Bert Sugar on Rocky Marciano's legacy and the state of the Heavyweight Division

[tonyfressola]

Funny, Urlacher best heavyweight in America!!

[tonyfressola]

Most knowledgable man in boxing. I can listen to him all day long.

[kellybob94]

Heavyweight division is too in consistent now, You can get 30 pound weight differences between fighters 

[edwards21416]

on the other hand some fighters know all there is to know at a later age and some are in the prime Rocky would have beaten them at any age he won and pople still try to take that away ,stamina increases in older fighters speed not so so you ahve to weight all these things up 43 ko's not bad

[TheSweetestScience]

Dude needs to fix his grill.

[jason60152]

@TheSweetestScience He is old anyway who cares?

[nagone11]

Burt Sugar....a walking history lesson! Can't talk about boxing without understanding it from it's history.

[destroyxeverything]

Whites own boxing? Lmao the no 1 p4p boxer in the world right now is not even White. Though I won't dispute the fact that most boxers who had great chin or tough sobs were White (LaMotta, Chuvalo etc) saying Whites own boxing is so ludicrous.

[gibememoni]

@destroyxeverything

Whites do own boxing right now. The HW champ is white. Joe calzaghe retired 46-0 beating RJJ and bhop without a scratch on his face. Willie pep was the greatest defensive fighter that ever lived. Carl froch is the #3 p4p fighter in the world. Marciano retired at 49-0 a record still unbeaten. Show some respect.

[steelerspensdominate]

Bert is right about the best athletes/heavyweights in America going into football. Not sure what can be done to stop it.

[chunkyscotty]

Bert really knows his boxing, hard to find one thing in this interview I disagree with.

[StSimonMartyr]

Joe Louis was 10-0 and had 3 wins in the same year when he fought Rocky.

Klitchko Today is 42 years old. And Dominating.

Rocky was 33 when he fought and beat Louis. Stop the excuses.

Rocky put people in Comas and in the hospital having to have their welts surgically removed.

Heaven help you, if you fought Rocky.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr some people are done at age 30 just cause vitali is dominating at age 42 does not mean everyother fighter also would. joe louis would beat the shit out of rocky if he was in his prime yes rocky is a great fighter but dont try and make he sound like a god all his great fights were against guys way past there prime accept that and get over it. its just the truth.

[StSimonMartyr]

Excuses, Excuses

Joe Louis was 36, Rocky Marciano was 33.

Louis was hardly over the hill, and had won his previous 3 fights.

Muhammed Ali fought Sonny Liston when Liston was 32 and Ali 22.

No one criticizes Ali or claims Liston was over the Hill.

No one ever Beat Marciano, he retired undeafeated and feared. He fought and beat mercilessly, the best there was, including Joe Louis, Charles, Moore, Walcott.

Remove Louis's jackstrap off you face.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr yer joe louis was 36 but he came out of retirement to fight rocky he stopped boxing and made a comback it was not the same joe he didnt have no where near the same skill before he stopped. no1 criticized ali because that was a prime liston he just won the belt. he was losing to an old walcott the entire fight and all his fights were against fighters that were finished and they still gave him a hard time. face the truth there are alot of fighters that would kill maricano

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr rm was just in the right place at the right time he is 1 of the most overrated fighters. or is there someones dick in ur face and u cant see the truth. its sounds like he was feraing someone not being feared he retired after 6 defences he was scared cause he knew ppl that were over the hill giving him a hard time what would a good prime fighter do to him

[StSimonMartyr]

Cant be in the right time and place and DOMINATE every fight, win every fight, for over a decade.

Over 90% of Rockys fight ended by Brutal KO and put fear in every opponant for a decade in your career, beating the best, including Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles-Twice, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott-Twice, and the European Champion Cockell.

You hate him because he's white, and beat every black man and jew he fought.

Whites Now dominate boxing with Iron curtain down, you need a new black hope.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr u must have no idea he was losing the whole fight to 38 year old joe wealcott every fight he was in was a hard fight for him and they were old men.rocky is a great fighter but some people like you make him sound better then what he was. i dont hate him but u on the other hand assume that i do and that im black. you are a fool im white man talking the truth i dont discriminate like you. making a fool of ur self saying that im black and i hate him typical stereotype u racist bitch

[StSimonMartyr]

Rocky was Outweighed, you moron!

In Every fight. Walcott, Louis, Archie Moore.

All except Ezzard Charles, same weight.

Rocky fought valiantly, putting people in comas or having to have their welts surgically removed.

He didnt win every round, I never claimed that. But He won Every fight. Usually by Brutal KO.

Rocky angers the Black and Jew Supremists, because he was White, Humble, and he was the most Dominant & Devastating HW Boxer of all time.

And he wasnt even a true HW.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr look i am not gonna sit here and argue with ur opinion. if you think rocky is the greatest boxer because he beat 40 year old bums thats your choice. ur just a racist bitch im not gonna have a talk with an ignorant cunt. im not saying that his fights didnt end in a brutal ko because they did. but you gotta look at who he was facing fighters that were finished. if rocky fought a prime walcott or louis he would lose he just got over the line as they fatigued which happens when ur old

[StSimonMartyr]

Rocky was 33, Louis was 36. Hardly an advantage of over the hill. Louis had won his 3 previous fights.

Rocky gave up 25 pounds! And still knocked the Black Off Louis, and retired him, for good.

Rocky beat all comers, at 10-30 pound weight disadvantage and 90% were brutal KOs.

Whites now Own Boxing, holding 16 of 22 belts. You need a Black Hope. Iron Curtain reigns.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr louis that came out of retirement u dumb cunt whats wrong with. louis was a finshed 37 year old that was not the same. he would have killed rocky in his prime and anyone whos knows boxing would tell u the same thing. where are u getting your facts from your dad you stupid cunt. rocky was 28 years old when he fought joe almost 10 years younger not 33 to 36 u moron. i have never spoken to a person that claims they know boxing be so wrong u know nothing ur a fuken idiot

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr by the way im a white man not black. get it through ur thick stubborn head. saying i need a black hope doesnt make any sense i white. i like boxers for there skill not colour. keep ur mouth shut ur making ur self sound stupid u know nothing about boxing.you dont even know simple facts like boxers age i feel sorry you someone must have dropped you on your head when you were young.

[StSimonMartyr]

Youre a Heeb or a Nig Nog..

In case you didnt know it, this is a Rocky M video, if you dont like it, go watch a Larry Holmes, Joe Louis or Jack Johnson video and dream about black boxers.

Some of us prefer to watch real champions, Undefeated, Underdog, overachiever champions that never lost a fight.

Now go get your shine box

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr you clearly no nothing about boxing. keep taking guesses you sad cunt. let me take an educated guess you have a mental disability and think that people that like black boxers are black i like boxers on there skill reguardless of colour. and in case you dont know you wrote to me first. so why dont u do ur self a favor and stop watching boxing and commenting. ur trying to defend rocky and you dont even know basic facts about him.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr you keep making ur self sound like a bigger idiot i was born in america and iam a white man. you shouldnt be watching any videos on rocky u know nothing about him u dumb cunt. iam very aware that this a rocky m video maybe u should be aware of how old he was when he fought people. u make me laugh ur such a stupid cunt. i can watch watever video i want but your right i will go and watch real fighters real champs that fought quality oppents that were not 37 years old

[StSimonMartyr]

Go away Moron.

Rocky was 33 fighting a 36-37 Joe Louis.

Rocky was Undefeated, never beaten, Moore, Charles, Walcott, Louis. Twice most of them.

Rocky gave up on average 20#s in size to every opponant and still KO'd 90% of them.

Ali fought & beat Sonny Liston in his 30's but he gets accolades, Rocky Beat Louis, and Louis was washed up.

Now get your shine box.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr u are a fuken idiot tell me what drug are you on. you clearly have a mental disability you dont even know anything about rocky u sound so fucken stupid right now. rocky was born 1923 he was 28 when he fought joe. how can you defend rocky you know nothing about him ur a fuken retarded.ur not understanding the point are you ali beat a prime liston he just won the belt smashing patterson. rocky was fighting 37 year old joe that came out of retirement. ur not even making sense

[StSimonMartyr]

Joe Louis had 9 fights the same year he fought Rocky Marciano!

And Winning 8 of them.

But got KTFO by Rocky M. And was forever retired.

George Foreman, Walcott, Michael Moore, Klitchko All fought and were champions in the 40s.

Louis was outclassed and outfought and destroyed by Rocky M, as was every other fighter that stepped in the ring with Rocky.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr shut the fuck up you dickhead. i already said this dickhead but ill say it again some people can fight and dominate past age of 40 some are finished at 30. man who the fuck am i talking to a 5 year old with memory loss. ill feel sorry for you thats all you know about rocky thats why you keep saying the same shit. i cant get over the fact that a so called rocky fan thought he was 33 when he fought joe. ur a joke.

[StSimonMartyr]

Dont call me any of your family names.

In all of Rockys 50 fights, 90% of his opponants did not even go the distance.

Another Record.

They were all KTFO.

Just as youve been in your worthless and feeble argument.

Rocky, as a CRUISERWEIGHT, destroyed and beat the black off of Archie Moore-Twice, Walcott-Twice, Ezzard Charles-Twice, and Retired Joe Louis, and the Reigning Euro Champion.

Again, as a Cruiserweight.

You may not like him becuase hes' white, but Rocky was the man, so is Klitchko.

[todafacetodaface]

@StSimonMartyr alright im gonna end this argument and be the bigger man. rocky was one of the greatest heavyweights thats true. all im saying is his oppents were past there prime not his fault thats all there was at his time. he was one of the most dominate and devasating in boxing history he had great power great chin, unbeliveble endurance and he never lost a fight . im done with this argument its gone on to long

[normalguyable]

@StSimonMartyr agreed, but also being vegetarian helps with conditioning and speed as well ni boxing, tyson is a vegan now.

[bigmoney749]

@StSimonMartyr Walcott retired when he was 39 and Moorer, a paper champion, only had one fight in his 40s. Rocky retired when he was 32 to preserve his perfect record from rising young talents, something he had never faced before, like Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, and Ingemar Johansson. Rocky is the most overrated fighter of all time.

[jason60152]

@bigmoney749 Hell yeah a prime Joe Louis would whoop his tail.The IRS screwed Joe Louis.I wonder how great boxers at the end of they careers gotta fight because they need money.Sad a legend like Joe Louis had to go out like that.

[gibememoni]

@bigmoney749

Moorer was like bhop he got better with age. Sonny liston was a nobody when rocky retired, patterson was still fighting at LHW when he retired, losing to Joey Maxim. Ingemar was a fucking joke of a fighter, got lucky against patterson once and paid the price the 2nd fight getting his head nearly ripped off by a left hook.

Marciano is UNDERRATED. Louis was only 37 years old and on an 9 fight winning streak, 2 of which against top 5 heavys.

[bigmoney749]

@gibememoni First of all, 37 is old, and it was ancient for Joe Louis. Floyd won the heavyweight title six months after Rocky retired. Sonny wasn't well established when Rocky retired but he was still good and Ingemar was respectable. All three of them were young and talented and better than anyone Rocky ever fought. Rocky might've beat Floyd if he could fight his fight which is no guarantee, but Sonny, who would've been Rocky's biggest opponent, would've manhandled him. Rocky is overrated.

[domamania]

@bigmoney749 why dont you take ali's average of oponents age and compare it to marcianos. i mean look at cooper. what a joke.

[Freddie1980]

@bigmoney749 - To automatically assume that big guy will have his own way over a smaller guy is a bit naive. For example Jess Willard was 6' 7" 250 Lbs a man who knocked the formidable Jack Johnson got smacked from pillar to post by  a 6' 190 lbs Jack Dempsey.

[bigmoney749]

@Freddie1980 A good big guy usually beats a good small guy. Jack Dempsey was far more skilled than Jess Willard who beat a less-than-formidable Jack Johnson, and if boxing back then had the same rules it has today, that fight would've looked very different, though Dempsey stilled probably would've won.

[crowley0312]

@bigmoney749 Realize Louis still gave the fight 100%. He sparred with a similar fighter to Marciano and was the favorite to win. Not a prime Louis, but a difficult opponent. Sonny got his jaw broken by an unknown guy, and because of his crime past, a shot wasn't even considered for him until the time Floyd had regained the title. As for Floyd and Ingemar, I think Rocky decided, "why not just step down and let one of these great fighters get their turn." If he beat them, he'd spend them back.

[crowley0312]

@bigmoney749 Overall, Rocky's not overrated. He's a top 5 Heavyweight because in every one of his 25-49 fights, people always said he couldn't do it. He was considered overrated back then too. But he always beat the odds. Rocky fought and beat everyone he was supposed to, and that's what a champion is expected to do, yet most of them don't. Rocky isn't overrated at all.

[Socalplyr213]

ask this man a Q about Salvador Sanchez he must have seen him fight

[SELACARTEL]

Marciano overrated

[BruceinFalkirk]

@SELACARTEL

Marciano - cruiserweight.

[yungsandifer]

real shit alonzo

[haitianjack5]

gotta love bert sugar.