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This is how an antimormon speaks and he says J.S was a con man and he is in Christ
The Pentagram came out of Babylon. It is seen on their symbol. I represent the Proto Unholy Pagan Trinity, The Father, that is Nimbrod, Nimbrod in Greek. The Pagan unholy trinity is The Father, Mother, and Son, i.e. Nimrod, Semeramis, and Tammuz. Other Cultures have their version and many esoteric meaning. Babylon the head center of all evil magic that is good or bad, overall evil.
In 1929 the skeleton of a mastodon was found in Ecuador. Evidently killed by Indians, a circle of fires had been built around the body for convenient roasting of the flesh. A landslide covered the site, which also included broken painted pottery and artifacts. This remarkable find was dated at the beginning of the Christian era (Scott, 1962, p.261).
@mollymu1 You obviously havent read about all the evil disgusting blood atonement acts that your Prophet Brigham Young did. You are completely blind and you arent doing work for the kingdom of God.
And where did the Mason's get their symbols? Oh that's right the Jews, specifically those working on Solomon's temple, excuse me, the Lord's temple...Solomon was just an instrument, like all other men chosen by God. So since the Mason's stole it from the Jews, the Chosen people of God, why is it a bad thing that Mormon's use it as well? Shouldn't all religions be using these symbols? Or do other religions hate the Jews that much? As far as I know, Mormons are huge supporters of Israel.
@coatlicue2012 Did you know that these symbols emerged with speculative Freemasonry in the 14th century, and wasn't part of operational Freemasonry. Even Mormon apologists admit, after studying minutes of old lodge records, that the symbolism of speculative FreeMasonry is not of ancient origin.
The funny thing is, both of us is correct however the man in the video needs to read up more on Christain History. I thought you were going to support him, by all means explain to me how is this masonry.
Hey did you know that in the American Flag that we have inverted stars on each odd row, does that mean we were founded as a mason nation. Someone please kindly tell this guy to GTFO...
Where, Why, and How should I know that you actually got it from my church doctorine besides some bias stuff you found on the internet. Also, that makes not sense he had seen Christ in the Sacred Grove. Once again, your church is just like any other church in Detroit or perhaps the world. If he saw Christ why did he reject the existence of him.
@megathai It was originally built in the 1840's but was destroyed after the Mormons abandoned the town. Due to the publicity and photos regarding this new temple many people have asked about the symbols on the building, Have you ask your bishop if Jose practiced Poly or not?
@Chinaculiacan I will ask him on the sabbath, read DC 124:42 Revelation 22:16
Connections between the pentagram and Christianity are many It adorned jewelry, amulets, and battle attire of early Christians, especially before the cross was introduced. This was not only because the pentagram was associated with the five wounds of Christ, but also because it could be drawn in a single stroke, through one continuous movement of a pen, representing beginning and end (Alpha and Omega) as one.
@megathai Christ did not come 2 establish a church, He came 2 establish a kingdom! John 18:35-37, Yeshua declared he is a king and his kingdom is not of this world. 2 the present writer, the evidence of the Mormon prophet's reaction to the anti-Masonic disturbance is as clear n conclusive in the Book of Mormon, as is that which points out, beyond controversy, the region in which that book was produced, n establishes the character of the religious,
@megathai educational n social conditions which constituted the environment of Joseph Smith. (Mormonism n Masonry, Salt Lake City, 1961, pp. 8-9) PERFECT CHURCH? R U 4 REAL? read where your church comes from, I suggest you do that.
@Chinaculiacan 2 months and that is all you can come up with... How disappointing? Not to mention you got a book from 1961, lolz... I would like something a little more, you know.... REVEVELNT! That alone still does not throughly explain the connection of masonry and mormonism. FYI: Manory has been around for the bible times... Ever heard of this motto "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.", now it's "Duty, Honor, Trust" Masons found America and had nothing to do with us.
@megathai You were in your fathers sack dude! lolTo understand the symbols one must first know something of Joseph Smith's involvement with Freemasonry. Joseph's brother, Hyrum, had been a Mason since the 1820's. Many other members of the LDS church, like Brigham Young, were Masons before they joined Mormonism. In the spring of 2002 the LDS Church completed its reconstruction of the Nauvoo Temple in Illinois
@megathai It was originally built in the 1840's but was destroyed after the Mormons abandoned the town. Due to the publicity and photos regarding this new temple many people have asked about the symbols on the building.
@Chinaculiacan 1826 That is when freemasonry died long ago... The last rements of the fraternity was a welfare agency for the poor. All the ties to mormonism is... *Poof*
@Chinaculiacan Lol what are you talking about? Ever heard of the court case back then... If not you need to do some research. The freemasons died do to a court case of the murder of a man that coheriently exposed to the public that following year. When the case was won, the freemasons felt betrayed by their own ideals and detroyed itself. This happened 1826 and word spread to smith in Ohio 1836, when it became national.
@megathai The Masons claimed that there ceremonies went back to "ANCIENT" times (Masonry Exposed, page 68). The Book of Mormon quotes Giddianhi (an evil man) as saying: And behold, I am Giddianhi; and I am the governor of this the secret society of Gadianton; which society and the works thereof I know to be good; and they are of ANCIENT date and they have been handed down unto us."3 Nephi 3:9) In the Masonic ritual the candidate has "a rope called a Cable-tow round his neck"
@Chinaculiacan Let's clarify, if you think masons are bad people... You will need to go back to preschool, period. For what I am going to tell you next.
@megathai SECRET COMBINATION to destroy liberty and religion, . . ." (Palmyra Freeman, November 10, 1829) Now, when we look at the Book of Mormon we see that it is filled with references to secret societies. The Jaredites "formed a secret combination" (Ether 8:18), and the Nephites and Lamanites had a "secret band" (Helaman 8:28) known as the Gadianton robbers. Furthermore, the Book of Mormon warns the American people that a "secret combination"
@megathai SECRET COMBINATION to destroy liberty and religion, . . ." (Palmyra Freeman, November 10, 1829) Now, when we look at the Book of Mormon we see that it is filled with references to secret societies. The Jaredites "formed a secret combination" (Ether 8:18), and the Nephites and Lamanites had a "secret band" (Helaman 8:28) known as the Gadianton robbers. Furthermore, the Book of Mormon warns the American people that a "secret combination"
@megathai ? "Principal Sojourner—By the words, sign, and word of exhortation of the Master of the Second Veil. "Master of Third Veil—Give them. "Principal Sojourner—Shem, Japeth and Adoniram. [Thrusts his hand into his bosom as Master of Second Veil had done.] "Master of Third Veil—They are right. You can enter the Third Veil. "The candidates enter. (Richardson's Monitor of Free-Masonry, pages 76-77) THIS IS MORMONISM, NOW TAKE A LOOK AT MANSONARY
@megathai (Ether 9:24) would be among them In the Book of Mormon, Ether 8:14, we read: "And it came to pass that they all sware unto him, by the God of heaven, and also by the heavens, and also by the earth, and BY THEIR HEADS, that whoso should vary from the assistance which Akish desired should lose his head; and whoso should divulge whatsoever thing Akish made known unto them, the same should lose his life." After all these, you'll be blind as a bat! JESUS IS COMING JOSE IS NOOOOOOOOOOT
"Principal Sojourner—Companions, we will pass on, and make and alarm at the Third Veil. [Stamps nine times.] "Master of the Third Veil—Who comes there? Who dare approach this Third Veil of our sacred Tabernacle? "Principal Sojourner—Three weary sojourners from Babylon, who have come to assist in the rebuilding of the house of the Lord, without the hope of fee or reward. "Master of Third Veil—How do you expect to enter? (CONTINUE)
"The candidate is now taken to one of the openings between the pillars by one of the Temple workers, who gives three raps with a mallet on the pillar. The Lord parts the veil slightly and asks what is wanted. "Temple Worker—'The man Adam having been true and faithful in all things now desires to converse with the Lord through the veil.' "Lord—'See that his garments are properly marked, present him at the veil, and his request shall be granted.
@megathai Attendants or Temple workers prompt the candidate in his answers and grips. "The Endowee is then taken to the opening by the attendant, who gives three more raps with the mallet "Lord—'What is wanted? "Attendant—'Adam, having conversed with the Lord through the veil, now desires to enter his presence. "Lord—'Admit him.' "As he says this he extends his hand and welcomes the candidate into the Glory room."(Temple Mormonism, page 22) READ CAREFULLY DUDE!
@megathai You are involved in a man made religion, where a man used the name of the Lord to get what he wanted. Lots of sex, fame and other things, but hey! you keep believing and maybe you'll joined Joseph where ever he is LOL
@Chinaculiacan Wow. You don't listen, masonry was dead long before the church was actually established. Also, if you think masons are bad you have some serious problems for they formed america.
@megathai Masons are satanic, "When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands."
@blackheartsbirth Excuse me, who are you? You sound so brainwashed about the occult, it makes my nephew laugh. So I know you cannot handle me, unless you know the difference between Masons and Satanists.
@megathai suck a cock, here's a hint, the hexagram has satanic origins as well (aka the star of david) Fucking learn history of symbolism before you show how retarded you are
@blackheartsbirth Oh wow, nice job making yourself sound intelligent by using curse words. "the hexagram has satanic origins as well (aka the star of david)" Every Hebrew on the planet should smack you for that statement.
The Star tetrahendron has no satanic orgins regardless on what book you can cite. (It's common sense the Hebrew Religon predates Christainity and Christainty itself predates Satanism.) I see that you are mad, get over it you have been learned :D
@megathai (Freemasonry Exposed, page 18). In the Book of Mormon 3 Nephi 26:22, we read: "And there are also secret combinations. according to the combinations of the devil, and he leadeth them by the neck with a flaxen cord. In their ceremonies the Masons wore "A LAMBSKIN or white apron" (Freemasonry Exposed, page 24). According to 3 Nephi 3:7, the Gadianton robbers wore "A LAMBSKIN about their loins" (3 Nephi 4:7). YOUIR OWN BOOK HAS MANSORY! I NO WHAT U R GOING 2 DO! U'LL BRING THE BIBLE. LOL
@Chinaculiacan (Use mention fallacy) Look it up, by the way! Is that all you can come up with. You are just using the Use Mention Fallacy. That's all, very illogical I say so myself. Nevertheless, freemasonry died out long before JS had a idea, everybody knows that. Strange why don't someone like you don't.
Tell me something, since when masons are considered "bad" I have no knowledge of them. But Youtubers sterotype them as such, why is that? Are they bad people, they don't seem like it so much no one has EVER presented EVIDENCE for their current-day evils. It's all rumor and speculation, for all I know (and he know) they can probably be the nicest and smartest people in the world. It saddens me that youtube discriminates people, :,( are one of those people?
By the way, what is this man talking about Masonry was never adopted by our religon anyhow. The Inverted Star is actually representing the five wounds of Christ. Masonry had nothing to do with it, the symbols were not invented by influenced by the old testament where the idealogy of temple making came from. If you look it up, the symbol was also used back in the cruades between Christainity, Islam, and Jedausim that fought over the holy land of Jerusalem!
@megathai The star of you are talking about in Jerusalem is the star of David. This mas used to be a Mormon, for 40 years, maybe you sould give him a call and talk to him a little.
Wow! that's depressing, it's called confidentice. The fact that God sees you as filthy rags besides beautiful creations is really messed up. Alma Chapter 5, I believe that I am clean for I was baptized in the name of the lord and why can't someone like you be clean.
@megathai You don't understand the scriptures and God, He said that so that u'll see, that no matter what u do, u'll never impress God. He wants ur heart and submission to understand that his God, and his the only one who forgives and cleans ur sins, U understand?
@Chinaculiacan Lolz you believe this man speaks the truth, than you are no more of a fool than me when you talked about JS. This guy "knowledge" is bias, no proof, no evidence, heck he don't even look or sound presentable. He is just a vloger, nothing more nothing less.
@megathai I knew u were gone say that! "his not presentable" bcuz u Mormons think that wearing a tie and all u make urself look good b4 God, once again, ur outer aperience means more than what God thinks of you.
@Chinaculiacan It's called "Decorum" meaning for fitting in, you think that if this man has the ordatisity to challenge mormonism he would at least try to look less of 1960s hippie. Also, prove to me he is speaking the truth. How can we be connected with masonry, if ancient christains adopted the inverted pentagram as a sign for the 5 wounds of Jesus Christ.
@megathai Is the start of David once again. Again do your research who this man is, call the show and talk to him. 801 973-8820. Tuesdays at 8:00 Utah time.
@megathai The Star of David is the one I'm refering to, the one you think is in your tample. But is not the star of David. To understand the symbols one must first know something of Joseph Smith's involvement with Freemasonry. Joseph's brother, Hyrum, had been a Mason since the 1820's. Many other members of the LDS church, like Brigham Young, were Masons before they joined Mormonism. In the spring of 2002 the LDS Church completed its reconstruction of the Nauvoo Temple in Illinois.
@Chinaculiacan Oh Wow, who changed the channel to Fox News. You sound like them,making statements without evidence. It's pretty obvisious that they were all christains looking for the true church. Of course, he read the entire bible and believed in God. It's stuff like that makes me laugh, why do people laugh at anti-mormons. For they make wild accusations like masonry, I told you 3 times do you listen at all. The temple is from the old testament, not masonry look it up (1 kings chapter 6)
By how you type such illgoical comments, it is as if you can't handle the fire that burns in all of us. However burns brightest and hottest in the hearts of those of the latter-day saints. Amen!
@Chinaculiacan I say unto you, can ye look up to God at that day with a pure heart and clean hands? I say unto you, can you look up, having the aimage of God engraven upon your countenances?
@megathai This is your heart and mine. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately WICKED: who can know it? only God dude, not you.
@megathai And u add this for what? to contradict the word of God, and some how try to prove that ur book is the most acurate one? Think what i posted. God knows what u r going to think b4 u think it.
@Chinaculiacan It's not my fault the word of God contradicts itself like Shakespeare's plays. By the way, those scriptures you mentioned about your church applies to all Christains. What makes your church any different from the one down my street.
@megathai So does your book. This is what it book of Mormon says: For I know that God is not partial God, neither a changeable being, but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity MORONI 8:18 Now, this is what J S said in 1844. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refuse that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see (Joseph Smith) 1844. Your prophet couldn't think of this one right! English is my second language, and I can understand this 1
@megathai Nope, don't want what u possess, You go before God and tell him all u possess, i'll go before God and tell him thank you for saving this sinner of a woman, this dust, but you gave me life through your son Jesus, and I was saved by his love. That;s all I possess.
@Chinaculiacan That's selfish you think, why should you pray for yourself if their are many people out there that deserve their prayers answered. I don't pray for own sins and ask forgiveness like everyone else. I pray for him for he can help those that are less fortunate that me. Like the people in the 3rd world contries, however not all prayers be answered immediately therefore that why we have to be the ones that save those poor people. "God Helps Those Who Help Themseleves"
@megathai There's not a leaf that fall off a tree without the God of heaven knowing it!, Do u think God does not know what's happening in the 3rd world country? you have to be the ones that saves those poor people? go ahead!! Isiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filtly rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the winde, have taken away us. U try to feel good about urself, and give all that u possess to God.
I maybe a boy, atleast I'm willing to admit that... If its one thing that we mormons have over mainstream christains like yourself is that we have class when are representing christ. We talk cleary, we respect each other, we sacrfice our time and money to spread the word the the gospel. When you people act so preachy and annoying like the Westboro Church. You kinda make any believers in christ feel horrible, that gives a reason why atheists say they have the truth. Scientifically and logically.
@Chinaculiacan You kinda forgot something, you were suppose to prove to me that Smith commited polygamy. There is one thing that still bothers me about your agrument.
How can I know you have weigh the evidence correctly?
How does polygamy change anything about who we are, after all Christains themsleves are the orginal polygamists?
Your previous comments tell a unique story, nevertheless we will never lie to ourseleves if we commited poloygamy we would humbly say it.
@megathai Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I.
@Chinaculiacan "We do this, we do that" Funny that how all christains talk, for we do alot of things and you sound like you are an atheist using logic, facts, and so-called evidence. When it comes down to it, you're actually proving the BoM false. If you do that can the same be said about the bible which falls under circular reasoning. The fact remains Joseph Smith done works for Christ, if that's not true could it point all the way back to the bible I like said before.
@megathai The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet. You know my daily walk and conversation. I am in the bosom of a virtuous and good peopleYEAH! MAYBE YOU'LL GET TO BOAST LIKE HE DID, AND TELLING THE WORLD THAT JESUS WAS ABANDONED BY MAN, YOU ARE STILL A FOOL FOR BELIEVING THIS MAN.
@Chinaculiacan Right! I will never ran away for how can prove that man was not a prophet when he saw Jesus Christ in the sacred Grove. I went there and felt the spirit it was too strong for someone like you to handle.
@megathai Oh how sweet!! someone like me? why? because I don't believe in your doctrine, dude the same blood that cleans you is the same blood that cleans me, but you are too holy to feel that the God of blood can clean someone like you! your selfrighteous feelings are so up ur *&^ that can't see that.
@megathai Maybe the Holy spirit will tell you, keep going there, and feel the spirit, maybe Jose will say something to you and ask you for your sister.
@megathai Dude! You still don't believe i posted your own church history! is not hearsay thing, facts, with dates, and you still haven't answer me if you have asked your bishop if jose practice poly or not!. Had done works for Cnhrist, and guess what? he boasted about it.. Another fool.
@Chinaculiacan My argument is to say without a doubt JS was a prophet and prophets are not perfect. If he did polygamy, OK still don't change that face he is still a prophet. Elijah from a earlier comment, killed 42 kids and still represented the LORD. In a nutshell
Bible = Book of Mormon = Pearl of Great Price = Doctorine and Covenants
If one is false they all are... I think for myself, go ahead shatter what I believe in for I will shatter yours.
@megathai still boy, you argued he didn't, and u r comparing the prophets to your pedophile of your prophet? please do yourself a favor, keep believing what this man said he saw, Joseph Smith was not a prophet of the Lord. (period)
@Chinaculiacan I think for myself, there were so many great works done by him, I feel sorry for you. For being so closed minded about the truth. Christ believes endless revaltions why would those stop with the bible. For I have the truth, priesthood, and modern day prophets and what you have. Probably a lame ministry that is paid lots of money while we don't get paid for a single dime.
@megathai To me?Confess to christ, evidence to our union with God 1 John 4:15. A proof that we are his saints 1 John 2:23 4:2-3. Necessary for salvation Romans 10:9-10. It insured us Christ will confess us before the father Mathew 10:32. Has to be related with the faith Romans 10:9. Consequences when no confession to God Mat 10:33. Confession was Amplified by Nathaniel 1 John 1:49. By Peter John 6:68-69 Acts 2:22-36. You keep confessing to your biship. Not to me dude!!
Also, The Journal of Discourses will not effect me in any way. Because it is not my scripture, the bible hints the existence of the book of mormon in a literary form as if that the Book of Mormon was serving as a sequel to the revalation brought by the Orginal Bible. What I mean by orginal is the hebrew version, for all we know the bible your reading right now may have some small small, yet still problems.Book of Mormon = English, Bible = Hebrew... Get Rossetta stone now to learn God's language!
Shawn, you are almost always right. The pentagram is an ancient pagan symbol. It is the obelisk (a phallic symbol) and the square (a female).. The masons morphed the symbols into their tools, the square and the compass. The upside down star then becomes a symbol of sexual intimacy. They are indeed Satanic, and used universally by Satanic cults such as Masons and many versions of mysticism such as Kabbalah.
@megathai Mormon, the people who would really want a relationship with Jesus will look at your temple man, and will think twice about joining your church, I know I did. But sadly some people won't, and they'll be suck in to this church and all the rules and rules to come to Jesus. How’s are your temple garments. I'm the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. Courtesy of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
@Chinaculiacan Basically, you are saying "Oh, gosh those symbols don't look really christain-like so I am going to assume they are bad." Just, how low can your emotional IQ can be? "Never judge a book by its cover..." people say :)
@Chinaculiacan I've heard that excuse of a phrase. Your temple speaks of what the doctrine says, just like a person speaks of what the heart is full of.
@Chinaculiacan This genious in the video has no clue of what he is talking about. At least get a shave and look like a an professional. BTW Did you know that cathloics use the same symbols like in this blog...
@megathai He's not a Mormon because he found Jesus, and his bandage were no more, No more tithing, no more temple garments, no more this no more that, to come closer to God. I know u get the point.
@Chinaculiacan So you think that he came closer just by doing what... I came closer to Chirst, Father, and the Holy Ghost by doing all my priesthood duties, living the standards, and reading my scriptures. Basically, by leaving a church built to bring people closer to Christ, made him closer to Christ. I'm sorry, but that's perfectly illogical... Would you care to explain?
@megathai 1 Timo 2;5 For there is one and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Acts 4:12. I laugh at your selfrighteous duties, Jesus is the HIgh Priest, Jesus made that way for you to come closer to God, not you, with your priesthoods duties, living the standards, n reading scriptures, that comes after you come closer to Jesus, not to come closer 2 him. 2 timo 2:6. Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ hesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ
@megathai 14, For he himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abloshied in his flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in himself one new man from the two thus making peace. Keep reading until 18. Acts 9:15. 12:24. 8:6. If you say u read the scriptures, read these ones really good, and maybe u'll realized that coming closer to God doesn't involved doing this n that n that. Get it?
@megathai A church build to bring people closer to Christ? We are the temple, 1 Corint 3:16 2 Corin6:16, Ephesi 2:20-22. Keep reading, and understand something, when u come before God, he'll tell u, I sent my son so that we could have a relantionship, I sent him so that u would be free to come to me, i sent him so that you would be free, my son ripped the veil so that u could come freely, but u would say, God i did my priesthood duties, i lived the standards, i read the scriptures.
@megathai He'll say to you, you fool, my son wasn't enough? His sacrifice wasn't enough so that u wanted to impress me with all your duties? Your tithing? And all you wanted to do to come closer to me? When I sent my son it was to make a way, Jesus is the way, His the way to the father, and to give you life, Jesus is eternal life, and the truth, and the truth shall set you FREE. Keep reading, Deuto 5:5 Ga 3:19. You keep doing what u r doing, n when u feel is enogh, stop.
@Chinaculiacan Wake Up, what are you trying to prove? Using the bible as a means to support your agrument because it's pointless. Even the bible supports mormon beilefs, Check:
@megathai So did Satan used the bible! what are you trying to prove? that u r a Christian? lol. Look for a map in your book, and if can find the cities mentioned there, feel good about yourself. Try to find a world setting for it, and feel even better about yourself, your book has pieces from the bible, Joe used the bible. but forgot to use, 1
@Chinaculiacan Happy Past fourth of July, after all! :)... My point is that God created mormons, if you're angry about it. why don't you read and pray about thy scriptures. The bible hints the existence of the nephites as a people with another scripture that will be later revealed. Check the scriptures in the previous comment I left you. Mormons are awesome people, why do we exist blame God and his Son Jesus Christ. Amen.
@megathai Happy Past One!! OMG, you know I've had my discussion with Mormons, but when it comes 2 you, I've never meet a Mormon as blind as u! God created People, Not Mormons idiot! Angry 4 what?
@megathai (Joseph Smith) Journal of Discourses, Vol 6, p 120; God has a form of a man (Joseph Smith Journal of Discourses, vol 6, p. 3. “Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man,” Romans 1:22-23 If you ask me if i'm angry! I'm angry at this stupidity you blind! The bible sure tells me you are not a mormon, but a Morron for believing this stupdity, Oh the bible says u exist alright!! Hahahahahahahaha
@Chinaculiacan How do you know I am not a mormon, you actually fell into my trap. Lol check my scriptures already and reply the truth shall set you free.
@megathai Oh G, how smart!! I'm scared now!! LOL. I have told many things, and one of the many had been that u are a Mormon Morron. I've checked your scriptures, and all i can tell you is that all of you take Gods word out on context to prove something that is simply not there!!
@megathai I can go on until the second coming of Jesus, but is meaningless!! You are blind as a bat! and proud to belong to a church with a number!! Let me tell you who set me free!! Jesus Christ of Nazareth, set me free and free indeed!! No church, no organization you Morron!!
@Chinaculiacan Tell me, is the journal of discourses important. Nope, because it is not part of mormon doctorine. Also, why does the bible hint the existence of the nephites. They are a people of Jerusalem as in the Book of Mormon.
@megathai Is not part of the Mormon doctrine? (Brigham Young) From the day that the priesthood was take from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith Junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are, I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. Journal of Discourses 7:289 also cited in ensign, June 1994. You are as stupid as it gets!
@megathai There's no fact you poor thing!! You gave me a verse and checked it, I told you what it meant, but you all lds like sound like a broken disc. lol. Hey!! Repeat after me, I know i know i know i know i know. lol
@megathai Really? i just love Accuracy in time. The footnote of the book of Mormon, suggested that the lenamites exterminations of the Nephites took place around 400 AD, yet it left no archeological evidence, by contrast, a much smaller battler that happened a century earlier in the 1st century AD. In Palestine, demonstrates what one can expect to find, if the battle like the one describes in the book of Mormon had really accrued. Yeah right? again repeat after me. I know i know i know i know.
@Chinaculiacan After all, Their are remains of 16 Alleles within the Native Americans that trace back to Mesopotamia. If you know your world history, that would occur around the first generation of nephites. (609–600 BC)
@megathai Only 16? oh please!! Duce stop please!! Because as bad as you try to make look here, I feel sorry for you, HIstory that (would), You poor thing!!
I just thought about something, Joseph Smith did a modern day mircale before when a old lady had a broken arm. In the fireplace with the 12 apostles of the church before him. He got up and healed the lady's arm. At kirtland Ohio, at the Johnson's house where he and his only wife Anna Smith stayed. If the prophet was not a prophet why was he able to heal Ms. Johnson's arm?
@megathai You moron!! No prophet heals, it God who does the work, but you are so in love with a so call prophet than with God that you can't see that.
@megathai Nothing escapes God. Joseph Smith heal? than put your trust in Jose, put your salvation in Jose, put your family in Jose, put your money in Jose, put your SOUL in Jose, and when you stand before the Father, he'll say, apart from me i never knew you!! why? because your world spined around Jose, go ahead you blind it will cost you your soul. Very expensive price 4 believing in a man whose lust was beyong his believes, but he conquered it, he got many wives. Go ahead, believe in this man.
@Chinaculiacan Listen, why are you going way over the top! Joseph Smith was a good man, however he is not on the Godhead. You know The Holy Trinity; Heavenly Father his Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost.
@megathai Let me tell you what the Word of God says about a good man, and read it, if you don't believe me. Mathew 19:17. Have the Holy Ghost direct you when it comes to Jose, and read Gods word in the process, maybe God will chose to open your eyes, because at this point, you are so blind, from all your years in the church that Concrete is in your eyes and can't see.
@megathai Heber Chase Kimball (June 14, 1801 – June 22, 1868) was a leader in the early Latter Day Saint movement. He served as one of the original twelve apostles in the early Latter Day Saint church, and as first counselor to Brigham Young in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 1847 until his death.. ??????? and? they were still wicked you Tonto!!
@megathai But hey, your prophet used the bible, but he forgot to use 1 Timothy 3:2. I think we've being through this!! But it doesn't matter right what God said in his word? right? because you'll end up saying I know I now i know i know i know!! Dont you get tired of that?
@megathai Josephine Lyon, daughter of Sylvia Sessions Lyon, Feb 1842 age 23 already married to Windsor Lyon, and daughter of so called prophet Joseph Smith. Search it. The Holy spirit lives in me, i'm the tample. You keep believing this man..Just remember that one day someone told you, you were gone end up in Hell just like joseph.
"No such thing as polygamy, or spiritual wifery, was taught, publicly or privately, before my husband's death, that I have now, or ever had any knowledge of...He had no other wife but me; nor did he to my knowledge ever have"
For two months, from March to May, Joseph appears to have talked with Emma about plural marriage. He apparently used their rides together to teach her the necessity of the endowment and sealing. There is no evidence that she ever opposed him on any doctrine but plural marriage. Convinced that it was necessary for her salvation and essential to their continued relationship, she may have decided to compromise with Joseph.
@megathai In May 1843 she finally agreed to give Joseph other wives if she could choose them .Emma chose the two sets of sisters then living in her house, Emily and Eliza Partridge and Sarah and Maria Lawrence. Emily Dow Partridge told how she and her sister were married without Emma's knowledge and then were remarried to Smith later with Emma's consent: The Prophet Joseph and his wife Emma offered us a home in their family, and they treated us with great kindness.
@megathai We had been there about a year when the principle of plural marriage was made known to us, and I was married to Joseph Smith on the 4th of March 1843, Elder Heber C. Kimball performing the ceremony. My sister Eliza was also married to Joseph a few days later. This was done without the knowledge of Emma Smith. Two months afterward she consented to give her husband two wives, providing he would give her the privilege of choosing them.
@megathai She accordingly chose my sister Eliza and myself, and to save family trouble Brother Joseph thought it best to have another ceremony performed. Accordingly on the 11th of May, 1843, we were sealed to Joseph Smith a second time, in Emma's presence. From that very hour, however, Emma was our bitter enemy. We remained in the family several months after this, but things went from bad to worse until we were obligated to leave the house and find another home
@megathai (Historical Record, edited by Andrew Jenson, vol. 6, 1887, p. 240). Check your own history boy, and stop making excuses for your beliefs, because that's all you are doing, (excuses) get to know your church and your prophet and ask yourself what are believing and who are you believing and puting your salvation into a mans testomony, he was able to cheat, lied, killed among other things, and ask yourself! but from this point, I believe you are hopeless fool and are beyong help!!
@megathai According to Todd Compton, Joseph Smith married at least twenty-seven plural wives between 1833 and July 12, 1843 (see In Sacred Loneliness, pp. 4-6). These were all before Joseph committed his revelation to paper. For example, the Partridge sisters were married to Smith in March of 1843. In July of 1843 Joseph's brother, Hyrum, believed he could convince Emma of the truthfulness polygamy and suggested Smith commit the revelation to paper. Joseph's secretary, William Clayton recorded.
the beehive is a symbol of SLAVERY! the bee cant live without the Pheremones of the QUEEN. Desert industries uses this symbol.
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This is how an antimormon speaks and he says J.S was a con man and he is in Christ
dorisfenella 1 month ago
The Pentagram came out of Babylon. It is seen on their symbol. I represent the Proto Unholy Pagan Trinity, The Father, that is Nimbrod, Nimbrod in Greek. The Pagan unholy trinity is The Father, Mother, and Son, i.e. Nimrod, Semeramis, and Tammuz. Other Cultures have their version and many esoteric meaning. Babylon the head center of all evil magic that is good or bad, overall evil.
february17able 2 months ago
In 1929 the skeleton of a mastodon was found in Ecuador. Evidently killed by Indians, a circle of fires had been built around the body for convenient roasting of the flesh. A landslide covered the site, which also included broken painted pottery and artifacts. This remarkable find was dated at the beginning of the Christian era (Scott, 1962, p.261).
mollymu1 6 months ago
Feel sorry for this guy . He would of been so much happier to of been born back in the 1800's so he could of been in the mobs.
mollymu1 6 months ago
@mollymu1 You obviously havent read about all the evil disgusting blood atonement acts that your Prophet Brigham Young did. You are completely blind and you arent doing work for the kingdom of God.
TheSoulamore 6 months ago
And where did the Mason's get their symbols? Oh that's right the Jews, specifically those working on Solomon's temple, excuse me, the Lord's temple...Solomon was just an instrument, like all other men chosen by God. So since the Mason's stole it from the Jews, the Chosen people of God, why is it a bad thing that Mormon's use it as well? Shouldn't all religions be using these symbols? Or do other religions hate the Jews that much? As far as I know, Mormons are huge supporters of Israel.
coatlicue2012 7 months ago
@coatlicue2012 Did you know that these symbols emerged with speculative Freemasonry in the 14th century, and wasn't part of operational Freemasonry. Even Mormon apologists admit, after studying minutes of old lodge records, that the symbolism of speculative FreeMasonry is not of ancient origin.
eeikman 7 months ago
You = Star of David
Me= Five wounds of Christ
Bias old man= Masonry
The funny thing is, both of us is correct however the man in the video needs to read up more on Christain History. I thought you were going to support him, by all means explain to me how is this masonry.
megathai 7 months ago
Hey did you know that in the American Flag that we have inverted stars on each odd row, does that mean we were founded as a mason nation. Someone please kindly tell this guy to GTFO...
megathai 7 months ago
Where, Why, and How should I know that you actually got it from my church doctorine besides some bias stuff you found on the internet. Also, that makes not sense he had seen Christ in the Sacred Grove. Once again, your church is just like any other church in Detroit or perhaps the world. If he saw Christ why did he reject the existence of him.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai It was originally built in the 1840's but was destroyed after the Mormons abandoned the town. Due to the publicity and photos regarding this new temple many people have asked about the symbols on the building, Have you ask your bishop if Jose practiced Poly or not?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I will ask him on the sabbath, read DC 124:42 Revelation 22:16
Connections between the pentagram and Christianity are many It adorned jewelry, amulets, and battle attire of early Christians, especially before the cross was introduced. This was not only because the pentagram was associated with the five wounds of Christ, but also because it could be drawn in a single stroke, through one continuous movement of a pen, representing beginning and end (Alpha and Omega) as one.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai You haven't done your research in who Jose was, have you?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Gee, would you care to enlighten me on how you get Freemasonry to Creating the perfect church of Jesus Christ.
I would love to know... (If you can anway)
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Christ did not come 2 establish a church, He came 2 establish a kingdom! John 18:35-37, Yeshua declared he is a king and his kingdom is not of this world. 2 the present writer, the evidence of the Mormon prophet's reaction to the anti-Masonic disturbance is as clear n conclusive in the Book of Mormon, as is that which points out, beyond controversy, the region in which that book was produced, n establishes the character of the religious,
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai educational n social conditions which constituted the environment of Joseph Smith. (Mormonism n Masonry, Salt Lake City, 1961, pp. 8-9) PERFECT CHURCH? R U 4 REAL? read where your church comes from, I suggest you do that.
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan 2 months and that is all you can come up with... How disappointing? Not to mention you got a book from 1961, lolz... I would like something a little more, you know.... REVEVELNT! That alone still does not throughly explain the connection of masonry and mormonism. FYI: Manory has been around for the bible times... Ever heard of this motto "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.", now it's "Duty, Honor, Trust" Masons found America and had nothing to do with us.
megathai 5 months ago
@megathai Us? dude you still in your fathers in when all of this happened!
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan ? Please explain
megathai 5 months ago
@megathai You were in your fathers sack dude! lolTo understand the symbols one must first know something of Joseph Smith's involvement with Freemasonry. Joseph's brother, Hyrum, had been a Mason since the 1820's. Many other members of the LDS church, like Brigham Young, were Masons before they joined Mormonism. In the spring of 2002 the LDS Church completed its reconstruction of the Nauvoo Temple in Illinois
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai It was originally built in the 1840's but was destroyed after the Mormons abandoned the town. Due to the publicity and photos regarding this new temple many people have asked about the symbols on the building.
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan 1826 That is when freemasonry died long ago... The last rements of the fraternity was a welfare agency for the poor. All the ties to mormonism is... *Poof*
megathai 5 months ago
@megathai You can't avoid your history, no matter what excuse you come up with!!
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Lol what are you talking about? Ever heard of the court case back then... If not you need to do some research. The freemasons died do to a court case of the murder of a man that coheriently exposed to the public that following year. When the case was won, the freemasons felt betrayed by their own ideals and detroyed itself. This happened 1826 and word spread to smith in Ohio 1836, when it became national.
megathai 5 months ago
@megathai The Masons claimed that there ceremonies went back to "ANCIENT" times (Masonry Exposed, page 68). The Book of Mormon quotes Giddianhi (an evil man) as saying: And behold, I am Giddianhi; and I am the governor of this the secret society of Gadianton; which society and the works thereof I know to be good; and they are of ANCIENT date and they have been handed down unto us."3 Nephi 3:9) In the Masonic ritual the candidate has "a rope called a Cable-tow round his neck"
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Let's clarify, if you think masons are bad people... You will need to go back to preschool, period. For what I am going to tell you next.
megathai 5 months ago
@megathai And what are you going to do next? shake my hand to see if i'ma demon? lol
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Masons are awesome people, they found america!!!
megathai 5 months ago
@megathai SECRET COMBINATION to destroy liberty and religion, . . ." (Palmyra Freeman, November 10, 1829) Now, when we look at the Book of Mormon we see that it is filled with references to secret societies. The Jaredites "formed a secret combination" (Ether 8:18), and the Nephites and Lamanites had a "secret band" (Helaman 8:28) known as the Gadianton robbers. Furthermore, the Book of Mormon warns the American people that a "secret combination"
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
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@megathai SECRET COMBINATION to destroy liberty and religion, . . ." (Palmyra Freeman, November 10, 1829) Now, when we look at the Book of Mormon we see that it is filled with references to secret societies. The Jaredites "formed a secret combination" (Ether 8:18), and the Nephites and Lamanites had a "secret band" (Helaman 8:28) known as the Gadianton robbers. Furthermore, the Book of Mormon warns the American people that a "secret combination"
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai ? "Principal Sojourner—By the words, sign, and word of exhortation of the Master of the Second Veil. "Master of Third Veil—Give them. "Principal Sojourner—Shem, Japeth and Adoniram. [Thrusts his hand into his bosom as Master of Second Veil had done.] "Master of Third Veil—They are right. You can enter the Third Veil. "The candidates enter. (Richardson's Monitor of Free-Masonry, pages 76-77) THIS IS MORMONISM, NOW TAKE A LOOK AT MANSONARY
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai (Ether 9:24) would be among them In the Book of Mormon, Ether 8:14, we read: "And it came to pass that they all sware unto him, by the God of heaven, and also by the heavens, and also by the earth, and BY THEIR HEADS, that whoso should vary from the assistance which Akish desired should lose his head; and whoso should divulge whatsoever thing Akish made known unto them, the same should lose his life." After all these, you'll be blind as a bat! JESUS IS COMING JOSE IS NOOOOOOOOOOT
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai MANSON
"Principal Sojourner—Companions, we will pass on, and make and alarm at the Third Veil. [Stamps nine times.] "Master of the Third Veil—Who comes there? Who dare approach this Third Veil of our sacred Tabernacle? "Principal Sojourner—Three weary sojourners from Babylon, who have come to assist in the rebuilding of the house of the Lord, without the hope of fee or reward. "Master of Third Veil—How do you expect to enter? (CONTINUE)
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai MORMONISM
"The candidate is now taken to one of the openings between the pillars by one of the Temple workers, who gives three raps with a mallet on the pillar. The Lord parts the veil slightly and asks what is wanted. "Temple Worker—'The man Adam having been true and faithful in all things now desires to converse with the Lord through the veil.' "Lord—'See that his garments are properly marked, present him at the veil, and his request shall be granted.
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai Attendants or Temple workers prompt the candidate in his answers and grips. "The Endowee is then taken to the opening by the attendant, who gives three more raps with the mallet "Lord—'What is wanted? "Attendant—'Adam, having conversed with the Lord through the veil, now desires to enter his presence. "Lord—'Admit him.' "As he says this he extends his hand and welcomes the candidate into the Glory room."(Temple Mormonism, page 22) READ CAREFULLY DUDE!
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai You are involved in a man made religion, where a man used the name of the Lord to get what he wanted. Lots of sex, fame and other things, but hey! you keep believing and maybe you'll joined Joseph where ever he is LOL
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Wow. You don't listen, masonry was dead long before the church was actually established. Also, if you think masons are bad you have some serious problems for they formed america.
megathai 5 months ago
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@megathai and you don't read!!
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@megathai Masons are satanic, "When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands."
Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry pg.48
blackheartsbirth 3 months ago
@blackheartsbirth Excuse me, who are you? You sound so brainwashed about the occult, it makes my nephew laugh. So I know you cannot handle me, unless you know the difference between Masons and Satanists.
Goodday to you sir.
megathai 3 months ago
@megathai whats the difference? They both worship lucifer
blackheartsbirth 3 months ago
@blackheartsbirth Smack yourself, here is a hint. The masonry Symbol aligns perfectly with a star tetrahedron(aka the star of david).
megathai 3 months ago
@megathai suck a cock, here's a hint, the hexagram has satanic origins as well (aka the star of david) Fucking learn history of symbolism before you show how retarded you are
blackheartsbirth 3 months ago
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@blackheartsbirth Oh wow, nice job making yourself sound intelligent by using curse words. "the hexagram has satanic origins as well (aka the star of david)" Every Hebrew on the planet should smack you for that statement.
The Star tetrahendron has no satanic orgins regardless on what book you can cite. (It's common sense the Hebrew Religon predates Christainity and Christainty itself predates Satanism.) I see that you are mad, get over it you have been learned :D
Have a wonderful day sir.
megathai 1 month ago
@Chinaculiacan
what religion is not man made?
Sk8er408 3 months ago
@megathai (Freemasonry Exposed, page 18). In the Book of Mormon 3 Nephi 26:22, we read: "And there are also secret combinations. according to the combinations of the devil, and he leadeth them by the neck with a flaxen cord. In their ceremonies the Masons wore "A LAMBSKIN or white apron" (Freemasonry Exposed, page 24). According to 3 Nephi 3:7, the Gadianton robbers wore "A LAMBSKIN about their loins" (3 Nephi 4:7). YOUIR OWN BOOK HAS MANSORY! I NO WHAT U R GOING 2 DO! U'LL BRING THE BIBLE. LOL
Chinaculiacan 5 months ago
@Chinaculiacan (Use mention fallacy) Look it up, by the way! Is that all you can come up with. You are just using the Use Mention Fallacy. That's all, very illogical I say so myself. Nevertheless, freemasonry died out long before JS had a idea, everybody knows that. Strange why don't someone like you don't.
megathai 5 months ago
Tell me something, since when masons are considered "bad" I have no knowledge of them. But Youtubers sterotype them as such, why is that? Are they bad people, they don't seem like it so much no one has EVER presented EVIDENCE for their current-day evils. It's all rumor and speculation, for all I know (and he know) they can probably be the nicest and smartest people in the world. It saddens me that youtube discriminates people, :,( are one of those people?
megathai 7 months ago
By the way, what is this man talking about Masonry was never adopted by our religon anyhow. The Inverted Star is actually representing the five wounds of Christ. Masonry had nothing to do with it, the symbols were not invented by influenced by the old testament where the idealogy of temple making came from. If you look it up, the symbol was also used back in the cruades between Christainity, Islam, and Jedausim that fought over the holy land of Jerusalem!
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai The star of you are talking about in Jerusalem is the star of David. This mas used to be a Mormon, for 40 years, maybe you sould give him a call and talk to him a little.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Still don't change the fact that he is wrong, all the info he provides me is so bias he might as well be working for Fox News.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Do your research in who he is!!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
Wow! that's depressing, it's called confidentice. The fact that God sees you as filthy rags besides beautiful creations is really messed up. Alma Chapter 5, I believe that I am clean for I was baptized in the name of the lord and why can't someone like you be clean.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai You don't understand the scriptures and God, He said that so that u'll see, that no matter what u do, u'll never impress God. He wants ur heart and submission to understand that his God, and his the only one who forgives and cleans ur sins, U understand?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan That makes no sense, he never forgives...
megathai 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Lolz you believe this man speaks the truth, than you are no more of a fool than me when you talked about JS. This guy "knowledge" is bias, no proof, no evidence, heck he don't even look or sound presentable. He is just a vloger, nothing more nothing less.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai I knew u were gone say that! "his not presentable" bcuz u Mormons think that wearing a tie and all u make urself look good b4 God, once again, ur outer aperience means more than what God thinks of you.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan It's called "Decorum" meaning for fitting in, you think that if this man has the ordatisity to challenge mormonism he would at least try to look less of 1960s hippie. Also, prove to me he is speaking the truth. How can we be connected with masonry, if ancient christains adopted the inverted pentagram as a sign for the 5 wounds of Jesus Christ.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Is the start of David once again. Again do your research who this man is, call the show and talk to him. 801 973-8820. Tuesdays at 8:00 Utah time.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan If it's the star of David why the heck, is this guy saying it's a masonry symbol... *Facepalms*
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai The Star of David is the one I'm refering to, the one you think is in your tample. But is not the star of David. To understand the symbols one must first know something of Joseph Smith's involvement with Freemasonry. Joseph's brother, Hyrum, had been a Mason since the 1820's. Many other members of the LDS church, like Brigham Young, were Masons before they joined Mormonism. In the spring of 2002 the LDS Church completed its reconstruction of the Nauvoo Temple in Illinois.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Oh Wow, who changed the channel to Fox News. You sound like them,making statements without evidence. It's pretty obvisious that they were all christains looking for the true church. Of course, he read the entire bible and believed in God. It's stuff like that makes me laugh, why do people laugh at anti-mormons. For they make wild accusations like masonry, I told you 3 times do you listen at all. The temple is from the old testament, not masonry look it up (1 kings chapter 6)
megathai 7 months ago
By how you type such illgoical comments, it is as if you can't handle the fire that burns in all of us. However burns brightest and hottest in the hearts of those of the latter-day saints. Amen!
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai OH please again!! keep burning your bosom or something, have you asked your bishop?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan What? Do you feel it, you should feel it inside your heart! :D
megathai 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I say unto you, can ye look up to God at that day with a pure heart and clean hands? I say unto you, can you look up, having the aimage of God engraven upon your countenances?
Alma Chapter 5 Verse 19
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai This is your heart and mine. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately WICKED: who can know it? only God dude, not you.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Your telling me that I can't even know my own heart!
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai We think we know!! But only God knows what u r going to think before u think it.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan God does not all forgive sins
Mark 3:28-29
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai And u add this for what? to contradict the word of God, and some how try to prove that ur book is the most acurate one? Think what i posted. God knows what u r going to think b4 u think it.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan It's not my fault the word of God contradicts itself like Shakespeare's plays. By the way, those scriptures you mentioned about your church applies to all Christains. What makes your church any different from the one down my street.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai So does your book. This is what it book of Mormon says: For I know that God is not partial God, neither a changeable being, but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity MORONI 8:18 Now, this is what J S said in 1844. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refuse that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see (Joseph Smith) 1844. Your prophet couldn't think of this one right! English is my second language, and I can understand this 1
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
Yep, are you are angry that I am pro-righteous! The fire burns in Luke 3 with holy spirit which I possess.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Nope, don't want what u possess, You go before God and tell him all u possess, i'll go before God and tell him thank you for saving this sinner of a woman, this dust, but you gave me life through your son Jesus, and I was saved by his love. That;s all I possess.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan That's selfish you think, why should you pray for yourself if their are many people out there that deserve their prayers answered. I don't pray for own sins and ask forgiveness like everyone else. I pray for him for he can help those that are less fortunate that me. Like the people in the 3rd world contries, however not all prayers be answered immediately therefore that why we have to be the ones that save those poor people. "God Helps Those Who Help Themseleves"
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai There's not a leaf that fall off a tree without the God of heaven knowing it!, Do u think God does not know what's happening in the 3rd world country? you have to be the ones that saves those poor people? go ahead!! Isiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filtly rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the winde, have taken away us. U try to feel good about urself, and give all that u possess to God.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
I maybe a boy, atleast I'm willing to admit that... If its one thing that we mormons have over mainstream christains like yourself is that we have class when are representing christ. We talk cleary, we respect each other, we sacrfice our time and money to spread the word the the gospel. When you people act so preachy and annoying like the Westboro Church. You kinda make any believers in christ feel horrible, that gives a reason why atheists say they have the truth. Scientifically and logically.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Same story from every mormon, we do this we do that!! and forget to mention the most important thing! I'm a sinner saved by Gods grace.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan You kinda forgot something, you were suppose to prove to me that Smith commited polygamy. There is one thing that still bothers me about your agrument.
How can I know you have weigh the evidence correctly?
How does polygamy change anything about who we are, after all Christains themsleves are the orginal polygamists?
Your previous comments tell a unique story, nevertheless we will never lie to ourseleves if we commited poloygamy we would humbly say it.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai He didn't hide them, haven't u read my posts n ur history?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan "We do this, we do that" Funny that how all christains talk, for we do alot of things and you sound like you are an atheist using logic, facts, and so-called evidence. When it comes down to it, you're actually proving the BoM false. If you do that can the same be said about the bible which falls under circular reasoning. The fact remains Joseph Smith done works for Christ, if that's not true could it point all the way back to the bible I like said before.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet. You know my daily walk and conversation. I am in the bosom of a virtuous and good peopleYEAH! MAYBE YOU'LL GET TO BOAST LIKE HE DID, AND TELLING THE WORLD THAT JESUS WAS ABANDONED BY MAN, YOU ARE STILL A FOOL FOR BELIEVING THIS MAN.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Right! I will never ran away for how can prove that man was not a prophet when he saw Jesus Christ in the sacred Grove. I went there and felt the spirit it was too strong for someone like you to handle.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Oh how sweet!! someone like me? why? because I don't believe in your doctrine, dude the same blood that cleans you is the same blood that cleans me, but you are too holy to feel that the God of blood can clean someone like you! your selfrighteous feelings are so up ur *&^ that can't see that.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai Maybe the Holy spirit will tell you, keep going there, and feel the spirit, maybe Jose will say something to you and ask you for your sister.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
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@Chinaculiacan That can happen though, for this the true Church of Jesus Christ. I love for that to happen :D
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Dude! You still don't believe i posted your own church history! is not hearsay thing, facts, with dates, and you still haven't answer me if you have asked your bishop if jose practice poly or not!. Had done works for Cnhrist, and guess what? he boasted about it.. Another fool.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I will ask my bishop
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai You do that! and ask how many of the ladies were married to other men.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan My argument is to say without a doubt JS was a prophet and prophets are not perfect. If he did polygamy, OK still don't change that face he is still a prophet. Elijah from a earlier comment, killed 42 kids and still represented the LORD. In a nutshell
Bible = Book of Mormon = Pearl of Great Price = Doctorine and Covenants
If one is false they all are... I think for myself, go ahead shatter what I believe in for I will shatter yours.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai still boy, you argued he didn't, and u r comparing the prophets to your pedophile of your prophet? please do yourself a favor, keep believing what this man said he saw, Joseph Smith was not a prophet of the Lord. (period)
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Yeah he was, after all he did see christ 5 times and can you prove that wrong.
Nope
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Ok, the first vision was he saw the father and Christ, or christ and an angel, the father and an angel, you have 11 versions of it.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I think for myself, there were so many great works done by him, I feel sorry for you. For being so closed minded about the truth. Christ believes endless revaltions why would those stop with the bible. For I have the truth, priesthood, and modern day prophets and what you have. Probably a lame ministry that is paid lots of money while we don't get paid for a single dime.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Yeap!! You are a selfrighteous dude.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan What? You want me confess to you, empathatic much...
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai To me?Confess to christ, evidence to our union with God 1 John 4:15. A proof that we are his saints 1 John 2:23 4:2-3. Necessary for salvation Romans 10:9-10. It insured us Christ will confess us before the father Mathew 10:32. Has to be related with the faith Romans 10:9. Consequences when no confession to God Mat 10:33. Confession was Amplified by Nathaniel 1 John 1:49. By Peter John 6:68-69 Acts 2:22-36. You keep confessing to your biship. Not to me dude!!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Scripture battle! Sweet!
We have the priesthood D&C 84:33–34
We are spirit children Deuteronomy 32 and Proverbs 8
We are his saints Daniel 7
Angel Moroni Revelation 14:6
We have the Melchizdek Priesthood Hebrews 7
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Once again, ASK YOUR BISHOP
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
Also, The Journal of Discourses will not effect me in any way. Because it is not my scripture, the bible hints the existence of the book of mormon in a literary form as if that the Book of Mormon was serving as a sequel to the revalation brought by the Orginal Bible. What I mean by orginal is the hebrew version, for all we know the bible your reading right now may have some small small, yet still problems.Book of Mormon = English, Bible = Hebrew... Get Rossetta stone now to learn God's language!
megathai 8 months ago
Shawn, you are almost always right. The pentagram is an ancient pagan symbol. It is the obelisk (a phallic symbol) and the square (a female).. The masons morphed the symbols into their tools, the square and the compass. The upside down star then becomes a symbol of sexual intimacy. They are indeed Satanic, and used universally by Satanic cults such as Masons and many versions of mysticism such as Kabbalah.
GmaM11 8 months ago
@GmaM11 Wow!!!
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
I am a mormon!!! What are YOU going to do about it??
megathai 9 months ago
@megathai Mormon, the people who would really want a relationship with Jesus will look at your temple man, and will think twice about joining your church, I know I did. But sadly some people won't, and they'll be suck in to this church and all the rules and rules to come to Jesus. How’s are your temple garments. I'm the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. Courtesy of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Basically, you are saying "Oh, gosh those symbols don't look really christain-like so I am going to assume they are bad." Just, how low can your emotional IQ can be? "Never judge a book by its cover..." people say :)
megathai 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I've heard that excuse of a phrase. Your temple speaks of what the doctrine says, just like a person speaks of what the heart is full of.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan This genious in the video has no clue of what he is talking about. At least get a shave and look like a an professional. BTW Did you know that cathloics use the same symbols like in this blog...
megathai 8 months ago
@megathai I'm not Catholic. He can tell truth if he gets a shave or not.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan He can tell truth, yet it is all speculation... Where is his proof? Otherwise, it's pointless to be here...
megathai 8 months ago
@megathai He was a mormon for 40 years, that's the proof!! He knows the doctrine, lies and all, He was one of you.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan *Slow claps for long time* Great so he is telling me that he is not a mormon because of low EQ too?
megathai 8 months ago
@megathai He's not a Mormon because he found Jesus, and his bandage were no more, No more tithing, no more temple garments, no more this no more that, to come closer to God. I know u get the point.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan So you think that he came closer just by doing what... I came closer to Chirst, Father, and the Holy Ghost by doing all my priesthood duties, living the standards, and reading my scriptures. Basically, by leaving a church built to bring people closer to Christ, made him closer to Christ. I'm sorry, but that's perfectly illogical... Would you care to explain?
megathai 8 months ago
@megathai 1 Timo 2;5 For there is one and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Acts 4:12. I laugh at your selfrighteous duties, Jesus is the HIgh Priest, Jesus made that way for you to come closer to God, not you, with your priesthoods duties, living the standards, n reading scriptures, that comes after you come closer to Jesus, not to come closer 2 him. 2 timo 2:6. Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ hesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@megathai 14, For he himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abloshied in his flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in himself one new man from the two thus making peace. Keep reading until 18. Acts 9:15. 12:24. 8:6. If you say u read the scriptures, read these ones really good, and maybe u'll realized that coming closer to God doesn't involved doing this n that n that. Get it?
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@megathai A church build to bring people closer to Christ? We are the temple, 1 Corint 3:16 2 Corin6:16, Ephesi 2:20-22. Keep reading, and understand something, when u come before God, he'll tell u, I sent my son so that we could have a relantionship, I sent him so that u would be free to come to me, i sent him so that you would be free, my son ripped the veil so that u could come freely, but u would say, God i did my priesthood duties, i lived the standards, i read the scriptures.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@megathai He'll say to you, you fool, my son wasn't enough? His sacrifice wasn't enough so that u wanted to impress me with all your duties? Your tithing? And all you wanted to do to come closer to me? When I sent my son it was to make a way, Jesus is the way, His the way to the father, and to give you life, Jesus is eternal life, and the truth, and the truth shall set you FREE. Keep reading, Deuto 5:5 Ga 3:19. You keep doing what u r doing, n when u feel is enogh, stop.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Still don't explain how quiting a renown religon makes you any closer to christ.
Should You Answer a Fool?
Proverbs 26:4: Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.
Don’t answer.
Proverbs 26:5: Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
Do answer.
megathai 8 months ago
@megathai Proverbs 26:4,5. An unbeliever who rejects the truth.
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Wake Up, what are you trying to prove? Using the bible as a means to support your agrument because it's pointless. Even the bible supports mormon beilefs, Check:
Deuteronomy Chapter 32
Deuteronomy Chapter 10
Psalms Chapter 110
Isaiah Chapter 29
need more proof? Just ask... :D
megathai 8 months ago
@megathai So did Satan used the bible! what are you trying to prove? that u r a Christian? lol. Look for a map in your book, and if can find the cities mentioned there, feel good about yourself. Try to find a world setting for it, and feel even better about yourself, your book has pieces from the bible, Joe used the bible. but forgot to use, 1
Timothy 3:2
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Happy Past fourth of July, after all! :)... My point is that God created mormons, if you're angry about it. why don't you read and pray about thy scriptures. The bible hints the existence of the nephites as a people with another scripture that will be later revealed. Check the scriptures in the previous comment I left you. Mormons are awesome people, why do we exist blame God and his Son Jesus Christ. Amen.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Happy Past One!! OMG, you know I've had my discussion with Mormons, but when it comes 2 you, I've never meet a Mormon as blind as u! God created People, Not Mormons idiot! Angry 4 what?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai (Joseph Smith) Journal of Discourses, Vol 6, p 120; God has a form of a man (Joseph Smith Journal of Discourses, vol 6, p. 3. “Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man,” Romans 1:22-23 If you ask me if i'm angry! I'm angry at this stupidity you blind! The bible sure tells me you are not a mormon, but a Morron for believing this stupdity, Oh the bible says u exist alright!! Hahahahahahahaha
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan How do you know I am not a mormon, you actually fell into my trap. Lol check my scriptures already and reply the truth shall set you free.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Oh G, how smart!! I'm scared now!! LOL. I have told many things, and one of the many had been that u are a Mormon Morron. I've checked your scriptures, and all i can tell you is that all of you take Gods word out on context to prove something that is simply not there!!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai I can go on until the second coming of Jesus, but is meaningless!! You are blind as a bat! and proud to belong to a church with a number!! Let me tell you who set me free!! Jesus Christ of Nazareth, set me free and free indeed!! No church, no organization you Morron!!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Whatever, you have not explain to me anything new
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Than you still as blind as a bat!!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Tell me, is the journal of discourses important. Nope, because it is not part of mormon doctorine. Also, why does the bible hint the existence of the nephites. They are a people of Jerusalem as in the Book of Mormon.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Is not part of the Mormon doctrine? (Brigham Young) From the day that the priesthood was take from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith Junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are, I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. Journal of Discourses 7:289 also cited in ensign, June 1994. You are as stupid as it gets!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Does that prove anything? The fact remains that the bible hints the existence of the nephites... Check Yourself...
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai There's no fact you poor thing!! You gave me a verse and checked it, I told you what it meant, but you all lds like sound like a broken disc. lol. Hey!! Repeat after me, I know i know i know i know i know. lol
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Strange, try to compare Isaiah chapter 29 with 2 Nephi 27. The most uncanny of this revalation is the timing (About 559–545 B.C.)
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Really? i just love Accuracy in time. The footnote of the book of Mormon, suggested that the lenamites exterminations of the Nephites took place around 400 AD, yet it left no archeological evidence, by contrast, a much smaller battler that happened a century earlier in the 1st century AD. In Palestine, demonstrates what one can expect to find, if the battle like the one describes in the book of Mormon had really accrued. Yeah right? again repeat after me. I know i know i know i know.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan After all, Their are remains of 16 Alleles within the Native Americans that trace back to Mesopotamia. If you know your world history, that would occur around the first generation of nephites. (609–600 BC)
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Only 16? oh please!! Duce stop please!! Because as bad as you try to make look here, I feel sorry for you, HIstory that (would), You poor thing!!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan 2000 years, think about it!
I just thought about something, Joseph Smith did a modern day mircale before when a old lady had a broken arm. In the fireplace with the 12 apostles of the church before him. He got up and healed the lady's arm. At kirtland Ohio, at the Johnson's house where he and his only wife Anna Smith stayed. If the prophet was not a prophet why was he able to heal Ms. Johnson's arm?
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai You moron!! No prophet heals, it God who does the work, but you are so in love with a so call prophet than with God that you can't see that.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan
4 words: google "Joseph Smith heal".
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Nothing escapes God. Joseph Smith heal? than put your trust in Jose, put your salvation in Jose, put your family in Jose, put your money in Jose, put your SOUL in Jose, and when you stand before the Father, he'll say, apart from me i never knew you!! why? because your world spined around Jose, go ahead you blind it will cost you your soul. Very expensive price 4 believing in a man whose lust was beyong his believes, but he conquered it, he got many wives. Go ahead, believe in this man.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Listen, why are you going way over the top! Joseph Smith was a good man, however he is not on the Godhead. You know The Holy Trinity; Heavenly Father his Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Let me tell you what the Word of God says about a good man, and read it, if you don't believe me. Mathew 19:17. Have the Holy Ghost direct you when it comes to Jose, and read Gods word in the process, maybe God will chose to open your eyes, because at this point, you are so blind, from all your years in the church that Concrete is in your eyes and can't see.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Oh snap, you just reminded me of a question that proves mormonism true... O_o
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai You are so full of yourself is not even funny! wait it is funny.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai Heber Chase Kimball (June 14, 1801 – June 22, 1868) was a leader in the early Latter Day Saint movement. He served as one of the original twelve apostles in the early Latter Day Saint church, and as first counselor to Brigham Young in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 1847 until his death.. ??????? and? they were still wicked you Tonto!!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
By the way, Does that person you mentioned have any correlation to Joseph Smith Jr. Where is your souce?
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai They all do, this are your apostles! so called prophets. Don't u know your own church history?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai But hey, your prophet used the bible, but he forgot to use 1 Timothy 3:2. I think we've being through this!! But it doesn't matter right what God said in his word? right? because you'll end up saying I know I now i know i know i know!! Dont you get tired of that?
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I'll talk to you later, just remember these questions?
1. Where os there any evidence proving that there was no modern-day miracles by Joseph Smith
2. When you go to temples why do you feel the Holy Ghost?
3. What is the Correlation between Joseph Smith Jr. and that daughter you mentioned?
If you can answer these questions correctly you maybe are right, maybe the answer is NOT 1 Timothy 3:2.
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Josephine Lyon, daughter of Sylvia Sessions Lyon, Feb 1842 age 23 already married to Windsor Lyon, and daughter of so called prophet Joseph Smith. Search it. The Holy spirit lives in me, i'm the tample. You keep believing this man..Just remember that one day someone told you, you were gone end up in Hell just like joseph.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Ask Emma Smith
"No such thing as polygamy, or spiritual wifery, was taught, publicly or privately, before my husband's death, that I have now, or ever had any knowledge of...He had no other wife but me; nor did he to my knowledge ever have"
megathai 7 months ago
@megathai Ask Joseph Smith
For two months, from March to May, Joseph appears to have talked with Emma about plural marriage. He apparently used their rides together to teach her the necessity of the endowment and sealing. There is no evidence that she ever opposed him on any doctrine but plural marriage. Convinced that it was necessary for her salvation and essential to their continued relationship, she may have decided to compromise with Joseph.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai In May 1843 she finally agreed to give Joseph other wives if she could choose them .Emma chose the two sets of sisters then living in her house, Emily and Eliza Partridge and Sarah and Maria Lawrence. Emily Dow Partridge told how she and her sister were married without Emma's knowledge and then were remarried to Smith later with Emma's consent: The Prophet Joseph and his wife Emma offered us a home in their family, and they treated us with great kindness.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai We had been there about a year when the principle of plural marriage was made known to us, and I was married to Joseph Smith on the 4th of March 1843, Elder Heber C. Kimball performing the ceremony. My sister Eliza was also married to Joseph a few days later. This was done without the knowledge of Emma Smith. Two months afterward she consented to give her husband two wives, providing he would give her the privilege of choosing them.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai She accordingly chose my sister Eliza and myself, and to save family trouble Brother Joseph thought it best to have another ceremony performed. Accordingly on the 11th of May, 1843, we were sealed to Joseph Smith a second time, in Emma's presence. From that very hour, however, Emma was our bitter enemy. We remained in the family several months after this, but things went from bad to worse until we were obligated to leave the house and find another home
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai (Historical Record, edited by Andrew Jenson, vol. 6, 1887, p. 240). Check your own history boy, and stop making excuses for your beliefs, because that's all you are doing, (excuses) get to know your church and your prophet and ask yourself what are believing and who are you believing and puting your salvation into a mans testomony, he was able to cheat, lied, killed among other things, and ask yourself! but from this point, I believe you are hopeless fool and are beyong help!!
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@megathai According to Todd Compton, Joseph Smith married at least twenty-seven plural wives between 1833 and July 12, 1843 (see In Sacred Loneliness, pp. 4-6). These were all before Joseph committed his revelation to paper. For example, the Partridge sisters were married to Smith in March of 1843. In July of 1843 Joseph's brother, Hyrum, believed he could convince Emma of the truthfulness polygamy and suggested Smith commit the revelation to paper. Joseph's secretary, William Clayton recorded.
Chinaculiacan 7 months ago
@Chinaculiacan If you fight for the truth, you would not have problem proving my previous comments false...
Unless, you know I am right!
megathai 7 months ago