I'm an agnostic, nearly an atheist, but I appreciate her idea. I've said for years it's my subconscious that does the writing. This may be simply a psychological construct to protect myself from artistic failure and narcissism, but who cares? Sometimes a bit of weirdness keeps us sane.
@songteller ... and sometimes certain things can not ever really be explained, or pin pointed. I know that when I am being artsy, I also tend to trance, and become absorbed.I would say the only other comparable field would be meditation, this is just my opinion, and this is how my mind is able to see.
Wow a lot of negativity on here based on what? The fact that you believe in no higher entity? That's great, learn to translate a thought so it can apply to you instead of rejecting it completely, also, why don't you write an established best seller novel about your own trip and life and then judge this person. Better yet, don't judge people at all.
This is so new age! Dont you guys hear when she speaks of 'some sort of divine greatness' be more specific please. Or is that part of the road I must travel?
I've had similar experiences, but my muse in tormenting me - cause she only speaks to me when I'm about to sleep and goes away when i turn up the light. Early in the morning, i try to remember my late night experience - the words exactly as they were laid down in my mind at that time, but can seem to remember more than bits of pieces which i can put together and that's tormenting me. I don't know what "it" wants from me or maybe i don't know what i want from myself but it's killing me.
I thank and applaud you for being the most amazing source of creative insight I have had access to for sometime. On a much smaller scale and different arena I have come to know such things to the like of which, you have discussed. Thank you so much for allowing me to feel a sense of kinship and relative understanding of such things. Creative spirits will always be met with violent opposition from mediocre minds. A.Einstein.
1) she's trying to turn back in a one way tunnel by externalizing her concentration as some kind of spirit in the wall, instead of paying more attention to her own feelings.
2) she is trying to avoid feeling uncomfortable and meditates with candle light instead of meditating on her fear of failure until it is overcome.
Sounds like you nvr had to work hard for anything in life, aka born with a silver spoon in your mouth? Why dont you try putting your foot in your mouth and see if that fits!
@illbill89eight Maybe, but I feel like one can't create anything truly great without putting something of oneself on the line. Eat, Pray, Love sounds like the most twee book ever...
She has brilliantly articulated how we artists feel when the lights go out and the applause stops. I needed to hear what she had to say as I am working on a project and have been 'stuck'. Thank you Elizabeth for having the courage to think 'outside the box'. I believe you've just helped many of us who easily succumb to the anxiety and depression of the life that chose us. Many blessings to you.
I've always felt the spark was something that had a little to do with you but had more to do with the situations you found yourself in. I think not only is she right, but she's underselling the rationality of the idea. In a cold philosophical sense, where inspiration might be seen as a dialogue between experience and perception, it's entirely rational to think of the process as something outside and fleeting and uncontrollable.
@angrygreenmonk no shit! it'd be one thing if she was giving expression to bourgeois problems in a novel way, like virginia woolf or something...but she just peddles cliches on unsophisticated readers.
Clearly this romantic writer should never have taken on an objective monologue on this topic. She isn't objective in the least, and does the progressive cause of creativity as the modern authentic disservice. Of course, she had to pretend expertise for the audience in this PR ploy @ TED, but really, has no idea what she is talking about, and why should she? To reduce elements of life to eating, praying and loving is hiding truths we all desperately need. Thanks, retrogressionist media.
Creativity is ploy by which people suddenly figure out or devise a way to construe elements of learned-reality learned; perceived; re-arranged, concocted, and then presented with singularity. Re-interpreting reality to me is mundane, nothing divine or ethereal about it.
@alcyonae the mundanity I speak of is in the creative process itself; in the conjuring of ideas whereas, it is not asserted to be a descriptive of reality. one's interpretation of reality is subjective. but if I was to answer you indirectly, our efforts are rewarded in maintaining or the maintenance of our sanity. Why not empower the experential, as opposed to displacing credit to outside forces?
@brod2man LOL. NO. Science and Nature are two different things. You are referring to Nature, which exists, but nobody will ever be able to know what it is, only how it behaves. Study some physics to understand why.
The models that science creates to describe this behavior are ideas truly never encountered before, unlike the arts that just piece together things in a novel way
But of course you won't be able to understand why all I said is true. I shouldn't even bother answering to people like you
@alcyonae explain how 'never encountered before' means creative.
science is pure observation. if you and i both separately came to the conclusion that 1+1=2. it was not because of our individual creativty. everyone can come to this some conclusion. explain how this is creative.
(rather than being arrogant and treating me like a retard that doesnt deserve your knowledge, why dont you help me to understand what you mean. )
@brod2man 1+1=2 pertains to logic and mathematics, it's not a scientific model. Although intuitive, it is not trivial. Russell managed to prove it rigorously only well after 350 pages of Principia Mathematica
There is not one way of scientifically representing reality. There's the GUT, string theory, LQG, and so many ways never conceived yet. It's true that science employs established methods in the investigation process, steps that anybody should be able to reproduce leading to the same result,
@alcyonae But the INTERPRETATION of those results is truly a form of art. Our senses cannot possibly offer the same novelty in our understanding of reality, if it wasn't for those tedious experiments.
Science enhances our senses
If you think this isn't creativity, then art isn't either. In its essence, art is piecing together words, images, and realizations that many have encountered before, but nobody presented exactly in that form.
We call art what triggers our emotions. Science triggers mine
@roccckkerrr if perusing your passion isn't difficult, then its not much of a passion. The hardships that come with being creative also develop your creativity and your experiences that allow you to express your creativity in more ways than you can understand right now. Also what you want isn't possible, its called supply and demand.
its so true. next year i will start the study engineering at uni for four years, all whilst intending to devote more time to my true passion which is music and playing guitar.
society needs the framework to allow for those of us who legitimately have a passion to pursue creative expression not to feel the anxiety of failing and not have to pursue the passion metaphorically underground until it may one day put bread in our basket.
if i don't get the opportunity to make a career from my passio
I like the video. But I hope she is not comparing herself to Socrates. I mean, Eat Pray Love? Seriously? This is genius? Well... If that's genius, then I'm God.
@khalilus00 Why can't she compare herself to Socrates? They share 99% of each others genes are members of the same remarkable species that has created an astounding environment.
Sure shes not exactly the same, shes female, was born many years later, and writes her ideas down while Socrates simply spoke and had followers who transcribed him. Of course they're not the same, doesn't mean they can't be compared.
@khalilus00 And to be honest with you I don't think she compared herself to him but used one of his ideas of wisdom to relate to her own life. Which is what Socrates would have wanted.
It is so much like what I have been hearing since childhood. I am from India and all I have heard is that you are a stream of the river called 'god'. So bask in your being! A lot to learn from all of our collective history!!
Avoiding responsibilty IS the point of her talk. I do not see any problem on recognizing the contribution of our peers and society in our own work, but recognizing the contribution of something that cannot be proven to exist is wrong and a bad idea.
@TeaGreenz We have to live with what we created, but inventions are rather like kids which have grow up and then get their own lives. 'We make products and then later they make us'. Mankind invented economics, but can anybody stop it? Avoiding responsibility isn't the point or purpose of her talk. Recognising that our ideas are occasionally bigger than us is actually a kind of responsibility in itself.
A brilliant lecture. Most of the time, I feel like my work comes from outside myself, that it's created by my subconcious, which doesn't allow my concious mind much of a role in the creative process. But I disagree with her that creativity causes anguish. I believe that anguish causes creativity. Artists create works about which they feel intensely.
"That "creative mystery" she refers to is human expression which I suspect is the purpose of existence, to express true nature. The reason many artist suffer from depression is because they hold expectations for themselves in comparison to somebody else which kills inspiration. There is no separate "thing" called creativity. Creativity is all that exists and we experience it as life or existence. Existence is a dance. Reality is expression.
I HIGHLY disagree with her premise about the beneficial effects to society of believing creativity comes from "fairies" or the "divine." In the long run, believe something in which there is little evidence causes more suffering to society. However, "creative despair" is real, and i think it comes from a sense of disconnection to something greater than one's self - to society and the universe. If you realize the interrelation found in nature and society, then "creative despair" will start to fade
@jtothed1031 I'm guessing from your comment you are not an artist, or if you are, you haven't yet done work that really satisfied you. Any accomplished artist I discussed this with agrees with her take.
Science has no model of how creativity happens as appealing as the greco-roman one. The rationalist assumption that only planning generates success ignores the evidence that a) great artists often flunk maths and science, while b) very few accomplished scientists do great art.
QQUENDOism, I agree with your comments. (And yes, Ms12noon, I did read the book---but I'm happy for you that you know her SO well that you refer to her as "Liz"). So now, after I eat (something which I love), I am going to pray that she never writes another book, and hopefully stops sharing her dollar store philosophy with the rest of the world. The woman IS a self-absorbed bore.
@Ms12noon am I missing something or do you not know Liz Gilbert? she left a husband she didn't love, which is sad, but surely better than staying and having a family in a loveless marrige. she got with david AFTER she left him but before she was divorced (which, if you've read her work, you'll know took years), he took ALL the money, including the house where they had lived and bought together? (one of the few conditions by which he would accept the divorce agreement). And there were no kids!
Great TED talk from Elizabeth Gilbert. Thank goodness that she is not only a great writer, but also a superb public speaker. She completely owns that stage. This quality is so rare for a writer & novelist. Most novelists are so dull as public speakers. But Elizabeth Gilbert is simply awesome.
I just finished EPL - the worst book I have ever read. It has so many little bits of evil in it that I threw it down in disgust about as many times as I did when I read Mein Kampf.
@OQUENDOism The parts where she is condescending towards other cultures, actively works to destroy her own mind, slanders her ex, talks boring cliches about Italy, India, or Bali, and, most of all, the parts where she is so self-absorbed she's like a self-holding sponge. (In other words, most of the book)
@Ms12noon she never did any of that. She never cheated, steal his kid, or take his money. In fact he took her money. Have you even read any of her books or even watch this?
Love Liz Gilbert and her very eloquent take on the creative muse. Storytelling is a right brain, non linear activity and we live in a left brain dominant culture. Artists kind of live on the fringe of consciousness, here to push the desks out of the rows. But we need the structured, linear people who are good with schedules and nurturing too.
This was one of those naive nice-looking ideas that could lead to complete disaster. Once it gains ground with the artists it has the potential to jump to the mainstream and that's it. No more possibility for rational debate, the spirits will take care of that.
@cabrer7 Umm - every decent artist I've spoken to prefers to think their inspiration comes to them. Nobody thinks they plan their art. I only hear such judgements from non-artists. Her position that ideas come to us is no different to Dawkins' meme hypothesis. Talking of which, if you can prove that your rationality is unquestionably your own design, rather than a meme that got hold of you, I'd love to hear how you test that hypothesis.
@TrueKeyBladeGamer Says the guy that's proud of a game gown down hill ever since the first one. In any case, your comment gives nothing substantial. Or even the least bit of helpfulness. I'd like to see you write a book.
@gd567890dA It would look something like this. "All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy." etc etc
@wisemass I agree with you. But I don't see the connection between your comment and mine since I was responding to a different guy. Is that a book you would write? That's terribly dull, unless of course thats what you wanted, irony and dull.
@gd567890dA I was butting in, being a troll. It's a referance to "The shining". "Is that a book you would write?" Interesting question, With todays reading public, it would probably be a best seller. Snookie is on the New York Times Best seller List.
Great, leave it to writer to toy with theology when she can't find answers to her concerns. Is it possible to be talented but emotionally driven and not at all a genius? I believe she is just that. When we figuer out the brain in and out she will then "feel" dumb about her fairy talk.
@martin6ariza wow you better be really successful in what you do to come out with something arrogant like that. She may have concerns but she is a success. She is giving a speech in an auditorium filled with people who laugh and applaud her. Do people do the same to you? Lot of people have the problem she is addressing, especially me.
@aps6666 cool your emotions lady. I'm just dissapointed with the fact that she is folllowing the same error that most humans have... If you can't explain something make a fairy tale belief structure out of it! What's wrong with saying "I don't know".During deep concentration parts of the brain demand more blood flow and that demand will leave other regions of the brain with deficiency... You can't trust what you perceive after that. I can't wait for the upcoming breakthroughs in neuro science.
@martin6ariza Personaly, I believe in the muse model the Greeks had. I read the neuroscience and I understand the reductionist arguments, but it doesn't wash. Any artist I spoke to whose art I felt any respect for found this way of thinking a much better description of the process. Your anticipation of an imminent scientific breakthrough which will explain everything the way you would like it to be is no better then the god-of-the-gaps religious opportunism you pretend to be better than.
@martin6ariza As an artist I'll go with her 'fairy talk' because the Greek model actually helps. I know lots of artists who think like this. I don't know any artists who accredit their success to scientific reductionism or believe science has much to offer to the creative process at all. A communicative model which locates the thinking outside the brain is consistent with systems theory (e.g. Dawkins meme theory,) so there's nothing illogical about her perspective, it's perfectly possible.
@leconfidant **yawn** yeah you go ahead and do that. I never mentioned reductionism, thats a bad theory. If you care to watch search for jeff hawkins. There are no clear answer yet, but artist can do what ever they please because scientist simple don't care. Continue settling with super natural like everyone else, not me.
@martin6ariza your not an artist so your obviously too narrow minded to understand the jist of what shes saying. Its actually got nothing to do with science, and this video isn't her confession that she believes in fairies either. We live in a scientific world, I have a degree in physics so I know. But knowing the science of things doesn't make us act and feel more robotic. We are still human, we have vulnerabilities. Thats the point of this video. It helps us come to terms with it.
@aps6666 I just face palmd myself after reading this. Lady I'm on my 3rd language I play the guitar I do creative writing and I have produced and compose my own music so back off about not being an artist... We are all artist, and scientist in one way our more. Bottom line if you sleep better at night beliving in the supernatural then thats great for you...that's just not me. We resort to the supernatural when we don't have answers.
I never manage 2 write a decent poem on purpose, cuz whenever I force myself I just hit a wall. In my normal status I feel like a stupid writer!!! and sometimes later when I read some of my best work, I feel like I can't take the credit for it, cuz its not rlly me!!! XD
Cool! Bring back the ancient wisdom. In science today it would be morphic fields personified. Funny she goes from a interesting person to a cutting edge thinker @ 09:25 ! If we did this then science and religion would unite with both getting what they want.
"Taking the challenge of 'How do I follow Continuum?'; We were saying you don't follow it at all, you just leave it and you step to the side and you begin something completely new."
John Mayer on doing the next record after his praised album "Continuum"
Creativity is such a fascinating discussion. While I may not have an interest in what she writes, she certainly has a great thing about her words. I'm glad TED shared this. Great talk.
I feel this anxiety without having a type of creative career. I think the individual is responsible for creating something but the question is: can they handle it?
For anyone saying this is not "worthy" of a TED talk perhaps you should let the TED body decide that and they gave her a standing ovation which is a rare occasion at these events.
Creativity IS just a mild form of insanity... No, really. Creativity happens when some sort of pathways in the brain that have to do with association or something like that aren't working right. I read an article somewhere..
For the people who have previously commented that this is not a TED worthy talk I would like to see them get up on stage in front of hundreds of people on a stage with such prestige and give a talk with that much warmth and humour. She was freakin inspiring, even if her actual concept was a little far fetched.
I can't help but think her thoughts are too internal and disconnected from the real world. Some of her ideas are about herself not about other people's opinions which she claims they are. Why not consider creativity a matter of circumstance and creativity as well as down to each person? That's my take on it. Overall a brilliant talk.
I can't help but think her thoughts are too internal and disconnected from the real world. Some of her ideas are about herself not about other people's opinions which she claims they are. But a brilliant talk :)
On topic: she's recommending a hell of a lot of ego annihilation for the sake of circumventing psychology. Normally people like, take ayahuasca or whatever for that kind of thing.
Yes, from our limited human/physical dimension Spirit cannot be fully understood (not by a long shot). Only the immature or arrogant expect otherwise. Creative brilliance is the only human trait that often occurs randomly and unreliably. Most great thinkers, inventors and artists have explained how they apparently channel their genius (whether it's a blip or a stream). They all feel humility and gratitude, which are powerful spiritual traits every person needs (plus enduring reward).
I can't stand these attempts to attach a vague 'spirituality' to anything and everything. The lows are an important feature of the creative mind because they provide context for the highs, among other things. The trick is to accept that we are just animals with weaknesses and frailty, but that we are capable of brilliance. When even a glimpse of that brilliance reveals itself, we NEED to accept every bit of credit we deserve. That is how we transcend, not through handing off credit to the wind.
@ProfessorYumYum i completely agree. so yes, there's a lot of pressure on her about her next book, but there's no need to attach so much spirituality and god into it. if that works for her, than that's fine, but teaching it to others seems kind of like it would bring them down, like they didn't achieve what they did themselves, but someone else did it for them. if you achieved something great you deserve the credit, and you just need to work hard to achieve greatness again.
@ProfessorYumYum Have YOU ever written an amazing book? Are YOU a great poet? If so, I'll listen to what you have to say about creativity. My own personal theory links in with particle nonlocality at the quantum level. In other words, it's kind of like an internet connection. At certain moments, the connection is remarkably strong, and we see a great deal more than we do normally. But who/what is responsible for this incredible connection? That's what she's referring to.
@Logos612 As it happens, I'm a visual artist. I also happen to know a little something about quantum physics. Enough to know that your theory is nothing but straw grasping. As Terry Pratchet so beautifully put it, "Let's call it quantum' is not an explanation." What she's referring to is finding a way to circumvent the emotional stresses of creativity. A devaluing and cowardly way, in my opinion. Of course, I'm only an artist who suffers from depression.
@ProfessorYumYum Well, if you are suffering from depression, I certainly empathize. I went through that for an entire year. However, I doubt I am "grasping for straws" as it were. If you'll really pay attention in your own life...recall that there were certain points in which a "dejavu" experience or the like suddenly led you to predict the near future (i.e. this is a crossroads for me). This strange affair is my primary concern, if it wasn't clear.
@Logos612 What are you even trying to say? Are you inferring that some part of our brain is in an indeterminate quantum state that is free to interact and entangle with... something(?)... that would then later communicate to it at a distance by being defined through decoherence and thus somehow inspiring us? Because that's (very generally) what nonlocality refers to. Particles *themselves* at not nonlocal, their interactions are.
@RamadaArtist I apologize for my lack of clarity. I must say that Pavlov's attribution is the overlying principle in this sort of thing. That is...I have observed my friends attempt to come up with novel stuff. When I hear the novel stuff, and trace it back for them, suddenly their "novelty" is deflated with the understanding that it can be traced back to something. I think I may have been drunk in my first comment if I was trying to explain this in quantum terms.
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AngryJO84 3 hours ago
Best TED Talk. Ever.
slapshotoi 1 day ago
That structure of thinking, to deal with pressures and fear totally works!
LaiPt 2 days ago
Why do americans laugh at everything?
NASIMNASIM 3 days ago 2
@NASIMNASIM don't know, but I like that :D brazilians do it as well!!
SilvaPurry 2 days ago
@NASIMNASIM chem-trails
AngryJO84 3 hours ago
I'm an agnostic, nearly an atheist, but I appreciate her idea. I've said for years it's my subconscious that does the writing. This may be simply a psychological construct to protect myself from artistic failure and narcissism, but who cares? Sometimes a bit of weirdness keeps us sane.
songteller 3 days ago
@songteller ... and sometimes certain things can not ever really be explained, or pin pointed. I know that when I am being artsy, I also tend to trance, and become absorbed.I would say the only other comparable field would be meditation, this is just my opinion, and this is how my mind is able to see.
AngryJO84 3 hours ago
Wow a lot of negativity on here based on what? The fact that you believe in no higher entity? That's great, learn to translate a thought so it can apply to you instead of rejecting it completely, also, why don't you write an established best seller novel about your own trip and life and then judge this person. Better yet, don't judge people at all.
VonHalford 4 days ago
Two words: BLACK SWAN. Scalable professions are bad.
fireant202 4 days ago
she looks like a female steve jobs
corin187 5 days ago
This is so new age! Dont you guys hear when she speaks of 'some sort of divine greatness' be more specific please. Or is that part of the road I must travel?
Jeroenvrolijk 1 week ago
I've had similar experiences, but my muse in tormenting me - cause she only speaks to me when I'm about to sleep and goes away when i turn up the light. Early in the morning, i try to remember my late night experience - the words exactly as they were laid down in my mind at that time, but can seem to remember more than bits of pieces which i can put together and that's tormenting me. I don't know what "it" wants from me or maybe i don't know what i want from myself but it's killing me.
7thGuard 1 week ago
I thank and applaud you for being the most amazing source of creative insight I have had access to for sometime. On a much smaller scale and different arena I have come to know such things to the like of which, you have discussed. Thank you so much for allowing me to feel a sense of kinship and relative understanding of such things. Creative spirits will always be met with violent opposition from mediocre minds. A.Einstein.
junebug7ish 1 week ago
What's wrong with drinking gin at 0900?
cbrusharmy 1 week ago 2
1) she's trying to turn back in a one way tunnel by externalizing her concentration as some kind of spirit in the wall, instead of paying more attention to her own feelings.
2) she is trying to avoid feeling uncomfortable and meditates with candle light instead of meditating on her fear of failure until it is overcome.
nice and clear speech, though.
orkishiswithk 1 week ago
Yes!!! Thank you Gilbert!!
JamiesFaces 2 weeks ago
I kind of like the idea of the suffering artist though
sebbythecrabby 2 weeks ago
@sebbythecrabby
Sounds like you nvr had to work hard for anything in life, aka born with a silver spoon in your mouth? Why dont you try putting your foot in your mouth and see if that fits!
illbill89eight 1 week ago
@illbill89eight Maybe, but I feel like one can't create anything truly great without putting something of oneself on the line. Eat, Pray, Love sounds like the most twee book ever...
sebbythecrabby 1 week ago
@sebbythecrabby there is ALWAYS something on the line.
illbill89eight 1 week ago
She's loopy.
Jens8161 2 weeks ago
@Jens8161 But a lovely sort
RitzFritters 2 weeks ago
She has brilliantly articulated how we artists feel when the lights go out and the applause stops. I needed to hear what she had to say as I am working on a project and have been 'stuck'. Thank you Elizabeth for having the courage to think 'outside the box'. I believe you've just helped many of us who easily succumb to the anxiety and depression of the life that chose us. Many blessings to you.
deannadubbin 3 weeks ago
self absorbed pablum
sunioj700 3 weeks ago
I've always felt the spark was something that had a little to do with you but had more to do with the situations you found yourself in. I think not only is she right, but she's underselling the rationality of the idea. In a cold philosophical sense, where inspiration might be seen as a dialogue between experience and perception, it's entirely rational to think of the process as something outside and fleeting and uncontrollable.
sugglew 3 weeks ago
Elizabeth Gilbert = First World Problems
What a joke.
angrygreenmonk 3 weeks ago
@angrygreenmonk no shit! it'd be one thing if she was giving expression to bourgeois problems in a novel way, like virginia woolf or something...but she just peddles cliches on unsophisticated readers.
and what the fuck is she wearing??!!
clockworkscott 3 weeks ago
@clockworkscott hahaha, well said!
angrygreenmonk 3 weeks ago
@angrygreenmonk I'd like to know what is it in your mind. Everyone has something useful to say, I believe.
aortizc82 1 week ago
Just what I need! :-D
EdwardUpward 3 weeks ago
This makes sense. I'm glad I came across this early in my life. Might save me someday.
13jocularity 3 weeks ago
SO BRAVE
kurdt40894 3 weeks ago
Refreshing.
kiCkLt7 3 weeks ago
Clearly this romantic writer should never have taken on an objective monologue on this topic. She isn't objective in the least, and does the progressive cause of creativity as the modern authentic disservice. Of course, she had to pretend expertise for the audience in this PR ploy @ TED, but really, has no idea what she is talking about, and why should she? To reduce elements of life to eating, praying and loving is hiding truths we all desperately need. Thanks, retrogressionist media.
ArthurMaritime 4 weeks ago
All the energy people are putting into arguing on here. Leave Facebook, go start your new book or screenplay or painting.
danieljohnsonfilms 4 weeks ago 14
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MsSaku17 1 month ago
I think that it's very very important for me and all the people in the world. I would like you create all the TED forever.
kosal0975056390 1 month ago
Fantastic perspective. Love thinking about this. Thanks, Elizabeth Gilbert! :)
SiriusPotterFan 1 month ago 4
Thumbs up if Dianna Agron brought you here!
dshana1992 1 month ago
OLÉ
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Creativity is ploy by which people suddenly figure out or devise a way to construe elements of learned-reality learned; perceived; re-arranged, concocted, and then presented with singularity. Re-interpreting reality to me is mundane, nothing divine or ethereal about it.
drewlsy 1 month ago
@drewlsy If reality is mundane, what then is worth our efforts?
alcyonae 1 month ago
@alcyonae the mundanity I speak of is in the creative process itself; in the conjuring of ideas whereas, it is not asserted to be a descriptive of reality. one's interpretation of reality is subjective. but if I was to answer you indirectly, our efforts are rewarded in maintaining or the maintenance of our sanity. Why not empower the experential, as opposed to displacing credit to outside forces?
drewlsy 1 month ago
there is no decent reason why this didn't beat the lightning bolt lecture. CREATIVITY FTW!!!
ilovemangos70 1 month ago
Byr
kimrainman 1 month ago
She speaks as she writes... really inspiring! Thank you!
tiffanihg 1 month ago
Science is the ultimate form of creativity, I'm sorry for those who can't see it
alcyonae 1 month ago 2
@alcyonae science isnt creative, it already exists in full form. science involves exploring and revealing facts. not creation
brod2man 1 month ago
@brod2man LOL. NO. Science and Nature are two different things. You are referring to Nature, which exists, but nobody will ever be able to know what it is, only how it behaves. Study some physics to understand why.
The models that science creates to describe this behavior are ideas truly never encountered before, unlike the arts that just piece together things in a novel way
But of course you won't be able to understand why all I said is true. I shouldn't even bother answering to people like you
alcyonae 1 month ago
@alcyonae explain how 'never encountered before' means creative.
science is pure observation. if you and i both separately came to the conclusion that 1+1=2. it was not because of our individual creativty. everyone can come to this some conclusion. explain how this is creative.
(rather than being arrogant and treating me like a retard that doesnt deserve your knowledge, why dont you help me to understand what you mean. )
brod2man 1 month ago
@brod2man 1+1=2 pertains to logic and mathematics, it's not a scientific model. Although intuitive, it is not trivial. Russell managed to prove it rigorously only well after 350 pages of Principia Mathematica
There is not one way of scientifically representing reality. There's the GUT, string theory, LQG, and so many ways never conceived yet. It's true that science employs established methods in the investigation process, steps that anybody should be able to reproduce leading to the same result,
alcyonae 1 month ago
@alcyonae But the INTERPRETATION of those results is truly a form of art. Our senses cannot possibly offer the same novelty in our understanding of reality, if it wasn't for those tedious experiments.
Science enhances our senses
If you think this isn't creativity, then art isn't either. In its essence, art is piecing together words, images, and realizations that many have encountered before, but nobody presented exactly in that form.
We call art what triggers our emotions. Science triggers mine
alcyonae 1 month ago
Preety young and 40 don't go together
mookie9439 1 month ago
that's cool iPhone, cut half of my response off.
roccckkerrr 1 month ago
@roccckkerrr if perusing your passion isn't difficult, then its not much of a passion. The hardships that come with being creative also develop your creativity and your experiences that allow you to express your creativity in more ways than you can understand right now. Also what you want isn't possible, its called supply and demand.
Terrex123 1 month ago
its so true. next year i will start the study engineering at uni for four years, all whilst intending to devote more time to my true passion which is music and playing guitar.
society needs the framework to allow for those of us who legitimately have a passion to pursue creative expression not to feel the anxiety of failing and not have to pursue the passion metaphorically underground until it may one day put bread in our basket.
if i don't get the opportunity to make a career from my passio
roccckkerrr 1 month ago
I like the video. But I hope she is not comparing herself to Socrates. I mean, Eat Pray Love? Seriously? This is genius? Well... If that's genius, then I'm God.
khalilus00 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
@khalilus00 Why can't she compare herself to Socrates? They share 99% of each others genes are members of the same remarkable species that has created an astounding environment.
Sure shes not exactly the same, shes female, was born many years later, and writes her ideas down while Socrates simply spoke and had followers who transcribed him. Of course they're not the same, doesn't mean they can't be compared.
Stop trying to bring people down
brettmangel36 1 month ago
@khalilus00 And to be honest with you I don't think she compared herself to him but used one of his ideas of wisdom to relate to her own life. Which is what Socrates would have wanted.
brettmangel36 1 month ago
It is so much like what I have been hearing since childhood. I am from India and all I have heard is that you are a stream of the river called 'god'. So bask in your being! A lot to learn from all of our collective history!!
Ole! to all my fellow beings!!
indianstunts 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
i know what she is talking about.... she is talking about what we can be like when we are IN A ZONE
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Avoiding responsibilty IS the point of her talk. I do not see any problem on recognizing the contribution of our peers and society in our own work, but recognizing the contribution of something that cannot be proven to exist is wrong and a bad idea.
cabrer7 1 month ago
So a way to escape ourselves is to say that we are not responsible for all we created?
TeaGreenz 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
@TeaGreenz We have to live with what we created, but inventions are rather like kids which have grow up and then get their own lives. 'We make products and then later they make us'. Mankind invented economics, but can anybody stop it? Avoiding responsibility isn't the point or purpose of her talk. Recognising that our ideas are occasionally bigger than us is actually a kind of responsibility in itself.
leconfidant 1 month ago
she's a brilliant speaker :)
Namami88 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
A brilliant lecture. Most of the time, I feel like my work comes from outside myself, that it's created by my subconcious, which doesn't allow my concious mind much of a role in the creative process. But I disagree with her that creativity causes anguish. I believe that anguish causes creativity. Artists create works about which they feel intensely.
artsmith100 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
it is such a good speech. I was trying to use this video to help me fall asleep, but it wakes me up instead.
MosonMo 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
Write for yourself, share with everyone
Th3Shadow0fDeath 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
It is your subconcious that has been working on that idea for a few days or weeks. Saw it on a Fora.tv talk.
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creativity comes from God!!
tingipingi 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
@tingipingi which one?
hempartist420 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
I LOVE this!!! at a moment when I needed to hear this, you said it so well!!! Thank YOU!!!!
judythgn 1 month ago
"That "creative mystery" she refers to is human expression which I suspect is the purpose of existence, to express true nature. The reason many artist suffer from depression is because they hold expectations for themselves in comparison to somebody else which kills inspiration. There is no separate "thing" called creativity. Creativity is all that exists and we experience it as life or existence. Existence is a dance. Reality is expression.
MentalHygieneMusic 1 month ago
I HIGHLY disagree with her premise about the beneficial effects to society of believing creativity comes from "fairies" or the "divine." In the long run, believe something in which there is little evidence causes more suffering to society. However, "creative despair" is real, and i think it comes from a sense of disconnection to something greater than one's self - to society and the universe. If you realize the interrelation found in nature and society, then "creative despair" will start to fade
jtothed1031 1 month ago
@jtothed1031 so, since you are such an expert in creativity. What was your most successful creative work so far?
ThisIsTheFatRat 1 month ago in playlist Top 10 Most Viewed TEDTalks
@jtothed1031 I'm guessing from your comment you are not an artist, or if you are, you haven't yet done work that really satisfied you. Any accomplished artist I discussed this with agrees with her take.
Science has no model of how creativity happens as appealing as the greco-roman one. The rationalist assumption that only planning generates success ignores the evidence that a) great artists often flunk maths and science, while b) very few accomplished scientists do great art.
leconfidant 1 month ago
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creativity comes from God. she never did say that.
macgeekforever2011 1 month ago
Every thought in your head is from an unimaginable source little girl. On the right track though
crudhousefull 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TEDtalksDirector
Holy shit she looks 30
crudhousefull 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TEDtalksDirector
truly amazing! beautiful!
GclefG 1 month ago
QQUENDOism, I agree with your comments. (And yes, Ms12noon, I did read the book---but I'm happy for you that you know her SO well that you refer to her as "Liz"). So now, after I eat (something which I love), I am going to pray that she never writes another book, and hopefully stops sharing her dollar store philosophy with the rest of the world. The woman IS a self-absorbed bore.
happycat49 1 month ago
i just lost 19 minites and mre.
zaheednasr 2 months ago
@Ms12noon am I missing something or do you not know Liz Gilbert? she left a husband she didn't love, which is sad, but surely better than staying and having a family in a loveless marrige. she got with david AFTER she left him but before she was divorced (which, if you've read her work, you'll know took years), he took ALL the money, including the house where they had lived and bought together? (one of the few conditions by which he would accept the divorce agreement). And there were no kids!
theresecranney 2 months ago
Respond to this video...
She's an artist and not trying to represent the Perfect Person. EVERYONE got Issues, she also has Heaps of Talent.
Hugo411 2 months ago 15
@Hugo411 Heaps of what?
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Hugo411 2 months ago
@Ms12noon ... what's your issue? and where is your proof?
ChristinaJedra 2 months ago
@Ms12noon
Please reference your sources... where did you read/hear this information?
OQUENDOism 2 months ago
I learned a new word from this video:
odious.
themightycelestial 2 months ago in playlist Vox
Awesome !!!
Frankccito1 3 months ago
Great TED talk from Elizabeth Gilbert. Thank goodness that she is not only a great writer, but also a superb public speaker. She completely owns that stage. This quality is so rare for a writer & novelist. Most novelists are so dull as public speakers. But Elizabeth Gilbert is simply awesome.
ZachClooney 3 months ago
I just finished EPL - the worst book I have ever read. It has so many little bits of evil in it that I threw it down in disgust about as many times as I did when I read Mein Kampf.
richardcadbury 3 months ago
@richardcadbury
Really? Which parts of "Eat, Pray, Love" had "little bits of evil"? I am curious.
OQUENDOism 2 months ago
@OQUENDOism The parts where she is condescending towards other cultures, actively works to destroy her own mind, slanders her ex, talks boring cliches about Italy, India, or Bali, and, most of all, the parts where she is so self-absorbed she's like a self-holding sponge. (In other words, most of the book)
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yes, in your opinion.
OQUENDOism 2 months ago
@Ms12noon she never did any of that. She never cheated, steal his kid, or take his money. In fact he took her money. Have you even read any of her books or even watch this?
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aerok91 3 months ago
Brilliant!
Xica143 3 months ago
B R I L L I A N T ! she was afraid not to produce anything as good as that book, well.. she just did.
Santisantiago 3 months ago
Love Liz Gilbert and her very eloquent take on the creative muse. Storytelling is a right brain, non linear activity and we live in a left brain dominant culture. Artists kind of live on the fringe of consciousness, here to push the desks out of the rows. But we need the structured, linear people who are good with schedules and nurturing too.
jen8rve 3 months ago
I just love and appreciate her !
carlaayers 3 months ago
some hidden sensuality about her
sag4985 3 months ago
This was one of those naive nice-looking ideas that could lead to complete disaster. Once it gains ground with the artists it has the potential to jump to the mainstream and that's it. No more possibility for rational debate, the spirits will take care of that.
cabrer7 3 months ago
@cabrer7 Umm - every decent artist I've spoken to prefers to think their inspiration comes to them. Nobody thinks they plan their art. I only hear such judgements from non-artists. Her position that ideas come to us is no different to Dawkins' meme hypothesis. Talking of which, if you can prove that your rationality is unquestionably your own design, rather than a meme that got hold of you, I'd love to hear how you test that hypothesis.
leconfidant 1 month ago
one more step to irrational thinking
cabrer7 3 months ago
It's amazing the way she produces motivation... thank you very much
Zicid 4 months ago
eat pray love is the most obnoxious, annoying bullshit book I've ever read. I can't believe she has more books! MORE! wtf...
TrueKeyBladeGamer 4 months ago
@TrueKeyBladeGamer Says the guy that's proud of a game gown down hill ever since the first one. In any case, your comment gives nothing substantial. Or even the least bit of helpfulness. I'd like to see you write a book.
gd567890dA 4 months ago
@gd567890dA It would look something like this. "All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.All work and no play makes jack a dull boy." etc etc
wisemass 2 months ago
@wisemass I agree with you. But I don't see the connection between your comment and mine since I was responding to a different guy. Is that a book you would write? That's terribly dull, unless of course thats what you wanted, irony and dull.
gd567890dA 2 months ago
@gd567890dA I was butting in, being a troll. It's a referance to "The shining". "Is that a book you would write?" Interesting question, With todays reading public, it would probably be a best seller. Snookie is on the New York Times Best seller List.
wisemass 2 months ago
kind of disappointing in the end. but. cute overall.
weaselidiotu 4 months ago
i think she has already gone down the crazy rode
Adrenaline552 4 months ago
Um yez training is portant, you need to belearn, all credit goes yto you if you can forget, what strength you have may in deeed be.... you best bet.
MrGodkid 4 months ago
Great, leave it to writer to toy with theology when she can't find answers to her concerns. Is it possible to be talented but emotionally driven and not at all a genius? I believe she is just that. When we figuer out the brain in and out she will then "feel" dumb about her fairy talk.
martin6ariza 4 months ago
@martin6ariza wow you better be really successful in what you do to come out with something arrogant like that. She may have concerns but she is a success. She is giving a speech in an auditorium filled with people who laugh and applaud her. Do people do the same to you? Lot of people have the problem she is addressing, especially me.
aps6666 4 months ago
@aps6666 cool your emotions lady. I'm just dissapointed with the fact that she is folllowing the same error that most humans have... If you can't explain something make a fairy tale belief structure out of it! What's wrong with saying "I don't know".During deep concentration parts of the brain demand more blood flow and that demand will leave other regions of the brain with deficiency... You can't trust what you perceive after that. I can't wait for the upcoming breakthroughs in neuro science.
martin6ariza 4 months ago
@martin6ariza Personaly, I believe in the muse model the Greeks had. I read the neuroscience and I understand the reductionist arguments, but it doesn't wash. Any artist I spoke to whose art I felt any respect for found this way of thinking a much better description of the process. Your anticipation of an imminent scientific breakthrough which will explain everything the way you would like it to be is no better then the god-of-the-gaps religious opportunism you pretend to be better than.
leconfidant 4 months ago
@martin6ariza As an artist I'll go with her 'fairy talk' because the Greek model actually helps. I know lots of artists who think like this. I don't know any artists who accredit their success to scientific reductionism or believe science has much to offer to the creative process at all. A communicative model which locates the thinking outside the brain is consistent with systems theory (e.g. Dawkins meme theory,) so there's nothing illogical about her perspective, it's perfectly possible.
leconfidant 4 months ago
@leconfidant **yawn** yeah you go ahead and do that. I never mentioned reductionism, thats a bad theory. If you care to watch search for jeff hawkins. There are no clear answer yet, but artist can do what ever they please because scientist simple don't care. Continue settling with super natural like everyone else, not me.
martin6ariza 4 months ago
@martin6ariza your not an artist so your obviously too narrow minded to understand the jist of what shes saying. Its actually got nothing to do with science, and this video isn't her confession that she believes in fairies either. We live in a scientific world, I have a degree in physics so I know. But knowing the science of things doesn't make us act and feel more robotic. We are still human, we have vulnerabilities. Thats the point of this video. It helps us come to terms with it.
aps6666 3 months ago
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@aps6666 I just face palmd myself after reading this. Lady I'm on my 3rd language I play the guitar I do creative writing and I have produced and compose my own music so back off about not being an artist... We are all artist, and scientist in one way our more. Bottom line if you sleep better at night beliving in the supernatural then thats great for you...that's just not me. We resort to the supernatural when we don't have answers.
martin6ariza 3 months ago
Great
colonyable 4 months ago
Poems are thunders:D That is SOO TRUE!!!!
I never manage 2 write a decent poem on purpose, cuz whenever I force myself I just hit a wall. In my normal status I feel like a stupid writer!!! and sometimes later when I read some of my best work, I feel like I can't take the credit for it, cuz its not rlly me!!! XD
littlep0li 4 months ago
beautiful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wildberries81 4 months ago
She is so smart and sweet! My favorite author ever! Ole Liz! Thanks for your books.
monicdgs 4 months ago
She's so beautiful.... <3
Hor44 4 months ago
Damn nice MILF, would do her a favor :)
TheOne42 4 months ago
She may be 40, but she looks 20.
slayerkid0196 5 months ago
brilliant.
jacobtdudley 5 months ago
I was so thrilled after hearing this talk and so dissapointed after consequently watching the movie
drmedwuast 5 months ago
Cool! Bring back the ancient wisdom. In science today it would be morphic fields personified. Funny she goes from a interesting person to a cutting edge thinker @ 09:25 ! If we did this then science and religion would unite with both getting what they want.
3877michael 5 months ago
That was incredibly moving! What a gift to come across this talk on this day.
inn0v8tiv 5 months ago
I don't think I've ever felt so inspired as I do now...amazing talk!
ElleKatey1 5 months ago
she seems to be gifted not only in writing but also in speaking! love her writing style!
DanushkaMedawatte 5 months ago
"A new way to think about creativity"? What a meaningless phrase. Creativity IS new ways of thinking.
JeffersonDinedAlone 5 months ago
dude that was a fucking beautiful speech
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youneekk 6 months ago
How does writing nonfiction about your own experiences have anything to do with creativity or art?
LetsGoGate13 6 months ago
"Taking the challenge of 'How do I follow Continuum?'; We were saying you don't follow it at all, you just leave it and you step to the side and you begin something completely new."
John Mayer on doing the next record after his praised album "Continuum"
drmedwuast 6 months ago
Creativity is such a fascinating discussion. While I may not have an interest in what she writes, she certainly has a great thing about her words. I'm glad TED shared this. Great talk.
FalseMapTurtle1 6 months ago
transcending into the universal stream of consciousness
mys628 6 months ago
@mys628 I've done it once before. I was off my face on LSD :D
valacia1991 5 months ago
María te amo!!!!
eljaimillo 6 months ago
I feel this anxiety without having a type of creative career. I think the individual is responsible for creating something but the question is: can they handle it?
Tessitura92 6 months ago
For anyone saying this is not "worthy" of a TED talk perhaps you should let the TED body decide that and they gave her a standing ovation which is a rare occasion at these events.
robcasekennedy 6 months ago
Creativity IS just a mild form of insanity... No, really. Creativity happens when some sort of pathways in the brain that have to do with association or something like that aren't working right. I read an article somewhere..
CrashFu 6 months ago
For the people who have previously commented that this is not a TED worthy talk I would like to see them get up on stage in front of hundreds of people on a stage with such prestige and give a talk with that much warmth and humour. She was freakin inspiring, even if her actual concept was a little far fetched.
lilteenyweenytuna 6 months ago
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Warmth?!? At one point she literally blames the audience for the hardships of the creative types.
LetsGoGate13 6 months ago 2
I prefer Terry Pratchet's take on the topic though.
8something2original8 6 months ago
I can't help but think her thoughts are too internal and disconnected from the real world. Some of her ideas are about herself not about other people's opinions which she claims they are. Why not consider creativity a matter of circumstance and creativity as well as down to each person? That's my take on it. Overall a brilliant talk.
8something2original8 6 months ago
I can't help but think her thoughts are too internal and disconnected from the real world. Some of her ideas are about herself not about other people's opinions which she claims they are. But a brilliant talk :)
8something2original8 6 months ago
She seems like a cool person and I love her sense of humor. We'd get along.
Charmer3oh3 6 months ago
Not really a TED-worthy talk.
Interesting, but not on par with the rest of the speakers.
3point14rat 6 months ago
Ted talks: speakers sounding smart to dumb people
suchafool990 7 months ago
@suchafool990 suchafool990: Youtube troll sounding dumb to smart people.
Hauris 6 months ago
By humility and fear of the Lord are riches, and honor, and life. Bravo for giving credit where credit is due...no wonder He found a vessel!
cdagsands 7 months ago
By humility and fear of the Lord are riches, and honor, and life. Bravo for giving credit where credit is due...no wonder He found a vessel!
cdagsands 7 months ago
On topic: she's recommending a hell of a lot of ego annihilation for the sake of circumventing psychology. Normally people like, take ayahuasca or whatever for that kind of thing.
RamadaArtist 7 months ago
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that was funny!!
fertrias 6 months ago
It's weird that talented writers nowadays need to be stand-up comedians also to gain publicity.
GreenMindist 7 months ago
seems like when you some how can get the ego out of the way, true art comes through in perfection.
jesscialynwarren 7 months ago
I love this
otismg 7 months ago
Yes, from our limited human/physical dimension Spirit cannot be fully understood (not by a long shot). Only the immature or arrogant expect otherwise. Creative brilliance is the only human trait that often occurs randomly and unreliably. Most great thinkers, inventors and artists have explained how they apparently channel their genius (whether it's a blip or a stream). They all feel humility and gratitude, which are powerful spiritual traits every person needs (plus enduring reward).
StarCoded 8 months ago 2
I can't stand these attempts to attach a vague 'spirituality' to anything and everything. The lows are an important feature of the creative mind because they provide context for the highs, among other things. The trick is to accept that we are just animals with weaknesses and frailty, but that we are capable of brilliance. When even a glimpse of that brilliance reveals itself, we NEED to accept every bit of credit we deserve. That is how we transcend, not through handing off credit to the wind.
ProfessorYumYum 8 months ago 2
@ProfessorYumYum i completely agree. so yes, there's a lot of pressure on her about her next book, but there's no need to attach so much spirituality and god into it. if that works for her, than that's fine, but teaching it to others seems kind of like it would bring them down, like they didn't achieve what they did themselves, but someone else did it for them. if you achieved something great you deserve the credit, and you just need to work hard to achieve greatness again.
BunnysaurusEatsAll 7 months ago
@ProfessorYumYum Have YOU ever written an amazing book? Are YOU a great poet? If so, I'll listen to what you have to say about creativity. My own personal theory links in with particle nonlocality at the quantum level. In other words, it's kind of like an internet connection. At certain moments, the connection is remarkably strong, and we see a great deal more than we do normally. But who/what is responsible for this incredible connection? That's what she's referring to.
Logos612 7 months ago 2
@Logos612 As it happens, I'm a visual artist. I also happen to know a little something about quantum physics. Enough to know that your theory is nothing but straw grasping. As Terry Pratchet so beautifully put it, "Let's call it quantum' is not an explanation." What she's referring to is finding a way to circumvent the emotional stresses of creativity. A devaluing and cowardly way, in my opinion. Of course, I'm only an artist who suffers from depression.
ProfessorYumYum 7 months ago
@ProfessorYumYum Well, if you are suffering from depression, I certainly empathize. I went through that for an entire year. However, I doubt I am "grasping for straws" as it were. If you'll really pay attention in your own life...recall that there were certain points in which a "dejavu" experience or the like suddenly led you to predict the near future (i.e. this is a crossroads for me). This strange affair is my primary concern, if it wasn't clear.
Logos612 1 month ago
@Logos612 What are you even trying to say? Are you inferring that some part of our brain is in an indeterminate quantum state that is free to interact and entangle with... something(?)... that would then later communicate to it at a distance by being defined through decoherence and thus somehow inspiring us? Because that's (very generally) what nonlocality refers to. Particles *themselves* at not nonlocal, their interactions are.
RamadaArtist 7 months ago 2
@RamadaArtist I apologize for my lack of clarity. I must say that Pavlov's attribution is the overlying principle in this sort of thing. That is...I have observed my friends attempt to come up with novel stuff. When I hear the novel stuff, and trace it back for them, suddenly their "novelty" is deflated with the understanding that it can be traced back to something. I think I may have been drunk in my first comment if I was trying to explain this in quantum terms.
Logos612 1 month ago
@ProfessorYumYum Well put.
Gorshkin111 3 months ago