Potrebbe martellare anche un pò più violentemente, così somiglia molto di più a un concerto di Prokofieff o di Bartok !!! Come è possibile che un pianista russo così richiesto e così famoso come Sokolov, si lasci andare a tanta volgarità gratuita e pesante, soprattutto con autori francesi e inglesi del periodo barocco ? Che diritto ha di stuprare così un'opera scritta per clavicembalo ? Sokolov, lo sai che esiste anche l'approccio culturale e storico nella intepretazione ? IGNOBILE !!!
@Oblomov18 Dico quello che penso. E non sono il solo a pensare la stessa cosa. Ho avuto scambi di opinioni via e-mail con altri utenti di Youtube !! Anche se dà fastidio a molti i suoi estimatori, ogni volta che provo a sentire qualche esecuzione di Sokolov, ho solo la conferma di una ennesima delusione, per un interprete sopravvalutato, molto meno profondo e innovativo di quel che si può credere ... o di quel che vuol far credere !! Non ve la prendete, anzi, continuate ad ascoltarlo !!!
@AntonioDGO I wonder why people consider we have good taste just because of liking Sokolov, Sokolov has good taste not his admirers, I would like to have his taste, by the way; just a musical idiot could consider this less than perfect...
He had what Rosalyn Tureck also had in her early days -- the ability, by way of crisp delicate touch and absence of pedal, to make a piano sound as transparent as a harpsichord.
Grigory Sokolov è un pianista che va ascoltato dal vivo più di ogni altro perché è tutta pura emozione e c'è alcun sistema per quanto sofisticato che possa restituire in differita l'emozione, quando essa è pura e legata al sentimento vissuto in un istante...
under the hands of sokolov the piano is not a piano anymore. its an orchestra when needed or a bird like in this beautiful piece of rameau. un beleavable!
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This is Rameau? It sounds DECADES ahead of its time! Rameau was Baroque, this piece sounds classical. Mozart of Beethoven could have written it (and I'm sure they played it and borrowed from it!)
Many people would disagree with that. This is because to most, including myself, this would sound extremely "baroque" this is down to the heavy ornamentation. I can see where you might be confused, if you removed the ornaments and played the basic melody it might sound a bit "mozart-ish". But played like it is in this video it's definately baroque!!!
@susumu07! Over all your comment about NOTHING !!!
simply because Baroque , IS THE ONE OF THE GENRE / STYLE OF CLASSICAL MUSIC !!! And SOKOLOV MASTER PERFORMER of XXI century...& WE ARE his CONTEMPORARY ! See or borrow the CALENDAR .
Tout simplement magique, c'est très difficile pour un amateur d'aborder la musique baroque (pour clavier) , tellement les enregistrements de Sokolov pour ce répertoire sont fabuleux (sensibilité, touché, équilibre.. tout est parfait).... Merci Maestro
of course. eminating to that special sound and cantabile is like a lust for more. this is why i particularly like many Russian pianists as they search for a deeper sound and colour.
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Yes, they are really great in this respect. However, unlike the German (before World War Two) pianistic tradition they are slightly flat in interpretation, or rather, rely totally upon emotions, of course excluding some exceptions, Richter and partially Gilels.
that is totally untrue. their focus having studied with a Russian lady is more on the whole , not just sound but phrasing and understanding of period and style. Infact there is no real school just very good tradition in Russia.
Firstly I meant before world war two & in relation to Germans. However If you mean contemporary situation, I am sure that if anyone gives attention to interpretation & phrasing, are Russians.
Secondly, I myself studied in Russian pianistic tradition (besides my teacher graduated from Moscow Conservatoire, was a concerting pianist and a disciple of Aleksandr Borisovich Goldenweiser), however that is not my personal opinion but underlined by many specialists & according to my observation is true.
I am saying - BEFORE World War Two, not now, and mean Artur Schnabel (although being Jewish and Austrian), Wilhelm Kempf, Walter Gieseking, Emil von Sauer (although he was a pupil of Nicolai Rubinstein as well) etc.
1 Schnabel is regarded as unsurpassed interpreter of Beethoven
2 about exceptions I do not speak
3 "flatness" might mean not only lack of emotions but also lack of intellect (excess of emotions or expressiveness does not make less flat; moreover, immoderation is sign of bad taste).
Pl. do not impress with names: I was taught in Russian pianistic tradition & my teacher was pupil of A.B. Goldenweiser (Khojava), thus I love Russian school but that does not mean that I must close eyes on gaps.
Ok, perfect. Schnabel and Gieseking are more enjoying ( his Beethoven edition is hilarious) and important for the piano (well played, in the sense of expression and search of nuances and colour) history than the sum of Rachmaninov, Sofronitzky, Yudina, Horowitz, Gilels, Richter, Hofmann, Friedman, Ginzburg, Lhevinne, Feinberg. Interesting, very interesting, I thought the contrary.
I thought that (before and after I and II war)
slavonic pianists are 90% of the landscape, german less than 1%...
I do not know what are your personal predilections (I suppose, emotional expressiveness even in excess is regarded as good interpretation; I would say & was taught (by Russian teachers, by the way) that nothing can more lack taste than excessive emotions & in addition "without had").
The Russians themselves admit (I read in Russian sources. It is not my opinion) that if Russian school was famous thanks to sound (I would add - expressiveness), German school was unsurpasseble in interpretation.
In my opinion german school was unsurpassable in boring style, and represents about 1% of piano historic landscape in 20th century. But you are free to consider (that is for me comic, but there is freedom) Giseking and Backhaus playing more interesting and important by an artistic point of view repspect Horowitz, Sofronitzky, Yudina, Feinberg, Hofmann, Rachmaninov, Gilels, Richter..... But please, remember that "excessive" emotions for someone can be "adequate" for other ones. Tastes.....
...Oborin, Igumnov, Nasedkin, Krajnev, Nikolaeva, Voskresenskiy, etc. The list can be prolonged. Thanks to the Russian Aristocracy & industrial underdevelopment, the center of arts at the end of the 19th century moved to Russia. Stalin also supported
classical arts of course for political propaganda & partially because he was also an admirer (particularly of Judina). Thus, the Russians had excellent support, were many in numbers and due to the inertia they are best even today.
since if it is - there is no need for dispute; if it is not - dispute is senseless.
I do not see that the 19th century Empire of Romanovs was dictatorial (when Stlin was in exile only one part-time policeman guarded him and his comrades). I even do not think that the USSR (Devil damn it) was more dictatorial than dictatorship of the modern democracy and consumer's society. As I witnessed both, there is not much difference.
How one-sideness is excellent? Is lady with beautiful profile but pallid en face beautiful? Greek used to say: nothing more and nothing less in all respects. Excessive emotions is as flat as emotionless as well as excessive intellect is as boring as absence & vice versa.
Emotions have dangerous side too being personal (you have mentioned); Russians argued since author is superior over personality of interpreter, personal emotions can only humiliate author. Thus intellect must "curb" emotions.
Ok, but I repeat: "excess" or "correct measure" or "weak measure" are subjective evaluations. For example, someone consider my playing good, with the correct dose of emotional life, someone else tell me I exagger in this. And the same thing happens also with great pianists. But definitively: music is what one play or sing, not what is written on the paper. It is comunication and life, it is the soul of the player that search for its way, the "text" being not more that a track, a starting point..
On Turek's criticism Landowska responded: "You play Bach your way, and I play him his way."
If there is no objective criterion & everything is subjective then on what ground we can say what is excellent or comic? That is the point that only emotions or own life cannot give ground to what is good or bad. Anyone has emotions & life even Simpson. Why Mozart's emotions/life is superior $ Simpson's inferior? Mozarts character (ethos) or thoughts are definitely superior but not fear, anger or rapture.
....and in fact Tureck's playing is for many ones (and for me) on another (superior) planet respect Landowska and her unuseful words. Tastes are tastes, and there are many good and sensitive Simpson's fans as there are many silly and arid Bach's fans. The relation (our unique and personal relation) with an object (a style, a kind of comunication) is the value, not the object.
I'm not interested in defining superior/inferior, but in searching intensity and psychic resonance in what I study.
Certainly, no one's business is what is one's personal area of research - exoticism, uniqueness, relation, essence, sensitivity, intimacy, records or whatever.
But to return to your example-comparation (Simpsons/Mozart) we can assign more attention to Mozart because his comunication continues to be appreciated by someone after more than 200 years (in other words, he is a classic), about the future of the Simpsons we don't know....
Poor argumentation, that doesn't resolve the problem, but better than nothing....
If time is only criterion (statistics too) we cant be sure on Mozart's fate: rather Tupak would be remembered than Mozart. Once I attended lecture on Greek drama; instead I listened gender issues - that "Orestea" isn't politically correct; lecturer also said that modern students eagerly read Feminist writers than Homer since the later is again politically incorrect while the former is up-to-day. Yet I agree it is curious that some still listen to Mozart in our dark age that is worth of studding.
Magnifique nuance :D!
Nadiyah4592 2 months ago
sooooooo glad this man dedicated his life to MUSIC
bratzko79 4 months ago 2
Tout en finesse et en sensibilité!!!! Génialissime!!
brstom86 5 months ago
Potrebbe martellare anche un pò più violentemente, così somiglia molto di più a un concerto di Prokofieff o di Bartok !!! Come è possibile che un pianista russo così richiesto e così famoso come Sokolov, si lasci andare a tanta volgarità gratuita e pesante, soprattutto con autori francesi e inglesi del periodo barocco ? Che diritto ha di stuprare così un'opera scritta per clavicembalo ? Sokolov, lo sai che esiste anche l'approccio culturale e storico nella intepretazione ? IGNOBILE !!!
darkblueangel1956 7 months ago
@darkblueangel1956 cagone
mondoaparte2007 6 months ago 2
@darkblueangel1956
invidia o pura idiozia? Sfogati pure..
Oblomov18 1 month ago
@Oblomov18 Dico quello che penso. E non sono il solo a pensare la stessa cosa. Ho avuto scambi di opinioni via e-mail con altri utenti di Youtube !! Anche se dà fastidio a molti i suoi estimatori, ogni volta che provo a sentire qualche esecuzione di Sokolov, ho solo la conferma di una ennesima delusione, per un interprete sopravvalutato, molto meno profondo e innovativo di quel che si può credere ... o di quel che vuol far credere !! Non ve la prendete, anzi, continuate ad ascoltarlo !!!
darkblueangel1956 1 month ago
@darkblueangel1956
ci puoi contare, comunque non me la prendo. non sono sokolov
Oblomov18 1 month ago
@darkblueangel1956 Ma che cavolo dici? Le cose stanno proprio all'opposto di quello che dici tu!!!
enricochestri 4 days ago
Sokolov, a piano Titan...
grjzpiano 9 months ago
amazing, such a personality
caothanhlan 10 months ago
@AntonioDGO I wonder why people consider we have good taste just because of liking Sokolov, Sokolov has good taste not his admirers, I would like to have his taste, by the way; just a musical idiot could consider this less than perfect...
I am sorry for my English
honron21 1 year ago
He had what Rosalyn Tureck also had in her early days -- the ability, by way of crisp delicate touch and absence of pedal, to make a piano sound as transparent as a harpsichord.
JohnLelandWhiting 1 year ago
Amazing! Extremely beautiful!!
NikPPD 1 year ago
Grigory Sokolov è un pianista che va ascoltato dal vivo più di ogni altro perché è tutta pura emozione e c'è alcun sistema per quanto sofisticato che possa restituire in differita l'emozione, quando essa è pura e legata al sentimento vissuto in un istante...
zarevic 1 year ago
I'm a big fan of this giant of the Piano
could you please tell me how can I get hold of this recording?!
is a recorded recital on CD?!
many thanks
amirmot 1 year ago
what a intelligent playing,bravissimo maestro!!!
his thrills are perfect,for that bis!!
kempff95 1 year ago 3
I can't help it, but I can't listen to it. Fina, grasp, great technic and approach.
A speach so fluent and natural, but to me like some foreighe reading a well known text to me without knowing the language.
All the dots and comas, all the - say - idiomas and sentences to here4 contracdict the sence and meaning this music corresponds to me.
And it's not the point of romatic or authentic approach (Gould is greatest with Byrd to Me, as Horowitz with Scarlatti).
MrJonahWhaler 1 year ago
Most of the piano versions of this song do not capture the same baroque sound as harpsichord, but this one somehow does! Very sharp trills - amazing!
kakapu4u 1 year ago
Il grande: Grigory!
Sofoclaudio 1 year ago
p.s. Thanks AntonioDGO ! Greatest Channel in YouTube !
sam0xin 1 year ago
ONLY SOKOLOV makes me younger..kind of newborn...it seems I NEVER heard Rameau or Couperin before...UNPARRARELED MASTER...! GENIUS !
sam0xin 1 year ago
this shit is baller as fuck
glottis5 1 year ago
One doesn't want to say anything when hears Sokolov, no matter what he plays, no words, just perfect....music
TheMusic099 1 year ago
His thrills are just sick, they are so defined I can't even describe it, and it all fits so perfect with his tight rythm.
M3sslah 2 years ago
At the moment it's hard to find anything better: Il y a Sokolov, et il y a les pianistes. (Le Figaro, Paris, November 2007)
espirito999 2 years ago 2
Great music greatly performed, even if it is with a piano instead of a harpsichord, this sounds very baroque.
asisecanta 2 years ago 2
Excellente version, parfaitement bien articulée et pleine de grâce.
givemetime123 2 years ago
En Rameau il passe pour un français.
BuckshotLaFunke 2 years ago
perfect !
EilisErina 2 years ago 7
I agree with Foreverlsis. He said it all.
Babejuda 2 years ago
bellissima!!!
bubinusol 2 years ago 3
I have the classic Marcelle Meyer set, but Grigory surpasses even that. This is piano playing of sheer genius.
smudgepots 2 years ago
under the hands of sokolov the piano is not a piano anymore. its an orchestra when needed or a bird like in this beautiful piece of rameau. un beleavable!
ForeverIsis 2 years ago 18
grate!
hlup 2 years ago
this ornamentation is inpirated on cebalos ornamentation!but very well done!
zurzica51 3 years ago
Never heard ornamentation like it! We are in the hall of the mordent king.
thehissingstick 3 years ago 2
beautiful piece <3
omg lol i'm also playing this for my trinity grade 7 exam..
yingdeviolin 3 years ago 2
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This is Rameau? It sounds DECADES ahead of its time! Rameau was Baroque, this piece sounds classical. Mozart of Beethoven could have written it (and I'm sure they played it and borrowed from it!)
susumu07 3 years ago
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listen couperin! ornamentation is like this! and you can´t compare it with Mozart! atention! the diference is very big!
zurzica51 3 years ago
Many people would disagree with that. This is because to most, including myself, this would sound extremely "baroque" this is down to the heavy ornamentation. I can see where you might be confused, if you removed the ornaments and played the basic melody it might sound a bit "mozart-ish". But played like it is in this video it's definately baroque!!!
jakbowtell 2 years ago 3
@susumu07! Over all your comment about NOTHING !!!
simply because Baroque , IS THE ONE OF THE GENRE / STYLE OF CLASSICAL MUSIC !!! And SOKOLOV MASTER PERFORMER of XXI century...& WE ARE his CONTEMPORARY ! See or borrow the CALENDAR .
sam0xin 1 year ago
thank you. that just made no sense lol! KMA.
susumu07 1 year ago
I'm playing this for my TG grade 7 exam, it's such a lovely piece to play.
jakbowtell 3 years ago
Well said!
carnivalcruiserbill 2 years ago
!!!
nunhov 3 years ago
I've just learnt how to play this for my Grade 7 exam.
I love it.
It's simply amazing
hazerman13 3 years ago
Tout simplement magique, c'est très difficile pour un amateur d'aborder la musique baroque (pour clavier) , tellement les enregistrements de Sokolov pour ce répertoire sont fabuleux (sensibilité, touché, équilibre.. tout est parfait).... Merci Maestro
givemetime123 3 years ago
Marvellous stuff. It may not be apparent at first, but it's real difficult to play this music well, and make it interesting. Sokolov is great in it.
Perkeno 3 years ago
C'est un morceau très beau, long vie à Rameau
simipiano 3 years ago
I like this interpretation.
ASAngelo 3 years ago
Sokolov and Ginsburg have a unique very golden tone.
chad410 3 years ago 6
It is characteristic to the Russian pianistic school.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
of course. eminating to that special sound and cantabile is like a lust for more. this is why i particularly like many Russian pianists as they search for a deeper sound and colour.
chad410 3 years ago
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Yes, they are really great in this respect. However, unlike the German (before World War Two) pianistic tradition they are slightly flat in interpretation, or rather, rely totally upon emotions, of course excluding some exceptions, Richter and partially Gilels.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
that is totally untrue. their focus having studied with a Russian lady is more on the whole , not just sound but phrasing and understanding of period and style. Infact there is no real school just very good tradition in Russia.
chad410 3 years ago 2
Firstly I meant before world war two & in relation to Germans. However If you mean contemporary situation, I am sure that if anyone gives attention to interpretation & phrasing, are Russians.
Secondly, I myself studied in Russian pianistic tradition (besides my teacher graduated from Moscow Conservatoire, was a concerting pianist and a disciple of Aleksandr Borisovich Goldenweiser), however that is not my personal opinion but underlined by many specialists & according to my observation is true.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
Flat, the Russian school? I'd say it's the opposite, German-school pianists are so stiff and boring. There are exceptions of course.
Perkeno 3 years ago
I am saying - BEFORE World War Two, not now, and mean Artur Schnabel (although being Jewish and Austrian), Wilhelm Kempf, Walter Gieseking, Emil von Sauer (although he was a pupil of Nicolai Rubinstein as well) etc.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
Before wwII: Schnabel , Backhaus (not so expressive, a little flat, as you tell), Gieseking. Ok.
And Rachmaninov, Horowitz, Sofronitzky, Yudina, Goldenweiser, Neuhaus, Gilels, Richter,
Feinberg, Scriabin, Hofmann, Friedman (these last 2 polish, but of russian school), Blumenfeld, Ginzburg.
Ridicolous to consider this last group more "flat" than Giseking and Kempff.
Rachmaninov, Scriabin, Sofronitzky, Yudina, Horowitz are "flat" pianists? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
hahahahahaha.
SarrasaniPianoCircus 3 years ago 2
1 Schnabel is regarded as unsurpassed interpreter of Beethoven
2 about exceptions I do not speak
3 "flatness" might mean not only lack of emotions but also lack of intellect (excess of emotions or expressiveness does not make less flat; moreover, immoderation is sign of bad taste).
Pl. do not impress with names: I was taught in Russian pianistic tradition & my teacher was pupil of A.B. Goldenweiser (Khojava), thus I love Russian school but that does not mean that I must close eyes on gaps.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
Ok, perfect. Schnabel and Gieseking are more enjoying ( his Beethoven edition is hilarious) and important for the piano (well played, in the sense of expression and search of nuances and colour) history than the sum of Rachmaninov, Sofronitzky, Yudina, Horowitz, Gilels, Richter, Hofmann, Friedman, Ginzburg, Lhevinne, Feinberg. Interesting, very interesting, I thought the contrary.
I thought that (before and after I and II war)
slavonic pianists are 90% of the landscape, german less than 1%...
SarrasaniPianoCircus 3 years ago
I do not know what are your personal predilections (I suppose, emotional expressiveness even in excess is regarded as good interpretation; I would say & was taught (by Russian teachers, by the way) that nothing can more lack taste than excessive emotions & in addition "without had").
The Russians themselves admit (I read in Russian sources. It is not my opinion) that if Russian school was famous thanks to sound (I would add - expressiveness), German school was unsurpasseble in interpretation.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
In my opinion german school was unsurpassable in boring style, and represents about 1% of piano historic landscape in 20th century. But you are free to consider (that is for me comic, but there is freedom) Giseking and Backhaus playing more interesting and important by an artistic point of view repspect Horowitz, Sofronitzky, Yudina, Feinberg, Hofmann, Rachmaninov, Gilels, Richter..... But please, remember that "excessive" emotions for someone can be "adequate" for other ones. Tastes.....
SarrasaniPianoCircus 3 years ago
...Oborin, Igumnov, Nasedkin, Krajnev, Nikolaeva, Voskresenskiy, etc. The list can be prolonged. Thanks to the Russian Aristocracy & industrial underdevelopment, the center of arts at the end of the 19th century moved to Russia. Stalin also supported
classical arts of course for political propaganda & partially because he was also an admirer (particularly of Judina). Thus, the Russians had excellent support, were many in numbers and due to the inertia they are best even today.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
It's sad to tell, but it's so :
during dictatorial situations often arts are more promoted and sustained than in democracy. Your historic analysis is IMHO correct at 100%.
SarrasaniPianoCircus 3 years ago
de gustibus non disputandum est,
since if it is - there is no need for dispute; if it is not - dispute is senseless.
I do not see that the 19th century Empire of Romanovs was dictatorial (when Stlin was in exile only one part-time policeman guarded him and his comrades). I even do not think that the USSR (Devil damn it) was more dictatorial than dictatorship of the modern democracy and consumer's society. As I witnessed both, there is not much difference.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
How one-sideness is excellent? Is lady with beautiful profile but pallid en face beautiful? Greek used to say: nothing more and nothing less in all respects. Excessive emotions is as flat as emotionless as well as excessive intellect is as boring as absence & vice versa.
Emotions have dangerous side too being personal (you have mentioned); Russians argued since author is superior over personality of interpreter, personal emotions can only humiliate author. Thus intellect must "curb" emotions.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
Ok, but I repeat: "excess" or "correct measure" or "weak measure" are subjective evaluations. For example, someone consider my playing good, with the correct dose of emotional life, someone else tell me I exagger in this. And the same thing happens also with great pianists. But definitively: music is what one play or sing, not what is written on the paper. It is comunication and life, it is the soul of the player that search for its way, the "text" being not more that a track, a starting point..
SarrasaniPianoCircus 3 years ago
On Turek's criticism Landowska responded: "You play Bach your way, and I play him his way."
If there is no objective criterion & everything is subjective then on what ground we can say what is excellent or comic? That is the point that only emotions or own life cannot give ground to what is good or bad. Anyone has emotions & life even Simpson. Why Mozart's emotions/life is superior $ Simpson's inferior? Mozarts character (ethos) or thoughts are definitely superior but not fear, anger or rapture.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
....and in fact Tureck's playing is for many ones (and for me) on another (superior) planet respect Landowska and her unuseful words. Tastes are tastes, and there are many good and sensitive Simpson's fans as there are many silly and arid Bach's fans. The relation (our unique and personal relation) with an object (a style, a kind of comunication) is the value, not the object.
I'm not interested in defining superior/inferior, but in searching intensity and psychic resonance in what I study.
SarrasaniPianoCircus 3 years ago
Certainly, no one's business is what is one's personal area of research - exoticism, uniqueness, relation, essence, sensitivity, intimacy, records or whatever.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
But to return to your example-comparation (Simpsons/Mozart) we can assign more attention to Mozart because his comunication continues to be appreciated by someone after more than 200 years (in other words, he is a classic), about the future of the Simpsons we don't know....
Poor argumentation, that doesn't resolve the problem, but better than nothing....
SarrasaniPianoCircus 3 years ago
If time is only criterion (statistics too) we cant be sure on Mozart's fate: rather Tupak would be remembered than Mozart. Once I attended lecture on Greek drama; instead I listened gender issues - that "Orestea" isn't politically correct; lecturer also said that modern students eagerly read Feminist writers than Homer since the later is again politically incorrect while the former is up-to-day. Yet I agree it is curious that some still listen to Mozart in our dark age that is worth of studding.
stesimbrotus 3 years ago
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Mozart kinda sucks, if you ask me. Always the same patterns.
Perkeno 3 years ago