Ive been playing triggered kicks for 10 years now and it only replicates what you are phisically playing its not giving you extra kick hits for free.I wish someone would give their reason for why they think its cheating.And for this style of music you need it as the kicks define the rhythm and they would just be a constant rumble without the definition.Live would be rediculous
All triggers do is take a drum sound at a specific volume and consistently play that exact same sound at the exact same volume through every hit. That's all. They DO NOT make playing faster any easier.
TRIGGERS MAKE PLAYING HARDER! you guys are retarded. think about it. triggers make kick hits louder that if it was just micd. so what does that mean? the crowd hears EVERY single hit. if you mess up a little. people know because the triggers louder than just a mic.
I'm tired of people hating on triggers when they have no idea what they are talking about. Sure, some may use them to compensate for their weak ass hits, but it's not like a trigger can correct you from going off time or having a case of popcorn feet. The drummer still has to have the skill and speed to hold on to a fast foot roll like that for extended periods of time without fucking up. Triggers are no different than a guitarist using some sort of pedal to alter their sound.
@LHondrums Exactly, glad someone understands that. I hate Slipknot, but I don't hate them as musicians. Of course there are MUCH better in metal, he doesn't "suck" though.
triggers or no triggers you still need to play clean i play with triggers i use the Ekit’s on my Axis and it showed how sloppy i was that’s all he is playing on Axis and using Ekit's and he is clean on his double bass playing triggers don’t make you faster it's all about the drummer behind the drum set not the triggers
@punkrockdrummer1990 Look up Jordan Mancino or George Kollias, both of them almost never use triggers. In fact, George Kollias is probably one of the fastest double bass drummers in the world yet in all of his instructional videos he isn't using triggers, he is just fucking fast as hell. If you are going to say something about music you clearly don't listen to, then just shut the fuck up and take a look at george.
@AntonioDavidPickett george uses triggers he uses axis triggers their almost invisible they are attached to the front of his pedals and you cant see them
@AntonioDavidPickett He uses the Axis E-Kits which attach to the pedal and are triggered by tiny mallets. Check what the man had to say about Triggers;
".If you go for high speeds then your band will not be able to listen every little thing you do,not being able to follow you.This is why i use triggers."
"If you ask me,i say triggers are MUCH more difficult to go with."
@punkrockdrummer1990 you are seriously the stupidest person i have ever seen on a youtube page. you know nothing about triggers or the drums for that matter. i am a metal drummer and i use triggers and it is by no means cheating. when it comes to the "swing" of a bassdrum pedal it doesn't matter how hard you hit them its about the tension of your springs and knowing your equipment and just how hard to hit
I don't get the negativity regarding his triggers...you can hear the actual bass drums in the camera mic...there's no denying that he's actually playing really well. I went to their show in Maine, and if he didn't have triggers, you wouldn't have been able to enjoy the songs because the double bass would have been lost in the shitty sound system's mix.
Wow this punk drummer dude is a douche. I never look into comments but everything that's said is uneducated shit. Really, what rooms do u have to talk? And Dave lombardo never gets credit? Dude, check ur sources. Shannon is a bad motherfucker. Rarely misses a single beat. The guy is a machine.
@ImmortalSpammer axis longboards are the shit. got to play some before and its like the pedals want to go fast. theyre expensive though, which is why i dont have them myself lol =/
some of the best drummers in the world use triggers it isn't cheating (somewhat). watch george kollias at a certain drum clinic vid and him and derek roddy both tell you that when your beater head is not coming all the way back, when you don't play with power you are not playing or doing some real drumming. it dose not mean you can't play fast it just means you are not playing fast with power.
triggers are used for amplification when it comes to power. you can still move your feet fast but you are not hitting the bass drum with as much power. when you don't have triggers and the beater head barely moves from the base drum it sounds like a slap. where as with a trigger that same movement sounds like a fuckin cannon. in this vid though you can clearly see lucas beater head coming all the way back. he is hitting with power but in a live setting it won't be heard without some sort of amp.
@punkrockdrummer1990 triggers are only there to make it sound better. it does not help a drummer at all. triggers for a bass drum is like an amp for a guitar, its only there so you can hear it, and possibly even make it sound better, not to "cheat" and make it easier
@nini073210 hey dude let me explain you a little so you can understand a little okei , if you play very fast in the pedals and the beater is so fast that it doesnt hit the bass drum head well it obviously will not be hear but with the triggers only touch the bass drum head and it will sound like nothing so is cheating , example Inferno from Behemoth , search that guy and watch calmly his beaters while he is playing super fast in the Slaves Shall Serve,hope that you can understand a little dude
@nini073210 I'd say sound better is an overstatement, some triggers can sound like total shit if not set up right. Imo, in this genre it's important to have a defined and consistent sounding kick drum, especially at the tempos they play at and that's more or less why they use the triggers. Not to make the kick sound better.
@nini073210 shannons a beast u can tell he has the power and the technique...but u just explained exactly how some drummers use them to cheat, u heat the nail on the head when u say they amplify the bass, but wldnt tht mean all u wld have to do is basically use the tips of ur foot instead of moving ur whole foot and or leg. and if u need a trigger so u can hear a BASS DRUM u obviously dont have enough leg strength at tht speed. its a DRUM.....hit it hard enough and ull hear it, stop being wimpy
@xjackw13x Being wimpy doesn't have anything to do with it. At least not for Shannon. It's just to make it as loud as it needs to be compared to the other instruments.
@nini073210 correction amature.....what triggers do is help the sound get picked up better. a trigger picks up each hit and sends it to a brain of an electronic drum set, so you can hear each hit of the kick drum. People can use them to "cheat" because you can turn off the sensitivity, so they can go blistering fast without even doing much, and the trigger will pick up everything to make you sound faster than you really are. Shanon Lucas uses them to enhance the volume of the kicks. He is real
@KevinFuxurMOM1993 "and the trigger will pick up everything to make you sound faster than you really are." Yeah, no. You shouldn't be calling anyone an "amature" relating to triggers with a statement like that.
@adam1ooo The majority sadly is ... if its not the triggers helping its the pedals... then the module. People are afraid to admit that they themselves are just bad at drumming, and instead of judging themselves, they search for something they can blame. This principle is applicable to almost everything in life btw :D
Triggers make you not have to hit the bassdrum as hard because it's always teh same volume sample (if you apply no dynamics), that makes it easier to make high tempo's sound good imo. However, because the sound is so clear, every mistake in timing is also more easily heard. So it makes it easier and harder at the same time :)
In the end, it's simply to make high tempo's sound good and to be independant of crappy soundmen.
@nini073210 I get what you mean, but I would think of them more as pickups for drums, because it take the striking force of the drummer and sends it to the audio system as electronic signals, but that's just me.
idc who you are, shannon plays everything with power and conviction. you think you can't have power at that speed? george kollias is faster and hits harder.
regular bass drums and bass drums with triggers are no different besides a more crisp sound with trippers. The difficulty level is the same. Good luck getting your regular bass drum out there with distortion and screaming.
Then I honesty don't get how triggers are cheating. The sound may not be natural but you're still hitting the bass drum for what is probably a clearer sound.
By controlling your dynamics, you sound better than you actually are. Take for example the bass fill at 4:23 in angel of death. That is lombardo's real bass drum sound, and you can hear the power behind every stroke. That takes a lot of skill. Nowadays, anyone can come and play it without power but with triggers, and have it sound amazing. It still takes worldy skill to play those 16ths at 250bpm, but it takes even more skill to play them powerfully like the old drum gods, IMHO.
Any drummer will tell you that the softer you go the faster you can play, because the stick is in the air for less time. The trade off comes in power, the notes you play often sound wimpy, especially on toms and snares. Triggers counter act this by replacing the real sound with a more powerful one, letting you have your cake and eat it to. Whether this is good or bad is the debate behind triggers. It also controls your dynamics, one of the hardest things with drumming.
But you have to consider the fact that it amplifies your sound, that is the problem I have with triggers. Some examples:
Let's say I want to play 32nd note quads at 180. That is a pretty daunting task for anyone. I can just twitch my feet with very sensitive, responsive pedals to acheive this. The peals only come a few inches off the head, and they sound like ghost notes. Triggers turn these quick qhost notes into beastly sounding quads.
@ABBIB666 Well, I'll admit I'm not too knowledged on triggers but from my understanding, triggers make it so the mallet hits twice where it would only hit once. Maybe I'm wrong and I was misinformed but that's what I was told.
Triggers replace the sound that a mic would pick up with a computer generated sample. THAT IS ALL. you could have a kickass chihuahua kick sound if you really wanted, so long as your kicks TRIGGER the sound through the sampler.
@royariyosirami cus hitting a bass drum at high speeds is harder when theres more air to move,....but it isnt the bass drum making the sound its a trigger so when he is hitting at high speeds he dosnt have to play the kick properly he can just tap them... if he did that without triggers you wouldnt be able to hear he was playing, an if you took all that shit out of the kick supporting the head he wouldnt be able to hit half as fast either,...its a shame drumming is changing into this...>.>
@punkrockdrummer1990 No dip shit, it would just be quieter than pounding the head...Note drummers who played at similar tempos with their feet, but just used mics...The sound quality was similar it's just a sound format more than anything, drummer's want the sound of the bass drum to compliment the guitar riffs. Early Slipknot and most grindcore from the nineties managed to create some mental fast bass sounds, untriggered. Triggering is now a modern sound production choice, not an easy way out.
@jackfish1990 if you take the time to read what i have put you will find that everything i have said is true,....all this fast double bass is just soooo lame, lol some extreme drummers practically buzz roll a head tighter than joan collin's forehead, they hook up triggers an it sounds like rolling thunder,...i understand its essential in the genre, but thats why dave lombardo dosnt get anough credit cus he does all this shit by himself, no help no "cheats", sure its a little slower but its him,.
@FastHands1504 its funny when metal drummers cover up major floors in how they do things, you would think they would be proud of what they do rather than just try an brush it under the carpet
@punkrockdrummer1990 Bro... you know whats funny, you shouldn't even be on this page. It says punkrock drummer, You get the fuck off this page and go back and do some travis barker covers.
No ones brushing anything under the carpet... Type in "Shannon Lucas drum clinic" it shows how he warms up his feet and how much power he uses, go fuck yourself and die in a hole you cunt sore.
@punkrockdrummer1990 'floors'? Carpets cover that. You mean 'flaws'. Deary me. You have no idea what drum tech does, or how to spell. I suggest purchasing a functioning brain. It may just help you later in life!
@punkrockdrummer1990 No dip shit, it would just be quieter than pounding the head...Note drummers who played at similar tempos with their feet, but just used mics...The sound quality was similar it's just a sound format more than anything, drummer's want the sound of the bass drum to compliment the guitar riffs. Early Slipknot and most grindcore from the nineties managed to create some mental fast bass sounds, untriggered. Triggering is now a modern sound production choice, not an easy way out.
@punkrockdrummer1990 at what point is shannon "tapping" his bassdrums? and let me tell you this, if you were to "tap" the bassdrums in such speeds it would get incredibly sloppy. Cause if you would tap them you woulden't have enough swing on the beater to remain in control. and let's be honest shannon is tight as your virgin ass, excuse my expression.
@punkrockdrummer1990 sir , you are a dumbass... Triggers don't make you play faster or make it so u can play improperly , it makes the bass drum audible.. lets say your playing a gig.. do you think people are going to hear your puny fucking bass drum over the crowds of thousands and the blazing sounds of the guitarist and the vocalist AND your bassist and whatever else you got out there?
reality is , drum triggers are VERY common in even people who DONT play fast , learn some facts kid
@ReaperofLight00 Half the speed? Wtf are you talking about? You play as if there were no triggers when using triggers.. It's the same thing.. just a different sound.
For you who thinks this guy doesnt hit his bassdrums hard;
he uses ankle motion, with a HELL OF MANY YEARS of practice behind it.
I dont find the clip now, but i saw some clip with TBDM where he played with standard bassdrums mics. So people who think triggers do the work, fuck off. Shannon could play without triggers, like dave lombardo!
Shut up about triggers you fucking rookies. It's not for more power, it's because several black dahlia songs exeed the 250 mark and you would lose seperation. No one plays above 250 without triggers without there bass drum sounding shit.
@FFNProductions A trigger is placed in contact with the head of the drum and senses reverberation,so that every time the head is struck,it triggers a sample from a seperate drum module. Contrary to popular belief this actually means that cleaner playing is neccessary as the responsiveness of the triggers will make any mistakes very audible. When playing at high tempos a bass drum head cannot recover from each hit quick enough to produce a good sound and so triggers help to add clarity.
@FFNProductions nah, one hit for one. once you exceed about 250 bpm a drum head does not have time to recover between each hit and so you get a muffled shit sound. a trigger simply produces a strong sound every time you strike the drum and so even at high tempos you still have clarity and power.
@hollowuzi4life honestly dude, anyone who can replicate Vitek almost 100% deserves some fucking credit, even if he is covering every song...and he really hasn't had a chance to write any tracks because Decapitated hasn't put out a new album since Vitek died
Shannon Lucas is at the top of the pyramid when it comes to metal drumming. This guy is a beastly machine of a man. Good luck ever trying to be this good, get ready for 10 years of eating,breathing, and sleeping blast beats and insane bpm double kick to even get 1/4 this good
@tman1756 the people who say triggers are cheating either haven't used them or are stupid enough to follow a bunch of ignorant drummers in saying a bunch of nonsense when they clearly haven't looked into them.
@tman1756 yeah, it's like saying that guitar effects make you play guitar faster.. it makes no sense. all it does is change the tone to provide clarity for when the drummer DOES play faster.
Is he using a Trick pedal???? Those fuckers are $325 a piece just for a single kick. Double kick is $740. Omfg they're so worth it tho. Smoothest pedal i've ever laid my foot on.
and the only reason why his beaters come back is because he has them down as far as they go, drummers usually have them up like i prefer mine halfway, but when ppl have them up more it looks like they r only half hitting it but they rnt,
shannon lucas is a beast on those kicks man but i prefer George Kollias for technical shit but shannon is my fave drumma of all time and my fave band tbdm rock on fuckers!! tbdm owns ur mums vagina
this is why shannon lucas is one of my favorite drummers. atleast he brings his beater back, some death metal drummers just tap on the bass drum when it comes to fast double bass. beat the shit out of the bass drums for once. shannon lucas is the man.
FUCK gjla17. You're an absolute dick for ever saying something like that about Dave Lombardo or Slayer. If it weren't for those dudes YOU haven't have half the shit out today. You stupid mother fucker.
Dave Lombardo doesnt trigger his drums! if you see Slayer live the bass drums beat the shit out of you on the inside. his bass drums are big and he uses really good mics
@KHfan4ever23 shannon plays so fast he hasto use triggers to sound clear...if he didn't the acoustics would dround out the sound and it would sound sloppy. i think paul bostaph might of used triggers at one point....or he just e.q. his set really well.
@KHfan4ever23 the problem with not using triggers in death metal though is the strokes don't have enough attack. It just becomes a wash. Triggers shouldn't be used to cover up poor technique/lack of power. Just to add different sound and more definition.
Could someone please answer this? What ride cymbal does shannon use? I really like the bell.
TheProphetOfWrath 2 weeks ago
@TheProphetOfWrath I'm pretty sure it's the Sabian HH 22" Power Bell Ride.
IMAPEEONYOUMAN 5 days ago
Ive been playing triggered kicks for 10 years now and it only replicates what you are phisically playing its not giving you extra kick hits for free.I wish someone would give their reason for why they think its cheating.And for this style of music you need it as the kicks define the rhythm and they would just be a constant rumble without the definition.Live would be rediculous
TheCorpse1978 3 weeks ago
All triggers do is take a drum sound at a specific volume and consistently play that exact same sound at the exact same volume through every hit. That's all. They DO NOT make playing faster any easier.
fretrippa 4 weeks ago
TRIGGERS MAKE PLAYING HARDER! you guys are retarded. think about it. triggers make kick hits louder that if it was just micd. so what does that mean? the crowd hears EVERY single hit. if you mess up a little. people know because the triggers louder than just a mic.
improfessoradam 1 month ago
I'm tired of people hating on triggers when they have no idea what they are talking about. Sure, some may use them to compensate for their weak ass hits, but it's not like a trigger can correct you from going off time or having a case of popcorn feet. The drummer still has to have the skill and speed to hold on to a fast foot roll like that for extended periods of time without fucking up. Triggers are no different than a guitarist using some sort of pedal to alter their sound.
NauseatingGrief 1 month ago
what a monster
rgchingy 4 months ago
whats the song at 6:00... im dyin to know help a guy out!
MrMinidildo 4 months ago
@MrMinidildo Don't know if anyone answered yet, it is "closed casket requiem". Its an older song.
jthompson19 4 months ago
@MrMinidildo Closed Casket Requiem, off of their first full length Unhallowed. It's also the second song that plays in this, like 20 seconds in :P
savemypecanpie 3 months ago
6:15 *Shannon trollface* ahah
TheBerzerk93 4 months ago
joey jordison does not suck. shannon lucas rules.
LHondrums 4 months ago
@LHondrums Exactly, glad someone understands that. I hate Slipknot, but I don't hate them as musicians. Of course there are MUCH better in metal, he doesn't "suck" though.
Ryu12543 2 months ago
joey jordison sucks shanoon lucas rules
1369rockstar 5 months ago
triggers or no triggers you still need to play clean i play with triggers i use the Ekit’s on my Axis and it showed how sloppy i was that’s all he is playing on Axis and using Ekit's and he is clean on his double bass playing triggers don’t make you faster it's all about the drummer behind the drum set not the triggers
XxvesperianxX88 5 months ago
What's the name of the second song?
Bagsacx 5 months ago
@Bagsacx Miasma
satanichell27 5 months ago
@Bagsacx
Closed Casket Reqiuem. If your talkin about the song at :15
Awhiteman1000 5 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 Look up Jordan Mancino or George Kollias, both of them almost never use triggers. In fact, George Kollias is probably one of the fastest double bass drummers in the world yet in all of his instructional videos he isn't using triggers, he is just fucking fast as hell. If you are going to say something about music you clearly don't listen to, then just shut the fuck up and take a look at george.
AntonioDavidPickett 5 months ago
@AntonioDavidPickett Actually, I think George uses triggers. Still, this doesn't take away the fact that his bass drum hits are hard as hell
YouNoob93 5 months ago
@AntonioDavidPickett george uses triggers he uses axis triggers their almost invisible they are attached to the front of his pedals and you cant see them
Tylerthemetalking 5 months ago
@AntonioDavidPickett He uses the Axis E-Kits which attach to the pedal and are triggered by tiny mallets. Check what the man had to say about Triggers;
".If you go for high speeds then your band will not be able to listen every little thing you do,not being able to follow you.This is why i use triggers."
"If you ask me,i say triggers are MUCH more difficult to go with."
Here; wwwDOTgeorgekolliasDOTcom/forum/showpostDOTphp?p=10166&postcount=2
p0esbek 5 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 i have my pedals set so there is minimal pedal movement with maximum "swing" of the beater and power to the head. dumbass.
MrFlyingbatwing888 6 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 you are seriously the stupidest person i have ever seen on a youtube page. you know nothing about triggers or the drums for that matter. i am a metal drummer and i use triggers and it is by no means cheating. when it comes to the "swing" of a bassdrum pedal it doesn't matter how hard you hit them its about the tension of your springs and knowing your equipment and just how hard to hit
MrFlyingbatwing888 6 months ago
Triggers are to drums what pickups are to electric guitars. Both crucial in certain types of music.
LordAbrxias 6 months ago
There sure is a lot of butthurt paragraphs of anger in these comments.
MasterOfRanger 6 months ago
I don't get the negativity regarding his triggers...you can hear the actual bass drums in the camera mic...there's no denying that he's actually playing really well. I went to their show in Maine, and if he didn't have triggers, you wouldn't have been able to enjoy the songs because the double bass would have been lost in the shitty sound system's mix.
gogglefaceful 6 months ago
Fuck anyone denying it, one foot blasts right there !
joer51 6 months ago 2
Wow this punk drummer dude is a douche. I never look into comments but everything that's said is uneducated shit. Really, what rooms do u have to talk? And Dave lombardo never gets credit? Dude, check ur sources. Shannon is a bad motherfucker. Rarely misses a single beat. The guy is a machine.
gtsofthedead214 7 months ago
i totally agree.it takes great skill to play like them
SPUN209 7 months ago
those axis pedals look very easy to go at high speeds. i gotta buy some
ImmortalSpammer 8 months ago
@ImmortalSpammer axis longboards are the shit. got to play some before and its like the pedals want to go fast. theyre expensive though, which is why i dont have them myself lol =/
metallicarulz554 7 months ago
some of the best drummers in the world use triggers it isn't cheating (somewhat). watch george kollias at a certain drum clinic vid and him and derek roddy both tell you that when your beater head is not coming all the way back, when you don't play with power you are not playing or doing some real drumming. it dose not mean you can't play fast it just means you are not playing fast with power.
dahliaslayer 9 months ago
triggers are used for amplification when it comes to power. you can still move your feet fast but you are not hitting the bass drum with as much power. when you don't have triggers and the beater head barely moves from the base drum it sounds like a slap. where as with a trigger that same movement sounds like a fuckin cannon. in this vid though you can clearly see lucas beater head coming all the way back. he is hitting with power but in a live setting it won't be heard without some sort of amp.
dahliaslayer 9 months ago
Oh man, the trigger discussion...
gaseabra 9 months ago
Aww Closed Casket Requiem ♥ Such a lovely song ^^
elrevelde04 9 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 triggers are only there to make it sound better. it does not help a drummer at all. triggers for a bass drum is like an amp for a guitar, its only there so you can hear it, and possibly even make it sound better, not to "cheat" and make it easier
nini073210 10 months ago 45
@nini073210 hey dude let me explain you a little so you can understand a little okei , if you play very fast in the pedals and the beater is so fast that it doesnt hit the bass drum head well it obviously will not be hear but with the triggers only touch the bass drum head and it will sound like nothing so is cheating , example Inferno from Behemoth , search that guy and watch calmly his beaters while he is playing super fast in the Slaves Shall Serve,hope that you can understand a little dude
vagBehemoth 9 months ago
@nini073210 or faster^^
WorseFuneral 9 months ago
@nini073210 I'd say sound better is an overstatement, some triggers can sound like total shit if not set up right. Imo, in this genre it's important to have a defined and consistent sounding kick drum, especially at the tempos they play at and that's more or less why they use the triggers. Not to make the kick sound better.
NosferatuOfWorms 8 months ago
@nini073210 shannons a beast u can tell he has the power and the technique...but u just explained exactly how some drummers use them to cheat, u heat the nail on the head when u say they amplify the bass, but wldnt tht mean all u wld have to do is basically use the tips of ur foot instead of moving ur whole foot and or leg. and if u need a trigger so u can hear a BASS DRUM u obviously dont have enough leg strength at tht speed. its a DRUM.....hit it hard enough and ull hear it, stop being wimpy
xjackw13x 8 months ago
@xjackw13x Being wimpy doesn't have anything to do with it. At least not for Shannon. It's just to make it as loud as it needs to be compared to the other instruments.
Iceman3524 7 months ago
@nini073210 correction amature.....what triggers do is help the sound get picked up better. a trigger picks up each hit and sends it to a brain of an electronic drum set, so you can hear each hit of the kick drum. People can use them to "cheat" because you can turn off the sensitivity, so they can go blistering fast without even doing much, and the trigger will pick up everything to make you sound faster than you really are. Shanon Lucas uses them to enhance the volume of the kicks. He is real
KevinFuxurMOM1993 4 months ago
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@KevinFuxurMOM1993 "and the trigger will pick up everything to make you sound faster than you really are." Yeah, no. You shouldn't be calling anyone an "amature" relating to triggers with a statement like that.
AspiringRocker729 3 months ago
@nini073210 I find it hilarious when people think trggers help the drummer...thank god not everyone on the planet is retarded.
adam1ooo 4 months ago
@adam1ooo The majority sadly is ... if its not the triggers helping its the pedals... then the module. People are afraid to admit that they themselves are just bad at drumming, and instead of judging themselves, they search for something they can blame. This principle is applicable to almost everything in life btw :D
777EZekiel 3 months ago
@nini073210
Triggers make you not have to hit the bassdrum as hard because it's always teh same volume sample (if you apply no dynamics), that makes it easier to make high tempo's sound good imo. However, because the sound is so clear, every mistake in timing is also more easily heard. So it makes it easier and harder at the same time :)
In the end, it's simply to make high tempo's sound good and to be independant of crappy soundmen.
SinisterSkip 3 months ago
@nini073210 I get what you mean, but I would think of them more as pickups for drums, because it take the striking force of the drummer and sends it to the audio system as electronic signals, but that's just me.
mrxsneakyxsim 1 month ago
punkdrummer1990- ULTIMATE TROLLAGE.
1994SHOtime 10 months ago
What bass drum heads does he use?
petersavonich123 10 months ago
I want to cum in his bass drum.
sluggr 10 months ago
idc who you are, shannon plays everything with power and conviction. you think you can't have power at that speed? george kollias is faster and hits harder.
dethmetalderique 10 months ago
Why isn't he using his e-kits?
FractureTheBand 11 months ago
@FractureTheBand maybe he dont like em?
xXAlecXxC 11 months ago
regular bass drums and bass drums with triggers are no different besides a more crisp sound with trippers. The difficulty level is the same. Good luck getting your regular bass drum out there with distortion and screaming.
sluggr 11 months ago
@sluggr triggers*
sluggr 11 months ago
Then I honesty don't get how triggers are cheating. The sound may not be natural but you're still hitting the bass drum for what is probably a clearer sound.
ReaperofLight00 11 months ago
how the f*ck do you dislike this. Shannon is a machine
jasonssssssable 11 months ago
I've been trying to get I'm Charming down for ages now. I can hear that solo at 1:19 perfectly, thank you! =D
Gzorz 11 months ago
By controlling your dynamics, you sound better than you actually are. Take for example the bass fill at 4:23 in angel of death. That is lombardo's real bass drum sound, and you can hear the power behind every stroke. That takes a lot of skill. Nowadays, anyone can come and play it without power but with triggers, and have it sound amazing. It still takes worldy skill to play those 16ths at 250bpm, but it takes even more skill to play them powerfully like the old drum gods, IMHO.
AlexeiDmitri 11 months ago
Any drummer will tell you that the softer you go the faster you can play, because the stick is in the air for less time. The trade off comes in power, the notes you play often sound wimpy, especially on toms and snares. Triggers counter act this by replacing the real sound with a more powerful one, letting you have your cake and eat it to. Whether this is good or bad is the debate behind triggers. It also controls your dynamics, one of the hardest things with drumming.
AlexeiDmitri 11 months ago
But you have to consider the fact that it amplifies your sound, that is the problem I have with triggers. Some examples:
Let's say I want to play 32nd note quads at 180. That is a pretty daunting task for anyone. I can just twitch my feet with very sensitive, responsive pedals to acheive this. The peals only come a few inches off the head, and they sound like ghost notes. Triggers turn these quick qhost notes into beastly sounding quads.
AlexeiDmitri 11 months ago
@ABBIB666 Well, I'll admit I'm not too knowledged on triggers but from my understanding, triggers make it so the mallet hits twice where it would only hit once. Maybe I'm wrong and I was misinformed but that's what I was told.
ReaperofLight00 11 months ago
@ReaperofLight00
oh, how misinformed you are.
Triggers replace the sound that a mic would pick up with a computer generated sample. THAT IS ALL. you could have a kickass chihuahua kick sound if you really wanted, so long as your kicks TRIGGER the sound through the sampler.
deftonesordie 11 months ago
is his bass drum inside full of blankets? ><
royariyosirami 11 months ago
@royariyosirami cus hitting a bass drum at high speeds is harder when theres more air to move,....but it isnt the bass drum making the sound its a trigger so when he is hitting at high speeds he dosnt have to play the kick properly he can just tap them... if he did that without triggers you wouldnt be able to hear he was playing, an if you took all that shit out of the kick supporting the head he wouldnt be able to hit half as fast either,...its a shame drumming is changing into this...>.>
punkrockdrummer1990 11 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 No dip shit, it would just be quieter than pounding the head...Note drummers who played at similar tempos with their feet, but just used mics...The sound quality was similar it's just a sound format more than anything, drummer's want the sound of the bass drum to compliment the guitar riffs. Early Slipknot and most grindcore from the nineties managed to create some mental fast bass sounds, untriggered. Triggering is now a modern sound production choice, not an easy way out.
jackfish1990 11 months ago
@jackfish1990 if you take the time to read what i have put you will find that everything i have said is true,....all this fast double bass is just soooo lame, lol some extreme drummers practically buzz roll a head tighter than joan collin's forehead, they hook up triggers an it sounds like rolling thunder,...i understand its essential in the genre, but thats why dave lombardo dosnt get anough credit cus he does all this shit by himself, no help no "cheats", sure its a little slower but its him,.
punkrockdrummer1990 11 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 Dont talk.... Everything you've said isnt true. You are not valued here, Leave and never return.
FastHands1504 11 months ago
@FastHands1504 its funny when metal drummers cover up major floors in how they do things, you would think they would be proud of what they do rather than just try an brush it under the carpet
punkrockdrummer1990 11 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 Bro... you know whats funny, you shouldn't even be on this page. It says punkrock drummer, You get the fuck off this page and go back and do some travis barker covers.
No ones brushing anything under the carpet... Type in "Shannon Lucas drum clinic" it shows how he warms up his feet and how much power he uses, go fuck yourself and die in a hole you cunt sore.
FastHands1504 10 months ago 27
@punkrockdrummer1990 We don't do that. you must be thinking of your fellow punk drummers
xdoseonex 10 months ago
@xdoseonex omg lol,....i gotta get round to changing that user name,...made it when i was 13 an loved nofx,....im now 20 i think they are pritty lame
punkrockdrummer1990 10 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 'floors'? Carpets cover that. You mean 'flaws'. Deary me. You have no idea what drum tech does, or how to spell. I suggest purchasing a functioning brain. It may just help you later in life!
Maarkaald 8 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990
Trollin is a art
wickedwomp 6 months ago
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@punkrockdrummer1990 No dip shit, it would just be quieter than pounding the head...Note drummers who played at similar tempos with their feet, but just used mics...The sound quality was similar it's just a sound format more than anything, drummer's want the sound of the bass drum to compliment the guitar riffs. Early Slipknot and most grindcore from the nineties managed to create some mental fast bass sounds, untriggered. Triggering is now a modern sound production choice, not an easy way out.
jackfish1990 11 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 You=Shit to quote Slipknot
zoraliciousful 8 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 at what point is shannon "tapping" his bassdrums? and let me tell you this, if you were to "tap" the bassdrums in such speeds it would get incredibly sloppy. Cause if you would tap them you woulden't have enough swing on the beater to remain in control. and let's be honest shannon is tight as your virgin ass, excuse my expression.
nonhasthisusername 7 months ago
@punkrockdrummer1990 sir , you are a dumbass... Triggers don't make you play faster or make it so u can play improperly , it makes the bass drum audible.. lets say your playing a gig.. do you think people are going to hear your puny fucking bass drum over the crowds of thousands and the blazing sounds of the guitarist and the vocalist AND your bassist and whatever else you got out there?
reality is , drum triggers are VERY common in even people who DONT play fast , learn some facts kid
Gl4nG3R 6 months ago
@tman1756 This is true but triggers would make it so you only have to play half the speed that the pedal is doing.
ReaperofLight00 11 months ago
@ReaperofLight00 Half the speed? Wtf are you talking about? You play as if there were no triggers when using triggers.. It's the same thing.. just a different sound.
ABBIB666 11 months ago
axis with e-kit trigger yes,cheat tag.
almost people is able to play fastest blast beat drumming with axis and e-kit.
i can play 260-270bpm 16th notes double bass drumming with axis too.
dw9071 11 months ago
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dw9071 11 months ago
about 4:20 its brutality itself :D incredible work
drumfisch 1 year ago
For you who thinks this guy doesnt hit his bassdrums hard;
he uses ankle motion, with a HELL OF MANY YEARS of practice behind it.
I dont find the clip now, but i saw some clip with TBDM where he played with standard bassdrums mics. So people who think triggers do the work, fuck off. Shannon could play without triggers, like dave lombardo!
sebbimon 1 year ago
Shut up about triggers you fucking rookies. It's not for more power, it's because several black dahlia songs exeed the 250 mark and you would lose seperation. No one plays above 250 without triggers without there bass drum sounding shit.
nailedurmum01 1 year ago
@nailedurmum01 Explain what a trigger is to me? I've been wondering for a while now:/
PS: I'm a guitarist, so I don't know anything about drums really.
FFNProductions 1 year ago
@FFNProductions A trigger is placed in contact with the head of the drum and senses reverberation,so that every time the head is struck,it triggers a sample from a seperate drum module. Contrary to popular belief this actually means that cleaner playing is neccessary as the responsiveness of the triggers will make any mistakes very audible. When playing at high tempos a bass drum head cannot recover from each hit quick enough to produce a good sound and so triggers help to add clarity.
nailedurmum01 1 year ago
@nailedurmum01 So it basically gives to hits for one?
FFNProductions 1 year ago
@FFNProductions nah, one hit for one. once you exceed about 250 bpm a drum head does not have time to recover between each hit and so you get a muffled shit sound. a trigger simply produces a strong sound every time you strike the drum and so even at high tempos you still have clarity and power.
nailedurmum01 1 year ago
@nailedurmum01 I see.
How does a sample give clarity to the kick though?
FFNProductions 1 year ago
@FFNProductions because every time you hit the bass drum you get a sample of a nice clear powerfull bass drum strike.
nailedurmum01 1 year ago
@nailedurmum01 OH!
So why not just you electronic bass instead?
FFNProductions 1 year ago
@FFNProductions I'm guessing to still have the natural bounce/feel of a real drum head?
FFNProductions 1 year ago
@FFNProductions nice to have a bit of acoustic sound mixed in there aswell, and it looks better on stage
nailedurmum01 1 year ago
I really Like the 4.15! I wana be like they.
joeyjunior111 1 year ago
even the famous guys use blankets in the bass drum xD jjeje
sliprok100 1 year ago
what show was this video from?
alexmadsen123 1 year ago
one foot blasting = win
Bostonbird733 1 year ago 2
Look up Krimh Kerim. He OWNS this guy.
Sockmetal 1 year ago
@Sockmetal Krimh is sick (and its nice that he got to decapitated :) ) but I think shannon still kicks his ass
Jakedaelectrican 1 year ago
@Sockmetal Doubt it.
Ryu12543 1 year ago
@Ryu12543 hell yea mee too
hollowuzi4life 1 year ago
@Sockmetal did he write any drum tracks for songs. i dont think so
hollowuzi4life 1 year ago
@hollowuzi4life honestly dude, anyone who can replicate Vitek almost 100% deserves some fucking credit, even if he is covering every song...and he really hasn't had a chance to write any tracks because Decapitated hasn't put out a new album since Vitek died
MoshersRage 1 year ago
@MoshersRage well its a good thing there gettin there music out there i didnt realize hes there new drummer
hollowuzi4life 1 year ago
@Sockmetal No one gives a shit
Grecian92 1 year ago
What model of Axis pedals does he have?
ILikeBlastBeats 1 year ago
what snare is that?
UKrocketeer 1 year ago
@UKrocketeer 5 1/2" x 14" Starclassic copper snare
marduk7298 1 year ago
what is the name of the last song ?????
gabberarndt 1 year ago
@gabberarndt Closed Casket Requiem.
Nameless164 1 year ago
What was the second song?
twilightluvable 1 year ago
@twilightluvable Closed Casket Requiem.
Nameless164 1 year ago
how much are axis pedals??
ballgazer1227 1 year ago
@ballgazer1227 Lots.
Nameless164 1 year ago
god i love misma
callelindberg 1 year ago
Shannon Lucas is at the top of the pyramid when it comes to metal drumming. This guy is a beastly machine of a man. Good luck ever trying to be this good, get ready for 10 years of eating,breathing, and sleeping blast beats and insane bpm double kick to even get 1/4 this good
JohnnyFortune111 1 year ago
@JohnnyFortune111 calling him a man is pushing it, id say spawn of zeus or some shit.
ActionMan153 1 year ago
tama iron cobras are so boss
utubermarc 1 year ago
@utubermarc He uses Axis pedals, he has a Tama Iron Cobra for his hi-hat pedal though.
RoastedColin 1 year ago
3:18 is boss
freewebber 1 year ago
Haha I love Shannon's ride... sounds like a big fucking bell.
EthanAndCodyRulez1 1 year ago
hes fucking amazing
thenewmove1 1 year ago
Why does he have so much filling in his bass drums? does it help with rebound of something?
ILikeBlastBeats 1 year ago
@ILikeBlastBeats I'm guessing it compresses it more and makes the hits more defined.
NosferatuOfWorms 1 year ago
@ILikeBlastBeats yeah and it makes it better for the triggers aswell so they dont mis trig
mkbyrne 1 year ago
wat ride does he use sounds mad
caveman15100 1 year ago
@caveman15100 He uses th sabian hand hammered 22" power bell ride, $419.99 it's worth buyin.
Tylerthemetalking 1 year ago
@Tylerthemetalking is that us dollar
mkbyrne 1 year ago
@mkbyrne Yes it is.
Tylerthemetalking 1 year ago
what song is at 0:20?
noobaxeman 1 year ago
@noobaxeman closed casket requiem
kronikassassin 1 year ago
Shannon kicks fucking donkeynuts YEAHHHHH
SinisterSkip 1 year ago
He uses the same beaters i do, the ones that come on the axis longboards suck ass
savioncurls 1 year ago
@savioncurls where can you get the other beaters?
TheRev182 1 year ago
@TheRev182 ebay, or if your not short on funds guitar center
savioncurls 1 year ago
i wish i could buy his left wrist
tackywacky99 1 year ago 35
@tackywacky99
hey i understand what you mean but the plays more from his knee with the hole leg and hes using a high head tension! but hes a fucking animal! ;)
maikweinhardt 1 year ago
People say triggers are like cheating but u still have to hit the bass drum it doesn't do it for u.
tman1756 1 year ago 20
@tman1756 the people who say triggers are cheating either haven't used them or are stupid enough to follow a bunch of ignorant drummers in saying a bunch of nonsense when they clearly haven't looked into them.
munkeefork69 1 year ago
@tman1756 yeah, it's like saying that guitar effects make you play guitar faster.. it makes no sense. all it does is change the tone to provide clarity for when the drummer DOES play faster.
Mosesfaceee 11 months ago
one of my favourite drummers ever!!!
Metal66671 1 year ago
I'm Charming, Miasma, Closed Casket Requiem are played in this video.
KeiththeTank 1 year ago
he is usin axis pedals Free2Maim
beastyskater123 1 year ago
@beastyskater123 I guess he is. You can tell later on in the video at about 6 min. you can see the spring. Tricks use an internal spring.
They both have straight shaft drives though.
Free2Maim 1 year ago
Is he using a Trick pedal???? Those fuckers are $325 a piece just for a single kick. Double kick is $740. Omfg they're so worth it tho. Smoothest pedal i've ever laid my foot on.
Free2Maim 1 year ago
the man is a fuckin beast!! the whole band is beast...
whitedahlia420 2 years ago 2
and the only reason why his beaters come back is because he has them down as far as they go, drummers usually have them up like i prefer mine halfway, but when ppl have them up more it looks like they r only half hitting it but they rnt,
EliTheGoth777 2 years ago
shannon lucas is a beast on those kicks man but i prefer George Kollias for technical shit but shannon is my fave drumma of all time and my fave band tbdm rock on fuckers!! tbdm owns ur mums vagina
EliTheGoth777 2 years ago 3
this is why shannon lucas is one of my favorite drummers. atleast he brings his beater back, some death metal drummers just tap on the bass drum when it comes to fast double bass. beat the shit out of the bass drums for once. shannon lucas is the man.
mikepercussion 2 years ago
lol the camera guy. just seems like a fan who wondered onto stage. id go straight for the feet too. haha sounds soooo good, great footage!!!
jszekerj 2 years ago 2
Shannons a badass one of my favorite drummers one of my favorite bands. So brutal, and yet so cool. Just a bunch of idiots who love to have fun
clcdrummer13 2 years ago 3
sry wats the name of the first song 0:19-0:46
supermariob4 2 years ago
Closed Casket Requiem
luisramos50 2 years ago 3
whats the name of the second song?
supermariob4 2 years ago
@supermariob4 its miasma off of miasma
cuntpunter35 2 years ago 2
No, it's "I'm Charming" from Miasma.
dr0lle 2 years ago
it's not, it's closed casket requiem
inmemoryofdimebag 1 year ago
@inmemoryofdimebag thx closed casket requiem is a fucking badass song
supermariob4 1 year ago
such a talented band
joaonofear 2 years ago 2
is it triples at 3:00?
YouNoob93 2 years ago
nah they're only doubles
DeathStalker717 2 years ago
Yes
FastHands1504 2 years ago
kind of. its two on the kicks and hands together. almost a quad but with the hands hitting simultaneously.
doublebassaxisdrummr 2 years ago
ya it's triples. I'm pretty sure anyway. I'm certain it's not quads
clcdrummer13 2 years ago
Na, doubles.
kick kick snare, kick kick snare.
TheSpeedoTorpedo 2 years ago
he has such an odd foot style for his kiks lol its fuking works tho!!!!!!!
MrCMURRAY 2 years ago
FUCK gjla17. You're an absolute dick for ever saying something like that about Dave Lombardo or Slayer. If it weren't for those dudes YOU haven't have half the shit out today. You stupid mother fucker.
tjcatalfo 2 years ago
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gjla17 2 years ago
Professional troll. Also who capitalizes every word?
SeizureBassist 2 years ago
Dave Lombardo doesnt trigger his drums! if you see Slayer live the bass drums beat the shit out of you on the inside. his bass drums are big and he uses really good mics
KHfan4ever23 2 years ago 28
@KHfan4ever23 shannon plays so fast he hasto use triggers to sound clear...if he didn't the acoustics would dround out the sound and it would sound sloppy. i think paul bostaph might of used triggers at one point....or he just e.q. his set really well.
TheNoneedforaname 1 year ago
@KHfan4ever23 the problem with not using triggers in death metal though is the strokes don't have enough attack. It just becomes a wash. Triggers shouldn't be used to cover up poor technique/lack of power. Just to add different sound and more definition.
skater15153 1 year ago
@KHfan4ever23 The Black Dahlia Murder eats Slayer for breakfast.
SpayshipxPik 1 year ago 5
@KHfan4ever23
Yea. Dave is pure God. Would say skill, but he's God.
jeleopard 1 year ago
@KHfan4ever23 Even if Shannon uses triggers he still is beast =)
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