I'd still liked to have known a bit more about Rafael as he came across as a very dodgey character in terms of the way he acted and how he spoke to people.
Sorry but if no one thinks Olli isn't being insensitive here then I do despair. I know Christian has done him a lot wrong, A LOT. But come on, to actually pash your new lover in front of your husband (soon to be ex). It just shows to me a lack of respect to himself, Christian, his feelings and their relationship. Is it any surprise it blew up the way it did at the dinner table.
And Olli do you really think the house is the only thing that connects you to Christian?! How about your hearts/souls.
Thanks so much May - wow, the hits just keep on coming!!! :( - It was just like a re-run of the Rob thing, only Christian was mistaken this time - boo hoo!!! Its really asking alot of Christian to be cool with Olli & R making out in front of him like that - I do love a jealous Christian though and we have had lots of him recently - I like what Olli said about the Theresa thing not meant to be taken seriously but the intention that he and Rafael were something real - nein! ~ CHROLLI FOREVER!!!
I also think that Jessica is right about having sex xD LoL and a long time ago a lot of you guys said that you wanted more drama for Chrolli and the writers created drama and I like the drama theyu are giving them and I also want Chrolli to be back and I do think that they will be back together :D
I can't believe I was correct! I knew that Rafael got a job and that he put money in that box thingy xD I never would have thought I was right!!! Well IdK about you guys but I like Rafael and I want Olli to be happy and he is happy with Rafael....I also like how Christian was wrong about Rafael xD and don't think that I don't like Christian I like him but if Christian had chances to get Olli back and he kinda missed it and he should really listen to his relationship advice
I used to watch Chrolli religiously in 2008-2010. VL and this storyline brought me great pleasure - the first male-male romance I'd ever encountered on television. With depth, colour, passion. Above all, two compelling, interesting characters. And hot love scenes. Then the writers forced the split-up via the absurd Jessica Incident. I gave up. Now I'm back. The ludicrous plot devices abound. As before. But they're still two very attractive, entertaining characters. Even Jessica is bearable.
Disgusting, is it really necessary for Olli to make out with Rafael in front of everyone as if they are some newly married couple? that too in front of Christian, it's the most awful thing to do.
WTF! How much more simpler will they make Christian out to be? Did he really believe Raphael would steal from Olli right in front of him? Jeez the writers have really stooped to ultimate lows.
im sorry, but the caps dont seem to be working for me. i know im behind on the story a bit, but please dont punish me for it (j/k) ^_^ any help would be appreciated, thnx!
Well, I think that we are going to have a lot more of free time on our hands. Can we say it is REALLY over now? I do not know why the writers keep writing this scenario over and over again. My patients are wearing very thin with this plot line now. We have seen this back and forth for months now. I will stay on a couple more episodes, but I do not have high hopes. Another great gay story smashed into the dirt again. I was just hoping that this would have been a bit different
Come on writers !! about time Christian found his own hottie - this storyline is frustrating and completely stupid ... I think the writers don't live in the real world...
This is getting torturing! Why they keep missing each other. They apparently are still deeply in love to each other, what has got into the script writer's mind to torture us fans like this! Make Rafael disappear! He is such a home wrecker!
@MrLife23, Agreed 100%. Hey we all love chrolli since back then. So why the sudden change of heart? They r a great couple..and we shud support both, not condeming either one..
i'm pissed off. if you're a chrollie fan, you're supposed to want them to get back together, and not to marvel at ollie's new hot boyfriend. i'm team no one but it pisses me off when ollie fans make it seem like christian is the only one at fault. hell no both christian and ollie made some pretty damn stupid mistakes and it takes two to make a relationship fail.
Note to Christian: YOU IDIOT! You tell Hagen, Andi, et al that "It's none of my business anymore" & then make a complete fool of yourself by letting your temper get the best of you AGAIN! You've already blown at least 4 opportunities to tell Olli how you feel & yet you tell him while he's obviously eager to hear you tell him you love him & don't want the divorce that you DO want the divorce! This approach/avoidance dance is leading to disaster for both of you & driving us nuts. TELL HIM!
oh btw if you're rooting for ollie and rafael why don't you go and start making their storyline and because i'm pissed as hell when you come in here (a chrollie clip) and talk about how you think rafael is a more noble person than our stupid jealous christian and that he should have the right to make out with ollie in front of christian and expect it to be a "friendly" gesture even tho chrollie hasn't divorced yet. seriously ollie fans you're starting to piss me off.
OH MY GOD!!! people! if its happy happy all the time, where is the excitement? let there be MORE MORE MORE DRAMA!!! I'm seriously loving it! its a SOAP. hello?
At the end of the day, we all know Christian and Olli will get back together. It's just a matter of when they will. Too bad they're too stubborn to admit they love one another.
The problem is there is no hope left for us to expect that something miraculous will happen to bring Olli and Christian together again. coz Rafael seems confident and maybe he'll never give Christian the chance to make Olli leave him . Even Olli will never find a reason to leave Rafael unless he does something really wrong
Part of me say :At times its better to let goo && move on to find someone else who will make you happier. Do your heart a favor, turn around and leave. It may not be what you want but its what you need...
another part of me say :Love does not begin and end the way we seem to think it does. Love is a battle, love is a war; love is a growing up.Pushing away doesn't cause things to come together, all it causes is for things to be pushed away.
if we look at other perspective, the 'temporary separation' is actually a way to rekindle thier love for one another. Though right now, they are too stupid to admit that they r misrable without each other..but after watching this episode, I am sure i saw alot of sparks in the air..lets pray those sparks will soon blossom
and i'm surprised that so many people think rafael is innocent. oh no lol rafael is possibly one of the most cunning characters i've seen in this storyline. basically a homewrecker, he makes sure that no one can find an excuse to turn against him. tbh i think he's a clingy and suspicious bastard. i don't care that many of these Ollie's fans find him innocent and "better than Christian", i maintain that Rafael is an asshole who needs to fuck off.
Ironically I have noticed, Olli is with Rafael due to needing someone who shows how much they mean to him, even though Olli has a missplaced need for Raf. This is something Christian expressed about himself on New Years Eve 2007. Olli is needing Christian to show him how much he means to Christian, and Christian as far as I can see is doing that, flowers, running after the taxi & accusing Rafael.
The signs are there, Chrolli are about to reconcile. Olli listens for once to Christian's accusations, even though they are based on jealousy. Christian's jealous nature is making him fight for Olli, and even though it back-fired now, if Olli just takes a moment to see what is really going on, he will notice this. ...continued
this whole "who cheated first" argument should be put to rest because seriously it doesn't matter who cheated first, cheating is cheating. they are technically still a married couple, and they still have feelings for each other so there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for both of them to go fuck other people. are they that desperate for sex?
ok, i've been trying to keep this to myself but, I CANT!! first, OMG! Christian is soOO hot, those jeans...mmmm..lol, second he is wrong! he cheated first, and rubbed that horse face slut on Oli's face, not once, not twice!! many times! third, he's still HOT! and finally...Rafael looks way older than 18 or 19 or whatever age he's supposed to be!lol still, those blue eyes (christian's)...drive me LOCA!! lol
Leute (guys) as Olli would say, calm down..Choosing sides is the end of the road because from now there is no way you can enjoy the show. We are all devastated which was started with Christian's cheatings and Olli's anger following..The problem is this is a SOAP but the initial 2 years was so well written and beyond the Soap that we all feel let down. This was too good to be true and there are two ways for the writers: either continue as a bad soap or tidy this mess with subtle writing again..
Is it weird of me to say that in my alternate reality I say nothing happened between Christian and Jessica? Seriously, thinking of this from the point of view of the script that's how it was written...of course, I haven't been in love so I don't know how I'd feel...but I say I'd want more proof. He got drunk and maybe his hands, face, etc landed somewhere, but I doubt him and Andi completely had sex with her. Yup. That's my alternate reality and now I want to see it be left in the past!!
HEY, EVERYBODY! Why should we be at each others throats? It is not Christian and Olli who derserve our anger, it is the WRITERS. I say we boycott this farse until they are able to give us a ligitimate outcome to this mess. MercuryMay, you will have to send me, at least, a personal message to let me know it is safe to put my heart back into this blender. Enjoy the chaos. Ta!
A NOTE TO THE WRITERS: You have us now but don't be so sure that we can endure this ridiculous storyline forever. You may wake one day and find we have all gone.
Another reminder. This dinner table kiss that some folks are pivoting their contempt on for Olli isn't comparable to Chris's many instances, to one degree or another. of displays of infidelity. As I mentioned in my other post, this is all happening because they have agreed to divorce. Therefore, the understanding should be that the relationship is ending and they're in the process of making it official. In light of this, Chris has no claims on Olli or the way he should conduct himself
Just a reminnder, Olli and Chris are in the process of getting a divorce. They have been separated for months. In this situation, quite a few people begin dating others as well as become involved with new lovers. None of which is unusual to expect in such circumstances. Olli's and Rafael's kiss at the dinner table could hardly be called "making out." It's a casual display of affection between two lovers. Happens all the time...and it's not untoward behavior.
@JordanjamesX Aha! I knew it! You're hooked on Christian's looks & that's why you defend him no matter how bad his behavior gets. :-)) I think both Jo & Thore are gorgeous men & would find it difficult to choose one over the other on the basis of looks. When I say what I do about Christian it's just to keep the record straight. I would do the same if someone were being totally one-sided about praising Olli in this mess. They've both behaved badly, but Christian is the one who cheated.
@JordanjamesX I agree that Olli's PDA with Rafael in front of Christian is wrong, but you seem to have forgotten about Christian's making out with some blonde chick just before he made out with Rebecca at the No Limits party in front of their friends & a lot of other people--while he & Olli were still together--& did it spitefully to hurt Olli. And the photos of that appeared on a tabloid Web site. Was that somehow "classier" behavior?
If the writers do reconcile Chrolli I'm starting to wonder if they plan to be telling a story about 2 co-dependent men who love/hate each other, keep hurting each other, but stay obsessed with each other in a destructive relationship. If so, I'm outta here! That wasn't the purpose or attraction of the Chrolli story.
Have you guys though about - "Taylor Swift - The Story About Us" is just perfect for this story right now? "Now I'm standing alone in a crowded room And we're not speaking And I'm dying to know, is it killing you Like it's killing me I don't know what to say since a twist of fate When it all broke down And the story of us looks a lot like a tragedy now" It truly is but I really hope they will be together. They are perfect together, even what they have done for each other.. They have to speak..
Sometimes the writing is so bad it's funny. Rafa thinks that feeding Christian paella will make him accept him as Olli's new boyfriend. Olli thinks Christian should be ok with him kissing Rafa at the table and conveniently forgets how upset he was about Christian shagging Theresa. Christian believes that every guy interested in Olli has to be a crook and Jessica makes jokes about their 3 some. All that's left is for Olli to decide to sell the building because Christian was mean to his twink.
i mean i can't get over the fact that they cheat so proudly in the vicinity of their partners. chris fucked that chick in ollie's aunt's apartment and ollie fucked that latino twink in the apartment chris is living in. what is wrong with these people? don't they have a conscience? the story is so fucked up that it enrages me, but what enrages me more is that it is just some cheap tricks of the writers to make it more dramatic at the expense of characters' consistency. I don't know this chrollie.
now there are team Christian and team Ollie but guess what I'm team no one because at this point thanks to the stupid writing both of them are shitty assholes who deserve neither love nor sympathy. they both cheat and seem pretty proud of it. they are too full of themselves to even apologize. they are too insensitive to their married partner.
I actually hope Rafael isn't a bad guy. The difference I see was that Rob was smug and sinister whereas Rafael is more sensitive and nervous. In Majorca, he was pretty nice around people and was really into Ollie. If they make him bad, they're just finding a quick and easy reason for Chrolli to be rekindled, which I doubt would work. They already got back together after the Rob and Rebecca issue, but eventually ran into more problems. They can't keep blaming other people for the break-up.
both Christian and Ollie could use a little less of self-pride and admit that they want to get back together, but no, the writers decided that both of them should be consistently stubborn dickheads who don't give a fuck about their partner's feelings. at least for the last 50 episodes they have dragged out all of this "i want you but you have to say it first, meanwhile i'm depressed so i fuck some chick/dude" bullshit. this shitty writing angers me seriously.
i mean wtf it's not ok to go off and fuck someone else just because you have a problem with your current partner. time and time again BOTH christian and ollie have used the excuse of "i was disappointed in you so i fuck that guy/girl to console myself" not a single sincere apology was given by either sides about their blatant cheating. and the CONSTANT unbearable tendency of both christian and ollie to deviate from being honest with each other is really painful to watch.
i just got introduced to chrollie and i marathon all of their storyline clips on youtube in 3 days. i must say i'm very disappointed in the writing of recent episodes. it's like i can't recognize the characters anymore. moreover, i feel like a fool because i know that nobody in real life would act as unreasonably as christian and ollie and that the writers just wanted to cause drama for the sake of it. as a fan of this show i must say i feel very betrayed.
Had Christian simply confronted Rafael in the park, none of the misunderstanding would have happened later. But of course, soap operas have to create conflict. At this point I'd rather see Christian end up with some other guy that actually appreciates him.
Christian blurting out "rent boy!" had me in stitches... his face! The "Theresa wasn't to be taken seriously" comment from Olli was odd given how much of a big deal he made about it when it was happening.
@GuestEightyFour Yeah, I think what he meant was that there was no real feelings for her involved, but you're right that it was a very big deal at the time. I think that was definitely the point at which Olli washed his hands of Christian as a spouse--as he should have done.
This drives me insane! Olli started this crap when he went behind Christian's back to get another foster child. Granted, Christian needs to learn to talk about his feelings but Olli needs to learn to listen. They have both been selfish and bull headed and they have both done some really stupid things to hurt each other. I do not understand why one gets more blame than the other. Team Olli? Team Christian? What about Team CHROLLI? It seams many here are as RIDICULOUS as Christian and Olli are!
@ETSINTERIORS Agreed. As the situation is at the moment, I feel for Rafeal. He is an inocent caught up in an emotional feud. It is clear that Olli is not interested in Rafeal, he is never happy or delighted when Rafael is around. At times at the dinner table I could see that Olli was glad when Christian challenged Raf. Also for me it was clear that Olli wanted so badly to believe Christians accusations, and for that he went to check the cash register, a move in the right direction.
@ETSINTERIORS I agree abouth how silly team Oli and team Christian thing is,both teams seem to be entrenched as much as Christian and Oli in the blame game...me I am team Chrolli all the way and when they get back together I will just blank out these few months, he stupid storyline/bad writing,the implausable friendships,the incontinuity errors (I know I keep going on about this but the grey cardigan Christian is wearinmg was supposed to belost in the fire) & be totally happy and move on
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I know he isn't that happy with Rafael ... and if what he needs is to be with Christian , then i wish things get better again between them . Though i'm 90% against Christian's behavior .
Olli is going to regret what he said big time. With Christian, I'm not entirely convince Rafael is all that innocent, not b/c he's w/Olli, but b/c Olli has a habit w/picking up strays and quickly falls for whatever they tell him. As for Christian being strong about the whole Rafael and Olli item, I really don't think he's as strong as everyone thinks, he's going through the emotions of not being able to be w/Olli.
@menRmemorable I was actually expecting (hoping) for a Jimmy Cagney/May Clark grapefruit-in-the-face moment. Christian seemed ready to hit Ollie and Ollie seems oblivious to how he's hurting Christian by carrying on with the kid under his nose. Or, is it designed to hurt him back? Rafael may actually be the most mature of the three at this point. I think that Rafael will eventually realize that Ollie still loves Christian as much as Christian love him and the boy will return to Spain.
@winsboy, I think Rafael is quietly enjoying Christian making a fool of himself in front of Olli, this gives Rafael the upper hand to be w/Olli w/o him pining over Christian. I seriously doubt he'll go quietly into the night w/o fighting for Olli.
i really think that its amazing that Christian still hasn't resorted to self harm yet. Since VL is a show known for exploring issues maybe depression might be a good thing to show (its not realistic that Christian can be strong all the time!)
There is no way Olli loves that stupid scumbag Raulphial or whatever his name is. Olli loves Christian and Christian loves Olli. If only they would realize this and get back together. :(
@OliverTwist2013 I agree. In fact, dumbass Jessica may actually be right about Chrolli finding the solution to their problems waiting just beneath their sheets. It would have been much more in character for their friends to lock them up together in a tower of Lahnstein castle and lose the key until they come to their senses. Right now, I feel a lot more sympathy for Chris than for Ollie - but they both need to be seriously bitch-slapped! All in the name of love, of course.
@winsboy Big fat yes to the slap. They were acting crazy here. Im so glad it was all sorted out, even though Christian almost... well you know what happened. I dont want to spoil it. :) I'm not the biggest fan of Jessica but she has a point. The needed to just have sex, then Christian punch R in the face. Raphidjflkajd; deserves it. But I do feel bad for him, its not his fault he fell for a cutie like Olli. ;)
@LightLife4 but why should Christian have to do this again? Christian was right about Rob all along, he maybe right about Raulph all over my shoes as well. Why does he have to fight for Oliver's respect again?
@JordanjamesX I agree with almost everything you've said, except Christian not engaging in classless acts, he most certainly has. They both have. The difference is Christian started it--who will end it, this is where the maturity comes in.
Olli's character has changed into an inconsiderate jerky trampy dumbass. But he's also VGL; if he repents I'll forgive him. Christian is stunning, as always; why are the writers twisting the knife so long?. I agree w/ sfvniceguy as to their handling of this storyline. Has the high melodrama perhaps been a cover for a lack of creativity, finesse, nuance; (quality)?
What has annoyed me the most in Christian during the last months is what even he himself has said:"I can assure that i love you Olli, but ONLY if you promise that it means something to you" That sounds pretty selfish and it seems to be his attitude nowdays -he just gives up so easily if someone doesn't seem to adore him anymore -there's always someone new around the corner giving him what he wants. Love should be about loving someone unconditionally. His aggressive jealousy isn't about love
I think at the end of the day although C and O really like each other A LOT even after everything that has happened they don't share the same basic values. When Chris says "If I then started making out...right before your very eyes, huh?! Ollie says "Still, that's no reason to behave that badly!" I would strongly disagree!! Does O not have any sense of empathy or compassion? C should never have gone in the first place. I just think Oliver is flaky and far too immature for a lasting relationship.
Chris: Yes,i do! Oliver Sabel,u've shown me what it means to love each other and be there for each other.And when we're fighting and when we make out..up..sorry..u've shown me how to rise above myself,and how to dare to take chances in life,u've shown me who i really am..
Olli:Christian mann, I LOVE U, u're the one i've always been waiting for.The man of my dreams,my soulmate,my other half and i want to share my life with u,for always,no matter what happens.And that's why im asking u,if u also want to share your life
Why whe Olli cries or bitch he's a "drama queen" but when Christian cries or bitch he's "hot" and "awwww"? Stupi stupid double standard! With some fans Olli is doomed, he lose or lose, if he is struggling with the pain of the breakup or mourning at his unfaithful husband (who's fuctraining Theresa for months) is a wimp, but when he's moving on, overcoming his broken heart then he's a jerk, unconsiderate idiot, etc, etc...W...T...F!!
@suzane1065 Because Oliver is a drama queen he doesn't think he immediately attacks Christian and thinks the worse of him. You say Christian is unfaithful but Oliver is abhorrent making out with twinks in front of his husband is classless. Oliver gets pleasure from hurting Christian and although Christian has hurt Oliver he has never done anything as classless as that.
@JordanjamesX Ah! Sure, sure! You're so right, that horrible threesome with the maid of his boss and his husband's bbf was mighty classy.. yeah, sure. And sneaking Theresa into Charlie's apt. and moaning as an old lecher at the risk of being overheard by Olli (well, Charlie was the "lucky") was mighty classy too. So, Olli had to reject his sweet bf's kiss just to please his cheating ex-husbund? Did Olli forced Christian to come to dinner? Who said "we'd better be friends" HUH?
@suzane1065 If you invite someone to your home for dinner and that someone happens to be an ex, civility dictates that you refrain from locking tongues with your new boyfriend even if the new fling initiates it. The entire situation was on tenterhooks and the hosts (Olli and Rafael), both knowing Olli's and Christian's past history, should have shown a bit of decorum.
@daiselladarling I agree with you fully. Rafael's motive for initiating the dinner and the kiss was to lay claim to Olli. Olli went with it to see what Christian's reaction would be. Olli is not happy with Rafael, it is very evident, he wants Christian back, and he is waiting for Christian to give him a sign to kick Raf out and take Christian back, hence the checking of the cash register.
@daiselladarling Decorum? LOL Really I find some comments far too much judgemental to Olli. Since when a little peck counts as nondecorous? They're not in a formal dinner surrounded by strangers, they're in the flat with their flatmates, oh for Eros' sake! If this is your index of decorum why don't you criticize Christian's bad manners all through the dinner? He was the nightmare of any host.I can't get someone can suggest that you'd care for your EX's feelings and hurt your bf's in the process.
I think the point is that Rafa is more Olli's bandaid than boyfriend and that although Olli and Christian have verbally called it quits they are still emotionally involved. The kiss seemed to be more about Olli proving that he had moved forward when he clearly hadn't while Christian is just plain jealous and needing to prove that Rafa is no better than Rob was and therefore not worthy of Olli's attention. The fact Olli went to check the till speaks volumes.
@suzane1065 It was clear to Olli that inviting Christian was a dicey situation. Rafael's paella as a peace offering was nothing more than his chance to rub his present good fortune in Christian's face, sweetness and smiles notwithstanding. And his smooch with Olli was meant to rub salt on the wound. Yes, Christian could have refused the invitation but the invitation should never have been extended. It was a disaster waiting to happen and Olli knew it. He has himself and Raffie to blame.
@daiselladarling I'm just reading the facts as they are displayed to us in the ep, you and other viewers are interpreting some signs that you're imagining, making assumptions about things that the author has not even hinted at all, that manipulative, competitive, scheming Raphael that some fans want to see just exists in their minds, till now Raphael has done nothing but being generous, courteous and understanding to Olli, who was rejected in his last attempt to fix issues with Christian,btw.
@suzane1065 Oh, but you're not! This is not a children's story or a fairy tale. The VL writers haven't just suddenly become less psychologically twisted than they were a few episodes ago. This is a soap. There are always ulterior motives or hidden agendas lurking around the corner. That's moot, however. The crucial thing is this: forewarned is forearmed. Olli should have hoped for the best but planned for the worst. But he doesn't do that. Remember the gambling party and the fine?
@suzane1065 Or really, I should say the writers didn't allow Olli to hope for the best but plan for the worst which, in all honesty, seems so uncharacteristic of him. Olli seems to be someone who generally has all his ducks in a row. When the writers put him in situations that it seems his past history would never have permitted, you end up with an Olli who's a bungler. This dinner scene doesn't ring true for Olli or Christian. It was cliched filler used to add minutes and cheap drama.
@suzane1065 lol you're too innocent. believe me, the writers will definitely make rafael become a bad person. i don't see rafael being generous, courteous and understanding at all. all i see is that he is a shameless homewrecker and ollie and christian are stupid. oh and that was a pretty dumb way to try to fix issues with your soon-to-be ex-husband if you ask me. seriously who the fuck think it's ok to invite the person you're gonna divorce in 3 days to a dinner with your new hot bf lololol
@Mrlife23 LOL I'll have to stick to MercuryMay's rules, so I can't honestly tell you what I think of your comments, because surely I would be admonished by MercuryMay, I'm a fan of both Olli and Christian (but they need not be a couple).... and even tho I'm crazy for Jo Weil I'm just defending Olli because in the last episodes he has been stoned (figuratively) without mercy by Christian's hardcore fans....and I'll keep thinking that Raphael is very pleasant, until the facts prove me wrong. LOL
@suzane1065 I agree with much that you have to say. If people have a take solely on the storyline itself that's fine. However, many of the posts for a while also include digs at Jo Weil that seem to be deliberately provocative. They also go against this channel creator's rules, but seem to go unnoticed. There are a few who've been commenting on this clip since it's been available who fit this describtion. They've approached commenting on this channel consistently in such a manner.
@suzane1065 Smart planning for a party, whether the invitees are friends or acquaintances, probably consists of not inviting not only your Ex, but the very Ex with whom you will be finalizing your divorce in mere days. Talk about sabotage. If it were important to Raffie that Christian be there, it should have been important to Olli that the dinner go off without a hitch. Given what had transpired merely 24-48 hours earlier, one less Raffie kiss probably wouldn't have left Olli love-starved.
@suzane1065 But it was not just a little peck! Oliver makes out with his boyfriend yet a few days ago he was making out with Christian! Oliver is giving out mixed signals no wonder Christian does not know what to think. Next, Oliver tells Christian they should delay the divorce next the guy says he wants him out of his life. There is no CONSISTENCY to Oliver that's why he's a drama queen because he is too emotional and does not know what he wants.
both of them do not know what they want . Christian as well had a great chance to make up with Olli (when Olli found out that he didn't accept the job offer and that he bought flowers for him ) ... when he asked him " what did you want to say to me ? " and he screwed it up by saying : " i want to be friends " ..
i'm always a fan of Olli but i must admit both of them are acting in the same stupid way.
Am I the only person who remembers Christian sitting in No Limits with his arm around Theresa hugging her and taunting Olli and,silently daring him to freak out?
Why are folks so one-sided in their viewing of this situation?
Christian didn't have to attend dinner and Olli shouldn't have to not kiss the man he's dating to make Christian comfortable.
Christian is an adult, not a toddler. He over-reacted.
Think about from the point of writers: You have an internationally loved couple. What were climaxes of their story? They fell in love but it took 45 episodes to get together, to remove the third persons and start a relationship. We also fell in love with the way they ended up marriage. Conflict, passion tension and happy ending. It is a good formula and since they were already married to go through the same path could only be through cheating storyline..They also played on their weaknesses.
@daiselladarling I disagree; trust brings about love, I would even go so far as to say they are synonymous. If you don't trust someone, it is VERY difficult to invest yourself in an "in-love" long term relationship with them. I am of the conviction that love is a commitment to someone; feelings come, feelings can go depending on your mood, health bla bla bla. But if there's trust, loving feelings come back A LOT faster. And I think that's what C&O invested in right? a long term marriage--no? ;)
@samtelvis I trust my physician, I trust my physical therapist, I'm not likely to develop feelings of love for either simply because trust was initially present. Warm fuzzy feelings have to exist first. Trust strengthens and deepens those fuzzy feelings, transforming them into love. If a relationship is founded on trust first and love follows, when a mistake occurs it's done for. If it's founded on fuzzy feelings and trust follows, a mistake may scar it but it can still withstand the trauma.
@daiselladarling Your point is interesting. That one incidence of infidelity does not an "open" relationship make. When it comes to sexual fidelity being the standard for "real love" I would agree with that. Soap operas and a great deal of media propagate this myth that one always feels "in-love" with one's partner. Love ultimately can't just be a feeling, it has to be a commitment at its foundation. Thus marriage vows: in good times and bad...but once trust is broken it is VERY diff. to get bk.
Ollie needs to quit deluding himself by falling in love with twinks, whose commitment may - or may not - be sincere, and return to the man who has loved Ollie for almost four years. Who can ever forget what an idiot the teenager Toby made of Ollie in episode 117. One hopes that the Chrolli relationship can still be repaired but, given the current animosity between C & O, it certainly does not look promising.
@azbreed But I will agree with you: Oliver's self-centredness causes Chris so much pain. Why'd he marry Chris if he didn't think much of his opinion? Chris has a problem with jealousy and anger, no secret there, but does that give Ollie the right to throw it in his face? If your spouse struggled with drinking, would you down a bottle in front of him? Part of taking ownership of one's anger, is not allowing others to make you angry. If I were C. I’d have said, our rel. is over. And I'd mean it.
I'd still liked to have known a bit more about Rafael as he came across as a very dodgey character in terms of the way he acted and how he spoke to people.
LightLife4 4 days ago
Sorry but if no one thinks Olli isn't being insensitive here then I do despair. I know Christian has done him a lot wrong, A LOT. But come on, to actually pash your new lover in front of your husband (soon to be ex). It just shows to me a lack of respect to himself, Christian, his feelings and their relationship. Is it any surprise it blew up the way it did at the dinner table.
And Olli do you really think the house is the only thing that connects you to Christian?! How about your hearts/souls.
CJPDeQueen 3 weeks ago
I feel sorry for Christian this is all jealous! And I was totally wrong. Rafael is good guy!
MsDangaga 1 month ago
Thanks so much May - wow, the hits just keep on coming!!! :( - It was just like a re-run of the Rob thing, only Christian was mistaken this time - boo hoo!!! Its really asking alot of Christian to be cool with Olli & R making out in front of him like that - I do love a jealous Christian though and we have had lots of him recently - I like what Olli said about the Theresa thing not meant to be taken seriously but the intention that he and Rafael were something real - nein! ~ CHROLLI FOREVER!!!
coyleJ 1 month ago
'I've got eye cancer from these things'!!! LOL!
justme20091000 1 month ago
I love it when Christian gets jealous, he pulls the funniest of faces!!
justme20091000 1 month ago
esa pasiva es una trepadora social de tercera!!!!!!!!!!!! que alguien la cachetee por mi
JoseAurelianoHD 1 month ago
I think Olli is sort of insensitive, always kissing Rafael infront of Christian. He can see what it is doing to him :(
Tanjaree1 1 month ago 4
I also think that Jessica is right about having sex xD LoL and a long time ago a lot of you guys said that you wanted more drama for Chrolli and the writers created drama and I like the drama theyu are giving them and I also want Chrolli to be back and I do think that they will be back together :D
demonwolffox15 1 month ago
I can't believe I was correct! I knew that Rafael got a job and that he put money in that box thingy xD I never would have thought I was right!!! Well IdK about you guys but I like Rafael and I want Olli to be happy and he is happy with Rafael....I also like how Christian was wrong about Rafael xD and don't think that I don't like Christian I like him but if Christian had chances to get Olli back and he kinda missed it and he should really listen to his relationship advice
demonwolffox15 1 month ago
Team Christian
ricaaaify 2 months ago
LMAO The way Chris said "rent boy" the look hahaha EPIC!!!!
fatlo971 2 months ago
hä? in one scene the dog is there and in the other it's gone?? magic?? ^^
Lockedilock 2 months ago
I LOVE sassy, bitchy, jealous Christian!!
And ugh, I hate to admit it but Rafael is growing on me. He seems to be really genuine and sweet >_< (still Team Christian though!)
flipboidex 2 months ago
I used to watch Chrolli religiously in 2008-2010. VL and this storyline brought me great pleasure - the first male-male romance I'd ever encountered on television. With depth, colour, passion. Above all, two compelling, interesting characters. And hot love scenes. Then the writers forced the split-up via the absurd Jessica Incident. I gave up. Now I'm back. The ludicrous plot devices abound. As before. But they're still two very attractive, entertaining characters. Even Jessica is bearable.
jarabaa 2 months ago
FUCK OLLI AND HIS RAFAEL. LOVE U CHRISTIAN.
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@Westlife344131420
Fuck Christian and all the women he slept with ... Love U Olli :p
coldmemories1 1 month ago 3
@coldmemories1 That's your opinion. I suggest next time if you wanna write your opinion, you do it without telling me honey. Thanks lol
Westlife344131420 1 month ago
@coldmemories1
I love Olli, too ;)
Britin85 1 month ago
@bargalad
Rob kissed Olli, Olli pulled away, and told Chris about it right away
Chris slept with Jessica, no doubt about it, she felt way too guilty about it once she befriended Olli to have been able to lie about it
Who the hell is Toby!? xD
They are seperated and getting a divorce, Olli is now allowed to sleep with whomever
Chris slept with Theresa before Olli met Rafael, and she was the reason he felt he could!
Sorry, your comments have no backbone xD
DavidHPihl 2 months ago
Through out the beginning of the dinner, every comment snide comment Christian made had a silent Mroawr attached to it lol ^-^
Twas epic this scene though lol
Dracosynth 2 months ago
haha at 5:41 that man who likes dana looks like a freak when he ask about reasions
Sco2b 2 months ago
IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE,,OH C'MON OLLIE YOU MADE CHRISTIAN GAY,AND NOW YOU JUST LEAVING HIM JUST LIKE THAT....NO MERCY
chrolli83 2 months ago
Disgusting, is it really necessary for Olli to make out with Rafael in front of everyone as if they are some newly married couple? that too in front of Christian, it's the most awful thing to do.
rajmaryan13 2 months ago 2
Ollie should go boil his head.
POPRONNY 2 months ago
i actually really like Rafael....
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WTF! How much more simpler will they make Christian out to be? Did he really believe Raphael would steal from Olli right in front of him? Jeez the writers have really stooped to ultimate lows.
scarpien 2 months ago
@ 9:32 the image of Olli and Raphael kissing forms the shape of a heart with Christian's face smack dab in the middle.
scarpien 2 months ago
im sorry, but the caps dont seem to be working for me. i know im behind on the story a bit, but please dont punish me for it (j/k) ^_^ any help would be appreciated, thnx!
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@silverflipchic I had to refresh the page a couple of times before it came on. It does work in the end ;').
MegaLollypop27 2 months ago
I'm not seeing the English subtitles. Is anyone else having this problem?
sportinlife 2 months ago
where's the nov. 30 upload?
MrAndee40s 2 months ago 4
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@coldmemories1 I CHECK IT ON THEIR FAN PAGE ON FB.....ON THORE'S OWN
jkarock99 2 months ago
i laugh at Christian's smile @ 04:30 ...
as if he said to himself : " finally i got that son of a bitch Rafael .."
coldmemories1 2 months ago 3
@coldmemories1 Hahaha yeah kinda evil smile too :p
cath2204 2 months ago
Well, I think that we are going to have a lot more of free time on our hands. Can we say it is REALLY over now? I do not know why the writers keep writing this scenario over and over again. My patients are wearing very thin with this plot line now. We have seen this back and forth for months now. I will stay on a couple more episodes, but I do not have high hopes. Another great gay story smashed into the dirt again. I was just hoping that this would have been a bit different
2hunt4u 2 months ago
@2hunt4u Im SOOO with you there.
shidehp 2 months ago in playlist CHRISTIAN and OLIVER
Dear May, I have no idea if you really read all the comments to each episode, but if so, I feel very very sorry for you .
If I were you , I would ban all comments !!!! because 90% of them are just pointless nonsense :/ and can cause only headaches .
MegaEmma67 2 months ago
Tell me again Olli's not a bitch...
Pracaloid 2 months ago
@Pracaloid Can't do that because he obviously IS being a bitch in this instance!
sfvniceguy 2 months ago
Grrrr... R has to be a bastard.. Writters: don't make hem a nice boy :-)
lode999 2 months ago
Come on writers !! about time Christian found his own hottie - this storyline is frustrating and completely stupid ... I think the writers don't live in the real world...
chillbree 2 months ago
why doesn't the cement cover Rafael too? :D
coldmemories1 2 months ago
This is getting torturing! Why they keep missing each other. They apparently are still deeply in love to each other, what has got into the script writer's mind to torture us fans like this! Make Rafael disappear! He is such a home wrecker!
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Have faith people! They will be ONE again!
Exorxist85 2 months ago
@MrLife23, Agreed 100%. Hey we all love chrolli since back then. So why the sudden change of heart? They r a great couple..and we shud support both, not condeming either one..
Exorxist85 2 months ago
i'm pissed off. if you're a chrollie fan, you're supposed to want them to get back together, and not to marvel at ollie's new hot boyfriend. i'm team no one but it pisses me off when ollie fans make it seem like christian is the only one at fault. hell no both christian and ollie made some pretty damn stupid mistakes and it takes two to make a relationship fail.
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suzane1065 2 months ago
Now some people here are defending Christian because he didn't have sex with females the past couple of episodes :D
i'm sure if he does , they'll rage over his behavior and defend Olli instead .
coldmemories1 2 months ago
wow, the writers better get these two together soon; otherwise Chrolli fans will turn into "Cruelly" fans.
twicelovely 2 months ago
@twicelovely LOL
chillbree 2 months ago
Note to Christian: YOU IDIOT! You tell Hagen, Andi, et al that "It's none of my business anymore" & then make a complete fool of yourself by letting your temper get the best of you AGAIN! You've already blown at least 4 opportunities to tell Olli how you feel & yet you tell him while he's obviously eager to hear you tell him you love him & don't want the divorce that you DO want the divorce! This approach/avoidance dance is leading to disaster for both of you & driving us nuts. TELL HIM!
sfvniceguy 2 months ago 2
Jo even said in an interview that he would like to see Chrollie 2.0 but that Ollie needs to have some fun first...so we can only hope.
amk130ful 2 months ago
HGi MercuryMay just a word of thanks, hope all is well with you.
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Ok so ... that was the last episode so far and ... and ... they're still not back together.
Why? Why? WHY???
I need to go to bed and dream a happy ending to this story. Now.
Also, it sounds like my apartment building is about to fall down. That can't be good.
For the last time this round: THANK YOU a billion times for the uploads, MercuryMay. You rock my Chrolli-obsessed world.
HerdisMarie 2 months ago
hang in there people things only get better that's all I'm prepared to say
Pyraince 2 months ago
oh btw if you're rooting for ollie and rafael why don't you go and start making their storyline and because i'm pissed as hell when you come in here (a chrollie clip) and talk about how you think rafael is a more noble person than our stupid jealous christian and that he should have the right to make out with ollie in front of christian and expect it to be a "friendly" gesture even tho chrollie hasn't divorced yet. seriously ollie fans you're starting to piss me off.
Mrlife23 2 months ago
OH MY GOD!!! people! if its happy happy all the time, where is the excitement? let there be MORE MORE MORE DRAMA!!! I'm seriously loving it! its a SOAP. hello?
surita88 2 months ago 15
At the end of the day, we all know Christian and Olli will get back together. It's just a matter of when they will. Too bad they're too stubborn to admit they love one another.
uohcmik 2 months ago
Ahahaha, Rent boy! Oh you German soaps!
miraam2012 2 months ago 15
this breakup seems to go on for eternity :(
The problem is there is no hope left for us to expect that something miraculous will happen to bring Olli and Christian together again. coz Rafael seems confident and maybe he'll never give Christian the chance to make Olli leave him . Even Olli will never find a reason to leave Rafael unless he does something really wrong
coldmemories1 2 months ago
Part of me say :At times its better to let goo && move on to find someone else who will make you happier. Do your heart a favor, turn around and leave. It may not be what you want but its what you need...
another part of me say :Love does not begin and end the way we seem to think it does. Love is a battle, love is a war; love is a growing up.Pushing away doesn't cause things to come together, all it causes is for things to be pushed away.
GO CHROLLI <3
TMSkereks 2 months ago
Every relationship has its problems...but what makes it perfect is when you still wanna be there when everything sucks...
TMSkereks 2 months ago
I love how Chris' nostrils flare after saying "Rent boy..." Good acting, Thore!
reieto 2 months ago
i can't stand looking at rafael's face, no matter how hot he is.
Mrlife23 2 months ago
TAKE HIM TO THE STABLES CHRISTIAN THE STABLES RIGH BEHIND U
fight sex is the best
bloomdepp 2 months ago
@bloomdepp
lool
that would be the hottest thing to happen if it happened :p
coldmemories1 2 months ago
if we look at other perspective, the 'temporary separation' is actually a way to rekindle thier love for one another. Though right now, they are too stupid to admit that they r misrable without each other..but after watching this episode, I am sure i saw alot of sparks in the air..lets pray those sparks will soon blossom
Exorxist85 2 months ago
and since i'm so angry right now, i'm just gonna go back and watch chrollie's early episodes to console myself lol
Mrlife23 2 months ago
@Mrlife23 That is what many do, I assure you. Just forget the last 8 months... It goes on and on and on....
everettb100 2 months ago
and i'm surprised that so many people think rafael is innocent. oh no lol rafael is possibly one of the most cunning characters i've seen in this storyline. basically a homewrecker, he makes sure that no one can find an excuse to turn against him. tbh i think he's a clingy and suspicious bastard. i don't care that many of these Ollie's fans find him innocent and "better than Christian", i maintain that Rafael is an asshole who needs to fuck off.
Mrlife23 2 months ago
Ironically I have noticed, Olli is with Rafael due to needing someone who shows how much they mean to him, even though Olli has a missplaced need for Raf. This is something Christian expressed about himself on New Years Eve 2007. Olli is needing Christian to show him how much he means to Christian, and Christian as far as I can see is doing that, flowers, running after the taxi & accusing Rafael.
BruceDBennett 2 months ago
The signs are there, Chrolli are about to reconcile. Olli listens for once to Christian's accusations, even though they are based on jealousy. Christian's jealous nature is making him fight for Olli, and even though it back-fired now, if Olli just takes a moment to see what is really going on, he will notice this. ...continued
BruceDBennett 2 months ago
Jealous!Christian is hilarious. That is all.
jsg03jd 2 months ago 2
this whole "who cheated first" argument should be put to rest because seriously it doesn't matter who cheated first, cheating is cheating. they are technically still a married couple, and they still have feelings for each other so there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for both of them to go fuck other people. are they that desperate for sex?
Mrlife23 2 months ago
@Mrlife23
that's the stupidity of revenge ...
and maybe both of them deserve all the blame . Though i took Olli's side many times
coldmemories1 2 months ago
Oooooh! I couldn't control myself and I just happened to come across the spoilers. I fangirled all over the place. I will say no more.* zips My lips*
paramoregirly 2 months ago
ok, i've been trying to keep this to myself but, I CANT!! first, OMG! Christian is soOO hot, those jeans...mmmm..lol, second he is wrong! he cheated first, and rubbed that horse face slut on Oli's face, not once, not twice!! many times! third, he's still HOT! and finally...Rafael looks way older than 18 or 19 or whatever age he's supposed to be!lol still, those blue eyes (christian's)...drive me LOCA!! lol
faldagirl1 2 months ago
@HFB8819 You are joking right? "He makes Christian a run for his money." LOL.
etone44 2 months ago
Leute (guys) as Olli would say, calm down..Choosing sides is the end of the road because from now there is no way you can enjoy the show. We are all devastated which was started with Christian's cheatings and Olli's anger following..The problem is this is a SOAP but the initial 2 years was so well written and beyond the Soap that we all feel let down. This was too good to be true and there are two ways for the writers: either continue as a bad soap or tidy this mess with subtle writing again..
twicelovely 2 months ago
Is it weird of me to say that in my alternate reality I say nothing happened between Christian and Jessica? Seriously, thinking of this from the point of view of the script that's how it was written...of course, I haven't been in love so I don't know how I'd feel...but I say I'd want more proof. He got drunk and maybe his hands, face, etc landed somewhere, but I doubt him and Andi completely had sex with her. Yup. That's my alternate reality and now I want to see it be left in the past!!
freethinker2091 2 months ago
Seriously if this is what Chrolli is coming to I will be finding me a new couple to obsess over!
amanda22508 2 months ago
HEY, EVERYBODY! Why should we be at each others throats? It is not Christian and Olli who derserve our anger, it is the WRITERS. I say we boycott this farse until they are able to give us a ligitimate outcome to this mess. MercuryMay, you will have to send me, at least, a personal message to let me know it is safe to put my heart back into this blender. Enjoy the chaos. Ta!
ETSINTERIORS 2 months ago
@ETSINTERIORS **legitimate**
ETSINTERIORS 2 months ago
A NOTE TO THE WRITERS: You have us now but don't be so sure that we can endure this ridiculous storyline forever. You may wake one day and find we have all gone.
ETSINTERIORS 2 months ago
Another reminder. This dinner table kiss that some folks are pivoting their contempt on for Olli isn't comparable to Chris's many instances, to one degree or another. of displays of infidelity. As I mentioned in my other post, this is all happening because they have agreed to divorce. Therefore, the understanding should be that the relationship is ending and they're in the process of making it official. In light of this, Chris has no claims on Olli or the way he should conduct himself
designersky 2 months ago
Just a reminnder, Olli and Chris are in the process of getting a divorce. They have been separated for months. In this situation, quite a few people begin dating others as well as become involved with new lovers. None of which is unusual to expect in such circumstances. Olli's and Rafael's kiss at the dinner table could hardly be called "making out." It's a casual display of affection between two lovers. Happens all the time...and it's not untoward behavior.
designersky 2 months ago
They should keep Rafael around so Jessica can have a BFF other than Olli and hopefully be in less Chrolli scenes lol.
DaxShaw 2 months ago
@JordanjamesX Aha! I knew it! You're hooked on Christian's looks & that's why you defend him no matter how bad his behavior gets. :-)) I think both Jo & Thore are gorgeous men & would find it difficult to choose one over the other on the basis of looks. When I say what I do about Christian it's just to keep the record straight. I would do the same if someone were being totally one-sided about praising Olli in this mess. They've both behaved badly, but Christian is the one who cheated.
sfvniceguy 2 months ago 3
@JordanjamesX I agree that Olli's PDA with Rafael in front of Christian is wrong, but you seem to have forgotten about Christian's making out with some blonde chick just before he made out with Rebecca at the No Limits party in front of their friends & a lot of other people--while he & Olli were still together--& did it spitefully to hurt Olli. And the photos of that appeared on a tabloid Web site. Was that somehow "classier" behavior?
sfvniceguy 2 months ago 3
@mibelloaleman I agree completely!! :)
Britin85 2 months ago
@suzane1065
I agree completely!!
Britin85 2 months ago
so he is walking dogs...pfff! i still don´t like raphael
minamoto84 2 months ago
If the writers do reconcile Chrolli I'm starting to wonder if they plan to be telling a story about 2 co-dependent men who love/hate each other, keep hurting each other, but stay obsessed with each other in a destructive relationship. If so, I'm outta here! That wasn't the purpose or attraction of the Chrolli story.
sfvniceguy 2 months ago 7
I'm so glad they consider our Mexican culture on this episode but, a piñata in the middle of a table? LOL ohh Jessica hahahaha
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Fismaja 2 months ago
Sometimes the writing is so bad it's funny. Rafa thinks that feeding Christian paella will make him accept him as Olli's new boyfriend. Olli thinks Christian should be ok with him kissing Rafa at the table and conveniently forgets how upset he was about Christian shagging Theresa. Christian believes that every guy interested in Olli has to be a crook and Jessica makes jokes about their 3 some. All that's left is for Olli to decide to sell the building because Christian was mean to his twink.
Paulie2906 2 months ago 13
i mean i can't get over the fact that they cheat so proudly in the vicinity of their partners. chris fucked that chick in ollie's aunt's apartment and ollie fucked that latino twink in the apartment chris is living in. what is wrong with these people? don't they have a conscience? the story is so fucked up that it enrages me, but what enrages me more is that it is just some cheap tricks of the writers to make it more dramatic at the expense of characters' consistency. I don't know this chrollie.
Mrlife23 2 months ago
@Mrlife23 I think many of us share your feelings.
sfvniceguy 2 months ago
now there are team Christian and team Ollie but guess what I'm team no one because at this point thanks to the stupid writing both of them are shitty assholes who deserve neither love nor sympathy. they both cheat and seem pretty proud of it. they are too full of themselves to even apologize. they are too insensitive to their married partner.
Mrlife23 2 months ago
I actually hope Rafael isn't a bad guy. The difference I see was that Rob was smug and sinister whereas Rafael is more sensitive and nervous. In Majorca, he was pretty nice around people and was really into Ollie. If they make him bad, they're just finding a quick and easy reason for Chrolli to be rekindled, which I doubt would work. They already got back together after the Rob and Rebecca issue, but eventually ran into more problems. They can't keep blaming other people for the break-up.
MrCodyhoskins 2 months ago
both Christian and Ollie could use a little less of self-pride and admit that they want to get back together, but no, the writers decided that both of them should be consistently stubborn dickheads who don't give a fuck about their partner's feelings. at least for the last 50 episodes they have dragged out all of this "i want you but you have to say it first, meanwhile i'm depressed so i fuck some chick/dude" bullshit. this shitty writing angers me seriously.
Mrlife23 2 months ago
i mean wtf it's not ok to go off and fuck someone else just because you have a problem with your current partner. time and time again BOTH christian and ollie have used the excuse of "i was disappointed in you so i fuck that guy/girl to console myself" not a single sincere apology was given by either sides about their blatant cheating. and the CONSTANT unbearable tendency of both christian and ollie to deviate from being honest with each other is really painful to watch.
Mrlife23 2 months ago
i just got introduced to chrollie and i marathon all of their storyline clips on youtube in 3 days. i must say i'm very disappointed in the writing of recent episodes. it's like i can't recognize the characters anymore. moreover, i feel like a fool because i know that nobody in real life would act as unreasonably as christian and ollie and that the writers just wanted to cause drama for the sake of it. as a fan of this show i must say i feel very betrayed.
Mrlife23 2 months ago 2
@Mrlife23 As do many of the rest of us.
sfvniceguy 2 months ago
Had Christian simply confronted Rafael in the park, none of the misunderstanding would have happened later. But of course, soap operas have to create conflict. At this point I'd rather see Christian end up with some other guy that actually appreciates him.
hbfarker 2 months ago
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sfvniceguy 2 months ago
@hbfarker Well, some other guy who actually appreciates him AND his cheating ways...
sfvniceguy 2 months ago
Christian blurting out "rent boy!" had me in stitches... his face! The "Theresa wasn't to be taken seriously" comment from Olli was odd given how much of a big deal he made about it when it was happening.
GuestEightyFour 2 months ago 3
@GuestEightyFour Yeah, I think what he meant was that there was no real feelings for her involved, but you're right that it was a very big deal at the time. I think that was definitely the point at which Olli washed his hands of Christian as a spouse--as he should have done.
sfvniceguy 2 months ago
Ha, ha...wtf was this? Olli about Theresa!???
sometimes I think Olli has two personalities, ugly.
ok, its a soap and I enjoy every second about this couple.
But for real life, a boyfriend like Olli, is my nightmare.
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atagiray 2 months ago
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This drives me insane! Olli started this crap when he went behind Christian's back to get another foster child. Granted, Christian needs to learn to talk about his feelings but Olli needs to learn to listen. They have both been selfish and bull headed and they have both done some really stupid things to hurt each other. I do not understand why one gets more blame than the other. Team Olli? Team Christian? What about Team CHROLLI? It seams many here are as RIDICULOUS as Christian and Olli are!
ETSINTERIORS 2 months ago 10
@ETSINTERIORS Agreed. As the situation is at the moment, I feel for Rafeal. He is an inocent caught up in an emotional feud. It is clear that Olli is not interested in Rafeal, he is never happy or delighted when Rafael is around. At times at the dinner table I could see that Olli was glad when Christian challenged Raf. Also for me it was clear that Olli wanted so badly to believe Christians accusations, and for that he went to check the cash register, a move in the right direction.
BruceDBennett 2 months ago
@ETSINTERIORS I agree abouth how silly team Oli and team Christian thing is,both teams seem to be entrenched as much as Christian and Oli in the blame game...me I am team Chrolli all the way and when they get back together I will just blank out these few months, he stupid storyline/bad writing,the implausable friendships,the incontinuity errors (I know I keep going on about this but the grey cardigan Christian is wearinmg was supposed to belost in the fire) & be totally happy and move on
sabinasabina2010 2 months ago
For all of you outside the EU who want Jo's calendar but haven't found a way to get one: a member of The Gays of Daytime Message Board has offered to send the calendar to people all around the world. If you're interested, send me a PM and I'll give you her email address so you can get in touch with her.
MercuryMay01 2 months ago 3
@MercuryMay01 I'll take Thore's Calendar if there is ever one :P
katanamaster3988 2 months ago
I love you Olli...
or should i say i love you Jo ..
this actor is just beyond awesomeness .
I never had a crush on an actor this way :))
All i want is for Olli to be happy.
I know he isn't that happy with Rafael ... and if what he needs is to be with Christian , then i wish things get better again between them . Though i'm 90% against Christian's behavior .
coldmemories1 2 months ago 4
Olli is going to regret what he said big time. With Christian, I'm not entirely convince Rafael is all that innocent, not b/c he's w/Olli, but b/c Olli has a habit w/picking up strays and quickly falls for whatever they tell him. As for Christian being strong about the whole Rafael and Olli item, I really don't think he's as strong as everyone thinks, he's going through the emotions of not being able to be w/Olli.
menRmemorable 2 months ago 2
@menRmemorable I was actually expecting (hoping) for a Jimmy Cagney/May Clark grapefruit-in-the-face moment. Christian seemed ready to hit Ollie and Ollie seems oblivious to how he's hurting Christian by carrying on with the kid under his nose. Or, is it designed to hurt him back? Rafael may actually be the most mature of the three at this point. I think that Rafael will eventually realize that Ollie still loves Christian as much as Christian love him and the boy will return to Spain.
winsboy 2 months ago
@winsboy, I think Rafael is quietly enjoying Christian making a fool of himself in front of Olli, this gives Rafael the upper hand to be w/Olli w/o him pining over Christian. I seriously doubt he'll go quietly into the night w/o fighting for Olli.
menRmemorable 2 months ago
i really think that its amazing that Christian still hasn't resorted to self harm yet. Since VL is a show known for exploring issues maybe depression might be a good thing to show (its not realistic that Christian can be strong all the time!)
gf2445 2 months ago 3
There is no way Olli loves that stupid scumbag Raulphial or whatever his name is. Olli loves Christian and Christian loves Olli. If only they would realize this and get back together. :(
OliverTwist2013 2 months ago
@OliverTwist2013 I agree. In fact, dumbass Jessica may actually be right about Chrolli finding the solution to their problems waiting just beneath their sheets. It would have been much more in character for their friends to lock them up together in a tower of Lahnstein castle and lose the key until they come to their senses. Right now, I feel a lot more sympathy for Chris than for Ollie - but they both need to be seriously bitch-slapped! All in the name of love, of course.
winsboy 2 months ago
@winsboy Big fat yes to the slap. They were acting crazy here. Im so glad it was all sorted out, even though Christian almost... well you know what happened. I dont want to spoil it. :) I'm not the biggest fan of Jessica but she has a point. The needed to just have sex, then Christian punch R in the face. Raphidjflkajd; deserves it. But I do feel bad for him, its not his fault he fell for a cutie like Olli. ;)
OliverTwist2013 2 months ago
@LightLife4 but why should Christian have to do this again? Christian was right about Rob all along, he maybe right about Raulph all over my shoes as well. Why does he have to fight for Oliver's respect again?
samtelvis 2 months ago
Why was Dana in rehab?
brilusyoutoo 2 months ago
@JordanjamesX I agree with almost everything you've said, except Christian not engaging in classless acts, he most certainly has. They both have. The difference is Christian started it--who will end it, this is where the maturity comes in.
samtelvis 2 months ago
Olli's character has changed into an inconsiderate jerky trampy dumbass. But he's also VGL; if he repents I'll forgive him. Christian is stunning, as always; why are the writers twisting the knife so long?. I agree w/ sfvniceguy as to their handling of this storyline. Has the high melodrama perhaps been a cover for a lack of creativity, finesse, nuance; (quality)?
AbstruseSobriquet 2 months ago
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What has annoyed me the most in Christian during the last months is what even he himself has said:"I can assure that i love you Olli, but ONLY if you promise that it means something to you" That sounds pretty selfish and it seems to be his attitude nowdays -he just gives up so easily if someone doesn't seem to adore him anymore -there's always someone new around the corner giving him what he wants. Love should be about loving someone unconditionally. His aggressive jealousy isn't about love
fillelina 2 months ago 7
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fillelina 2 months ago
I think at the end of the day although C and O really like each other A LOT even after everything that has happened they don't share the same basic values. When Chris says "If I then started making out...right before your very eyes, huh?! Ollie says "Still, that's no reason to behave that badly!" I would strongly disagree!! Does O not have any sense of empathy or compassion? C should never have gone in the first place. I just think Oliver is flaky and far too immature for a lasting relationship.
samtelvis 2 months ago
CONT...
CHROLLI WED VOWS:
most beautiful moment ever :')
Chris: Yes,i do! Oliver Sabel,u've shown me what it means to love each other and be there for each other.And when we're fighting and when we make out..up..sorry..u've shown me how to rise above myself,and how to dare to take chances in life,u've shown me who i really am..
TMSkereks 2 months ago 7
@TMSkereks You are so right.......... and that comes from a straight man.
everettb100 2 months ago
CHROLLI WED VOWS:
most beautiful moment ever :')
Olli:Christian mann, I LOVE U, u're the one i've always been waiting for.The man of my dreams,my soulmate,my other half and i want to share my life with u,for always,no matter what happens.And that's why im asking u,if u also want to share your life
TMSkereks 2 months ago 6
Why whe Olli cries or bitch he's a "drama queen" but when Christian cries or bitch he's "hot" and "awwww"? Stupi stupid double standard! With some fans Olli is doomed, he lose or lose, if he is struggling with the pain of the breakup or mourning at his unfaithful husband (who's fuctraining Theresa for months) is a wimp, but when he's moving on, overcoming his broken heart then he's a jerk, unconsiderate idiot, etc, etc...W...T...F!!
suzane1065 2 months ago 13
@suzane1065 The answer is simple! People have different points of view!
SilviaMuller11 2 months ago 2
@suzane1065 Because Oliver is a drama queen he doesn't think he immediately attacks Christian and thinks the worse of him. You say Christian is unfaithful but Oliver is abhorrent making out with twinks in front of his husband is classless. Oliver gets pleasure from hurting Christian and although Christian has hurt Oliver he has never done anything as classless as that.
JordanjamesX 2 months ago
@JordanjamesX Ah! Sure, sure! You're so right, that horrible threesome with the maid of his boss and his husband's bbf was mighty classy.. yeah, sure. And sneaking Theresa into Charlie's apt. and moaning as an old lecher at the risk of being overheard by Olli (well, Charlie was the "lucky") was mighty classy too. So, Olli had to reject his sweet bf's kiss just to please his cheating ex-husbund? Did Olli forced Christian to come to dinner? Who said "we'd better be friends" HUH?
suzane1065 2 months ago 19
@suzane1065 If you invite someone to your home for dinner and that someone happens to be an ex, civility dictates that you refrain from locking tongues with your new boyfriend even if the new fling initiates it. The entire situation was on tenterhooks and the hosts (Olli and Rafael), both knowing Olli's and Christian's past history, should have shown a bit of decorum.
daiselladarling 2 months ago
@daiselladarling I agree with you fully. Rafael's motive for initiating the dinner and the kiss was to lay claim to Olli. Olli went with it to see what Christian's reaction would be. Olli is not happy with Rafael, it is very evident, he wants Christian back, and he is waiting for Christian to give him a sign to kick Raf out and take Christian back, hence the checking of the cash register.
BruceDBennett 2 months ago
@daiselladarling Decorum? LOL Really I find some comments far too much judgemental to Olli. Since when a little peck counts as nondecorous? They're not in a formal dinner surrounded by strangers, they're in the flat with their flatmates, oh for Eros' sake! If this is your index of decorum why don't you criticize Christian's bad manners all through the dinner? He was the nightmare of any host.I can't get someone can suggest that you'd care for your EX's feelings and hurt your bf's in the process.
suzane1065 2 months ago
@suzane1065
I think the point is that Rafa is more Olli's bandaid than boyfriend and that although Olli and Christian have verbally called it quits they are still emotionally involved. The kiss seemed to be more about Olli proving that he had moved forward when he clearly hadn't while Christian is just plain jealous and needing to prove that Rafa is no better than Rob was and therefore not worthy of Olli's attention. The fact Olli went to check the till speaks volumes.
Paulie2906 2 months ago 3
@suzane1065 It was clear to Olli that inviting Christian was a dicey situation. Rafael's paella as a peace offering was nothing more than his chance to rub his present good fortune in Christian's face, sweetness and smiles notwithstanding. And his smooch with Olli was meant to rub salt on the wound. Yes, Christian could have refused the invitation but the invitation should never have been extended. It was a disaster waiting to happen and Olli knew it. He has himself and Raffie to blame.
daiselladarling 2 months ago 3
@daiselladarling I'm just reading the facts as they are displayed to us in the ep, you and other viewers are interpreting some signs that you're imagining, making assumptions about things that the author has not even hinted at all, that manipulative, competitive, scheming Raphael that some fans want to see just exists in their minds, till now Raphael has done nothing but being generous, courteous and understanding to Olli, who was rejected in his last attempt to fix issues with Christian,btw.
suzane1065 2 months ago
@suzane1065 Oh, but you're not! This is not a children's story or a fairy tale. The VL writers haven't just suddenly become less psychologically twisted than they were a few episodes ago. This is a soap. There are always ulterior motives or hidden agendas lurking around the corner. That's moot, however. The crucial thing is this: forewarned is forearmed. Olli should have hoped for the best but planned for the worst. But he doesn't do that. Remember the gambling party and the fine?
daiselladarling 2 months ago
@suzane1065 Or really, I should say the writers didn't allow Olli to hope for the best but plan for the worst which, in all honesty, seems so uncharacteristic of him. Olli seems to be someone who generally has all his ducks in a row. When the writers put him in situations that it seems his past history would never have permitted, you end up with an Olli who's a bungler. This dinner scene doesn't ring true for Olli or Christian. It was cliched filler used to add minutes and cheap drama.
daiselladarling 2 months ago
@suzane1065 lol you're too innocent. believe me, the writers will definitely make rafael become a bad person. i don't see rafael being generous, courteous and understanding at all. all i see is that he is a shameless homewrecker and ollie and christian are stupid. oh and that was a pretty dumb way to try to fix issues with your soon-to-be ex-husband if you ask me. seriously who the fuck think it's ok to invite the person you're gonna divorce in 3 days to a dinner with your new hot bf lololol
Mrlife23 2 months ago
@Mrlife23 LOL I'll have to stick to MercuryMay's rules, so I can't honestly tell you what I think of your comments, because surely I would be admonished by MercuryMay, I'm a fan of both Olli and Christian (but they need not be a couple).... and even tho I'm crazy for Jo Weil I'm just defending Olli because in the last episodes he has been stoned (figuratively) without mercy by Christian's hardcore fans....and I'll keep thinking that Raphael is very pleasant, until the facts prove me wrong. LOL
suzane1065 2 months ago
@suzane1065 I agree with much that you have to say. If people have a take solely on the storyline itself that's fine. However, many of the posts for a while also include digs at Jo Weil that seem to be deliberately provocative. They also go against this channel creator's rules, but seem to go unnoticed. There are a few who've been commenting on this clip since it's been available who fit this describtion. They've approached commenting on this channel consistently in such a manner.
designersky 2 months ago
@suzane1065 Smart planning for a party, whether the invitees are friends or acquaintances, probably consists of not inviting not only your Ex, but the very Ex with whom you will be finalizing your divorce in mere days. Talk about sabotage. If it were important to Raffie that Christian be there, it should have been important to Olli that the dinner go off without a hitch. Given what had transpired merely 24-48 hours earlier, one less Raffie kiss probably wouldn't have left Olli love-starved.
daiselladarling 2 months ago
@suzane1065 But it was not just a little peck! Oliver makes out with his boyfriend yet a few days ago he was making out with Christian! Oliver is giving out mixed signals no wonder Christian does not know what to think. Next, Oliver tells Christian they should delay the divorce next the guy says he wants him out of his life. There is no CONSISTENCY to Oliver that's why he's a drama queen because he is too emotional and does not know what he wants.
JordanjamesX 2 months ago
@JordanjamesX
both of them do not know what they want . Christian as well had a great chance to make up with Olli (when Olli found out that he didn't accept the job offer and that he bought flowers for him ) ... when he asked him " what did you want to say to me ? " and he screwed it up by saying : " i want to be friends " ..
i'm always a fan of Olli but i must admit both of them are acting in the same stupid way.
coldmemories1 2 months ago 3
@suzane1065 So true!
fillelina 2 months ago
Am I the only person who remembers Christian sitting in No Limits with his arm around Theresa hugging her and taunting Olli and,silently daring him to freak out?
Why are folks so one-sided in their viewing of this situation?
Christian didn't have to attend dinner and Olli shouldn't have to not kiss the man he's dating to make Christian comfortable.
Christian is an adult, not a toddler. He over-reacted.
He was WRONG and didn't even apologize.
Rafa has been nothing but polite and above board.
PlatypusRising55 2 months ago 8
@PlatypusRising55 Aren't you "one-sided"? Really?
SilviaMuller11 2 months ago
This has been a lovely and interesting little debate. Good opinions, interesting points of view! :)
samtelvis 2 months ago
Think about from the point of writers: You have an internationally loved couple. What were climaxes of their story? They fell in love but it took 45 episodes to get together, to remove the third persons and start a relationship. We also fell in love with the way they ended up marriage. Conflict, passion tension and happy ending. It is a good formula and since they were already married to go through the same path could only be through cheating storyline..They also played on their weaknesses.
twicelovely 2 months ago
@daiselladarling I disagree; trust brings about love, I would even go so far as to say they are synonymous. If you don't trust someone, it is VERY difficult to invest yourself in an "in-love" long term relationship with them. I am of the conviction that love is a commitment to someone; feelings come, feelings can go depending on your mood, health bla bla bla. But if there's trust, loving feelings come back A LOT faster. And I think that's what C&O invested in right? a long term marriage--no? ;)
samtelvis 2 months ago
@samtelvis I trust my physician, I trust my physical therapist, I'm not likely to develop feelings of love for either simply because trust was initially present. Warm fuzzy feelings have to exist first. Trust strengthens and deepens those fuzzy feelings, transforming them into love. If a relationship is founded on trust first and love follows, when a mistake occurs it's done for. If it's founded on fuzzy feelings and trust follows, a mistake may scar it but it can still withstand the trauma.
daiselladarling 2 months ago
@daiselladarling Your point is interesting. That one incidence of infidelity does not an "open" relationship make. When it comes to sexual fidelity being the standard for "real love" I would agree with that. Soap operas and a great deal of media propagate this myth that one always feels "in-love" with one's partner. Love ultimately can't just be a feeling, it has to be a commitment at its foundation. Thus marriage vows: in good times and bad...but once trust is broken it is VERY diff. to get bk.
samtelvis 2 months ago 2
Ollie needs to quit deluding himself by falling in love with twinks, whose commitment may - or may not - be sincere, and return to the man who has loved Ollie for almost four years. Who can ever forget what an idiot the teenager Toby made of Ollie in episode 117. One hopes that the Chrolli relationship can still be repaired but, given the current animosity between C & O, it certainly does not look promising.
craig48ca 2 months ago
@azbreed But I will agree with you: Oliver's self-centredness causes Chris so much pain. Why'd he marry Chris if he didn't think much of his opinion? Chris has a problem with jealousy and anger, no secret there, but does that give Ollie the right to throw it in his face? If your spouse struggled with drinking, would you down a bottle in front of him? Part of taking ownership of one's anger, is not allowing others to make you angry. If I were C. I’d have said, our rel. is over. And I'd mean it.
samtelvis 2 months ago 2