Fair comment from a young person - and I am sure one that has only experienced life in the present Zimbabwe. Sadly, the Mugabe that you describe as 'liberating blacks from oppression' is the same man who has delivered those same good people into a far worse life situation than their formerly oppressed one. Your point on finding solutions is well made - there are many who have tried to help the old country - but the 'liberated people' remaining are the only ones who can help themselves now.
Everything being said , people who are placing comments ur giving their opinions of the past,mugabe did this smith did that what are you doing to solve problems in zim nothing just talking.be objective wat problems are we to solve Ian smith was there to develop Zim that's true Mugabe was there for liberating blacks from oppression.I love my country at least i am at university so that when i come back and change some things that i can and not talk and talk .smell the coffee things have changed
Every greedy corrupt warlord that has "taken back" a country from a colonial empire, has wrecked it . Its people are starving to death and are being slaughtered by the henchmen of these BARSTARDS. What a price to pay for so called freedom.
@y96609 what unfair taxes? You clearly know nothing. What about innocent tribesmen being slaughtered, tortured, maimed, and raped by the TERRORISTS? You know nothing boy. And we'll rather live in the past and remember what we built and had. Than accept what has happened to our beloved Rhodesia, yes its gone, but NEVER FORGOTTEN. The world cannot be allowed to forget what happened, and they must realise the mistakes they made. And hopefully out of Zimbabwe ruins will rise a new RHODESIA!!
Steady on guys... it looks like there is passion for their country on both sides!
I think the 'old rhodies' are fooling themselves to believe the 'old country' will ever exist again. Likewise, todays youth in Zim will have to be honest some time and admit to the massive abuse thay have suffered at the hands of their new 'redeemers'. At the moment, the only ones scoring are the political and military chiefs - AND the Chinese... they are blatently stealing the land all over again!
you guys are crazy instead of joining new zimbabwe which was created 30 odd years ago ,you still living in the past,let me tell you we the youth of zimbabwe we are rebuilding our country .Remember that Rhodesia prospered by stealing from the blacks,unfair taxation you know it so shut the fuck up!
@y96609 Aye... would this be the same country that the Zulus stole off the San people at some stage? As I recall, the majority in the country that did not vote (ie. those whose country was stolen...) also contributed nothing tax-wise for the benefits they shared in of housing, food, health, education, transport and so on? I am pleased that you are rebuilding - it is the least you can do to make up for trashing what was the strongest economy in the sub-continent in the first place!
@msasauk I believe Mugabe is and will never be a heroe to you because of the land issue news flash for all your friends "the land reform was a necessary evil". About trashing the place it was partly the gvt and white farmers fault calling in for the sanctions through the Mdc .Even if you deny it its there and can show you proof So do not crucify us you were partly to blame.The good thing i like about your recent comment is that you are optimistic that we will rebuild our nation.Embrace the new.
@y96609 Sanctions were put on Rhodesia by UN way before Mugabe took control. I dont support any side but why were blacks fighting for Rhodesia if it was such a racist state? Mugabe is just some stupid commie. Back here we know what kind of beasts can commies be, they ruled in our land for 47 bloody years.
@y96609 Rhodesia had far tougher sanctions imposed on it when it had a white government and who had years of experience at beating the sanctions, so it can be done what excuse does Mugabe have for failure when he had the most experienced people at busting the sanctions
Thank you very much for your excellent series of postings! I can almost physically feel the great sorrow and pride for the world you probably have lost decades ago. I deeply understand your feelings and share them.
@MrZingy its OK the only one here who doesnt understand a damn thing is you, Anyway when you packing your bags to go move to live under your brother's control Mugabe since he's so good you know? Sure those blacks in Zimbabwe will take your passport out of Zimbabwe and plane ticket out.
@MrZingy hows that living out in Zambia working out? Admit your going to defend another one of your brothers Mugabe because your mad Smith is well liked by all facets of the Zimbabwe population and you like a brezhnev era apparatchik spew your crap. You in Zambia supported UNITA, ZAPU, and the ANC(which has ran S.Africa in the ground) yea no matter your jealous of IDS. Keep parroting your spin and hate.
@MrZingy there's that stupid African education of yours. The Rhodesian Front failed because of Harold Wilson and the likes trying to strongarm its people a leader it didnt want Mugabe. History judges that true today. Sorry you cant get your facts straight. First off love how you hide your beliefs on Youtube saying u live in Zambia but its all the same.
@Jbroks86 ,,,smashing fellow that Harold Wilson..."winds of Change" and all that. History has Ian Smith so despised that he could not be buried in the country he ruled.....exactly as Idi Amin.
Education???......unfortunately I was the victim of the classic English public school!!!lol!
@whiteozzie1 ...Ian Smith and his Rhodesian Front were never taken that seriously. In fact the international community found him a rather bumbling, comical fellow with no serious agenda or plan. Pulled the carpet from under him and watched him scamper for cover.
Unfortunately your hero was in reality a terrible pilot and an even worse leader!
@MrZingy have you forgotten to take your medication again zingy? Your ranting again! So your saying that he was a bad leader eh? He was such a bad leader that he made a first class country out of a third world country! Realy zingy, you should be quiet when the adults are talking you may learn a few things, now go sit in the corner and be a good little boy whilst we adults talk, theres a good boy!!!
I find it interesting that he only hates Ian Smith. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how many PMs of Rhodesia were there before Smith?? And how many times did Welensky threaten UDI?? But funny that he singles out Smith, here....
@whiteozzie1 the only thing childish here is your pathetic attempt at being patronising. Most people will resort to such tactics when they are at a loss as how to address the subject matter.
All the tangible investment (e.g Kariba, the railways etc) in Rhodesia was the work of the British. Smithy merely destroyed the economy and the moral fabric of the nation. Welensky was much smarter than Ian as was able to see that futility in trying to declare UDI.
Welensky wanted a much bigger group of territories to declare UDI together. He wanted Northern Rhodesia, Southern Rhodesia, Nyasaland, and the Katanga region of the Congo to separate at one. Whereas Smith was concerned only with Southern Rhodesia.
Well Smith was a representative of his consituents, which at that time was a district in Southern Rhodesia. So to him that took precedence. Whether or not that view was misguided vis a vis Welensky's expansive view of a Central African Federation is up to debate. But I am convinced that had he succeeded in bringing all these different territories under one fold, Welenksy would of gone for UDI as well, only on a much larger scale.
If you read ''Bitter Harvest'' Smith writes something interesting. He says in the beginning that Rhodesia should of joined in the Union of South Africa when it was offered by Smuts, and had Rhodesia joined in, the NP would of never been elected, and there would of been no aparthied and the history of the region would of gone on a more happier course. So it was interesting and curious that he begins there.
He also appeared to be pretty dismissive about (cont)
the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland as if he wasn't really concerned about it in an overall fashion. When Nyasaland became Malawi and Northern Rhodesia became Zambia, I don't get the feeling that Ian Smith really shed too many tears or really minded. I think he was far more concerned at that point, what became of Southern Rhodesia and whether or not at that point, it automatically became independent with the breakup of the Federation.
@suryavajra .G'day mate hows things, i see that you are still upsetting zingy!lol. He must hate it when he is confronted with the facts and the truth. since he continues to carry on with his nonsense i have deceided to repremand him,again, and send him back to his naughty corner until he learns to be quiet when the adults are talking......
@suryavajra We have had floods and a big ass cyclone here, but all is well, lost a bit of stuff, such is life!! Zingy is still being his normal self i see,lol!
@suryavajra ...nice to see you and your stooges have nothing better to do than talk about MrZingy. Only one thing worse than being talked about..................
@suryavajra ...Sury, that would be Doctor of Prats. Well for now you can just hang around these channels and wait for some washed up, self pitying Rhodesian you can cling on to. Funny how you read half a book on the history of Rhodesia, eat one boerewors roll and proclaim to be a subject matter expert!
@suryavajra ... just Smithy talking with a forked tongue as usual. Trying to minimise his involvement in his crimes against humanity and his blatant violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
And even with Welensky there's always a pinch of salt you've gotta take, so I gotta kind of take back what I said earlier. I think he wanted an expansive Federation to become an independent country, but also with the permission and pat in the back by the British, Welensky interestingly enough did not have a drop of British blood but considered himself a British patriot of all things. So it's kinda weird to see where he's coming from.
@suryavajra ....well, the lesson here is dont mess with the Brits because they held all the keys. Smithy could of had a major and positive role to play in Africa but he tried to embarrass Harold Wilson and swam against any form of progressive thinking. He was also inconsistent, one day acknowledging the need for majority rule the next day it was "never in a thousand years". Ultimately he couldnt be trusted and had to be cut.
No Zingy, that's not the lesson at all. You can mess with the Brits. The question is to do in a way where they end up crying uncle. Remember when the National Party came to power in South Africa in 1948 with Verwoerd, Malan and Strijdom, through a close election fraught with violence on both sides, there was nothing the British could do to save their proxy in Jan Smuts and the United Party, but I digress.
@suryavajra ...and where is the National Party now? British orchestrated sanctions sorted that lot out. You can win a couple of battles..... but a war? Ney meneer!
The British never dared take on National Party in a one to one level. Because they knew how pretty damn scary some of these guys were. The NP and Apartheid in the end was voted down by the Afrikaners.
@suryavajra .....now you are being ridiculous Sury! The NP was brought to its knees by international sanctions and condemnation. How come the National Party has vanished into oblivion? Do the Afrikaners now vote for the ANC?
NP lost in the court of public opinion IN SOUTH AFRICA,. Remember, that the British could never crack the RSA through sanctions. For one, when they fought in Angola, they were using weapons produced by home-grown industries. They were self-sufficient in that way, and they continued to chug along just fine.
Where the NP failed is that ultimately everyone in SA grew weary of them and the policy of Apartheid and all that it entailed.
@suryavajra ...how very absurd you can be! I guess one sunny day the Afrikaner nation woke up and said "Hey, you know what this apartheid thing is not such a clever idea after all, we'd better abandon it". No my son, no! Their economy was unsustainable and when Israel pulled the plug, they were history! They were FORCED to smell the coffee, just like your Smithy!
I'm not saying that it happened on a ''sunny day'', but it built up over time. Remember that economically, South Africa was still chugging along. They were pretty much self sufficient even when it came to the fuel to power their mine resistant vehicles.
@suryavajra the only thing that built up over time is that vacuum in your head!
You have never been to Africa, let alone lived in it. You are merely an armchair critic whose only source of information is a couple of Wilbur Smith novels and Fox news. Talk about your precious Sarah Palin, but do not continue to expose your naivety and ignorance on matters African.
@suryavajra ...glad you do not choose to dispute the accurate description of your good self. Just count yourself lucky I havent come over to give you a dirty hiding. BTW I have postponed by trip to Chennai until September I hope I wont fry!
HAHA!! Never said I didn't dispute it, but your outburst reveals that you have lost the ability to actually contest the points I have studiously raised...lol!
It's still better to visit Chennai in late December. Don't know about going in September. Might not be good to visit that time of year. Either you would be frying or caught in the rains.
But I agree on you with one thing. Smith definitely had potential as a moderate to be that constructive force not just in Rhodesia but throughout the region. It was just the British who sought to embarrass him, sought to push his back into a corner, wanted to bring this White African ''down to size''. So they took a potential partner for regional peace and security and cast him a public enemy #1.
@suryavajra ...come on now Sury. Smithy didnt need help to embarass himself. He was a walking train smash. Give him a spitfire, he would fly it into a mountain. Give him a country and ......the rest is history. He overplayed his importance. His very existence was wholly dependent on the hand he was trying to continually bite. You declare UDI and then accuse jolly old Britain for being perfidious....surely even you Sury must see the irony in that!
That may be your interpretation but I do not share that point of view of the man. He was probably the only moderate there at the time. Remember, you guys actually sent military assets in order to threaten a guy who had once fought for your side in your hour of need. Makes you look really, really bad in hindsight.
@suryavajra ....no Sury, it makes us the people who put the lousy turncoat in his place. What he did was treasonable! Smithy a moderate......like calling Ousama bin laden a tree hugger!
BTW thats rather rich from an American whose country supported Sadaam to the hilt when he fought the Ayatollah....but then ended up hanging him. Be careful when you point fingers!
Oh hardly dude. He was a White African, a Rhodesian. He was not a Brit and never said he was. Whether you like his policies or hate them, he was acting as a Rhodesian hence whatever actions he took against Britain does not constitute treason.
As for the second part, that is bad analogy and hence a fallacy, on many, many levels...
Joshua Nkomo was urged to come back to Rhodesia for the 1978 elections but he refused as he waiting for "Comrad" Robert Mugabe to join him. After Mugabe came into power Joshua Nkomo (who represented the oppostion party) was forced to join Mugabe's party. Mugabe had frozen all Nkomo's assets. In the 1980 elections a number of my black colleeagues wanted to know why they could NOT vote for Ian Smith. If Rhodesia/Zimbabwe had been left to sort out their problems it would not be in ruins today.
Mr. Ian "never in a thousand years" Smith. He never believed half the BS he spouted, but his foot soldiers like you did. He cut a deal with Mugabe that saved his hide and left all of you lot hanging out their to dry. He was a true politician, a master of spin....luckily he had such a gullible following!
It's not just that the West let the nightmare of Zimbabwe happen, we actually encouraged it. On behalf of all of us, I want to tell Rhodesia that I'm sorry, you were a great nation and we destroyed you with our meddling, and Ian Smith was simply a fabulous leader and a great guy.
@WinchesterRanger Oiii matey....who gave you the blinkin' mandate to speak on our behalf. Your opinions are your own, conceived from that twisted little mind of yours. The Rhodies declared UDI on us and went down their chosen path to disaster.
msasauk - whilst the politics of Rhodesia remains a point of departure for many, your capturing of history can only be commended. Job well done squire!
Zimbabwe now is nothing more than the worlds biggest junkyard, Now there is no white goverment (that made Rhodesia a first world country) anymore Zimbabwe is own of the porest country's of africa. Im not a rasist, but blacks can't handle with money. Look to South-africa it was richer when the whits rule.
@kvr13 - you seem to have forgotten the now massive wealth from diamonds? Of course, this will not benefit the population as a whole - just the priveleged few who cling greedily onto the reins... and they say that the previous regime was not fair!
The previous government wanted to develop Rhodesia into a grander and more powerful country than it ever had been before. Mugabe's motives are as selfish now as they were when he was leading attacks against one of the last bastions of civilization, freedom and reason in all of Africa.
@kvr13 Yeah the ANC the African National Congress are a bunch of corrupt cronies tripped out to the West as free, but corrupt as Madoff. The blacks have less than they did pre 93, there's rampant crime, little jobs. While the ANC and Mandela think Che is a freedom fighter for democracy, yea some democracy.
The white settlers built a First World nation out of bush and rock in 80 years. Rhodesia had world class education & health care systems, a dollar worth $3 USD, and the nation grew enough food to feed its neighbours. There was security, prosperity and full employment for all. It took Robert Mugabe 25 years to reduce the country to ashes and drive over 4 million Zimbabweans into exile. Mugabe is a mass murdering Marxist madman who has revealed his true colors to the world. RIP Smithie
@bgibb101 - well it is now abundantly clear that you do have a connection with Rhodesia. Mugabe's failure does not justify your Smithie's racial intolerance. You should never underplay a people's resolve to have rights to self determination in their place of birth. Your argument suggests that one should be content to just being employed and fed, but starved of the right to determine ones own destiny. Smith did not understand which was political suicide.
@MrZingy - No argument there. Remember my last post when I stated that Smith's biggest blunder was NOT negotiating a peaceful solution with moderate Africans? Had he played his cards right, he could have cut Mugabe out of the picture all together , but it didn't happen. Mugabe waged a vicous war in which he killed more blacks than Smith! But God will be the ultimate victor. Justice, in time, will be rendered to all men. Mugabe, Smith, me and you.
@bgibb101 you seem ready to reduce everything to a "black" versus "white" debate. Like Mugabe used the "white farmers" card to cling to power in 2000, Smithie used "the black communist terrorist" card to cling to power in the 70's. neither really believed in what they preached, but they knew the masses would and that would keep them in power. Just as Hitler used the Jews. Will we ever learn?
@MrZingy - No, more to the point I look upon the situation as between moderates and extremists. A battle between ideologies, in fact. At one time it was difficult to distinguish between them. Human nature being what it is, I doubt if we will ever learn our lesson anytime soon!
@bgibb101 but thats the point you seem to miss. Mugabe and Smith had the SAME ideology, and that was "stay in power what ever the cost". "Forget about human rights, democracy and the concept that all men were created equal". They both dreamed up wild assertions and used state media to drum up fear and hatred. "Divide and Rule" one of the oldest tricks out there, but the people seem to fall for it ever time.
@DeathWarmedUp1000 - Smith blew his chance to make a deal with moderate blacks. I am sure that in the end, even he regretted his words about never accepting black rule. However, when black Zimbabweans tell me personally that there was a lot of respect for Ian Smith right up to his death, then that says something. Old Smithy was better at running the place than Mugabe, even if there were injustices under his leadership.
@bgibb101 -- The real lesson to be learned from Rhodesia---a lesson you have not yet understood-----is that multiracial societies do not work and we need racial separation.
@DeathWarmedUp1000 BS, learn something about history, Why most blacks in Zimbabwe adore Ian Smith and despise Mugabe. Even Morgan Tsvangirai who everyone consider the rightful democratically elected leader said Smith was the greatest PM Zimbabwe ever had. You've brainwashed by stupid idiots. It is the Brits and the Americans who f-ed over the ppl of Zimbabwe by deposing Smith
@MrZingy Yeah you do seem to forget that the blacks with Mugabe now adore Smith right? Learn a little about politics, history, and the region before you spew off with your BS.
@Jbroks86 ...you seem rather angry laddie, in fact one can see that your objectivity has been distinctly clouded by your rage. Harold Wilson predicted the change in world order correctly. As for ol' Smithy....well let's just say he gambled and he lost.
@MrZingy so Harold Wilson said something that was correct does it make it just, Go explain yourself with a straight face to the average person in Zimbabwe who still admires Ian Smith black or white. You are the one blinded by your lack of knowledge of history. Wilson is the one who will be judged for history and for the wrong reason. Smith will be judged as the righteous man who made Rhodesia a productive first world country which Mugabe tore to shreds and is unrecognizable now.
@Jbroks86 ...as much as you try to romanticise the era that was Rhodesia, the facts remain that Ian Smith was a self imposed dictator. You just cant get around that. Rhodesia was exactly as Zimbabwe is today, the playground of the illegitimately empowered 5%. The Rhodesian Front stood in the only free an fair elections that country has ever had (Smith acknowledged that) and LOST hands down. Like Zimbabwe, Rhodesia was rightly classified as a "failed State".
@MrZingy you are really clueless, another African brother from Zambia defending a failed state in Zimbabwe. Fact is no blacks there agree with you. Fact is Morgan Tsvangirai said Ian Smith be the most popular PM Zimbabwe ever had, lets see whose argument holds more weight yours or his? A nobody who knows nothing about Rhodesia/Zimbabwe or the head of the MDC? Most people are going with Tsvangirai and you would be going w/Smith if Mugabe came for your ass too.
@Jbroks86 and I guess your the one who thinks South Africa is free and equal for all including blacks who are worse off today under the ANC and its corrupt leaders? Face it not one post European leader besides Ian Smith ever lead an African country without running it into the ground one way or the other including South Africa which the ANC have turned into a AIDS infested, violent, poor country. Some record those Africans have ruling in African, so many coups lost count.
@Jbroks86 ...Ahhhh! true to form, the red mist clouding any semblance of objectivity. As far as Smithy is concerned, history has judged him and found him wanting. And for your buddy Tsvangirai, I think ambassador Dell summed him up very well (ref Wikileaks).
@MrZingy And I guess thats why public opinion in Zimbabwe, the UK, and the West is for Smith, because I mean hell Mugabe is so well liked. I mean he done so much for Zimbabwe, he's turned into worse economically than 1929 Germany. Stop trying to play your failed moral righteous card it failed long ago too against Smith.
In my humble opinion one of the finest countries in the world-for ALL races!Now all we have is the memory of this wonderful state and its brave and civilised people.
@xxDrudgeryReportxx Agreed, though we cant forget the man who made it possible, Cecil Rhodes, made his soul rest in peace along with Ian Smith. May Harold Wilson be damned for his traitorous actions
@rlibos - were you perhaps that little boy? Guess that makes you the lucky one then? You sound more like a bitter and twisted old man to me - and one that will soon be outtahere... nrt
@msasauk Hey Msasauk, you must be one of those frustrated little pricks that likes to identify with right-wing gangsters. Unfortunately, because of the small size of your dick, they will never acept fags like you.
@rlibos they ribos were you looking in a mirror when you were typing your comments to msasauk.i would bet that you dont have a ounce of manhood in you, you are a slimy worm, no back bone. please go crawl back under your flat rock
@rlibos Your problem is that you are a savage. I knew Ian Douglas Smith and you are not fit to shine his shoes. You are foul-mouthed and semi-literate. Your knowledge of the world and Rhodesia and Ian Smith is less than a gold fish. You display all the characteristics of a cheap little punk who will soon be in jail.
@rlibos Basic psychology books clearly show that men who accuse other men of having 'little pricks' and of being 'fags' , have got 'little pricks' and are 'fags' themselves.
I'm sure he would have done some things differently if he'd had the chance. I'm reading his book The Great Betrayal. He was constantly pushed to make concessions when the opposition would not live up to theirs. He'd seen what a mess happed with majority rule in nations around him. And look what has happened there with Mugabe. They traded a white minority government for a black murderous one. We in the west were duped into seeing Mugabe and his crowd as freedom fighters. Just thugs..
Ja,Rise of Voices of Rhodesia and tell the world how you were betrayed,deceived and sold out by those who should have been your natural brothers in arms.I am ashamed to be British when I look around my country now-teetering on the verge of the second world and,no doubt about it,one day it will slip into the Third.A rotten half-caste society run by bigots and traitors.
If a phased introduction ot Black parliamentary representation before the bush war, then Rhodesia would likely have peacefully gained its proper and rightful independence, and would have been likely the biggest ogoing success story in southern Africa. Probem was no-one was going to give an inch - played brinkmanship and ruined the Rhodesian / Zim future - pity we can't reverse some elements of history. and fix it.
I am sure, had he been in power withthe endorsement of britain and the un, rhodesia would have been the envy of africa, such was his personality and character, may he rest in peace.
unfortunately MSASAUK, it's pointless to even think of a nation that's been eroded by the course of history. rather, get used to the presence of ZIMBABWE as a sovereign African state. it's the only logical option
yes and no it only failed when mugabe took over all we need is a proper leader and support from the rest of the world to regain rhodesia but the rest of the world are quite content to sit and watch all these people suffer and die
lovetheworld34 you are a typical feeble minded black savage, you would not know the truth if it came up and bit you on your flat negro nose.please go to zimbabwe and get aids
zimbabwe is black land to begin with. Mugabe stole nothign from whtie trash farmers. He just took what was rightfully the blacks' land to begin with and retrieved it for them. Crackers would NEVER accept blacks goign to euroep and staking their shitholes, so they should mind the fuck out of Africa. They're fuckin intruders to begin with. Whtie mother fuckin bastards!
ltw34... your foul mouth and narrow minded rhetoric is really not welcome on this forum - do you see anyone else as bigotted as you? In fact, anyone who lowers his standard far enough to waste time with your racist trash is now out of luck... you are outtahere... can't sat it has been a pleasure nrt
Hello guys - especially georgeB and ltw34 engaged in some form of verbal combat on this forum. I thank you for the visits, but now invite you - and anyone else who is unable to offer constructive and adult comment in plain English to have your fun elsewhere. It is time for a clear-out...
Ian Smith wanted to preserve Rhodesia's prosperity. That's why he declared UDI and resisted black majority rule. If he hadn't have done that, the British would have shafted the Rhodesian's like they did the Ugandans, Zambians and Malawians, and Rhodesia would have been ruled by black despots earlier than it ended up being.
Blacks and whites alike were better off under Smithy!
then you'll all complain about being hard up. and there will be no way out, because when europe is 100% black, you'll be stuck with poverty and sickness......and good riddance!
then your kind will be dead too, so that's good riddance either way. all crackers do is smoke weed, molest children and pimp women. get your pinky brethren out of africa and back to europe.
No, just the poor, uneducated blacks would have taken over, because they were the majority and were susceptible to propaganda.
Had proper liberal schooling permeated the farmers and herders then it would have been a much different story in Rhodesia, akin to when the Episcopalians tried in 1670 to convert the Scottish Presbyterians but found them far too knowledgeable.
It's funny how Britain turned their backs on Rhodesia, yet had no complaints about Smith serving in the Royal Rhodesian Air Force to protect Britain. It's also funny that while Britain traded with the whole world at this time, Britain faltered and maligned Rhodesia prospered. That communist Harold Wilson was never one ten-thousandth the man Ian Smith was.
No it means a descendant of the Dutch/German/Huguenot settlers of the Cape prior to the British annexation and generally a speaker of the Afrikaans language, Smith was a great man, but he was a great Rhodesian.
he didnt seem racist when I read his book. "Blacks were uneducated because they were forced down by colonial powers, it is our duty as their descendents to educate them"
"We had a policy, if we ever came to rule rhodesia, that you would be judged on merit and not the color of your skin"
There were, and still are, white racists, as black racists, arguing the point will accomplish nothing though, we need to work on today. I like to have talk with you, discussing things brings solutions out.
Fair comment from a young person - and I am sure one that has only experienced life in the present Zimbabwe. Sadly, the Mugabe that you describe as 'liberating blacks from oppression' is the same man who has delivered those same good people into a far worse life situation than their formerly oppressed one. Your point on finding solutions is well made - there are many who have tried to help the old country - but the 'liberated people' remaining are the only ones who can help themselves now.
msasauk 2 weeks ago
Everything being said , people who are placing comments ur giving their opinions of the past,mugabe did this smith did that what are you doing to solve problems in zim nothing just talking.be objective wat problems are we to solve Ian smith was there to develop Zim that's true Mugabe was there for liberating blacks from oppression.I love my country at least i am at university so that when i come back and change some things that i can and not talk and talk .smell the coffee things have changed
y96609 2 weeks ago
Every greedy corrupt warlord that has "taken back" a country from a colonial empire, has wrecked it . Its people are starving to death and are being slaughtered by the henchmen of these BARSTARDS. What a price to pay for so called freedom.
mrsgritoli1 4 months ago
@y96609 what unfair taxes? You clearly know nothing. What about innocent tribesmen being slaughtered, tortured, maimed, and raped by the TERRORISTS? You know nothing boy. And we'll rather live in the past and remember what we built and had. Than accept what has happened to our beloved Rhodesia, yes its gone, but NEVER FORGOTTEN. The world cannot be allowed to forget what happened, and they must realise the mistakes they made. And hopefully out of Zimbabwe ruins will rise a new RHODESIA!!
SCV1990 5 months ago 2
@SCV1990
Steady on guys... it looks like there is passion for their country on both sides!
I think the 'old rhodies' are fooling themselves to believe the 'old country' will ever exist again. Likewise, todays youth in Zim will have to be honest some time and admit to the massive abuse thay have suffered at the hands of their new 'redeemers'. At the moment, the only ones scoring are the political and military chiefs - AND the Chinese... they are blatently stealing the land all over again!
msasauk 5 months ago
you guys are crazy instead of joining new zimbabwe which was created 30 odd years ago ,you still living in the past,let me tell you we the youth of zimbabwe we are rebuilding our country .Remember that Rhodesia prospered by stealing from the blacks,unfair taxation you know it so shut the fuck up!
y96609 5 months ago
@y96609 Aye... would this be the same country that the Zulus stole off the San people at some stage? As I recall, the majority in the country that did not vote (ie. those whose country was stolen...) also contributed nothing tax-wise for the benefits they shared in of housing, food, health, education, transport and so on? I am pleased that you are rebuilding - it is the least you can do to make up for trashing what was the strongest economy in the sub-continent in the first place!
msasauk 5 months ago
@msasauk I believe Mugabe is and will never be a heroe to you because of the land issue news flash for all your friends "the land reform was a necessary evil". About trashing the place it was partly the gvt and white farmers fault calling in for the sanctions through the Mdc .Even if you deny it its there and can show you proof So do not crucify us you were partly to blame.The good thing i like about your recent comment is that you are optimistic that we will rebuild our nation.Embrace the new.
y96609 5 months ago
@y96609 Sanctions were put on Rhodesia by UN way before Mugabe took control. I dont support any side but why were blacks fighting for Rhodesia if it was such a racist state? Mugabe is just some stupid commie. Back here we know what kind of beasts can commies be, they ruled in our land for 47 bloody years.
Voodoozeko 2 months ago
@y96609 Rhodesia had far tougher sanctions imposed on it when it had a white government and who had years of experience at beating the sanctions, so it can be done what excuse does Mugabe have for failure when he had the most experienced people at busting the sanctions
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@y96609 ok you are just another feeble minded black savage
mrmartin8899 5 months ago
2 msasauk
Thank you very much for your excellent series of postings! I can almost physically feel the great sorrow and pride for the world you probably have lost decades ago. I deeply understand your feelings and share them.
megaotstoy 7 months ago
A great man. Pity we don't have leaders like that now in the UK.
starchaser1960 1 year ago
@MrZingy its OK the only one here who doesnt understand a damn thing is you, Anyway when you packing your bags to go move to live under your brother's control Mugabe since he's so good you know? Sure those blacks in Zimbabwe will take your passport out of Zimbabwe and plane ticket out.
Jbroks86 1 year ago
@Jbroks86 ,,,good heavens son, you are barely coherent. Take a deep breath and start again!
MrZingy 1 year ago
Wish he was still with us! R.I.P Ian Smith........
whiteozzie1 1 year ago
@whiteozzie1 ...why? Isn't that like wishing for toothache?
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
Speaking of toothaches, how are you doing, el Zingbo? lol!
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ....long time no hear....who let you out of the asylum?
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy hows that living out in Zambia working out? Admit your going to defend another one of your brothers Mugabe because your mad Smith is well liked by all facets of the Zimbabwe population and you like a brezhnev era apparatchik spew your crap. You in Zambia supported UNITA, ZAPU, and the ANC(which has ran S.Africa in the ground) yea no matter your jealous of IDS. Keep parroting your spin and hate.
Jbroks86 1 year ago
@Jbroks86 ...jealous of IDS???!!!! Yup, I really wish I was dead and so unloved that I couldnt even be buried in the country I called home!
I dont hate anyone.......I just dont agree with the philosophies of the Rhodesian Front. The failure of Rhodesia vindicates my position.
Your claim to fame is what....being a Sarah Palin fan and a baseball score keeper? Keep it up son, you'll get far!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy there's that stupid African education of yours. The Rhodesian Front failed because of Harold Wilson and the likes trying to strongarm its people a leader it didnt want Mugabe. History judges that true today. Sorry you cant get your facts straight. First off love how you hide your beliefs on Youtube saying u live in Zambia but its all the same.
Jbroks86 1 year ago
@Jbroks86 ,,,smashing fellow that Harold Wilson..."winds of Change" and all that. History has Ian Smith so despised that he could not be buried in the country he ruled.....exactly as Idi Amin.
Education???......unfortunately I was the victim of the classic English public school!!!lol!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
Sarah Palin is a babe....lol!
Baseball is awesome!!
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra .....if you like pit bulls with lip stick!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
Have you seen her in her TV show from TLC?? It's called Sarah Palin's Alaska.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@MrZingy , you could only wish to be half the man that he was zingy!!! Get back under your rock little man!
whiteozzie1 1 year ago
@whiteozzie1 ...Ian Smith and his Rhodesian Front were never taken that seriously. In fact the international community found him a rather bumbling, comical fellow with no serious agenda or plan. Pulled the carpet from under him and watched him scamper for cover.
Unfortunately your hero was in reality a terrible pilot and an even worse leader!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy have you forgotten to take your medication again zingy? Your ranting again! So your saying that he was a bad leader eh? He was such a bad leader that he made a first class country out of a third world country! Realy zingy, you should be quiet when the adults are talking you may learn a few things, now go sit in the corner and be a good little boy whilst we adults talk, theres a good boy!!!
whiteozzie1 1 year ago
@whiteozzie1
I find it interesting that he only hates Ian Smith. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how many PMs of Rhodesia were there before Smith?? And how many times did Welensky threaten UDI?? But funny that he singles out Smith, here....
suryavajra 1 year ago
@whiteozzie1 the only thing childish here is your pathetic attempt at being patronising. Most people will resort to such tactics when they are at a loss as how to address the subject matter.
All the tangible investment (e.g Kariba, the railways etc) in Rhodesia was the work of the British. Smithy merely destroyed the economy and the moral fabric of the nation. Welensky was much smarter than Ian as was able to see that futility in trying to declare UDI.
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
Welensky wanted a much bigger group of territories to declare UDI together. He wanted Northern Rhodesia, Southern Rhodesia, Nyasaland, and the Katanga region of the Congo to separate at one. Whereas Smith was concerned only with Southern Rhodesia.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ...so you are saying that Smithy lacked ambition as well as being misguided?
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
Well Smith was a representative of his consituents, which at that time was a district in Southern Rhodesia. So to him that took precedence. Whether or not that view was misguided vis a vis Welensky's expansive view of a Central African Federation is up to debate. But I am convinced that had he succeeded in bringing all these different territories under one fold, Welenksy would of gone for UDI as well, only on a much larger scale.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@MrZingy
If you read ''Bitter Harvest'' Smith writes something interesting. He says in the beginning that Rhodesia should of joined in the Union of South Africa when it was offered by Smuts, and had Rhodesia joined in, the NP would of never been elected, and there would of been no aparthied and the history of the region would of gone on a more happier course. So it was interesting and curious that he begins there.
He also appeared to be pretty dismissive about (cont)
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra
the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland as if he wasn't really concerned about it in an overall fashion. When Nyasaland became Malawi and Northern Rhodesia became Zambia, I don't get the feeling that Ian Smith really shed too many tears or really minded. I think he was far more concerned at that point, what became of Southern Rhodesia and whether or not at that point, it automatically became independent with the breakup of the Federation.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra .G'day mate hows things, i see that you are still upsetting zingy!lol. He must hate it when he is confronted with the facts and the truth. since he continues to carry on with his nonsense i have deceided to repremand him,again, and send him back to his naughty corner until he learns to be quiet when the adults are talking......
whiteozzie1 1 year ago
@whiteozzie1
It goes well here! Survived my first real ice storm here in the Great American Mid West...lol!
Oh yeah, you can tell when I insult him because he starts throwing a hissy fit and makes all these wild eyed accusations...haha!
You ought to make him write sentences, that he will not talk out of turn and have him wear a hat while sitting in the naughty corner. lol!
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra We have had floods and a big ass cyclone here, but all is well, lost a bit of stuff, such is life!! Zingy is still being his normal self i see,lol!
whiteozzie1 1 year ago
@whiteozzie1
I heard about those!! Especially the killer cyclone!
Yeah it's good that some things never change. like Zingy...lol!
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ...nice to see you and your stooges have nothing better to do than talk about MrZingy. Only one thing worse than being talked about..................
not being talked about!
MrZingy 11 months ago
@MrZingy
Why hello there Zingy. How are you??
suryavajra 11 months ago
@suryavajra ..better than you'll ever be!
MrZingy 11 months ago
@MrZingy
MEEEEEOW......what's the matter el Zingbo? Woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
suryavajra 11 months ago
@suryavajra ...what are you studying in the mid west? how to milk a cow?
MrZingy 11 months ago
@MrZingy
HAHA!! That's a good one. I study what I've always studied...
suryavajra 11 months ago
@suryavajra .,..still studying "how to be a complete prat" are we. You must have your doctorate by now!
MrZingy 11 months ago
@MrZingy
Still have to take a couple of more electives to become a Doctor among Prats...lol!
suryavajra 11 months ago
@suryavajra ...Sury, that would be Doctor of Prats. Well for now you can just hang around these channels and wait for some washed up, self pitying Rhodesian you can cling on to. Funny how you read half a book on the history of Rhodesia, eat one boerewors roll and proclaim to be a subject matter expert!
MrZingy 11 months ago
@MrZingy
You seem angry and bitter MrZingy....may I ask why?
suryavajra 11 months ago
@MrZingy God Bless RHODESIA. God Bless IAN DOUGLAS SMITH.
RhodesianBok 6 months ago 2
@suryavajra ... just Smithy talking with a forked tongue as usual. Trying to minimise his involvement in his crimes against humanity and his blatant violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
And even with Welensky there's always a pinch of salt you've gotta take, so I gotta kind of take back what I said earlier. I think he wanted an expansive Federation to become an independent country, but also with the permission and pat in the back by the British, Welensky interestingly enough did not have a drop of British blood but considered himself a British patriot of all things. So it's kinda weird to see where he's coming from.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ....well, the lesson here is dont mess with the Brits because they held all the keys. Smithy could of had a major and positive role to play in Africa but he tried to embarrass Harold Wilson and swam against any form of progressive thinking. He was also inconsistent, one day acknowledging the need for majority rule the next day it was "never in a thousand years". Ultimately he couldnt be trusted and had to be cut.
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
No Zingy, that's not the lesson at all. You can mess with the Brits. The question is to do in a way where they end up crying uncle. Remember when the National Party came to power in South Africa in 1948 with Verwoerd, Malan and Strijdom, through a close election fraught with violence on both sides, there was nothing the British could do to save their proxy in Jan Smuts and the United Party, but I digress.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ...and where is the National Party now? British orchestrated sanctions sorted that lot out. You can win a couple of battles..... but a war? Ney meneer!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
The British never dared take on National Party in a one to one level. Because they knew how pretty damn scary some of these guys were. The NP and Apartheid in the end was voted down by the Afrikaners.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra .....now you are being ridiculous Sury! The NP was brought to its knees by international sanctions and condemnation. How come the National Party has vanished into oblivion? Do the Afrikaners now vote for the ANC?
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
NP lost in the court of public opinion IN SOUTH AFRICA,. Remember, that the British could never crack the RSA through sanctions. For one, when they fought in Angola, they were using weapons produced by home-grown industries. They were self-sufficient in that way, and they continued to chug along just fine.
Where the NP failed is that ultimately everyone in SA grew weary of them and the policy of Apartheid and all that it entailed.
Afrikaners now?? Hard to say.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ...how very absurd you can be! I guess one sunny day the Afrikaner nation woke up and said "Hey, you know what this apartheid thing is not such a clever idea after all, we'd better abandon it". No my son, no! Their economy was unsustainable and when Israel pulled the plug, they were history! They were FORCED to smell the coffee, just like your Smithy!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
I'm not saying that it happened on a ''sunny day'', but it built up over time. Remember that economically, South Africa was still chugging along. They were pretty much self sufficient even when it came to the fuel to power their mine resistant vehicles.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra the only thing that built up over time is that vacuum in your head!
You have never been to Africa, let alone lived in it. You are merely an armchair critic whose only source of information is a couple of Wilbur Smith novels and Fox news. Talk about your precious Sarah Palin, but do not continue to expose your naivety and ignorance on matters African.
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
It took a day to work yourself up into a temper tantrum, Zingy?? lol!!!!
C'mon now. You can do better than that. Why don't you try again?
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ...glad you do not choose to dispute the accurate description of your good self. Just count yourself lucky I havent come over to give you a dirty hiding. BTW I have postponed by trip to Chennai until September I hope I wont fry!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
HAHA!! Never said I didn't dispute it, but your outburst reveals that you have lost the ability to actually contest the points I have studiously raised...lol!
It's still better to visit Chennai in late December. Don't know about going in September. Might not be good to visit that time of year. Either you would be frying or caught in the rains.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@MrZingy
But I agree on you with one thing. Smith definitely had potential as a moderate to be that constructive force not just in Rhodesia but throughout the region. It was just the British who sought to embarrass him, sought to push his back into a corner, wanted to bring this White African ''down to size''. So they took a potential partner for regional peace and security and cast him a public enemy #1.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ...come on now Sury. Smithy didnt need help to embarass himself. He was a walking train smash. Give him a spitfire, he would fly it into a mountain. Give him a country and ......the rest is history. He overplayed his importance. His very existence was wholly dependent on the hand he was trying to continually bite. You declare UDI and then accuse jolly old Britain for being perfidious....surely even you Sury must see the irony in that!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
That may be your interpretation but I do not share that point of view of the man. He was probably the only moderate there at the time. Remember, you guys actually sent military assets in order to threaten a guy who had once fought for your side in your hour of need. Makes you look really, really bad in hindsight.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra ....no Sury, it makes us the people who put the lousy turncoat in his place. What he did was treasonable! Smithy a moderate......like calling Ousama bin laden a tree hugger!
BTW thats rather rich from an American whose country supported Sadaam to the hilt when he fought the Ayatollah....but then ended up hanging him. Be careful when you point fingers!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy
Oh hardly dude. He was a White African, a Rhodesian. He was not a Brit and never said he was. Whether you like his policies or hate them, he was acting as a Rhodesian hence whatever actions he took against Britain does not constitute treason.
As for the second part, that is bad analogy and hence a fallacy, on many, many levels...
suryavajra 1 year ago
Joshua Nkomo was urged to come back to Rhodesia for the 1978 elections but he refused as he waiting for "Comrad" Robert Mugabe to join him. After Mugabe came into power Joshua Nkomo (who represented the oppostion party) was forced to join Mugabe's party. Mugabe had frozen all Nkomo's assets. In the 1980 elections a number of my black colleeagues wanted to know why they could NOT vote for Ian Smith. If Rhodesia/Zimbabwe had been left to sort out their problems it would not be in ruins today.
1710Mel 1 year ago
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Mr. Ian "never in a thousand years" Smith. He never believed half the BS he spouted, but his foot soldiers like you did. He cut a deal with Mugabe that saved his hide and left all of you lot hanging out their to dry. He was a true politician, a master of spin....luckily he had such a gullible following!
madscientistify 1 year ago
It's not just that the West let the nightmare of Zimbabwe happen, we actually encouraged it. On behalf of all of us, I want to tell Rhodesia that I'm sorry, you were a great nation and we destroyed you with our meddling, and Ian Smith was simply a fabulous leader and a great guy.
WinchesterRanger 1 year ago
@WinchesterRanger Oiii matey....who gave you the blinkin' mandate to speak on our behalf. Your opinions are your own, conceived from that twisted little mind of yours. The Rhodies declared UDI on us and went down their chosen path to disaster.
MrZingy 1 year ago
msasauk - whilst the politics of Rhodesia remains a point of departure for many, your capturing of history can only be commended. Job well done squire!
DeathWarmedUp1000 1 year ago
God Bless Rhodesia. God Bless Ian Douglas Smith.
RhodesianBok 1 year ago
@RhodesianBok - just as soon as the devil is done with him! lol!
DeathWarmedUp1000 1 year ago
If I was alive then I would have joined the Rhodesian SAS
georgeBUSHrules1 1 year ago
Zimbabwe now is nothing more than the worlds biggest junkyard, Now there is no white goverment (that made Rhodesia a first world country) anymore Zimbabwe is own of the porest country's of africa. Im not a rasist, but blacks can't handle with money. Look to South-africa it was richer when the whits rule.
kvr13 1 year ago 4
@kvr13 - you seem to have forgotten the now massive wealth from diamonds? Of course, this will not benefit the population as a whole - just the priveleged few who cling greedily onto the reins... and they say that the previous regime was not fair!
msasauk 1 year ago
@msasauk
The previous government wanted to develop Rhodesia into a grander and more powerful country than it ever had been before. Mugabe's motives are as selfish now as they were when he was leading attacks against one of the last bastions of civilization, freedom and reason in all of Africa.
briantotse3 11 months ago
@kvr13 Yeah the ANC the African National Congress are a bunch of corrupt cronies tripped out to the West as free, but corrupt as Madoff. The blacks have less than they did pre 93, there's rampant crime, little jobs. While the ANC and Mandela think Che is a freedom fighter for democracy, yea some democracy.
Jbroks86 1 year ago
The white settlers built a First World nation out of bush and rock in 80 years. Rhodesia had world class education & health care systems, a dollar worth $3 USD, and the nation grew enough food to feed its neighbours. There was security, prosperity and full employment for all. It took Robert Mugabe 25 years to reduce the country to ashes and drive over 4 million Zimbabweans into exile. Mugabe is a mass murdering Marxist madman who has revealed his true colors to the world. RIP Smithie
bgibb101 1 year ago
@bgibb101 - well it is now abundantly clear that you do have a connection with Rhodesia. Mugabe's failure does not justify your Smithie's racial intolerance. You should never underplay a people's resolve to have rights to self determination in their place of birth. Your argument suggests that one should be content to just being employed and fed, but starved of the right to determine ones own destiny. Smith did not understand which was political suicide.
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy - No argument there. Remember my last post when I stated that Smith's biggest blunder was NOT negotiating a peaceful solution with moderate Africans? Had he played his cards right, he could have cut Mugabe out of the picture all together , but it didn't happen. Mugabe waged a vicous war in which he killed more blacks than Smith! But God will be the ultimate victor. Justice, in time, will be rendered to all men. Mugabe, Smith, me and you.
bgibb101 1 year ago
@bgibb101 you seem ready to reduce everything to a "black" versus "white" debate. Like Mugabe used the "white farmers" card to cling to power in 2000, Smithie used "the black communist terrorist" card to cling to power in the 70's. neither really believed in what they preached, but they knew the masses would and that would keep them in power. Just as Hitler used the Jews. Will we ever learn?
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy - No, more to the point I look upon the situation as between moderates and extremists. A battle between ideologies, in fact. At one time it was difficult to distinguish between them. Human nature being what it is, I doubt if we will ever learn our lesson anytime soon!
bgibb101 1 year ago
@bgibb101 but thats the point you seem to miss. Mugabe and Smith had the SAME ideology, and that was "stay in power what ever the cost". "Forget about human rights, democracy and the concept that all men were created equal". They both dreamed up wild assertions and used state media to drum up fear and hatred. "Divide and Rule" one of the oldest tricks out there, but the people seem to fall for it ever time.
DeathWarmedUp1000 1 year ago
@DeathWarmedUp1000 - Smith blew his chance to make a deal with moderate blacks. I am sure that in the end, even he regretted his words about never accepting black rule. However, when black Zimbabweans tell me personally that there was a lot of respect for Ian Smith right up to his death, then that says something. Old Smithy was better at running the place than Mugabe, even if there were injustices under his leadership.
bgibb101 1 year ago
@bgibb101 -- The real lesson to be learned from Rhodesia---a lesson you have not yet understood-----is that multiracial societies do not work and we need racial separation.
Gravelandart 1 year ago
@DeathWarmedUp1000 BS, learn something about history, Why most blacks in Zimbabwe adore Ian Smith and despise Mugabe. Even Morgan Tsvangirai who everyone consider the rightful democratically elected leader said Smith was the greatest PM Zimbabwe ever had. You've brainwashed by stupid idiots. It is the Brits and the Americans who f-ed over the ppl of Zimbabwe by deposing Smith
Jbroks86 1 year ago
@MrZingy Yeah you do seem to forget that the blacks with Mugabe now adore Smith right? Learn a little about politics, history, and the region before you spew off with your BS.
Jbroks86 1 year ago
@Jbroks86 ...you seem rather angry laddie, in fact one can see that your objectivity has been distinctly clouded by your rage. Harold Wilson predicted the change in world order correctly. As for ol' Smithy....well let's just say he gambled and he lost.
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy so Harold Wilson said something that was correct does it make it just, Go explain yourself with a straight face to the average person in Zimbabwe who still admires Ian Smith black or white. You are the one blinded by your lack of knowledge of history. Wilson is the one who will be judged for history and for the wrong reason. Smith will be judged as the righteous man who made Rhodesia a productive first world country which Mugabe tore to shreds and is unrecognizable now.
Jbroks86 1 year ago
@Jbroks86 ...as much as you try to romanticise the era that was Rhodesia, the facts remain that Ian Smith was a self imposed dictator. You just cant get around that. Rhodesia was exactly as Zimbabwe is today, the playground of the illegitimately empowered 5%. The Rhodesian Front stood in the only free an fair elections that country has ever had (Smith acknowledged that) and LOST hands down. Like Zimbabwe, Rhodesia was rightly classified as a "failed State".
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy you are really clueless, another African brother from Zambia defending a failed state in Zimbabwe. Fact is no blacks there agree with you. Fact is Morgan Tsvangirai said Ian Smith be the most popular PM Zimbabwe ever had, lets see whose argument holds more weight yours or his? A nobody who knows nothing about Rhodesia/Zimbabwe or the head of the MDC? Most people are going with Tsvangirai and you would be going w/Smith if Mugabe came for your ass too.
Jbroks86 1 year ago 2
@Jbroks86 and I guess your the one who thinks South Africa is free and equal for all including blacks who are worse off today under the ANC and its corrupt leaders? Face it not one post European leader besides Ian Smith ever lead an African country without running it into the ground one way or the other including South Africa which the ANC have turned into a AIDS infested, violent, poor country. Some record those Africans have ruling in African, so many coups lost count.
Jbroks86 1 year ago
@Jbroks86 ....you sound like you need a shoulder to cry on! Other than whinge, what else do you do?!
MrZingy 1 year ago
@Jbroks86 ...Ahhhh! true to form, the red mist clouding any semblance of objectivity. As far as Smithy is concerned, history has judged him and found him wanting. And for your buddy Tsvangirai, I think ambassador Dell summed him up very well (ref Wikileaks).
MrZingy 1 year ago
@MrZingy And I guess thats why public opinion in Zimbabwe, the UK, and the West is for Smith, because I mean hell Mugabe is so well liked. I mean he done so much for Zimbabwe, he's turned into worse economically than 1929 Germany. Stop trying to play your failed moral righteous card it failed long ago too against Smith.
Jbroks86 1 year ago 5
@MrZingy Balls
RhodesianBok 1 year ago
God Bless Rhodesia. God Bless Ian Douglas Smith.
RhodesianBok 1 year ago
In my humble opinion one of the finest countries in the world-for ALL races!Now all we have is the memory of this wonderful state and its brave and civilised people.
Squarerig 1 year ago
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xxDrudgeryReportxx 1 year ago 3
@xxDrudgeryReportxx Agreed, though we cant forget the man who made it possible, Cecil Rhodes, made his soul rest in peace along with Ian Smith. May Harold Wilson be damned for his traitorous actions
Jbroks86 1 year ago
ian smith was the only sane leader of africa in all of african history
georgeBUSHrules1 1 year ago
Ian D. Smith, the number one forever....
forumlivii60 1 year ago
Ian Smith was a spunk gobbling homo with a penchant for little boys,
rlibos 1 year ago
@rlibos - were you perhaps that little boy? Guess that makes you the lucky one then? You sound more like a bitter and twisted old man to me - and one that will soon be outtahere... nrt
msasauk 1 year ago
@msasauk Hey Msasauk, you must be one of those frustrated little pricks that likes to identify with right-wing gangsters. Unfortunately, because of the small size of your dick, they will never acept fags like you.
rlibos 1 year ago
Nah... wrong on all counts - and I choose no longer to identify with you.
You are outtahere...
msasauk 1 year ago
@rlibos they ribos were you looking in a mirror when you were typing your comments to msasauk.i would bet that you dont have a ounce of manhood in you, you are a slimy worm, no back bone. please go crawl back under your flat rock
rhod5566 1 year ago 2
@rlibos Your problem is that you are a savage. I knew Ian Douglas Smith and you are not fit to shine his shoes. You are foul-mouthed and semi-literate. Your knowledge of the world and Rhodesia and Ian Smith is less than a gold fish. You display all the characteristics of a cheap little punk who will soon be in jail.
RhodesianBok 1 year ago
@rlibos Basic psychology books clearly show that men who accuse other men of having 'little pricks' and of being 'fags' , have got 'little pricks' and are 'fags' themselves.
RhodesianBok 1 year ago
I'm sure he would have done some things differently if he'd had the chance. I'm reading his book The Great Betrayal. He was constantly pushed to make concessions when the opposition would not live up to theirs. He'd seen what a mess happed with majority rule in nations around him. And look what has happened there with Mugabe. They traded a white minority government for a black murderous one. We in the west were duped into seeing Mugabe and his crowd as freedom fighters. Just thugs..
usaruss 1 year ago 2
Beautiful tribute. One beautiful brave man. Thanks for putting it together
Tabithern 1 year ago 3
@youtoubename
- Die Weltgeschichte ist das Weltgericht.
Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller
jjpcondor 1 year ago
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youtoubename 1 year ago
Ja,Rise of Voices of Rhodesia and tell the world how you were betrayed,deceived and sold out by those who should have been your natural brothers in arms.I am ashamed to be British when I look around my country now-teetering on the verge of the second world and,no doubt about it,one day it will slip into the Third.A rotten half-caste society run by bigots and traitors.
Squarerig 1 year ago 6
Die Weltgeschichte ist das Weltgericht - The history of the world is the judgment of the world
jjpcondor 2 years ago 12
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youtoubename 1 year ago
If a phased introduction ot Black parliamentary representation before the bush war, then Rhodesia would likely have peacefully gained its proper and rightful independence, and would have been likely the biggest ogoing success story in southern Africa. Probem was no-one was going to give an inch - played brinkmanship and ruined the Rhodesian / Zim future - pity we can't reverse some elements of history. and fix it.
ptyltd1 2 years ago
I am sure, had he been in power withthe endorsement of britain and the un, rhodesia would have been the envy of africa, such was his personality and character, may he rest in peace.
Sacharfschutze 2 years ago 2
thoroughpatriot: im sorry to say that you are not black you are a idiotic guilt ridden white
rhod5566 2 years ago
andre88991 i'm absolutely black, supporting black rule in ZIMBABWE and loving it! rather get over your racist negativity and adapt to the reality!
thoroughpatriot 2 years ago
unfortunately MSASAUK, it's pointless to even think of a nation that's been eroded by the course of history. rather, get used to the presence of ZIMBABWE as a sovereign African state. it's the only logical option
thoroughpatriot 2 years ago
...a failed state in retrospect
thoroughpatriot 2 years ago
yes and no it only failed when mugabe took over all we need is a proper leader and support from the rest of the world to regain rhodesia but the rest of the world are quite content to sit and watch all these people suffer and die
twizted0007 2 years ago
... perhaps... but how would it compare to the present state I wonder? nrt
msasauk 2 years ago
lovetheworld34 you are a typical feeble minded black savage, you would not know the truth if it came up and bit you on your flat negro nose.please go to zimbabwe and get aids
andre88991 2 years ago
interesting thought - and a slightly more direct use of language than mine... thank you!
nrt
msasauk 2 years ago
lostworld34 has finally revealed its true colours - sorry, colour:
get lost. Go back to Europe
Africa is for blacks, not whites! go back to Europe!
Perhaps the world would be a better place too if all the blacks in Europe also went 'home'?
Thanks for the visit - you are gone...
nrt
msasauk 2 years ago
zimbabwe is black land to begin with. Mugabe stole nothign from whtie trash farmers. He just took what was rightfully the blacks' land to begin with and retrieved it for them. Crackers would NEVER accept blacks goign to euroep and staking their shitholes, so they should mind the fuck out of Africa. They're fuckin intruders to begin with. Whtie mother fuckin bastards!
lovetheworld34 2 years ago
ltw34... your foul mouth and narrow minded rhetoric is really not welcome on this forum - do you see anyone else as bigotted as you? In fact, anyone who lowers his standard far enough to waste time with your racist trash is now out of luck... you are outtahere... can't sat it has been a pleasure nrt
msasauk 2 years ago
Hi eberybody
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago
Great video.
Celestialhost 2 years ago 5
No yashi it's RHODESIA not Zimbabwe RHODESIA.
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago 12
Yashi I couldn't agree with u more
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago
I'm sry msasauk but ltw pisses me of so much he talks so much crap but can't back it up. And belive me we have had our share of messages
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago 2
Hello guys - especially georgeB and ltw34 engaged in some form of verbal combat on this forum. I thank you for the visits, but now invite you - and anyone else who is unable to offer constructive and adult comment in plain English to have your fun elsewhere. It is time for a clear-out...
msasauk 2 years ago
kk sry
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago
About time! We don't need negative comments about the man who brought about prosperity and good government to Zimbabwe.
yashi295 2 years ago
RHODESIA!!!
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago 6
i apologize for my rude remarks to lovetheworld (OH THE IRONY) i wont engage in a meaningless battle with him on this video
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago
lovetheworld ur a hypocrit and a bastard
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago 2
He provides good entertainment tho
DeepSixed300 2 years ago 2
true that
georgeBUSHrules1 2 years ago
lovetheworld u can go to hell and burn not that u could get any blacker u racist piece of low life scum
fdjfsjdfggs 2 years ago 5
Ian Smith wanted to preserve Rhodesia's prosperity. That's why he declared UDI and resisted black majority rule. If he hadn't have done that, the British would have shafted the Rhodesian's like they did the Ugandans, Zambians and Malawians, and Rhodesia would have been ruled by black despots earlier than it ended up being.
Blacks and whites alike were better off under Smithy!
yashi295 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
africa still has too many whites. fuck them pinkies!
lovetheworld34 2 years ago
then you'll all complain about being hard up. and there will be no way out, because when europe is 100% black, you'll be stuck with poverty and sickness......and good riddance!
yashi295 2 years ago
then your kind will be dead too, so that's good riddance either way. all crackers do is smoke weed, molest children and pimp women. get your pinky brethren out of africa and back to europe.
lovetheworld34 2 years ago
Kaffir.
DaSlug32 2 years ago
white pinky
lovetheworld34 2 years ago
The whites should leave and let the blacks kill one another.
DaSlug32 2 years ago
No, just the poor, uneducated blacks would have taken over, because they were the majority and were susceptible to propaganda.
Had proper liberal schooling permeated the farmers and herders then it would have been a much different story in Rhodesia, akin to when the Episcopalians tried in 1670 to convert the Scottish Presbyterians but found them far too knowledgeable.
tweedlebeetles 2 years ago
long live rhodesia
its the the blacks and their prick leader mugabes falt
fdjfsjdfggs 2 years ago
It's funny how Britain turned their backs on Rhodesia, yet had no complaints about Smith serving in the Royal Rhodesian Air Force to protect Britain. It's also funny that while Britain traded with the whole world at this time, Britain faltered and maligned Rhodesia prospered. That communist Harold Wilson was never one ten-thousandth the man Ian Smith was.
amadeusyaoi 2 years ago 5
When they had a country...
rdmauriello 2 years ago
Because you are one.
MikeyWesty666 2 years ago
if only you were intelligent enough to comprehend the word "hypocrite"
MikeyWesty666 2 years ago
Afrikaner means white African.
swissnor 2 years ago
No it means a descendant of the Dutch/German/Huguenot settlers of the Cape prior to the British annexation and generally a speaker of the Afrikaans language, Smith was a great man, but he was a great Rhodesian.
UShistoryX2 2 years ago
wrong he was an amazing rhodesian
spartanjaq 2 years ago 3
Bull. He was a racist.
lovetheworld34 2 years ago
your name is lovetheworld34, but you preach hatred of whites......
brandongmitchell 2 years ago 4
He was amazing for whites, NOT for others.
lovetheworld34 2 years ago
he didnt seem racist when I read his book. "Blacks were uneducated because they were forced down by colonial powers, it is our duty as their descendents to educate them"
"We had a policy, if we ever came to rule rhodesia, that you would be judged on merit and not the color of your skin"
There were, and still are, white racists, as black racists, arguing the point will accomplish nothing though, we need to work on today. I like to have talk with you, discussing things brings solutions out.
albertaforalbertans 2 years ago 5
But, the old days are done. Why not just have the whites go back to Europe? rhodesia will never return.
lovetheworld34 2 years ago
So why don't you blacks go back to Africa?
yashi295 2 years ago 4
who says i'm in your crappy countries? you first go back to europe, pinkies!
lovetheworld34 2 years ago
u black niggers are the slimiest....most vial pieces of shit on the planet go rot in hell with mugabe
fdjfsjdfggs 2 years ago