Ayn was one of those few brilliant minds. When I first came across Ayn about twenty or so years ago, it was refreshing to see someone who thought & saw things exactly as I did & do.
How exactly can anything said in this video lead to serenity? And what attitude do Objectivists have towards emotions that disturb our serenity....like, for instance, anger, hatred, bitterness, discontent, greed and so on?
@2011rosarot That's an easy thing to answer. Take anger as an example, anger usuall y derives from one being able to change a person's mind, i.e. trying to get someone to see things your way. One can't always get another to do that so, serenity comes from accepting that fact.
@MrMansson10, thanks for your reply. So, does that mean that emotions which destroy our serenity (like anger, hatred, bitterness etc.) are sometimes necessary and good...and sometimes unnecessary and bad (according to Objectivism)?
@2011rosarot Your welcome. Emotions that destroy serenity is never necessary nor good, from experience something like bitterness is pointless. Basically, you just feel bad about something which you have no control over, it doesn't change the thin or make it go away so, why subject yourself to it? Now, anger & hatred is a bit more tricky. For the most part they also are pointless. However, on the other hand, anger & hate can be useful which makes it good.
"Stagnant barbarism" of the humanities? Oh, lordy! There is something distinctly cultish in this exaltation of Rand. A person who approaches the world honestly and empirically would dispense with Objectivism no less quickly than they do Marxism, Libertarianism, Catholicism or any other doctrinaire ideological trip.
@bej144 I don't care how objective objectivist claim to be they still filter things on an individually unique level, based on biases, opinions, personal feelings etc. Reality is absolutely objective for sure, but there's still the filtering of information on a subjective level such as unique personal interpretation of that information. To e truly objective is to look at incoming info completely detached from emotions etc. it can be done, but objectivists don't appear to do it.
@bej144 you've mentioned the cultish nature of Ayn Rand followers, well, there's this book called the Ayn Rand cult, I highly recommend it. The ARI is a perfect example of that with the Atlas Society being an attempt at moving away from that. Rand was brilliant, but granted een she wasn't without subjective filteration & interpretation of things. The key is being able to tell when one is being objective from not being so.
I love Ayn Rand's fundamental ideas. I can't seem to reconcile myself to the theory of laissez faire however. I think living close with the land is a healthy life physically and spiritually ( psychologically). We have no connection to all the beauty of country living. Cities just seem to breed irrationality, but then again, would it be better or worse if totally unmixed economy??????????????
She is exceedingly intelligent, and I agree with her in so many ways, however, her lack of understanding of God is a failure of imagination, and a limitation of knowledge. She is like the wise old caveman saying a mans voice can not be heard 250,000 miles away. A scientist shows her a radio tower that picks up an Astronaut on the moons voice, and plays it on a handheld radio. Her logic tells her, that voice is not coming from a man on the moon, but from the handheld radio.
@Brantoc oh ok, now i get it but still does not prove god exist. why don't you just say it's just that, part of my imagination. or more like collective imagination.
@Brantoc Your "understanding of god" is a delusion of your own making. I believed for many years and thought myself rational. With hindsight, it's easy to see the deception.
I enjoy Ayn's fresh perspectives, and her refusal to look at the world through anyone else's eyes, but find Rand herself increasingly tiresome. She was brilliant but obnoxious.
God is the magic, the spirit in us all, that we can tap to motivate us. The creator. We are the creators and we are all part of god, the source. I'm not exactly sure if that god or creator is a single sovereign being, or all of us together. I'm not sure it makes much of a difference. Jesus said if you help others, you help him and you help god. That leads me to believe god is in all of us. Spirit. Mindset, or metaphysics, I don't really care. I don't think defining it does it any justice.
@shamgar001 Proverbs 29:7 "The Righteous are concerned for the rights of the poor; the Wicked do not understand such concern." Proverbs 31:8
"Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy." Matthew 5:42
"Give to him who asks of you and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you."
Psalms 140:12
"I know the LORD will maintain the cause of the afflicted and justice for the poor."
"Woe to those who enact evil statutes and to those who continually record unjust decisions so as to deprive the needy of justice and rob the Poor of their rights." Matthew 25:34
"Then the King will say to those on one side...'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, thirsty and give You drink? And when did we see You a stranger and invite you in? '...when you did it to one of these Poor, ... even the least of them, ... you did it to Me.'
'Lord, when did we see You hungry, thirsty, or sick and did not take care of You?'
"Then He will answer,
'...when you did NOT do it to one of these Poor,
...even the least of them,
...you did NOT do it to Me.'
There are statements like this in the old testament too. Obviously if god has commanded you to do good for one another, you're not just doing it for the people, but for him.
Ayn was one of those few brilliant minds. When I first came across Ayn about twenty or so years ago, it was refreshing to see someone who thought & saw things exactly as I did & do.
MrMansson10 6 days ago
How exactly can anything said in this video lead to serenity? And what attitude do Objectivists have towards emotions that disturb our serenity....like, for instance, anger, hatred, bitterness, discontent, greed and so on?
2011rosarot 3 months ago
@2011rosarot That's an easy thing to answer. Take anger as an example, anger usuall y derives from one being able to change a person's mind, i.e. trying to get someone to see things your way. One can't always get another to do that so, serenity comes from accepting that fact.
MrMansson10 6 days ago
@MrMansson10, thanks for your reply. So, does that mean that emotions which destroy our serenity (like anger, hatred, bitterness etc.) are sometimes necessary and good...and sometimes unnecessary and bad (according to Objectivism)?
2011rosarot 6 days ago
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@2011rosarot Your welcome. Emotions that destroy serenity is never necessary nor good, from experience something like bitterness is pointless. Basically, you just feel bad about something which you have no control over, it doesn't change the thin or make it go away so, why subject yourself to it? Now, anger & hatred is a bit more tricky. For the most part they also are pointless. However, on the other hand, anger & hate can be useful which makes it good.
MrMansson10 5 days ago
thanks for the uploads
reyhighet 5 months ago
"Stagnant barbarism" of the humanities? Oh, lordy! There is something distinctly cultish in this exaltation of Rand. A person who approaches the world honestly and empirically would dispense with Objectivism no less quickly than they do Marxism, Libertarianism, Catholicism or any other doctrinaire ideological trip.
bej144 8 months ago
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@bej144 I don't care how objective objectivist claim to be they still filter things on an individually unique level, based on biases, opinions, personal feelings etc. Reality is absolutely objective for sure, but there's still the filtering of information on a subjective level such as unique personal interpretation of that information. To e truly objective is to look at incoming info completely detached from emotions etc. it can be done, but objectivists don't appear to do it.
MrMansson10 5 days ago
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@bej144 you've mentioned the cultish nature of Ayn Rand followers, well, there's this book called the Ayn Rand cult, I highly recommend it. The ARI is a perfect example of that with the Atlas Society being an attempt at moving away from that. Rand was brilliant, but granted een she wasn't without subjective filteration & interpretation of things. The key is being able to tell when one is being objective from not being so.
MrMansson10 5 days ago
I love Ayn Rand's fundamental ideas. I can't seem to reconcile myself to the theory of laissez faire however. I think living close with the land is a healthy life physically and spiritually ( psychologically). We have no connection to all the beauty of country living. Cities just seem to breed irrationality, but then again, would it be better or worse if totally unmixed economy??????????????
egnarocyg 1 year ago
What is that word at 5:16? "Luciferously?" That wouldn't fit the context, so I don't think that's it, but I can't figure out what if would be.
AlexanderLee1 1 year ago
@AlexanderLee1 vociferously - crying out noisily; clamorous
normativeRandroid 1 year ago
@normativeRandroid Thanks!
AlexanderLee1 1 year ago
She is exceedingly intelligent, and I agree with her in so many ways, however, her lack of understanding of God is a failure of imagination, and a limitation of knowledge. She is like the wise old caveman saying a mans voice can not be heard 250,000 miles away. A scientist shows her a radio tower that picks up an Astronaut on the moons voice, and plays it on a handheld radio. Her logic tells her, that voice is not coming from a man on the moon, but from the handheld radio.
Brantoc 1 year ago
@Brantoc huh?
capgains 1 year ago
@capgains Do I need to spell it out? Oh, another failure of imagination.
Radio tower is the Bible, the hanset is a preacher or paster, and the voice 250,000 miles away is God.
I thought it was quite simple myself.
Brantoc 1 year ago
@Brantoc oh ok, now i get it but still does not prove god exist. why don't you just say it's just that, part of my imagination. or more like collective imagination.
capgains 1 year ago
@Brantoc Your "understanding of god" is a delusion of your own making. I believed for many years and thought myself rational. With hindsight, it's easy to see the deception.
216trixie 1 year ago
Great ideas and presentation.
AlexanderLee1 1 year ago
Pure brilliance.
ConcernedAmericans 1 year ago
I enjoy Ayn's fresh perspectives, and her refusal to look at the world through anyone else's eyes, but find Rand herself increasingly tiresome. She was brilliant but obnoxious.
032125 1 year ago
God is the magic, the spirit in us all, that we can tap to motivate us. The creator. We are the creators and we are all part of god, the source. I'm not exactly sure if that god or creator is a single sovereign being, or all of us together. I'm not sure it makes much of a difference. Jesus said if you help others, you help him and you help god. That leads me to believe god is in all of us. Spirit. Mindset, or metaphysics, I don't really care. I don't think defining it does it any justice.
Cstrife234 1 year ago
@Cstrife234 Where does Jesus say that "if you help others, you help him and you help god"?
shamgar001 1 year ago
@shamgar001 Proverbs 29:7 "The Righteous are concerned for the rights of the poor; the Wicked do not understand such concern." Proverbs 31:8
"Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy." Matthew 5:42
"Give to him who asks of you and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you."
Psalms 140:12
"I know the LORD will maintain the cause of the afflicted and justice for the poor."
Cstrife234 1 year ago
@shamgar001 Isaiah 10:1-3
"Woe to those who enact evil statutes and to those who continually record unjust decisions so as to deprive the needy of justice and rob the Poor of their rights." Matthew 25:34
"Then the King will say to those on one side...'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, thirsty and give You drink? And when did we see You a stranger and invite you in? '...when you did it to one of these Poor, ... even the least of them, ... you did it to Me.'
Cstrife234 1 year ago
@shamgar001 "They will answer,
'Lord, when did we see You hungry, thirsty, or sick and did not take care of You?'
"Then He will answer,
'...when you did NOT do it to one of these Poor,
...even the least of them,
...you did NOT do it to Me.'
There are statements like this in the old testament too. Obviously if god has commanded you to do good for one another, you're not just doing it for the people, but for him.
Cstrife234 1 year ago
Love that... Ideas matter :)
martinaoe2 1 year ago
@TheConstitutionMan constitutions dont work. quit worshipping magic scrolls that do nothing except damage liberty.
return135 1 year ago
@return135 ...but the more constitution you have, the more hit points you get.
ErikNikolai 1 year ago
The ending was pretty good.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
just when you think serenity in our time is unachievable, crystal clear logic comes to the rescue.
fzqlcs 1 year ago 9
@fzqlcs Well put!
AlexanderLee1 1 year ago