:-( How did these few individuals survive? It seems as thought the odds were against them. Thank God they somehow made it out. I grieve for the lost souls.
Plus the fact that those folks were surrounded by 150 miles of dense jungle, no means of personal transportation, no passports or money? Unless they were magicians, there was no way out.
I wonder how many would have chose to live or die if they had the right to chose. I'm sure many would have killed themselves but I often wonder how many would have chose to live.
From survivors accounts it seems that many of the members that took the poison willingly assumed that this was just another "white night" drill. They had, reportedly, practiced the proceedure on numerous occasions with no poison in the drink and on the night of the actual massacre the opinion of the masses was that this was just another drill until the chidren and the first to drink started dying around them.
I was thinking that many thought it was a drill until they saw babies dying around them. That brings me to the next question, didn't they think that perhaps one day the drill would be real? I mean if so many didn't want to die, why didn't they leave when he started making them practice suicide drills? That would have been a warning sign to me that one day, maybe the drill will be real. It seems Christine Miller knew it was the real thing and was trying to talk him out of it.
You're dealing with a charismatic person, a common knowledge that he's whacked out on opiates and amphetimine did not sway his followers trust in him.
Jim Jones followed a very old philosophy:
All that you have to do to keep a man content is give him someone to love,
If you can't do that, give him something to believe in, and if you can't do that, just give him something to fucking DO. Research the day to day and you see how many weren't in a mental or physical position to react accordingly.
I don't know why the arrival of Sen. Ryan didn't tip more off to the fact that this was the real deal. Perhaps many didn't believe that he had the physical capabilities to harm them in that manner eg. didn't actually have the cyanide. Some of the higher ups must have known, Ms. Miller comes to mind as she did try to get him to spare the babies, but they also would have been the ones most indoctrinated into his madness to hold positions of trust.
We do know that the decision, when it was made, was a quick one. If there had been any element of true planning, JJ would not have allowed his two sons and the basketball team attend the game and survive their "statement".
I don't know if this helps. It doesn't answer the question of why JJ believed Dwyer was there during the last hours or who taped the final recording of the news reports after the deaths but there is a groupthink mentality that makes the events of Jonestown entirely plausable.
You have a community of people who had seen horrible things: McCarthy hearings, assassinations of prominent civil rights leaders and political figures, poor young men stolen from whatever their calling may have been to fight a war that you;re bound to lose. Remove these people from that situation for 3 years, then tell them that the previous situation has gone to hell and is now coming for them and it becomes very easy to limit their options and sway their actions..
i know that jim jones started to lose it when he became a methodist & preached at methodist churches. but when he started his CA & other temples in the US & then in Jonestown, was he still preaching methodist? Is methodist a cult? Or can a methodist get lost & get in a cult like this?
it's not a cult, it's a sect... and methodism is neither, it is a denomination. He seemed to have had a mental disorder or perhaps immoral thoughts as a child, since he stabbed a cat..they say murderers start out with small acts of violence and it usually increases into worse acts. In that case, it was inevitable that he became this sordid and evil.
that is the most disgusting thing i have ever heard or seen jim jones was a fucking maniac that wasnt revilutionary suicide that was murder!!! unbelievable.......
people let others control them because they have no direccion in life.and any one who belives in a man who uses God to manipulate deservs death, the only ones i feel sorry about are the children and anyone who try to scape and could't find its way out.GOD is a loving GOD...SATAN IS ALSO A GOD...OF EVIL...and he was the one jim jones was saving this people for...please educate your self, read but dont belive evrything you read, trust but not blidly, you may get poisoned by a love one.osea
sorry but I had to laugh at "SATAN IS ALSO A GOD...OF EVIL" bahaha
You have a point, but I don't think anyone deserves to die, for being lost. Maybe they were just looking for direction, and didn't know where exactly to turn. Initially, the cult was seemingly positive. That's how he drew the 'lost' people in. That being said though, many chose to stick with him, after the atrocious things he committed, so that does tell you quite a lot about his followers' sense of morals too.
I'm glad you can laugh of that because i love making people happy. And i like your way to say things very nicely, i can sense you are a nice person. Jahova is a loving and caring God who is always there for me,but i also know that Satan is around having fun with our tormented everyday life and using people to turne us against the father. i'm ok with the fact that people have the right to belive or not.because in the end i'm just another inperfect human with no right to judge my brothers. :)
I agree with you. After the immoral things he started doing that should had been a warning sign to the followers but many were so brainwashed, firm believers of what he was preaching, and feeling they had nothing outside of People's Temple, that many were willing to die. I have to say from listenining to the tapes, any preacher who would curse and talk about sex in the way Jones did would make me run. The way the members talked freely about sex was shocking. I guess morals wasn't a high standard
Dr. Alberto Rivera an ex-Jesuit deep into the occult late in the 60s, said himself to have met Jim Jones a couple of times in secret meetings to accomplish the agenda of the Jesuit Order.
It all ties up on the top, their master is sat in Rome as King, and respond by the name of "Holy Father" if you wish.
maybe someone can answer my question..how did these people that are alive now survive? if the people around them are being made to die, how did these people survive without drinking the koolaid or being murdered?
There was a movie with Powers Boothe some years ago. It showed that a few survived by managing to slip away and/or hide amidst all the chaos & pandemonium...
Some people were saved by some official who came to the place with a couple of choppers (or planes I don't remember), they took some people who told them the truth about the temple, as many as the aircrafts could take... The next day they came back, with armed forces I beleive but it was too late.
it´s really amazing what you can make people do to themeselfs, really amazing, humans believe wha they are told, ive come to this realisation very recently, it´s heartbreaking to realise how easily controlled and manipulated us humans really are.
It's called destructive mind control,its done through deception and manipulation of people by subtly controlling their access to critical information,their critical thoughts,controlling their behaviour and manipulating them by instilling intense fear of would would happen to them if they left.
humans dont need religion they only need to believe in god and try to not make those stupid mistakes. thats my opinion I hope Im not insulting anybody
I concur. There definitely was more people to fight back against Jones, the guards, nurses. The members could have overpowered him. If more would have joined in with Christine Miller, maybe all those people wouldn't have died. The members believed so much in that man, in spite of his many wrongs, that they were willing to die. They believed they would be hurt if they lived, not helped. I often wonder how many woke up at the last minute and realized it wasn't right but it was too late
But its really hard for me to believe that 900people were really and willing to drink the cyanide. I believe that most of they were forced, and that some had been murdered.
Yeah, I believe alot of them were forced to drink that poison too. At the end they wanted out, but he would'nt let them. And It really was very heartbreaking to hear those babies cry at the end, so sad.
I know...I just couldnt believe what I had saw, and how so easily influenced they were by the non-sensable words this man was saying. Killing newborns, and such. This man was sick :( You can hear the babies crying in the audio background when he said "Die with dignity, die with respect". I almost wanted to cry.
A lot of the blacks was attracted to People's Temple because it offered them equality, freedom, Jones did help a lot of people change their lives, which is how a manipulator traps you. Most of the blacks attracted to People's Temple had a lot of drama in their lives, was beat down, People's Temple cleaned them up and gave them peace. Many dedicated their lives to People's Temple and said People's Temple saved their lives.
Jones made them believe they'll never find peace or equality in the world so they went along with his revolutionary suicide. I wish someone rational could have told them the way to freedom is to keep living and fighting. Dying isn't the way to change the world. Jones just felt if I have to suffer, they'll have to. Religion is suppose to be about free will. If you can't come, go, dress as you please, if your separated, your in a cult.
People who live their entire lives according to the propaganda mandates of any person (politician, talk show host, etc..) are cult followers.
The only difference between Jim Jones and Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olbermann is that the followers of the latter two haven't been told to kill themselves.
You right. Never trust men but this tragedy proved to me trust no one 100%, be suspicious of everyone, especially when it comes to religion. Look at all these murders today by husbands/parents murdering their children/wives, the wives/children never would think the one person they trusted would kill them. It seems the people we trust, think will never hurt us, always do. People worship Obama, I'm black, but I worship no man, lots of people will be crushed to find he just another lying politician
Churches are nothing else but brainwashing stations. An spiritual leader is nothing else but a predator that targets weak minds, and turn them into blind followers. like an army they need foot soldiers, but if you notice their way of life they are nothing but followers that get their ideas of a salvation of their sinful lives from one book only. Salvation from what? from themselves? Organized religion is a poison for mankind.
actually some churches are good and preach the Bible,we all need to determine what is true and what is an occult,if we study what the Bible says then listen to what God is telling us to do then I believe God's powerful word is there!!!
When did Jesus *ever* preach that? Luke19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.- Jesus Christ.
The people of Samaria are guilty as charged because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed in war, their children will be smashed to death, and their pregnant women will be ripped open Hosea 13:16
Nenhum tipo de tirania, ditadura ou qualquer espécie de intransigência política ou religiosa serve para a humanidade. Tudo isso leva a loucura, assassinatos e suicídios. Exemplos: Hitler e Jim Jones.
PBS, what a joke!... Yes its very funny. What kills me is that they get donations, tax breaks, and govornment money. You think they would be fare and balanced...no! Tavis smiley, FrontLine, Sesame st. etc.. all communist, liberal, subjectivist rhetoric.
PBS cleans up the communist connection, even when they play the recording of Jones exhorting his followers to commit suicide. The full quotation was "Stop this hysterics. This is not the way for people who are Socialists or Communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity." Why would they play only the last sentence?
Jim Jones is a reflection of Hitler, both inspired people who were vulnerable and desperate for hope, exploited their fears by blaming others and gained overwhelming support only for it to crash.
i cant beleive they call this a massacre. these were a bunch of fucking idiots who believed a convicted felon was the messiah. the only people i feel sorry for were the kids that were murdered by their whacked out parents. may all of these people with the exception of the kids burn in hell. stupid motherfuckers!
He actually wasn't dumb and I say that as someone who thinks he was evil. But he was a master manipulator, a charismatic, the sort of man that people follow. That doesn't mean I like him.
Yes...for that day and that populatioin he held charisma and had a message. Such a man couldn't sway people much today with the same claims and logic...but in the late '60's through '70's ...yeah.
Do remember that Heaven's Gate was not all that long ago. As long as there are disenfranchised people, people like Jones or Applewhite will have followers.
y'all swallowed it like a fat worm. oh, no, it couldn't happen now, we're too smart! don't be an idiot, the media feeds us shit everyday, and we eat it like caviar!! stupid sheeple.....
BrynMawrYamBag -- Actually, there were only 2 found at the compound who were shot - Jim Jones and his nurse, Annie. Several were shot at the congressman's airplane. The others at the compound died by cyanide poisoning.
this wasnt really about religion it was more political, the wanted to create a country where they would ALL be accepted. My sons babysitter was a surviving victim, and she explained it all to me.
This is an important point. Jones was evil but he also knew how to get people to follow him. He spoke of equality, acceptance, of utopia. People have to understand that those at Jonestown were not forced to go there. They went because they were convinced that something very wonderful was there for them.
The majority of his congregation were poor blacks, comprised of numerous seniors, children (300+) and other relatively socially marginalized individuals who felt the found family. Who knows??? Maybe they did! But a man with Jones wouldn't have the where-with-all to have influence today...anybody can see this man is a Charlatan with obvious meglomaniac tendencies.
Crowd. Crowd. Crowd. Crowd. human is the wisest animal on the face of this planet, but theres nothing more idiotic than a crowd when theres one person around who has Charisma and agenda. American biblebelt, jonestown, Nazi-germany, bomberislamists (extremists), waco. varying degrees of questionable agendas bastardized from original ideals but all led by someone, all led by a person who has immense charisma and believes to be right.
What makes 900 peoples kill themselves?? Well many of these victims were found with gunshot wounds and needle marks..I wouldnt say 900 killed themselves..maybe 400..the rest had help. BUT the precursor to this tragedy was BLIND FAITH. Desperate blind faith.
Many of these people died because they couldn't fight back. Too bad they didn't have guns and the 2nd amendment to protect them. Imagine if 100 men in that crowd had a pistol to fight back against their government who was Jim Jones... how is that any different then obummer who will try and collect your guns today... after that the government can do to you what they please... Jefferson in infinite wisdom saw this eventuality over 200 years ago
I am very religious and would never ever think that someone could do that. This guy was clearly parinoid. He also was'nt a conservative Christian. He was a radical leftist civil rights California druggy Christian.
A conservative Christian cares about life and family. And would never do that to people because it would be against their morals. A leftist radical leftist Christian is like Fred Phelps and Jim Jones. Man I just really feel bad for those kids.
It's not about christianity. It's hard to say that a true christian would do this, and a true christian would do that. Its any selfless person. Jim Jones did it all for himself.
JIM JONES IS INSANE!!!!!! JIM JONES IS CRAZY!!!!! He don't have to do that.... There is hope.... There is God that will lead them from darkness to light.... Anyway, i don't think he believes in god. He call his people his children. It's not his children, he did not died for them.... It is only god can call us children. It is only god that died for us.... So go to hell Jim Jones!!! Your religion is not supposed to be named as People's Temple but People's calvary or death.
if you cared to watch the other videos, you'd have noticed that when they talked about him throwing the bible and no lightening striking him down, he was basically saying there was no god up there.
JIM JONES IS INSANE!!!!!! JIM JONES IS CRAZY!!!!! He don't have to do that.... There is hope.... There is God that will lead them from darkness to light.... Anyway, i don't think he believes in god. He call his people his children. It's not his children, he did not died for them.... It is only god can call us children. It is only god that died for us.... So go to hell Jim Jones!!! Your religion is not supposed to be named as People's Temple but People's calvary or death.
first time i saw this on tv i cried when that old man said he wanted to go home for christmas to see his famaily and how defeated that man sounded when he said "no" when asked again if he wanted to go home...Jim Jones is evil and burns in hell
Stewster1993 shut up and do some proper research and keep your mouth shut until you do. I have been studying the PT for 2 years and i beleive the members (though certainly not rational) were not crazy or stupid, just idealists. As itzallqud07 said anyone who refused to willingly drink the koolaid was forcibly injected by temple security although only two people died from gunshot wounds (Jones and his secutary).
i just saw part of a documentary on them. it is terribly sad. maybe if the world weren't so messed up they wouldn't have followed this evil person...so sad. i was a kid when this happened and never really knew what happened.
Hmmm, well, some people did want to live and protested against it. They got shot or were forced by 3 people to the ground and were injected the poison. Do your research on what happened people.
The following comment stems from ignorance regarding thought reform (i.e. brainwashing) and the power of a charismatic leader. Do your homework first. It could happen to you. "About 300 kids were murdered. but the parents, they committed suicide. they're the ones to blame. i really cant understand why in the world they would listen to that man. No matter how much he claimed to be God you omg you just don't kill yourself when some idiot says to."
IF someone told you to jump off a bridge you'd you? probably not. If someone told you to drink the koolaid would you? hell these people didn't care =D. Foaming at the mouth? damn that must be a new flavor *gulp*
what is wrong with u??i didn't mention anything about following whatever they do..i said i was interested in the whole tragedy thing cos i am a sociology student that is all!gee whiz
IF someone told you to jump off a bridge you'd you? probably not. If someone told you to drink the koolaid would you? hell these people didn't care =D. Foaming at the mouth? damn that must be a new flavor *gulp*
You would probably like to see some of the actual news reporting following the tragedy that JonestownArchives has posted. You might want to check it out.
this whole event brings tears to my eyes. this is what happens when someone gains power, how people saw him as a god, and then gets paranoid. stalin, hitler, pol pot, the only difference is that these people were brain washed into killing themselves. sad just sad, i feel so sad for these people, even while i type this tears come to my eyes.
alot of what was going on at the peoples temple was already leaked out before they moved to guyana, like: beatings, abuse, financial fraud, ex members coming forth. And Jim Jones was already far wacked out on drugs. All of this before there move to Guyana. I just wished they would of caught him before they left, then all of these people would of been alive today.
And dont forget this was the 1970's we are talking about. Civil protests everywhere, war,political turmoil,government scandals, etc..the country was doing through some changes,totally different era than today. The civil rights movement was ripe and Jim Jones preached equality and marxism to these people. So many people fell for his ideas. Its just sad that all of his evil wrong doings were not fully disclosed in time before his move to guyana. So that the authorities could of moved in on time.
Jim Jones had one of the first soup kitchens in San Francisco at that time so, these people had no where to stay. He was taking in so many people from the streets at that time. Sadly, these people were deceived. Notice the ones who left the cult were only the middle class people who knew better but the unfortunate stayed. And yes, these people were 100% murdered. If they fought back, there were plenty of bullets ready to be used. Only a few ran into the jungle and survived, others were shot.
Please do your research on this tragedy before posting stupid comments. The majority of the people who died in guyana were the unfortunate and neglected. Most of the children were orphans or foster kids which Jim Jones adopted or gained custody from the city of San Francisco. The city awarded Jim Jones these children for his "suppose godly deeds". And many of the adults were ex-drug addicts and ex-cons from the bay area. So obviously, he had alot of unfortunate people down on their luck.
I never understood why there arent more people talking about the fact that the people in authority in The Peoples Temple were mostly whites. Most of the people that died were black. Also it's rarely mentioned that Stanley Clayton's related to Huey Newton (Black Panther founder and leader). Jones tried to convert the Panthers and also get some for security. He preached equality and gave none.
how could people be so damn stupid and have done that?! did they have no common sense?! as soon as i were told to kill myself for watever reason i would have been like "fuck this shit, i want to live". i wonder how the survivors managed to leave bc i heard that those who didnt commit suicide were shot.
The survivors (many of them) survived because they snuck out "hauled ass to the jungle" and looked the other way like they always did. Cause when push came to shove, they weren't about to die like all their "comrades". Most that survived were high ups in the Temple and also, of course..Jones' sons. Amazing ain't it?
the same way blacks fought against whites with martin luther king motherfucker! they didnt have machine guns idiot they had guns or rifles that wouldnt have been enough to kill 900 people! idiot
Even if you didn't take the Kool Aid, they would of killed you on the spot. The Survivors hid in the jungle. Almost 900 + were killed, not suicide, but killed.
well if u consider drinking poison by choice being killed, then i guess. To me it was murder suicide. People always have a choice in life they could have chosen to fight but they were cowards.
They were forced. They did not have a choice to drink or not, they were forced. Some were even brought to the ground and given it by a shot if they decided not to drink it. Only two or three survived--by hiding. Every child died. They were FORCED. Crying and all.
well according to this video it didnt look like it. Didnt u see the man saying that his wife, with no tears in her eyes, took the poison and told him to place her next to her grandma??
I have often wondered what might have happened if more had fought. I have heard that a few did. But,the shear numbers of people, you have to wonder if they couldnt have done something. Many of the parents were often the ones that gave the poison to the children. I consider at least all of the children that died to be murdered. They had no choice. The adults might be a different matter.
this is sad... i dont see how people could actually do dhat!?
Yohoe567 1 year ago 2
BIAS VIDEO. WHERE IS THE OTHER HALF?
riped01 1 year ago
:-( How did these few individuals survive? It seems as thought the odds were against them. Thank God they somehow made it out. I grieve for the lost souls.
Zahevti 1 year ago
this some deep shit
insunggg 2 years ago
This is unbelievably sad - waht a waste of good people.
Heartbreaking.
myexodusxo 2 years ago
how did those guys talking manage to escape then? i thought theyd explain in the clip but they didnt :/
tomeyoureyou 2 years ago 4
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TreblePop 2 years ago
This guy reminds me of (self appointed) Bishop Brian Tamaki.
harrisonlily 2 years ago
This is INSANE.
sonicfarce 2 years ago 3
3.16 a gun shoot for?
burandest 2 years ago
Speechless
tammylee09 2 years ago
1:05 to 1:35 it's clear this was forced suicide. People with guns kept these poor people prisoner.
RuudJH 2 years ago
Plus the fact that those folks were surrounded by 150 miles of dense jungle, no means of personal transportation, no passports or money? Unless they were magicians, there was no way out.
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mcmahonlxfwv 2 years ago
I wonder how many would have chose to live or die if they had the right to chose. I'm sure many would have killed themselves but I often wonder how many would have chose to live.
rhythmbluessoul 2 years ago
From survivors accounts it seems that many of the members that took the poison willingly assumed that this was just another "white night" drill. They had, reportedly, practiced the proceedure on numerous occasions with no poison in the drink and on the night of the actual massacre the opinion of the masses was that this was just another drill until the chidren and the first to drink started dying around them.
thegirl44 2 years ago
I was thinking that many thought it was a drill until they saw babies dying around them. That brings me to the next question, didn't they think that perhaps one day the drill would be real? I mean if so many didn't want to die, why didn't they leave when he started making them practice suicide drills? That would have been a warning sign to me that one day, maybe the drill will be real. It seems Christine Miller knew it was the real thing and was trying to talk him out of it.
rhythmbluessoul 2 years ago
You're dealing with a charismatic person, a common knowledge that he's whacked out on opiates and amphetimine did not sway his followers trust in him.
Jim Jones followed a very old philosophy:
All that you have to do to keep a man content is give him someone to love,
If you can't do that, give him something to believe in, and if you can't do that, just give him something to fucking DO. Research the day to day and you see how many weren't in a mental or physical position to react accordingly.
thegirl44 2 years ago 2
I don't know why the arrival of Sen. Ryan didn't tip more off to the fact that this was the real deal. Perhaps many didn't believe that he had the physical capabilities to harm them in that manner eg. didn't actually have the cyanide. Some of the higher ups must have known, Ms. Miller comes to mind as she did try to get him to spare the babies, but they also would have been the ones most indoctrinated into his madness to hold positions of trust.
thegirl44 2 years ago
We do know that the decision, when it was made, was a quick one. If there had been any element of true planning, JJ would not have allowed his two sons and the basketball team attend the game and survive their "statement".
I don't know if this helps. It doesn't answer the question of why JJ believed Dwyer was there during the last hours or who taped the final recording of the news reports after the deaths but there is a groupthink mentality that makes the events of Jonestown entirely plausable.
thegirl44 2 years ago
You have a community of people who had seen horrible things: McCarthy hearings, assassinations of prominent civil rights leaders and political figures, poor young men stolen from whatever their calling may have been to fight a war that you;re bound to lose. Remove these people from that situation for 3 years, then tell them that the previous situation has gone to hell and is now coming for them and it becomes very easy to limit their options and sway their actions..
thegirl44 2 years ago
i know that jim jones started to lose it when he became a methodist & preached at methodist churches. but when he started his CA & other temples in the US & then in Jonestown, was he still preaching methodist? Is methodist a cult? Or can a methodist get lost & get in a cult like this?
applesalamanderpie 2 years ago
it's not a cult, it's a sect... and methodism is neither, it is a denomination. He seemed to have had a mental disorder or perhaps immoral thoughts as a child, since he stabbed a cat..they say murderers start out with small acts of violence and it usually increases into worse acts. In that case, it was inevitable that he became this sordid and evil.
antsrevil 2 years ago
see what religion does to people turns them fucking retarded brainwashed good for these suckers
daddybeanz1 2 years ago
i concur!
DANNYGUURL03 2 years ago
that is the most disgusting thing i have ever heard or seen jim jones was a fucking maniac that wasnt revilutionary suicide that was murder!!! unbelievable.......
Tainshy1 2 years ago
MONSTROOOO!
lannymotta 2 years ago
This is some sick shit!!!!!!
ALMIGHTYSUPERSTAR 2 years ago
how could people be so fucking stupid?
nbeaner 2 years ago 2
How can people worship Fox News like a church? Or MSNBC? What's the difference?
JimmySmers 2 years ago
dat jim jones is a satan!
SurvivorAddict19 2 years ago
Google Q051 for jones' attacks against blacks,the elderly,and God.
arfracer 2 years ago
I heard that after gay sex he liked to have shit and piss on rye and said that was what Jesus ate.
txmcxlx 2 years ago
people let others control them because they have no direccion in life.and any one who belives in a man who uses God to manipulate deservs death, the only ones i feel sorry about are the children and anyone who try to scape and could't find its way out.GOD is a loving GOD...SATAN IS ALSO A GOD...OF EVIL...and he was the one jim jones was saving this people for...please educate your self, read but dont belive evrything you read, trust but not blidly, you may get poisoned by a love one.osea
adrianaveliz 2 years ago
sorry but I had to laugh at "SATAN IS ALSO A GOD...OF EVIL" bahaha
You have a point, but I don't think anyone deserves to die, for being lost. Maybe they were just looking for direction, and didn't know where exactly to turn. Initially, the cult was seemingly positive. That's how he drew the 'lost' people in. That being said though, many chose to stick with him, after the atrocious things he committed, so that does tell you quite a lot about his followers' sense of morals too.
flipmanja 2 years ago
I'm glad you can laugh of that because i love making people happy. And i like your way to say things very nicely, i can sense you are a nice person. Jahova is a loving and caring God who is always there for me,but i also know that Satan is around having fun with our tormented everyday life and using people to turne us against the father. i'm ok with the fact that people have the right to belive or not.because in the end i'm just another inperfect human with no right to judge my brothers. :)
adrianaveliz 2 years ago
I agree with you. After the immoral things he started doing that should had been a warning sign to the followers but many were so brainwashed, firm believers of what he was preaching, and feeling they had nothing outside of People's Temple, that many were willing to die. I have to say from listenining to the tapes, any preacher who would curse and talk about sex in the way Jones did would make me run. The way the members talked freely about sex was shocking. I guess morals wasn't a high standard
rhythmbluessoul 2 years ago
i think if my wife died in my arms, i would have murdered jim jones before he had a chance to kill himself. that could be what the gunshot was about.
13generation13 2 years ago
there were guards protecting him
5878417 2 years ago
Religion - be it a church, denomination, or sect will forever be a scourge towards our existence....
NemesisMLT89 2 years ago
Einstein once said - the universe and human stupidity are endless.
Crijevo 2 years ago
those stories are effing crazy!
nicesh0es 3 years ago
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Jim Jones was a Jesuit under extreme oath.
Dr. Alberto Rivera an ex-Jesuit deep into the occult late in the 60s, said himself to have met Jim Jones a couple of times in secret meetings to accomplish the agenda of the Jesuit Order.
It all ties up on the top, their master is sat in Rome as King, and respond by the name of "Holy Father" if you wish.
hallmall 3 years ago
*crying* I am sooo sorry for all of this, the children! that's what tore me up the most! I don't like it when children are hurt! :(
Brinah 3 years ago
maybe someone can answer my question..how did these people that are alive now survive? if the people around them are being made to die, how did these people survive without drinking the koolaid or being murdered?
pallortor 3 years ago
There was a movie with Powers Boothe some years ago. It showed that a few survived by managing to slip away and/or hide amidst all the chaos & pandemonium...
bronxmom 3 years ago 2
They ran like hell or managed to escape long before
marmackk 2 years ago
Some people were saved by some official who came to the place with a couple of choppers (or planes I don't remember), they took some people who told them the truth about the temple, as many as the aircrafts could take... The next day they came back, with armed forces I beleive but it was too late.
Shumeshi 2 years ago
it´s really amazing what you can make people do to themeselfs, really amazing, humans believe wha they are told, ive come to this realisation very recently, it´s heartbreaking to realise how easily controlled and manipulated us humans really are.
egalmannen 3 years ago
It's called destructive mind control,its done through deception and manipulation of people by subtly controlling their access to critical information,their critical thoughts,controlling their behaviour and manipulating them by instilling intense fear of would would happen to them if they left.
marmackk 2 years ago
Think about that when you watch the media, start analyzing things. How people act and why
It get's pretty scary
achmedlolol 2 years ago
Jim Jones would have been your modern day Jigsaw...damn man...damn
Hitman89 3 years ago
LOL
fucking true
5878417 2 years ago
humans dont need religion they only need to believe in god and try to not make those stupid mistakes. thats my opinion I hope Im not insulting anybody
sadijuy 3 years ago 2
My thing is it was so many people at that time they could have fought back, and left, but this man had them under so much control they feared him.
MinaWilson1985 3 years ago
thats being the shit
5878417 2 years ago
I concur. There definitely was more people to fight back against Jones, the guards, nurses. The members could have overpowered him. If more would have joined in with Christine Miller, maybe all those people wouldn't have died. The members believed so much in that man, in spite of his many wrongs, that they were willing to die. They believed they would be hurt if they lived, not helped. I often wonder how many woke up at the last minute and realized it wasn't right but it was too late
rhythmbluessoul 2 years ago
But its really hard for me to believe that 900people were really and willing to drink the cyanide. I believe that most of they were forced, and that some had been murdered.
MinaWilson1985 3 years ago
Yeah, I believe alot of them were forced to drink that poison too. At the end they wanted out, but he would'nt let them. And It really was very heartbreaking to hear those babies cry at the end, so sad.
vanitystarr1 3 years ago
Its really sad because people put their trust in this man...this shows you that you should not worship a man. Man is full of error.
MinaWilson1985 3 years ago 4
Very true.
vanitystarr1 3 years ago
I know...I just couldnt believe what I had saw, and how so easily influenced they were by the non-sensable words this man was saying. Killing newborns, and such. This man was sick :( You can hear the babies crying in the audio background when he said "Die with dignity, die with respect". I almost wanted to cry.
MinaWilson1985 3 years ago
A lot of the blacks was attracted to People's Temple because it offered them equality, freedom, Jones did help a lot of people change their lives, which is how a manipulator traps you. Most of the blacks attracted to People's Temple had a lot of drama in their lives, was beat down, People's Temple cleaned them up and gave them peace. Many dedicated their lives to People's Temple and said People's Temple saved their lives.
rhythmbluessoul 2 years ago 3
Jones made them believe they'll never find peace or equality in the world so they went along with his revolutionary suicide. I wish someone rational could have told them the way to freedom is to keep living and fighting. Dying isn't the way to change the world. Jones just felt if I have to suffer, they'll have to. Religion is suppose to be about free will. If you can't come, go, dress as you please, if your separated, your in a cult.
rhythmbluessoul 2 years ago
I agree,and it's upsetting to watch that video, and i cannot imagine why someone would want to do that to anyone, however it is a sect, not a cult
antsrevil 2 years ago
Cult:
a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
How can you say this wasn't a cult? Maybe not by their definition, but that's what is was and what it will always be.
DANNYGUURL03 2 years ago 3
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THEMASTA3 2 years ago
People who live their entire lives according to the propaganda mandates of any person (politician, talk show host, etc..) are cult followers.
The only difference between Jim Jones and Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olbermann is that the followers of the latter two haven't been told to kill themselves.
JimmySmers 2 years ago
You right. Never trust men but this tragedy proved to me trust no one 100%, be suspicious of everyone, especially when it comes to religion. Look at all these murders today by husbands/parents murdering their children/wives, the wives/children never would think the one person they trusted would kill them. It seems the people we trust, think will never hurt us, always do. People worship Obama, I'm black, but I worship no man, lots of people will be crushed to find he just another lying politician
rhythmbluessoul 2 years ago
Churches are nothing else but brainwashing stations. An spiritual leader is nothing else but a predator that targets weak minds, and turn them into blind followers. like an army they need foot soldiers, but if you notice their way of life they are nothing but followers that get their ideas of a salvation of their sinful lives from one book only. Salvation from what? from themselves? Organized religion is a poison for mankind.
redstar127 3 years ago
actually some churches are good and preach the Bible,we all need to determine what is true and what is an occult,if we study what the Bible says then listen to what God is telling us to do then I believe God's powerful word is there!!!
tama69 3 years ago
"actually some churches are good and preach the Bible"
When did the bible become a good book? If you like genocide and sexual abuse, then the bible is GREAT book! Praise the lord!
whovian1971 2 years ago
The Bible is good for crushing peanut shells.
Syntox 2 years ago
What are you talking about? Genocide? Sexual abuse? When did Jesus *ever* preach that?
cmurphy2826 2 years ago
THe bible teaches that. If you believe that jesus is "god" then I guess you should believe that jesus used to approve of those things!
whovian1971 2 years ago
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When did Jesus *ever* preach that? Luke19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.- Jesus Christ.
The people of Samaria are guilty as charged because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed in war, their children will be smashed to death, and their pregnant women will be ripped open Hosea 13:16
SolomonGrundy101 2 years ago
Man, Protestants can be whacky!
Snotra 3 years ago
and at the end of all this jim jones didnt have the balls to drink the kool aid , instend he ask for one of the guards to shoot him.
LLMelvinL 3 years ago 2
THe guard probably thought "Damn, I wished I shot him siiner"
vitoduval 3 years ago
Too True.
LLMelvinL 3 years ago
I can't believe so many people trusted him!
Sandrah2007 3 years ago 3
Nenhum tipo de tirania, ditadura ou qualquer espécie de intransigência política ou religiosa serve para a humanidade. Tudo isso leva a loucura, assassinatos e suicídios. Exemplos: Hitler e Jim Jones.
cuncakito 3 years ago
this is terrible. what a sick bastard.
stefieannmusic 3 years ago
PBS, what a joke!... Yes its very funny. What kills me is that they get donations, tax breaks, and govornment money. You think they would be fare and balanced...no! Tavis smiley, FrontLine, Sesame st. etc.. all communist, liberal, subjectivist rhetoric.
Snotra 3 years ago
PBS cleans up the communist connection, even when they play the recording of Jones exhorting his followers to commit suicide. The full quotation was "Stop this hysterics. This is not the way for people who are Socialists or Communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity." Why would they play only the last sentence?
flyguy359 3 years ago
PBS, what a joke? Every news station fails to mention this was a communists breading ground. I wonder why they leave it out? Hmmm?????
bmartins16 3 years ago
Hahaha no.
flyguy359 3 years ago
Jim Jones is one scary MO-FO... Hell I would've drank the kool-aid just to get him to shut the F-UP!!
ulanda65 3 years ago 6
Jim Jones is a reflection of Hitler, both inspired people who were vulnerable and desperate for hope, exploited their fears by blaming others and gained overwhelming support only for it to crash.
ChoaticKid 3 years ago 4
jim jones really was the biggest piece of shit scumbag in the history of the united states.
haroof 3 years ago 2
nope, dubya is.
laceydays 3 years ago
What a mess Luther left behind.
Snotra 3 years ago
every man became his own God
flyguy359 3 years ago
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i cant beleive they call this a massacre. these were a bunch of fucking idiots who believed a convicted felon was the messiah. the only people i feel sorry for were the kids that were murdered by their whacked out parents. may all of these people with the exception of the kids burn in hell. stupid motherfuckers!
oifmarine81 3 years ago
why did they all lay face down. That's sort of weird. And how did those people get away.
Diceredr 3 years ago
THis guy was a dumbfuck to the nth degree..it's really unfortunate his congregation didn't rush him and mutilate him to death.
xman4un 3 years ago
He actually wasn't dumb and I say that as someone who thinks he was evil. But he was a master manipulator, a charismatic, the sort of man that people follow. That doesn't mean I like him.
fredhetz 3 years ago
Yes...for that day and that populatioin he held charisma and had a message. Such a man couldn't sway people much today with the same claims and logic...but in the late '60's through '70's ...yeah.
xman4un 3 years ago
Do remember that Heaven's Gate was not all that long ago. As long as there are disenfranchised people, people like Jones or Applewhite will have followers.
fredhetz 3 years ago
xman4un~ARE YOU SERIOUS?? Dubya and Iraq???
9/11???
y'all swallowed it like a fat worm. oh, no, it couldn't happen now, we're too smart! don't be an idiot, the media feeds us shit everyday, and we eat it like caviar!! stupid sheeple.....
laceydays 3 years ago
Hahaha yes
ashalashly 3 years ago
BrynMawrYamBag -- Actually, there were only 2 found at the compound who were shot - Jim Jones and his nurse, Annie. Several were shot at the congressman's airplane. The others at the compound died by cyanide poisoning.
IaMoDiNaRy 3 years ago
Religion is evil.
grannie530 3 years ago
"Religion is he opiate of the masses."
BlackBeltNumber3 3 years ago
this wasnt really about religion it was more political, the wanted to create a country where they would ALL be accepted. My sons babysitter was a surviving victim, and she explained it all to me.
ericalita 3 years ago
This is an important point. Jones was evil but he also knew how to get people to follow him. He spoke of equality, acceptance, of utopia. People have to understand that those at Jonestown were not forced to go there. They went because they were convinced that something very wonderful was there for them.
fredhetz 3 years ago
The majority of his congregation were poor blacks, comprised of numerous seniors, children (300+) and other relatively socially marginalized individuals who felt the found family. Who knows??? Maybe they did! But a man with Jones wouldn't have the where-with-all to have influence today...anybody can see this man is a Charlatan with obvious meglomaniac tendencies.
xman4un 3 years ago
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I like that part when he told Black, To sit down and shut his mouth, and dont be in his face anymore , Owned :)
PuppyPetite 3 years ago
I like the part where a black man beat a white man at the presidency OWNED! SNAP!
ericalita 3 years ago
Until Big Brother or some good old boys decide to keep the white house, well white :) History repeats itslef, John
Kennedy could tell you that.
PuppyPetite 3 years ago
that guy look just mike rezzy the dad guy prue waste.
slowdownman53 3 years ago
The shield of "Congressional Protection" vs die hard fanatics with basic hunting weapons....I wouldnt put much faith in that either.
BrynMawrYamBag 3 years ago
Jim Jones was an asshole.
cstcb 3 years ago 8
i would have killed jim when he has a BABY.
slowdownman53 3 years ago 7
Where is part 6??
sglover8271 3 years ago
such prolific words. creepy. "if we can't live in peace, then let's die in peace."
fluorophoric 3 years ago 2
This is interesting.... What makes 900 people kill themselves?
Xarfax321 3 years ago 2
Crowd. Crowd. Crowd. Crowd. human is the wisest animal on the face of this planet, but theres nothing more idiotic than a crowd when theres one person around who has Charisma and agenda. American biblebelt, jonestown, Nazi-germany, bomberislamists (extremists), waco. varying degrees of questionable agendas bastardized from original ideals but all led by someone, all led by a person who has immense charisma and believes to be right.
somberlight 3 years ago 2
Li´ke a bunch of sheep lead by one man. And when the wolves come, he tells the sheep to kill themselves.
jollytorax 3 years ago 2
What makes 900 peoples kill themselves?? Well many of these victims were found with gunshot wounds and needle marks..I wouldnt say 900 killed themselves..maybe 400..the rest had help. BUT the precursor to this tragedy was BLIND FAITH. Desperate blind faith.
BrynMawrYamBag 3 years ago
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That King Jimmy Bible is dangerouse! Come back to Rome friends.
Snotra 3 years ago
dangerous - learn how to spell.
fortuna2007 3 years ago
Many of these people died because they couldn't fight back. Too bad they didn't have guns and the 2nd amendment to protect them. Imagine if 100 men in that crowd had a pistol to fight back against their government who was Jim Jones... how is that any different then obummer who will try and collect your guns today... after that the government can do to you what they please... Jefferson in infinite wisdom saw this eventuality over 200 years ago
WayneGarr 3 years ago
I am very religious and would never ever think that someone could do that. This guy was clearly parinoid. He also was'nt a conservative Christian. He was a radical leftist civil rights California druggy Christian.
A conservative Christian cares about life and family. And would never do that to people because it would be against their morals. A leftist radical leftist Christian is like Fred Phelps and Jim Jones. Man I just really feel bad for those kids.
lilsteller 3 years ago
It's not about christianity. It's hard to say that a true christian would do this, and a true christian would do that. Its any selfless person. Jim Jones did it all for himself.
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theorlock 3 years ago 2
"Anyway, i don't think he believes in god."
he DOESN'T believe there is a god retard
if you cared to watch the other videos, you'd have noticed that when they talked about him throwing the bible and no lightening striking him down, he was basically saying there was no god up there.
MCSin2007 3 years ago 4
theorlock 3 years ago
i agree.....its fascinating how one man can convince that many people to do what he wanted them to do...........
ijjklj 3 years ago 7
Unbelievable
laristi2 3 years ago 2
Horrifying tragedy, yet strangely fascinating.
PrincessNori 3 years ago 9
i agree, watching this is unbelievable, and to think that this actually happened, all i can say is WOW!
laristi2 3 years ago 7
He´s just like my boss! :S
LaurelinB 3 years ago
I think this documentary is essential viewing to train one's mind against manipulation by Jim Jones's type, of whom there are many.
Swindlerman1 3 years ago 4
.... i'm speachless. ..
peachtea20 3 years ago 4
Hate this Fucker.
LankanHearts 3 years ago 6
first time i saw this on tv i cried when that old man said he wanted to go home for christmas to see his famaily and how defeated that man sounded when he said "no" when asked again if he wanted to go home...Jim Jones is evil and burns in hell
sugafoot777 3 years ago 8
What a horrible man.
lunar52 3 years ago 4
True. Simple and well said.
Swindlerman2 3 years ago
i agree
DaRealStride2414 3 years ago
so tragic
almoog 3 years ago 4
Jim Jones was a sick freak!
DiscoKing73 3 years ago 6
Stewster1993 shut up and do some proper research and keep your mouth shut until you do. I have been studying the PT for 2 years and i beleive the members (though certainly not rational) were not crazy or stupid, just idealists. As itzallqud07 said anyone who refused to willingly drink the koolaid was forcibly injected by temple security although only two people died from gunshot wounds (Jones and his secutary).
Furrdy 3 years ago
I feel bad for the kids tho, seriously. They shouldn't have suffered like that.
ImNotYourFriend212 3 years ago 6
That little boy should've been bitch slapped. (sorry, but c'mon, they wanted to get outta there.)
ImNotYourFriend212 3 years ago
i just saw part of a documentary on them. it is terribly sad. maybe if the world weren't so messed up they wouldn't have followed this evil person...so sad. i was a kid when this happened and never really knew what happened.
karenosbick 3 years ago
Hmmm, well, some people did want to live and protested against it. They got shot or were forced by 3 people to the ground and were injected the poison. Do your research on what happened people.
itzallgud07 3 years ago
The following comment stems from ignorance regarding thought reform (i.e. brainwashing) and the power of a charismatic leader. Do your homework first. It could happen to you. "About 300 kids were murdered. but the parents, they committed suicide. they're the ones to blame. i really cant understand why in the world they would listen to that man. No matter how much he claimed to be God you omg you just don't kill yourself when some idiot says to."
PatriciaLynnDavidson 3 years ago
thank u so much for uploading this!!i was always interested in jonestown n now i got to know soo much more!!!
clavriene 3 years ago
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IF someone told you to jump off a bridge you'd you? probably not. If someone told you to drink the koolaid would you? hell these people didn't care =D. Foaming at the mouth? damn that must be a new flavor *gulp*
Stewster1993 3 years ago
what is wrong with u??i didn't mention anything about following whatever they do..i said i was interested in the whole tragedy thing cos i am a sociology student that is all!gee whiz
clavriene 3 years ago
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IF someone told you to jump off a bridge you'd you? probably not. If someone told you to drink the koolaid would you? hell these people didn't care =D. Foaming at the mouth? damn that must be a new flavor *gulp*
Stewster1993 3 years ago
You would probably like to see some of the actual news reporting following the tragedy that JonestownArchives has posted. You might want to check it out.
Dickster2u 3 years ago
this whole event brings tears to my eyes. this is what happens when someone gains power, how people saw him as a god, and then gets paranoid. stalin, hitler, pol pot, the only difference is that these people were brain washed into killing themselves. sad just sad, i feel so sad for these people, even while i type this tears come to my eyes.
blueski3s 3 years ago 2
alot of what was going on at the peoples temple was already leaked out before they moved to guyana, like: beatings, abuse, financial fraud, ex members coming forth. And Jim Jones was already far wacked out on drugs. All of this before there move to Guyana. I just wished they would of caught him before they left, then all of these people would of been alive today.
itzallgud07 3 years ago
And dont forget this was the 1970's we are talking about. Civil protests everywhere, war,political turmoil,government scandals, etc..the country was doing through some changes,totally different era than today. The civil rights movement was ripe and Jim Jones preached equality and marxism to these people. So many people fell for his ideas. Its just sad that all of his evil wrong doings were not fully disclosed in time before his move to guyana. So that the authorities could of moved in on time.
itzallgud07 3 years ago
Jim Jones had one of the first soup kitchens in San Francisco at that time so, these people had no where to stay. He was taking in so many people from the streets at that time. Sadly, these people were deceived. Notice the ones who left the cult were only the middle class people who knew better but the unfortunate stayed. And yes, these people were 100% murdered. If they fought back, there were plenty of bullets ready to be used. Only a few ran into the jungle and survived, others were shot.
itzallgud07 3 years ago
Please do your research on this tragedy before posting stupid comments. The majority of the people who died in guyana were the unfortunate and neglected. Most of the children were orphans or foster kids which Jim Jones adopted or gained custody from the city of San Francisco. The city awarded Jim Jones these children for his "suppose godly deeds". And many of the adults were ex-drug addicts and ex-cons from the bay area. So obviously, he had alot of unfortunate people down on their luck.
itzallgud07 3 years ago
I never understood why there arent more people talking about the fact that the people in authority in The Peoples Temple were mostly whites. Most of the people that died were black. Also it's rarely mentioned that Stanley Clayton's related to Huey Newton (Black Panther founder and leader). Jones tried to convert the Panthers and also get some for security. He preached equality and gave none.
joeyjerks 3 years ago
Exactly!!
Dickster2u 3 years ago
There will be more father fuckers like Jim Jones in the future and shooting or stabbing them is the only option.
WASTE AND DETERIORATE IN HELL JIM JONES, YOU MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.
lishowronsakura 3 years ago 3
oh shit lamb of god
lorenzows 3 years ago
how could people be so damn stupid and have done that?! did they have no common sense?! as soon as i were told to kill myself for watever reason i would have been like "fuck this shit, i want to live". i wonder how the survivors managed to leave bc i heard that those who didnt commit suicide were shot.
JamitaS 3 years ago
The survivors (many of them) survived because they snuck out "hauled ass to the jungle" and looked the other way like they always did. Cause when push came to shove, they weren't about to die like all their "comrades". Most that survived were high ups in the Temple and also, of course..Jones' sons. Amazing ain't it?
joeyjerks 3 years ago 2
yeah it is amazing and sad
JamitaS 3 years ago 2
because they were forced to, dumbass!!!!!!
CaptainBohnenbrot 3 years ago
they werent forced to stupidass they chose to. they could have fought
JamitaS 3 years ago 2
And how should they fight against guards with machine guns, asswipe!?
CaptainBohnenbrot 3 years ago
the same way blacks fought against whites with martin luther king motherfucker! they didnt have machine guns idiot they had guns or rifles that wouldnt have been enough to kill 900 people! idiot
JamitaS 3 years ago 2
Even if you didn't take the Kool Aid, they would of killed you on the spot. The Survivors hid in the jungle. Almost 900 + were killed, not suicide, but killed.
madpoetzsociety 3 years ago
well if u consider drinking poison by choice being killed, then i guess. To me it was murder suicide. People always have a choice in life they could have chosen to fight but they were cowards.
JamitaS 3 years ago 2
They were forced. They did not have a choice to drink or not, they were forced. Some were even brought to the ground and given it by a shot if they decided not to drink it. Only two or three survived--by hiding. Every child died. They were FORCED. Crying and all.
CFgirl 3 years ago
well according to this video it didnt look like it. Didnt u see the man saying that his wife, with no tears in her eyes, took the poison and told him to place her next to her grandma??
JamitaS 3 years ago 2
I have often wondered what might have happened if more had fought. I have heard that a few did. But,the shear numbers of people, you have to wonder if they couldnt have done something. Many of the parents were often the ones that gave the poison to the children. I consider at least all of the children that died to be murdered. They had no choice. The adults might be a different matter.
Dickster2u 3 years ago