answer.
ekkIesia386 5 months ago
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ekkIesia386 5 months ago
1 Col16For by Him were ALL THINGS created, that are in HEAVEN, and that are in EARTH, visible and invisible, whether they be THRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRINCIPALITIES,or POWERS:(we are told these are living beings in Ephesians6): ALL THINGS were created by Him and for Him.And He is before ALL THINGS, and by Him ALL THINGS consist.20,And having made peace THROUGH HIS BLOOD of His cross, by Him to reconcile ALL THINGS unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth or things IN HEAVEN.
jvsm1971 5 months ago
Rom5:18 As one offense led to condemnation of ALL men, so one act of righteousness leads to JUSTIFICATION and LIFE for ALL men. John 12:32 "When Iam lifted up from the earth I SHALL DRAW ALL PEOPLE TO MYSELF"....
jvsm1971 5 months ago
@jvsm1971 NOPE! Romans 4 (which comes before Romans 5) says that it is those who "have faith"...see that's the qualifier and John 12 is talking about "mankind" meaning no longer just Jews but gentiles too. It doesn't mean "every single person in all of creation". Get your head out of your ass retard!
ekkIesia386 5 months ago
@ekkIesia386 No one can have "faith" but it's given to us by the Father. hence Jesus SHALL DRAW all men. I had no power or faith or knoweldge of Jesus Christ and the power of His cross UNTIL He drew me...and "called me". So I disagree with you but thanks for your sharing what you believe.
jvsm1971 5 months ago
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ekkIesia386 5 months ago
@jvsm1971 You people need a lesson in the word "all" as it's used in Koine greek. Jesus isn't going to draw "every single person that ever walked the planet".
ekkIesia386 5 months ago
@ekkIesia386 Im not going to argue with you. I disagree with you. Take care.
jvsm1971 5 months ago
@jvsm1971 Of course not, you're entrenched in a false belief system. Paul said that the time would come when men would not put up with sound doctrine.
ekkIesia386 5 months ago
@jvsm1971 Friend, have you read the parable of the prodical son, and if you have. What is your take on it?
SwordofManticorE 4 months ago
@S :) I believe it's a picture of the unbelievers in the world (prodigal son) and believers (other brother who was full of resentment that the father would even dream of loving his returned son who deserved to be punished and bannished).The church today is so full of anger towards the unbelievers of this world and so quickly FORGET we were in deep spiriutal blindness in the very same way UNTIL Jesus called us home.Until we are ALL CALLED we are ALL BLIND.But our Father will draw us all back.
jvsm1971 4 months ago
@jvsm1971 You nailed it friend. You are being drawn to our Father more than you know. Your truth does not bring judgment or condemnation to unbelievers, it brings them peace and joy. May you continue to be blessed in the love of our Father. We will suffer insults and stoning as our brother Paul did 1900 years ago, but He (God) has intrusted us with His wisdom, so lets use it to do good together.
SwordofManticorE 4 months ago
@SwordofManticorE you made me cry brother. Thank you for encouraging my heart today, because recently I was called a heretic and that my doctrine was satanic and this believer even questioned my salvation. It hurt me so deeply because this person is EXTREMEMLY well known and loved on YT and of all the people, I was so so hurt by what they said to me. I was so amazed he even questioned my salavation. Love you and see you soon,for our Lord is soon to take us HOME.Your sister in Christ, Jessica.
jvsm1971 4 months ago
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Rom5:18 As one offense led to condemnation of ALL men, so one act of righteousness leads to JUSTIFICATION and LIFE for ALL men. John 12:32 "When Iam lifted up from the earth I SHALL DRAW ALL PEOPLE TO MYSELF"
jvsm1971 5 months ago
@longs2bfree WRONG. It does indeed support eternal punishment.
ekkIesia386 5 months ago
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The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God’s love & mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn’t translate to the afterlife? God will still judge but He will not punish forever. He’s a better father than we are, right?
1 Tim 4:10 This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
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whatthehellbook 5 months ago
stand up against anti christ hollywood and zionist christian muslim and non zionist jew haters......this is the western world they dont want. ..they love jesus........we love jesus get out of his way.............please....................foind out who hates jesus that is your enemy...i pray god kills them he tells us not to......i am waitin to see them fall on the news b they jew christian budda muslim all who love killin let them b killed.....and the ones who love life and peace survive...
IwasaBushfan 5 months ago
judgement is ongiong......people dont get away with sin they are paraniod and lost all along.....research personality disorders ect...u dip your hell doctrine or their sin is why they split not universalism....and dude in which 18 countries have men kept porn illegal for god until 2011? wasnt u american men for sure u to buisy judgin for god.....and demons ran free here......in the usa.....get buisy on somethin u can do somethin about instead of interpitin god for us..........good grief.....
IwasaBushfan 5 months ago
straw man much?
Unclesamslair 5 months ago