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  • no one ever answers this question, what is the point in your life if there is no afterlife? you just appear for a short ammount of time and then dissapear. how sad.

  • @cropies Why is that sad? And incidentally, 80 odd years is a pretty damn long time. The point of your life is the point that you give it. If you choose to live as though your life is pointless, it certainly will be. I don't see why a limited existence should be sad. How else could any moment be precious?

  • @Duckshmm: We are an empathic species. That's how we're programmed. If you choose to focus only on satisfying your personal needs, you're actually neglecting one of the most rewarding experiences in life - which is to stimulate the people around you, and make other people happy.

    I believe you're right that in the end, nothing objectively matters. We're complex machines in a Universe that doesn't care. But here and now, for those of us involved, things _do_ matter. They have a subjective value.

  • whats the point of chosing when in the end its pointless? it would seem a waste of time helping others, when i could be satisfying every personal pleasure given in this life.

    but even that doesnt make me happy. why?

  • @Duckshmm Well,first of all, what do you mean when you say "in the end its pointless"? Care to delineate?

  • @Duckshmm

    I used to struggle with the same concept. If we all die in the end; what is the purpose of anything?

    However you need to stop focusing on the end result of things. I think even focusing on what your purpose is, is a bit negative; it implies your existence is just here for some sort of material benefit.

    I've personally just found it more positive to focusing on living life as it comes... and striving to enjoy it. Does it matter? It matters to me, now. That's better than it was.

  • @Duckshmm death's not the end my friend. And no I'm not a religious nut :)

  • what hopeless life he leads....

    wait is it okay with Richard Dawkins for me to choose a life of faith in God? And am I allowed by him to choose a life in which I help spread the gospel?

    It should be okay with him right? I mean its MY free will to choose what I want. Im just practicing an "alternative lifestyle" from him.

    Good!

  • @BrokHomz

    You're allowed to do that, you're also allowed to be a worthless drug addict. Dawkins would not approve of either for obvious reasons, but you're still allowed to do it.

  • @Saphothere

    well why doesn't he speak out against that? why pick on us?

    what's his issue?

    He's not very tolerant.

  • @BrokHomz

    It's not taboo to speak out against drug abuse, it's bad and everyone knows it. Religion is different, you're not supposed to speak out against it. Why pick on religion? Why tolerate it? It opposes all reason and scientific understanding, that my friend, is a recipe for disaster, and it has proven itself to be just that time and time again. He is not very tolerant of religion, he shouldn't be.

  • @Saphothere

    dont you see the irony in your reasoning? he shouldn't be tolerant with religion? I thought the reason why you want to get rid of religion is because of intolerance. Where am I wrong?

    Time and time again, we have seen countries abolish belief in God. And what happens? They start worshiping the state. Look at communist Russia look at Nazi Germany. That is what happens when a country no longer fears God. That is a recipe for disaster.

  • @BrokHomz

    So you're saying we should tolerate rapists and murderers? There are some things that shouldn't be tolerated, religion is definitely one of them. Religion does not only show intolerance towards certain things, but it shows violence and ignorant bigotry towards those same things.

    I don't fear God, I want to be a Nazi and a communist. That makes sense. Less pirates in the world also equals global warming. Look out, Sweden is about to form a corrupt political party.

  • @Saphothere

    when did I say we should tolerate rapists and murderers? Usually the argument against religion is that they are intolerant and therefore dangerous. But if you take the side that religion has to be "destroyed", who is the bigoted violent one?

    And besides, who are you to say murdering and raping is wrong? What gives you the moral authority and the moral idea that either thing is wrong. I can go back to the 10 commandments, what do you have?

    You WANT to be a Nazi/Communist?

  • @BrokHomz

    Yes, that is my game plan, I will hate and kill every religious person to get rid of religion. Screw trying to use reason and civil discourse. (sarcasm)

    What do I have? I have a brain. Murder destroys life, it's apparent that we are meant to create and sustain life as best we can. Murder is wrong. Rape obviously has a negative effect on life, that which we are meant to create and sustain, something we as living, thinking, beings should intrinsically value.

    Sarcasm.

  • @Saphothere

    Great so your pro-life then, I'm assuming! :D

  • @BrokHomz

    Pro-life, probably not the same pro-life you are thinking about. Abortion and stem cell research are ok with me. Life worth preserving should be preserved. A few cells sacrificed for a living, thinking, feeling human being is good.

  • @Saphothere

    wait, what?!

    So your only on the side of life, if it benefits you?

    I guess having a baby can be inconvenient for some people, your right they should just kill human life for that. Murder for the better good, right?

  • @BrokHomz

    Obviously, I don't think it's murder. Key words: LIVING, THINKING, FEELING human being. It doesn't benefit the fetus, by killing it, but it's a small loss, lesser than that of scratching your nose and the millions of skin cells dieing. That's a greater loss by a factor of a several thousand.

    If your right, abortion or stem cell research is murder. Then you commit genocide everyday.

  • @Saphothere

    skin cells on my nose don't have the potential to become a full grown human being.

    And if your about life so much, why wouldn't you give the fetus the benefit of the doubt?

    It's like, your okay with murder...only if it fits your belief system.

  • @BrokHomz

    Yes, they do.

    Doubt of what?

    It's not murder.

  • @BrokHomz

    If you only care about the potential for things then it means every time you had sex and used contraception, you are committing a potential genocide of future generations; every-time you masturbate and the sperm goes to waste, another genocide of potential.

    Every time you make a decision you're effecting and indeed likely even killing (by prevention) your own potential children of the (potential) future.

    To call this murder is to spit on the concept.

  • Thou shalt not question Prof. Dawkins

  • Faith always comes after God speaking to someone.

    I have faith because God told me to do things that didn't make sence and then later I seen the end result of what God was doing.

    I have faith because God has made himself known to me. NOT because i am just hoping I am right about God.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Faith isn't a reward, it's a freaking belief based upon not having evidence. I don't know where you get your info and if you were Hindu, you would say the same about Krishna.

  • @HybridD91

    You are correct Faith is not a reward it is not based on merit.

    Faith is a Gift

    Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Faith is a gift? Which definition stands? The one in Heb 11:1 or this one, or it only changes when it's convient for you? Again, trying to have your cake and eat it too.

  • @HybridD91

    Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

    notice the word Assurance?

    This assurance comes from God as he Assures the believer of things the believer has not seen

    The KJV uses the word substance in the translation which in the greek it is "hupostasis" which means assurance

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Notice the words "not seen". You haven't seen any of what God is assuring yet believe it. What do you call that? Belief without evidence. It hasn't been demonstrated to you, yet you believe it.

  • @HybridD91

    "Not seen"

    onse again GOD told abraham to leave his home abraham was going to a place he had not seen and didn't know where it was. But If God had mnot told him to go He would not have went by Faith.

    GOD always speaks and faith follows.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus You're trying to get around what faith is and failing miserably.

  • @HybridD91

    I have not seen God's Kingdom but God has told me it is there. I believe because God has told me about things I have not seen.

    I am ASSURED of things I have not yet seen because God has assured me.

    IF God did not first assure me I wouldn't believe

  • @TheGloriaaDeus The reason you believe it's there is because you read a book and you believe that book. Regardless, you're going by faith, belief without evidence.

  • @HybridD91

    think what you wish

    I believe because I had an encounter with God when I was around 28 years old that changed my life forever

    You don't believe because God has not shown you and you haven't asked him to show you because you don't want there to be a God.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Actually I have, so much for you trying to know about me. Did you believe in that God before your "encounter", probably yes. If you where Hindu, you would say the same about Krishna, same if you were a Muslim. Again, you Christians are so judgemental.

  • @HybridD91

    I know this is hard to understand

    But pat attention

    If God did not tell Abram to gio to a place he had not seen he would not have went.

    He was Assured by GOD

  • @TheGloriaaDeus I know it's hard for you to understand but you think. Assurance is not evidence, assurance is nothing but a mere promise. I can assure you the USC Trojans will go undefeated this year and win the BCS Title, but there is no evidence for me to support that. Again, I'm going off faith, which I am when I say that because that's my favorite team and I WANT(hope) to win. Where's the evidence in that?

  • @HybridD91

    You are talkiing about faith in THINGS not seen and mixing them up with God speaking about those things.

    I thought the whole problem was you didn't believe in God (not things)

    God did the speaking So believing in God or Faith that he is God is not a blind leap. If God did not speak then Abraham would continued as the rest of his family and worshiped idols.

  • @HybridD91

    Faith in God is based on God revealing himself to a person. not on some wild guess about something not seen.

    faith in the things I have not seen is based on God telling me.

    I thought the problem was Faith in God not in faith in things.

    Once again biblical Faith in God always comes after God revealing himself

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Sure, what ever but you can't get around the fact faith in God is not based on evidence. I was using an analogy but I guess was wrong about you understand that. "not on some wild guess about something not seen.". something not seen? Wait, didn't things not seen appear in Hebrews 11:1?

  • @HybridD91

    Yes "something not seen" does appear in Heb 11:1 BUT so does the word "assurance"

    The Assurance is the source of the faith given as a gift by God and trusting God about the things I have not seen. If I ahad no assurance I would have no faith. the assurnce is based on God showing me That he is God. and there ar thinghs i have not yet seen

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Assurance can be the source of faith but assurance is not based on evidence. It's a promise, you have no evidence to know if that promise will pass or not. Wishful thinking doesn't make it so. There is nothing demonstratable you can give for your god. 

  • @TheGloriaaDeus "Biblical" faith lol, doesn't matter what spin you put on it, is still a belief based upon which there's no evidence. If God revealed himself to you, there's no need for assurance because you know. Assurance=/=evidence.

  • @HybridD91

    come on how may times do i have to point to the word assurance and where that assurance comes from.

    Before you understand my beliefe in God comes from God. My beliefe in the things he has told me that I have not seen is all based in the fact i have encountered Him. Assurance is an important part of faith.

  • @HybridD91

    With no Assurance there is no biblical faith- only blind faith

    the assurance is the important part in Biblcal faith. and it always comes after God speaking to a person

    Always

    If God had not told meand I believed then I would believe in these thing by blind faith

    but because God told me I have assurance.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Again, assurance is still based upon a promise. Nothing demonstratable. Faith is not a belief with evidence.

  • @HybridD91

    I can have faith that I will win the lottery but I have no assurance that it will happen

    this is called blind faith--I don't reall know it is going to happen

    I have faith Christ will return because I have been given assurance that I will Happen This is biblical faith I do know it is going to Happen becasue evrything else God said will happen has happened

    Biblical faith has asurance

    blind faith does not

  • @TheGloriaaDeus You do not know Christ will return, you just believe it because a book says so. You've been given a promise that isn't based on any thing demonstratable, what is it you don't understand about something being demonstrated? Matthew 24:14 states when everyone hears about the good news of the Gospels the end shall come, Romans 10:18 says every heard of the Gospels.

  • @HybridD91

    I have faith that there is a God not just because i have read the bible but because I have encountered Him. I have been surrounded by his presence and he has spoke to me.

    You do not have the same faith as me because god hjas not chosen to do this for you.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus There's two things you can get from those scriptures. One, the scriptures were talking about the future. Okay, why isn't the end here if every one has heard of the Gospels? Which is clearly not true because every hasn't heard of Christ but Bible says it happened or happens, so it must be true, which is obviously false about every hearing the of the Gospels.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Or you can say the Bible was talking about the past, which is clearly impossible at that given time but if it was, it must be true because the Bible says so, despite the obvious. So again, if this book can't tell the truth about simple geographical propabilities, why feel assured? How do you know it's going to happen if it's inconsistent? Using your book, it's not going to happen.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus

    watch?v=SlaCq3dKvvI&feature=re­lated.....check this video out, may help you, may not, I got more videos to watch and comments to post.

  • @HybridD91

    I don't believe in Santa Clause. My children have never gotten a present from him. We do not do the Santa Clause thing in my home.

    Do I go around trying hard to prove that there is now santa?

    NO I don't really care if people want to follow that trash. As for me I just ignore it.

    Why do you try so hard to prove there is no God?

    if you know he is not real then why do you care what I believe?

  • @HybridD91

    The fact you try to prove that thewre is no God just adds strength to the fact there is a God.

    If you didn't know deep down that there was a god you wouldn't try so hard to prove he isn't real.

    You try so hard because you know in your Conscience that He is real and you don't want it to be true

    if you knew for a fact there was no God you wouldn't even care

  • @HybridD91

    My faith that there is a God ; is because He has made himself known to me!!!

    Not because I am just hoping with blind Faith

    I know with Biblical faith he is Real and I Hope for the things he has told me that I have not seen

  • @HybridD91

    there is more to faith then the limites you give it.

    ie..The disciples seen the things Jesus did with their own eyes and they still lacked Faith in what He could do and who he was. The bibvle is full of these examples.

    Faith is more then believing thing you haven't seen. It is also trusting thingsd you have seen and more.. much more...

    you put limites on Faith---I do not because God has shown me that he is

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Let's break this down again "faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen". Faith is the assurance(a promise) of things hoped(desired) for, the conviction(a strong belief) of things not seen(something not evident or demonstrated aka evidence). Faith is a promise of things desired, for a strong belief of things not based on evidence.

  • @HybridD91

    God made the world and evrything in it.

    I can see the world and the trees etc...

    I have Faith that the world is real

    I have Faith God made it

    now I didn't see him make it. But I believe he did because he said he did. i just gave you two different levels of faith.

    faith is not limited to what you say it is limited to.

  • @HybridD91

    Actually no I didn't believe before i had the encounter.

    May Army dog tags even said "No Pref" for my religion.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Mind if I ask, was it a NDE(near death experience)?

  • @HybridD91

    No it was not a NDE

    depending on what you mean by NDE I have had a few of those. years before I Believed and it didn't cause me to believe.

    If the experence had to be descrided it would be more of a wanting to die and God wouldn't let me die.

    something kinda like what God put JOB through

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Why would God not want you to die if you didn't believe in him? Did he go back on his word? Isn't blasphemy the unforgiven sin? Maybe will not be letting you tell it. Why doesn't he heal amputees? How'd you know it was the Judeo Christian god if you didn't believe in him? Mind if take a guess? Some Christian family members said God did it? Where there any diseases involved?

  • @TheGloriaaDeus *Were*

  • @HybridD91

    Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.

    Pay close attention here!

    God spoke (assured) Abraham believed him and he went to a place he had not yet seen

    Assured of things not yet seen!!

    can it get any more plane then that?

  • @TheGloriaaDeus He didn't know where he was going. Again, a belief without evidence. It wasn't demonstrated as to where his location would be.

  • @HybridD91

    True he didn't know where he was going and there was not any evidence OTHER THEN God told him.

    Once again Assured of things not seen!

    Abraham believed God when God told him about things he had not seen.

    IF God had not told him he would ot had any assurance of the things he had not yet seen

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Every heard of "walk by faith, not by sight"? Assurance isn't evidence, is just a promise. There is nothing to demonstrate it will happen. Again, faith is belief without evidence. Assurance is not evidence.

  • @HybridD91

    Noah had ever seen Rain or a big flood But God told him it would happen.

    Noah was assured of things he had not yet seen (Flood)

    He believed God when God told him

  • @HybridD91

    The world's and your idea of faith is part of the problem. You do not really understand faith. True Biblical, saving faith is not a blind leap. It is based on believing what God says. This was the problem in the "garden" Satan convienced Adam and Eve to not believe God and they ate the fruit.

    My faith is base on something real not on a blind leap othewise I wouldn't believe in God.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus You can make your own definitions all you want but it doesn't change the real definition. Lets not get into the Adam and Eve fail because it ultimately points to your Gods failure. Prove your God is real if your "faith" is based on something real. Maybe you will understand the meaning of faith, maybe you will not.

  • @HybridD91

    Actually my definition of faith is understood by other true believers the same way

    So you are saying that Faith has only one possible definition?

    Then I guess all words should have only one definition

    so which of the 6 definitions of evolution should we choose? : abstract thought (I like this one)

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Grant you words have many meanings, but when you talk about faith and belief, you can't intentionally ignore the defintion of a faith-based belief, which is belief without evidence. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

  • @HybridD91

    Once again you confuse "defintion of a faith-based belief" as you call it

    with

    BIBLICAL Faith

    NOT the same thing.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Actually I haven't confused any thing. I stated a definition of faith regarding belief. You're just trying to get around the fact that you can't have evidence for God yet have faith in him.

  • @HybridD91

    Ok keep telling your self that

    But I will continue with my faith that God has given me by Showing me who He is and telling of things to come.

    You don't have to believe me or believe that my Faith is founded on God showing me.

    Doesn't really matter to me.

    I know what I know and you can't change that

  • @TheGloriaaDeus I don't want you to change that. I'm just showing the fallacy in your claim. You say you have faith in God yet claim to have evidence. Sure, keep being dishonest.

  • @HybridD91

    Like it or not my Faith is based on God choosing to reveal himself to me

    And I believe, by faith, that the things He has said will happen

    You do not have this faith because God has not chosen to show you who he is

    It makes me sad to think about how you hate your maker and he chooses to leave you in that state of mind

    At the same time I am filled with Joy that He has chosen for me to know him

  • @TheGloriaaDeus You theists amaze me. How can I hate someone I've never met? I don't have faith in your god because there's no evidence for him, regardless of what you want faith to be, there isn't any evidence. Again, you still haven't touched on my question if you enjoyed the torture of the Holocaust and slavery in America being that you believe people will suffer, and want it to happen, for rejecting your fairy tales.

  • @HybridD91

    It isn't that there is no evidence.

    It Is however that you haven't seen the evidence because HE hasn't shown you

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Then who's problem is that. You can assume what ever.

  • I wonder if he will choose to comlain while suffering in Hell.

    Or will he be a man and realize he had been warned many many times and didn't listen---as he gets Justice poored out on head by the wrath of a Holy and perfect God.

  • you poor fool!

    if you would know your own religion you would know that there is no devil and no hell!

    make some readings before you answer.

    p.s. i give you a hint: try to figure out how almighty your almigthy god is....

  • @yohannes80

    You no nothing about "my Religion"

    How do you know "My Religion" has or does not have a Hell?

    If you do not even know what theology I belong too?

    My "religion" there Is a Hell and many will go there.

  • than i have to excuse.

    i asumed you are a christian, i didnt know that you made up your own religion.

    good luck with that...

    p.s. what kind of weak god does your religion have? if i where you i would made some really scary and almighty god that especialy loves me, there would be now need for a hell. or is the devil a god too, the old "good god, bad god"-game?

  • @yohannes80

    Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

  • wow,  you also made up a bible or what?

    must have cost you a lot of time and creativity!

    how do you call your religion and your god or gods? and what a about the devil?

    please answer me, maybe i join you and youve saved a soul and earn yourself a nicer cloud in heaven(i asume you have a heaven or is there just hell?

  • see, you dont answer. proofs to me that i got your battleship!

    next time, dont try to be a smart one and talk shit like its not obvious that you are stupid enough to believe things even your religion doesnt know about....

  • @yohannes80

    No the problem is you do not deserve an answer.

    I have better things to do then to sit and read about your self pride, self righteous, God hating attitude.

    maybe if you really wanted to hear what I know to be true and consider

    I would tolerate your arrogance long enough to explain it.

    you have two options.

    Repent and believe or spend eternity in Hell.

    Maybe God will give you mercy and show you truth.

  • woah, eternity in hell. damn your god is hateful little bastard! just because someone didnt believe in him, what an asshole!!!!

    buddy, it was a fun time, but you`re just not interessting anymore , i`m sorry.

    have a great eternity, don`t forget to bring a book, its a hell of a time....muahahaha!

  • Not going to happen

  • The perfect way to control the masses, "Do as I say, or burn in all eternity!" Sounds a little bit like a perfect dictatorship doesn't it?

  • @jwh30385

    It Is a Dictatorship. Think about it-- HE is Lord of Lords, King of Kings. It is his Kingdom that I belong to.

    So you prefer a democracy? Democracy is not any better then a dictatorship. America is falling apart because of democracy. The majority once thought Slavery was ok. the Majority thinks abortion is ok. the majority can be wrong and often are.

    You fail to understand he is a perfect Just, righteous and Sovereign God

    Those that go to Hell deserve it for breaking the Law

  • @jwh30385

    Those that go to spend eternity with Christ also have broken the law. Only he has chosen to give them mercy . By HIS grace HE gives Salvation and teaches Faith to those He chooses to not cast into Hell.

    You see I deserve Hell just as much, if not more, then you do BUT God has chosen to open my eyes to what I deserve and give me mercy

    I have been granted freedom from the Law and the penality I deserve

    I have been given true freedom

    Only through Christ can this be done.

  • @jwh30385

    Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

    Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

    1Th 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you

    Joh 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.

  • @jwh30385

    o you are correct

    it is a

    "PERFECT dictatorship" Perfect--- being the important word here

  • Perfect, unless of course you commit such Biblical crimes as eating shrimp or lobster. (Leviticus 11:12)

  • @jwh30385

    eating shellfish should be the least of your concerns.

    Have you ever told a lie?

    to tell a lie is to break on of the "big Ten".

    and the penality for lying is:

    Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

  • @jwh30385 Do you obey the Laws given to you by your government? What side of the road do you drive on? do you stop at stop signs? shoplift? walk around nude? how dark are your car windows tented? Do you randomly shoot people? What happens when you break these laws? how dare your goverment enforce penality for breaking the law. You have a problem with obeying God's Holy Law and yet no problem obeying man's laws?
  • Why should I obey the laws of a supernatural being for whom there is absolutely NO proof that even exists? The United States has a written document called the constitution. I know very well that these laws are, in fact, enforced. I've seen cops cars, I've seen court houses. There is credible evidence that judges and state prosecutors exist. The day I receive any credible evidence of the existence of God, I'll gladly become a devout Muslim, Christian, Jew or whatever religion this proof favors.

  • @jwh30385

    The day you see credible evidence of the existence of God?

    It is all around you and you deny it.

    What you require as credible evidence will ham at that moment when he returns or you die which ever happens first. And in that moment it will be to late to accept the mercy Christ offers on the cross. It will no longer be offered.

  • Credible evidence of the existence of God is all around me? Even if this was evidence of a God, there is nothing that makes the story of Christianity any more credible than say, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism or Sikhism for that matter. The only thing to base it off of is the Bible, which isn't really any more credible than the Quran, or the Hindu Vedas for that matter.. It's all about what you're brought up to believe.. There is no proof for any religion.

  • @jwh30385

    one difference.

    If you remove Mohammad from Islam you still have Islam and all of it's rules.

    If you remove Abraham from Judaism yoi still have Judaism

    If you remove Buddha from Buddhism you still have all of its concepts

    etc.....

    If you remove Christ out of true Christianity the whole thing falls apart. the very core of Christianity is that God became flesh and paid for pour sin. without this one event there is no christianity.

    If he did not do this then Jesus died in vain

  • Jesus dying on the cross doesn't make Christianity as a religion any more credible than any other religion, it just tells a different story. The Bible hasn't made any prophecies which have come true, it does not explain anything about our existence.. Had the Bible talked about quantum physics, astronomy, even cellular biology, I would have taken that as evidence, but it doesn't. It tells stories of miracles which cannot be verified.

  • @jwh30385 This is when I point you in the direction of 2 books called "A Case For Faith" "A Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. he was a journalist that set out to prove the bible wrong and found that it was true. There is even a DVD if you don't like to read. I wish you the best and hope that God chooses to open your eyes before it is to late. If he does don't play around with false teachers Reformed Theology is the true Gospel Washer, Piper, Sproul are the names you will need
  • He couldn't have found that the entire Bible was true, because the Bible dates creation back to roughly 6,000 years ago, a physical, astronomical, biological, paleontological, geological and historical impossibility.

  • @jwh30385

    The Bible makes it very clear that you will continue to think the way you do unless Christ Chooses to open your eyes. If he does not then He has chosen that you will be cast out.

    To make this point clear in your terms let me explain like this:

    There are scientist that claim that stalactites form over a period of millions of years.

    But that is only part of the truth.

    There is proof that Stalactites form much faster.

  • @jwh30385

    there are caves in Tennessee, Wyoming, and other places that the growth has been measured at 1 inch a year. The Lincoln Memorial was built in 1923 and yet it has a blanket of stalactites that has formed on the ceiling. There is a photo taken of this in 1968 -in a period of 45 years some of the stalactites were five feet long.

    I could go on and one with proof of rapid stalactite growth

    stalactite gfrowth could have happened rapid and slowed to a much slower rate.

  • @jwh30385

    To observe the slow growth one would say they grow slow and it takes millions of years. But that is only half the story. when you observe the fast growth it is clear they form fast and slowed down to appear to be slow.

    The point is you are looking at half the evidence and not seeing the whole story just as those that claim stalactites formed over millions of years.

    There is an explanation that removes your millions of year old world theory

    you just haven't seen it

  • @jwh30385

    Temple University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, is the fact that stalactites are growing on the cement wall steps between the universitys Anderson Hall and Gladfelter Hall. Right below the stalactites, some stalagmites are forming. Although only several centimetres high, they have all formed since the concrete stairway of Gladfelter Hall was built in May, 1973

  • @jwh30385

    6000 year old earth is very possible you have only seen half the evidence.

    I could go on and on with proof in the other areas you listed.

    I will end my proof here and leave you in God's hands

    He will do with you as he chooses.

  • I'm saying the sheer size of the Universe. Light, being the fastest possible speed barrier in the Universe, has reached us from at least 13 billion light years away. This means that the Universe must then be at least 13 billion years old, unless, it was instantly created by magic, and the creator intended for us to believe it was at least 13 billion years old. Even the gasoline that runs your car is an impossibility regarding a 6,000 year old Earth, as fossils can't turn to oil in 6,000 years.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus you admit that your wrong then

  • @AndrewSummers

    What?

    Where is your proof that there is no God? show it to me

    I want to see 100% proof of no God

  • @TheGloriaaDeus for the millionth time you have the burden of proof... prove it...

  • @AndrewSummers

    No I don't

    God chose to make himself known to me and he doesn't follow my commands--He is GOD

    He makes it very clear that he chooses to not to make himself known to some people.

    I have to prove nothing----It is up to God to prove himself

    Now prove that he is not

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Okay what about faith?

  • @HybridD91

    Faith--true faith is not the way you think it is. It is not a blind leap into the unknown.

    Read Hebrews chapter 11 "the Hall of Faith" In every case when someone's faith is counted as righteousness it always comes after God first doing an action.

    Example:God spoke and told Abraham to leave his home. THEN Abraham did what God told him to do.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Speaking of righteousness, since you like quoting scriptures, Romans 3:10-"There is no one righteous, not even one".

  • @HybridD91

    Rom 3:10--Good scripture

    All men deserve Hell But God came to us in flesh and became man, He never gave into the temptations we do then he took the crushing blow of the fathers wrath for every lie, theft, and others sins. Of those that will believe and give their lives to him. He payed the due penalty for your sin if you believe him

  • @TheGloriaaDeus I take it you know never little about the Bible, if so, you would know of the scriptures in the OT that state many people being righteous yet Rom 3:10 says otherwise. That's what I get assuming a Christian knows about the Bible. Guess not knowing about the Bible is why you believe it.

  • @HybridD91

    I will take you one step more and show you in the OT that it says none are righteous.

    Notice in Rom 3:10 paul records "AS IT IS WRITEN"----Psalm 14:3 and Psa 53:3

    The "righteous" are those that have the righteousness of God imputed on them

    through faith.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus The OT says no one is righteous? I guess Genesis 7:1 and Job 2:3 are wrong, not to mention God saying Abraham is righteous, what about Luke 1:6, James 5:16, and 1 John 3:7?

  • @HybridD91

    this is where you need to look at the Hebrew and the Greek and see what it means by Righteous.

    Righteousness can be imputed by God

    It also can mean a human standard of righteous that is not the same as being rightous in God's eyes

    often other translations will clear this up with the word "Just","Honest", "Up Right"

  • @TheGloriaaDeus The Bible is the word of God right? And the Bible is used when people, mostly Christian, say who's righteous and who isn't right? So it's safe to say for agrument's sake, we know righteousness in God's eyes because we have his word, the Bible, that gives descriptions of righteoueness.

  • @HybridD91

    You only think you understand what the bible is saying.

    what you do not know is it can not e understood with the natural mind

    1Co 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus So condescending are we. You people are alike. You don't understand this because of this and that. I guess I didn't understand how God didn't know if made humans before or after animals. I guess I misunderstood how God drowned most of the human population. I guess I misunderstood how God commanded the death of so many people in the Bible.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus You clearly don't understand definitions and missed my point. Faith is belief without evidence. You claim your God proved himself to you. You can't have faith and proof at the same time, you can't have your cake and eat it to.

  • @HybridD91

    That is what you and much of the world thinks Faith is.

    Biblical faith is not based on a guess. It is ALWAYS! God speaking first then man believing God after he spoke. ALWAYS!!

    where do I ge this information? From God!!!

  • @HybridD91

    Heb 11:11 By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive

    BUT if you go read the story (Gen 18:12-15): God spoke and said it would happen-Sarah laughed in disbelief and lied about laughing right to God. Then after she conceived she believed. Faith ALWAYS comes after God doing an action to cause a person to believe.

    faith ALWAYS ALWAYS! proceeds God first doing an action

  • @TheGloriaaDeus So does God do something for a child born into a belief which he knows nothing about yet says he have faith in God? Many kids say they have faith in God (because off their parents beliefs) yet know nothing about what they believe.

  • @HybridD91

    God gives what he want to whom he wants. Some are born into religion as false believers following what there parents taught them

    others really believe at an early age.

    Some come to believe when they are 30 or 50.

    As for my knowledge of the bible--there is always more to learn but if you continue to press you will find I know more then the average joe christain

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Others really believe at an early age because of their parents. How else would they know of the particular god they believe in? Let me guess, will this go into a "God works in mysterious ways" assertion?

  • @HybridD91

    You do not understand this kind of faith because you don't have it

    Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

    Isa 44:18 They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Fail of an assertion. I don't have AIDs yet I understand it. Try another claim. 

  • @HybridD91 Mat 13:10 Then the disciples came and said to him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?"

    Mat 13:11 And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

    Mat 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus So that means you shouldn't understand them either. You don't need any magical moment to understand the Bible.

  • @HybridD91

    You think you know what the bible says but you don't even know what Biblical faih is.

    I bet you don't know what the difference between dispensationalism v/s millennialism or the variations of the views. The trinity v/s Modalism, Calvin v/s Arminius, works v/s justification etc....

  • @HybridD91

    God chooses to give some this gift from te womb.

    John The Baptist--Luk 1:15 for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

    Jeremiah---Jer 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Everyone is born an atheist, that's why kids at a young age ask who or what is God, but of course you will to dishonest to admit that. I guess God waited to let people know about him after many other religions came before Judaism.

  • @HybridD91

    Rom 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls--

    Rom 9:12 she was told, "The older will serve the younger."

    Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

  • @HybridD91

    The unknown is this:

    I have never seen God's kingdom--I have not yet seen the return of Christ.

    BUt God is not an unknown He is "I Am" and he says He will return and I believe him

  • @HybridD91

    God first spoke then Abraham believed God. Abraham didn't know where he was going BUT because God told him to go he believed God had a plan. Abrahams faith wasn't a quess or a blind leap He was following instruction and trusting where God would take him.

    Noah didn't build an Ark just beause.God first told him to do so. Abraham believed God and built it even though he had never seen rain before. he belved what god had told him.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus God also lied about his creation. Your point is?

  • @TheGloriaaDeus If God is omniscient, omnibenevolent, AND omnipotent, he negates his own exist. The burden of proof always lie with the person making a claim. We are all born atheist and will stay that way until someone makes a claim about a god and fall for that belief, and so far there is no proof. If ancedotes is evidence then I can say aliens with golden spiked hair took me to planet Zargon. Would you believe, if not, why believe you?

  • @HybridD91

    You do not have Faith in God because God has not made himself known to you

    Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

    IT is not my Job to prove God. God can prove himself. If he has not shown you who He is; then there is a very good chance God has not chosen for you to know him and will cast you into the lake of fire for being the sinner that you are.

  • @TheGloriaaDeus Quoting scriptures will not solve any thing because I can do that to. Job 37:18-"can you join him in spreading out the skies, hard as a mirror of cast bronze?"

  • @TheGloriaaDeus 2 Kings 2:23-24-"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths."

  • @TheGloriaaDeus You Christians are to funny with your judgemental attitudes. According to your fairy tale, people who don't know God will be tossed in the lake of fire. Some God lol, I'll rather not be in heaven with people like you. With your admiration for suffer and torture, do you enjoy the horrors of the Holocaust and third world children who your God refuses to help?

  • @jwh30385

    Just to close my point

    References:

    Encyclopedia Americana, Americana Corporation, Danbury (Connecticut), 1978, Vol. 25, p. 570

    Mason Sutherland, Carlsbad Caverns in Color, National Geographic, October, 1953, p. 442

    John C. Whitcomb, Jr, The World That Perished, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1973, pp. 114115

  • @jwh30385

    You see, God says all men deserve Hell.

    Rom 3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;

    God offers a chance to surrender to him and receive his mercy, Now!

    He offers this only through Christ who paid the penality of sin.

    If you do not accept the conditions of this chance to surrender to him now and accept his mercy. then there will be a day he no longer offers mercy and will bring his full wrath down on you.

    one way or another every knee will bow before him

  • @jwh30385

    in the first post of this series

    that should be --- will (Happen) at the moment

    not---ham at that moment.

    I was doing three things at one time and I don't know how ham got in there.

    I think it was two words mixed

    (come and happen)

  • And a book written by desert savages gives no meaning but a negative one as it's based on lies and if it were true would STILL be shit as regards giving you true meaning and purpose as the god of the bible is a nasty piece of immoral shit.

    Give me my own time on this planet and then give me sweet oblivion as I couldn't imagine a worse hell than a paradise full of fucking christians,Oh hi Kent,Kirk and Ray,PLEASE,just tell me where the fire escape is,ah fuck it I'll jump!

  • if life had no purpose then why be nice or even polite to the very next person you see or meet or have known for years or who is polite to you? think about it you damn idiot! im not saying life didnt evolve but that it must have a purpose. Theories in evolution do not detract from the fact that it had to be guided evolution for it to reach this point of conciousness. Chance is a very stupid notion, just look at the thoughts of steven hawkings. Even he can't see the universe coming from nowhere!!

  • being nice to people, forming meaningful relationships and enjoying yourself creates purpose in your life. life doesn't have to begin with a purpose because you create the purpose in your life.

  • Chance is stupid? But a God who was always there isn't?

  • Mujahedeen: I choose to be nice, because that's how I want to be treated. I don't need a supreme being and a 2,000 year old book to tell me what's morally right. I know very well I shouldn't be rude to people. I can tell right from wrong on my own, and need no supreme being to tell me. Chance may be a stupid option, but truth has nothing to do with what you perceive as "stupid". I'd like 2+2 to =5, but that doesn't make it any more true.

  • Is simply to live, survive, and evolve as a specie. The rests are details.

    Survival of the species is paramount as there are ever-present threats to its extinction.

    Meaning and purpose becomes individualistic. Survival of a specie does not rely on individual purpose or meaning.

  • Listen to the entire Q & A session on my channel.

  • That answer was inadequate.