its not just the hydrogen burning thats making more energy either, it takes very little compared the the amount of gas your burning, because the hydrogen and oxygen burn hotter hence the gasoline burns more efficiently, so in reality your just getting more bang for your buck at the pump, I dont care what anyone says, I built a similar device and put it on my chevy 350 and it doubled my mileage, ill trust my first hand experience, over some person on youtube saying it doesnt work
How does this boost an engine, you can't gain energy, it seems like a perpetual motion device to me, unless salt-water or whatever you use is like more fuel. My hydrogen generator actually ends up boiling my water after 2 or 3 min runtime. Also the goal of hydrogen cars is not to run a combustion engine, it is more like a battery that you can charge very quickly by filling pressure tanks.
You don't gain any energy from this you make use of the stored energy in the water similar to how your making energy with the sored fuel in your gas/diesel tank... The reason it will boost mileage is that your making use of the alternators untapped amperage to provide more fuel to the engine. The best way to make a vehicle run more efficient is to eliminate wasted or untapped energy. unused alternator amps or regenerative braking can be used as an example.
Everyone can quit nagging each other about thermodynamics and engine load from the alt. A booster will only work on a volumetrically efficient engine that is leaned out to accommodate the supplement. This cell was just a trial and was replaced with a much larger cell that was used on a trial run from NY to FL and back.
@msdg137 I don't get how this boosts your engine, you can't gain energy from this, its like an impossible perpetual motion device. Also, mine boils my water over a run time of maybe 3 minutes.
why isent any one talking about pressurising this gas? free energy of sun and wind be great for making it, jus needs presuriseing for motor vehcle use and home cooking /heating.
would be great on a yaught if you could stor it safely!
This is what I plan to do in the future I would like to build a self sustaining home. Hydro electric and wind powered electricity and pressurized hydrogen to cook and supplement the solar power heat at night.
i agree with you sdmike2, with electrical load on the alternator load there is extra drag on the motor lets say 1 or 2% maximum, there are guys on you tube that have been able to get higher than 15% increase in mileage .........so it definatley outways the very slight increase in load from the alternator.
It's simple. a cars alternator produces way more energy than needed to run the car. Most of the time it is just wasted. Unless you use some of that energy to produce hho :)
HAHAH your so funny since i have proven that the ALT produces a CONSTANT 14.2 volts all the time at a min of 300 rpm and the same at 1500 rpm there is a CONTROLER to keep the battery at full charge it does not and can not speed it self to do more work. thats why its called a voltage regulator !!! it regulates to keep the battery charged and alows more or less volts to the battery .the alt is at 1 setting . The current draw is from the battery not the alt.
Interesting, but I don't see any point in it. Electrolysis is a high school experiment and not useful for much. There are much more effective ways of producing hydrogen....
The point is u can do it with a battery that comes in ur car and produce hydrogen that blows up in the engine due to the spark plugs, i.e. energy to help run the car and maintain higher gas milage.
but either way, u produce hydrogen in the end THROUGH electricity and water, creating the power to push your vehicle.... WITH of course some fuel, of course not enough energy to push the whole vehicle but giving enough effort just so ur MPG is higher.
what???? burning it doesnt take much energy...... except electrosys and thats just through the battery and the bubbles that are created DO burn which is what gas does... which is the reason a car runs. Look up this other video on here its been done and it has been proven to work over 50 times.
EVEN IF IT IS, the way that it works. The MPG will be higher because hydrogen is helping out and dependancy on oil is less. So u both pay less for gas and get a free energy source. So in the end you benefit REGARDLESS on how a car works.
You're still not getting it. The hydrogen doesn't help out in the end, BECAUSE IT TAKES MORE GASOLINE TO MAKE THE HYDROGEN THAN IT'LL SAVE YOU BY BURNING IT.
You are overlooking the fact that the presense of the hydrogen and oxygen change the burning characteristics of the air and fuel, thereby upping the efficency of the combustion process. A gasoline engine is only about 20% efficient.
NO again your wrong it cost Nothing extra from your car to produce the hho the 30 amps extra is Built into the design of your alt to act and a accessory So your altenator can handle that little extra load off the battery.The energy to turn the alt was calculated into the MPG of the car so it uses No extra gas to turn it.So again plz learn about cars and booster before you post MR. Arrowhead83 or just STFU
Wrong. Please, learn how an alternator works. It puts out a constant voltage. The amperage varies with the electrical load you put on it. The more load you add - for example an "HHO booster" - the more current the alt sinks, and the harder it is for the engine to turn it.
A car's battery is NOT USED on the road. Once the engine's running, the car's electrical needs are supplied by the alternator.
"The energy to turn the alt was calculated into the MPG of the car so it uses No extra gas to turn it"
WRONG. Again, the energy to turn the alt varies with the energy you're drawing from the alt, and it absolutely DOES make the car burn more gas when you draw more current from it.
"So again plz learn about cars and booster before you post MR. Arrowhead83 or just STFU"
I think you need more automotive school and learn how they build a engine and calculate gas millage since a 100 amp alt can only put that much out before it burns out and IS built into the verification of the AVG MPG said for that car. all your statements are totaly wrong and ya need to just stop being a dick and posting crap.
You LEAN out the Car to reduce the gas and Supplemnt the Gas you lose from the LEAN with HHO in return Using less FOSSIL FUEL .I told I to just STFU and quit your posting before ya get called out. And again your WRONG its 2hydrogen and 1 oxygen parts of Gas being removed form the water Its separating the Bonds between the molecules to form it back into its gas form.
Yes your system if producing 1lpm and A good booster can produce 2lpm is enough and more then enough to Supplement the gas thats being leaned out. im guessing you have no knowledge of cars and how much you actually lose when a car is in Lean mode? Well i guess sits time to stop the argument since i know you wont give up trying to prove your self right which will not happen. BTW your ALt produces the same current all the time the load from accessory comes off the battery Not the alt .
1 lpm, even 2 lpm, is just tiny as hell. To put things into perspective: If you ran your car off of hydrogen only (no gasoline), it would require in the ballpark of 500 liters per minute.
I have knowledge of cars. And chemistry and physics on top of that. A car can run rich or lean to various degrees. There's no "mode". It's a relative thing.
"BTW your ALt produces the same current all the time the load from accessory comes off the battery Not the alt."
WRONG.
Test this for yourself; it's so easy even you can manage it: get a ScanGauge, and go for a litle highway drive with all your accessories turned off. Note your gas mileage. Now turn on as much as you can - high beams, heating/AC on high - hell, even hook up an inverter and a microwave and cook yourself a bowl of KD in the passenger seat. Note your gas mileage. Compare.
"And again your WRONG its 2hydrogen and 1 oxygen parts of Gas being removed form the water Its separating the Bonds between the molecules to form it back into its gas form."
1) It's "you're", not "your".
2) Nope, you're wrong. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HHO. The gas produced from 2 H2O is 2 H2 and 1 O2.
3) Bonds between ATOMS, bro, ATOMS. When atoms are bonded together, THAT'S called a molecule. H2O is a molecule. H is an atom.
That is why when your alt goes dead you still can run the car and raido,lights and other things with out the alt. working. a alt is on a constant 14v and a voltage regulator that keeps the battery at 12 v constant.
DUDE do you read what you typed? If you reduce your gas that goes in to the engine and suplement it with HHO how are you NOT saving GAS? So what you said makes no sense! please go learn how these hho boosters works and then learn how a engine works .
"If you reduce your gas that goes in to the engine and suplement it with HHO how are you NOT saving GAS?"
Because you're not reducing your gas that goes into the engine. The "HHO" system draws power from the alternator, which puts a mechanical load on the engine, which makes it burn more gas. The "HHO" can partially offset this but not completely.
What I said makes perfect sense.
I suggest YOU learn how engines work.
By the way, there's no such thing as HHO. It's oxygen and hydrogen, H2 + O2
its not just the hydrogen burning thats making more energy either, it takes very little compared the the amount of gas your burning, because the hydrogen and oxygen burn hotter hence the gasoline burns more efficiently, so in reality your just getting more bang for your buck at the pump, I dont care what anyone says, I built a similar device and put it on my chevy 350 and it doubled my mileage, ill trust my first hand experience, over some person on youtube saying it doesnt work
slipsonic 9 months ago
How does this boost an engine, you can't gain energy, it seems like a perpetual motion device to me, unless salt-water or whatever you use is like more fuel. My hydrogen generator actually ends up boiling my water after 2 or 3 min runtime. Also the goal of hydrogen cars is not to run a combustion engine, it is more like a battery that you can charge very quickly by filling pressure tanks.
aForkandaSpoon 1 year ago
@aForkandaSpoon
You don't gain any energy from this you make use of the stored energy in the water similar to how your making energy with the sored fuel in your gas/diesel tank... The reason it will boost mileage is that your making use of the alternators untapped amperage to provide more fuel to the engine. The best way to make a vehicle run more efficient is to eliminate wasted or untapped energy. unused alternator amps or regenerative braking can be used as an example.
msdg137 1 year ago
@msdg137 Ok, thanks, I also discovered that the hydrogen and oxygen leech more energy out of your gasoline or diesel
aForkandaSpoon 1 year ago
Everyone can quit nagging each other about thermodynamics and engine load from the alt. A booster will only work on a volumetrically efficient engine that is leaned out to accommodate the supplement. This cell was just a trial and was replaced with a much larger cell that was used on a trial run from NY to FL and back.
msdg137 2 years ago
@msdg137 I don't get how this boosts your engine, you can't gain energy from this, its like an impossible perpetual motion device. Also, mine boils my water over a run time of maybe 3 minutes.
aForkandaSpoon 1 year ago
why isent any one talking about pressurising this gas? free energy of sun and wind be great for making it, jus needs presuriseing for motor vehcle use and home cooking /heating.
would be great on a yaught if you could stor it safely!
glassspider66 2 years ago
This is what I plan to do in the future I would like to build a self sustaining home. Hydro electric and wind powered electricity and pressurized hydrogen to cook and supplement the solar power heat at night.
msdg137 2 years ago
there are companies that already produce solid state fuel cells, you can research "solid-state hydrogen storage system" to find out more
there are also in production fuel cell units meant to recharge cell phones and one
company I found has had a hydrogen fuel
cell powered RC car out for a few years now
pixelsgold 2 years ago
i agree with you sdmike2, with electrical load on the alternator load there is extra drag on the motor lets say 1 or 2% maximum, there are guys on you tube that have been able to get higher than 15% increase in mileage .........so it definatley outways the very slight increase in load from the alternator.
mikxr 3 years ago
Ok i finally found that a higher current draw does increase mechanical drag on a motor. about 1 horsepower per 25 amps output. My bad.
sdmike2 3 years ago
It's simple. a cars alternator produces way more energy than needed to run the car. Most of the time it is just wasted. Unless you use some of that energy to produce hho :)
sdmike2 3 years ago
Wrong. The alternator does not produce way more energy than is needed. It's made so that the current varies with the load you put on it.
With the increase in current there's an increase in back-EMF, which makes the alternator harder for the engine to turn, which makes it burn more gas.
Energy doesn't just come out of nowhere or vanish into nowhere.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
HAHAH your so funny since i have proven that the ALT produces a CONSTANT 14.2 volts all the time at a min of 300 rpm and the same at 1500 rpm there is a CONTROLER to keep the battery at full charge it does not and can not speed it self to do more work. thats why its called a voltage regulator !!! it regulates to keep the battery charged and alows more or less volts to the battery .the alt is at 1 setting . The current draw is from the battery not the alt.
Vistal1 3 years ago
"HAHAH your so funny since i have proven that the ALT produces a CONSTANT 14.2 volts all the time at a min of 300 rpm and the same at 1500 rpm"
Hey fuckskull, I'm not telling you the voltage varies, I'm telling you the CURRENT varies, which it does!
"alows more or less volts to the battery"
Amps.
".the alt is at 1 setting . The current draw is from the battery not the alt."
You're impossible....
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
where will all that green swill get dumped...?????
dabigjokeoftheday 3 years ago
How many volts are you using?
alleydude 3 years ago
I think, you not produce H2, but you boil the water only. :C.
brutallife 3 years ago
Make one and light it,you will see its hydrogen.
powerslide000 3 years ago
lol Electrolysis will produce h2, collect it and light a match
RandomShortguy 3 years ago
Interesting, but I don't see any point in it. Electrolysis is a high school experiment and not useful for much. There are much more effective ways of producing hydrogen....
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
The point is u can do it with a battery that comes in ur car and produce hydrogen that blows up in the engine due to the spark plugs, i.e. energy to help run the car and maintain higher gas milage.
djdoc07 3 years ago
No. The electrical energy doesn't come from the battery, it comes from the alternator. The alternator gets its energy from the engine.
So what you're saying is like trying to fly by pulling up on your own belt. It doesn't work.
Look up the laws of thermodynamics.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
but either way, u produce hydrogen in the end THROUGH electricity and water, creating the power to push your vehicle.... WITH of course some fuel, of course not enough energy to push the whole vehicle but giving enough effort just so ur MPG is higher.
djdoc07 3 years ago
No, your MPG won't be higher, because it's taking more energy to make the hydrogen than burning it gives you.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
what???? burning it doesnt take much energy...... except electrosys and thats just through the battery and the bubbles that are created DO burn which is what gas does... which is the reason a car runs. Look up this other video on here its been done and it has been proven to work over 50 times.
djdoc07 3 years ago
Please, learn how cars work. The battery is only used to start the car, and to run the electrical when you don't have the engine running.
When the engine is running, the electrical system is powered by the engine, through the alternator.
So as you can see, ALL the energy (both mechanical and electric) in a car is ultimately coming from the fuel.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
EVEN IF IT IS, the way that it works. The MPG will be higher because hydrogen is helping out and dependancy on oil is less. So u both pay less for gas and get a free energy source. So in the end you benefit REGARDLESS on how a car works.
djdoc07 3 years ago
You're still not getting it. The hydrogen doesn't help out in the end, BECAUSE IT TAKES MORE GASOLINE TO MAKE THE HYDROGEN THAN IT'LL SAVE YOU BY BURNING IT.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
Arrowhead
You are overlooking the fact that the presense of the hydrogen and oxygen change the burning characteristics of the air and fuel, thereby upping the efficency of the combustion process. A gasoline engine is only about 20% efficient.
y2kdon1 3 years ago
NO again your wrong it cost Nothing extra from your car to produce the hho the 30 amps extra is Built into the design of your alt to act and a accessory So your altenator can handle that little extra load off the battery.The energy to turn the alt was calculated into the MPG of the car so it uses No extra gas to turn it.So again plz learn about cars and booster before you post MR. Arrowhead83 or just STFU
Vistal1 3 years ago
Wrong. Please, learn how an alternator works. It puts out a constant voltage. The amperage varies with the electrical load you put on it. The more load you add - for example an "HHO booster" - the more current the alt sinks, and the harder it is for the engine to turn it.
A car's battery is NOT USED on the road. Once the engine's running, the car's electrical needs are supplied by the alternator.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
"The energy to turn the alt was calculated into the MPG of the car so it uses No extra gas to turn it"
WRONG. Again, the energy to turn the alt varies with the energy you're drawing from the alt, and it absolutely DOES make the car burn more gas when you draw more current from it.
"So again plz learn about cars and booster before you post MR. Arrowhead83 or just STFU"
You really need to take your own advice.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
I think you need more automotive school and learn how they build a engine and calculate gas millage since a 100 amp alt can only put that much out before it burns out and IS built into the verification of the AVG MPG said for that car. all your statements are totaly wrong and ya need to just stop being a dick and posting crap.
Vistal1 3 years ago
Wow, are you ever dense. Let me repeat it AGAIN. Hopefully EVENTUALLY it will set in.
The mechanical load the alternator puts on the engine VARIES WITH THE CURRENT YOU'RE DRAWING FROM IT.
Yes, a 100-amp alt is only rated for 100 amps. But at say 5 amps it's much easier to turn than it is at 95 amps.
You're the know-nothing dick who's posting crap.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
You LEAN out the Car to reduce the gas and Supplemnt the Gas you lose from the LEAN with HHO in return Using less FOSSIL FUEL .I told I to just STFU and quit your posting before ya get called out. And again your WRONG its 2hydrogen and 1 oxygen parts of Gas being removed form the water Its separating the Bonds between the molecules to form it back into its gas form.
Vistal1 3 years ago
"You LEAN out the Car to reduce the gas and Supplemnt the Gas you lose from the LEAN with HHO in return Using less FOSSIL FUEL"
And you're not producing enough gas to replace the extra gasoline the system is costing you.
"I told I to just STFU and quit your posting before ya get called out."
Called out? Called out as what?
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
Yes your system if producing 1lpm and A good booster can produce 2lpm is enough and more then enough to Supplement the gas thats being leaned out. im guessing you have no knowledge of cars and how much you actually lose when a car is in Lean mode? Well i guess sits time to stop the argument since i know you wont give up trying to prove your self right which will not happen. BTW your ALt produces the same current all the time the load from accessory comes off the battery Not the alt .
Vistal1 3 years ago
1 lpm, even 2 lpm, is just tiny as hell. To put things into perspective: If you ran your car off of hydrogen only (no gasoline), it would require in the ballpark of 500 liters per minute.
I have knowledge of cars. And chemistry and physics on top of that. A car can run rich or lean to various degrees. There's no "mode". It's a relative thing.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
"BTW your ALt produces the same current all the time the load from accessory comes off the battery Not the alt."
WRONG.
Test this for yourself; it's so easy even you can manage it: get a ScanGauge, and go for a litle highway drive with all your accessories turned off. Note your gas mileage. Now turn on as much as you can - high beams, heating/AC on high - hell, even hook up an inverter and a microwave and cook yourself a bowl of KD in the passenger seat. Note your gas mileage. Compare.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
"Well i guess sits time to stop the argument since i know you wont give up trying to prove your self right which will not happen."
You're right - seems like proof doesn't matter in your world; you'll believe whatever you want to believe.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
"And again your WRONG its 2hydrogen and 1 oxygen parts of Gas being removed form the water Its separating the Bonds between the molecules to form it back into its gas form."
1) It's "you're", not "your".
2) Nope, you're wrong. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HHO. The gas produced from 2 H2O is 2 H2 and 1 O2.
3) Bonds between ATOMS, bro, ATOMS. When atoms are bonded together, THAT'S called a molecule. H2O is a molecule. H is an atom.
Seriously, stop talking out of your ass.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
That is why when your alt goes dead you still can run the car and raido,lights and other things with out the alt. working. a alt is on a constant 14v and a voltage regulator that keeps the battery at 12 v constant.
Vistal1 3 years ago
So you've bothered to do a little reading finally.
And you have to realize that even from that point of view, the more current you draw, the harder the alternator's going to work.
ArrowHead83 3 years ago
DUDE do you read what you typed? If you reduce your gas that goes in to the engine and suplement it with HHO how are you NOT saving GAS? So what you said makes no sense! please go learn how these hho boosters works and then learn how a engine works .
Vistal1 3 years ago
"If you reduce your gas that goes in to the engine and suplement it with HHO how are you NOT saving GAS?"
Because you're not reducing your gas that goes into the engine. The "HHO" system draws power from the alternator, which puts a mechanical load on the engine, which makes it burn more gas. The "HHO" can partially offset this but not completely.
What I said makes perfect sense.
I suggest YOU learn how engines work.
By the way, there's no such thing as HHO. It's oxygen and hydrogen, H2 + O2
ArrowHead83 3 years ago