Xbox 360 Proof of Concept GPU Lift with Heatgun and temp probe

[HGCGamersClub]

From the looks of that motherboard you burnt the hell out of that thing and totally killed the chip and several near buy components if I was you I would remove this video it makes you look stupid! I truly hope this video was a joke!

[fapestar]

@HGCGamersClub Yeah, he says concept.

I used a Infrared Heat thermometer and a crap load of foil to protect the capacitors, got it to 230c and lifted it from both sides with some socket heads. Came right off, no lifted pads, no blown capacitors. I finally got my reball station, and I got 3 x-box to test. I know I can clean and reball perfectly, and I'm going to try and follow proffesional rework station profiles and add 15c for times and see if I can get this to work.

[fapestar]

I just did this with a heat guy and a IR thermal beam, and I got it to 230c and quickly lifted it, and all the pads were in place. I bought a reballing station to see if I can get these dead xbox motherboards rolling again.

[millzie5]

thing is i had a dead console that i wanted to test removing the entire chip i did so but the other chips on the gpu slid right off so either this is a really lame gay as idea or if you are very careful you might jsut be able to lift it but good luck repositioning it :)

[camomantube]

now get some pcu holders of a pc and make it so if it happens again its even easier to fix.

[iggy151]

Don't you hate it when people post shit about "why this doesn't work" and then tries to get you to buy their service? 

[chriss179]

@iggy151 Well, does this work or not???? I read people telling it will popcorn and give 0003 error. But i fail to see what really is different in comparrison to a hot air rework station. The only difference is lower air flow???

[eunaco2007]

@longbeach225 So do you have an x-ray machine?? Thats what i consider pro. It doesn't matter if you have IR reflow with ir preheater or hot air with a grill, what matters is if you can check the chips to see if the tin didn't go down the dog holes or if there are bridges before you actually apply power. Yeah a couple of bridges in the wrong place can destroy a gpu too.

[eunaco2007]

@longbeach225 You should try this for a change..... Reball all the chips at once without testing in between. I mean all the 8 ram chips, the gpu, cpu, hana and southbridge. Then you'll understand why i said x-ray is the pro way.

hmmmm whats this error 0020?? Is it the gpu? the cpu?? the southbridge?? the hana or the memory? Geez, reball everything again? Or get an x-ray?

[chriss179]

@longbeach225 Hmmmmmm so in case of an error 0020 you toss the board...... I mean after you reballed the gpu. And if you had reballed the southbridge it would have fixed the board. Or imagine you had reballed the southbridge 2nd and it was the cpu. Now imagine you had reballed the gpu, the southbridge, the cpu and it was the hana chip. Imagine you reballed all of them and created a short under the cpu. Then that work was for nothing as there is no way of telling where the short is....

[chriss179]

@longbeach225 eunaco2007 is my brothers youtube account. he always logs into his accounts when he visits me and sits on my pc for a minute. Sorry for that.

[chriss179]

@longbeach225 Now it is not all to good for a board to be under constant thermal strain, so doing it right the first time is important. And as i do reballing too, i have found that to be seriously professional you seriously have to have an x-ray machine. And since i do not.... Well.... watch?v=jQeanpujmuM makes me mouth water.

[DJKloop]

@chriss179 the only REAL reason xbox and ps3 fail is because of RoHS regulations removing lead from solder for toys. the solder joints are brittle and break under the heat from the board warping slightly. the chips can stand that heat ( how did they get solder to melt to get them on in first place ? ) but like you said, its a repair you have to get right first time.

[chriss179]

@DJKloop Yes, and elaborating on the first part of your story, it seems that removing lead from solder and exchanging it for a Sn-Ag3.5 alloy is even more damaging for nature. But that hardly matters... Well mass hysteria grips our stupid governments time and time again.. Just like CO2 storing in deep core drillings... In europe we're thinking about killing all the cattle to reduce CO2 output.. We breathe too much. Because one scientist made a hockeystick diagram. Mass hysteria.

[DJKloop]

@chriss179 heheh i hear ya. But you do realise by voicing this you could be labelled an activist, terrorist, protestor and have NATO bombing the crap out of your backyard before you know it ? oh its not oil in your yard ? false alarm..

[chriss179]

@longbeach225 Look at 6:42, what is that???? Thats called an x-ray.. That way he can see on the spot if there is something wrong.

[lXlNismo11lXl]

@chriss179 There is no 6:42...

[chriss179]

@lXlNismo11lXl Actually part of a multiple set of replies.. The remark was about "Well.... watch?v=jQeanpujmuM makes me mouth water." 6:42 in particular

[lXlNismo11lXl]

@chriss179 Sorry. I didn't understand as the other person had removed their comments.

[chriss179]

@iggy151 And then again how do you reball with a hot air gun???? Thats a real no go! the solder balls will all run around like crazy!

[chriss179]

@iggy151 Well.... One last remark... I think the chip shouldn't die from this. As it really needs that heat to come off anyway, wether you use a rework station or a hot air gun. The heat is going to have to pass all the way thru the chip to reach the solder balls anyways. So what should it matter i'm still stumped and in dire need of an explanation why this fries the chip and a rework station is better... Temp profile my butt. 250C is 250 wether it be from a rework station or hot air gun.

[iggy151]

@chriss179 I think the method is just as good if you have the skill and know-how. All you really need is to preheat and SLOWLY bring it up to the correct temperature. Whether you use a rework station, heat gun, toaster, lighter...WHATEVER. It shouldn't matter as long as the heat is applied evenly, the board is secure and the person doing it is skilled. :) The only thing my comment was referencing is the dipshits who run around utube thinking they know everything just because they have a station.

[bigdav123456]

I'm not surprised it had pop corned putting a heat gun that close for so long without moving it.!

[systemofadown158]

This GPU has perrished. It had popcorned. The heatgun workes for reflows if you know what ur doing. I.E A pro heatgun reflow. You do need to replace the unleaded solder balls for leaded solder balls. This will solve the problem. If you do manage to reflow the GPU back on to the board after a reball it wont work, The error you will get will be a 0003. This means your GPU HAS DIED. Check out my channel for a link to a site with all your console needs!

[mmtta2112]

All Griddles bow in the middle for drainage. This will always warp the motherboard.. Dumbass!

[grandtheftauto1233]

@mmtta2112 not this one... this is a tilt and drain, so many people use these...

[reply4reply]

u can remove chip with heatgun, but the chip will be damaged (popcorned) and if you ever manage to reball it soldering it back with heatgun is impossible, it require the solder profile applied and without the profile it wont work never the less last.

[gmgman101]

All electronics made in the US after 2006 have unleaded solder. A law was passed banning the use of leaded solder in anything. As texican512 stated, the solder in these systems has a low melting point because they have a high tin content and is part of the reason why both the 360 and PS3 suffer the same failure. The 360's poor design helps the failure even more. Reflow can recover your system. But it is actually just resetting the original problem. You need a leaded reball for a true fix.

[xboxandotherstuff]

you should put foil over the capacitors and stuff

[texican512]

Microsoft uses lead free solder which has a melting point of 250C that explains why the GPU doesn't comes off till it reaches to and over 250C. lead free and lead solders don't have the same melting points.

[phxdrummer16]

Was the lift clean? Were you able to successfully reball it?

[tcbofdotcom]

A reball attempt just with a heatgun:P will follow in a week or two.

The lift was clean no pads damaged on mainboard nor chip.

Video done by one of our members from Indonesia its basically just an experiment if it can be done at all with the heatgun.