This country will collapse unless people stop with this left and right bullshit. We have to restore the American Dream and that will only be accomplished when you get people back to their own self reliance and off the tit of government.
@samspade1957 "This country will collapse unless people stop with this left and right bullshit" accept that it will collapse then, human nature dictates people will entrench themselves in camps and demonize the "other." sorry, i'm a pessimist, but unless we get invaded or something we'll always be divided
Look, bottom line is that you can still be gay and for killing people overseas and vote democrat. The only difference between R and D is that at the very least democrats tend to lean liberally on social issues like gay rights.
Barron is just like JC Watts. They found a niche in a party that hates them but that needs a FEW of them as tokens, and they can live well as long as they accept that role.
I like your political positions, Turks, and I share most of your political philosophies. But I really think you guys are mean spirited and just not nice. You all come across as very mean and not nice people.
It is truly a shame that the consitutional party, the individual rights party, the capitalist party, has gotten so tied up in religious pandering, that they forget that all of these things are defensible without an appeal to the will of God as stated in the Holy Bible, and indeed more sensibly and consistently, and I would argue effectively, defended. The American system being a two-party system, it makes sense to rely on purging the Republican party when you identify with their core principles.
@eggory The 'American system' is NOT a two party system, it just worked out that way, and it stays that way now, because it's the one thing both republicans and democrats agree on--don't let anyone else play the game.
@alaskafido You make it sound so hopeless, as if the two current mainstream parties have rigged the system beyond repair already, and there's nothing you and your fellow constituents can do about it. Either it is the way it is because the people have allowed it, or it IS a two-party system. I do believe that it is legal to run as a third party candidate, it's just disadvantageous at the moment, and since both parties are already fairly diverse, there's really no need.
Hahaha what a glorious tweet. The Republican party is traditionally the party of individual rights, whereas the democratic party is traditionally the party of group rights. I think the main argument is over whether gay rights are best defended as group rights, or individual rights. It's clear that many people favour the republican party only for its potential to be steered where they want, without regard for where it currently stands, e.g. Ron Paul, whom Cenk does not question on those grounds.
Ooh, I think Cenk came off as too much of an advocate and too argumentative in the interview. Let the guy talk and let the viewer make their own decision.
Am I missing the whole point here? Who cares if a soldier is gay or not? More to the point: why should anyone care? Blood is red no matter what your sexual orientation is. I am just so proud of any soldier who is willing to sacrafice their lives for the rest of us. Gay or straight...geeze (R)America: Focus on what is important not your own personal views.
@thephleblady Well our soldiers ought not be sacrificing their lives in Proxy Wars for the State of Israel, like the War in Iraq or the coming War against Iran. We should let Israeli soldiers fight Israeli Wars.
Even your average Joe republican votes against their best interest supporting the republican party. It must be an attempt at self-hate on their part. As for the gay guy, he sounds like the kind of person who would bring a rope to his own lynching.
Is this guy serious? How did he get a spot on anyone network. Oh, He is an MSNBC contributor!! Now I understand.They have the "spitter" Mathews, the crazy Ed Shultz, mumble mouth Al Sharpton, the "man-girl" Maddow, and of course that angry little guy that no one knows his name.They make Hannity, Beck, and O'Rielly look straight.Go CNN! Another thing,I spent 3 years in the army, one of which was in combat. I'm sure there were gays in my outfit, but I never knew it and furthermore didn't care!
''Conservatives are much more tolerant even though we hate their God dam lifestyle and gay agenda, what! Did I say that out loud?'' ROFLMFAO Cenk is hilarious. XD
You'd have to be eehm...gay? No that's not it...Republican? No that ain't it...conservative! No, no that's no good either...can't seem to figure it out.
@vince33x shhh shhh. because i am calling her a dumb cunt, doesn't at all mean i'm left wing, to agree with the majority of what this woman says, is essentially being a complete moron, she thinks canada sent troops to vietnam. and i am tolerant of everyone except for intolerant CUNTS like ann coulter.
@vince33x please just stop talking you insane fascist. the only canadians in the vietnam war were ones in the american military you lunatic. oh and was that around the time when slavery was on the rage? yeah, that's some great nation. seriously though, were you a supporter of george w bush?
@Wolfreys44 U better go back and read ur own history. There were Canadian troops in Vietnam and more than 100 were killed. Re: Fascist, I'm sure u have no clue as to what fascism is. I didn't support 'W' because I don't support Left-Wing Republicans who kowtow to Tel Aviv when is comes to deploying American Troops. Bush didn't have the backbone to stand up to Tel Aviv and the 'Amen corner' in the USA, which demanded American troops be used to take out Sadaam Hussein, who posed no threat 2 USA.
@vince33x oh and i am left wing btw, because i'm not a rich and selfish asshole who obsesses only about my "tax dollars" because i don't want to fork up a small percentage of my money for simple social privileges, like say universal healthcare? sorry for wanting society to move forward
@Wolfreys44 Why would u obsess about something u don't have to lose? God only asked for one part in ten, the State deserves no more than that. The USA became the greatest, wealthiest nation on earth when the Federal gov't took less than 3% of Nat'l income u dumb bastard.
@vince33x Wow, thanks. It was a rhetorical question though. I knew this (don't mean to show off). I was just wondering if anyone had ever wondered why this channel would take on a name of a movement which has, some say, overthrown governments throughout history and replaced them with a Zionist enthused one (as there is not only the young turks, there is also the young Italians and others, said to have the same ideological origins, namely Zionist)
@Davidsenzacoloranti Well, Zionism goes back quite a bit farther than the term "The Young Turks. I believe Zionism goes back as far as the latter part of the 19th Century.
@vince33x sure, that's out of the question. "Officially" I think it was Herzl to coin the term with its usage today... But the ideology goes surely farther back. Sabbatai Zevi, Isaac Luria come to mind. Does the Young Turks channel feel "revolutionary"? Who knows...
@Davidsenzacoloranti If you want revolutionary, watch Stossel or Freedomwatch w/Judge Napolitano. They're the only two shows on TV that have any guts.
gay repubs, black repubs, female repubs, lower middle class repubs, poor repubs, all these people don't realize their party hates them. the list could be longer...jewish republicans...
so to sum up, cenk's just pissed that someone realized he's fucking retarded like a real-life down syndrome retard. jesus christ, what a fucking waste of the entire production effort invested in this shit... all six bucks' worth.
@IGotN0 ironic that cenk and his team continually mock conservatives for their bias... it's the kettle calling out the pot.... still, Cenk is smarter than his Fox news counterparts.
@chadimus84 You clearly don't understand fractional reserve banking, the financial sector, history of corporate violence/crime, the history of economic hitmen/CIA covert imperialism, assassinations of union workers, wall street corruption etc. etc. etc. to come out with that kind of bullshit.
@chadimus84 Because greed is defined as "an excessive desire to possess wealth, goods, or abstract things of value with the intention to keep it for one's self." Wanting to keep what you earn fits the definition perfectly. I'm not saying it's good or bad...but it is greedy.
In the end, the GOPride guy agrees with most of the Republican viewpoints and prioritizes those before the gay issues. More Americans need to vote for a third party, simple as that. Not voting accomplishes nothing. For too many people, voting for either of the two parties is an unsatisfying compromise.
Saw the MSNBC interview, I like you Cenk, I like you calling out hipocrasy, injustice and the like, but that was a disgraceful interview. "You've gotta wake up, man"?!?!?! Did not respect the interviewee or the viewers. We'll decide how we feel on a topic, don't decide it for us, and certainly don't try to belittle the other's argument, let it speak for itself. I'm gonna say it...it reminded me of Bill O'Reilly.
Excellent commentary, Cenk. Way to tell it like it is!!! I'm proud of you for taking the high road and mercifully not attacking Ann Coulter any more than was called for. I don't always agree with everything you say but I can trust that you have no agenda except to say what you believe.
@davefordavefor Of course this retard would ban Ann Coulter. The Left can't handle anyone with a good argument so they just take their ball and go home. The Left is Evil Scum because their raison d' etra is ENVY and THEFT.
@vince33x My point exactly. See, if you were thinking intelligently you would have realized that "does not belong" (a suggestion) is not the the equivalent of "ban" (prohibited by authority). The reason I SUGGESTED that the word "evil" be left out of intelligent conversation is because it leads to irrational extremes.
[See your previous post for an example of an irrational extreme]
@vince33x hmmm, it would make us alienate ourselves from the men involved in that horrific moment in human history, and forget that, it was average men, just like you and me who carried out those mass murders.
@hugga4u It was avg. men and women who gave the Nazis enough political power so that Hitler and the Nazi Party could maneuver its was toward total control of the German state. The Nazis garnered 44% of the vote in 1933 and the Communists got 12% - thus the two thug parties received 56% of the vote! The people, it must never be forgotten, were responsible for the rise of the Nazi Party and the worldwide slaughter that followed. (60 to 80 million died in WWII).
@vince33x oversimplification of the situation. Avg people at the time were experiencing severe hyperinflation partly brought about by the economic conditions the victors of WWI imposed in Nazi Germany, causing people in Germany to act desperately in extremely desperate times. If anything the election of the Nazi party showed that those in power still shouldn't gloat over their victories too much because the consequences could be horrendous. The UK, France et. al. learnt a harsh lesson from this.
@liftwell What "oversimplification" this is a typical Left-Wing code word for people who are clueless..."I'll just say "oversimplification" and dismiss the argument. Sorry pal, but voters, in enough numbers gave the Nazis the power they needed to maneuver into total control. Let me repeat: In 1933, 56% of the German people voted for either the Nazis or the Communists. That's a frightening prospect and a fact. it is not "oversimplification." What was horrendous was the consequences wrought by
@vince33x wow, you just seemed to read the first four words of my comment and then go on a tirade. You just seemed to be focused on one fact in which I do not deny but completely seemed to ignore all others that led to the Nazis gaining power in Germany. Using facts selectively and not looking at the whole picture is typical of clueless right wing pundit. Shouting louder doesn't make your statement any more convincing.
@liftwell What tirade? I'm just stating what the voters in Germany did in 1933. There is no justification for those given the responsibility of choosing their leaders for being so ill-informed as to vote for Nazis or Communists. If people are inclined to be that lazy, then they ought not be afforded the right to vote. When morons are allowed to vote, morons, charlatans, and/or thugs are likely to get elected. What that 56% of German voters did was both reprehensible and inexcusable.
@vince33x again you just seem to read the first sentence of my commment and ignore the rest. Keep providing evidence for me buddy. The fact that you simply you don't understand the context of the situation. Germany only had about 20-30 years of true democracy at the time and it wasn't working well for them, their was unbearable pressure on the German economic system to pay reparations to the victors of WWI. Both Communism and Fascism was in its infancy as a doctrine.
@liftwell Germany was arguably the highest culture in all of Europe during the early part of the 20th Century. It was a leader in industry, the arts, architecture, music, and film. Communism and Fascism are just variations on tribal tyranny that has existed since the dawn of man, their mantra is a little more sophisticated that's all. In any event, there is no excusing them again - for 56% of their population voting for two thuggish ideologies. Now, would u like to know why Germany signed
@vince33x the fact that your expressed belief in that morons, charlatans or thugs aren't allowed to vote shows that your are starting to show Fascist ideals as well. Democracy but not for all huh?
@vince33x Fascism: A system of government that expresses and enforces intolerant views towards a particular group or group(s) of people. Kind of links the belief on restricting the right to vote quite well as a Fascist idea.
@liftwell No, Fascism is a political-economic system in which the Private Sector is tightly controlled through High taxes and tight regulations. Government closely overseas the actions of the Private Sector. It may or may not exhibit intolerance toward some ethnic or racial groups. Sounds petty familiar, doesn't it? Fascism is usually the last step before Socialism and eventually Totalitarianism - the Total State.
@vince33x you were right untill you said fascism is the step before socialism. I hate to say it, but it doesnt sound like you know what socialism is, and if you claim you do, it sounds like the misnomer used to describe Stalinism in the cold war era. Socialism is not meant to be totalitarian.
@UtopiaMinor666 I absolutely luv ur (unintended) observation: "Socialism is not meant to be totalitarian." Of course it isn't, it just turns out that way. C.S. Lewis on the subject: "Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely excersised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under Robber Barons than under omnipotent, moral busybodies. The Robber Baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may sometimes be satiaited; but those who torment us for
@vince33x our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." I've never heard Socialism damned so eloquently. And it's true. No ideology of man has murdered so many people - 120,000,000 in the 20th Century alone!
@vince33x According to leftist theology.Some people are murdered for good reason.They like conformity nice and tidy.With state sanctions behind the executions.
@vince33x That sounds like a critique of christian nationalism if you ask me, perfectly convergent within an omnipotent cult of personality, but socialism, this idealogy has failed to be adequately performed. You cite, russia, china, N Korea, the phillipines, Cuba, places i would argue socialism has never taken hold. The theory is counterpoint to the atrocities carried out under the false name. So back to my original post, socialism is not a step before fascism in any case.
@UtopiaMinor666 The Left have been saying this baloney for decades: "Well, Cuba & Russia weren't really Socialist." That's akin to saying the USA isn't really 'Capitalist.' But as far as the real world is concerned this is how the two systems have manifested themselves. BTW, Fascism is the last step before Socialism, not the other way around.
@vince33x Russia and Cuba werent states where workers were in control of production on goods or services, so how were they socialist? Russia was poor nations setup by a central hierarchy of power by josef stalin, where in which he subsequently purged his party, making himself into a minor deity, to where Putin has already sanctioned pictures of him with a halo around his head (google it). This is authoritarian, not socialist. And if you believe the US practices capitalist as adam smith saw it...
@UtopiaMinor666 Ur words: "Russia and Cuba werent states where workers were in control of production on goods or services..." OK, name a single State where workers are in control of the production of goods and services. As for ur statement on Russia, u obviously know nothing of the history surrounding the Russian Revolution. BTW, under Putin, the tax rate was cut to 15% and the ruble was allowed to float. Probably why the media hate him. Re: what I said about SA Capitalism, read my post again.
@vince33x Why should a name a state where workers are in this sort of control when no such state exists, which is why i said russia and cuba are not socialist. And im sure my knowledge on the russian revolution far exceeds yours, otherwise you would know what you were talking about, except for the constant drivel. And you did say quite a lot about state capitalism by defending the claim that america is capitalist. I said not according to adam smith, US is state capitalist.
@UtopiaMinor666 Ur ridiculous, of course there is no state that perfectly fits any definition of Capitalist or socialist. All states are 'variations on a theme. The whole problem w/u idiots on the Left is the belief that u can achieve perfection here on earth. So the question gets down to which system can create the most wealth and clearly, that is capitalism. And, as it was practiced in the USA, it created more wealth than any society in history. Less gov't, history has shown, equals more
@vince33x wealth. Look at the Heritage Foundation's list of the freest nations, they all happen to be the most prosperous and the nations most people wish to emigrate to. People may vote socialist - because most people are stupid and fall for the empty rhetoric, but when it comes to actually wanting to live somewhere, they choose the 'evil, capitalist, West.' Especially the USA.
@vince33x but the culmination of capital, and its inevitable collapse, was forseen by both marx, and the creator of the philosophy, adam smith. The problem with the right is they think laissez faire will somehow perserve the markey, when smith himself knew that regulation is necessary. Captialism during the industrial revolution made america rich, state capital (which you mistakenly argue as "variation") is not a good thing, it has led to the housing collapse and a bought congress...
@UtopiaMinor666 I have never stated that State Capitalism is a good thing, but we are moving in that direction: AMTRAK, USPS, Solyndra, FISKER, and numerous other state-sponsored enterprises. BTW, it was the American Left, who in the 30s, thought HItler and Mussolini were achieving great things.
@UtopiaMinor666 The problem w/most people is the failure of them to see the morality that is inherent in Capitalism and devoid in Socialism. ENVY and THEFT are evil and they form the cornerstone of Socialist belief.
@vince33x I believe normally i would be blown away by a comment like that, but you consistently view socialism as a doctrine that it is not, primarily becuase socialism could never be the product of envy and theft, when its about collectivism and shared sacrifice. Look at the spanish civil war for affirmation, the idealogoy of capitalism is preciscely the sort of thin that begats envy and theft. dont misinterpret me though, i am one for the capitalist system, but with ovious tweaks applied.
@UtopiaMinor666 I agree w/u in as much as Socialism is about collectivism, then u go off the rails and say: "shared sacrifice." If u were accurate u'd have said: "forced sacrifice." hey way Socialism is achieved is through the fomenting of ENVY and the implementation of "legalized theft (e.g.> progressive and high tax rates). What's w/the non-sequitor on the Spanish Civil War? Oh yea, what r the "obvious tweaks" u think need to be applied?
@vince33x Once again, here you are mistaking socialism for athoritarian governements, and Current america as a socialist state, when i've told you repeatedly "there is no worker production/ ownership of companies." Your failure to realize this is very telling, as for the Spanish Civil war, if you knew about it, you would understand how it wasa socialist period in Catalonia, you need to read more, your bias speaks volumes that your intelligence fails to counterpoint.
@UtopiaMinor666 The Spanish Civil War was a battle between the 'Republicans' (who were really Socialists and Communists) and Franco's Fascists. It was about whether or not Spain would become a Communist Country. Stalin backed the so-called Republicans and Hitler and Mussolini backed Franco's Fascists. The Republicans have been romanticized in history books, novels, and movies, but they were every bit as thuggish as Franco's cohorts.
@vince33x There is no morality in Capitalism, it is individualism at its finest. The problem with Socialism is that it is too moral, they want pure equality. Both systems suck...You shouldn't run a country on labels.
@TheDudeReborn Capitalism is purely moral because it is based on VOLUNTARY transactions. Socialism is immoral because its transactions are based on gov't FORCE and COERCION. Just what do u think are the mechanisms by which Socialism achieves "pure equality?" And WTF does this remark mean: "You shouldn't run a country on labels." WTF does that mean?
@vince33x and lastly, socialism was the building block for worker organiszation and workers protected rights in early american twentieth century, with certain socialist politicians gaining over one million votes for president, the capitalist didnt want this, instead smeared socialism, and out of fear, backed the rise of fascism in germany. No capitalism isnt evil, only the blind nationalist who believe its infallible.
@vince33x Simply calling your opposition idiots doesnt count as argument, and only proves the lack of intelligence of the person giving it, now when did i ever say i was searching for perfection on Earth? In fact, when did MARX? The problem with allowing someone on the right to define their opponents position is the definition of fallacy. No leftist is hardly touting Utopia like thomas More presumed, but you claim capitalism to be that which made america wealthy, and it did for a time...
@vince33x then you are just wrong. Adam smith knew markets were good, and the only way to end feudalism, to create a wealthy nation through industrialization. As chomsky points out, the onlycountries that have gotten rich by this are those who practice state subsidizing, which is how america does it. Marx told the path from capitalism, to socialism, to the stateless society of communism, so again, i postulate, how is the authoritarian fascism prior to socialism which is a step before anarchy
@vince33x Nazis are idealists just like any other group of people. Their ideals during WWII lead to discrimination and mass murder. However, simply calling them "evil" and leaving it at that is childish and closes the door to any further inquiry.
And yes, it does lead to an irrational extreme because "rational" implies that you actually know something about the Nazi party, not that someone told you they were "evil" so you believed them.
@Aldridge517 Ur a complete idiot - "Nazis are idealists" (I presume u mean 'were')? The Nazis were thugs and homicidal maniacs. But in ur twisted world view, thugs and homicidal maniacs r not 'evil.' The subject of Nazism is closed. They were an evil and sick political movement that was rightly crushed out of existence. The Nazis were the very essence of 'irrational' which is why they held out until Germany was utterly destroyed.
@Aldridge517 WTF R U TALKING ABOUT??? THEY ARE EVIL!!! PURE AND SIMPLE!!! THEY WERE MANIPULATED BY SATAN AND HIS MINIONS! IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT THEN JUS GO BY WAT THEY DID! WHICH IS KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE! ARE U FUGN KIDDING ME? NO MATTER WHICH WAY U LOOK AT IT THEY ALL ARE EVIL AND SHOULD BE BRANDED AS SUCH! PERIOD!!!
@Midnite4Life777 Typing in all caps isn't how you have an intelligent conversation either. Fact: People who use the word "evil" to describe things in everyday life are far too emotional to have a calm and rational dialogue. Typing in all caps is a perfect example of an "irrational extreme". Plus, "satan and his minion"..... come on dude, this conversation has gone to nutty land.
@Aldridge517 A good argument? Seriously? HAHAHAHAHA! I cant stand the sissy little nancys on the Left, but brainwashed Conservative morons are no better. And that's exactly what Ann Coulter is.
@vince33x No...the left is sick of putting up with lousy arguements so rather then trying to explain to the right how to metaphorically dribble the darn ball, we're taking the ball and hanging out with people who know how to play.
Also, a right winger accusing the left of envy and theft is laughable, unless you're living in a mirror universe.
@ChakatBlackstar The Left's whole political language is based on ENVY, THEFT, COERCION, and FORCE. Just listen to the nitwit-in-chief, he constantly uses words like: 'mandate', 'require,' and 'rule.' He thinks he can re-order society through the FORCE of gov't. Believing in the use of Force is NOT believing in freedom of choice (except, of course, when it comes to killing babies, 1,000 of which are murdered every day via abortion).
@vince33x As opposed to the right who are constantly cutting taxes for the rich and trying to take away stuff to help the poor or that they'd rather spend money on an overinflated military then on our schools and our children, and interfere with our personal lives, telling us who we can and can't marry, and if you don't meet their standards they accuse you of being evil and degenerate? Envy, Theft, Coercion, Force are all in there, and for the finale they push for a fascist theocracy!
@ChakatBlackstar 1st of all nimrod, there is only one true Right-Wing candidate and he is Ron Paul, who will cut the Military's budget in half but unlike u and the Left, he'd give the savings back to those who earned the money in the 1st place, not to the tax-takers who suckle on the teats of taxpayers. 2nd, the top 1% of earners pay 37% of all Fed taxes; the top 10% pay 71% of all Fed taxes; and the bottom 50% pay only 2.3% of Fed taxes. So ur just plain wrong u idiot.
@vince33x Seriously? You're going to play the "no true Scotsman" fallacy? And how much of their own income did they pay taxes on? I don't care what percentage of the overall taxes they're paying. I just want them to actually pay their fair share. Why should they be rewarded by the government just because they were more successful or better at conning people depending on their career? And they still insist on interfering with our personal lives. that says more about them then anything.
@ChakatBlackstar Listen to urself. U sound like a paranoid cynic. FYI, the top 1% paid about 30% of their income in Fed. taxes. The middle class paid 15% (on avg.) of their income in taxes. So, in terms of pct of income, the top 1% paid twice the tax rate as the middle class. U say: "pay their fair share." Who determines that? U? The top 1% aren't "rewarded by the government," most created enterprises that satisfied the wants and needs of consumers (Ford, Chrysler, Edison, Blank, etc.).
@vince33x It means, my zealous friend, that you shouldn't run a country to satisfy a political view, you should take the measures appropriate for the nation, not just choosing CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM or FASCISM and hoping it fits the country.
@TheDudeReborn Then I repeat: Capitalism is purely moral because it is based on VOLUNTARY transactions. Socialism is immoral because its transactions are based on gov't FORCE and COERCION. Just what do u think are the mechanisms by which Socialism achieves "pure equality?"
@vince33x Pure Capitalism is AMORAL, it does not care for right or wrong as long as a profit is gained.
America is not Capitalist, its Corporate Socialism - Companies provide politicians with cash & receive funds in return, the dream of every "businessman" is to get a government contract, because once you latch on to the Governments teat your set for life.
@xdir Capitalism is moral because it is based on VOLUNTARY exchange; Socialism is immoral because it is based on: ENVY, THEFT, FORCE and COERCION. Capitalism operates w/the PROFIT motive, which serves to keep costs low and innovation high, which benefits the consumer. In Socialism, there is no profit motive or competition, so there is no incentive to keep costs low or to innovate, nor is there any incentive to use resources efficiently, which is why the USSR and Red China were so polluted.
@vince33x America, while getting worse - especially under the current nitwit, Obama - is still very much a capitalist nation. U can lie all u want, but the bulk of the means of production and distribution are still held in Private hands, though, I agree, the Dems want to create a 'corporatist state.' Ur words: " the dream of every "businessman" is to get a government contract." Pure baloney! Most enterprises derive very little of their revenue from gov't contracts and those that do, mostly have
@vince33x thin margins. Take Ford. They do some gov't contracts: Police, Fed. vehicle fleets but those contracts have very little profit in them. Ford's highest margins come from retail sales. If u knew anything about business u'd know this. Ur ignorance is only exceeded by ur idiocy.
In all fairness, she has a point.
riddlemeshit 9 hours ago
Ann Coulter is never attractive.
Hemmersfield1 12 hours ago
This is the hypocritical thing Ann has ever said..
calling someone else a retard?
when she herself
supergluehurricane 17 hours ago
This country will collapse unless people stop with this left and right bullshit. We have to restore the American Dream and that will only be accomplished when you get people back to their own self reliance and off the tit of government.
samspade1957 1 day ago
@samspade1957 "This country will collapse unless people stop with this left and right bullshit" accept that it will collapse then, human nature dictates people will entrench themselves in camps and demonize the "other." sorry, i'm a pessimist, but unless we get invaded or something we'll always be divided
BillKiernan 1 day ago
@samspade1957
"when you get people back to their own self reliance and off the tit of government."
Hilarious you say stop with the left right bs yet you spew the right bs.
lmao fucking dumb ass.
mecher3k 1 hour ago
"we're sittin' here killin' ourselves defendin' you"!
cenk is a condescending, turkish, $h*tbag!
graysonTW 1 day ago
@graysonTW lol....grow up fag.
awsumpossum1 1 day ago
I've never agreed with Cenk more.
fulaqws 1 day ago
Look, bottom line is that you can still be gay and for killing people overseas and vote democrat. The only difference between R and D is that at the very least democrats tend to lean liberally on social issues like gay rights.
enlightenedone676 1 day ago
I totally agree with Cenk on this one. You have to be one hell of a sellout to side with people who are against your very existence.
MrSteveykk 2 days ago 4
cut her hair, she would like a male boxer
Martinez1887 4 days ago
Ann Coulter is poison....you are right to ban her.
Jeffersonwazright 4 days ago
Ann, you are a true snatch!
KyaniDave 4 days ago
262 people think BArron did a great job even though they hate him.
jfrsnjhnsn 4 days ago
Barron is just like JC Watts. They found a niche in a party that hates them but that needs a FEW of them as tokens, and they can live well as long as they accept that role.
jfrsnjhnsn 4 days ago
I like your political positions, Turks, and I share most of your political philosophies. But I really think you guys are mean spirited and just not nice. You all come across as very mean and not nice people.
bearo657 4 days ago
@bearo657 How are they not nice?
jfrsnjhnsn 4 days ago
Who cares what Ann Counter thinks. Shrivelled, hateful bitch.
LoneRookRS1 5 days ago
Cenk you rock man, lots of love from Istanbul... Take care ...
Cettolini 5 days ago
Coulter is a typical Douchebag! But, all Conservative females are!
jrwel14 6 days ago
You can be greedy and be gay hahahaha
andstrel11 6 days ago
Somebody either drop a house on here or douse her with a bucket of water already.
Medallion2006 1 week ago
@Medallion2006 That's how you stop witches not bitches.
TheDeadApple 6 days ago
It is truly a shame that the consitutional party, the individual rights party, the capitalist party, has gotten so tied up in religious pandering, that they forget that all of these things are defensible without an appeal to the will of God as stated in the Holy Bible, and indeed more sensibly and consistently, and I would argue effectively, defended. The American system being a two-party system, it makes sense to rely on purging the Republican party when you identify with their core principles.
eggory 1 week ago
@eggory The 'American system' is NOT a two party system, it just worked out that way, and it stays that way now, because it's the one thing both republicans and democrats agree on--don't let anyone else play the game.
alaskafido 5 days ago
@alaskafido You make it sound so hopeless, as if the two current mainstream parties have rigged the system beyond repair already, and there's nothing you and your fellow constituents can do about it. Either it is the way it is because the people have allowed it, or it IS a two-party system. I do believe that it is legal to run as a third party candidate, it's just disadvantageous at the moment, and since both parties are already fairly diverse, there's really no need.
eggory 5 days ago
Hahaha what a glorious tweet. The Republican party is traditionally the party of individual rights, whereas the democratic party is traditionally the party of group rights. I think the main argument is over whether gay rights are best defended as group rights, or individual rights. It's clear that many people favour the republican party only for its potential to be steered where they want, without regard for where it currently stands, e.g. Ron Paul, whom Cenk does not question on those grounds.
eggory 1 week ago
How insulted gays must be from the meer existance of gay Republicans: even more irony.
gumpydoood 1 week ago
Ann Coulter calling someone else retarded. . .oh the sweet irony!!!
gumpydoood 1 week ago
damn- it I usually skip the adds but his one as star trek now I gotta watch
talkindurinthemovie 1 week ago
Ooh, I think Cenk came off as too much of an advocate and too argumentative in the interview. Let the guy talk and let the viewer make their own decision.
ultim4t32 1 week ago
Am I missing the whole point here? Who cares if a soldier is gay or not? More to the point: why should anyone care? Blood is red no matter what your sexual orientation is. I am just so proud of any soldier who is willing to sacrafice their lives for the rest of us. Gay or straight...geeze (R)America: Focus on what is important not your own personal views.
thephleblady 1 week ago
@thephleblady Well our soldiers ought not be sacrificing their lives in Proxy Wars for the State of Israel, like the War in Iraq or the coming War against Iran. We should let Israeli soldiers fight Israeli Wars.
vince33x 1 week ago
Its called denial Cenk
Scallopshell98 1 week ago
That Gay republican is so lacking in facts, illogical, and absurd that i actually believe he's a republican.
algeeman 1 week ago
Even your average Joe republican votes against their best interest supporting the republican party. It must be an attempt at self-hate on their part. As for the gay guy, he sounds like the kind of person who would bring a rope to his own lynching.
robhex 1 week ago
they both retarded
PhilippoChannel 1 week ago
Is this guy serious? How did he get a spot on anyone network. Oh, He is an MSNBC contributor!! Now I understand.They have the "spitter" Mathews, the crazy Ed Shultz, mumble mouth Al Sharpton, the "man-girl" Maddow, and of course that angry little guy that no one knows his name.They make Hannity, Beck, and O'Rielly look straight.Go CNN! Another thing,I spent 3 years in the army, one of which was in combat. I'm sure there were gays in my outfit, but I never knew it and furthermore didn't care!
coleyman1 1 week ago
''Conservatives are much more tolerant even though we hate their God dam lifestyle and gay agenda, what! Did I say that out loud?'' ROFLMFAO Cenk is hilarious. XD
Zed1967 1 week ago 2
You'd have to be eehm...gay? No that's not it...Republican? No that ain't it...conservative! No, no that's no good either...can't seem to figure it out.
TheRacistsMustDie 1 week ago
@TheRacistsMustDie Sounds as though u have a tuf time figuring anything out...so go back to sleep.
vince33x 1 week ago
ann coulter is the dumbest fucking cunt on earth
Wolfreys44 1 week ago
@Wolfreys44 Typical civil rant of a Left-Wing moron...so tolerant, aren't u?
vince33x 1 week ago
@Wolfreys44 Typical civil rant of a Left-Wing moron...so tolerant, aren't u?
vince33x 1 week ago
@vince33x shhh shhh. because i am calling her a dumb cunt, doesn't at all mean i'm left wing, to agree with the majority of what this woman says, is essentially being a complete moron, she thinks canada sent troops to vietnam. and i am tolerant of everyone except for intolerant CUNTS like ann coulter.
Wolfreys44 1 week ago
@Wolfreys44 Ms Coulter was correct. There were Canadian troops in Vietnam and more than 100 were killed there, thus it is u who is the dumb TNUC.
vince33x 1 week ago
@vince33x please just stop talking you insane fascist. the only canadians in the vietnam war were ones in the american military you lunatic. oh and was that around the time when slavery was on the rage? yeah, that's some great nation. seriously though, were you a supporter of george w bush?
Wolfreys44 1 week ago
@Wolfreys44 U better go back and read ur own history. There were Canadian troops in Vietnam and more than 100 were killed. Re: Fascist, I'm sure u have no clue as to what fascism is. I didn't support 'W' because I don't support Left-Wing Republicans who kowtow to Tel Aviv when is comes to deploying American Troops. Bush didn't have the backbone to stand up to Tel Aviv and the 'Amen corner' in the USA, which demanded American troops be used to take out Sadaam Hussein, who posed no threat 2 USA.
vince33x 1 week ago
@vince33x shh
lordurgod 1 week ago
@lordurgod Talk softly but carry a big stick...is that it?
vince33x 1 week ago
@vince33x that's exactly it mate
lordurgod 1 week ago
@lordurgod Obviously, u r a man of great insight and perspicacity!
vince33x 1 week ago
@vince33x oh and i am left wing btw, because i'm not a rich and selfish asshole who obsesses only about my "tax dollars" because i don't want to fork up a small percentage of my money for simple social privileges, like say universal healthcare? sorry for wanting society to move forward
Wolfreys44 1 week ago
@Wolfreys44 Why would u obsess about something u don't have to lose? God only asked for one part in ten, the State deserves no more than that. The USA became the greatest, wealthiest nation on earth when the Federal gov't took less than 3% of Nat'l income u dumb bastard.
vince33x 1 week ago
She (It) looks and talks like a man who had a sex change gone bad!!!
stoogman 1 week ago
@stoogman Just more Left-Wing drivel from morons who have no arguments.
vince33x 1 week ago
Any one ever wondered why The Young Turks call themselves The Young Turks?
Davidsenzacoloranti 2 weeks ago
@Davidsenzacoloranti The Young Turks were the followers of Ataturk and it is a term that has come to mean "enthusiastic followers."
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x Wow, thanks. It was a rhetorical question though. I knew this (don't mean to show off). I was just wondering if anyone had ever wondered why this channel would take on a name of a movement which has, some say, overthrown governments throughout history and replaced them with a Zionist enthused one (as there is not only the young turks, there is also the young Italians and others, said to have the same ideological origins, namely Zionist)
Davidsenzacoloranti 2 weeks ago
@Davidsenzacoloranti Well, Zionism goes back quite a bit farther than the term "The Young Turks. I believe Zionism goes back as far as the latter part of the 19th Century.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x sure, that's out of the question. "Officially" I think it was Herzl to coin the term with its usage today... But the ideology goes surely farther back. Sabbatai Zevi, Isaac Luria come to mind. Does the Young Turks channel feel "revolutionary"? Who knows...
Davidsenzacoloranti 2 weeks ago
@Davidsenzacoloranti If you want revolutionary, watch Stossel or Freedomwatch w/Judge Napolitano. They're the only two shows on TV that have any guts.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
And yet if liberals were to use retarded to describe a republican Sarah Palin would lose it...
dibinism 2 weeks ago
gay repubs, black repubs, female repubs, lower middle class repubs, poor repubs, all these people don't realize their party hates them. the list could be longer...jewish republicans...
beastshawnee 2 weeks ago
typical uppity white bitch
o1o1s1 2 weeks ago
"Conservative logic" LMFAO! Greatest oxymoron ever!
socaliguy81 2 weeks ago
Cenk's the Man! The Goproud memebers are all brain washed stupid lol...
Equality4ya 2 weeks ago
conservatism is the inability to distinguish between fact and fantasy.
contacter 2 weeks ago
She is such a waste of skin.
contacter 2 weeks ago
C’mon Cenk, instead of ignoring this bimbette, you go ranting on for seven minutes
tweetmail87 2 weeks ago
Good Lord, I could only take about 60 seconds of Cenk's raving before I had to shut it off. What a loser.
willcate 2 weeks ago 2
so to sum up, cenk's just pissed that someone realized he's fucking retarded like a real-life down syndrome retard. jesus christ, what a fucking waste of the entire production effort invested in this shit... all six bucks' worth.
thirtyoneuniform 2 weeks ago
@thirtyoneuniform umadson?
eight18 2 weeks ago
@thirtyoneuniform
I'm pretty sure the subject was the GOPride interview. Cenk simply used Coulters comments as a way to introduce the topic.
Easy mistake to make, though. It can't be easy watching youtube with blinkers on.
AntitheistPOV 2 weeks ago
@thirtyoneuniform Oh snap, Ann Coulter has fanboys?!
LocoGroove 2 weeks ago
"Ann Coulter Calls MSNBC Host Cenk Uygur 'Retarded'..." ...funny, i was under the impression that ann coulter was always wrong! haha, lol...
thirtyoneuniforms 2 weeks ago
If it came down to living in Janks country or Anne's country... I'd pick Anne's.
MrBrational 2 weeks ago
True insanity...plain and simple.
spartan052582 2 weeks ago
Coulter has a non-reality bias.
gibsonkal 2 weeks ago
cenk is so biased towards the left... lol
hugga4u 2 weeks ago
@hugga4u TYT is a left wing show, so yes. He's got a left bias.
IGotN0 2 weeks ago
@IGotN0 ironic that cenk and his team continually mock conservatives for their bias... it's the kettle calling out the pot.... still, Cenk is smarter than his Fox news counterparts.
hugga4u 2 weeks ago
@hugga4u reality is so biased towards the left... lol
ChakatBlackstar 2 weeks ago
The thumbnail for this video looks like Micheal Bolton in a wig.
thesexofoneman 2 weeks ago
Truth stings doesn't it Cenk.
TheGoodFight916 2 weeks ago
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defdeelr 2 weeks ago
LOVE TYT!!!! KEEP IT UP!!!! FUCK THE HATERS!!!!! Midwest White Folks said this
Rimdoggg74 3 weeks ago
Ann Coulter is retarded.
DirtyAtreyu 3 weeks ago
@DirtyAtreyu retarded doesn't even come close to explaining her
claton95 3 weeks ago
why is it greedy to want to keep what you earn. cenk, you ignorant stooge.
chadimus84 3 weeks ago
@chadimus84 You clearly don't understand fractional reserve banking, the financial sector, history of corporate violence/crime, the history of economic hitmen/CIA covert imperialism, assassinations of union workers, wall street corruption etc. etc. etc. to come out with that kind of bullshit.
InvertedFox 3 weeks ago
@chadimus84 Because greed is defined as "an excessive desire to possess wealth, goods, or abstract things of value with the intention to keep it for one's self." Wanting to keep what you earn fits the definition perfectly. I'm not saying it's good or bad...but it is greedy.
ChakatBlackstar 2 weeks ago
@ChakatBlackstar Wanting to keep what you earn is 'greedy.' Just another example of how warped the thinking is on the Left.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
In the end, the GOPride guy agrees with most of the Republican viewpoints and prioritizes those before the gay issues. More Americans need to vote for a third party, simple as that. Not voting accomplishes nothing. For too many people, voting for either of the two parties is an unsatisfying compromise.
disagreer 3 weeks ago
Saw the MSNBC interview, I like you Cenk, I like you calling out hipocrasy, injustice and the like, but that was a disgraceful interview. "You've gotta wake up, man"?!?!?! Did not respect the interviewee or the viewers. We'll decide how we feel on a topic, don't decide it for us, and certainly don't try to belittle the other's argument, let it speak for itself. I'm gonna say it...it reminded me of Bill O'Reilly.
daemonllama78 3 weeks ago
Excellent commentary, Cenk. Way to tell it like it is!!! I'm proud of you for taking the high road and mercifully not attacking Ann Coulter any more than was called for. I don't always agree with everything you say but I can trust that you have no agenda except to say what you believe.
davefordavefor 3 weeks ago
@davefordavefor Of course this retard would ban Ann Coulter. The Left can't handle anyone with a good argument so they just take their ball and go home. The Left is Evil Scum because their raison d' etra is ENVY and THEFT.
vince33x 3 weeks ago
@vince33x lol
perfectdark158 3 weeks ago
@vince33x The word "evil" does not belong in an intelligent conversation.
Aldridge517 3 weeks ago
@Aldridge517 Anyone who wants to ban the word 'evil' doesn't want to engage in 'intelligent conversation.'
vince33x 3 weeks ago
@vince33x My point exactly. See, if you were thinking intelligently you would have realized that "does not belong" (a suggestion) is not the the equivalent of "ban" (prohibited by authority). The reason I SUGGESTED that the word "evil" be left out of intelligent conversation is because it leads to irrational extremes.
[See your previous post for an example of an irrational extreme]
Aldridge517 3 weeks ago
@Aldridge517 So, if you call Nazism 'evil' that will lead "to irrational extremes?" Ur kidding right?
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x hmmm, it would make us alienate ourselves from the men involved in that horrific moment in human history, and forget that, it was average men, just like you and me who carried out those mass murders.
hugga4u 2 weeks ago
@hugga4u It was avg. men and women who gave the Nazis enough political power so that Hitler and the Nazi Party could maneuver its was toward total control of the German state. The Nazis garnered 44% of the vote in 1933 and the Communists got 12% - thus the two thug parties received 56% of the vote! The people, it must never be forgotten, were responsible for the rise of the Nazi Party and the worldwide slaughter that followed. (60 to 80 million died in WWII).
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x oversimplification of the situation. Avg people at the time were experiencing severe hyperinflation partly brought about by the economic conditions the victors of WWI imposed in Nazi Germany, causing people in Germany to act desperately in extremely desperate times. If anything the election of the Nazi party showed that those in power still shouldn't gloat over their victories too much because the consequences could be horrendous. The UK, France et. al. learnt a harsh lesson from this.
liftwell 2 weeks ago
@liftwell correction Weimar Germany, not Nazi Germany.
liftwell 2 weeks ago
@liftwell What "oversimplification" this is a typical Left-Wing code word for people who are clueless..."I'll just say "oversimplification" and dismiss the argument. Sorry pal, but voters, in enough numbers gave the Nazis the power they needed to maneuver into total control. Let me repeat: In 1933, 56% of the German people voted for either the Nazis or the Communists. That's a frightening prospect and a fact. it is not "oversimplification." What was horrendous was the consequences wrought by
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x German voters who planted the seeds for the most destructive war in mankind's history!
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x wow, you just seemed to read the first four words of my comment and then go on a tirade. You just seemed to be focused on one fact in which I do not deny but completely seemed to ignore all others that led to the Nazis gaining power in Germany. Using facts selectively and not looking at the whole picture is typical of clueless right wing pundit. Shouting louder doesn't make your statement any more convincing.
liftwell 2 weeks ago
@liftwell What tirade? I'm just stating what the voters in Germany did in 1933. There is no justification for those given the responsibility of choosing their leaders for being so ill-informed as to vote for Nazis or Communists. If people are inclined to be that lazy, then they ought not be afforded the right to vote. When morons are allowed to vote, morons, charlatans, and/or thugs are likely to get elected. What that 56% of German voters did was both reprehensible and inexcusable.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x again you just seem to read the first sentence of my commment and ignore the rest. Keep providing evidence for me buddy. The fact that you simply you don't understand the context of the situation. Germany only had about 20-30 years of true democracy at the time and it wasn't working well for them, their was unbearable pressure on the German economic system to pay reparations to the victors of WWI. Both Communism and Fascism was in its infancy as a doctrine.
liftwell 2 weeks ago
@liftwell Germany was arguably the highest culture in all of Europe during the early part of the 20th Century. It was a leader in industry, the arts, architecture, music, and film. Communism and Fascism are just variations on tribal tyranny that has existed since the dawn of man, their mantra is a little more sophisticated that's all. In any event, there is no excusing them again - for 56% of their population voting for two thuggish ideologies. Now, would u like to know why Germany signed
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x an armistice that led to their economic collapse?
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x the fact that your expressed belief in that morons, charlatans or thugs aren't allowed to vote shows that your are starting to show Fascist ideals as well. Democracy but not for all huh?
liftwell 2 weeks ago
@liftwell So, you believe it's OK for morons, charlatans, and thugs to vote? BTW, how do u define Fascism?
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x Fascism: A system of government that expresses and enforces intolerant views towards a particular group or group(s) of people. Kind of links the belief on restricting the right to vote quite well as a Fascist idea.
liftwell 2 weeks ago
@liftwell No, Fascism is a political-economic system in which the Private Sector is tightly controlled through High taxes and tight regulations. Government closely overseas the actions of the Private Sector. It may or may not exhibit intolerance toward some ethnic or racial groups. Sounds petty familiar, doesn't it? Fascism is usually the last step before Socialism and eventually Totalitarianism - the Total State.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x you were right untill you said fascism is the step before socialism. I hate to say it, but it doesnt sound like you know what socialism is, and if you claim you do, it sounds like the misnomer used to describe Stalinism in the cold war era. Socialism is not meant to be totalitarian.
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 I absolutely luv ur (unintended) observation: "Socialism is not meant to be totalitarian." Of course it isn't, it just turns out that way. C.S. Lewis on the subject: "Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely excersised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under Robber Barons than under omnipotent, moral busybodies. The Robber Baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may sometimes be satiaited; but those who torment us for
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." I've never heard Socialism damned so eloquently. And it's true. No ideology of man has murdered so many people - 120,000,000 in the 20th Century alone!
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x According to leftist theology.Some people are murdered for good reason.They like conformity nice and tidy.With state sanctions behind the executions.
Pomiferous 2 weeks ago
@Pomiferous The Left survives via: Envy, Theft, Force, and Coercion. It is, therefore: EVIL.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x That sounds like a critique of christian nationalism if you ask me, perfectly convergent within an omnipotent cult of personality, but socialism, this idealogy has failed to be adequately performed. You cite, russia, china, N Korea, the phillipines, Cuba, places i would argue socialism has never taken hold. The theory is counterpoint to the atrocities carried out under the false name. So back to my original post, socialism is not a step before fascism in any case.
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 The Left have been saying this baloney for decades: "Well, Cuba & Russia weren't really Socialist." That's akin to saying the USA isn't really 'Capitalist.' But as far as the real world is concerned this is how the two systems have manifested themselves. BTW, Fascism is the last step before Socialism, not the other way around.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x Russia and Cuba werent states where workers were in control of production on goods or services, so how were they socialist? Russia was poor nations setup by a central hierarchy of power by josef stalin, where in which he subsequently purged his party, making himself into a minor deity, to where Putin has already sanctioned pictures of him with a halo around his head (google it). This is authoritarian, not socialist. And if you believe the US practices capitalist as adam smith saw it...
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 Ur words: "Russia and Cuba werent states where workers were in control of production on goods or services..." OK, name a single State where workers are in control of the production of goods and services. As for ur statement on Russia, u obviously know nothing of the history surrounding the Russian Revolution. BTW, under Putin, the tax rate was cut to 15% and the ruble was allowed to float. Probably why the media hate him. Re: what I said about SA Capitalism, read my post again.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x Why should a name a state where workers are in this sort of control when no such state exists, which is why i said russia and cuba are not socialist. And im sure my knowledge on the russian revolution far exceeds yours, otherwise you would know what you were talking about, except for the constant drivel. And you did say quite a lot about state capitalism by defending the claim that america is capitalist. I said not according to adam smith, US is state capitalist.
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 Ur ridiculous, of course there is no state that perfectly fits any definition of Capitalist or socialist. All states are 'variations on a theme. The whole problem w/u idiots on the Left is the belief that u can achieve perfection here on earth. So the question gets down to which system can create the most wealth and clearly, that is capitalism. And, as it was practiced in the USA, it created more wealth than any society in history. Less gov't, history has shown, equals more
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x wealth. Look at the Heritage Foundation's list of the freest nations, they all happen to be the most prosperous and the nations most people wish to emigrate to. People may vote socialist - because most people are stupid and fall for the empty rhetoric, but when it comes to actually wanting to live somewhere, they choose the 'evil, capitalist, West.' Especially the USA.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
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UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@vince33x but the culmination of capital, and its inevitable collapse, was forseen by both marx, and the creator of the philosophy, adam smith. The problem with the right is they think laissez faire will somehow perserve the markey, when smith himself knew that regulation is necessary. Captialism during the industrial revolution made america rich, state capital (which you mistakenly argue as "variation") is not a good thing, it has led to the housing collapse and a bought congress...
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 I have never stated that State Capitalism is a good thing, but we are moving in that direction: AMTRAK, USPS, Solyndra, FISKER, and numerous other state-sponsored enterprises. BTW, it was the American Left, who in the 30s, thought HItler and Mussolini were achieving great things.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 The problem w/most people is the failure of them to see the morality that is inherent in Capitalism and devoid in Socialism. ENVY and THEFT are evil and they form the cornerstone of Socialist belief.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x I believe normally i would be blown away by a comment like that, but you consistently view socialism as a doctrine that it is not, primarily becuase socialism could never be the product of envy and theft, when its about collectivism and shared sacrifice. Look at the spanish civil war for affirmation, the idealogoy of capitalism is preciscely the sort of thin that begats envy and theft. dont misinterpret me though, i am one for the capitalist system, but with ovious tweaks applied.
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 I agree w/u in as much as Socialism is about collectivism, then u go off the rails and say: "shared sacrifice." If u were accurate u'd have said: "forced sacrifice." hey way Socialism is achieved is through the fomenting of ENVY and the implementation of "legalized theft (e.g.> progressive and high tax rates). What's w/the non-sequitor on the Spanish Civil War? Oh yea, what r the "obvious tweaks" u think need to be applied?
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x Once again, here you are mistaking socialism for athoritarian governements, and Current america as a socialist state, when i've told you repeatedly "there is no worker production/ ownership of companies." Your failure to realize this is very telling, as for the Spanish Civil war, if you knew about it, you would understand how it wasa socialist period in Catalonia, you need to read more, your bias speaks volumes that your intelligence fails to counterpoint.
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 The Spanish Civil War was a battle between the 'Republicans' (who were really Socialists and Communists) and Franco's Fascists. It was about whether or not Spain would become a Communist Country. Stalin backed the so-called Republicans and Hitler and Mussolini backed Franco's Fascists. The Republicans have been romanticized in history books, novels, and movies, but they were every bit as thuggish as Franco's cohorts.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x There is no morality in Capitalism, it is individualism at its finest. The problem with Socialism is that it is too moral, they want pure equality. Both systems suck...You shouldn't run a country on labels.
TheDudeReborn 2 weeks ago
@TheDudeReborn Capitalism is purely moral because it is based on VOLUNTARY transactions. Socialism is immoral because its transactions are based on gov't FORCE and COERCION. Just what do u think are the mechanisms by which Socialism achieves "pure equality?" And WTF does this remark mean: "You shouldn't run a country on labels." WTF does that mean?
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x and lastly, socialism was the building block for worker organiszation and workers protected rights in early american twentieth century, with certain socialist politicians gaining over one million votes for president, the capitalist didnt want this, instead smeared socialism, and out of fear, backed the rise of fascism in germany. No capitalism isnt evil, only the blind nationalist who believe its infallible.
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
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@vince33x Simply calling your opposition idiots doesnt count as argument, and only proves the lack of intelligence of the person giving it, now when did i ever say i was searching for perfection on Earth? In fact, when did MARX? The problem with allowing someone on the right to define their opponents position is the definition of fallacy. No leftist is hardly touting Utopia like thomas More presumed, but you claim capitalism to be that which made america wealthy, and it did for a time...
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@UtopiaMinor666 proving that it's impossible and stupid
jungleman68 2 weeks ago
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UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
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@vince33x then you are just wrong. Adam smith knew markets were good, and the only way to end feudalism, to create a wealthy nation through industrialization. As chomsky points out, the onlycountries that have gotten rich by this are those who practice state subsidizing, which is how america does it. Marx told the path from capitalism, to socialism, to the stateless society of communism, so again, i postulate, how is the authoritarian fascism prior to socialism which is a step before anarchy
UtopiaMinor666 2 weeks ago
@vince33x Nazis are idealists just like any other group of people. Their ideals during WWII lead to discrimination and mass murder. However, simply calling them "evil" and leaving it at that is childish and closes the door to any further inquiry.
And yes, it does lead to an irrational extreme because "rational" implies that you actually know something about the Nazi party, not that someone told you they were "evil" so you believed them.
Aldridge517 2 weeks ago 2
@Aldridge517 Ur a complete idiot - "Nazis are idealists" (I presume u mean 'were')? The Nazis were thugs and homicidal maniacs. But in ur twisted world view, thugs and homicidal maniacs r not 'evil.' The subject of Nazism is closed. They were an evil and sick political movement that was rightly crushed out of existence. The Nazis were the very essence of 'irrational' which is why they held out until Germany was utterly destroyed.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x U mad?
Aldridge517 2 weeks ago
@Aldridge517 I'm wondering if you are..."Nazis are idealists" I mean, come off it.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@Aldridge517 WTF R U TALKING ABOUT??? THEY ARE EVIL!!! PURE AND SIMPLE!!! THEY WERE MANIPULATED BY SATAN AND HIS MINIONS! IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT THEN JUS GO BY WAT THEY DID! WHICH IS KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE! ARE U FUGN KIDDING ME? NO MATTER WHICH WAY U LOOK AT IT THEY ALL ARE EVIL AND SHOULD BE BRANDED AS SUCH! PERIOD!!!
Midnite4Life777 2 weeks ago
@Midnite4Life777 Typing in all caps isn't how you have an intelligent conversation either. Fact: People who use the word "evil" to describe things in everyday life are far too emotional to have a calm and rational dialogue. Typing in all caps is a perfect example of an "irrational extreme". Plus, "satan and his minion"..... come on dude, this conversation has gone to nutty land.
Aldridge517 2 weeks ago
@Aldridge517 A good argument? Seriously? HAHAHAHAHA! I cant stand the sissy little nancys on the Left, but brainwashed Conservative morons are no better. And that's exactly what Ann Coulter is.
MrBuDDeeGuY 3 weeks ago
@vince33x
Ann Coulter is a bitter, nasty piece of work. She is blindingly stupid and lies her ass off when it suits her. A good argument? :) Hilarious.
TheCelticChimp 3 weeks ago
@vince33x No...the left is sick of putting up with lousy arguements so rather then trying to explain to the right how to metaphorically dribble the darn ball, we're taking the ball and hanging out with people who know how to play.
Also, a right winger accusing the left of envy and theft is laughable, unless you're living in a mirror universe.
ChakatBlackstar 2 weeks ago
@ChakatBlackstar The Left's whole political language is based on ENVY, THEFT, COERCION, and FORCE. Just listen to the nitwit-in-chief, he constantly uses words like: 'mandate', 'require,' and 'rule.' He thinks he can re-order society through the FORCE of gov't. Believing in the use of Force is NOT believing in freedom of choice (except, of course, when it comes to killing babies, 1,000 of which are murdered every day via abortion).
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x As opposed to the right who are constantly cutting taxes for the rich and trying to take away stuff to help the poor or that they'd rather spend money on an overinflated military then on our schools and our children, and interfere with our personal lives, telling us who we can and can't marry, and if you don't meet their standards they accuse you of being evil and degenerate? Envy, Theft, Coercion, Force are all in there, and for the finale they push for a fascist theocracy!
ChakatBlackstar 2 weeks ago
@ChakatBlackstar 1st of all nimrod, there is only one true Right-Wing candidate and he is Ron Paul, who will cut the Military's budget in half but unlike u and the Left, he'd give the savings back to those who earned the money in the 1st place, not to the tax-takers who suckle on the teats of taxpayers. 2nd, the top 1% of earners pay 37% of all Fed taxes; the top 10% pay 71% of all Fed taxes; and the bottom 50% pay only 2.3% of Fed taxes. So ur just plain wrong u idiot.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x Seriously? You're going to play the "no true Scotsman" fallacy? And how much of their own income did they pay taxes on? I don't care what percentage of the overall taxes they're paying. I just want them to actually pay their fair share. Why should they be rewarded by the government just because they were more successful or better at conning people depending on their career? And they still insist on interfering with our personal lives. that says more about them then anything.
ChakatBlackstar 2 weeks ago
@ChakatBlackstar Listen to urself. U sound like a paranoid cynic. FYI, the top 1% paid about 30% of their income in Fed. taxes. The middle class paid 15% (on avg.) of their income in taxes. So, in terms of pct of income, the top 1% paid twice the tax rate as the middle class. U say: "pay their fair share." Who determines that? U? The top 1% aren't "rewarded by the government," most created enterprises that satisfied the wants and needs of consumers (Ford, Chrysler, Edison, Blank, etc.).
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x U people on the Left have an evil and twisted worldview. I've got news 4 u pal - NOBODY OWES U A LIVING.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x It means, my zealous friend, that you shouldn't run a country to satisfy a political view, you should take the measures appropriate for the nation, not just choosing CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM or FASCISM and hoping it fits the country.
TheDudeReborn 2 weeks ago
@TheDudeReborn Then I repeat: Capitalism is purely moral because it is based on VOLUNTARY transactions. Socialism is immoral because its transactions are based on gov't FORCE and COERCION. Just what do u think are the mechanisms by which Socialism achieves "pure equality?"
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x Pure Capitalism is AMORAL, it does not care for right or wrong as long as a profit is gained.
America is not Capitalist, its Corporate Socialism - Companies provide politicians with cash & receive funds in return, the dream of every "businessman" is to get a government contract, because once you latch on to the Governments teat your set for life.
xdir 2 weeks ago
@xdir Capitalism is moral because it is based on VOLUNTARY exchange; Socialism is immoral because it is based on: ENVY, THEFT, FORCE and COERCION. Capitalism operates w/the PROFIT motive, which serves to keep costs low and innovation high, which benefits the consumer. In Socialism, there is no profit motive or competition, so there is no incentive to keep costs low or to innovate, nor is there any incentive to use resources efficiently, which is why the USSR and Red China were so polluted.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x America, while getting worse - especially under the current nitwit, Obama - is still very much a capitalist nation. U can lie all u want, but the bulk of the means of production and distribution are still held in Private hands, though, I agree, the Dems want to create a 'corporatist state.' Ur words: " the dream of every "businessman" is to get a government contract." Pure baloney! Most enterprises derive very little of their revenue from gov't contracts and those that do, mostly have
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x thin margins. Take Ford. They do some gov't contracts: Police, Fed. vehicle fleets but those contracts have very little profit in them. Ford's highest margins come from retail sales. If u knew anything about business u'd know this. Ur ignorance is only exceeded by ur idiocy.
vince33x 2 weeks ago
@vince33x You're ridiculous