enlightened "persons" must be so and so and so... just definitions, limitations that don't contemplate the multiple forms of being. Even Adyashanti lets his mind make mistakes. Actually we CAN NOT KNOW how liberation is "seen" by each one of us. Therefore, what someone could "expect" to see, the so desired fireworks, may never occur. No expectation is enlightenment (of no one) itself. Fireworks and bliss may only be reasons for someone to continue attached. All is allowed in the field of This.
And I do notice that classic non-dual mistake in my last post. But anyway something else I have noticed is that many of the non-dual crowd do tend to use very similar language, so there is no way to know if they are not just being conditioned by other non-dual teachers or simply imitating them. So how can a seeker know if it is a real awakening? But on the other hand I believe that there are some people who had spontanious awakening without prior exposure to the non-dual teaching.
THis is not true spiritual awakening. Why do these advaita awaken only to the physical, and to the sense of sight? There are many reals, angelic realms, healing, etc, why do they not also perceive this in the oneness? Their own oneness is the dry one with no compassion. Yes, they still have to meditate and work topward compassion, just in the same way as they work and sell books and organize satsangs.
When the jerk realises enlightenment, the jerk still remains. As the jerkness is not apart from liberation there can be a satisfaction with it, and no need to improve the character. It is possible to stagnate here and be fine with what is, end of story, and so there is a dumbing down of the benefits, the wonder and the creative possibilities , and no desire to help humanity. Others see no end to the wonder and the depth and the creative potential and are excited to be of ever greater benefit.
It's so ordinary, doesn't have the flash and bells and whistles of the usual idea of liberation. Yet, what does anyone know about it? What can be known? Who is there reporting that it is divine bliss, ecstasy, etc? Liberation is so present, so absolutely ordinary that a seeker misses the mystery of what is happening. We tend to get caught up in what can be known about it, but what it is cannot be known. It is all that is, life itself is living enlightenment.
Oh boy. The most enlightened person I see here is the interviewer, Renate. She's really pretty extraordinary. She feels like a very broad, living person in her heart. How funny she doesn't realize what's going on.
This woman, Catherine, isn't experiencing non-duality. She's locked in duality, she's trapped in separation. It's not liberation, not by any definition I recognize. It's exile.
I was actually thinking of a quote by Adya during this whole awesome interview. He said something like "People think when they awaken it's going to feel so good, or they're going to feel so happy all the time, when really all you feel is kind of... irrelevant."
The quote the interviewer uses here is from Adya's book The End of Your World, where he's discussing people who've had brief glimpses of liberation and make a belief out of it, then go around telling people they're "enlightened". Adya calls them "enlightened egos", and I do not think he contradicts anything Catherine says here.
Holy crap, that interview was the best thing ever! I would love to have a beer with her. I was actually thinking of an Adyashanti quote while watching this, he said something to the effect of "People think when you get enlightened, you're gonna feel so good, and you'll feel so happy, when really all you feel is sort of... irrelevant."
The Woman Doing The Interviewing Is FAR More Enlightened Than The Woman Being Interviewed! Enlightenment Is Merging Back Into The Original Shoreless Ocean Infinite Wizdom Ambrosial Pure Consciousness SOURCE ~Divine SPIRIT Fabric & Tapestry Of ALL Seen & Unseen & BEYOND! ALL Realms & Universes Are Just An Illusory Speck In SOURCE! Self~Effulgent Unlimited Divine Love ~Purity ~Bliss ~Ecstacy! ONENESS ~ No Subject Object! Reincarnation Ended! ALL Species Ect Are That SOURCE & Can Be Enlightened!♥
Catherine stays in innocence. She is not afraid to say "I don't know". There is more of a living in the open space of consciousness rather than in the storyline of an individual. There is a clear openness. Wonderful.
if consciousness is love and compassion how can we say it doesn't care! If I AM that totality then I say I do care about the suffering of others. I Am not moved by it but throw love without condition into it.
surely If there is just totality then there are no others to care about...all pain is the pain of the totality, others (like the illusion of yourself) are just the dream puppets of your own unconscious creation.... 'nothing is real, and nothing to get hung about...'
Consciousness is love for "what is". So, it doesn't care about this or that, it cares about and loves the whole of itself. If there is a motion of altruism, consciousness loves it. If there isn't, consciousness loves it too.
i love this lady, she just blows all the spiritual dogma right out the water, showing how off track all the seeking is, you would think that the interviewer is the enlightened one..
very similar to what UG Krishnamurti would say, except she is not as brash as him
ccsnd77 7 months ago
Very interesting. She will continue to experience what she experiences and come to see what she comes to see and that's fine.
livenowdoing 11 months ago
enlightened "persons" must be so and so and so... just definitions, limitations that don't contemplate the multiple forms of being. Even Adyashanti lets his mind make mistakes. Actually we CAN NOT KNOW how liberation is "seen" by each one of us. Therefore, what someone could "expect" to see, the so desired fireworks, may never occur. No expectation is enlightenment (of no one) itself. Fireworks and bliss may only be reasons for someone to continue attached. All is allowed in the field of This.
Biolupus 1 year ago
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And I do notice that classic non-dual mistake in my last post. But anyway something else I have noticed is that many of the non-dual crowd do tend to use very similar language, so there is no way to know if they are not just being conditioned by other non-dual teachers or simply imitating them. So how can a seeker know if it is a real awakening? But on the other hand I believe that there are some people who had spontanious awakening without prior exposure to the non-dual teaching.
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qthinker 1 year ago
Bravo (the woman formerly known as) Catherine! Beautiful.
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THis is not true spiritual awakening. Why do these advaita awaken only to the physical, and to the sense of sight? There are many reals, angelic realms, healing, etc, why do they not also perceive this in the oneness? Their own oneness is the dry one with no compassion. Yes, they still have to meditate and work topward compassion, just in the same way as they work and sell books and organize satsangs.
mrcuteblackie 1 year ago
When the jerk realises enlightenment, the jerk still remains. As the jerkness is not apart from liberation there can be a satisfaction with it, and no need to improve the character. It is possible to stagnate here and be fine with what is, end of story, and so there is a dumbing down of the benefits, the wonder and the creative possibilities , and no desire to help humanity. Others see no end to the wonder and the depth and the creative potential and are excited to be of ever greater benefit.
YouGazzaa 1 year ago 4
It's so ordinary, doesn't have the flash and bells and whistles of the usual idea of liberation. Yet, what does anyone know about it? What can be known? Who is there reporting that it is divine bliss, ecstasy, etc? Liberation is so present, so absolutely ordinary that a seeker misses the mystery of what is happening. We tend to get caught up in what can be known about it, but what it is cannot be known. It is all that is, life itself is living enlightenment.
SoulStarOracle 1 year ago
Oh boy. The most enlightened person I see here is the interviewer, Renate. She's really pretty extraordinary. She feels like a very broad, living person in her heart. How funny she doesn't realize what's going on.
This woman, Catherine, isn't experiencing non-duality. She's locked in duality, she's trapped in separation. It's not liberation, not by any definition I recognize. It's exile.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
I was actually thinking of a quote by Adya during this whole awesome interview. He said something like "People think when they awaken it's going to feel so good, or they're going to feel so happy all the time, when really all you feel is kind of... irrelevant."
Forkfoot 1 year ago
The quote the interviewer uses here is from Adya's book The End of Your World, where he's discussing people who've had brief glimpses of liberation and make a belief out of it, then go around telling people they're "enlightened". Adya calls them "enlightened egos", and I do not think he contradicts anything Catherine says here.
Forkfoot 1 year ago
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Holy crap, that interview was the best thing ever! I would love to have a beer with her. I was actually thinking of an Adyashanti quote while watching this, he said something to the effect of "People think when you get enlightened, you're gonna feel so good, and you'll feel so happy, when really all you feel is sort of... irrelevant."
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Forkfoot 1 year ago
The lady doing the interview thinks she is a person. To interview an enlightened person must be a nightmare for the mind!
Ponferrada22 2 years ago
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It looks to be a very typical seeker who's built up a strong "Spiritual Lady" identity interviewing someone with no identity whatsoever.
Forkfoot 1 year ago 2
The Woman Doing The Interviewing Is FAR More Enlightened Than The Woman Being Interviewed! Enlightenment Is Merging Back Into The Original Shoreless Ocean Infinite Wizdom Ambrosial Pure Consciousness SOURCE ~Divine SPIRIT Fabric & Tapestry Of ALL Seen & Unseen & BEYOND! ALL Realms & Universes Are Just An Illusory Speck In SOURCE! Self~Effulgent Unlimited Divine Love ~Purity ~Bliss ~Ecstacy! ONENESS ~ No Subject Object! Reincarnation Ended! ALL Species Ect Are That SOURCE & Can Be Enlightened!♥
MagickalHummingbird 2 years ago
Catherine stays in innocence. She is not afraid to say "I don't know". There is more of a living in the open space of consciousness rather than in the storyline of an individual. There is a clear openness. Wonderful.
nowbellhere 2 years ago 3
when she says she's no longer there. I assume she means the ego is no longer there?
johnt49 2 years ago
if consciousness is love and compassion how can we say it doesn't care! If I AM that totality then I say I do care about the suffering of others. I Am not moved by it but throw love without condition into it.
sweeetly 3 years ago
surely If there is just totality then there are no others to care about...all pain is the pain of the totality, others (like the illusion of yourself) are just the dream puppets of your own unconscious creation.... 'nothing is real, and nothing to get hung about...'
gainsbourg66 3 years ago
illusion of self is also totatily
sweeetly 3 years ago
absolutely!
gainsbourg66 3 years ago
Consciousness is love for "what is". So, it doesn't care about this or that, it cares about and loves the whole of itself. If there is a motion of altruism, consciousness loves it. If there isn't, consciousness loves it too.
rockBuilder076 2 years ago
i love this lady, she just blows all the spiritual dogma right out the water, showing how off track all the seeking is, you would think that the interviewer is the enlightened one..
guyascott 3 years ago 17
excellent and pertinent questions. It's great to get different perspectives.
actualnothing 3 years ago
'Non-dualism' is a system of THOUGHT! Just another belief. Not very original; 5000 years old.
Antarblue 3 years ago