Shame on those who are posting showing intolerance of Muslims in Europe. This is the same attitude as the Polish villagers in Grabnow earlier in the film towards the Jews. It was from this kind of beginning that the Shoah happened. We need to remember we are ALL humans and deserve to be treated with a level of dignity regardless of colour or creed. Please try to be more accepting of our differences, I am not Muslim or Jewish I believe in Christian values and try to remember to love all.
@rearly62 The difference between prejudice & murder is night & day. The Poles were NOT guilty of the Holocaust, notwithstanding their bigotry. Intolerance of Muslims? Where on this set of comments is such displayed?
@P1B1U1H1 No some Poles WERE guilty of pogroms (murder) both before and after the war, as well insulting their Jewish neighbours and barring their advancement in public office and the army (Jewish people were not allowed to be officers IIRC). This was a constant theme in many of the Shoah books I have studied, although not only in Poland. Again you need to read the comments below for the answer to your last question (clue look for BlackCountryPuddler).
@rearly62 BCP's unsavory comment combines damnation of immigration & an assertion similar to saying those lacking a particular belief eternally burn. One tatterdemalion shown earlier cited her professional advance to egg seller as proof slaughter of Jews brought happiness. The group before the Church limned false-bottomed containers in suitcases with smiles, evincing robbery. Worse than BCP are justifying murders of which one has direct knowledge & enjoying reminiscences of crime.
@rearly62 Your information is based on false propaganda and not historical facts. Although, there was an anti semetic sentiment after WWII, plenty of Jews were in Polish government and even army. Others played major role in crimes against Poles, for example Salomon Morel. Many worked for NKVD as snitches against local people, therefore their neighbors resented against them. Of course, there were just ordinary and honest Jews and they peacefully co-existed with Poles.
@benz500r Wrong, my information is based on historical research as this is how I access my data. The level of anti-Semitism before WWII was greater than after and the world did re-assess its view on how Jewish people were treated, however this did not mean it evaporated overnight. What we need to understand is that people who followed the Jewish faith were citizens of Poland, Germany, Lithuania, Estonia, Russia, Hungary etc. who were simply born into or followed a different faith.
@rearly62 I do not know what you refered to when you wrote "wrong." If you suggested that Poland collaborated with Nazis when you are wrong. If that refered to something else, you must be more specific. I do not want to guess.
@benz500r I referred to your unfair suggestion that my information is based on false propaganda. I would hesitate to suggest ANY country (excluding Croatia) actively collaborated with the Nazi ethnic cleansing. I take great care to research my information using academically valid sources. For example, I recently obtained access to a resource base via the USHMM that allows me to try to locate original documentation and, when I find the time, I intend to use it.
@P1B1U1H1 I agree with your statements. Poland did not collaborate with Nazi's and Poles did not participate in holocaust period. As a matter of fact, Poland had the biggest Jewish population of all European countries and that was not by accident. To the contrary, Jews had better and safer lives in Poland than other countries until Nazis attacked that country. Muslims are not even a subject of this clip and there is no signs of any intolerance against them in viewers' postings.
@benz500r Well, things were nasty there too for Jews in between the wars. The point is, however, that the worst bigot if he kills no one is better than the nicest murderer.
i am sure it was better with jews in europe than with muslims. europeans got rid of jews but we were punished and received something much worst. the muslims!
i mean shit..in the usa,the KKK is legally allowed to rally in the street.....odd.....yes-freedom of speech,but freedom of speech of hatred shouldnt be allowed.
@freddygoldstein I'll second that Mr. Freddy, i just wish you'd apply logic when arguing about racism. The state of Israel should be shamed for it's apartheid policy towards the Palestinian people. I'm well aware that you're Islamophobic and a staunch supporter of Geert Wilders' policies in Europe. Stop the bullshit, nobody buys into your 'selective' tolerance. And please don't use lame replies such as 'retard', it's a non argument, I'm sure you can give a more creative answer than that.
Although, there were people informing allies, nothing was ever done. I understand that it was difficult to successfully respond withing the occupied German territory, but Britan did not even attempt to do anything. They did not call for international effort to see what can be done.
@benz500r: Nothing was ever done? Yes, something was done. It was called D-Day. You might have heard of it. It took place on June 6th, 1944. It was the invasion of Western Europe. It took roughly three years to prepare for the invasion. Shame on you for belittling the Allies and the gargantuan operation they had to carry out.
@tomthefunky D-day was not a result of German crimes against civilian population of occupied nations. It had nothing to do with extermination of Jews and other ethnic groups. You confuse historic facts.
@benz500r: 400,000 Americans killed and close to 500,000 British killed. What's the matter? That wasn't enough dead for you? The entire prosecution of the war was to save Jewish civilians? No, the Allied priority was to win the war as fast as possible. Just shut up and be thankful they made the effort at all.
@benz500r well to be fair we were being bombed nightly by the Luftwaffe. and if we had'nt acted at all i can see thing's having been a lot worse for a lot longer.
so many countrie's in this world owe us and the USA a great deal of gratitude for all we've done this past century. granted britain made it's mistake's many many year's ago, but for a very small country we did the best we possibly could for the world in BOTH wars.
@BlackCountryPuddler What do you suggest they could have done? Bomb the railroads to the camps? Railroads were bombed every day in WWII, the Germans had them repaired within hours because they were so important. Bomb the camps? They would have killed tens of thousands of Jews with bombs, and the Nazi's were so hell bent on extermination that they would have gone back to extermination by firing squads like they did in Russia and Baltic countries. Winning the war was the only way to stop it.
@Aethelhald the fact is that after the uprising when rebels have burnt the ovens and barracks, Nazis closed the camp, shows that bombing the railroads and crematoriums could have stopped the killing process
@givedrummersome The rebels destroyed the ovens of only 1 of 4 crematoria, and not even all the ovens. The Nazis didn't then dynamite the entire machinery of mass murder because of the actions of the rebels, they did it because the Russians were close and they had to pack up and move west.
Bombing the railroads would have done nothing, they would have been repaired in 2-4 hours, just like all over Europe at that time. Bombing the gas chambers would have just made them kill by shooting.
Shame on those who are posting showing intolerance of Muslims in Europe. This is the same attitude as the Polish villagers in Grabnow earlier in the film towards the Jews. It was from this kind of beginning that the Shoah happened. We need to remember we are ALL humans and deserve to be treated with a level of dignity regardless of colour or creed. Please try to be more accepting of our differences, I am not Muslim or Jewish I believe in Christian values and try to remember to love all.
rearly62 6 months ago in playlist shoah
@rearly62 The difference between prejudice & murder is night & day. The Poles were NOT guilty of the Holocaust, notwithstanding their bigotry. Intolerance of Muslims? Where on this set of comments is such displayed?
P1B1U1H1 6 months ago
@P1B1U1H1 No some Poles WERE guilty of pogroms (murder) both before and after the war, as well insulting their Jewish neighbours and barring their advancement in public office and the army (Jewish people were not allowed to be officers IIRC). This was a constant theme in many of the Shoah books I have studied, although not only in Poland. Again you need to read the comments below for the answer to your last question (clue look for BlackCountryPuddler).
rearly62 6 months ago
@rearly62 BCP's unsavory comment combines damnation of immigration & an assertion similar to saying those lacking a particular belief eternally burn. One tatterdemalion shown earlier cited her professional advance to egg seller as proof slaughter of Jews brought happiness. The group before the Church limned false-bottomed containers in suitcases with smiles, evincing robbery. Worse than BCP are justifying murders of which one has direct knowledge & enjoying reminiscences of crime.
P1B1U1H1 6 months ago
@rearly62 Your information is based on false propaganda and not historical facts. Although, there was an anti semetic sentiment after WWII, plenty of Jews were in Polish government and even army. Others played major role in crimes against Poles, for example Salomon Morel. Many worked for NKVD as snitches against local people, therefore their neighbors resented against them. Of course, there were just ordinary and honest Jews and they peacefully co-existed with Poles.
benz500r 3 months ago
@benz500r Wrong, my information is based on historical research as this is how I access my data. The level of anti-Semitism before WWII was greater than after and the world did re-assess its view on how Jewish people were treated, however this did not mean it evaporated overnight. What we need to understand is that people who followed the Jewish faith were citizens of Poland, Germany, Lithuania, Estonia, Russia, Hungary etc. who were simply born into or followed a different faith.
rearly62 2 months ago
@rearly62 I do not know what you refered to when you wrote "wrong." If you suggested that Poland collaborated with Nazis when you are wrong. If that refered to something else, you must be more specific. I do not want to guess.
benz500r 2 months ago
@benz500r I referred to your unfair suggestion that my information is based on false propaganda. I would hesitate to suggest ANY country (excluding Croatia) actively collaborated with the Nazi ethnic cleansing. I take great care to research my information using academically valid sources. For example, I recently obtained access to a resource base via the USHMM that allows me to try to locate original documentation and, when I find the time, I intend to use it.
rearly62 2 months ago
@rearly62 Now, I get it. Keep up the good work.
benz500r 2 months ago
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rearly62 6 months ago
@P1B1U1H1 I agree with your statements. Poland did not collaborate with Nazi's and Poles did not participate in holocaust period. As a matter of fact, Poland had the biggest Jewish population of all European countries and that was not by accident. To the contrary, Jews had better and safer lives in Poland than other countries until Nazis attacked that country. Muslims are not even a subject of this clip and there is no signs of any intolerance against them in viewers' postings.
benz500r 3 months ago
@benz500r Well, things were nasty there too for Jews in between the wars. The point is, however, that the worst bigot if he kills no one is better than the nicest murderer.
P1B1U1H1 3 months ago
@schlomohomo1 IM A JEW, HOE. LONG LIVE YI-SRAEL!!!!
freddygo1dstein 8 months ago
@schlomohomo1
freddygoldstein is a bigoted individual posing as open and liberal but he loathes Muslims with a passion.
barzouf 8 months ago
@barzouf
Well, it seems we're share the same vision of this massive fraud. Hell, i even think his name is phoney! You're my kind of guy schlomo.
See yah!
barzouf 8 months ago
@barzouf
i am sure it was better with jews in europe than with muslims. europeans got rid of jews but we were punished and received something much worst. the muslims!
leo1237446 7 months ago
@leo1237446
There are good and bad individuals in both religions. I just don't like extremists of any creed, that's all.
But freddyg is a just a phony.
barzouf 7 months ago
@freddygo1dstein
I like this Fredddy even more, at least he doesn't evade my questions. Thanks
barzouf 8 months ago
@freddygoldstein SHALUMZ BROTHA
freddygo1dstein 8 months ago
@freddygoldstein all of the world:P
i mean shit..in the usa,the KKK is legally allowed to rally in the street.....odd.....yes-freedom of speech,but freedom of speech of hatred shouldnt be allowed.
desireejoyorozco 9 months ago
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@freddygoldstein I'll second that Mr. Freddy, i just wish you'd apply logic when arguing about racism. The state of Israel should be shamed for it's apartheid policy towards the Palestinian people. I'm well aware that you're Islamophobic and a staunch supporter of Geert Wilders' policies in Europe. Stop the bullshit, nobody buys into your 'selective' tolerance. And please don't use lame replies such as 'retard', it's a non argument, I'm sure you can give a more creative answer than that.
barzouf 9 months ago
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barzouf 9 months ago
Although, there were people informing allies, nothing was ever done. I understand that it was difficult to successfully respond withing the occupied German territory, but Britan did not even attempt to do anything. They did not call for international effort to see what can be done.
benz500r 10 months ago
@benz500r: Nothing was ever done? Yes, something was done. It was called D-Day. You might have heard of it. It took place on June 6th, 1944. It was the invasion of Western Europe. It took roughly three years to prepare for the invasion. Shame on you for belittling the Allies and the gargantuan operation they had to carry out.
tomthefunky 9 months ago
@tomthefunky D-day was not a result of German crimes against civilian population of occupied nations. It had nothing to do with extermination of Jews and other ethnic groups. You confuse historic facts.
benz500r 5 months ago
@benz500r: 400,000 Americans killed and close to 500,000 British killed. What's the matter? That wasn't enough dead for you? The entire prosecution of the war was to save Jewish civilians? No, the Allied priority was to win the war as fast as possible. Just shut up and be thankful they made the effort at all.
tomthefunky 5 months ago
@benz500r The vital thing was to destroy the Nazi government.
P1B1U1H1 6 months ago
@benz500r well to be fair we were being bombed nightly by the Luftwaffe. and if we had'nt acted at all i can see thing's having been a lot worse for a lot longer.
so many countrie's in this world owe us and the USA a great deal of gratitude for all we've done this past century. granted britain made it's mistake's many many year's ago, but for a very small country we did the best we possibly could for the world in BOTH wars.
skibadee66 3 months ago
@skibadee66 I know those facts and I understand your position. I apprecite your intelligent response.
benz500r 3 months ago
@BlackCountryPuddler What do you suggest they could have done? Bomb the railroads to the camps? Railroads were bombed every day in WWII, the Germans had them repaired within hours because they were so important. Bomb the camps? They would have killed tens of thousands of Jews with bombs, and the Nazi's were so hell bent on extermination that they would have gone back to extermination by firing squads like they did in Russia and Baltic countries. Winning the war was the only way to stop it.
Aethelhald 1 year ago
@Aethelhald the fact is that after the uprising when rebels have burnt the ovens and barracks, Nazis closed the camp, shows that bombing the railroads and crematoriums could have stopped the killing process
givedrummersome 10 months ago
@givedrummersome The rebels destroyed the ovens of only 1 of 4 crematoria, and not even all the ovens. The Nazis didn't then dynamite the entire machinery of mass murder because of the actions of the rebels, they did it because the Russians were close and they had to pack up and move west.
Bombing the railroads would have done nothing, they would have been repaired in 2-4 hours, just like all over Europe at that time. Bombing the gas chambers would have just made them kill by shooting.
Aethelhald 10 months ago
you're too close to "the pot calling the kettle black" for me....
Thelunit 1 year ago