The sets and acting are like a class B production. The plot is naive.
Babylon 5 is not scifi. It is CGI wanna-be production for wanna-be scifi fans. I hate when they say they like Babylon 5 the best. It is not comparable to real scifi.
And scifi is more intellectual than just battle, for example the fan made trash about Star Trek.
@mrteemumilto There was so much more to Babylon 5 than just the battles. It dealt with religion, politics and philosophy in a much more thoughtful manner than any other t.v./movie sci-fi ever had. Is it better than literary sci-fi? Of course not but it isn't as horrible as you would make it out to be.
@gurujee666999 me. Being in a Sci-fi series, I would think they would adapt whatever fictional tech they had in whatever fictional timeframe they had to in order to fit the narrative.
If you've seen one space battle, you've seen them all. They are all imitations of WWI to II dogfighting, but with ill-timed dialog to explain to the audience what is happening.
My point wasn't the special effects, which are actually quite realistic, it's the dialogue describing the battle. At 2:22 Ivanova states that the white stars are faster and more maneuverable than the earth ships, then at 3:05 her officer says that the enemy is trying to surround the white stars. It's very basic military theory that says a slow heavy force has crap all chance of surrounding a light fast group without overwhelming numbers and/or some form of terrain to block escape.
It's amazing how many people put down the special effects. To think they think how old the show is now. I loved it will have to watch it again and again.
These visual effects are so poor, they look like a 12 year old DirectX 7.0 computer game. The definitely put their stakes in CGI too early, when good visual effects at low costs simply were not achievable on this way yet. Just compere these visuals to the contemporary Show "Deep Space Nine", were they still used models combined with digital postproduction and compositing. As in this video: 7XwQKWUkrLg
@twilightzoneseinfeld Well, it was a regular prime time show by Warner Bros., with a suitable budget. "DS9 didn't have a sigificantly higher budget. But they did have much more know how, not least for their use of the well-established model building techniques instead of CGI, which was still in an early stage of development then. Competitive CGI effects still needed Jurassic Park budgets in those days.
@Director84 Actually, this very episode of B5 premeired just a month before DS9 went all-CGI with "Sacrifice of Angels", (incidentally, Paramount poached B5's CGI house for Trek about a year prior), and Voyager made the transition even earlier. The difference in quality could be due to budget (B5 had $900k per episode, while DS9 had around $1.2-1.5 million), and due to the fact that B5 used a LOT more CGI. Maybe they cheaped out a bit to make the budget go farther? Just guessing.
@TheRealityJack For what it's worth, the first season is bad, really bad, but the pay off is incredible. The show gets good really fast in the end of the 1st season, then jumps way up for season two and there after. Then once you've watched all five seasons, the next time you watch the 1st season, you'll see all the seeds that were planted. The whole series is on Netflix streaming. Hope you enjoy the show.
@rcaminos Well, first seasons are often not as great as the one's after, but I think they are important to get used to the characters. I heard many good things about Netflix, but it's not available in Germany, so I will probably buy the DVDs. And since I barely know anything about the show, I won't be spoilered and can enjoy it from the beginning to the end!
@TheRealityJack Like you I am also a fan of DS9, TNG and those first seasons were pretty awful. But I'm pretty comfortable saying that 1st season B5 is worse. I almost gave up on it a few times but thankfully there are some great episodes in the season so it kept me going. You're in for a real treat :)
@TheRealityJack as an avid Star Trek fan I rank DS9 3rd in Sci-Fi shows behind Babylon 5 and the amazing Battlestar Galactica. Watch B5, its one of my favorite shows.
@Daikenhunter You got to be shitting me. Babylon 5 is so amateurish, especially the acting. Doesn't come to any star trek series except the old ludicrous TOS.
That's what happens when your entire budget is equivalent to what one of the actors on Star Trek gets paid for a single episode. Ignore the roughness around the edges and enjoy the story.
@TheRealityJack I too am a hardcore trek fan. Let me tell you, this show has an emotional connection like no other. Two bits of advice. 1. Watch it in order and every episode and TV movie. (Wiki the order list) 2. Season one is slow, but so worth getting through it and onto the rest of the series. I wish there was this caliber of sci-fi on
@theredhairguy Thanks for the advice, but I would have done it anyway. Look at DS9 for example, the whole first three seasons are weak, but in retrospect, there was some nice character development going on as well as the whole "foundation" for the Dominion war!
@TheRealityJack I have it on DVD. The first season is a little slow but you have to go through it to make the other seasons make more sense. It's darker and more intense than TNG, but has a great group of characters and story line.
A lot of the show's space combat was highly realistic. Just a shame that this engagement was portrayed a lot more superficially than most they did, in order to let the 'good guys' win. By rights, the Shadow-enhanced destroyers and their fighter screens should have at least extracted devastating losses from the White Stars, if not tied equally or won. Their defences had worse aim than the automated systems we've had on ships for several decades now!
I wish they would bring back shows like Babylon 5, Crusade, Andromeda, Farscape, The Lexx, Sliders, X-Files, Earth: Final Conflict, Space: Above and Beyond, Seven Days, and Poltergeist: The Legacy. All were great 90s shows. ;)
@KaiserJames Farscape was a great show indeed, however their series 1 and 2 budgets were ridiculously low and most of the props and sets were hastily assembled and look fake upon closer inspection, still my two favorite Science Fiction series are Battlestar Galactica (new) and Farscape. Lexx was a complete head trip and a cult classic, I would recommend it for viewers seeking more alternative Science Fiction/Fantasy. Crusade sucked, and was completely unnecessary.
@ApostasyUnlimited How would you approach battle in an environment with six degrees of freedom? And since you can move your ship in every direction imaginable I think a dogfight would be a more appropriate comparison. Or is it shitty dogfight tactics too?
@ApostasyUnlimited Oh yeah you;'re right, the stupid writers of Babylon 5 obviously knew nothing about space fleet tactics, whereas you are obviously a master of warfare in a theatre which is completely an utterly fictional and bears no relation to reality whatsoever! Sorry, I didn't realise you were actually captain of the Gaugalon Imperial Fleet secretly here on Earth to research our battle prowess...
@YiddoBobbins Just because we aren't yet engaging in spacefleet battles at this point in history, doesn't mean we cannot predict the nature of such conflict. Strangely enough, the laws of physics that govern things like movement etc are fairly constant, even in space.
@williamskidfears Actually, because of the way newtonian physics governs things like mass and momentum, space battles will be almost identical to the naval battles that we are already familiar with, except with 3 dimensions of movement instead of 2. Stopping and turning are harder to do in space, not easier
@ApostasyUnlimited You see i read your comment and i though well that guy seems to know a lot about Fleet Tactics and i go to you channel page and there is nothing there.
@ApostasyUnlimited: Right, because combat in a 3-dimensional space with no gravity would be SO similar to combat in a 2-dimensional space with Earth's gravity.
@FormicHiveQueen Surprisingly, yes it would be, if you had any idea about physics you'd already realise that. There are complications that arise in the vacuum of space that make things far more difficult than atmospheric combat. For example; making a large mass move at speed in space is fairly easy, causing it to stop or turn once it's doing so is a serious pain in the butt. Going fast is simple, complicated maneuvring isn't
@ApostasyUnlimited I didn't know if you knew this but a lot of physicists gave this show props for its accurate portrayal of the mechanics of advanced spaceflight.
@ApostasyUnlimited earth ships are like that on the show, but the white stars have a gravity drive which manipulates gravity to create a direction for the ships along with the artificial gravity inside the ship. The engine burn outside the ship are just the generator exhaust, the actual propulsion is a gravity field that pulls the ship in the desired direction. Its the ultimate engine. Check out theory's on Anti-gravity.
@Baseshocks You do understand that a science fiction program and actual scientific theories aren't related, and that there's not gonna be any such thing as anti-gravity, ever, right?
@Squatchmo11 never anti-gravity, just like touch pad and communicators that were are star trek never happened, space travel never happened, if humans were meant to fly then they would have wings it would never happen. Even a type of transporter has been created that transported a molecule by breaking it down sending the information and recreating it.
When it comes to science never say never. P.S Good Science Fiction shows do their research into true theory's and facts.
@Baseshocks Incidentally, gravity and inertia are two completely separate mechanics, gravity is the attraction mass has for other mass, inertia is the momentum possessed by a mass in motion, or the resistance to change in motion
@ApostasyUnlimited yes so if the motion forward say 1000 km an hour you need x amount of gravity generated behind the ship to stop the ship in y amount of time.
@Grz349 Never said otherwise, if you'd paid attention to what I said you would realise that I actually liked B5. Despite the logical inconsistencies, it was a good show.
@KaiserJames sorry its not a reality show about ghost hunting or some stupid crap like that. About the only good show left on that channel is Sanctuary.
@ItsTurningGreen002 I used to think that, too. The shitty bombastic dialog like "God sent me" kept me away from the show for years. But if you can get around Joe Staczynski's writing style there's a good and consistent story that you won't find in today's shows.
In Star Wars they have the Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy...in Babylon 5 they apparently have the Earth Alliance School of Fleet Tactics, where they teach you to give up your advantage, and instead of attack the enemy whom you've successfully surprised and encircled....engage in conversation with their obviously insane commander, while they break encirclement without having to fire a shot, and recycle their formation to fight you.
Mental Note: If I design capital class ships I will not rig a series of explosive charges that cascade through the ship. I will design systems with a series of isolation systems such that if part A of the ship is compromised parts B-Z will not explode for no reason.
good for the looks maybe, but utterly useless - jsut as all space battles - except liberation of earth - in babylon 5 after 'severed dreams firefight' suck :(
i hate the white stars... and i hate delenn
give me more narn cruiser! Earth Alliance Cruiser! :D
damn folks ..at that point there were many WS on their patrols and distant missions.. of course those were not the only 2 remaining white stars... o.O
@timjake78 Mind you, the reason they couldn't avoid that debris was because the control systems were damaged. The ship was basically cruising out of control for the short time it would take them to fix it.
@Raguleader In this case, yes, Marcus says there is damage to the nav controls. But there are other battles in B5 where it is simply pieces blow off of one ship get run into by other ships and they are damaged. I'm thinking of Shadow Dancing where a piece of a Shadow fighter gets blasted off, camera follows it for a few seconds, a White Star enters the frame, runs into the debris, cut to bridge of that White Star, see people getting thrown around, electrical systems flashing, etc.
@timjake78 Fun drinking game: Take a shot every time a ship Ivanova is in charge of gets hit by a chunk of debris or another ship. Two shots if it's the station itself that gets hit by something while she's in charge. The universe has been trying to take her out for years. She's just too badass for it to take.
If one is nitpicking on that level, there's plenty of things that weren't done out of pure dramatic license. Take the fact that the White Star ships are all capable of generating jump points and remember what happened in one episode when two jumpgates were opened one within the other..... A fleet of jump-capable ships whose crew is ready to die if that's what it takes is a terrifying opponent - and it's not very wise to surround them unless you have specs on their engines
I love the physics in this show....how the white stars spin on their axes and strafe as they pass by. Definitely don't ever see that in Star Trek...or Star Wars for that matter.
@BootedNoob I'm guessing that there's a lot of electronic warfare going on in these battles: jamming signals and the like designed to fool enemy targetting systems, making them less accurate or prone to shooting in wildly errant directions even at close range.
@ancalites Yeah, that's how writers usually justify it, but one battle ( watch?v=f-uhi_qIgSU ) of this very same series shows three ships firing their lasers on the very same spot of an enemy for some seconds over extreme range while here they keep missing over and over and over even at visual range.
Guess they just wanted the good guys to win, and gave the destroyers some stormtrooper syndrome. While it's sure hard to write a script, it sticks out quite a bit here.
Do you mean the shadow ships? They're so far ahead in technology I'm not surprised they constantly land hits, especially considering they using their main beam weapon against ponderously slow Narn capital ships. If you meant the sequence with the Narn cruisers blowing off one of the shadow ships' limbs, they're firing their lasers against a ship that's approaching them head on, and you'll note the beams were actually missing at first. One advantage of range is that you have time to correct.
@BootedNoob I think the main reason is just that the shadow ship is approaching head on in the other clip, whereas the white stars in this scene are rapidly weaving in and out at point blank range, leaving very little room for error. Thus, even a small glitch in the turrets' targetting sensors could cause them to miss completely, especially in all that chaos. Plus, a load of the whitestars were taken out anyway, so for all the misses we saw, there were also plenty of hits as well.
@BootedNoob Whilst lasers may be 'instant hit' and computer control should easily be able to track targets, I think the weak point here is the actual turret which must turn and track the ships (within its firing angle), which one would assume are travelling at some speed in somewhat erratic manner to avoid being targeted. Here close range is probably worse for tracking as the turret simply can't keep up.
@Gasssolo They aren't "X-Wings". They are fighters with four engine nacelles, each on a seperate arm. The X-Wing fighter has its engines close to the body of the craft itself with the wings opening into an X formation when needed. The Babylon 5 fighters hold their configuration permanently. Star Wars wasn't the first sci-fi franchise to use the X configuration on space fighters anyways.
damn that was a lot of White Stars..how many Advanced Destroyers were there..ahhh the "God sent me" speech !! at least these ships might have a chance against other alien ships.. the old Earth ships were a joke..looked like a lot of White Stars got destroyed tho
It's nice video but 1 Omega can carry 36 Starfury fighters. So how many at all fighters? If they was all launched White Star Fleet will be annihilated. I see just few of fighters.
@AKUJIVALDO Just because you see a few doesn't mean they didn't launch them all. The advance destroyer group was waiting in ambush, so pilots would have been waiting in ther cockpits and ready to launch.
In the end, there was one advanced destroyer left and 2 White Stars were already engaging it. It doesn't mean there were only 2 WS left, as the others might have been out of position after just finishing off their assigned targets.
In combat from 3.28 to 3.53 6WS was attacking 1 AD. 3 or 4WS was lost.
Force concentration - White Stars was attacking in big groups(to overpower Shadow's armour and targeting systems), so if only 2WS was attacking 1 Advanced Destroyer - they don't have left anymore. 4.06
@AKUJIVALDO We see a squadron of Star Furies finally damage a WS (that was probably already damaged), you would at least expect them to do that much, otherwise why bother launching them?
If that's your logic, then the WS fleet lost. I.e, there should have been no WS left, and Clark would have at least had that one advanced destroyer remaining. But what we see instead is a whole tonne of WSs in the following episodes and no advanced destroyers are ever seen again.
Maybe she was "damaged" but she was keeping her place in formation. If 1 WS is Damaged by 3 SF("squadron")-1/12 of fighter compliment what one of AD caries then what all Star Furies if launched can do?
Maybe it's your logic? Maybe that AD vs 2WS was damaged already? Because it was in the battle? Why do you think Ivanova ordered attack we see 3.28-3.53? Because that AD don't have any damage - so it can run for help. Because watching this episode(by the way it's 19e of 22 in season 4)
I get impression that this fight was almost equal. It's 19 episode of 22 so how you can to expect see any more of AD? If they get all destroyed? It's not like some game where you can buy ships when you want and get them at once. They were all Clark's AD. Series continued run 24 more episodes so naturally WS was seen "whole tonne", she's smallest capital ship in Babylon 5 series and easiest to produced. Just check WS size against AD.
@AKUJIVALDO If there were only 2 WS left like you said, they would not have been able to kill the last AD, so it would have destroyed the last 2 WS and escape to likely be seen at the final battle at Earth. This did not happen, as there were way more than 2 WS survivors.
It was only 1 month between this battle and the final battle at Earth where WSs played a huge part. It doesn't matter how small a CAPITAL ship the WS is, you're not going to be able to rebuild a fleet of them in 1 month.
I find it interesting that the human's molecular slicers (the blueish green beams) seem to be much stronger than their drahk equivelents. Just one touch blows the whitestar in half. These ships were not ideal against whitestars but had they gone against something larger ie another omega or a Sharlin it would have been the humans perfect answer. Even though a sharlin may still win that fight, would be close.
@cavok84 Yeah. It looks to me like Clark and his cronies had in mind making warships that could win a slugfest against other heavy ships like a Sharlin class cruiser. In other words, they adopted a heavy capital ship doctrine which is probably what I would've done too as I prefer those sorts of ships. Of course, the Rangers had the opposite doctrine in mind given that they were up against the Shadows who had the same "speed/agility" doctrine also.....
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Interesting. I didn't consider AI torpedoes. They would certainly make fighters obsolete. They wouldn't have to travel in straight lines, rather they could swarm an enemy vessel or seek out vulnerable parts of the ship. They could even loiter in space and wait for openings.
Maybe it's for ideological reasons? By necessity, you need a large number of ground crew to every fighter pilot; the requirements of fighter combat run counter to a political philosophy that says everyone is equal.
The White Stars are great ships, but they need missiles.
bigwhitehound 9 hours ago
The fight scenes reminder a lot like
BSG.
3veggetta 11 hours ago
You think someone pissed in her cornflakes within the first 2 minutes of this clip? Gotta love Susan Ivonova!
TheRedpaladin64 1 day ago
I AM DEATH INCARNATE in a cute ponytail and sensible conservative little earrings.
kranktank 1 day ago
oh sorry, it said star fleet so I thought it meant star trek. Babylon 5, the original troll
WASuggs 2 days ago
The sets and acting are like a class B production. The plot is naive.
Babylon 5 is not scifi. It is CGI wanna-be production for wanna-be scifi fans. I hate when they say they like Babylon 5 the best. It is not comparable to real scifi.
And scifi is more intellectual than just battle, for example the fan made trash about Star Trek.
mrteemumilto 4 days ago
@mrteemumilto There was so much more to Babylon 5 than just the battles. It dealt with religion, politics and philosophy in a much more thoughtful manner than any other t.v./movie sci-fi ever had. Is it better than literary sci-fi? Of course not but it isn't as horrible as you would make it out to be.
Fbueller129 1 day ago
You can tell they're evil because of the spikes.
GunmadMadman 5 days ago
Susan had watched Gladiator the night before...
intermender 1 week ago
Strider, fire all weapons.
intermender 1 week ago
The advanced destroyers theyre like zombie ships lol
Lava91point0 1 week ago
Dominoes pizza sent me u want this pepperoni or not?
jmcfintona999 1 week ago
@jmcfintona999 Yes.
kranktank 1 day ago
Area 51 in the future?
borgduck 1 week ago
This was an enjoyable show but the CG doesn't stand the test of time.
protoroc 1 week ago
0:44 who the fuck would have thought they could have adapted that quickly?
gurujee666999 1 week ago
@gurujee666999 me. Being in a Sci-fi series, I would think they would adapt whatever fictional tech they had in whatever fictional timeframe they had to in order to fit the narrative.
Voyksed 1 week ago
I'd enjoy this more if it was the 'White' Star Fleet bombing Africa. Hehe. White vs. black.
BarryDennen12 1 week ago
If you've seen one space battle, you've seen them all. They are all imitations of WWI to II dogfighting, but with ill-timed dialog to explain to the audience what is happening.
Pooua 1 week ago
Why are the gravity generators always the last thing to lose power?
Pooua 1 week ago
My point wasn't the special effects, which are actually quite realistic, it's the dialogue describing the battle. At 2:22 Ivanova states that the white stars are faster and more maneuverable than the earth ships, then at 3:05 her officer says that the enemy is trying to surround the white stars. It's very basic military theory that says a slow heavy force has crap all chance of surrounding a light fast group without overwhelming numbers and/or some form of terrain to block escape.
ApostasyUnlimited 2 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited the officer said that they where trying, not that they had surrounded them, the earth ships needed a better officer in charge
anlashock 1 week ago
It's amazing how many people put down the special effects. To think they think how old the show is now. I loved it will have to watch it again and again.
ronhight 2 weeks ago
WOW - I never knew writing and acting AND effects could be so poorly conceived and combined.
cmajors999 2 weeks ago
@cmajors999 Twilight?
twilightzoneseinfeld 2 weeks ago
@cmajors999 go and see when this was made, at the time this was very advance for tv
anlashock 1 week ago
These visual effects are so poor, they look like a 12 year old DirectX 7.0 computer game. The definitely put their stakes in CGI too early, when good visual effects at low costs simply were not achievable on this way yet. Just compere these visuals to the contemporary Show "Deep Space Nine", were they still used models combined with digital postproduction and compositing. As in this video: 7XwQKWUkrLg
It looks so much more realistic!
Director84 2 weeks ago
@Director84 It's low-budget
twilightzoneseinfeld 2 weeks ago
@twilightzoneseinfeld Well, it was a regular prime time show by Warner Bros., with a suitable budget. "DS9 didn't have a sigificantly higher budget. But they did have much more know how, not least for their use of the well-established model building techniques instead of CGI, which was still in an early stage of development then. Competitive CGI effects still needed Jurassic Park budgets in those days.
Director84 1 week ago
@Director84 Actually, this very episode of B5 premeired just a month before DS9 went all-CGI with "Sacrifice of Angels", (incidentally, Paramount poached B5's CGI house for Trek about a year prior), and Voyager made the transition even earlier. The difference in quality could be due to budget (B5 had $900k per episode, while DS9 had around $1.2-1.5 million), and due to the fact that B5 used a LOT more CGI. Maybe they cheaped out a bit to make the budget go farther? Just guessing.
ascend501 1 week ago
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@Director84 go and see when this was made, at the time this was very advance for tv, and by the way ds9 was a rip-off of B5
anlashock 1 week ago
I love it how she totally lost her mind in that speech. :D
SnoopysOtherBird 2 weeks ago
Come on its SciFi anything is possible.
MikellHildahl 2 weeks ago
possibly homeworld 1 or 2 maybes ? :)
DAYBREAKER1980 3 weeks ago
theres an rts game with the same ships, i just cant remenber it
dkingmarco 3 weeks ago
so...I dont know this show. Which one is the good guys?
rprince418 3 weeks ago
@rprince418 thev white stars guys
anlashock 1 week ago
This show was somewhere between really cheesy and really awesome.
Khyrid 4 weeks ago
@Khyrid low budget
anlashock 1 week ago
@beyondthetech Hell what else can u really do in 1.5 seconds
zenith2070 1 month ago
talk about lame dialogs...
ChikyuuShoujoArujuna 1 month ago
Ivanova being awesome <3
NocturnalOracles 1 month ago 2
Never seen B5. Who should I be rooting for? :D
BrommaHerman 1 month ago
@BrommaHerman Ivanova, of course!
williamskidfears 4 weeks ago
Wow, it's a good thing I never watched this series. She covers her face with her arms and turns away from incoming debris? Seriously?
beyondthetech 1 month ago
no sound, makes this poo, i dont care if there is no sound in space. there are no space ships in space either.
CruisIn1500 1 month ago
@CruisIn1500 Do evolution a favor and hang yourself.
williamskidfears 4 weeks ago
That awkward moment in every crewman's life when you realize your commanding officer is completely insane...
The crew of that Whitestar experience that moment every time they're on a mission...
x82ndODSTx 1 month ago 2
Aside from a battlestar or the uss defiant I think the whitestar is the best scifi ship out there
trentonskilz 1 month ago
I think even I will watch this show. I am a hardcore Star Trek-Fan (well, at least DS9 and TNG), but this show looks promising
TheRealityJack 1 month ago 13
@TheRealityJack If you love Star Trek youll love this show dude you wont regret checking it out
DemonDeathEXReviews 4 weeks ago
@TheRealityJack For what it's worth, the first season is bad, really bad, but the pay off is incredible. The show gets good really fast in the end of the 1st season, then jumps way up for season two and there after. Then once you've watched all five seasons, the next time you watch the 1st season, you'll see all the seeds that were planted. The whole series is on Netflix streaming. Hope you enjoy the show.
rcaminos 4 weeks ago
@rcaminos Well, first seasons are often not as great as the one's after, but I think they are important to get used to the characters. I heard many good things about Netflix, but it's not available in Germany, so I will probably buy the DVDs. And since I barely know anything about the show, I won't be spoilered and can enjoy it from the beginning to the end!
TheRealityJack 4 weeks ago
@TheRealityJack Like you I am also a fan of DS9, TNG and those first seasons were pretty awful. But I'm pretty comfortable saying that 1st season B5 is worse. I almost gave up on it a few times but thankfully there are some great episodes in the season so it kept me going. You're in for a real treat :)
rcaminos 4 weeks ago
@TheRealityJack you are in for a real treat
anlashock 1 week ago
@rcaminos Actually, it got taken off of Netflix last summer. You can still buy individual episodes for streaming at Amazon.com for $1.99 each.
ascend501 4 weeks ago
@TheRealityJack as an avid Star Trek fan I rank DS9 3rd in Sci-Fi shows behind Babylon 5 and the amazing Battlestar Galactica. Watch B5, its one of my favorite shows.
Daikenhunter 3 weeks ago
@Daikenhunter You got to be shitting me. Babylon 5 is so amateurish, especially the acting. Doesn't come to any star trek series except the old ludicrous TOS.
TemplarX2 3 weeks ago
@TemplarX2 thats what makes it unique
BMWM3GTRLOVER 3 weeks ago
@TemplarX2
That's what happens when your entire budget is equivalent to what one of the actors on Star Trek gets paid for a single episode. Ignore the roughness around the edges and enjoy the story.
aurorastarfury 3 weeks ago
@aurorastarfury If that's the fact, then they've done something brilliant. So those guys are Indie?
TemplarX2 3 weeks ago
@TheRealityJack It was a fantastic sci-fi. One of my favorites, right up there with Farscape.
SamusVSMC 3 weeks ago
@TheRealityJack I too am a hardcore trek fan. Let me tell you, this show has an emotional connection like no other. Two bits of advice. 1. Watch it in order and every episode and TV movie. (Wiki the order list) 2. Season one is slow, but so worth getting through it and onto the rest of the series. I wish there was this caliber of sci-fi on
TV today.
theredhairguy 2 weeks ago
@theredhairguy Thanks for the advice, but I would have done it anyway. Look at DS9 for example, the whole first three seasons are weak, but in retrospect, there was some nice character development going on as well as the whole "foundation" for the Dominion war!
TheRealityJack 2 weeks ago
@TheRealityJack I have it on DVD. The first season is a little slow but you have to go through it to make the other seasons make more sense. It's darker and more intense than TNG, but has a great group of characters and story line.
crocodylus73 1 week ago
This is an awesome show!
KaiserJames 1 month ago
Lame as hell...
MacDKB 1 month ago
I forgot to mention: La Femme Nikita ;)
KaiserJames 1 month ago
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A lot of the show's space combat was highly realistic. Just a shame that this engagement was portrayed a lot more superficially than most they did, in order to let the 'good guys' win. By rights, the Shadow-enhanced destroyers and their fighter screens should have at least extracted devastating losses from the White Stars, if not tied equally or won. Their defences had worse aim than the automated systems we've had on ships for several decades now!
And why didn't anybody bother with missiles?
Xenomorphine 1 month ago
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Xenomorphine 1 month ago
I wish they would bring back shows like Babylon 5, Crusade, Andromeda, Farscape, The Lexx, Sliders, X-Files, Earth: Final Conflict, Space: Above and Beyond, Seven Days, and Poltergeist: The Legacy. All were great 90s shows. ;)
KaiserJames 1 month ago
@KaiserJames Farscape was a great show indeed, however their series 1 and 2 budgets were ridiculously low and most of the props and sets were hastily assembled and look fake upon closer inspection, still my two favorite Science Fiction series are Battlestar Galactica (new) and Farscape. Lexx was a complete head trip and a cult classic, I would recommend it for viewers seeking more alternative Science Fiction/Fantasy. Crusade sucked, and was completely unnecessary.
fodxp 1 month ago
@scatmaster125 What about Merlin? That's a good show.
KaiserJames 1 month ago
@AtomicHoosier Nooooooooo! They can't reboot a classic. It's like Star Wars, it's perfect just the way it is. ;)
KaiserJames 1 month ago
B5 was a great show, just a pity the writers knew absolutely nothing about fleet tactics
ApostasyUnlimited 1 month ago 12
@ApostasyUnlimited How would you approach battle in an environment with six degrees of freedom? And since you can move your ship in every direction imaginable I think a dogfight would be a more appropriate comparison. Or is it shitty dogfight tactics too?
Gnomleif 1 month ago 2
@Gnomleif No, I think it's more like his fantasy gay lovers Kirk, Picard, and Sisko would engaged in massive WWII/Age of Sail in space type battles.
williamskidfears 4 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited Oh yeah you;'re right, the stupid writers of Babylon 5 obviously knew nothing about space fleet tactics, whereas you are obviously a master of warfare in a theatre which is completely an utterly fictional and bears no relation to reality whatsoever! Sorry, I didn't realise you were actually captain of the Gaugalon Imperial Fleet secretly here on Earth to research our battle prowess...
YiddoBobbins 1 month ago 2
@YiddoBobbins Just because we aren't yet engaging in spacefleet battles at this point in history, doesn't mean we cannot predict the nature of such conflict. Strangely enough, the laws of physics that govern things like movement etc are fairly constant, even in space.
Moron
ApostasyUnlimited 4 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited Actually, this would be close to how space combat would probably be run, as opposed to the Age of Sail/WWII tactics from SW or ST.
williamskidfears 4 weeks ago
@williamskidfears Actually, because of the way newtonian physics governs things like mass and momentum, space battles will be almost identical to the naval battles that we are already familiar with, except with 3 dimensions of movement instead of 2. Stopping and turning are harder to do in space, not easier
ApostasyUnlimited 4 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited You see i read your comment and i though well that guy seems to know a lot about Fleet Tactics and i go to you channel page and there is nothing there.
Just thought i ll let you know.
Gabriel1o1 4 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited: Right, because combat in a 3-dimensional space with no gravity would be SO similar to combat in a 2-dimensional space with Earth's gravity.
FormicHiveQueen 3 weeks ago
@FormicHiveQueen Surprisingly, yes it would be, if you had any idea about physics you'd already realise that. There are complications that arise in the vacuum of space that make things far more difficult than atmospheric combat. For example; making a large mass move at speed in space is fairly easy, causing it to stop or turn once it's doing so is a serious pain in the butt. Going fast is simple, complicated maneuvring isn't
ApostasyUnlimited 3 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited I didn't know if you knew this but a lot of physicists gave this show props for its accurate portrayal of the mechanics of advanced spaceflight.
Fbueller129 3 weeks ago 6
@ApostasyUnlimited earth ships are like that on the show, but the white stars have a gravity drive which manipulates gravity to create a direction for the ships along with the artificial gravity inside the ship. The engine burn outside the ship are just the generator exhaust, the actual propulsion is a gravity field that pulls the ship in the desired direction. Its the ultimate engine. Check out theory's on Anti-gravity.
Baseshocks 3 weeks ago
@Baseshocks You do understand that a science fiction program and actual scientific theories aren't related, and that there's not gonna be any such thing as anti-gravity, ever, right?
Squatchmo11 2 weeks ago
@Squatchmo11 never anti-gravity, just like touch pad and communicators that were are star trek never happened, space travel never happened, if humans were meant to fly then they would have wings it would never happen. Even a type of transporter has been created that transported a molecule by breaking it down sending the information and recreating it.
When it comes to science never say never. P.S Good Science Fiction shows do their research into true theory's and facts.
Baseshocks 2 weeks ago 7
@Baseshocks Incidentally, gravity and inertia are two completely separate mechanics, gravity is the attraction mass has for other mass, inertia is the momentum possessed by a mass in motion, or the resistance to change in motion
ApostasyUnlimited 2 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited yes so if the motion forward say 1000 km an hour you need x amount of gravity generated behind the ship to stop the ship in y amount of time.
Baseshocks 2 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited yeah, but they knew how to right a good story
Grz349 3 weeks ago
@Grz349 Never said otherwise, if you'd paid attention to what I said you would realise that I actually liked B5. Despite the logical inconsistencies, it was a good show.
ApostasyUnlimited 3 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited well the writers let the special effects people handle the details of what happened in the battle.
endlessw 2 weeks ago
@ApostasyUnlimited Please tell us about correct tactics for spaceships that don't exist?
greenwithagun 1 week ago
Is the acting always this bad in this show?
fireupontheearth 1 month ago
@fireupontheearth This is actually pretty good for B5.
eugimon 1 month ago
Don't pick a fight with a girl especially when she's on her rags lol
Zorolord 1 month ago
Von Idioten, für Idioten...
Xigjotjslg 1 month ago
I love Babylon 5! Why don't they play this on TV anymore? Can't SyFy get the rights to it?
KaiserJames 1 month ago
@KaiserJames he way i heard it the series is actually about to hit screen again, but it will be a reboot of the original.
AtomicHoosier 1 month ago
@KaiserJames sorry its not a reality show about ghost hunting or some stupid crap like that. About the only good show left on that channel is Sanctuary.
scatmaster125 1 month ago
@scatmaster125 Or WWE wrestling
roguelead72 4 weeks ago
Just try to imagine crossing over babylon 5 with Star Trek DS9 and TNG ships and attitudes! LOL
wisco204 1 month ago
This isn't what I ordered...
CmdrGendoIkari 1 month ago
Awww crap to ohhh yeeah to awww crap
rohanno1 1 month ago
Man Babylon 5 isn't very good.
ItsTurningGreen002 1 month ago
@ItsTurningGreen002 I used to think that, too. The shitty bombastic dialog like "God sent me" kept me away from the show for years. But if you can get around Joe Staczynski's writing style there's a good and consistent story that you won't find in today's shows.
...or do you LIKE Jersey Shore?
1acroyear1 1 month ago
@1acroyear1 I think the inventor of Jersey Shore should die in a lukewarm bath of oil.
ItsTurningGreen002 1 month ago
@ItsTurningGreen002 Blame today's shitty TV and all the "reality" shows on the writer's strike.
1acroyear1 1 month ago
I think Catherine Jane-way would kick her ass :)
hamsterminator 1 month ago
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In Star Wars they have the Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy...in Babylon 5 they apparently have the Earth Alliance School of Fleet Tactics, where they teach you to give up your advantage, and instead of attack the enemy whom you've successfully surprised and encircled....engage in conversation with their obviously insane commander, while they break encirclement without having to fire a shot, and recycle their formation to fight you.
Competency > Technology.
VonArgylle 1 month ago
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VonArgylle 1 month ago
@baza1701 eg watchseries.eu
Lightingwarrior 1 month ago
@baza1701 Just go online to sites where you watch all the seasons for free
Lightingwarrior 1 month ago
@baza1701 Season 3, episode: Interludes and Examinations
Odysseus154 1 month ago
@baza1701 you mean the middle of the series. There where two more seasons after that fight sequence.
Odysseus154 1 month ago
@baza1701 The B5 season DVD sets are pretty affordable nowadays. I think I paid something like $16 for each season for the Region 1 DVDs on Amazon.
Raguleader 1 month ago
who are the good guys ??
spiritoffire121 1 month ago
Mental Note: If I design capital class ships I will not rig a series of explosive charges that cascade through the ship. I will design systems with a series of isolation systems such that if part A of the ship is compromised parts B-Z will not explode for no reason.
idgarad 1 month ago
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That title was awarded.
BillyJimOMFG 2 months ago
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I suppose you could "Sue", Steve.
BillyJimOMFG 2 months ago
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"Death incarnate" Someone's "Daughter", "GOD sent her".
Love it.
BillyJimOMFG 2 months ago
Kirk has a nicer captains chair. SOOOO COMFY!!!
DornDaniel 2 months ago
i am the right hand of vengance mofo
jesustonight 2 months ago
I'm surprised that they didn't try to adapt the technology to the fighters.
x82ndODSTx 2 months ago
nice speech, but useless whitestar fleet...
what the heck was that at 1:57?
good for the looks maybe, but utterly useless - jsut as all space battles - except liberation of earth - in babylon 5 after 'severed dreams firefight' suck :(
i hate the white stars... and i hate delenn
give me more narn cruiser! Earth Alliance Cruiser! :D
those rock
white star = mähh...
JheakrynaKyAlur 2 months ago
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@JheakrynaKyAlur
Sorry, but Narn cruiser are just a flattened withestar with the same wings and same neck above the central section.
Earth alliance cruiser looks so primitive; there are ugly flyng bricks with fat useless section turning around a stupid finger of steal.
Whitestar had the best design of all sci-fi
Shioushiou1 2 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur 1:57 is was what they called an advanced destroyer with adapted shadow technology.
thedarkprinceVvvvV 2 months ago
@thedarkprinceVvvvV
Ohrly? No shit sherlock!
i meant the useless lfight of those whitestar ships...
JheakrynaKyAlur 2 months ago
The 1000 ton debris is coming at you at 5 kilometers per second! Protect your face with your arms and hands!
GangsterHutterite 2 months ago 39
@GangsterHutterite Reflex. Can't override reflex.
williamskidfears 4 weeks ago
/cringe
lowenklee 2 months ago
damn folks ..at that point there were many WS on their patrols and distant missions.. of course those were not the only 2 remaining white stars... o.O
Spionsilver 2 months ago
Target fixation can be a lethal thing...and Ivanova, unfortunately, proves it again here.
B5 was also one of the only shows out there where debris in battle can be as lethal as enemy fire.
timjake78 3 months ago 14
@timjake78 Mind you, the reason they couldn't avoid that debris was because the control systems were damaged. The ship was basically cruising out of control for the short time it would take them to fix it.
Raguleader 1 month ago
@Raguleader In this case, yes, Marcus says there is damage to the nav controls. But there are other battles in B5 where it is simply pieces blow off of one ship get run into by other ships and they are damaged. I'm thinking of Shadow Dancing where a piece of a Shadow fighter gets blasted off, camera follows it for a few seconds, a White Star enters the frame, runs into the debris, cut to bridge of that White Star, see people getting thrown around, electrical systems flashing, etc.
timjake78 1 month ago
@timjake78 Fun drinking game: Take a shot every time a ship Ivanova is in charge of gets hit by a chunk of debris or another ship. Two shots if it's the station itself that gets hit by something while she's in charge. The universe has been trying to take her out for years. She's just too badass for it to take.
Raguleader 1 month ago
@timjake78
If one is nitpicking on that level, there's plenty of things that weren't done out of pure dramatic license. Take the fact that the White Star ships are all capable of generating jump points and remember what happened in one episode when two jumpgates were opened one within the other..... A fleet of jump-capable ships whose crew is ready to die if that's what it takes is a terrifying opponent - and it's not very wise to surround them unless you have specs on their engines
ohauss 1 month ago
@timjake78 which it would be, given the extremely high velocities ;)
A sand particle could theoretically punch a hole through a hull the size of a grapefruit, given the velocity of said particle is high enough ;)
jadephyre 1 month ago
White Stars, stop on a dime and give twenty dollars change. Still my Star Trek, Gate,and Wars. But daaaammn gotta get one!!!
MrKellG 3 months ago
I love the physics in this show....how the white stars spin on their axes and strafe as they pass by. Definitely don't ever see that in Star Trek...or Star Wars for that matter.
KenoshiAkai 3 months ago
I so love that line: "God sent me". HELL YEAH!!
Bladestar7 3 months ago
Wow! There is some serious stormtrooper effect at work here. How can they miss so much with (instant-hit, automated) lasers at close range?
BootedNoob 4 months ago
@BootedNoob I'm guessing that there's a lot of electronic warfare going on in these battles: jamming signals and the like designed to fool enemy targetting systems, making them less accurate or prone to shooting in wildly errant directions even at close range.
ancalites 3 months ago
@ancalites Yeah, that's how writers usually justify it, but one battle ( watch?v=f-uhi_qIgSU ) of this very same series shows three ships firing their lasers on the very same spot of an enemy for some seconds over extreme range while here they keep missing over and over and over even at visual range.
Guess they just wanted the good guys to win, and gave the destroyers some stormtrooper syndrome. While it's sure hard to write a script, it sticks out quite a bit here.
BootedNoob 3 months ago
Do you mean the shadow ships? They're so far ahead in technology I'm not surprised they constantly land hits, especially considering they using their main beam weapon against ponderously slow Narn capital ships. If you meant the sequence with the Narn cruisers blowing off one of the shadow ships' limbs, they're firing their lasers against a ship that's approaching them head on, and you'll note the beams were actually missing at first. One advantage of range is that you have time to correct.
ancalites 3 months ago
@ancalites First sorry for keeping you into this long debate :P
I mean the three Narn cruisers that pinpoint an appendage and sever it.
If the shadow ships are so much advanced then why isn't their ECM up to the task?
Or, if they're missing at first, a very brief touch from the lasers severed the appendage (and apparently crippled the ship)?
Also, they're in visual range here, it seems hard that they would still manage to miss.
BootedNoob 3 months ago
@BootedNoob I think the main reason is just that the shadow ship is approaching head on in the other clip, whereas the white stars in this scene are rapidly weaving in and out at point blank range, leaving very little room for error. Thus, even a small glitch in the turrets' targetting sensors could cause them to miss completely, especially in all that chaos. Plus, a load of the whitestars were taken out anyway, so for all the misses we saw, there were also plenty of hits as well.
ancalites 3 months ago
@BootedNoob Whilst lasers may be 'instant hit' and computer control should easily be able to track targets, I think the weak point here is the actual turret which must turn and track the ships (within its firing angle), which one would assume are travelling at some speed in somewhat erratic manner to avoid being targeted. Here close range is probably worse for tracking as the turret simply can't keep up.
noisecrime 3 months ago
X-wings? 4real?
Gasssolo 4 months ago
@Gasssolo They aren't "X-Wings". They are fighters with four engine nacelles, each on a seperate arm. The X-Wing fighter has its engines close to the body of the craft itself with the wings opening into an X formation when needed. The Babylon 5 fighters hold their configuration permanently. Star Wars wasn't the first sci-fi franchise to use the X configuration on space fighters anyways.
AlbertaWildman 4 months ago
damn that was a lot of White Stars..how many Advanced Destroyers were there..ahhh the "God sent me" speech !! at least these ships might have a chance against other alien ships.. the old Earth ships were a joke..looked like a lot of White Stars got destroyed tho
xadam2dudex 4 months ago
It's nice video but 1 Omega can carry 36 Starfury fighters. So how many at all fighters? If they was all launched White Star Fleet will be annihilated. I see just few of fighters.
After fight left only 2 WS.
AKUJIVALDO 4 months ago
@AKUJIVALDO Just because you see a few doesn't mean they didn't launch them all. The advance destroyer group was waiting in ambush, so pilots would have been waiting in ther cockpits and ready to launch.
In the end, there was one advanced destroyer left and 2 White Stars were already engaging it. It doesn't mean there were only 2 WS left, as the others might have been out of position after just finishing off their assigned targets.
903IDFOLEY 3 months ago
@903IDFOLEY
Do you see what Star Furry is capable? 2.58
In combat from 3.28 to 3.53 6WS was attacking 1 AD. 3 or 4WS was lost.
Force concentration - White Stars was attacking in big groups(to overpower Shadow's armour and targeting systems), so if only 2WS was attacking 1 Advanced Destroyer - they don't have left anymore. 4.06
AKUJIVALDO 3 months ago
@AKUJIVALDO We see a squadron of Star Furies finally damage a WS (that was probably already damaged), you would at least expect them to do that much, otherwise why bother launching them?
If that's your logic, then the WS fleet lost. I.e, there should have been no WS left, and Clark would have at least had that one advanced destroyer remaining. But what we see instead is a whole tonne of WSs in the following episodes and no advanced destroyers are ever seen again.
903IDFOLEY 3 months ago
@903IDFOLEY
Maybe she was "damaged" but she was keeping her place in formation. If 1 WS is Damaged by 3 SF("squadron")-1/12 of fighter compliment what one of AD caries then what all Star Furies if launched can do?
Maybe it's your logic? Maybe that AD vs 2WS was damaged already? Because it was in the battle? Why do you think Ivanova ordered attack we see 3.28-3.53? Because that AD don't have any damage - so it can run for help. Because watching this episode(by the way it's 19e of 22 in season 4)
AKUJIVALDO 3 months ago
@903IDFOLEY
I get impression that this fight was almost equal. It's 19 episode of 22 so how you can to expect see any more of AD? If they get all destroyed? It's not like some game where you can buy ships when you want and get them at once. They were all Clark's AD. Series continued run 24 more episodes so naturally WS was seen "whole tonne", she's smallest capital ship in Babylon 5 series and easiest to produced. Just check WS size against AD.
WS is best looking ship in B5 series ;-)
AKUJIVALDO 3 months ago
@AKUJIVALDO If there were only 2 WS left like you said, they would not have been able to kill the last AD, so it would have destroyed the last 2 WS and escape to likely be seen at the final battle at Earth. This did not happen, as there were way more than 2 WS survivors.
It was only 1 month between this battle and the final battle at Earth where WSs played a huge part. It doesn't matter how small a CAPITAL ship the WS is, you're not going to be able to rebuild a fleet of them in 1 month.
903IDFOLEY 3 months ago
I find it interesting that the human's molecular slicers (the blueish green beams) seem to be much stronger than their drahk equivelents. Just one touch blows the whitestar in half. These ships were not ideal against whitestars but had they gone against something larger ie another omega or a Sharlin it would have been the humans perfect answer. Even though a sharlin may still win that fight, would be close.
cavok84 4 months ago
@cavok84 Yeah. It looks to me like Clark and his cronies had in mind making warships that could win a slugfest against other heavy ships like a Sharlin class cruiser. In other words, they adopted a heavy capital ship doctrine which is probably what I would've done too as I prefer those sorts of ships. Of course, the Rangers had the opposite doctrine in mind given that they were up against the Shadows who had the same "speed/agility" doctrine also.....
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peopledick 4 months ago
I just love Claudia as Ivonova. I always wished they would have made a series where she was the main captain, like a B5 version of ST:Voyager.
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sethaus75 5 months ago
@Stheno16
Interesting. I didn't consider AI torpedoes. They would certainly make fighters obsolete. They wouldn't have to travel in straight lines, rather they could swarm an enemy vessel or seek out vulnerable parts of the ship. They could even loiter in space and wait for openings.
sethaus75 5 months ago
It's odd how Star Trek never uses fighters. It's a weird philosophy when you think about it.
sethaus75 5 months ago
@sethaus75
Maybe it's for ideological reasons? By necessity, you need a large number of ground crew to every fighter pilot; the requirements of fighter combat run counter to a political philosophy that says everyone is equal.
Stheno16 5 months ago