Chernobyl disaster (Ukraine 1986) part 2 of 10

[fukoff002]

@ Sergant "Soap" MacTravish is speaking! :)

[INDEFICIENTER2112]

Legasov was chemist not physicist

[digimaks]

Back then it was all USSR, not Ukraine or Russia.  Immesurable disaster. And something Japanese authority havn't understood yet to make better and faster decisions...

[Arbiter11723]

0:25 in the background, GET OUT OF HERE STALKER

[benawl]

I'd probably throw that map away...!

[Gencturk92]

@benawl why ?

[KayBeeEee1983]

The old man in the mask talking about "the city has to survive" (6:20) is funny. He says "there's no life without risk" and that's true, but staying there wasn't a risk; it was a certainty of death.

[AdvertChild98]

These irresponsible commie goons really have no difference from Hitler. How could they cover up the situation and not do anything about it right away? I am surprised they even took pride for getting rid of Nazi Germany, to me their existance is another Hitler. So many people die and suffer because of their negligence and corruption.

[DutchManticore]

I don't understand, why don't they build nuclear reactors comletely undergound?

Apart of costs I can't come up with why not to do so.

Structural integrity would increase exponentially, with all the earth pressing on the walls, which would, in my view, help contain breaches and thus prevent the spread of radioactive material.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@DutchManticore "why don't they build nuclear reactors comletely undergound?"

Maybe the cost to build them underground is not proportional to the risk of meltdown? That's what it's always about. Cost : Risk

[DutchManticore]

@KayBeeEee1983

I said "apart of costs I can't come up with why not to do so".

But I mean... what if it costs like 50 million extra. Is that 50 million really worth more than having a large uninhabitable area for the next x amount of years?

[SirRobertDole2]

@KayBeeEee1983

Building them underground wouldn't eliminate a contamination risk. Even if the reactor housing is breached underground, it can contaminate the soil and water supply, so it's not really much safer to have it underground. It's possible that it would be even more difficult to clean up an accident underground too, can't say for sure though.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@SirRobertDole2 Good point. Coincidentally, I was just thinking that if it were underground and it exploded, it would make the explosive force even more powerful. Like how a bomb gets more powerful the stronger its casing is. And the blast radius would increase by a lot, too. It would do more local damage, but it wouldn't form a cloud of radioactive particles that can contaminate all of Europe like Chernobyl.

[ruylee1985]

WTF, why would they translate with such a nasty accent?! So F’ing annoying!!!

[lalbruiz]

As I read somewhere, that bump car ring is a very dangerous place still...I wonder how this girl was walking around those things...by the way she´s hot...

[ancientu2]

@lalbruiz at 3:23? 

[Clarice1933]

Holy crap 15,000 times the normal amount!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The people who did understand what this meant should have acted much more quickly. Everyone remember to watch the videos about that area today. Some of the info is up beat.

[kzam717]

hmm,as far as I know,they weren't russia's first "atomic refugees",just the first they told anybody about.Before this,they burned down whole villages that were contaminated and just moved everybody...a lot of the nuclear cities were secret=on no map.Krasnoyarsk (=zhelesnogorsk) was one of them.And guess were the US will send her nuclear high level waste...

[edamsleez]

sheep in scotland were contaminated just to show the distance that shit travelled and the amount of folks it affected..nobody took this to serious in scotland was just weird newscasts of the smoking building crazy folks thinking it was just an ordinary fire...80s were dumb

[kzam717]

@edamsleez Yeah,in germany the news first started real harmless,with reminders of how everything is safe.Until we were told,don't go on the grass,don't grow any veggies and stay the hell inside,in case it rains...

[edamsleez]

@kzam717..."keep calm and carry on"

[matchristie]

This is a really interesting documentary, I was only young when this happened and can remember the news reports at the time. It is such a shame that the government at the time were more worried about the nuclear race than saftey, my thoughts go to all the brave men who were first on the scene and no doubt unknowingly gave their lifes to save so many millions across the world!

[PanzerFrog]

Don't just stand there come in!

[TheDude47]

@PanzerFrog Good Huntings Stalker

[Gneisenau]

Thank God the winds were with Kyiv.

[soya28]

Of course there was no panic. Sheep dont panic too, they are too stupid for that.

[jjb745]

so there are no zombies there ? :P

[chingchong54]

cod 4 modern warfare

[antho836]

The empty city we see at 3:41 reminds me COD4 LOL

[Edd731]

Yup its the one they used in COD4, the game makers went there and took information to make it accurate.

[SmithsVideos]

@Edd731 yeh that ferris wheel looks awfull fimiliar :D

[HappyGuyxlii]

@thezuke Heard of FOX news? Yeah. Blame them.

Not the people that don't compare that station to others and figure out how much that FOX takes out of the news to support republicans.

They suggest to everyone with their slogans how their information isn't tampered with while every other news sources' info is, which is incorrect, hypocritical, and just wrong.

Sad, huh?

But, of course, it's a insanely good-paying job for the reporters, so why would THEY quit or say that the info is incorrect?

[delyshBB]

@thezuke to answer you, both. if providing services like education and healthcare is better through the government, then why not do everything through it? because really, if it's more efficient in that way, i want governmental made cars, telecom companies and so on.

[delyshBB]

@thezuke also, i forgot to say that the EU accounted for 40% of the world's GDP 40 years ago, while now accounts for about 20%. I'd hardly consider European countries as places from which to take economic advice.

[InfantryFodder93]

@thezuke I hate your country and people, but i like Obama as a president.

[BGH122]

@InfantryFodder93 Nice, a racist. I'm sure Obama is dying for your support.

[BGH122]

@thezuke The healthcare plan is socialist. The problem is that people in the USA seem to have become so terrified of being labelled socialist that they'll make contrived arguments that socialist plans aren't really socialist at all. Socialism, as a political system, fails for much the same reason communism fails, but pure capitalism fails too. The healthcare plan IS socialist, but don't try to fight that simple truth, debate rather whether it is a necessary adjustment to capitalism.

[Yeahbuddy17d]

@thezuke people need to except the healthcare bill there are americans out there who cannot afford healthcare like myself. after my mother lost her job we did not have health insurance for a few months and the only reason why we have it now is because in Massachusetts there is something similar to the healthcare bill that they are trying to pass. people need to wake the fuck up, the middle class is getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. stop giving them big tax breaks

[Fellopian22]

@Yeahbuddy17d you need to accept that fact that the government doesnt not need, nor should they have anything to do with healthcare. They cant run anything effiecently or properly. Any type of entitlement program run by the govt. is just more taxes from my paycheck, now i know people fall on hardtimes and everyone needs help at some point, but why is the govt. stealing more money from my paycheck when they should be spending less, why do we as americans cut back, but the govt just spends on junk

[bbouch111]

@thezuke None of those countries want national healthcare. They told us not to nationalize health care and obama ignored his people. That is what makes him a socialist. He is crazy.

[SuperBunkerbuster]

@bbouch111 I am from a Western Europe country and I want healthcare still nationalized.

By the way, he is wrong, England doesn't have any national healthcare system like we have.

[bbouch111]

@SuperBunkerbuster Are you on welfare welfare? Do you hold a job? If so why would you want to pay higher taxes and let the government take over the health system. In Canada, a boy was sick and had to be flown into America because the national healthcare system ruined their health care. Period. Americans don't want healthcare but Obama stomped his feet and cried and moaned and got his way. Why? Democrats "felt bad".

[KayBeeEee1983]

@bbouch111 "In Canada, a boy was sick and had to be flown into America because the national healthcare system ruined their health care."

Could you be any more vague?

[SuperBunkerbuster]

@bbouch111 No need to pay "higher taxes", our modern social healthcare exist since 1945, so taxes directly deducted from wages for this purpose are a kind of "habit". Moreover, pay more taxes for this means paying less costs of private health insurance (while a private company make profit with your money, the State only use it for healthcare). It also means even a poor employee can afford healthcare, what are the principles of equality and solidarity.

[SuperBunkerbuster]

@bbouch111 And please don't compare our system with the Canadian one. I can assure you the only persons who discredit it are our current politicians, trying to refund less and less healthcare in order to save money and advantage private companies like Axa.

Example : a generalist consultation fee is 22€ ; 14.4€ refunded by national healthcare.

And you can have free generalist, ophtalmologists etc consulation at a public hospital's emergency department.

Nobody complains on our national healthcare.

[vanharmelen]

@bbouch111 Ehm, we in Holland have national healthcare and we're pretty damn happy with it! My boyfriend is from America and he is amazed every time he goes to the doctor that he doesn't have a 800 dollar bill just from getting a cyst drained or what not. In the land of the free you should have the right to go to a doctor whenever you want to. Not only when you're rich. Over here anyone can go to the doctor, get surgery and treatments they need, without being in debt for the rest of their lives.

[daw162]

@vanharmelen Is going to get a cyst drained something he does on a regular basis?

In the US, most people would never see the $800 bill.

We could probably purchase health insurance with the taxes you pay beyond what we pay.

People who are impoverished would generally get the care, anyway, even though they can't pay.

[KayBeeEee1983]

@thezuke "do you realize not letting banks fail that are rotten goes against ALL of capitalisms ideas and the free market? maybe for that he is."

So do labor unions and welfare.

[habbadou]

Gorby is so full of shit.

[thezuke]

gorby rocks!

[thezuke]

for a commie dog?

[briandrum1]

Gorbachev was not full of shit...he saved that are of the world, not because of Chernobyl, but what he did as a president...

[habbadou]

And I bet you aren't old enough to remember the Reagan administration.

[crucialconflict02]

what republican president isn't that way?...then again, anyoen in poilitics for that matter?

[Briskel2]

your a fukin idiot reagan was a genious and your a fag

[f14tomcatfreak]

What the hell?That cloud was radioactive enough to be picked up with a IR camera from more than 100 kilometres away?

[thegirl44]

You gotta realize that this was the 80's, kiddo. The president of the US was pronouncing nuclear, nucular, and we had no idea that he was saying it wrong. Most of us didn't know what we were seeing on the news reports, nor did we understand the ramifications of it. We were the product of ignorance and fear. If it had happened in our backyard we would have "ducked and cobvered," figuring that we would be okay.

[tartumees412]

When my father and his friends were commanded to go to put out the fire (they were from Estonia ) they new this cant be good. With the memory of soviet union past reputation they escaped the mission. Some of my fathers friends could not escape, including his best friend, and they were taken to Chernobyl to put out the fire -without any protective gear. They died!!!!!

[jbbeatle]

@thegirl44 our US Soldiers were exposed to lethal amounts of radiation at Bikini Island during WWII....I saw a documentary in the early 90s in which the sailors on one of our ships were--"brushing the radiation" off each other with brooms as they were TOLD to do to protect themselves. its only been due to recent internet information availability that we are all aware how badly we were lied to and how dangerous nuclear radiation or fall out really is.....people weren't stupid---they were LIED to

[thegirl44]

@jbbeatle

I used the word ingnorant, not stupid.

These are very different words.

[BGH122]

@thegirl44 Correct, ignorance is a deficit of knowledge whereas stupidity is a deficit of intelligence. The former can be remedied, the latter cannot.

[SCE2AUX]

@thegirl44 You gotta realize that in 1986, the president of the United States was Ronald Reagan who pronounced nuclear, nuclear.  We knew exactly what we were seeing on the news reports, and we understood PERFECTLY the ramifications of it. As far as ignorance and fear is concerned, speak for yourself, and as far as "duck and cover" was concerned, we knew perfectly well that it would have done nothing for us in a nuclear fireball, but might have kept us from getting our heads bashed in.

[th3sp0rk]

@SCE2AUX Uh no.

[thegirl44]

@SCE2AUX

You must have missed the qualifyer "Most of us..." in my statement.

I guess that pretentiousness can effect reading comprehension.

[patrikasLTL]

in Lithuania, here, there were military airplanes spraying "some red stuff" in the sky to prevent radioactive rain, the sky was clear and sunny for the entire week. it was some sort of percipitation-preventing agent.

[thegirl44]

That's wild, patrikas. I wonder what they were spraying and what application it has today?

[patrikasLTL]

yah i wonder too. the truth is no matter how much Military Channel you watch there are always some secrets (80%). if you wonder about soviet army then you can ask me, my dad was with the engineers defending Moscow in 1981-83.

[thegirl44]

Very cool, thanks for that. You'll either hear from me or my husband: lesterclaypool1. It's rare to run into someone with the stories who are willing to share, so many your dad's age and older still adhear to the Soviet silence. Thanks again.

[tartumees412]

even when the Kreml discovered the disaster they sent regular reserve soldiers to Chernobl to `put out the fire`. It was knowingly done. Russians!!!

[patrikasLTL]

oh, and i wonder what would've america done in the 80s... send in terminator robots to scan radioactivity levels??

[tartumees412]

but giving them no protective gear?

[patrikasLTL]

are you kidding me??? 3 million gasmasks for Lithuania alone is what it'd take.

[tartumees412]

I mean for the people who were sent to close the reactor.And in that time ...soviet times, every company had to have civil defense supplies, gasmasks, clothes, food etc. for every worker. I still have 500 gasmasks in my basment. Breathing in the dust was fatal.

[thezuke]

come on its only a few ruskies. they are much tougher than us! lol.

[PatchesRips]

@patrikasLTL Probably farmed it out to the Russians... y'know, like their current manned space program. :)

[makaveli087]

All the gookanese writing on the bottom is annoying as hell, but I will continue watching..