in a competitive race such as the 50 and hundred free youre not going to want that. being first off the block witha fast start is key. Without it, your race is already headed towards a loss. However getting momentum IS important.
Its called a slingshot start it slows down your reaction time but it helps you get more momentum into the water. However this guy is taking it back to far everything is good in moderation, nice entry though.
Wrong,start was just right.Reason why he leaned backwards is to spring/push himself further.It's all one quick motion (hands&legs)and if executed correctly as here,swimmer can achieve maximum pull/distance off the blocks.
No, you're wrong. Watch the best starters in the world, Cesar Cielo, Roland Schoemann, even Phelps and Lochte, none of them pull themselves back more than 10-15cm, Schoemann doesn't move at all backward, where as this guy is moving himself back almost half a meter. His pull on the block and shooting his hands back forward is good, but the pull back is way too far.
It doesn't matter how far he pull himself,it's what result you get from it.In competitive swimming fast start means everything and can determine outcome of the race.I was explaining why pull is even used and what effect it has on a jump.There are various starts off the blocks depending what swimmer finds most comfortable,we are all different in a way we perceive/feel swimming and strokes.
It absolutely matters how far he pulls himself. Every inch he pulls himself back is another inch he has to move forward, think of it that way, so you only want to move back just to the point where you can get the most power. A fast start is crucial, and this one is not a good technical example. The time he takes to get off the blocks using this position will never be able to compare with starters using a more forward stance.
He isn't professional for God's sake already!I wasn't comparing his start to other Olympians!What I wrote was replay to idiot who thought how that start isn't correct or shouldn't be used.As someone who swims for years and have been thought by various sportsmen including ex-competitive swimmers, waterpolo players and coaches,I am I am in position to say that start as it was for amateur(not being in a race or competing)isn't wrong!Could it have been better,yes but in core it's OK
@BoxyTheSpaceDog I understand what you're saying, but that's not how you came across at all. Take a look at your first comment, you were debating that this start was technically better than the one suggested by @mvallin I don't see the point in doing this kind of start when you're not planning to race, but it is still important for users such as @mvallin and myself to bring up that this is a poor technical start, so that other swimmers watching the video aren't about to try to mimic it.
He claimed it's wrong I say it isn't.Compare this flat block to narrow one.Narrow (used in competitions)is already facing under some angle towards the pool,thus allowing more pressure from the toes onto the starting board where you don't need as much spring(to lean backwards as is shown here).He also claimed how toes should be as further as possible to the edge of the board,wrong!He doesn't know difference between normal or track starts(as shown here).Mimic isn't thought,remember
weird blocks, looks ... flat
Mitthuz 1 year ago
this start is poor the energy u use to lean back is lost in the start
lolatcomedy 1 year ago
the idea of the start is to have your centre of gravity quite far back from the start...
not to bounce backwards after the whistle is blown..
tsubasanakagawa 1 year ago
in a competitive race such as the 50 and hundred free youre not going to want that. being first off the block witha fast start is key. Without it, your race is already headed towards a loss. However getting momentum IS important.
guidmage2 2 years ago 2
Its called a slingshot start it slows down your reaction time but it helps you get more momentum into the water. However this guy is taking it back to far everything is good in moderation, nice entry though.
juicyj517 2 years ago
that was one ugly start, swimmer looks skilled but whoever taught him to start like that should be removed from their coaching position.
Idealy, prior to the start the swimmer should be as far forward on the block as possible
mvallin 4 years ago 6
I was taught that you should be leaning forward as much as possible so you can have a nice fast reaction time and you get a nice forward push.
HungAzn 3 years ago
uh that is the old kind of start ask any good coach, Steve Crocker taught me to do a start similar to that at a swim camp
oTwOrDsNe 2 years ago
Yes, this video is an example of an outdated technique.
mvallin 2 years ago
@mvallin but all olympians use this technique?
emmawozere2006 1 year ago
@emmawozere2006 Have you ever watched the Olympics? No one has used this technique for years.
mvallin 1 year ago
@emmawozere2006 no
lolatcomedy 1 year ago
@lolatcomedy those blocks are so flat there supppose to be slanted
M3Fswimmer 10 months ago
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@lolatcomedy those blocks are so flat there supppose to be slanted
M3Fswimmer 10 months ago
@mvallin
Wrong,start was just right.Reason why he leaned backwards is to spring/push himself further.It's all one quick motion (hands&legs)and if executed correctly as here,swimmer can achieve maximum pull/distance off the blocks.
BoxyTheSpaceDog 10 months ago 4
@BoxyTheSpaceDog
No, you're wrong. Watch the best starters in the world, Cesar Cielo, Roland Schoemann, even Phelps and Lochte, none of them pull themselves back more than 10-15cm, Schoemann doesn't move at all backward, where as this guy is moving himself back almost half a meter. His pull on the block and shooting his hands back forward is good, but the pull back is way too far.
TheBradleyC4 6 months ago
@TheBradleyC4
It doesn't matter how far he pull himself,it's what result you get from it.In competitive swimming fast start means everything and can determine outcome of the race.I was explaining why pull is even used and what effect it has on a jump.There are various starts off the blocks depending what swimmer finds most comfortable,we are all different in a way we perceive/feel swimming and strokes.
BoxyTheSpaceDog 6 months ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog
It absolutely matters how far he pulls himself. Every inch he pulls himself back is another inch he has to move forward, think of it that way, so you only want to move back just to the point where you can get the most power. A fast start is crucial, and this one is not a good technical example. The time he takes to get off the blocks using this position will never be able to compare with starters using a more forward stance.
TheBradleyC4 6 months ago
@TheBradleyC4
He isn't professional for God's sake already!I wasn't comparing his start to other Olympians!What I wrote was replay to idiot who thought how that start isn't correct or shouldn't be used.As someone who swims for years and have been thought by various sportsmen including ex-competitive swimmers, waterpolo players and coaches,I am I am in position to say that start as it was for amateur(not being in a race or competing)isn't wrong!Could it have been better,yes but in core it's OK
BoxyTheSpaceDog 6 months ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog I understand what you're saying, but that's not how you came across at all. Take a look at your first comment, you were debating that this start was technically better than the one suggested by @mvallin I don't see the point in doing this kind of start when you're not planning to race, but it is still important for users such as @mvallin and myself to bring up that this is a poor technical start, so that other swimmers watching the video aren't about to try to mimic it.
TheBradleyC4 6 months ago
@TheBradleyC4
He claimed it's wrong I say it isn't.Compare this flat block to narrow one.Narrow (used in competitions)is already facing under some angle towards the pool,thus allowing more pressure from the toes onto the starting board where you don't need as much spring(to lean backwards as is shown here).He also claimed how toes should be as further as possible to the edge of the board,wrong!He doesn't know difference between normal or track starts(as shown here).Mimic isn't thought,remember
BoxyTheSpaceDog 6 months ago
dont go too far back onto your back leg.
it slows u down.
trust try it
baggiesrock07 4 years ago
nice race start. i think you get out of the water first than the athletes that uses the grab start :-)
Fascia299 4 years ago