Islamification

[TheRockZH]

★ QURANIMALS never built a decent civilization. They only destroy them and bring misery, mayhem and persecution to every country.

★★★ A muslim is a follower of a totalitarian ideology that disguises itself as religion, to enjoy tolerance and freedom in societies islam has seeked to destroy for centuries. Piss-slam and Muhammad (PIG SHIT BE UPON HIM) are all about brainwashing.

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[TheRockZH]

Muslim To-Do List JANUARY 2011

[ x ] Bomb church in Egypt

[ x ] Hate Jews

[ x ] Death sentence to girl who said Muhamad is not our master

[ x ] Kill politician who tries to save her life

[ x ] Celebrate and cheer the murderer of the politician in Pakistan

[ ] Build glorious mosque in New York as symbol for 2001 victory

[ x ] Kill a dozen of dhimmis in Moscow

[BryanAJParry]

@TheRockZH I have to say that most Muslims, like most Christians, Jews, Communists, etc, do not have the above TO DO list. BUT, there is something about these belief systems which allows a significant number of adherents to be pushed off in those kind of extreme directions. For example, the blindness of Muslims to early Muslims conquests is mental; a guy the other day told me Muhammad came PEACEFULLY and everyone voluntarily converted.... hmm... explain that to my Zoroastrian Iranian students...

[misstalker87]

Mass deportation and halt all immigration, this is the solution. Multiculturalism is also a vile parasitical threat. Muslim women tend to inbreed and reproduce, this causes higher birthrates for the muzzie population whereas western women are "workers" and spend most of their life struggling their arse off for a living. If they can't respect our morals, values and heritage, they should be DEPORTED.

[FridayNightRs]

I completly agree! Scum bags

[ozena52]

I agree that this case was ridiculous and she shouldn't have been awarded any money for having her feelings hurt. But this is about so-called liberals impending on freedom of speech, not muslims themselves. Maybe you just don't like brown people?

[scotland1989able]

@ozena52 wtf? i hate when people confuse religion with race!!! when people hate muslims they are not racists they are bigots

[ubercute1sf]

thanx for the link, I read the article. Your right she should not have been given that money. if someone doesn't qualify for a job its not the responsibility of the potential employer to consider their feelings.

[skewbuh]

Spot on, man!

[gtryghfd]

weird fuck

[ogicabp4u]

I hear what your saying. BUT to effect CHANGE you have to debate the point in the type of language I have used in my posts herein. You must use arguments that are concise, accurate and conducive and as articulate as possible without the use of any negative language e.g. eliminate the words 'can't' and 'don't' etc.

I sound like I've got a bl**dy f**king plum shoved into my mouth..but the people that can effect change in the UK speak like this. I'll leave you to guess what UK dept. I worked for!

[ubercute1sf]

This is so fucked up. Western values are freedom, equality. The women who sued did society a favor. People need to understand that dicrimination is not okay. The muslim women doesn't need to show her hair to work as a hairdresser. What about men hairdressers with little or no hair? You have a horrible bias towards islam. How dare you say that we should bully these people into leaving. You are scum and need to educate yourself on western values which includes equality and freedom of religion.

[BryanAJParry]

pt 1@ubercute1sf Who are you talking to? I certainly hope your comment isn't directed at me. I do not want to bully Muslims into leaving Britain! Nor do I want to bully Muslims fullstop. I come from one of the most diverse areas of the country, & have & have had countless Muslim friends, colleagues, & contacts. I no more want to bully Muslims than I want to bully Christians or anyone else. But need need to get some things straight here. One is what "discrimination" means. ...

[BryanAJParry]

pt2@ubercute1sf "Discrimination" CAN mean the bigoted sort but it can also mean a pure discrimination, i.e., a discernment. I discriminate when I go to McDonald's instead of Burger King. You seem to think that I believe the former kind of discrimination is right, when in fact I completely oppose. I favour the latter kind of discrimination. The fact of the matter is that I am "discriminated" against, in your terms, when I am forced to wear a suit even tho it is over a hundred degrees outside...

[BryanAJParry]

pt3@ubercute1sf What I am saying is that it is a businessowner's right to designate, for example, uniform, even if it is an inconvenience to staff; and if one hairdresser deems that her staff shall not cover their hair, then I find that to be perfectly fine, and that is without even considering that the line of her business IS hair(!) **IF** it should turn out that she required such things of (potential) Muslim staff but NOT of non-Muslims, then there is something funny going on, indeed. ...

[BryanAJParry]

pt4@ubercute1sf The same rules should apply to everyone equally or to no one. It is that simple. That is a fundamental of our western values which you seem to wholeheartedly embrace.

My friend, don't fling harsh words like "scum" about lightly. No one has impinged on this young Muslim lady's freedom of religion. Only her freedom to not wear the requisite work uniform has been impinged. ...

[BryanAJParry]

pt5@ubercute1sf But an employer has/should have(?!) the right to determine who they want to employ and what rules they want people to follow whilst at work. I am all about freedom of religion and equality for all, and that is one reason why I do not censor absurd comments on my videos (such as some of those on this one). Also, my lack of deletion of certain far-out comments shouldn't be taken by you (if it indeed was) as tacit approval; rather I believe truly in those western values of freedom.

[PositiveTension505]

I agree with you that that is a ridiculous story, and I share your distaste for religion, Islam especially, but this doesn't really imply Islamification does it.

It just implies that stupid people exist.

Cultural suicide is a totally illogical statement.

[BryanAJParry]

@PositiveTension505 Indeed. But "Islamification" is only a title and a soundbite. Provocative and designed to get the attention of those who may be interested in hearing what I have to say. A one-word title should not be taken as my personal manifesto or a summary of key principles. :)

[Piriathy]

Oh, and I'm curious. How DID Sarah manage to pony up 4000 pounds?

If someone hurts your feelings you don't get shit out of that. Well...until now that is.

[Piriathy]

I don't want to hate Muslims but ALL THE TIME i hear stories about them that just piss me off to no end. "Emigrate to Saudi Arabia or some other shit hole.." You win. that's it you just WIN. The british muslims don't have the BALLS to emigrate to a place like that. In Saudi Arabia, women have no rights unless MAYBE they come from a rich family. Muslims r spoiled in the west. If europe DOES become an islamic state w/ sharia ONLY THEN will the muslims regret bringing their shit religion with them.

[BryanAJParry]

@Piriathy I would like to point out that a great deal of Muslims I know are just as British as a great deal of Christians I know, and completely believe in western values and, to whit, have no intention whatsoever of going to live in Saudi Arabia! There are issues surrounding Islam, but that does not impeach all Muslims.

[789zazaz]

Maybe Bushra was Baldra.

[BryanAJParry]

The woman I refer to is not my friend. I do not know her at all. This story is from a newspaper.

I just thought I would make that point cos several people, for some reason unknown to me, keep referring to the woman as if I know her personally. She is not my friend. :)

[Rfc1Darryl]

@BryanAJParry - Mate muslims have the most influence in parliament, natives of these isles are Catholic or Protestant get sectarian remarks, now when a christian insults a muslim, or even doesnt, (in your case knocking back a muslim from a job) its a law suit and its crime of the century, all main parties are trying to sweep up muslim votes by agreeing.

[Rfc1Darryl]

@BryanAJParry - Look at the state northern ireland was in, and not once did the british government take action because of sectarianism, can you imagine a christian community and a muslim community fighting like that, you can bet your house the british government will be on the muslim side.

[BryanAJParry]

@Rfc1Darryl They quite possibly would, but I'm not in favour of Christianity either. I still marvel sometimes that anyone can even *be* a Muslim or a Christian, having read the Koran and the Bible.

[Rfc1Darryl]

@BryanAJParry - Well we are a christian country mate, if your gonna be religious im pritty sure you would be christian, The fact being a native of these isles means nothing, David Cameron is doing some multi billion project to train up black people only. And muslims protest against st georges day, and waving the england flag, and im a scotsman and even i wouldnt do that

[BryanAJParry]

@Rfc1Darryl In what sense are we a Christian country? Also, "Muslims protest.... georges day": that's a pretty big generalisation there, mate.

[Rfc1Darryl]

@BryanAJParry - Christian country as the england flag has a cros on it, to show christianity, the St Georges flag for the english,  and the St Andrews flag for the scottish. We have never been a muslim country, Only other religions have been brought in to britian thru immigration, yet now if your an immigrant and muslim, its the best position to be in as far as the government is concerned

[scotland1989able]

@Rfc1Darryl are you serious? david cameron doing a multimillion pound project for only black people?

[voltage17121712]

Bryan, I don't like you, not at all.

You're a prick.

[BryanAJParry]

@voltage17121712

Care to elaborate?

[Malsipots]

She should have lied like the plaintif did. This seems like a money making scam on the part of the muslim girl. Soon employers will be afraid not to employ a hijabed person for fear of being sued. I feel for your friend but she told the truth and paid the price, wrong I know but she could have sighted another reason for not employing her, like her skills weren't up to scratch or whatever. What a sad country we live in presently.

[ubercute1sf]

@Malsipots

she should have considered her for employmen that is what a true citizen would do, regardless of religion, race and gender. Its about how well she can get the job done not whether she wears something on her head or not.

[BryanAJParry]

@ubercute1sf Hi there, please see my other comments responding to you. But I would also like to repeat my point that you don't hire a spotty (or spotless but ugly!) person to sell face beauty products. You just don't do it. Is it fair? Not really. Does it change the effectiveness or the product? No, of course not. But that's just reality;all of us will always try to put a positive spin on things & if you're a businessman this spin is a matter of feeding the kids or them going hungry. Simple as.

[BryanAJParry]

@BryanAJParry

SIC:

"Does it change the effectiveness OF the product", not "OR the product".

[ubercute1sf]

@BryanAJParry sorry maybe i got carried away. I understand where you are coming from. Freedom for the employer to hire who they want. that is true but the discrimination is something that can't be tolerated at all.

These laws are put into place so that the emotions of the public or the employers won't get in the way of hire or fire. In the west, money is power. So dicrimination limits the powers and freedoms of people being dicriminated. Its absolutly wrong. Just because we aren't muslims

[ubercute1sf]

@BryanAJParry part 2. or we aren't handicapped, or anything that can be dicriminated on, doesn't mean we shouldn't be fair and look out for these kinds of people. It is the responsibility of the government to make a safe haven for every one who lives in the country. why do you think the muslim women was given any money? its not because they are scared to fight against waves of Islamification. It is because they are scared of discrimination and want it to stop.

[trigga1uk]

i totally agree with you bryan, but who did you vote for as like you said, the 3 main parties ignore the issue totally? it really is common sense to say if you dont like it here, fuck off, but the law has become so malable that common sense and british values seem to be under threat.

[trigga1uk]

this is the state of britain, im sick of it. and the elections just prove how people are not willing to vote outside the main 2 who will continue to drive our nation into the dirt. You cant complain about any of this if you continue to vote lib/lab/con.

[azamjaved]

Your are one of the lost generation who lost their faith long time ago and muslims are reminding you and you people feel gulty and leave no opertunity to show your frustration after seeing the mirror , If you people knew why Mother Mary Covered and Jesus PBUH stressed on live a modest life you would never be so angry.

[BryanAJParry]

@azamjaved

I'm not exactly sure I understand you, so if my response seems a bit odd or irrelevant to you, just come back and clarify your points, ok. :)

Basically, I read scripture quite a lot. I'm not angry or threatened by anyone's religion or faith. I just have come to the conclusion that running our lives out of the books written by ignorant men hundreds and hundreds of years ago is not our best bet. It'll lead to suffering.

[azamjaved]

aaa

[YaoiGirlOhYea]

It would be awesome if China was in power XD

[gpgpgp13322]

fucking briliant vid thats right if u r in britain and follow fuckin allah (born here or not) u r not british so the fucking muslims can fuck off home to there shit hole!!!! vote !! BNP !!

[BryanAJParry]

@gpgpgp13322 Glad you liked the vid, but I don't agree with your comments. Personally I think Christian should "fuck off home" as much as Muslims. Religion fullstop has no place in public life. It irritates me just as much when Christians (or even non-religious minority groups, e.g. gays) bang on and on and try to get a different set of rules for themselves.

[BryanAJParry]

@BryanAJParry However, I should like to point out that I am not implying that gays, Muslims, Christians etc as a general rule do in fact try to get such advantages. For the most part, I reckon, they don't.

[DopedUpMonkey]

This guy contradicts himself.

[BryanAJParry]

@DopedUpMonkey Which guy, and in what ways?

[IbnNero]

Islamification would never grow if those members were genitally free.

Sexual repression MGM lead to all kind of madness

[ogicabp4u]

There is a LAW in England that says discrimination is illegal UNLESS in interferes with your work or work ethic or ethnicity is a REQUIREMENT for the job purpose. eg if you want someone to play an Indian in a film then it IS acceptable to discriminate on the grounds of race. i.e. you can say 'we are just casting Indian because its a carature in a film is an Indian' (The law actually uses the an Indian as an example)

[BryanAJParry]

@ogicabp4u That's a very interesting post, thank you very much. Do you know the state of the law in this case? That is to say, when one refuses to dress in uniform, but as they want, and in such a way as it arguably interferes with their job?

[ogicabp4u]

@BryanAJParry that's a difficult one. Each case in England is based on its individual merits within said context. E.g. a Woman wearing attire that covers everything apart from here eyes working as a bank teller may be acceptable. However to conceal one's face when walking into a bank/post office is technically against the law. However, certain allowances (that are extremely and most probably deliberately vague!) for religious reasons it may be possible to wear certain attire in certain places.

[ogicabp4u]

@BryanAJParry also you must show your full face for passport photos regardless of any religious beliefs because of biometrics. Also any place where a biometric face scan is compulsory for security issues then anything that covers the face, but not the hair or neck must be removed for the scan. Walking down the street in a motorcycle helmet is not illegal however a person who conceals their face may have illegitimate reasons for doing so and thus it is often frowned upon.

[immigrationplague]

capital beats - your right to what? come here and impose your ways on us? Rob an honest, tax paying woman like sarah of £4000? Its alright for you muzzies your not watching your ancestry disapear infront of your eyes. Its our right lol youve got all the fu@@ing rights. We appear to have lost ours

[WorldCapitalBeats]

Hey man, i agree that its unjust that the owner was fined, as showing hair and appearing is obviously important to the job. Don't hate on Muslims though, it is our right, and are you a Christian? If you are, then you know that Mary (who is our most revered woman) always wore a scarf. She ALWAYS COVERED HER HEAD. And so did most of your women, always in Church, until Vatican 2. Peaace

[BryanAJParry]

@WorldCapitalBeats Hi man, I'm not a Christian. I have no religion. I believe the injunction on women to cover their hair in church as you (found in the NT) is basically sexist rubbish.

[TheTrueBritish]

This is the utter crap we have to put up with in this country. I wouldn't employ a muslim either but would tell them that they are not suitable, which they are not. People need to be one step ahead of them it isn't difficult, they will always use the race card in our country. I won't even spend money in asian shops, etc. They won't get my money or a job from me.

[dazdazdazzy]

the arrogant mulsim cow take the bloody scarf off its not dusty your not going to get wet or die if she refused she should be sent home to pakistan and india

[sharpshootertrigga]

i like you and i agree with u i love my country and we need to take it back

[DopedUpMonkey]

Too right, It's just sad that the current young generations are going to fuck it all up for us.

[sharpshootertrigga]

yea, the chavs

[DopedUpMonkey]

No, I meant these do-gooder University students who want to let the immigrants flood in, even more than they already are.

[BryanAJParry]

@DopedUpMonkey I'm a university graduate (2 years ago) and I want to basically halt net migration.

[TheIssis]

Why did Sarah tell the Muzzie bitch why she was turning her down ? Here in the U.S. we can come up with millions of legal excuses why a degenerate doesn't get a position.

Islam is filth.

[Eclipsepoland]

No surprise for me

[SuperOpenminded]

It is wise of you that you " calmed down A BIT" before you made this video.

I have I question and appreciate your honest answer. Do our pesonally know any girl / woman that wears a hijab, where you can say I know how this person think or feels.. Not from TV, or Media, or by walking next to them in the street., but like a university classmate, or colleage at work or something like that?????.

I like a lot your impersonifications. The one about wearing the baseball cap is Funny!!!

[BryanAJParry]

@SuperOpenminded

Hi man, religion and culture are interesting to me, and I do know and have known many Muslims who wear headscarves. It's interesting to hear their feelings. But I've never conducted a sociological study of their views, if that's what you mean! ;-D

[ChaitorPick]

WOW I just saw the link to the daily mail. its a true story..im speechless. this really is the most bizarre thing ive ever read.

[BryanAJParry]

Welcome to England. 8) :P :)

[Woolfman999]

BryanAJParry for Prime Minister! amirite?

I agree with you that many people refuse to accept certain british customs and should therefore be deported.

[BryanAJParry]

"amirite? You're not wrong"

8)

[polymath7]

Hello there. Excellent video.

I'm not up British slang; what exactly is a prat? It's obviously a pejorative but does it mean anything specific beyond the self-evident?

[BryanAJParry]

Alright there. Glad you like the vid!

No, so far as I know, it doesn't have (at least, no longer has) any real, literal meaning. FYI, it's much less strong than the C*** word, but stronger than "Silly-billy".

[polymath7]

"Sill billy" (chuckle)

Reminds me of a play by G.B. Shaw (Candida) in which one character is "scandalized" at having been called a "silly ol' fathead" by a woman who has just lost her temper. The play was written in 1896 or 1898, and the other characters in the scene react as if she's just spouted the most obscene utterance imaginable.

I could never be quite sure whether this was intended with a wink as an allusion to something far less prissy, or whether the Englishman of 1896...

[polymath7]

II.

...would indeed be "scandalized" by the phrase, "silly ol' fathead".

[Agretalien]

Totally agree, however, the Tories and Labour have to be sent a message...though I am liberal, not a racist and have voted labour all my life, I am voting BNP. We need an extreme kick back against the islamification of Britain.

[TuesdayPillow]

Gosh I wish I could get money for all the times I got made fun of in school. But instead, I learned how to get a thicker skin - methinks that is worth more than a few thousand pounds.

[countesscristo]

We are in a War in Iraq to topple so called 'extremists' whose culture threatens 'national security' and stability,yet we bend over backwards to tolerate them here,and encourage them in all areas of life to 'integrate' and promote their culture while exploting our own. Tyranny is encouraged,common sense diminished "Integration" is a 'newspeak' word. The whole state is against you,here ,in US,Europe,everywhere. The New World Order Fascists are here. Vote BNP.

[BryanAJParry]

I agree basically with everything you say, up to, but unfortunately for you, EXCLUDING the last sentense. BNP are fascists themselves. And racists.

[countesscristo]

The same people who have said BNP are racist and fascist since probably you born,are the same people who have engineered the society we have now;and they have no intention of stopping it. A one world government is the last thing where anyone can have free speech. George Orwell foresaw the big brother state. Human Microchips to turn us on and off for complete control.Fascism. Hitler was NWO and related to Rothschild. Stasification of our public officials. That is fascism.

[BryanAJParry]

I'm not trying to make fun of anyone's name. Dunno what you're on about, to be honest. And I don't know anyone involved in this story.

[BryanAJParry]

I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to. Sorry. Did I appear to mock her name? :S

[lucifervilleq8]

u r truly ignorant

allah is not offended

read ok ...

and saudi arabia is not a shithole

and news to u ....u can rant and spread ur saliva all over ur monitor but muslims are doubling by the minute in england

ok my little bitch

[BryanAJParry]

Yes, I know Muslims are doubling. I hope we deport ALL who don't follow certain British values (Muslim or not). But it isn't Muslims per se that are the problem. It's people with a chip on their shoulder who take advantage of our overly-PC establishment.

[aquarius1986]

Oh BTW, check out Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" episode on college.  Just search on youtube...it's a look at politically correct attitudes in US colleges. Just plain scary. My school was like that too.

[BryanAJParry]

Hey, cheers, I'll look into that. Did you school ban sports day for being detrimental to morale and replace it with non-competitive games day, too? ;) Mine did. :(

[aquarius1986]

Another great video...thanks for expressing your opinions so clearly and forcefully. The world needs more people with common sense.

[BryanAJParry]

Hey, cheers, glad you appreciate it. The more our collective voice grows, the harder we'll be to ignore. :)

[Gendie2]

Orr Bryan you swore in your clip it was unexpected and you hurt my feelings, i may sue you now! ill phone my lawyer after i finished watching the rest of your 177 clips,

easy money.

[BryanAJParry]

Sweet. 8)

[darrenpollard1st]

Why you were sued is because the elite want you to hold a grudge against muslims. At the same time the government is slagging muslim women off for wearing veils and not showing their faces. It is for the same reason they are attacking those who choose to wear hoods. Just so they can get their faces on CCTV for their facial recognition systems to track & trace you. It's all designed to fuck with your head & create devisions amongst us. Hitler used these tactics against the jews! History repeats!

[BryanAJParry]

Definitely. But just because the powers that be, so to speak, are oftentimes trying to turn citizen against citizen, that does not mean that Islamification or Islam isn't in fact itself a problem.

[darrenpollard1st]

Mate, I think that woman was morally wrong to sue your friend over what she did. But at the same time I would rather work with her wearing a veil than to live with a Law, Statute or Act that that says she can not do this. Also, at the same time, I blame the people of this country for not standing up to decietful polititions for creating these Statutes that create devisions against us. The thing is, what are you going to do about it? Sit there & accept it or fight your case to win it?

[AllenAtlanta2]

Injury to feelings??? Good grief! The UK is dumbing down almost to the level of the U.S.!

Oh, BTW, you are way cute.

[BryanAJParry]

Cheers :P

And yeah, political correctness isn't all bad, but this is just way to far. Let's get a grip, people!

[Mike1977a1]

I might need a knife in the future to protect persecuted jipsy's from local government oppression inspired by local middle class scum and Buisiness class Dirt!

[SiggiMcHamster]

I remember that story. I was furious over it for like a week.

[BryanAJParry]

It still pisses me off a tad. Not as much as those who stand up for this oh so hard-done-by Muslim lass.

[ivyshoots]

Bryan, I understand YOUR point about the judgment and I agree with it. MY point was that a stylist with no hair/hidden hair is not necessarily a liability to a salon, and on that point Sarah lost. Sorry you are so angry at Muslims you can't see my logical point "at all." A stylist who doesn't have/show hair is just as able to do her job; your "model" analogy is way off base. A tech is NOT a model. Hair styling is a skill; not at all like promoting skincare products when you have bad skin.

[BryanAJParry]

Yes, I'm fully well aware that having no, little, or covered-up hair does not impede's one ability to be a hair stylist. However, the point is it is completely legitimate, I feel, for the business owner to discriminate in this way. I don't see why it isn't legitimate. If we were talking about a bus driver's hair, well, I don't see such a problem, but even then, there does tend to be a "uniform" code for hair in most jobs, particularly when dealing with the public.

[ivyshoots]

From the Daily Mail article: Sarah "was not able to prove her contention that employing someone with a headscarf would have the negative impact on her business." I've worked in hair salons, and stylists aren't hired to be models, but technicians. The most in-demand stylists are often not fashion plates, but still bring a lot of business to a shop with their talents and people skills. If Sarah turned away a great stylist because he was BALD, would you then see her error in judgment?

[BryanAJParry]

No, I don't see your point at all. It was her business, her rules. IF she wanted people to see the stylists' hair, then so be it.

To flip your bald analogy around, try this: a person with serious notable scars being turned down a job to model/sell skin care products. Or someone with chronic acne. Or someone with vast smallpoz scars. Etc etc etc. Sometimes, life is tough. Maybe if you've got bad skin, maybe I don't want you selling my skin care products.

[BryanAJParry]

Furthermore, whether it was an "error" in Sarah's judgement or not is not in fact the point. The point is whether this "error" should result in such legal answer. The answer is clearly "no".

[Hez0]

Your legal system is so fucked in this respect.

Out of interest, have you heard about what people like Ezra Levant have gone through in Canada because of the Human Rights Commission or whatever it's called?

[BryanAJParry]

LOL! I'm inclined to agree with you.

No, I haven't heard about Ezra Levant. What's the score?

[Hez0]

I would strongly recommend you download episode 56 of the Dogma Free America podcast (if you have the time), since he details everything that has happened to him in one interview. You will probably jaw drop and face palm while grinding your teeth.

[BryanAJParry]

Hey cheers!! I'll look into it... but I am actually presently free-time-less. But I'll have a gander in the next few weeks and let you know what I think. Maybe go rage in a vlog, who knows :D

(incidentally, does anyone else feel like I am becoming more and more like a poor WarrenSmash clone? :P Y'see, I've always been angsty, but latterly it's been coming to the fore in my YT vlogs ;D )

[apirani]

Well, this guy has a point and this court decision obviously is flawed. However, it is not right to blame all Muslims for an erroneous court decision. This decision can be appealed and a case can be made in the court of public opinion but not at the expense of victimizing the whole Muslim community. I'm a Muslim and agree that its a wrong decision, but please don't use hateful language to inflame an already tensed world.

[BryanAJParry]

1/2 Hi there, apirani, who's blaming and victimising all Muslims? Not me! Most Western Muslims, of course, lead lives that are perfectly compatible with Western Secular Democracy. But that isn't relevant to the point I'm making. Certain Muslim values - varying depending on the interpretation - simply are NOT compatible with Western Democracy. So how is it so many Muslims get by? Well, like most Christians (etc) they tend to re-interpret where its useful to do so.

...

[BryanAJParry]

2/2

"Oh no, the Koran can't REALLY mean X... it must therefore mean what I think, Y".

[apirani]

Well, I personally think that there are no Muslim values that are not compatible with Western democracy. And again, as you said, is a matter of interpretation. Most Muslims I know do not believe in this Talibanized version of Islam. This so called "Islam" is unfortunately getting more publicity than it deserves.

[BryanAJParry]

So this Muslim woman is an extremist then? Hmm, I don't think she's the only one who holds these views. And the judiciary seems to agree.

By the way, if you don't think there are any values in Islam which are incompatible with western democracy, with respect you need to read your Koran a little more closely. Hope that doesn't sound arsey; I say the same thing to Christians who make the same point for Christianity. :) Thankfully, most Muslims reinterpret the shittier bits of the Koran.

[apirani]

I frankly do not blame this Bushra girl. She seems to be cashing profit from the flawed judicial system. There are these kinds of people in every society, eastern or western:)

[BryanAJParry]

I do blame her. She is acting immorally, and it isn't all just the fault of the system. It is a change in attitudes brought about by people like Bushra which causes such judgements to be made. She is part of the problem.

[apirani]

You have a right of judgment to blame her and frankly you do have a reason to be angry at her. However, we may not be doing justice by associating her personal act with the entire Muslim community.

[BryanAJParry]

I repeat myself: who is associating her with the entire Muslim community? I am not. Please reread what I have written to you. :)

[apirani]

Yes indeed I read what you had said. But your video surely sounds like you are blaming the entire Muslim community. Now, I may have misinterpreted your video. But again, I too have the right to interpret the video according to my sense of judgment :)

[BryanAJParry]

Of course you have the right to reply!! Who said otherwise?? If I didn't want comments, I would either delete them or disable them. All I'm pointing out is where you clearly haven't understood what I have said or wrote, that is all. :)

[creationismisstupid]

Maybe she should have had the search for a candidate done by Sir Alan Sugar. I love the way he says "You are fired".

[BryanAJParry]

I love his dreamy eyes, personally.

[creationismisstupid]

But I hated it when he fired Sara Dadah and Lucinda my two favourites. The winner, LEE, looks more like an idiot to me. I loved it when he shouted to a candidate you havent't got a bloody clue of what is going on... you are fired, get out of my sight.

The BBC warned for strong language, it was mainly coming from him .:-) I hope the BBC will broadcast another series with him, great fun.

[BryanAJParry]

I have to say, I've only watched it a few times. I don't really watch telly much, to be honest. I mean, why bother when there's YouTube... :O Oops! Sorry viacom!!! (you bunch of bellends)

[zarafino]

Amen.

If I were to visit a predominately Muslim country then I would 'abide by the rules' and cover up accordingly. People who don't do this are seen as ignorant, offensive scum. But when the tables are turned, and Muslims do not comply with our culture, oh no! We British are still scum because we're intolerant!

[BryanAJParry]

Hullo smockerel, glad to see you agree and aren't a filthy, err, one of them.

[ireylo]

Aaaaand, by the way, the vid is so out of focus and blurry that's makn' me... err, what's the right word here, whatever.

[BryanAJParry]

It's making you... horny? It's not that out of focus and blurry is it? Maybe it's your contacts ;D

[ireylo]

You're racist, nationalistic chauvinistic pig and you hate immigrants, Scotland and Wales :Þ

And I love you.

P.S. You never talk to me anymore :(

[BryanAJParry]

LOL!

Maybe I'll msn you soon. :P Actually, been pretty busy lately to be honest. Haven't been much up for talking to realy anybody, heh.

[intactivist1]

ALL religions impose a condition of, the emperor wearing no clothes. The rule we have been forced to live with, "WE MUST RESPECT OTHER'S RELIGION" is dangerous. With that sort of mantra in place no one is allowed to comment, criticize or state the obvious. Everyone is in a state of anxiety not to offend.

Religion does not allow rational thinking to explain the irrational and arbitrary rules of religion.

[reyazul1218]

Bryan, frankly I am disgusted by your intolerance of other religious belief systems. In fact, I'm so repulsed that I'm giving up my atheism and converting to Islam, just to make my point. And I'll knit you a headscarf of your own. We can match.

[BryanAJParry]

Nice! 8)

But seriously, I am intolerant of ANY beliefs which are immoral. I think it is immoral to impose your religious beliefs on others. I think that is what this woman, or rather the courts(!), did: impose certain religious beliefs on this honest businesswoman. It's not acceptable. :)

[KMehrabi]

First of all, I don't believe that it is actually Islamic law that women must wear a headscarf...and that was just a dogma that grew out of Arab/Greek customs.

But anyway, there's a difference between a baseball cap and a religious headscarf. Religious rights are considered inherent inalienable rights.

I do think this is stupid though, and court rulings like this will not cure religious animosity but rather expand it - no better example than your reaction ;)

[BryanAJParry]

1. Whether it is actually sth Muslims MUST do or not is not really the central point. The point is that the woman should not have felt like she could sue for this, and definitely should not have won!

2. I dispute your distinction between religious rights and general fashion tastes. This is part of the problem with religion: if you say 'oh it's my religion' everyone else has to shut up and just like it. Well I say, no, no more. It's not acceptable.

[KMehrabi]

1) i know, i was just prefixing my 2nd point

2) take the "british value" that doesnt legally allow public nudism. pre-christian rome did not have this law. its derived from religion. and even though you are not a christian, society has engrained a sense of sensibility to this law. if britain is respectfully secular it would have to respect laws derived from value systems that are not judeo-christian in origin. thats why this is happening, and thats why they made this ruling, even if wrong.

[BryanAJParry]

2. This is quite an interesting point you make. Altho I do realise this ambiguity in what I said. I mean, what is "British values"? Well, I don't know if I'ld say anti-nudism is a British value, exactly. :P

But in any case I don't think I hold with your analysis here.

[BryanAJParry]

Glad you agree with me that this is stupid, tho. And yes, it will create animosity, as I myself allude to when I talk about how the BNP's support is (unfortunately) growing BECAUSE of such incidences. :)

[KMehrabi]

That last minute of what you said...you're saying Muslim values don't belong in Britain?

[BryanAJParry]

That's not precisely what I'm saying, no.

Values which contravene **certain** British values do not belong in Britain as a matter of law, policy, or culture. So, it is not acceptable, for instance, that this Muslim woman should have been able to successfully sue this salon owner. Such rulings do not belong in Britain. And anyone who has a problem with that clearly has no place in Britain either. That is also not the kind of thing I feel we can ever negotiate or "democratically change".

[KMehrabi]

Yeah but you said "i dont care if youre white anglo catholic and just converted to islam" so it sounded like you were refering to islam.

[BryanAJParry]

Possibly I was misleading, but the context was this woman (& the courts apparently!) claiming this was sth Muslims must do as Muslims, & therefore it is a contravention of her rights to be turned down for the job (at least partly) on the headscarf grounds.

So, if there are any Muslims values which do not gel with certain core British ones, e.g. secularism, then I say the Muslim values should lose out. And, if as a Muslim you don't like it, seeing as I think it's non-negotiable, you may leave.