If you are going to be the VoiceofTruth, you might want to do a little closer study of ancient history or else change your name. You have your Sargons mixed up. There are three rulers named Sargon from ancient history. You combined the exploits of Sargon the Great and Sargon I of Assyria. Go to history-world. org/ videos.html and click on the link "From Bronze to Iron" and Professor Eugen Weber from UCLA will tell you about your Sargon I of Assyria. Then watch the Mesopotamia link about Sumer.
Not all creationists believe that the Flood occurred in the year 2348 B.C. Some believe it occurred in "3835 BC (based on Abraham birth date of 2167 BC and 1688 years elapsed time between birth of Abraham and flood (John Urquhart, How Old is Man, 1904 Morris p 481)" (Stanford). Another: "According to this interpretation, Kings 6:1 should read 1480 years not 480 years, Aardsma believes; correction of this apparent clerical error would then push Usshers flood date back to 3350 B.C." (Stanford).
All true, and all irrelevant. As the video says, you can move the date a long way in either direction (MUCH further than any of the dates you gave) and come up with equally solid historical evidence against it. And that's without even looking at the issues in my other flood video.
Some creationists are now claiming that all animals were vegetarians before Noah's Farce, Genesis 1, verse 30, but some fossilized carnivores still have fossilized prey inside the stomach.
@InternetDarkLord The Creation account does not claim that ALL the fossil graveyard was made from the flood. The prey inside a carnivores stomach is ridiculous. That could be a carnivore that got knocked over, and landed on top of a smaller animal, and the both of them became fossilized together, giving the illusion that the carnivore fossil has prey inside it's stomach. And don't forget about what Genesis 9:3-4 says, MEAT consumption is available after the flood... or still just vegetation }:-)
@ironman197268 There is further evidence of carnivores: teeth marks on bones, dinosaurs that died locked in combat during an avalanche, coprolites, even a dinosaur that choked to death on another dinosaur. The evidence is solid as sandstone.
@InternetDarkLord You can't, cause you are an atheist. I was being facetious when I said "why don't you ask him" However you can try to Email him if you want to...
@ironman197268 The conversation is in circles because you somehow know God can do what he wants with creation, but not why he does it.....how do you know one but not the other?
The bible(old testament, anyway) was the combined folklore and traditions of the hebrew people, and should be taken in that context. consider the fact that nearly all peoples, all over the world, have some kind of flood myth or legend. consider the story of atlantis, about a culture "sinking beneath the waves". also consider the fact that 25% of the population of the earth lives within 50 miles of the ocean, and that number was even higher before modern times, before advances in transportation
@1978atcarroll (continued) technology.Consider the fact that during the last ice age, sea levels were about 300 ft. lower than today. there is evidence that when the north american ice sheet melted, the water was held in a huge lake by an ice dam, and was released into the sea in a short period of time when the ice dam gave out. It all kind of adds up, doesn't it?
"nearly all peoples, all over the world, have some kind of flood myth or legend"
Yes, because nearly all human settlements, all over the world, are built near rivers. It staggers me that some people are still stupid enough to think this is evidence for a global flood. It isn't. It's evidence for lots of LOCAL floods. There has never been a global flood.
@voiceoftruth2006 maybe i wasn't clear, and you misunderstood. I don't think there was a global flood, what i was trying to say is that all these flood stories may have a kernel of truth. but i was not endorsing the judeo-christian literal interpretation of that ancient collection of folklore they misrepresent as holy scripture. "it staggers me that some people are stupid enough to think this is evidence of a global flood." it staggers me that some people don't even grasp that someone agrees
I wasn't forming an opinion on whether you agreed or not. However the claim that "many cultures have a flood myth" is often used in support of the idiot Genesis story.
OK, fair one, looking back at your comments it's clear you WERE agreeing with me. My apologies. I'm writing an astronomy paper just now and I'm slightly distracted.
"No one has ever accouned for the origin of the sediment layers in the strata that even the mountains themselves consist of."
Oh, but they have. Those are layers of sediment laid down on the beds of ancient oceans. Any school geology book will tell you that, and all teh evidence supports it. Using such moronic arguments doesn't exactly help your case.
@voiceoftruth2006 All that proves is that the land was under water and that is what happens when there is a global flood so your "evidence", so far, supports the fact that there was a flood.
The other problem that you have is that the layers are one on top of each other like pancakes with very little errosion between them comparatively speaking. There are many mass burials at various levels.
Fossil current ripples show the direction of the flow of water over the continents and various levels.
@voiceoftruth2006 good presentation i like how you put it together.. but like you said the flood stories come from people that have endored. i'm not saying your right or wrong but peoples memories cold be off on the dates and back then a hge title wave, tsunami or hrricane could feel like to them as iff the world is being flooded. but if the earth hasnt been flooded then why is there structres buildings and sch under water. or even boats ontop of mountains.. so their had to be amassive amount
Ok this video is outdated now. The Turkish government has done their own independent research to verify the world wide flood and Noah. They have now dedicated the mountain passage as Park and national treasure, with a observatory built over the landing sight. They even have what they think is Noah's grave. The exact size was figured to match the bible and they have even gone down into the boat and found conclusive archeological evidence. I suggest all poster here just ask Google about it.
Wrong. The Turkish ministry of tourism has declared that this is where the ark landed. No scientific research has been done because no ark has ever been found or ever will be. The flood is a myth. It never happened.
By the way, Turkey opened the "Noah's Ark National Park" 24 years ago; it's hardly news. And of course it's all based on Ron Wyatt's frauds. The supposed "ark" in the Park is a peridotite formation cross-cut with sedimentary limestone. It isn't, and never was,a boat.
@voiceoftruth2006 Not true at all.. samples where taken and they found laminated beams with iron rivets tying the beams together. They also went down inside it, and found lots of evidence... where have been.
No, they found no such thing. They found volcanic rock. The supposed "iron fittings" removed from the location were sliced, examined and revealed to be black, shiny rock.
@voiceoftruth2006 Not true at all.. samples where taken and they found laminated beams with iron rivets tying the beams together. Many have had to eat cow on this one, as many over looked it, after 4000 years we did not expect to find anything, but the beams where petrified underneath. Entering the cavity was major confirmation of the great ship it was. If this was a mistake, we would not have all these scientist recanting their 1st position. It's no wonder no one can trust you atheists.
No they did NOT find laminated beams. You can't show me a single scientific paper confirming this, can you? Go read "BOGUS "NOAH'S ARK FROM TURKEY EXPOSED AS A COMMON GEOLOGIC STRUCTURE" (1996) by Lorence Collins (a CHRISTIAN geologist) for the evidence. It's a fucking rock.
huh!? HOW SO!? the universe is CHAOTIC! Please explain how you think it was designed... and if you have any evidence that it was designed, or if you have any evidence for whom designed it, i'd LOVE to hear it!
@LeonardSecond If you can't see the Universe is designed, why would you ask me to prove to you who designed and created it? Is there anything on the earth that is not designed?
@MegaSage007 " If you can't see the Universe is designed"
again, it only has the APPEARANCE of being designed to the ignorant... when examined more closely, 99.9(with a billion more nines)% is chaos, while a tiny miniscule insignificant amount APPEARS designed.
"why would you ask me to prove to you who designed and created it?"
#1)because i'm asking you for something i KNOW damn well you cannot provide
#2)because i want to know if you're an ignorant christian or just ignorant creationist
@LeonardSecond How about the supremely intelligently designed Universe doesn't appear designed to the ignoRANT. Where is the 99.9% chaos in this Solar System? SUMMARY: The rest of your comments reveal the truth about you, that you are a reprobate having already fulfilled the Scriptures you say are not God's Word. Romans 1:28/32 You are reprobate. You hate God. You have no understanding.
" How about the supremely intelligently designed Universe doesn't appear designed to the ignoRANT"
how about you providing some evidence instead of looking like a complete fucking moron?
"Where is the 99.9% chaos in this Solar System?"
open your eyes and look dumbass!
"You hate God"
ahhahahhaa! an atheists hates god! what a fucking loon you sound like! do you hate faeries, santa claus, leprechauns, the easter bunny and unicorns? educate yourself you clueless douche
@gregrutz Snowflakes are designed individually by the nature of the force God set in motion. He doesn't have to put each one under a microscope and design it. They came out designed didn't they? But you have cast a spell over your mind with your foolish rebellion against your Maker so your mind can't fucnction ratiionally and you can't even understand the Operator's manual He provided humanity. You are in a sorry mess you poor miserable wretched self destructive excuse for a human.
The genetic catastrophe would actually affect clean and unclean animals equally; as soon as Noah and his family stumbled off their barge the extra 5 of each clean animal were immediately slaughtered to thank god for being a genocidal cunt.
Brilliant video. Thank you. It's worrying that something so evident as the NON existence of the Biblical flood has to be proved again and again to the drooling, blinded throwbacks who happy-clap along to the Creationist dogmatic yapping.
The only thing that can ring true in the story would be that some people heard of the flooding (caused by ice smelting) built a boat and gathered two of every(known) animal in their region (seeing that their grasp of how large the world was was pretty small) and lived on the boat for some days while their valley was flooded and then hit land a week or two after. Then it was told generation by generation, and you know what happens, things get bigger and longer etc... but was it god's work? naaaa
Very good. I like your site. About 6-5,000 years B.C. the last of the ice age was receding. The oceans worldwide rose approximately 400 feet, and remain at that level. This was undoubtedly horrifying to our ancestors, who had centuries to watch vast swaths of land drown. Known villages gradually submerged, fertile hunting and grazing grounds were swallowed by the sea. Today, in Europe, caves found well beneath the current sea level still show prehistoric paintings. Myths offered explanation.
Interesting approach, like somebody else said though, the whole story is problematic, as only a few moments reflection will show, so it's truly amazing that people actually believe it.
so waht exactly are you saying here? do creationists believe creationism i science? Do believers in the bible even consider themselves creationists? iono
I wish I would have known about THIS video before!
With so MANY avenues one can use to debunk this Global Flood myth, I never actually thought about looking for figures of history that would have lived before/after the flood was supposed to have occurred.
but i have just 1 thing to say... EVOLUTION IS A LIE!!!! even Charles Darwin said so on his deathbed!!!! im not making this up he admitted he made it all up and that creationism was ALL TRUE!!!! also evolution is just a THEORY!!!! but ppl have proven that creationism is the TRUTH!!!!! there is so much proof its real but YOUR TOO STUPID TO REALIZE!!!!!!
i think ive proved my point even if you wont believe
There are LOTS of things that would change my mind, but they all involve evidence for a flood - which has not been found anywhere. The story of Darwin's deathbed confession is a known fraud and would be irrelevant even if true: Darwin didn't make ANYTHING up, he just detailed the evidence for evolution by natural selection, and anyone can read his books and see just how strong that evidence is.
Do you know what "theory" means in science? To say "just" a theory is very wrong.
@voiceoftruth2006 you dont think theres any evidence of the flood accually happening?? how?!? how do you explain the sea animal fossils found on MOUNTAINS, or the layer of sedimentary rock found under layers of the crust?? did you know there are over 200 cultures with the same tale of a universal flood, these are NONchristian cultures!! and they've been passing down this same story for centuries, these are just a few examples, theres so much more proof that this
Marine fossils on mountains are explained - very well - by plate tectonics. Sedimentary rocks ARE layers of the crust. There are lots of flood stories because there have been lots of LOCAL floods. There is no proof WHATSOEVER for a global flood, and overwhelming evidence that there has never been one. Scientifically the flood debate is over. It never happened.
@voiceoftruth2006 oh wow plate tectonics yep that certainly explained it NOT and how was the sedimentary layer formed? it didnt just appear just like the rest of this planet, it was formed like how everything is now, and its not about local floods, its about 1 universal flood!!! the story is all the same, just told differently depending on the culture!! your pathetic!!!! how do you explain the grand canyon?! how was that formed hmm? please tell me id luv to hear
@voiceoftruth2006 mhmm.. nice observing... tell me, has it any by chance been proven to be the correct answer? or is it just been another theory youve assumed?
@voiceoftruth2006 yes i know the plates move stuff and whatnot but in order for that to be true it had to of accur millions of years which the earth is only about 6000 years, its impossible for the earth to be millions or billions
@voiceoftruth2006 ppl back then were quite civilized just like ppl today... and its impossible for the earth to be that old otherwise the moon would have drifted completely away from earth because of earths magnetic field wearing away, also the size of the sun 4 billion years ago would have destroyed the earth back then if the sun was that old
Actually the Earth's magnetic field has nothing to do with the moon's orbit and the sun was no bigger 4 billion years ago than it is now. Where are you getting this nonsense from?
@voiceoftruth2006 from school and its not nonsence!!! the sun is contracting its own energy and is shrinking 5 feet every hour, eventually the sun will act like a lightbulb and burn out, its not like the sun is getting stronger within every day, its wearing away just like everything else does
No, the sun is NOT shrinking at 5 feet per hour. This is simply nonsense. Just ask an astronomer. Also, if the sun was losing energy output it would GROW.
@voiceoftruth2006 its just like firewood you idiot, its contracting its own energy, it doesnt make it!! if you studied science you would know that, even evolutionists know it
Actually it's nothing at all like firewood and the sun's energy output is actually INCREASING. It isn't burning: it's fusing hydrogen and slowly approaching the point where it'll start fusing helium too.
@voiceoftruth2006 ok fine be wrong if you want, i dont have time for your stupidity. in your eyes your right and blah blah blah.. i really dont care what you believe but for the record you are stupid and im sorry the goverment helped you grow up that way
The only problem with your argument is that I'm not wrong. The sun is fusing fuel, not burning it, and it isn't shrinking - whether at 5 feet per hour or any other rate you care to name. The sun's mass is only reducing at 18 billion tons an hour and, all other things being equal, that would shrink it by a fraction of an inch. All other things are NOT equal, of course, because as its mass decreases so does its gravity, and this causes the corona to expand slightly.
@voiceoftruth2006 you are wrong though, you cant possibly have all the answers, 1 wrong thing changes everything, like the fact that no1 turns into other species anymore, what happened? tell me i want to know!!!! did they just decide to stop?? i dont think so, how about if you tell me the answer to why the ocean isnt a giant block of salt, i mean if you estimated the time of how much salt is added to the ocean per year, and times it by billions, the answer would be wayy to much than what is now
Actually animals DO still change into other species, although the process is usually (not always) far too slow to see in one lifetime.
As for why the oceans aren't a giant block of salt, that is ridiculously easy. When salts reach a certain concentration in a solution no more can be dissolved and the rest simply precipitate out to the sea bed sediments. Over time this sediment becomes rock: look at a photo of the cliffs at Dover for an example. You are EXTREMELY ignorant.
@voiceoftruth2006 im not ignorant at least im telling you what i learned, you are simply telling me what you learned, if a child learns their whole life its wrong to steal, and another child learns its right to steal, they will both think eachothers right, in reality we will never stop the argument, nor change our minds about it, because in each of our minds we are right and the other is wrong
A touching plea, but the simple fact is that you seem to have learned very little science and most of what you know is wrong. In fact most of it isn't science at all: your claim that the sun is shrinking at 5 feet per hour, for example, is a standard creationist claim with no scientific backing whatsoever and it is FALSE. The sun is staying relatively constant in size but in the future will get MUCH larger. To compare it to firewood is simply ignorant.
I note that I am quite prepared to change my mind if presented with compelling EVIDENCE. If you are not, it means you are closed-minded. I can show you a huge body of scientific evidence about the sun and how it creates energy, about observed speciation, about the rock cycle and the role played by ocean sedimentation, about tectonic plates and mountain formation and about many other things. Will you simply reject it all because some fool taught you the Earth is 6,000 years old?
@voiceoftruth2006 i have a free will to believe in what i want you know, i believe because ive heard all the creation evidence, just because you learned the evolution claim for the sun first, means you dont believe when you hear my evidence, but pretend if you turned on your tv and you knew nothing about how mountains were formed and there was a show telling you and at the end you said "wow thats cool" and you found out it was creatism, would you still believe it?
Of course you have the free will to believe what you want; just don't try to pretend that your belief is the same thing as actual knowledge backed by evidence.
What I said about the sun has NOTHING to do with evolution: it has to do with well-understood physics and it is completely accurate. I don't believe things because they're "cool." I believe them because the evidence supports them. Nor do I get my knowledge of the universe from TV shows, I get it from scientists.
You talk about your "evidence" for the sun, but you don't even seem to be aware that the sun produces energy; I, however, can explain (and back up with evidence) exactly HOW it produces energy and what implications that has for the sun and the Earth billions of years from now. I'm not making "evolution" claims; I'm describing how the sun actually is. Your beliefs are NOT based on evidence, just on simplistic and childish claims made by ignorant people, and they are WRONG.
Now, I want to go back to something you said a few days ago. Why do you think that Earth's magnetic field is "wearing away" and why do you think it has anything to do with the moon's orbit? What is your evidence for these rather bizarre claims?
@voiceoftruth2006 you still didnt answer me, i wasnt say that you'd think it was cool and believe it, i said with all the facts and evidence would you? creationists have evidence too you know, its your choice to believe if its true or not, just how i dont believe you about the sun because i dont believe the evidence you found as for the magnetic field thing, earth has a magnetic field, and thats what holds the moon, but its wearing away, what evolutions believe is that Earth is getting better
@voiceoftruth2006 and not weaker, which isnt true, the earth and everything else is wearing away, and if the earth was billions of years old it would have lost its magnetic field and the moon would have drifted far away, because thats what keeps the moon in place, the moon is already inching apart from earth as it is, and soon it will have drifted off completely out of its orbit around the earth, but because that hasnt happened yet means it could only be thousands of years and not billions
Yes - slowly, and due to tidal effects caused by Earth's oceans. The moon is pulled ahead in its orbit by Earth's tidal bulge: this transfers energy from Earth to the moon, accelerating it and opening its orbit. It also slows Earth's rotation slightly; a couple of billion years ago, a day on Earth lasted 21 hours.
@voiceoftruth2006 im not talking to you anymore i cant help it if your a complete idiot, and i dont care if you dont want to listen to me, just dont forget
@whyarenone i cant argue with that.... its just evolutionists think everything evolved from over a long... LONG period of time, and thats what i dont believe
Like I said, I don't much care if you believe it or not. Just don't pretend that your belief is based on evidence or deserving of respect in the same way as scientific theories are, because the belief that the Earth is only a few thousand years old is ignorant and ridiculous.
@voiceoftruth2006 i seems like you care an aweful lot if your cussing me out now, i dont deal with ppl like you who wont stop til your battles won, no matter how much you protest it'll be more true, honestly ive had enough with you, at least im not consistently saying that your wrong, ive said it once and i proved my point, the fact that you wont stop with me is obvious to how much you want to win this argument
I care about your wilful ignorance and your arrogance, which annoy me.
I don't seem to recall you proving any points though. I DO recall you ignoring most of what I said because you couldn't answer it.
By the way, OF COURSE I want to win this argument, because that would save lives. Were you aware that a major cause of resistant bacteria is the use of antibiotics as animal growth promoters, carried out by the ONLY industrialised country where creationism is popular?
@voiceoftruth2006 im not answering most of what you have to say, not because i dont have an answer, but because i dont want to! i wasnt even going to answer your last question but i did, and because of it i was cussed at. that was quite uncalled for!!! and very unprofessional, and you wont save lives by winning!!! its not like every1 will die if they dont believe in evolution, that is idiotic right there!!! any1 would agree with me with that!! ANYONE!!
Actually it IS because you don't have an answer. I asked you a simple question: what fool told you that the moon is held in orbit by magnetism? See, almost all of what you think you know about science is WRONG and much is actually ridiculous.
Rejecton of evolution has already killed tens of thousands of people per year. The environment is awash with antibiotics because cretard idiots use them to fatten cows, and this causes resistant bacteria to evolve. Creationism kills.
@voiceoftruth2006 ha i have a simple answer for that, i wasnt reading anything you wrote after the 1st cuss word, but i admit over HALF of what you've ever said i havent understood at all, and i dont know EVERYTHING about science, so call me stupid, big deal, at least i admit it, and to your answer about the moon, i learned from my science book about a month ago, at school, happy? or would you also like the name of my book?
Actually I don't believe that your science book says the moon is held in orbit by magnetism: not even American science textbooks are that bad. I think your book says gravity.
@voiceoftruth2006 i live in ok and the book is called science PACE 1096, id like to see you try and replace it, and either way i already finished the book, so what use is it of now?
What use is it? Simple: I (or more precisely the NCSE, which has managed to keep ID out of schools for decades) can try to get it replaced with an accurate book so that future students don't suffer the way you have.
The moon really ISN'T held in orbit by magnetism. Please do some research on this, and you may start to see what I mean. If you're genuinely interested in knowing the facts I'll be happy to help you.
@voiceoftruth2006 as much as i luv learning, i dont need help from some1 who cusses at me for no reason, and yes, its a private christian school, like ive said before ive been learning about creation my whole life, just like how youve learned evolution your whole life
OK, my bad; I didn't know you went to a christian school. I wouldn't have been so hard on you if I had known, so I'm sorry. I thought you were being wilfully ignorant.
Science is a method for looking at the universe. It has nothing at all to do with religion. If there's anything you want to ask me about, feel free: I'll tell you where to find good information and I won't give you a hard time any more.
@voiceoftruth2006 your forgiven i guess, and i do luv science, ive always wanted to learn more about it, but i dont need any of your evolution science, i do have my own beliefs as well, and i dont believe in it, believing in creation is part of religion, if you dont believe in it, you consider the bible a lie, which means you believe God is a lie, which i dont believe
There's no such thing as "evolution science." Science is just knowledge gained by the scientific method: there aren't different types of it. The neo-Darwinian theory of evolution is one theory that explains one aspect of biology. It is the only scientific explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. It doesn't explain ANYTHING else, by the way, only the diversity of life on Earth.
Anyway, let's leave the evo/cret debate alone. Would you like to know about the moon?
@voiceoftruth2006 yes but sometimes they can add evolution details within the science, like once i was learning about dogs and they began talking about how some dogs formed from foxes, which is a part of evolution if im not mistaken
i guess id like to know more about the moon, what information do you have for me?
There have been suggestions that some dogs evolved from foxes, jackals or coyotes, but DNA puts them all as wolves.
Well, there's LOTS of interesting things about the moon! What would be really good is if you could get the book "Bad Astronomy" by Phil Plait, or look at his website, but I can tell you a lot too. For example, are you SURE that magnetism keeps the moon in its orbit, or do you think it might really be gravity?
Interesting. Then why did you insist it was held by magnetism? You said the PACE book says that, but you only have to think about it: you can easily turn a compass needle away from north with your finger even here, INSIDE the magnetic field, but the moon is a quarter of a million miles away and weights 700,000 billion BILLION tonnes! The magnetic field is FAR to weak to hold it: it has no effect on the moon at all.
@voiceoftruth2006 it does say that, im not in elementary anymore, it just said something about how it has something to do with pulling on the moon, they gave an example with showing how mercury still has its magnetic field
and yes i know much about the tides and how the moon controls them
Yes, Mercury still has a magnetic field: it's so hot that, like Earth, it still has a molten core. The Earth's magnetic field doesn't pull on the moon at all, though: the electromagnetic force is pretty short-range. The moon is held in its orbit entirely by gravity and its own velocity.
Did you know that tides are the reason the same face of the moon always faces Earth, and also the reason the moon is (very) slowly moving away from us?
OK, you know that the moon raises TWO tidal bulges on Earth, right? One facing the moon and one facing away from it. But Earth is spinning, and this throws the bulges slightly ahead of the line between the centres of Earth and the moon. With me so far?
The centres of mass. Basically the points in the middle of the planets.
OK, so we have these bulges racing just a bit ahead of the line. The bulges have mass, and that means they also have GRAVITY. Both bulges pull slightly on the moon, but because gravity is an inverse square force the one closest to the moon pulls a bit harder, and it pulls the moon slightly forward of where it should be. Got me?
So, because the moon is being pulled ahead, it goes faster. This means it gains energy. Because energy can't be created or destroyed, the energy has to come from somewhere and that place is Earth. Therefore Earth's rotation slows a tiny bit every day.
But Earth is 80x heavier than the moon, so the same amount of energy has a greater effect on the moon's speed. Because it's going faster, it moves away. Just like spinning a ball round your head on a rubber cord.
Think of Earth's gravity as a stretched rubber cord holding the moon to Earth. If the moon slowed down the cord would contract and pull it closer: however as it's actualy ACCELERATING, the cord stretches and lets the moon move out. One day (billions of years from now) the cord will break when Earth's gravity no longer equals the moon's own kinetic energy; then it will spiral away from us and eventually the spiral will unwind into a straight line.
@voiceoftruth2006 ok but isnt the days going longer part of evolution? i mean in creationism they say the earth was created in 6 days, which each of those 6 days were 24 hours long, of course they were talking about thats why back then the days werent longer, but still they said 24 hours
Oh no, like I said, evolution is only about the diversity of life on Earth. The bible doesn't actually mention hours either: it just says each day had a morning and an evening.
A day has been pretty much 24 hours since humans have existed. the 21-hour day was in the late Precambrian I think. LONG ago. Earth's rotation is slowing incredibly slowly.
The Precambrian is a catch-all term for all geological epochs before the beginning of the Cambrian epoch about 600 million years ago. Life first appeared in the Precambrian but didn't do much until very late in that period.
@voiceoftruth2006 ok so as for the last thing i looked it up and it said in hebrew (which the bible was written in originally) that the term day was called "yom" which usually in the old testament was referred as 24 hour periods, although some found a yom to be weeks and even a year in the bible also, just to let you know
There are a lot of discussions about what "day" meant in Genesis. Sadly ancient Hebrew is a very primitive and imprecise language and it's not always easy to tell what people really meant. However as Genesis says that each day had a morning and an evening, the meaning is clear in this case.
@voiceoftruth2006 and obviously i have no idea about all that cambrian stuff, but tell me, every1 has a theory in evolution as of how it started, the big bang, some1 told me it was a supernova that started it, a star exploded and the universe was created, and my school always told me ppl thought evolution was a germ, well not even that, something smaller, that grew into these animals, id like to know what you believe started it
Um, evolution (more accurately, evolution by natural selection) is just a process. It doesn't have anything to do with the Big Bang and it doesn't even have anything to do with the beginning of life. What it describes is how an initial life form could become all the different species we see today. The theory starts with the existence of replicators (which my ot even have been alive) that didn't replicate perfectly. This causes variation and the fittest variants reproduce more.
@voiceoftruth2006 yes, but isnt it classified as this? i mean its certainly not classified under creationism, so it must have something to do with evolution, and i want to know your thoughts
No, no. The divide isn't between creationism and evolution: it's between creationism and SCIENCE. Evolution in the sense people understand it - Darwin's theory - only refers to one aspect of biology, nothing else. Creationism contradicts dozens of areas of science; evolution and the Big Bang are only significant because they're the two best-supported theories involved. Did you know that evolution is better understood and backed by more evidence than gravity is?
Seriously, go look at any textbook on evolution. It won't mention anything except natural selection, the diversity of life and a few other mechanisms like genetic drift and geographical isolation of populations. There'll be nothing about the Big Bang; that has its own theory.
this bible is oral tradition from south india not real book just copy flood happend 180,000 bc ...
cuteanitha308 1 month ago
If you are going to be the VoiceofTruth, you might want to do a little closer study of ancient history or else change your name. You have your Sargons mixed up. There are three rulers named Sargon from ancient history. You combined the exploits of Sargon the Great and Sargon I of Assyria. Go to history-world. org/ videos.html and click on the link "From Bronze to Iron" and Professor Eugen Weber from UCLA will tell you about your Sargon I of Assyria. Then watch the Mesopotamia link about Sumer.
Standingearth 2 months ago
Not all creationists believe that the Flood occurred in the year 2348 B.C. Some believe it occurred in "3835 BC (based on Abraham birth date of 2167 BC and 1688 years elapsed time between birth of Abraham and flood (John Urquhart, How Old is Man, 1904 Morris p 481)" (Stanford). Another: "According to this interpretation, Kings 6:1 should read 1480 years not 480 years, Aardsma believes; correction of this apparent clerical error would then push Usshers flood date back to 3350 B.C." (Stanford).
rickclayfan 3 months ago
@rickclayfan
All true, and all irrelevant. As the video says, you can move the date a long way in either direction (MUCH further than any of the dates you gave) and come up with equally solid historical evidence against it. And that's without even looking at the issues in my other flood video.
voiceoftruth2006 3 months ago
Some creationists are now claiming that all animals were vegetarians before Noah's Farce, Genesis 1, verse 30, but some fossilized carnivores still have fossilized prey inside the stomach.
InternetDarkLord 6 months ago
@InternetDarkLord The Creation account does not claim that ALL the fossil graveyard was made from the flood. The prey inside a carnivores stomach is ridiculous. That could be a carnivore that got knocked over, and landed on top of a smaller animal, and the both of them became fossilized together, giving the illusion that the carnivore fossil has prey inside it's stomach. And don't forget about what Genesis 9:3-4 says, MEAT consumption is available after the flood... or still just vegetation }:-)
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 There is further evidence of carnivores: teeth marks on bones, dinosaurs that died locked in combat during an avalanche, coprolites, even a dinosaur that choked to death on another dinosaur. The evidence is solid as sandstone.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Like I said, the Creation account does not claim that ALL the fossil graveyard was made from the flood. Thanks for your support!!
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 None of the fossil beds came from Noah's Flood, it never happened.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Weak
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 Genesis 6 implies the Global Flood came because of angel sex. How strong is that?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord That's not all it implies, and It's God's creation FartLord, he can do anything he wants with it.
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 So why have any flood? If God can do anything he wants with creation, he can solve any problem without killing anyone.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Terrible question, why don't you ask him.
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 How can I ask and get an answer? Email?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord You can't, cause you are an atheist. I was being facetious when I said "why don't you ask him" However you can try to Email him if you want to...
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 I am asking a serious question. If God could do anything he wants with his creation, why have a flood at all?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Cause it was his choice??
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 Stop restating the question: Why have a flood at all?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord You're asking the WRONG source!!
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 You are the wrong source for anything, but you are the one who insisted God can do anything he wants with creation.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Yes, God Yahweh can do anything he wants with his creation!!
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 So why have a flood at all? He can solve any problem without killing somebody.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord You're taking this conversation in circles now, my answer is going to be the same as before.
ironman197268 3 months ago
@ironman197268 The conversation is in circles because you somehow know God can do what he wants with creation, but not why he does it.....how do you know one but not the other?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
Fantastic! Reposting on Atheist Asshole dot com as I type this (well, not literally as I type this).
antonahill 6 months ago
The bible(old testament, anyway) was the combined folklore and traditions of the hebrew people, and should be taken in that context. consider the fact that nearly all peoples, all over the world, have some kind of flood myth or legend. consider the story of atlantis, about a culture "sinking beneath the waves". also consider the fact that 25% of the population of the earth lives within 50 miles of the ocean, and that number was even higher before modern times, before advances in transportation
1978atcarroll 7 months ago
@1978atcarroll (continued) technology.Consider the fact that during the last ice age, sea levels were about 300 ft. lower than today. there is evidence that when the north american ice sheet melted, the water was held in a huge lake by an ice dam, and was released into the sea in a short period of time when the ice dam gave out. It all kind of adds up, doesn't it?
1978atcarroll 7 months ago
@1978atcarroll
"nearly all peoples, all over the world, have some kind of flood myth or legend"
Yes, because nearly all human settlements, all over the world, are built near rivers. It staggers me that some people are still stupid enough to think this is evidence for a global flood. It isn't. It's evidence for lots of LOCAL floods. There has never been a global flood.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 maybe i wasn't clear, and you misunderstood. I don't think there was a global flood, what i was trying to say is that all these flood stories may have a kernel of truth. but i was not endorsing the judeo-christian literal interpretation of that ancient collection of folklore they misrepresent as holy scripture. "it staggers me that some people are stupid enough to think this is evidence of a global flood." it staggers me that some people don't even grasp that someone agrees
1978atcarroll 7 months ago
@1978atcarroll
I wasn't forming an opinion on whether you agreed or not. However the claim that "many cultures have a flood myth" is often used in support of the idiot Genesis story.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@1978atcarroll
OK, fair one, looking back at your comments it's clear you WERE agreeing with me. My apologies. I'm writing an astronomy paper just now and I'm slightly distracted.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 it happens to me sometimes too. no problem.
1978atcarroll 7 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 (cont) with them and still find a reason to argue.
1978atcarroll 7 months ago
A more rational presentation of the facts...
watch?v=t0dcH9RFfX8
JungleJargon 7 months ago
@JungleJargon
That's about as rational as a bag of bees. FAIL.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 You are not proving anything.
No one has ever accouned for the origin of the sediment layers in the strata that even the mountains themselves consist of.
JungleJargon 7 months ago
@JungleJargon
"No one has ever accouned for the origin of the sediment layers in the strata that even the mountains themselves consist of."
Oh, but they have. Those are layers of sediment laid down on the beds of ancient oceans. Any school geology book will tell you that, and all teh evidence supports it. Using such moronic arguments doesn't exactly help your case.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 All that proves is that the land was under water and that is what happens when there is a global flood so your "evidence", so far, supports the fact that there was a flood.
The other problem that you have is that the layers are one on top of each other like pancakes with very little errosion between them comparatively speaking. There are many mass burials at various levels.
Fossil current ripples show the direction of the flow of water over the continents and various levels.
JungleJargon 7 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 good presentation i like how you put it together.. but like you said the flood stories come from people that have endored. i'm not saying your right or wrong but peoples memories cold be off on the dates and back then a hge title wave, tsunami or hrricane could feel like to them as iff the world is being flooded. but if the earth hasnt been flooded then why is there structres buildings and sch under water. or even boats ontop of mountains.. so their had to be amassive amount
gcrawford304 6 months ago
Ok this video is outdated now. The Turkish government has done their own independent research to verify the world wide flood and Noah. They have now dedicated the mountain passage as Park and national treasure, with a observatory built over the landing sight. They even have what they think is Noah's grave. The exact size was figured to match the bible and they have even gone down into the boat and found conclusive archeological evidence. I suggest all poster here just ask Google about it.
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru
Wrong. The Turkish ministry of tourism has declared that this is where the ark landed. No scientific research has been done because no ark has ever been found or ever will be. The flood is a myth. It never happened.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru
By the way, Turkey opened the "Noah's Ark National Park" 24 years ago; it's hardly news. And of course it's all based on Ron Wyatt's frauds. The supposed "ark" in the Park is a peridotite formation cross-cut with sedimentary limestone. It isn't, and never was,a boat.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 Not true at all.. samples where taken and they found laminated beams with iron rivets tying the beams together. They also went down inside it, and found lots of evidence... where have been.
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru
No, they found no such thing. They found volcanic rock. The supposed "iron fittings" removed from the location were sliced, examined and revealed to be black, shiny rock.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 Not true at all.. samples where taken and they found laminated beams with iron rivets tying the beams together. Many have had to eat cow on this one, as many over looked it, after 4000 years we did not expect to find anything, but the beams where petrified underneath. Entering the cavity was major confirmation of the great ship it was. If this was a mistake, we would not have all these scientist recanting their 1st position. It's no wonder no one can trust you atheists.
MajesticCyru 7 months ago
@MajesticCyru
No they did NOT find laminated beams. You can't show me a single scientific paper confirming this, can you? Go read "BOGUS "NOAH'S ARK FROM TURKEY EXPOSED AS A COMMON GEOLOGIC STRUCTURE" (1996) by Lorence Collins (a CHRISTIAN geologist) for the evidence. It's a fucking rock.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
@truthseeker010101 STOP SHOUTING! I CAN HEAR YOUR WRITING JUST FINE!
InternetDarkLord 7 months ago
NOAH LANDED 4990 BC ... DUMASS!
truthseeker010101 7 months ago
@truthseeker010101
There is no evidence that Noah ever existed, and the flood story is impossible in so many ways it's not even wrong.
voiceoftruth2006 7 months ago
great vid, but wasn't it the Iron age, not the bronze age?
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
THE EXTRAORDINARILY DESIGNED UNIVERSE REQUIRES AN EXTRAORDINARY DESIGNER.
MegaSage007 8 months ago
@MegaSage007 STOP SHOUTING! I CAN HEAR YOUR WRITING JUST FINE!!!
WHO DESIGNS THE DESIGNER?
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Do you really want to know, you who love darkness more than the Light?
MegaSage007 8 months ago
@MegaSage007 Sure, tell me.
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
@InternetDarkLord There can be no God if he has a creator.
MegaSage007 8 months ago
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@MegaSage007 So we agree on something.
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
@MegaSage007 "EXTRAORDINARILY DESIGNED UNIVERSE"
huh!? HOW SO!? the universe is CHAOTIC! Please explain how you think it was designed... and if you have any evidence that it was designed, or if you have any evidence for whom designed it, i'd LOVE to hear it!
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
@LeonardSecond If you can't see the Universe is designed, why would you ask me to prove to you who designed and created it? Is there anything on the earth that is not designed?
MegaSage007 7 months ago
@MegaSage007 " If you can't see the Universe is designed"
again, it only has the APPEARANCE of being designed to the ignorant... when examined more closely, 99.9(with a billion more nines)% is chaos, while a tiny miniscule insignificant amount APPEARS designed.
"why would you ask me to prove to you who designed and created it?"
#1)because i'm asking you for something i KNOW damn well you cannot provide
#2)because i want to know if you're an ignorant christian or just ignorant creationist
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
@LeonardSecond How about the supremely intelligently designed Universe doesn't appear designed to the ignoRANT. Where is the 99.9% chaos in this Solar System? SUMMARY: The rest of your comments reveal the truth about you, that you are a reprobate having already fulfilled the Scriptures you say are not God's Word. Romans 1:28/32 You are reprobate. You hate God. You have no understanding.
MegaSage007 7 months ago
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" How about the supremely intelligently designed Universe doesn't appear designed to the ignoRANT"
how about you providing some evidence instead of looking like a complete fucking moron?
"Where is the 99.9% chaos in this Solar System?"
open your eyes and look dumbass!
"You hate God"
ahhahahhaa! an atheists hates god! what a fucking loon you sound like! do you hate faeries, santa claus, leprechauns, the easter bunny and unicorns? educate yourself you clueless douche
LeonardSecond 7 months ago
@MegaSage007 Like snowflakes, God designs every one of them. Right?
gregrutz 7 months ago
@gregrutz Snowflakes are designed individually by the nature of the force God set in motion. He doesn't have to put each one under a microscope and design it. They came out designed didn't they? But you have cast a spell over your mind with your foolish rebellion against your Maker so your mind can't fucnction ratiionally and you can't even understand the Operator's manual He provided humanity. You are in a sorry mess you poor miserable wretched self destructive excuse for a human.
MegaSage007 7 months ago
@MegaSage007 Evolution follows the laws of nature, just like a snowflake. Evolution is proven, you lost and don't know it.
gregrutz 7 months ago
@MegaSage007 Praze allah the designer of all. Or was it Ra? Zeus too.
gregrutz 7 months ago
@gregrutz You would be better off choosing to being in the wrong deity than to say you don't believe in any Deity.
MegaSage007 7 months ago
Also:
Genesis says the ark held 7 pairs of clean, 1 pair of unclean animals, "male and female."
1. Some animals don't have 2 genders.
2. Everything would be extremely inbred, unclean ones 7 times as badly.
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
@InternetDarkLord
The genetic catastrophe would actually affect clean and unclean animals equally; as soon as Noah and his family stumbled off their barge the extra 5 of each clean animal were immediately slaughtered to thank god for being a genocidal cunt.
voiceoftruth2006 8 months ago
Brilliant video. Thank you. It's worrying that something so evident as the NON existence of the Biblical flood has to be proved again and again to the drooling, blinded throwbacks who happy-clap along to the Creationist dogmatic yapping.
allieron 8 months ago
This American doesn't believe in anything the bible says.
Cainkane1 9 months ago
There are over 400 "myths" from many cultures around the world, some even predate the written account in Genesis.
emekonen 9 months ago
@emekonen
Well yes, I know. The Genesis myth is largely based on a story from the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh.
Floods are fairly common disasters, so I don't think it's very remarkable to find lots of myths about them and frankly I'm surprised that ANYONE does.
voiceoftruth2006 9 months ago
@voiceoftruth2006 I would not say based on the Epic of Gilgamesh. I actually find more differences than similarities between the two.
emekonen 9 months ago
Jeez, even a 10 year-old would know that the logistics of this story make it impossible.
orangemod 9 months ago
nice video dude..luv it:)
hyams1 10 months ago
The only thing that can ring true in the story would be that some people heard of the flooding (caused by ice smelting) built a boat and gathered two of every(known) animal in their region (seeing that their grasp of how large the world was was pretty small) and lived on the boat for some days while their valley was flooded and then hit land a week or two after. Then it was told generation by generation, and you know what happens, things get bigger and longer etc... but was it god's work? naaaa
tore650 10 months ago
@tore650 Yep, fish stories aren't always about fish.
NorthForkFisherman 10 months ago
Very good. I like your site. About 6-5,000 years B.C. the last of the ice age was receding. The oceans worldwide rose approximately 400 feet, and remain at that level. This was undoubtedly horrifying to our ancestors, who had centuries to watch vast swaths of land drown. Known villages gradually submerged, fertile hunting and grazing grounds were swallowed by the sea. Today, in Europe, caves found well beneath the current sea level still show prehistoric paintings. Myths offered explanation.
135barbara 10 months ago
Interesting approach, like somebody else said though, the whole story is problematic, as only a few moments reflection will show, so it's truly amazing that people actually believe it.
JimTLonW6 11 months ago
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joseff4321 11 months ago
anyone who believes the flood story needs to be beaten with a shovel
pistolpete667 11 months ago
so waht exactly are you saying here? do creationists believe creationism i science? Do believers in the bible even consider themselves creationists? iono
donewithitall1 1 year ago
I wish I would have known about THIS video before!
With so MANY avenues one can use to debunk this Global Flood myth, I never actually thought about looking for figures of history that would have lived before/after the flood was supposed to have occurred.
GOOD JOB!
AtheistToothFairy 1 year ago
@AtheistToothFairy
Ha ha, thanks! There's a sequel, too.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
very will observation but admit it to are fascinated with the bible stories. After all present knowledge evolves to this holy book.
tapinitd 1 year ago
No, have you ever heard of a supernova?
TheDefendingIrish 1 year ago
@TheDefendingIrish
Actually I know quite a lot about supernovae.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
i know anything i say wont change your minds
just like anything you say wont change mine
but i have just 1 thing to say... EVOLUTION IS A LIE!!!! even Charles Darwin said so on his deathbed!!!! im not making this up he admitted he made it all up and that creationism was ALL TRUE!!!! also evolution is just a THEORY!!!! but ppl have proven that creationism is the TRUTH!!!!! there is so much proof its real but YOUR TOO STUPID TO REALIZE!!!!!!
i think ive proved my point even if you wont believe
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
There are LOTS of things that would change my mind, but they all involve evidence for a flood - which has not been found anywhere. The story of Darwin's deathbed confession is a known fraud and would be irrelevant even if true: Darwin didn't make ANYTHING up, he just detailed the evidence for evolution by natural selection, and anyone can read his books and see just how strong that evidence is.
Do you know what "theory" means in science? To say "just" a theory is very wrong.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 you dont think theres any evidence of the flood accually happening?? how?!? how do you explain the sea animal fossils found on MOUNTAINS, or the layer of sedimentary rock found under layers of the crust?? did you know there are over 200 cultures with the same tale of a universal flood, these are NONchristian cultures!! and they've been passing down this same story for centuries, these are just a few examples, theres so much more proof that this
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Marine fossils on mountains are explained - very well - by plate tectonics. Sedimentary rocks ARE layers of the crust. There are lots of flood stories because there have been lots of LOCAL floods. There is no proof WHATSOEVER for a global flood, and overwhelming evidence that there has never been one. Scientifically the flood debate is over. It never happened.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 oh wow plate tectonics yep that certainly explained it NOT and how was the sedimentary layer formed? it didnt just appear just like the rest of this planet, it was formed like how everything is now, and its not about local floods, its about 1 universal flood!!! the story is all the same, just told differently depending on the culture!! your pathetic!!!! how do you explain the grand canyon?! how was that formed hmm? please tell me id luv to hear
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Yes, plate tectonics explains it. It's all about plates colliding and mountains being forced up. This process has been observed.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 mhmm.. nice observing... tell me, has it any by chance been proven to be the correct answer? or is it just been another theory youve assumed?
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Yes, it's been proven to be teh correct answer. The Himalayas, for example, are still rising because India is still moving north.
Once again, do you know what "theory" means in science?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 yes i know the plates move stuff and whatnot but in order for that to be true it had to of accur millions of years which the earth is only about 6000 years, its impossible for the earth to be millions or billions
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
No, the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. There is no doubt about this. 6,000 years ago the Sumerians had already invented beer and glue.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 ppl back then were quite civilized just like ppl today... and its impossible for the earth to be that old otherwise the moon would have drifted completely away from earth because of earths magnetic field wearing away, also the size of the sun 4 billion years ago would have destroyed the earth back then if the sun was that old
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Actually the Earth's magnetic field has nothing to do with the moon's orbit and the sun was no bigger 4 billion years ago than it is now. Where are you getting this nonsense from?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 from school and its not nonsence!!! the sun is contracting its own energy and is shrinking 5 feet every hour, eventually the sun will act like a lightbulb and burn out, its not like the sun is getting stronger within every day, its wearing away just like everything else does
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
No, the sun is NOT shrinking at 5 feet per hour. This is simply nonsense. Just ask an astronomer. Also, if the sun was losing energy output it would GROW.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 its just like firewood you idiot, its contracting its own energy, it doesnt make it!! if you studied science you would know that, even evolutionists know it
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Actually it's nothing at all like firewood and the sun's energy output is actually INCREASING. It isn't burning: it's fusing hydrogen and slowly approaching the point where it'll start fusing helium too.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 ok fine be wrong if you want, i dont have time for your stupidity. in your eyes your right and blah blah blah.. i really dont care what you believe but for the record you are stupid and im sorry the goverment helped you grow up that way
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
The only problem with your argument is that I'm not wrong. The sun is fusing fuel, not burning it, and it isn't shrinking - whether at 5 feet per hour or any other rate you care to name. The sun's mass is only reducing at 18 billion tons an hour and, all other things being equal, that would shrink it by a fraction of an inch. All other things are NOT equal, of course, because as its mass decreases so does its gravity, and this causes the corona to expand slightly.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 you are wrong though, you cant possibly have all the answers, 1 wrong thing changes everything, like the fact that no1 turns into other species anymore, what happened? tell me i want to know!!!! did they just decide to stop?? i dont think so, how about if you tell me the answer to why the ocean isnt a giant block of salt, i mean if you estimated the time of how much salt is added to the ocean per year, and times it by billions, the answer would be wayy to much than what is now
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Actually animals DO still change into other species, although the process is usually (not always) far too slow to see in one lifetime.
As for why the oceans aren't a giant block of salt, that is ridiculously easy. When salts reach a certain concentration in a solution no more can be dissolved and the rest simply precipitate out to the sea bed sediments. Over time this sediment becomes rock: look at a photo of the cliffs at Dover for an example. You are EXTREMELY ignorant.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 im not ignorant at least im telling you what i learned, you are simply telling me what you learned, if a child learns their whole life its wrong to steal, and another child learns its right to steal, they will both think eachothers right, in reality we will never stop the argument, nor change our minds about it, because in each of our minds we are right and the other is wrong
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
A touching plea, but the simple fact is that you seem to have learned very little science and most of what you know is wrong. In fact most of it isn't science at all: your claim that the sun is shrinking at 5 feet per hour, for example, is a standard creationist claim with no scientific backing whatsoever and it is FALSE. The sun is staying relatively constant in size but in the future will get MUCH larger. To compare it to firewood is simply ignorant.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
I note that I am quite prepared to change my mind if presented with compelling EVIDENCE. If you are not, it means you are closed-minded. I can show you a huge body of scientific evidence about the sun and how it creates energy, about observed speciation, about the rock cycle and the role played by ocean sedimentation, about tectonic plates and mountain formation and about many other things. Will you simply reject it all because some fool taught you the Earth is 6,000 years old?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 i have a free will to believe in what i want you know, i believe because ive heard all the creation evidence, just because you learned the evolution claim for the sun first, means you dont believe when you hear my evidence, but pretend if you turned on your tv and you knew nothing about how mountains were formed and there was a show telling you and at the end you said "wow thats cool" and you found out it was creatism, would you still believe it?
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Of course you have the free will to believe what you want; just don't try to pretend that your belief is the same thing as actual knowledge backed by evidence.
What I said about the sun has NOTHING to do with evolution: it has to do with well-understood physics and it is completely accurate. I don't believe things because they're "cool." I believe them because the evidence supports them. Nor do I get my knowledge of the universe from TV shows, I get it from scientists.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
You talk about your "evidence" for the sun, but you don't even seem to be aware that the sun produces energy; I, however, can explain (and back up with evidence) exactly HOW it produces energy and what implications that has for the sun and the Earth billions of years from now. I'm not making "evolution" claims; I'm describing how the sun actually is. Your beliefs are NOT based on evidence, just on simplistic and childish claims made by ignorant people, and they are WRONG.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Now, I want to go back to something you said a few days ago. Why do you think that Earth's magnetic field is "wearing away" and why do you think it has anything to do with the moon's orbit? What is your evidence for these rather bizarre claims?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 you still didnt answer me, i wasnt say that you'd think it was cool and believe it, i said with all the facts and evidence would you? creationists have evidence too you know, its your choice to believe if its true or not, just how i dont believe you about the sun because i dont believe the evidence you found as for the magnetic field thing, earth has a magnetic field, and thats what holds the moon, but its wearing away, what evolutions believe is that Earth is getting better
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
"creationists have evidence too you know"
Nope. There is no scientific evidence AT ALL to support creationism, and a huge mass that contradicts it. Creationism is unscientific and wrong.
"earth has a magnetic field, and thats what holds the moon"
No it fucking isn't. GRAVITY holds the moon in orbit, not magnetism. Neither, however, is "wearing away."
"what evolutions (sic) believe is that Earth is getting better"
Complete shit.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 and not weaker, which isnt true, the earth and everything else is wearing away, and if the earth was billions of years old it would have lost its magnetic field and the moon would have drifted far away, because thats what keeps the moon in place, the moon is already inching apart from earth as it is, and soon it will have drifted off completely out of its orbit around the earth, but because that hasnt happened yet means it could only be thousands of years and not billions
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
"thats what keeps the moon in place"
No it fucking ISN'T!
"the moon is already inching apart from Earth"
Yes - slowly, and due to tidal effects caused by Earth's oceans. The moon is pulled ahead in its orbit by Earth's tidal bulge: this transfers energy from Earth to the moon, accelerating it and opening its orbit. It also slows Earth's rotation slightly; a couple of billion years ago, a day on Earth lasted 21 hours.
WHO is telling you all this fucking nonsense?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 im not talking to you anymore i cant help it if your a complete idiot, and i dont care if you dont want to listen to me, just dont forget
YOU ASKED I SIMPLY JUST GAVE YOU MY ANSWER
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Complete idiot? Hang on, it isn't ME who thinks the moon is held in orbit by magnetism.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan the earth might be billions of years old, i don't believe it but the bible doesn't say anything against it
whyarenone 1 year ago
@whyarenone
Actually bible geneologies imply that the earth cannot be older than 6,000 years, remember?
Orthrus 1 year ago
@Orthrus all I said was that I don't know
whyarenone 1 year ago
@whyarenone
And you also said that the bible doesn't say anything against it.
It does. And therefore the bible is wrong.
Orthrus 1 year ago
@Orthrus I don't know how old the earth is that's why I said I didn't know, it might be 6000
whyarenone 1 year ago
@whyarenone
Actually it isn't 6,000. There is no might about it. The bible is simply wrong.
Orthrus 1 year ago
@whyarenone
"it might be 6000"
No, it definitely isn't.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@whyarenone i cant argue with that.... its just evolutionists think everything evolved from over a long... LONG period of time, and thats what i dont believe
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Like I said, I don't much care if you believe it or not. Just don't pretend that your belief is based on evidence or deserving of respect in the same way as scientific theories are, because the belief that the Earth is only a few thousand years old is ignorant and ridiculous.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 i seems like you care an aweful lot if your cussing me out now, i dont deal with ppl like you who wont stop til your battles won, no matter how much you protest it'll be more true, honestly ive had enough with you, at least im not consistently saying that your wrong, ive said it once and i proved my point, the fact that you wont stop with me is obvious to how much you want to win this argument
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
I care about your wilful ignorance and your arrogance, which annoy me.
I don't seem to recall you proving any points though. I DO recall you ignoring most of what I said because you couldn't answer it.
By the way, OF COURSE I want to win this argument, because that would save lives. Were you aware that a major cause of resistant bacteria is the use of antibiotics as animal growth promoters, carried out by the ONLY industrialised country where creationism is popular?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 im not answering most of what you have to say, not because i dont have an answer, but because i dont want to! i wasnt even going to answer your last question but i did, and because of it i was cussed at. that was quite uncalled for!!! and very unprofessional, and you wont save lives by winning!!! its not like every1 will die if they dont believe in evolution, that is idiotic right there!!! any1 would agree with me with that!! ANYONE!!
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Actually it IS because you don't have an answer. I asked you a simple question: what fool told you that the moon is held in orbit by magnetism? See, almost all of what you think you know about science is WRONG and much is actually ridiculous.
Rejecton of evolution has already killed tens of thousands of people per year. The environment is awash with antibiotics because cretard idiots use them to fatten cows, and this causes resistant bacteria to evolve. Creationism kills.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 ha i have a simple answer for that, i wasnt reading anything you wrote after the 1st cuss word, but i admit over HALF of what you've ever said i havent understood at all, and i dont know EVERYTHING about science, so call me stupid, big deal, at least i admit it, and to your answer about the moon, i learned from my science book about a month ago, at school, happy? or would you also like the name of my book?
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Actually I don't believe that your science book says the moon is held in orbit by magnetism: not even American science textbooks are that bad. I think your book says gravity.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 ITS THE TRUTH AND IT DID NOT SAY GRAVITY IT SAID MAGNITISM I WILL NOT LET YOU CALL ME A LIAR!!!!!
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
If it says magnetism it's wrong. What's the book called and what state do you live in? I'm going to report it to the NCSE and try to get it replaced.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 i live in ok and the book is called science PACE 1096, id like to see you try and replace it, and either way i already finished the book, so what use is it of now?
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
What use is it? Simple: I (or more precisely the NCSE, which has managed to keep ID out of schools for decades) can try to get it replaced with an accurate book so that future students don't suffer the way you have.
The moon really ISN'T held in orbit by magnetism. Please do some research on this, and you may start to see what I mean. If you're genuinely interested in knowing the facts I'll be happy to help you.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Oh wait... you go to a private christian school or you're home-schooled, right?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 as much as i luv learning, i dont need help from some1 who cusses at me for no reason, and yes, its a private christian school, like ive said before ive been learning about creation my whole life, just like how youve learned evolution your whole life
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
OK, my bad; I didn't know you went to a christian school. I wouldn't have been so hard on you if I had known, so I'm sorry. I thought you were being wilfully ignorant.
Science is a method for looking at the universe. It has nothing at all to do with religion. If there's anything you want to ask me about, feel free: I'll tell you where to find good information and I won't give you a hard time any more.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 your forgiven i guess, and i do luv science, ive always wanted to learn more about it, but i dont need any of your evolution science, i do have my own beliefs as well, and i dont believe in it, believing in creation is part of religion, if you dont believe in it, you consider the bible a lie, which means you believe God is a lie, which i dont believe
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
There's no such thing as "evolution science." Science is just knowledge gained by the scientific method: there aren't different types of it. The neo-Darwinian theory of evolution is one theory that explains one aspect of biology. It is the only scientific explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. It doesn't explain ANYTHING else, by the way, only the diversity of life on Earth.
Anyway, let's leave the evo/cret debate alone. Would you like to know about the moon?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 yes but sometimes they can add evolution details within the science, like once i was learning about dogs and they began talking about how some dogs formed from foxes, which is a part of evolution if im not mistaken
i guess id like to know more about the moon, what information do you have for me?
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
There have been suggestions that some dogs evolved from foxes, jackals or coyotes, but DNA puts them all as wolves.
Well, there's LOTS of interesting things about the moon! What would be really good is if you could get the book "Bad Astronomy" by Phil Plait, or look at his website, but I can tell you a lot too. For example, are you SURE that magnetism keeps the moon in its orbit, or do you think it might really be gravity?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 no i know its held by the earths gravity, i was taught that long ago in elementary
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Interesting. Then why did you insist it was held by magnetism? You said the PACE book says that, but you only have to think about it: you can easily turn a compass needle away from north with your finger even here, INSIDE the magnetic field, but the moon is a quarter of a million miles away and weights 700,000 billion BILLION tonnes! The magnetic field is FAR to weak to hold it: it has no effect on the moon at all.
Anyway, do you know about the moon and tides?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 it does say that, im not in elementary anymore, it just said something about how it has something to do with pulling on the moon, they gave an example with showing how mercury still has its magnetic field
and yes i know much about the tides and how the moon controls them
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Yes, Mercury still has a magnetic field: it's so hot that, like Earth, it still has a molten core. The Earth's magnetic field doesn't pull on the moon at all, though: the electromagnetic force is pretty short-range. The moon is held in its orbit entirely by gravity and its own velocity.
Did you know that tides are the reason the same face of the moon always faces Earth, and also the reason the moon is (very) slowly moving away from us?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 ive never understood the face of the moon.. but how do the tides have anything to do with it moving away?
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Ha ha, this is why I love science!
OK, you know that the moon raises TWO tidal bulges on Earth, right? One facing the moon and one facing away from it. But Earth is spinning, and this throws the bulges slightly ahead of the line between the centres of Earth and the moon. With me so far?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 i think, what are the centres?
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
The centres of mass. Basically the points in the middle of the planets.
OK, so we have these bulges racing just a bit ahead of the line. The bulges have mass, and that means they also have GRAVITY. Both bulges pull slightly on the moon, but because gravity is an inverse square force the one closest to the moon pulls a bit harder, and it pulls the moon slightly forward of where it should be. Got me?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 yes i think i do now
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Cool!
So, because the moon is being pulled ahead, it goes faster. This means it gains energy. Because energy can't be created or destroyed, the energy has to come from somewhere and that place is Earth. Therefore Earth's rotation slows a tiny bit every day.
But Earth is 80x heavier than the moon, so the same amount of energy has a greater effect on the moon's speed. Because it's going faster, it moves away. Just like spinning a ball round your head on a rubber cord.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Think of Earth's gravity as a stretched rubber cord holding the moon to Earth. If the moon slowed down the cord would contract and pull it closer: however as it's actualy ACCELERATING, the cord stretches and lets the moon move out. One day (billions of years from now) the cord will break when Earth's gravity no longer equals the moon's own kinetic energy; then it will spiral away from us and eventually the spiral will unwind into a straight line.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 ok but isnt the days going longer part of evolution? i mean in creationism they say the earth was created in 6 days, which each of those 6 days were 24 hours long, of course they were talking about thats why back then the days werent longer, but still they said 24 hours
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Oh no, like I said, evolution is only about the diversity of life on Earth. The bible doesn't actually mention hours either: it just says each day had a morning and an evening.
A day has been pretty much 24 hours since humans have existed. the 21-hour day was in the late Precambrian I think. LONG ago. Earth's rotation is slowing incredibly slowly.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 i guess thats true, but what is this precambrian?
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
The Precambrian is a catch-all term for all geological epochs before the beginning of the Cambrian epoch about 600 million years ago. Life first appeared in the Precambrian but didn't do much until very late in that period.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 ok so as for the last thing i looked it up and it said in hebrew (which the bible was written in originally) that the term day was called "yom" which usually in the old testament was referred as 24 hour periods, although some found a yom to be weeks and even a year in the bible also, just to let you know
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
There are a lot of discussions about what "day" meant in Genesis. Sadly ancient Hebrew is a very primitive and imprecise language and it's not always easy to tell what people really meant. However as Genesis says that each day had a morning and an evening, the meaning is clear in this case.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 and obviously i have no idea about all that cambrian stuff, but tell me, every1 has a theory in evolution as of how it started, the big bang, some1 told me it was a supernova that started it, a star exploded and the universe was created, and my school always told me ppl thought evolution was a germ, well not even that, something smaller, that grew into these animals, id like to know what you believe started it
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Um, evolution (more accurately, evolution by natural selection) is just a process. It doesn't have anything to do with the Big Bang and it doesn't even have anything to do with the beginning of life. What it describes is how an initial life form could become all the different species we see today. The theory starts with the existence of replicators (which my ot even have been alive) that didn't replicate perfectly. This causes variation and the fittest variants reproduce more.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 yes, but isnt it classified as this? i mean its certainly not classified under creationism, so it must have something to do with evolution, and i want to know your thoughts
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
No, no. The divide isn't between creationism and evolution: it's between creationism and SCIENCE. Evolution in the sense people understand it - Darwin's theory - only refers to one aspect of biology, nothing else. Creationism contradicts dozens of areas of science; evolution and the Big Bang are only significant because they're the two best-supported theories involved. Did you know that evolution is better understood and backed by more evidence than gravity is?
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago
@voiceoftruth2006 hmm fine then
4evamileyfan 1 year ago
@4evamileyfan
Seriously, go look at any textbook on evolution. It won't mention anything except natural selection, the diversity of life and a few other mechanisms like genetic drift and geographical isolation of populations. There'll be nothing about the Big Bang; that has its own theory.
voiceoftruth2006 1 year ago