Liturgia Nichiren Shu Parte 1

[77greenhat]

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[marellamofo]

@Shikimyo,

Nichiren Buddhism is the correct Buddhism because it's teachings are based on the Lotus Sutra. Shayamuni preached the Lotus Sutra and reveal for the first time THAT ALL HUMAN BEINGS HAVE THE BUDDAHOOD NATURE and you didn't have to be a monk who practice austerities in order to achieve enlightnment. ALL OTHER SUTRAS PRIOR TO THE LOTUS SUTRA ARE INFERIOR and that would include any sutras that you have read. NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO is all you need to attain buddahood. Thank Nichiren.

[marellamofo]

the true successor to Nichiren Daishonin. The people who practice Nichiren's buddhism through the lineage of Nikko Shonin is practicing the CORRECT TEACHING as instructed by THE DAISHONIN.

[electricrailwaygod]

O problema com vídeo, depois "Chi-ken Hara Mitzu-kai" congela! Não pode receber o resto de que! (Eu muito prefiro esta apresentação de Gongyo aqui que que do Soka Gakkai, qualquer dia da semana) O SGI tem em minha opinião mais humilde abateu-o! !!!

[DrLux]

Discussions are useless. We talk here about a spiritual path and spiritual achievements. Please do yourself a favour and go to assist at a Nichiren Shu liturgy and feel what exactly those "radical priests" do. Its amazing ! Its a real transformation that occures there ! And maybe go also to a gokito service to escape of the arrogant demons of talking continuously and to renegade and fight continuously other religions on the internet. Guys, you really dont know what are you talking about.

[nichirenista]

It seems to me that nichiren said that daimoku only is the essential practice. nichiren shu apart from confusing the historical buddha with the myohorengekyo or buddhahood or honzon they spend A LOT of time chanting prayers and sutra and do VERY little daimoku. the priests do blessings and act as if they are a vehicle between you and honzon. i know. i chanted with them. it is not nichiren's practice for mappo.

[heal2012]

just read the comments.. intolance, arrogance.. fear ..Whats the authentic teachings??? We make it up as we go a long.. Ok, say.. everyone is right.. we are all sooo compassionate..soo wise, so understanding of each others religion.. until someone expresses another opinion..And watch... we take out our biggest guns to defend ourselves.. Hey dudes..it all an ego trip. WAKE UP

[walkerazcarpenter]

this is only different because it is the malaysian interpretation of the same thing. Hawaii is made up of several asian peoples. Intolance? Hey dude, buy a dictionary. The ego trip is to believe it all started recently. S.G.I. is world wide.

[ferdykdb]

nichiren shu and sgi people need to realized that only nichiren shoshu is the only correct teaching because it's being pass through by Nichiren Daishonin him self without master disciple how the teaching can become the truth.

[marellamofo]

But if you read the Goshos, if was the laity that supported Nichiren more than the Priesthood. Nichiren was always warning his followers about radical priests. SGI is following with courageous efforts in challenging wayward priest who feel that they are above us ordinary human beings.

[MmoonSshiner]

Nichiren thought the people of his day were confused and misled , i guess we havent changed much either. The way he chose to vocalize along with that wodden racket in the background really distracts from what he is saying. Ive been chanting for almost 10 years now and i found this hard to follow. Are practitioners encouraged to adapt that style or is that unique to him? and when chanting at home do practitioners have to use that gong thing?

[essexccc]

Interesting. But unfortunately Nichiren Shu doesn't teach the whole heart of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism. but in many ways is more akin to pre Lotus schools. But it is on the right track and maybe will undergo the necessary transformation ?

Nam-myoho-renge-kyo

[Shikimyo]

Nichiren Shu absolutely teaches the correct path of the Lotus Sutra and the Eternal Buddha Shakyamuni. There are many who gravely misunderstand Nichiren's teachings and have incorrectly called him a "True Buddha". Nichiren Shu, along with other orthodox Nichiren schools, correctly teaches what is in the Lotus Sutra and in Nichiren Shonins writings. Please read Kanjin Honzon Sho or Kaimoku Sho to better understand the correct teahcings of Nichiren.

[MyohoSound]

Which other orthodox Nichiren schools are you referring to ? As far as I know the two major traditions ,SGI and Nichiren Shoshu, view Nichiren Daishonin as the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law. Please don't patronise me concerning reading the Gosho, nor try to convince me that Nichiren Shu aren't anything other than a provisional sect.

[Shikimyo]

There are several major Nichiren sects including Kempon Hokke, Rissho Kosei Kai, and Honmon Butsuryu Shu among others. The only sects that view Nichiren as the Buddha Of the Latter Day of the Law are Nichiren Shoshu and its spliter groups including SGI, and Kenshokai. It's very clear that from reading Nichiren's writings and the Lotus Sutra that Nichiren is not the "True Buddha". Nichiren Shu doesn't follow the doctrine that Nichiren is a "True Buddha" as this is latter, incorrect development.

[MyohoSound]

If by referring to major sects you're speaking numerically and most influential, then SGI are the largest followed by Nichiren Shoshu.The others that you mention are pretty well insignificant, or even unheard of outside of Japan (even if there ? Whether Nichiren Shu does or doesn't accept that Nichiren Daishonin was the true Buddha is quite irrelevant. We tend to concentrate more on that which will actually shows proof of what makes people happy in their lives than engage in dry dogma.

[irelephant]

Nichiren Shu established a temple in Hawaii nearly a century ago. Their temples in Seattle, WA and Portland, OR date back to the 1920's. Long before the global "shakubuku" campaigns of NSA begun in the 1960's and the establishment of Kaikans and Temples by SGI & NS respectively. They have the Gohonzon, chant the O-Daimoku, recite & propagate the Lotus Sutra, and revere Nichiren, only not as the original Buddha. This is a doctrinal difference with Nichiren Shoshu and SGI. Nichiren-shu is global.

[marellamofo]

@Shikimyo

Nichiren Diashonin is the person who Shakyamuni predicted in the Lotus Sutra, would come and make it possible for mankind through out the world to attain buddhahood IN THIS LIFETIME. Prior to Nichiren, only priest and monks were thought to only attain buddhahood. For this reason Nichiren is the 'TRUE BUDDHA". Nichiren Shu was started up by priest who doubted the validity of The Daishonin. For this reason Nichiren Shu is leading people down the incorrect path. Nikko Shonin is the....

[Shikimyo]

@marellamofo The problem is that most people within SGI and Nichiren Shoshu have no clue about genuine Buddhist history and traditions outside of the narrow propaganda they have been taught. If you actually read the sutras you will see that your comment, "Prior to Nichiren, only priest and monks were thought to only attain buddhahood." is totally incorrect. Priests are a fabrication of Japanese Buddhism anyway; they presence of married clergy is a corruption of the vinaya. Sad, but true.

[marellamofo]

@Shikimyo

The SGI and Nichiren Shoshu are practicing the correct buddhism. WELL AT LEAST THE SGI IS. Nichiren always taught that you must hold true to your conviction and never WAIVER. Nichiren taught that after his death, there would be jealousy among the 6 senior priest. 5 of those jealous priest founded the Nichiren Shu sect and a few others who do not believe Nichiren Daishonin is the true buddha. I WONDER DID THE 5 EVER TELL THE DAISHONIN TO HIS FACE THAT THEY HAD DOUBTS ABOUT WHO HE IS.

[Shikimyo]

@marellamofo It is evident that you are simply a SGI apologist. Nothing more can be said to you because you believe in and practice adharma; rejecting the Three Jewels only to replace it with Japanese nationalist views is pitiable.

[marellamofo]

@Shikimyo

I am a SGI member. I do not apologize. There is nothing Japanese about me. I am an American who had the great fortune to be introduced to NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO. Are you saying that because Nichiren Buddhism origins are Japanese then somehow there is fault in the validity of it's teachings? Albert Einstein was considered to be a crazy nut when he introduced the theory of "RELATIVITY". Well that theory was proven to be true. Did he being German have anything to do with what was proven?

[Shikimyo]

@marellamofo Additionally, if you read the earliest Agamas/Pali canon you will plainly see that upasikas/ upasakas as well as Bhikkhunis attained full awakening. Ever hear of Vimalakirti? A Mahayana sutra which details the life of an Enlightened upasaka. This sutra was written long before Nichiren lived. Nichiren Buddhists are going to keep arguing about the silliness of the split between their tiny sects, but you have no reason for being straight up ignorant about basic Buddhist history.

[marellamofo]

@Shikimyo

There were many people who attained enlightment before Nichiren, ALL OF THEM WERE PRETTY MUCH BUDDHIST MONKS who spent days on end meditating and practicing austerities to attain buddhahood. Nichiren never doubted this. The difference is that no one before Nichiren Daishonin was able to put a practice into place that allowed the common man to attain enlightment. As far as the sutras, It is the LOTUS SUTRA THAT IS SUPERIOR TO ALL SUTRAS. Shayamuni himself said this. ^^^^^^^

[irelephant]

"But unfortunately Nichiren Shu doesn't teach the whole heart of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism."

There are many schools of thought on this subject. Saying one's school's teaching is incomplete or incorrect implies your school has the only correct interpretation. This is an arrogant view which can only result in intolerance toward others and continued divisiveness in the world of Buddhism.

We must lessen any conflicts under the name of religion and achieve a peaceful world.

[MyohoSound]

SGI have the correct teaching for the times. This is not arrogance, but is substantiated by the phenomenal growth ad presence of the organisation. SGI are not intolerant, but only pursue our mission which includes dialogue with other religions. So yes, I agree with your last sentence.

[irelephant]

"SGI have the correct teaching for the times"

Publicly stating that your sect has the "correct teaching", implies that ALL other sects of Buddhism are INCORRECT. This is not dialog, it is attack. Why is your teaching correct? You changed it after the Nichiren Shoshu demolished the Sho Hondo. Prior to that your sect stated that the Dai Gohonzon was the supreme object of worship for all mankind. and Sho Hondo was 3rd Secret Law. Gakkai no longer promotes these teachings. Was it wrong before?

[irelephant]

"SGI are not intolerant"

No members of other Nichiren sects, or other Buddhist traditions [Theravada] , or non-Buddhist religions are permitted to enter SGI community centers for the purpose of holding "dialogues" about religion with SGI members. SGI members do go out in the community and on the internet to put forward the viewpoint of Daisaku Ikeda as though he were a living Buddha, and posit that all the other traditions and branches outside the Sokagakkai are outdated or "heretical".

[mmhr4733]

@MyohoSound SGI is and Occult. They started back in World War 2. So get it right. I have been practicing since 1980. Nichiren Shu is the true teaching of Buddhism. SGI claim and other sects that Nichiren is the True Buddha that is incorrect. Shakyamuni is the true budha. Not Nichiren. Read the Lotus Sutra. And the major writings of Nichiren. Thank you......

[mmhr4733]

@MyohoSound SGI is and Occult. They started back in World War 2. So get it right. I have been practicing since 1980. Nichiren Shu is the true teaching of Buddhism. SGI claim and other sects that Nichiren is the True Buddha that is incorrect. Shakyamuni is the true budha. Not Nichiren. Read the Lotus Sutra. And the major writings of Nichiren. Thank you......

[MyohoSound]

@mmhr4733

You ought to try and distinguish between the historic Buddha and the living Buddha. I've read plenty from all Buddhist traditions apart from my own - but nothing detracts from the essential fact that we all have the Buddha nature, i.e. are all Buddhas , or have that potentiality.

[marellamofo]

@MyohoSound

In the Lotus Sutra, Shayamuni preached the fact that we all have a buddha nature within our lives but he didn't show us how to manifest it. Nichiren Diashonin showed us how to manifest the buddha nature in our daily lives and he did this by summing up the entire Lotus Sutra in the single phrase "NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO" and incribing the Gohonzon. For these reasons, Nichiren is the 'TRUE BUDDHA" Thank you! Daishonin.

[essexccc]

@marellamofo I'm not quite sure of the point that you're trying to make that isn't already known. All that you seem to overlook is that Mahayana Buddhism more generally teaches that enlightenment is not only possible in the here and now, but that we all possess the Buddha nature. In fact "aum mani padme hum" is another manifestation of NMRK. Research it to deepen your knowledge.

[marellamofo]

@essexccc

My point is that we do not have to be a buddhist monk or a buddhist scholar in order to understand the state of buddhahood. We do not have to have a deeper understanding of what all the buddhist sutras are about. All we need to do is chant NMRK and we will experience and develop the buddha nature that we already have. WHY SHOULD I RESEARCH? Do we have to be an automobile machanic in order for us to drive a car? NO!! Just give me the keys to the ignition. NMRK IS THE KEY.

[essexccc]

@marellamofo

The key to rounded Buddhist development  is Faith, Practice and Study. Take away any of those three and we are like a plane trying to fly with one or more wing missing. Study is an integerall part as it helps understand

what is happening. We need a balanced approach : even though NMRK is the essential component to "tapping into" our inherent Buddha nature.

[marellamofo]

@essexccc

I thought you meant for me to research the buddhist text and scriptures of other buddhist sects. If you are talking about Faith, Practice and Study based on Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism that allows me to deepen my faith in the NMRK and the Gohonzon, then absoulutely F.P.&S is essential. However I don't need to understand what I am studying in order to experience the power of NMRK.

[essexccc]

@marellamofo

Certainly study does help deepen our faith and bolster our practice. It really isn't such a bad thing to do study other sutras apart from the Lotus Sutra either (Nichiren Daishonin certainly did). Especially if one already has encountered the highest teaching - we can find the Law of NMRK in them all.

[marellamofo]

@essexccc

Nichiren read other sutras in order to deciphor the truth. He knew the Law of NMRK was in all of the sutras. However those sutras only talked about the Law in bits and pieces. Nichiren declared that the Lotus Sutra for the first time revealed the Law in it's entirety. My point is why should I read other sutras that only give you bits and pieces of the Law? I liken this to an English speaking adult who still reads kindergarten level of English in order to understand the language.

[essexccc]

@marellamofo

@marellamofo Up to you whether you read more widely or not. There's no "should do" about it. And you certainly wont be alone amongst Nichiren practitioners in not doing so. Only in my experience there's not only The Law , but much wisdom to be gained in reading the sutras more widely. The Dhammapada is a good starting point. Not least because the title itself means the same thing as The Law. But it really is entirely all your decision.

[marellamofo]

@essexccc

Do you practice the Dhammapada and if so what does the practice consist of?

[Shikimyo]

Wonderful thanks for sharing! Namu Myoho Renge Kyo

[fpizzz]

Welcome

In Gasshô

[fpizzz]

Em gasshô (com as mãos postas) sou eu quem agradece pela sua gentileza, se vc não viu por favor veja as duas outras partes.

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