last time i checked blacks, Asians, Hispanics and native americans were killed, beaten, bitten by police dogs, shot by fire hoses, had whole populations wiped out, and enslaved for 400 years. its the least the government can do. saying you are native american literally made me laugh. i bet one of your parents were "part" native american and you probably associate yourself with native american people. did you grow up on a reservation and have to deal with the dread that those people need copewith
@DjSkyfaze Neither you nor I did any of that to those people. I'm tired of hearing that excuse. It's like saying that because my grandfather shot your grandfather and killed him, I should compensate you in some way for the pain my grandfather inflicted on your family.
Of course it wouldn't be fair. Even a lower-income Asian Indian like me would STILL have to pay higher tuition and qualify for fewer scholarships than a higher-income Black or Hispanic? Ridiculous! Therefore, I only believe in social class affirmative action and certainly NOT race affirmative action.
It's funny that this bake sale is some how being touted as the face of evil. National media attention and all of the anti-Whites screaming about how terrible it is. Meanwhile tens of thousands of Whites are being robbed, beaten, raped, and murdered at the hands of minorities every year. However not a peep about that.
It's quite obvious that there is an anti-White genocidal agenda here.
@Styxhexenhammer666 If ignoring the mass violence and murder against Whites at the hand of minorities while making a huge deal about some bake sale isn't reverse racism I don't know what is. Reverse racism takes many different forms.
I'd like to know why you think there isn't a genocide taking place against Whites? What is taking place across the globe in White countries is not only genocide, it's textbook genocide. Deliberately targeting and shrinking the numbers of a genotype is genocide
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 The proper way to stop violence among minorities is to stop forcing them into ghettos and making sure they get little proper education. There is no such thing as a violent race of people, only a violent subculture created by economic and social disparity.
@Styxhexenhammer666 First off, who is "forcing" them in to ghettos? Secondly, forced integration has completely ruined our educational system. We spend more money now on education then we ever did and it is not helping. We are failing as a nation and that is a direct result of the genocidal multicultural policies that have been foisted upon us.
It's naive at best to say that some races are not more violent then others. It's like saying all dog breeds have the same levels of aggression.
I don't agree with forced integration either, but to chalk the problems minorities are having up to genetics makes little sense. There are plenty of phDs among all of these groups too, and if you've ever been to the deep south as I have, you'd know it's CULTURE not RACE that determines actions and intellect. I have met white people who are among the most ignorant and violent people who have ever existed- it's about the culture they were raised in.
@Styxhexenhammer666 Race vs culture determining intelligence is highly debatable and it's something that you and I would never agree on. You could look at places like Haiti or the entire continent of Africa and try to make excuses for why those places are in the state they are. Fact is that anywhere blacks rule we see a complete and utter failure. That being said, you are starting to see those same failures here because Whites numbers are declining. It's genocide and anti-Whites support it.
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 Those places are shitholes because of a shitty infrastructure and, in some cases, colonialism, and in others, the environment.
I'd point out there are plenty of high crime majority white shitholes in Eastern Europe, parts of Russia, even parts of the USA.
If "white" (which is a loose term at best) people wish to remain a majority they ought to have sex more often. I hardly see how influxes of latinos are a problem, since most of them are partly or completely white anyways
@Styxhexenhammer666 Like I said, you can come up with excuses and try to lay the blame on White people if you like. Haiti was the jewel of the Caribbean. A made country with wealth and infrastructure. Same goes for South Africa. SA was the most prosperous country in all of Africa. Look at them today. Hell, look at Detroit or so many other US cities that have fallen in to ruin. You can't blame evil Whitey for all these failures can you? Maybe you can.
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 The Egyptians were building pyramids while "whitey" was still living in huts made of tree branches. Meanwhile the arabs were building giant dirt fortifications and platforms for temples.
I do not believe there are inherent differences in intellect between races. Have you ever studied anthropology? I have and am- When intellect tests are fixed for economical status and kept within a specific geographic culture, there is no difference by race.
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 And those studies are normally flawed by not fixing for economic status and geographic location. A black person raised by a pair of phD holding parents is going to have a generally higher intellect, however since until recently blacks couldn't even count on a decent PRIMARY education, this is far less common than among whites, skewing the results.
The IQ differences have been growing smaller over time and, I believe, will disappear in 100 years.
@Styxhexenhammer666 If economic status is the reason Blacks have lower IQs, how do you explain away the IQ difference between poor Blacks, Whites, and Asians? Studies have been done that break down the myth that economic status is the main factor between racial IQ differences. Blacks in the USA are much more educated then Sub Saharan Africans yet they only score 5 - 10 IQ points higher. To deny race plays a factor in this to me is silly. .
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 It seems rather convenient that skin color and facial features have, according to folks such as yourself, such a dramatically linked systematic existence with intelligence.
I have seen no studies like the ones you allude to. I'll probably assume they don't exist unless you can source them.
You know what? No. I'm going to deny white genocide. Want to know why? Because there is no white genocide and whoever told you it, be it your parents or friends, is a piece of shit racist.
The US is about 70% white, you are not being oppressed, you are not being subjugated, you are not being discriminated against by society.
Now get your head out of your ass, you backwards bitch-spawn, and stop blaming minorities for your shortcomings.
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 actually a recent national geographic edtion proved that there were in fact black pharaohs. also im an anthro major and ive asked my professors and the confirmed those facts. also what studies are you talking about. you havent named one study. and there is no difference in intelligence between races. just ask any cultural anthropologist. they would laugh in your fucking face and call you a moron. fucking racist piece of shit.
I think the idea is to help alleviate the further and more deeper issues within the system going back far as the early development and childhood of the person. I think the idea is create more inclusion for the experience for the university. There seems a bit of confusion over the bill and over the meaning of the bill. There should be more clarity and explanation.
And I can't believe that the BCR might lose their sponsorship over this. They held a peaceful protest and YET the 'left' holds one and blocks the way for students by laying down. Unbelievable. The 'associated students' have also had many other 'protests' in the past which have blocked students from getting to class and they destroyed school property. THEY should lose their sponsorship; not the BCR.
So it is o.k and racial harmonious to tell an Asian or White teenager & the parents that if he/she has the same H.S GPA and amount extra-curricular activities as a black/ latino student, he/she will be at a disadvantage in competing with that black/ latino student for amission to a UC school simply because of his/ her race. Can we please do that for NCAA sports..???
@noiphetso1 You can't compare NCAA sports with this. NCAA sports isn't making race an issue in any way shape or form. The one thing people is missing is the bigger picture. There is institutional racism in this country. It is still there and until we get rid of that then I say we should 100% get rid of affirmitive action. Institutional racism is in all forms in this country. Education, employment, loans, insurance, police harrassment, getting your first home, etc...it is real.
If race didnt matter, it would not be asked on the application "What ethnicity are you?" Take that question off of every job and school application and then we are making progress.
@YoungDreezee I agree things like that should be taken off the applications when it comes to jobs, or whatever but like I said...that still doesn't nagate the fact that racism will be gone. So as long as you have a institutional system of race set in place it will be going no where and you have this set up still in existence in the country.
Affirmative Action been dead since the a lot of jobs left the good ole US of A. By the way, if you went to Cheyney University or any other HBCU (Historically Black College or University) and your white or asian the roles are opposite. Whites and Asians pay virtually nothing to go to these schools. Why? Because the Whites and Asians are minority at an HBCU. Please, never get all your information from the news, do your own research, and you will find the truth like this guy who posted this.
@YoungDreezee Thats not the issue. The issue is that race baiting the GOP students did at UC Berkley. They instigated race with a foolish comparison to affirmitive action.
@trooper40below - They used race to make a point that at UC Berkeley admissions, but at Howard University how would the GOP make their bake sale? By charging $2 for a cupcake for blacks & $1 for a whites? What I think they should do is get ride of "What race or ethnicity are you?" questions on applications. Why ask that question unless you are trying to give the job to a particular race, white or black.Students mak a good point, but bigger educational changes needs to be done at the K-12 level
@YoungDreezee Here's the thing. Howard is a historically black college. Why is it historically a "black" college? Because american universities shudder at the thought of accepting people of color into its university system. That is why the "black" college came on the scene public and private. Secondly, that is not how UC Berkley nor the governor is looking at what the GOP students is claiming. I have a video posted up in response to this one. Take a look at it to see my points and where i stand.
@trooper40below Btw...when I say american universities shudder at the thought of having people of color at their universities I mean that in a historical sense. Today there is still issues with universities and minorities relationships as well as employment, education, housing etc. You have to take things into consideration and put them into perspective.
@trooper40below I know why HBCU exist, but I see how the GOP at UC Berkeley tries to link Affirmative Action with the bake sale by bringing up the cost of college differentiate among races. Slightly slick of the students if you ask me. The hard part is how to level the playing field when education is linked to income level. Anyone can get in a Ivy League school (like a prep course) to see if they really have what it takes to go there if they have the money. Key word is money. Nice vid man,holla
@YoungDreezee No...because what the GOP student did was assume thats what the bill is by making that comparison. It wasn't slick. It was the GOP students interpretation of the bill. The GOP has a history of making unfounding assumption when it comes to affirmitive action. Look up the bill. Just go to California's government website and download the bill. You will see it's nothing like what the GOP students are claiming. Thats the point.
I am a Californian. I am a woman. I am a liberal. I don't believe in affirmative action. Let's get something straight. SB 185 is dumb. Californian voters voted on a proposition, that passed in the 90s, which makes it so no public college can consider race. SB 185 is a law that the legislators are trying to pass. The People of California don't agree. So, I was with you all the way up till the sweeping generalization of Californians.
To the person who made this video. I 10000% disagree with you. The problem is with a lot of thinking that whites in general, they think that the playing field is leveled equally. That is not the case at all. You need to note that things are not equal in this country at all in our society relative race. Thats the problem. A lot of you don't or have not experienced the things blacks, latinos, asians, and native americans experienced and put up with from the past up to now. Whether it be employment
@trooper40below trying to get an apartment, getting a loan, education etc. But lets look at education. There is a huge huge disadvantage. In black and latino neighborhoods and the schools there they are always the ones getting the worse school books, worse resources from the state compared to public schools that are traditionally white. This is no secret. This has been the case for many decades up to now. There are other factors that play into it as well. Point is things are not at all on a
@trooper40below equal playing field. Blacks, latinos, native americans have to deal with and put up with so much and still are trying to do their best in a school in their neighborhood that is disfunctional in terms of having the resources because the states give the best resources to those schools outside of these heavily minority attended schools. Plus blacks and latinos are taught to learn your culture and ways by way of education. Assimilation if you will. Thats rough for any minority.
@trooper40below we are basically taught to be "eurocentric" in our thinking and ways and we don't want to. So things are not equal and thats a point that you and other republicans are missing. Can blacks, latinos, asians, native americans do the work? Hell yes...its easy to do but there are a bunch of factors that is going on that you're not necessaryingly going through or putting up with that we have to go through. Until the playing field is leveled then I will agree with you on this.
This is America, land of the free. Where I have the right to seek opportunity, not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen. Humbled and dulled by having the State look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream. To fail and to succeed. I prefer the challenges to life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence NOR MY DIGNITY FOR A HANDOUT.
I agree, but I suspect(and I can't prove it) that Affirmative Action is a redistribution program that only uses racism as a justification for robbing Peter to pay Paul, in an attempt to empower a political power structure.
you know if you trimmed your lovely locks back just a tad so they don't cover you eye, you could see the world in 3D as opposed to in 2D. it'll help out a lot with your hand-eye coordination.
@Styxhexenhammer666 lol what a douche. no, actually i thought you'd perhaps shake your head and laugh but apparently you're too vain to appreciate subtle humor.
Couldn't agree with you more dude. This bill doesn't make sense at all but the people crying 'racist' fail to see that.
If you go to school there, I feel bad for you that you have to deal with all the liberal crap.
I have to correct you on something though: you DO get more financial aid based on your race. I've seen it first hand with students in the same situation as myself.
Anybody heard the recent statistics that college drop-out rates are at an all-time high? One reason is because minority students are attending college, mostly junior colleges, after high school for the FAFSA and student aid programs, and then dropping out of school due to poor grades and lack of scholarly discipline. It doesn't take a genius to see that most of white and asian culture put great emphasis on education, while other minorities don't.
@payasoinfeliz I can message you a legitimate government site showing that what he says is indeed true. However it is worth noting that the gaps are closing, and drop out rates are lower by far for every race now than they were a few decades ago. This is the result of primary educational reform.
@Styxhexenhammer666 i checked the link, but it does not seem to be referring to college dropout rates, which is what boogie mentioned--i didnt mention "college" in my reply, but thats what i was referring to. it says, "16- through 24-year-olds who are not enrolled in school and have not earned a high school credential (either a diploma or an equivalency credential such as a General Educational Development [GED] certificate)." but thanks anyway. i appreciate that you took the time.
It's really pitiful how this half white/chink(not buying part native american bs) fucker defends the "white status qou"...Wake up asshole,you're just a halfbreed.
They call themselves "Anti-Racist", but all of their ideas and policies are ANTI-WHITE. What they actually are is Anti-White. "Anti-Racist" is just a code word for Anti-White.
Sometimes rhetorical logic seems iron clad if you're only interested in the word-play equation....We've established that its wrong to discriminate based on race, therefore surely its wrong to offer assistance based on race.... As rhetoric it makes sense but it's actually just a cynical concept reversal which ignores the real issue: Race based disadvantage. Can we acknowledge disadvantage but reject any attempt to address it because the language is too easy to manipulate? Is that real logic?
@DingoBabyEat what about all the non-race based disadvantage? Should we give preference in admission to the poor, those from rural areas, those who have mental issues, etc?
Clearly no: The academic system is a boon to the economy by TRAINING THOSE CAPABLE OF BEING TRAINED. The ONLY qualification for actual admission should be based on intellectual abilities. If we want more minorities to be able to go, we should be improving the primary school system, not focusing on admitting the unqualified.
@Styxhexenhammer666 There are always huge numbers of "qualified" students who will either miss out or win a place once the academically brilliant have been given first preference. Some of those qualified will come from disadvantaged backgrounds. In my country, places are set aside for a range of disadvantages including poverty and rural. But those students still have to meet an academic standard. It's like you're implying kids with no acumen are randomly plucked from the slums.
@Styxhexenhammer666 well, you would have to establish that students are incapable of being trained to determine that the wrong individuals are being admitted for this training. the way affirmative action works--the way its supposed to work--is you are qualified first, and then given priority based on trends of disparity. so whether your being native american gave you an advantage or not has no bearing on whether youre qualified for admission.
@DingoBabyEat really, its a poor understanding of language, rather than manipulation. its not racist to discriminate race (which affirmative action does), but it is racist to discriminate based on race. affirmative action does not discriminate based on race, otherwise, asians would still benefit from it like they did decades ago, since theyre still asian (isolate the constant, find the variable). what changed was the trend of disadvantage afflicting them, not their race.
I'm a minority and do feel that topics like these should spark conversation.
Unfortunately many minorites do not take their public education years serious. So what happens is they get older and expect assistance after they've fvcked around for many years. The minorities (us) take advantage of the situation.
The people who are holding the bake sale are dominantly white. They claim to fight racism against minorities. I call bullshit on it. They are white-supremacists or white-supremacist sympathizers. Clearly, if the affirmative action was so racist, then wouldn't the outcry come dominantly from minorities? Those minorities don't complain but while affirmative action is not perfect, but they understand that it is there to fix an institutionalized racism that already exists in the society.
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah I consider myself native american and I'm calling out affirmative action as racist. There is NO institutionalized racism in colleges. We should focus on building up our primary educational system, NOT giving racist preference to people.
You can get rid of AA as soon as you build a society that is race blind. AA tries to reduce the adverse effects of racism. If you are really interested in fighting against racism, then you better start talking about income disparity, job opportunity disparity, etc, between white/non-whites and between men/women.
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah You pointed out a racially based disparity, I pointed out an income based disparity. Made sense to me. You liberals love to whine about how anyone who disagrees with affirmative action must be a racist.
I'd point out that as a native american brought up by an unemployed mother and a cook for a father, I'd be the garbage man if the black was the farmer and the white a lawyer.
You cannot excuse a racist admissions policy based on the guise of "helping people."
I did not say your are a racist. I said that particular comment is either racist or stupid. Because black/white income disparity is about two equally competent individuals getting different levels of income solely based on race. Comparing it to farmer/lawyer income disparity is either stupid (if you are missing the point) or racist (if you believe whites should get more income anyways). Take your pick.
And calling it racist policy. You don't get it (continued)
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah There is also disparity within each race that has just as big an effect. My family is poor. Should I be penalized on college admissions based on my supposedly white race, in favor of a black person who applies at the same time, and whose family makes a million dollars a year? Clearly if this is the case and you believe it, you're either an idiot, or you're stuck on the age old myth that because our grandparents were racist, we should have to suffer.
If the condition of your family has had no adverse effect on you getting a proper education then yes. A black person is constantly being bombarded by implicit and scientifically unfounded messages that whites are more intelligent (e.g., same is true for women regarding math). This lowers his/her performance, and damages the confidence regardless of their income or status. So yes, if you are perceived white, you have been enjoying some privileges that he/she did not have.
Consider this: assume all the black people are somehow being robbed 100$ a month by the racist society. Would it be racist policy to try and give them the 100$ back? If yes, then elaborate. If no, then you accept that it is possible that race-based policies are not by definition racist. If you have an answer other than yes/no then you're evading the question. This is not a question of fairness or any other issue. This is a question of race.
Their are far to many liveing ass holes now liveing. Sir your right on. And Why cant guys like you run for Office. And show the country their are some common
My problem is the value given to each race who in this group mark the price of this bake sale as you can see we equal low price the same as poor quality .
This is a rather masturbatory video about your opinion on affirmative action (not quite the bill in question), and only briefly addresses the bake sale. The intent of the act is inconsequential if the results are discriminatory. The pricing scheme of the bake sale is racist. Volunteering racism into the world is wrong. Case closed.
@pimpcronus "The pricing scheme of the bake sale is racist."
So you admit giving people different levels of treatment based on race is racism? So why would you support preferential admittance to a college based on race?
You are being deliberately obtuse. The purpose of AA is not to discriminate against whites but to fix the institutionalized racism against the minorities. If you actually do some useful reading, you'll get that such institutionalized racism affects all black students regardless of their locations. So shut the fuck up and do some googling on psychological effects of racism.
Please do not put words in my mouth. I made no comment about my opinion of the bill; my opposition is to the bake sale's means of conveying its purpose. I understand their opinion and what they are trying to do, but they are going about it in a way that is discriminatory and unimaginative.
Actually whites are a minority at Berkeley. Majority are asians.. especially in those highly competitive programs such as EE CS, Business. Whites get preferential treatment over Asians males. So you'd get your fact straight and STFU.
I am a Berkeley student and I do see your point, but I think the College of Republicans could have expressed their opinion in a different, respectful manner.
I however agree that "Affirmative Action" has a lot of problems..They should focus more on fixing the garbage school system. It would help prevent issues like this one.
@gangstamind187 fix the schools that serve minority communities, dont just give minorities who dont deserve it free entry into college based on skin color
@rulesforrebels i would love to fix the schools that serve underprivileged kids, but i don't have the power or money to do it... and there's no "free" entry for anyone...quotas as stated above are illegal therefore it isn't required for the schools to take in a certain amount of "minorities"... race is paired up with socioeconomic settings and other factors in the bill because STATISTICALLY it's true that minorities perform lower due to crappy schooling in low class areas..read the bill.
"Applying to college should be based academic intellect."
Well there are academically capable people in any group. The problem is that statistically "minorities" are victims of a bullshit public school system (look at the Educational Pipeline for reference.) And when low income students (most minority students) take the SAT they are being tested on a level that high income students are actually being taught. Public schools in low income areas are statistically bad schools.
@gangstamind187 agreed it should be based on ability. minorities shoudl be offended this bill is being proposed. appaerntly politicians think minorities are inept and not as good as whites and need a free entry based on skin color and not ability.
@SteinUndStahl666 read the bill..race isn't the only factor that could be used..and quotas are illegal anyways so race is just being used as a way of indicating unequal opportunities along with income and other factors.
Well, race shouldn't be used at all. Income factors I can understand, and even then they have to be careful to not give jobs to undeserving people. But race should not be considered at all.
As for quotas, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Quotas still have to be filled in lots of jobs. Affirmative action is a harsh reality that our country has moved from one form of state racism to another.
@gangstamind187 Then base affirmative action on social class and not race. Affirmative action is inherently racist in essential saying we don't think your as smart as your white brethren
@Da55Moose no it implies that most "minority" students don't have the same resources as most people. You should look at the differences between Garfield High School in LA and Hollywood High School....that's the problem. And why base it solely on income if there are issues that affect minorities that don't affect whites..
@gangstamind187 Then why not focus on improving the educational opportunities of poor schools? I'd point out there are plenty of majority white areas with shitty schools too, especially in redneck land in the south and midwest, trust me I've seen it firsthand!
I agree with unilaterally improving conditions at all lacking schools so we can get the country back to top notch education levels. I do NOT agree with disenfranchising whites who went to schools just as shitty, just because they're white
@gangstamind187 Yeah the CIA and RICKY ROSS, but who smoked it? Who ruined their families for that shit? Did white people make them smoke it? No, they wanted that shit. They didnt give a FUCK about their families, they jsut wanted that crack and heroine, and you cant just blame white people. I mean, they aint on the corner slinging rocks.
@DesertPrepper i never blamed white people in the first place..haha...stop trying to flip the script on me..and crack was purposely leaked onto minority neighborhoods so we could argue about stuff like this..the people did what they knew best..they did whatever it took to make money..you think the CIA and those bankers/ politicians didn't know that? the prison industrial complex, public school system, etc. all ties in.
@gangstamind187 We agree on a lot of stuff. In a round about way you did blame white people, you brought up that schools in non-drug ravished neighborhoods are good, and have better quality of graduating student. You implied that poor schools don't have good scores cos of the prison copmplex. Not because schools get money based on property taxes and in shit areas the taxes are low, so schools get shit money. The system needs to get fixed, but AA and no child left with a mind, are not the answers
@DesertPrepper I blame the "elites" in the world..most happen to be white because well historically they got ahead of most of us...remember how white males who OWNED property could vote (leaving out poor white men and women? I have more in common with poor white people than i do with rich black and latino people...race is just a small issue..classism is the big issue..read the bill..it's not completely about race.
@gangstamind187 Like I said, we probably agree on more things, than we disagree on. The bill might have good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This bill is not needed. It was created to further polarize folks like us, and distract us from things like the fast and furious scandal, and the fact that American tax dollars are going to be bailing out Ireland,Greece, and other fucked Euro trash countries, and it fucking worked.
@MinmatarThrasher "may consider race, gender, ethnicity, national origin, geographic origin & household income, along with other relevant factors, in grad/undergrad admissions, so long as no preference is given." also quotas are illegal..now, notice race and ethnicity was paired with income etc..why? well because Statistically most low income students who have less resources are of certain race...that's fact..this bill is meant to highlight the disadvantages of some intelligent individuals.
Look, the mere fact that it says those things, regardless of the situation, makes it racist. Bottom line end of story. It's racist. And you can't justify racism no matter how hard you try.
@gangstamind187 Getting a k-12 public education worth about $120,000 per student is anything but a "bullshit public school system." Poor students in this country are given opportunities that most young people throughout the world would literally kill for, but they choose not to take advantage of those opporunities. And what is wrong with asking students from poorer neighborhoods to measure up to middle class students? It seems to me that being poor should be an added incentive to work harder.
@SgtSoot oh man..haha.. right...i chose to take only two AP classes my junior and senior year in high school because i was lazy -___- ...not all public schools have the resources to finance AP classes and other college prep programs... public schools mostly run on real estate taxes so of course public schools in low income areas suck..I have friends in college who have told me stories about counselors who told them to not even attempt getting into college...you wouldn't know that though..
@SgtSoot and students are tested on test taking ironically (the SAT) ..that's why they have really expensive SAT prep classes that most can't afford...high income students can and they already have better teachers etc. so they place higher statistically.
@gangstamind187 But being "poor" in the US- where the poor and unemployed are provided with housing, a car, a big screen TV, and an xbox for the kids courtesy of the taxpayers- is hardly an incentive. I wish the taxpayers would provide me with all those "bare essentials," but I'm white.
@SgtSoot being a minority has little to do with getting government aid..like welfare...whites in this country receive the most help...look it up..even most illegals pay taxes! but i'm sure you wouldn't know that either...smh
You do know that Quotas are illegal and have nothing to do with these bills right? You may be part Native American, however I am sure that you do not identify as such and thus enjoy your privileges as a white male. I have a feeling you do not want to take into consideration anything regarding privilege. Please read Bonilla-Silva... There are so many holes in what you are saying.
@djkaos81 Giving race consideration in entrance to academics is foolish and is a form of racism, it's so amusing that there are people too ignorant to understand this.
@Styxhexenhammer666 While you may find things like this "amusing" I take this very seriously. Do you believe that students that did not have the chance to receive the same education as many white students receive are still ignorant? You do know that while affirmative action was allowed it benefited mainly white woman.
@djkaos81 they may have been disadvanted educationally but what does putting soemone who doesnt deserve to be there and who cant keep up entry just based on skin color is going to do?
@rulesforrebels How can you say that they do not deserve to be there? When given the chance these students whom you say are undeserving flourish. Also, many of the people on this thread need to read the bill. It is not affirmative action. Also, have the students you feel are deserving have been babied and catered to most of their lives.
@djkaos8 Please tell me what these benefits are? I would love to know where i go to get them. Is their some card im supposed to carry. What a fucking joke. Whites are piss poor and white men cant even be proud or have self respect i was fucking born in 1987 piss poor in a shit part of the town i worked my fucking ass off and am now an accountant., I unlike my african american friends and hispanics buddiews did not have much help from any abgency or institution. I had to fight against the tide.
@ITHEREONETHATHASNT congratulations on making it out. I was born in 86' in the same circumstances as you. However, my parents did not speak English and I had to work as a child. Plus as a minority child I was looked down upon. I have been called countless things while growing up that I did not deserve. The fact of the matter is that schools in Minority neighborhoods do not have the same educational benefits that white areas have. Also, minorities don't receive any help until they reach college.
@djkaos81 So, what about white people, like me, who were pretty much poor and went to school in the 'minority' areas? Am I just screwed because I'm white? Why is it that people seem to lump 'white' and 'well off' together? They're not one in the same.
@lisa333watson It is unfortunate, but there are not very many like you. However, I understand what you are speaking of. I have a few close white friends who grew up in the ghetto. One attends Cal here with me while the other two attend state colleges. I am very interested in there experiences now that you ask. Great point.
@djkaos81 Stfu you cunt. who do you fucking think you are to say whether he fells native american or not. what priveleges are you fucking whining about dumb prick. there is a lot of poor white and a lot of non poor black and mexican american there aint no fucking race privelege anymore. you dont fucking make sense you say he has "holes" in what he say yet you dont pinpoint any. ill tell you wat holes are in wat you are saying. youre a stupid whiny lil bitch. low income is already considered
@nertos466 once again..... don't cuss at me just because I am bringing up points. By the way you speak I see that you have nothing to bring to the table. Have a good one
@djkaos81 there is 40 % asian in berkeley and 30% white so stop fucking whining like a litttle bitch white dont have privelege fuck you cunt you didnt get in good schools beacause your a moron
@nertos466 wow how interesting..... your use of language does nothing but tell me you have nothing better to say. lmfao guess what I am a 3rd year Junior attending Cal....... gasp a Mexican american?? yes. It took me a lot to get here and I am proud. I'm here to debate not get cussed at so come at me in a different way. I do not hate anyone for doing what they are doing im just here to debate and have my opinion heard.
@djkaos81 Let me pose this aspect of the State Bill. It's intent is to promote diversity; what level of diversity is the correct one? Who has the mandate to promote diversity? The State? Do you know how elitist that sounds?
Why stop at education? Let's promote diversity at the micro level! Let's mandate diversity in local neighborhoods! Where does this line of reasoning end?
@SkinyPost white privilege male privilege there are plenty of forms of it. If you have taken any sociology classes even at the intro level these are the things you learn. All I am saying is that this guy is making it sounds as if the people who are supposedly going to "replace" other students are ignorant minorities who are of "average" intelligence. Lets face it to get into a UC you do have to a lot. Many students of color do have to accomplish more and jump through hoops to get there
Yeah I agree I here whites complain about "race " based choosing but not for alumni or the children of former students or donors. So people must also signify that as well. Also people from other countries have a better chance ,is that bad. Admissions choose people based on a host of things not just race. But more importantly people like diversity and that not a bad thing.
You may be part Native American but, judging by your looks, you experience the world and the world experiences you as a Caucasian, so you get all the preferences and privileges that they do. People only know you are ethnic if you choose to tell them. African Americans and others of color wear their cultural identity on their faces and in their names. This allows our society to know fairly accurately who to allow and who to eliminate. Lucky you.
As soon as Berkeley did not HAVE to extend affirmative action privileges to qualified non European races, they stopped immediately. Even WITH racial affirmative action, people of European decent get first crack at 80% of all that is good in the country,(i.e. education, jobs, opportunity, housing, leadership opportunities, etc.) Why are they and the Republican Party whining over the tiny 20% left to be divided among the rest of Americans. Are they afraid of the competition?
When qualified students of traditionally disenfranchised groups apply to Berkeley now, Berkeley tends to ignore them in favor of affirmative action for Caucasians, athletes, people of European decent, the children of donors and legacy families. If you are against affirmative action, be against ALL of it for ALL groups. Then the playing field is level and things can truly be fair.
You make several assumptions. You assume that some ethnic groups could not qualify academically to attend Berkeley. African Americans and other ethnic groups can and do in large numbers, despite the artificial barriers our country places in their paths. You assume there is no affirmative action now. There is and has always been. But the affirmative action is for Caucasians, athletes, people of European decent, the children of donors and legacy families.
You make several assumptions. You assume that some ethnic groups could not qualify academically to attend Berkeley. African Americans and other ethnic groups can and do in large numbers, despite the artificial barriers our country places in their paths. You assume there is no affirmative action now. There is and has always been. But the affirmative action is for Caucasians, athletes, people of European decent, the children of donors and legacy families.
Minorities are already granted many advantages in College due strictly to the fact that they are a minority! As a white student with close to a 4.0 average, it was nearly impossible to apply for many, many of the scholarships out there. To say it is based on merit is just not true. I challenge you to look at any site that offers financial aid and tell me that the majority of scholarships offered are not based on the color of your skin! Wake up people!
Everything this guy talks about is Affirmative Action! SB 185 is not affirmative action; first get your facts right! There is a reason why the number of minorities in the UC system is low!!! INSTITUTIONAL RACISM!!!! when minorities get into college, its not because they are just as good, its because they are twice as good. SB 185 allows the UC system to take race into consideration just like legacy has been a factor to admit students for years. Its just a way to minimize the gap between races!!
last time i checked blacks, Asians, Hispanics and native americans were killed, beaten, bitten by police dogs, shot by fire hoses, had whole populations wiped out, and enslaved for 400 years. its the least the government can do. saying you are native american literally made me laugh. i bet one of your parents were "part" native american and you probably associate yourself with native american people. did you grow up on a reservation and have to deal with the dread that those people need copewith
DjSkyfaze 2 months ago
@DjSkyfaze Neither you nor I did any of that to those people. I'm tired of hearing that excuse. It's like saying that because my grandfather shot your grandfather and killed him, I should compensate you in some way for the pain my grandfather inflicted on your family.
SimpleImp 1 month ago in playlist Styxhexenhammer Speaks
When I saw your face, I thought you'd be a sell-out, white-hating mangina. Lesson learned: never judge a book by its cover.
UltraProle21 3 months ago
FYI SB 185 was not signed by Gov Brown. He did something right for once!!!
PanteraChick 4 months ago
@PanteraChick OHHHH YEAHHHHH!
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
Of course it wouldn't be fair. Even a lower-income Asian Indian like me would STILL have to pay higher tuition and qualify for fewer scholarships than a higher-income Black or Hispanic? Ridiculous! Therefore, I only believe in social class affirmative action and certainly NOT race affirmative action.
IcedCoffee81 4 months ago
It's funny that this bake sale is some how being touted as the face of evil. National media attention and all of the anti-Whites screaming about how terrible it is. Meanwhile tens of thousands of Whites are being robbed, beaten, raped, and murdered at the hands of minorities every year. However not a peep about that.
It's quite obvious that there is an anti-White genocidal agenda here.
ExposeWhiteGenocide2 4 months ago
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 That's not really a valid point.
The point of the video is exposing reverse racism, not whining about some supposed white genocide that isn't happening.
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 If ignoring the mass violence and murder against Whites at the hand of minorities while making a huge deal about some bake sale isn't reverse racism I don't know what is. Reverse racism takes many different forms.
I'd like to know why you think there isn't a genocide taking place against Whites? What is taking place across the globe in White countries is not only genocide, it's textbook genocide. Deliberately targeting and shrinking the numbers of a genotype is genocide
ExposeWhiteGenocide2 4 months ago
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 The proper way to stop violence among minorities is to stop forcing them into ghettos and making sure they get little proper education. There is no such thing as a violent race of people, only a violent subculture created by economic and social disparity.
Education will save us all.
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 First off, who is "forcing" them in to ghettos? Secondly, forced integration has completely ruined our educational system. We spend more money now on education then we ever did and it is not helping. We are failing as a nation and that is a direct result of the genocidal multicultural policies that have been foisted upon us.
It's naive at best to say that some races are not more violent then others. It's like saying all dog breeds have the same levels of aggression.
ExposeWhiteGenocide2 4 months ago
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 Segregation ring a bell?
I don't agree with forced integration either, but to chalk the problems minorities are having up to genetics makes little sense. There are plenty of phDs among all of these groups too, and if you've ever been to the deep south as I have, you'd know it's CULTURE not RACE that determines actions and intellect. I have met white people who are among the most ignorant and violent people who have ever existed- it's about the culture they were raised in.
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 Race vs culture determining intelligence is highly debatable and it's something that you and I would never agree on. You could look at places like Haiti or the entire continent of Africa and try to make excuses for why those places are in the state they are. Fact is that anywhere blacks rule we see a complete and utter failure. That being said, you are starting to see those same failures here because Whites numbers are declining. It's genocide and anti-Whites support it.
ExposeWhiteGenocide2 4 months ago
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 Those places are shitholes because of a shitty infrastructure and, in some cases, colonialism, and in others, the environment.
I'd point out there are plenty of high crime majority white shitholes in Eastern Europe, parts of Russia, even parts of the USA.
If "white" (which is a loose term at best) people wish to remain a majority they ought to have sex more often. I hardly see how influxes of latinos are a problem, since most of them are partly or completely white anyways
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 Like I said, you can come up with excuses and try to lay the blame on White people if you like. Haiti was the jewel of the Caribbean. A made country with wealth and infrastructure. Same goes for South Africa. SA was the most prosperous country in all of Africa. Look at them today. Hell, look at Detroit or so many other US cities that have fallen in to ruin. You can't blame evil Whitey for all these failures can you? Maybe you can.
ExposeWhiteGenocide2 4 months ago
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 The Egyptians were building pyramids while "whitey" was still living in huts made of tree branches. Meanwhile the arabs were building giant dirt fortifications and platforms for temples.
I do not believe there are inherent differences in intellect between races. Have you ever studied anthropology? I have and am- When intellect tests are fixed for economical status and kept within a specific geographic culture, there is no difference by race.
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 Egyptians? They were not Black.
There are studies that show the differences in intelligence between the races. You can find that topic debated to death right here on Youtube.
ExposeWhiteGenocide2 4 months ago
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 And those studies are normally flawed by not fixing for economic status and geographic location. A black person raised by a pair of phD holding parents is going to have a generally higher intellect, however since until recently blacks couldn't even count on a decent PRIMARY education, this is far less common than among whites, skewing the results.
The IQ differences have been growing smaller over time and, I believe, will disappear in 100 years.
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 If economic status is the reason Blacks have lower IQs, how do you explain away the IQ difference between poor Blacks, Whites, and Asians? Studies have been done that break down the myth that economic status is the main factor between racial IQ differences. Blacks in the USA are much more educated then Sub Saharan Africans yet they only score 5 - 10 IQ points higher. To deny race plays a factor in this to me is silly. .
ExposeWhiteGenocide2 4 months ago
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 It seems rather convenient that skin color and facial features have, according to folks such as yourself, such a dramatically linked systematic existence with intelligence.
I have seen no studies like the ones you allude to. I'll probably assume they don't exist unless you can source them.
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 If skin color and facial features were all there is to race you might have a point.
ExposeWhiteGenocide2 4 months ago
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 "ExposeWhiteGenocide2"
You know what? No. I'm going to deny white genocide. Want to know why? Because there is no white genocide and whoever told you it, be it your parents or friends, is a piece of shit racist.
The US is about 70% white, you are not being oppressed, you are not being subjugated, you are not being discriminated against by society.
Now get your head out of your ass, you backwards bitch-spawn, and stop blaming minorities for your shortcomings.
ihaterobbie123 4 months ago in playlist Liked
@ExposeWhiteGenocide2 actually a recent national geographic edtion proved that there were in fact black pharaohs. also im an anthro major and ive asked my professors and the confirmed those facts. also what studies are you talking about. you havent named one study. and there is no difference in intelligence between races. just ask any cultural anthropologist. they would laugh in your fucking face and call you a moron. fucking racist piece of shit.
DjSkyfaze 2 months ago
HA! I actually thought you were going to take the other side based on your appearance. My azz just been schoold. Good post!
brendan129 4 months ago
@CUTWEST I think you're missing the point.
edonomahou 4 months ago
Sounds like Affirmative Action could drive allot of American student to go abroad.
Navigatortrue 4 months ago
I think the idea is to help alleviate the further and more deeper issues within the system going back far as the early development and childhood of the person. I think the idea is create more inclusion for the experience for the university. There seems a bit of confusion over the bill and over the meaning of the bill. There should be more clarity and explanation.
kazakhstanmkj 4 months ago
you're part Native American due to Europeans raping your Native Ancestors...and you're proud of that? sad.
CUTWEST 4 months ago
And I can't believe that the BCR might lose their sponsorship over this. They held a peaceful protest and YET the 'left' holds one and blocks the way for students by laying down. Unbelievable. The 'associated students' have also had many other 'protests' in the past which have blocked students from getting to class and they destroyed school property. THEY should lose their sponsorship; not the BCR.
PanteraChick 4 months ago
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PanteraChick 4 months ago
So it is o.k and racial harmonious to tell an Asian or White teenager & the parents that if he/she has the same H.S GPA and amount extra-curricular activities as a black/ latino student, he/she will be at a disadvantage in competing with that black/ latino student for amission to a UC school simply because of his/ her race. Can we please do that for NCAA sports..???
noiphetso1 4 months ago
@noiphetso1 You can't compare NCAA sports with this. NCAA sports isn't making race an issue in any way shape or form. The one thing people is missing is the bigger picture. There is institutional racism in this country. It is still there and until we get rid of that then I say we should 100% get rid of affirmitive action. Institutional racism is in all forms in this country. Education, employment, loans, insurance, police harrassment, getting your first home, etc...it is real.
trooper40below 4 months ago
If race didnt matter, it would not be asked on the application "What ethnicity are you?" Take that question off of every job and school application and then we are making progress.
YoungDreezee 4 months ago
@YoungDreezee I agree things like that should be taken off the applications when it comes to jobs, or whatever but like I said...that still doesn't nagate the fact that racism will be gone. So as long as you have a institutional system of race set in place it will be going no where and you have this set up still in existence in the country.
trooper40below 4 months ago
Affirmative Action been dead since the a lot of jobs left the good ole US of A. By the way, if you went to Cheyney University or any other HBCU (Historically Black College or University) and your white or asian the roles are opposite. Whites and Asians pay virtually nothing to go to these schools. Why? Because the Whites and Asians are minority at an HBCU. Please, never get all your information from the news, do your own research, and you will find the truth like this guy who posted this.
YoungDreezee 4 months ago
@YoungDreezee Thats not the issue. The issue is that race baiting the GOP students did at UC Berkley. They instigated race with a foolish comparison to affirmitive action.
trooper40below 4 months ago
@trooper40below - They used race to make a point that at UC Berkeley admissions, but at Howard University how would the GOP make their bake sale? By charging $2 for a cupcake for blacks & $1 for a whites? What I think they should do is get ride of "What race or ethnicity are you?" questions on applications. Why ask that question unless you are trying to give the job to a particular race, white or black.Students mak a good point, but bigger educational changes needs to be done at the K-12 level
YoungDreezee 4 months ago
@YoungDreezee Here's the thing. Howard is a historically black college. Why is it historically a "black" college? Because american universities shudder at the thought of accepting people of color into its university system. That is why the "black" college came on the scene public and private. Secondly, that is not how UC Berkley nor the governor is looking at what the GOP students is claiming. I have a video posted up in response to this one. Take a look at it to see my points and where i stand.
trooper40below 4 months ago
@trooper40below Btw...when I say american universities shudder at the thought of having people of color at their universities I mean that in a historical sense. Today there is still issues with universities and minorities relationships as well as employment, education, housing etc. You have to take things into consideration and put them into perspective.
trooper40below 4 months ago
@trooper40below I know why HBCU exist, but I see how the GOP at UC Berkeley tries to link Affirmative Action with the bake sale by bringing up the cost of college differentiate among races. Slightly slick of the students if you ask me. The hard part is how to level the playing field when education is linked to income level. Anyone can get in a Ivy League school (like a prep course) to see if they really have what it takes to go there if they have the money. Key word is money. Nice vid man,holla
YoungDreezee 4 months ago
@YoungDreezee No...because what the GOP student did was assume thats what the bill is by making that comparison. It wasn't slick. It was the GOP students interpretation of the bill. The GOP has a history of making unfounding assumption when it comes to affirmitive action. Look up the bill. Just go to California's government website and download the bill. You will see it's nothing like what the GOP students are claiming. Thats the point.
trooper40below 4 months ago
I am a Californian. I am a woman. I am a liberal. I don't believe in affirmative action. Let's get something straight. SB 185 is dumb. Californian voters voted on a proposition, that passed in the 90s, which makes it so no public college can consider race. SB 185 is a law that the legislators are trying to pass. The People of California don't agree. So, I was with you all the way up till the sweeping generalization of Californians.
reinvanity 4 months ago
@reinvanity Same here. Lumping all of us liberals in the same boat sucks. I hope we can repeal SB 185 if Gov Brown is dumb enough to sign it!
PanteraChick 4 months ago
To the person who made this video. I 10000% disagree with you. The problem is with a lot of thinking that whites in general, they think that the playing field is leveled equally. That is not the case at all. You need to note that things are not equal in this country at all in our society relative race. Thats the problem. A lot of you don't or have not experienced the things blacks, latinos, asians, and native americans experienced and put up with from the past up to now. Whether it be employment
trooper40below 4 months ago
@trooper40below trying to get an apartment, getting a loan, education etc. But lets look at education. There is a huge huge disadvantage. In black and latino neighborhoods and the schools there they are always the ones getting the worse school books, worse resources from the state compared to public schools that are traditionally white. This is no secret. This has been the case for many decades up to now. There are other factors that play into it as well. Point is things are not at all on a
trooper40below 4 months ago
@trooper40below equal playing field. Blacks, latinos, native americans have to deal with and put up with so much and still are trying to do their best in a school in their neighborhood that is disfunctional in terms of having the resources because the states give the best resources to those schools outside of these heavily minority attended schools. Plus blacks and latinos are taught to learn your culture and ways by way of education. Assimilation if you will. Thats rough for any minority.
trooper40below 4 months ago
@trooper40below we are basically taught to be "eurocentric" in our thinking and ways and we don't want to. So things are not equal and thats a point that you and other republicans are missing. Can blacks, latinos, asians, native americans do the work? Hell yes...its easy to do but there are a bunch of factors that is going on that you're not necessaryingly going through or putting up with that we have to go through. Until the playing field is leveled then I will agree with you on this.
trooper40below 4 months ago
This is America, land of the free. Where I have the right to seek opportunity, not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen. Humbled and dulled by having the State look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream. To fail and to succeed. I prefer the challenges to life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence NOR MY DIGNITY FOR A HANDOUT.
josiahho1 4 months ago
I agree, but I suspect(and I can't prove it) that Affirmative Action is a redistribution program that only uses racism as a justification for robbing Peter to pay Paul, in an attempt to empower a political power structure.
wwood14 4 months ago
you know if you trimmed your lovely locks back just a tad so they don't cover you eye, you could see the world in 3D as opposed to in 2D. it'll help out a lot with your hand-eye coordination.
einLesenderArbeiter 5 months ago 2
@einLesenderArbeiter And that is supposed to unsettle or upset me? Son you're outta yer league.
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 lol what a douche. no, actually i thought you'd perhaps shake your head and laugh but apparently you're too vain to appreciate subtle humor.
einLesenderArbeiter 4 months ago
@einLesenderArbeiter HAHA I'm used to trolling, sorry if you weren't trolling. I just got used to people saying bizarre things on my videos.
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
Couldn't agree with you more dude. This bill doesn't make sense at all but the people crying 'racist' fail to see that.
If you go to school there, I feel bad for you that you have to deal with all the liberal crap.
I have to correct you on something though: you DO get more financial aid based on your race. I've seen it first hand with students in the same situation as myself.
PanteraChick 5 months ago
Anybody heard the recent statistics that college drop-out rates are at an all-time high? One reason is because minority students are attending college, mostly junior colleges, after high school for the FAFSA and student aid programs, and then dropping out of school due to poor grades and lack of scholarly discipline. It doesn't take a genius to see that most of white and asian culture put great emphasis on education, while other minorities don't.
boogiechillen123 5 months ago
@boogiechillen123 please tell me where i can find this study showing drop out rates broken down by race.
payasoinfeliz 4 months ago
@payasoinfeliz I can message you a legitimate government site showing that what he says is indeed true. However it is worth noting that the gaps are closing, and drop out rates are lower by far for every race now than they were a few decades ago. This is the result of primary educational reform.
Styxhexenhammer666 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 thanks, man! i will read the info.
payasoinfeliz 4 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 i checked the link, but it does not seem to be referring to college dropout rates, which is what boogie mentioned--i didnt mention "college" in my reply, but thats what i was referring to. it says, "16- through 24-year-olds who are not enrolled in school and have not earned a high school credential (either a diploma or an equivalency credential such as a General Educational Development [GED] certificate)." but thanks anyway. i appreciate that you took the time.
payasoinfeliz 4 months ago
It's really pitiful how this half white/chink(not buying part native american bs) fucker defends the "white status qou"...Wake up asshole,you're just a halfbreed.
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 5 months ago
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They call themselves "Anti-Racist", but all of their ideas and policies are ANTI-WHITE. What they actually are is Anti-White. "Anti-Racist" is just a code word for Anti-White.
Africa for Africans
Asia for Asians
White countries for EVERYBODY
4MyNation 5 months ago
Sometimes rhetorical logic seems iron clad if you're only interested in the word-play equation....We've established that its wrong to discriminate based on race, therefore surely its wrong to offer assistance based on race.... As rhetoric it makes sense but it's actually just a cynical concept reversal which ignores the real issue: Race based disadvantage. Can we acknowledge disadvantage but reject any attempt to address it because the language is too easy to manipulate? Is that real logic?
DingoBabyEat 5 months ago
@DingoBabyEat what about all the non-race based disadvantage? Should we give preference in admission to the poor, those from rural areas, those who have mental issues, etc?
Clearly no: The academic system is a boon to the economy by TRAINING THOSE CAPABLE OF BEING TRAINED. The ONLY qualification for actual admission should be based on intellectual abilities. If we want more minorities to be able to go, we should be improving the primary school system, not focusing on admitting the unqualified.
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago 4
@Styxhexenhammer666 There are always huge numbers of "qualified" students who will either miss out or win a place once the academically brilliant have been given first preference. Some of those qualified will come from disadvantaged backgrounds. In my country, places are set aside for a range of disadvantages including poverty and rural. But those students still have to meet an academic standard. It's like you're implying kids with no acumen are randomly plucked from the slums.
DingoBabyEat 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 well, you would have to establish that students are incapable of being trained to determine that the wrong individuals are being admitted for this training. the way affirmative action works--the way its supposed to work--is you are qualified first, and then given priority based on trends of disparity. so whether your being native american gave you an advantage or not has no bearing on whether youre qualified for admission.
payasoinfeliz 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 Nicely said. I was just about to say something similar, but you've basically summarized my thoughts.
AgentOfVirtue 4 months ago
@DingoBabyEat really, its a poor understanding of language, rather than manipulation. its not racist to discriminate race (which affirmative action does), but it is racist to discriminate based on race. affirmative action does not discriminate based on race, otherwise, asians would still benefit from it like they did decades ago, since theyre still asian (isolate the constant, find the variable). what changed was the trend of disadvantage afflicting them, not their race.
payasoinfeliz 5 months ago
@DingoBabyEat
Rhetorical logic? What? Are you referring to Informal Logic?
AugustinusHipponesis 4 months ago
@AugustinusHipponesis logic was a poor choice of words there, given the established forms...maybe replace it with reasoning
DingoBabyEat 4 months ago
I'm a minority and do feel that topics like these should spark conversation.
Unfortunately many minorites do not take their public education years serious. So what happens is they get older and expect assistance after they've fvcked around for many years. The minorities (us) take advantage of the situation.
mpcjunkie72 5 months ago
Well said.
Affirmitive Action is racist. Espeically toward white people.
MinmatarThrasher 5 months ago
The people who are holding the bake sale are dominantly white. They claim to fight racism against minorities. I call bullshit on it. They are white-supremacists or white-supremacist sympathizers. Clearly, if the affirmative action was so racist, then wouldn't the outcry come dominantly from minorities? Those minorities don't complain but while affirmative action is not perfect, but they understand that it is there to fix an institutionalized racism that already exists in the society.
GurgleGurgleBlahBlah 5 months ago
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah I consider myself native american and I'm calling out affirmative action as racist. There is NO institutionalized racism in colleges. We should focus on building up our primary educational system, NOT giving racist preference to people.
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666
You can get rid of AA as soon as you build a society that is race blind. AA tries to reduce the adverse effects of racism. If you are really interested in fighting against racism, then you better start talking about income disparity, job opportunity disparity, etc, between white/non-whites and between men/women.
GurgleGurgleBlahBlah 5 months ago
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah Race blindness IS a form of racism. Learn some anthropology.
Of course there are income disparities between whites and blacks.
There are also income disparities between a rural farmer and a new york lawyer... should be penalize the lawyer if they both apply for a loan?
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666
I'll ignore your stupid/racist comment relating blacks/whites to farmers/lawyers. But:
(1)There is institutionalized racism that effects all the minorities. I'm assuming you are not a total douchebag and you accept this.
(2)AA tries to lower the damage done by (1). Almost axiomatically, this has to be done by targeting the minorities.
Now, an ignoramus like you comes along and says, "OMFG! Legislation that targets minorities! Racism!" while completely missing the context.
GurgleGurgleBlahBlah 5 months ago
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah You pointed out a racially based disparity, I pointed out an income based disparity. Made sense to me. You liberals love to whine about how anyone who disagrees with affirmative action must be a racist.
I'd point out that as a native american brought up by an unemployed mother and a cook for a father, I'd be the garbage man if the black was the farmer and the white a lawyer.
You cannot excuse a racist admissions policy based on the guise of "helping people."
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666
I did not say your are a racist. I said that particular comment is either racist or stupid. Because black/white income disparity is about two equally competent individuals getting different levels of income solely based on race. Comparing it to farmer/lawyer income disparity is either stupid (if you are missing the point) or racist (if you believe whites should get more income anyways). Take your pick.
And calling it racist policy. You don't get it (continued)
GurgleGurgleBlahBlah 5 months ago
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah There is also disparity within each race that has just as big an effect. My family is poor. Should I be penalized on college admissions based on my supposedly white race, in favor of a black person who applies at the same time, and whose family makes a million dollars a year? Clearly if this is the case and you believe it, you're either an idiot, or you're stuck on the age old myth that because our grandparents were racist, we should have to suffer.
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666
If the condition of your family has had no adverse effect on you getting a proper education then yes. A black person is constantly being bombarded by implicit and scientifically unfounded messages that whites are more intelligent (e.g., same is true for women regarding math). This lowers his/her performance, and damages the confidence regardless of their income or status. So yes, if you are perceived white, you have been enjoying some privileges that he/she did not have.
GurgleGurgleBlahBlah 5 months ago
Consider this: assume all the black people are somehow being robbed 100$ a month by the racist society. Would it be racist policy to try and give them the 100$ back? If yes, then elaborate. If no, then you accept that it is possible that race-based policies are not by definition racist. If you have an answer other than yes/no then you're evading the question. This is not a question of fairness or any other issue. This is a question of race.
GurgleGurgleBlahBlah 5 months ago
Kid you what the job! you have a brain WOW where the hell did you come from.
And you say you lean to the comme side,yea right I ride on UFOs you sir have it going on where ever your from. Thanks
RoflmaoAtSheepeople 5 months ago
Their are far to many liveing ass holes now liveing. Sir your right on. And Why cant guys like you run for Office. And show the country their are some common
sence folks out here.
RoflmaoAtSheepeople 5 months ago
My problem is the value given to each race who in this group mark the price of this bake sale as you can see we equal low price the same as poor quality .
frankmedina 5 months ago
This is a rather masturbatory video about your opinion on affirmative action (not quite the bill in question), and only briefly addresses the bake sale. The intent of the act is inconsequential if the results are discriminatory. The pricing scheme of the bake sale is racist. Volunteering racism into the world is wrong. Case closed.
pimpcronus 5 months ago
@pimpcronus "The pricing scheme of the bake sale is racist."
So you admit giving people different levels of treatment based on race is racism? So why would you support preferential admittance to a college based on race?
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666
You are being deliberately obtuse. The purpose of AA is not to discriminate against whites but to fix the institutionalized racism against the minorities. If you actually do some useful reading, you'll get that such institutionalized racism affects all black students regardless of their locations. So shut the fuck up and do some googling on psychological effects of racism.
GurgleGurgleBlahBlah 5 months ago
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah So it's racism against a minority, but if it's against a white male, it's ok! Ok I see your indisputable logic.
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666
Please do not put words in my mouth. I made no comment about my opinion of the bill; my opposition is to the bake sale's means of conveying its purpose. I understand their opinion and what they are trying to do, but they are going about it in a way that is discriminatory and unimaginative.
Analogy: starting a war to ensure world peace.
pimpcronus 5 months ago
Asians get so screwed over because of affirmative action. Why can't admissions look at criteria excluding race?
jpzxcvbnm 5 months ago
@fuckzionismandislam I disagree. It gives a minority priority over a job when a white individual may be more qualified.
636f 5 months ago
Fuck affirmative action. It's reverse racism.
636f 5 months ago
And ignore the douche bag named Shawn Lewis.
Obviously this idiot is a publicity seeker.
brianl9944 5 months ago
@brianl9944 No he's seeking to expose your idiotic hypocrisy
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 if you think the bake sale is wrong you must think sb185 is wrong otherwise you would be being a hypocrite.
rulesforrebels 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 well if that true he did not do a good job he got owned by Tim Wise on CNN
djkaos81 5 months ago
@brianl9944 this guy is a patriot and obviously much more well spoken and intelligient than yourself judging by how you choose to make your points.
rulesforrebels 5 months ago
Actually whites are a minority at Berkeley. Majority are asians.. especially in those highly competitive programs such as EE CS, Business. Whites get preferential treatment over Asians males. So you'd get your fact straight and STFU.
brianl9944 5 months ago
I am a Berkeley student and I do see your point, but I think the College of Republicans could have expressed their opinion in a different, respectful manner.
stephc0818 5 months ago
@stephc0818 they are exposing the hypocrisy of this bill
rulesforrebels 5 months ago
I however agree that "Affirmative Action" has a lot of problems..They should focus more on fixing the garbage school system. It would help prevent issues like this one.
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 fix the schools that serve minority communities, dont just give minorities who dont deserve it free entry into college based on skin color
rulesforrebels 5 months ago
@rulesforrebels i would love to fix the schools that serve underprivileged kids, but i don't have the power or money to do it... and there's no "free" entry for anyone...quotas as stated above are illegal therefore it isn't required for the schools to take in a certain amount of "minorities"... race is paired up with socioeconomic settings and other factors in the bill because STATISTICALLY it's true that minorities perform lower due to crappy schooling in low class areas..read the bill.
gangstamind187 5 months ago
"Applying to college should be based academic intellect."
Well there are academically capable people in any group. The problem is that statistically "minorities" are victims of a bullshit public school system (look at the Educational Pipeline for reference.) And when low income students (most minority students) take the SAT they are being tested on a level that high income students are actually being taught. Public schools in low income areas are statistically bad schools.
gangstamind187 5 months ago 2
@gangstamind187 agreed it should be based on ability. minorities shoudl be offended this bill is being proposed. appaerntly politicians think minorities are inept and not as good as whites and need a free entry based on skin color and not ability.
rulesforrebels 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 you took the words right out of my mouth!
o0R3stless0o 5 months ago
@gangstamind187
So then why not have a system based on income level? Why bring race and ethnicity into it at all?
I think the real issue is people are afraid that even with perfectly equal opportunities, blacks will still place consistently behind whites.
SteinUndStahl666 5 months ago
@SteinUndStahl666 read the bill..race isn't the only factor that could be used..and quotas are illegal anyways so race is just being used as a way of indicating unequal opportunities along with income and other factors.
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187
Well, race shouldn't be used at all. Income factors I can understand, and even then they have to be careful to not give jobs to undeserving people. But race should not be considered at all.
As for quotas, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Quotas still have to be filled in lots of jobs. Affirmative action is a harsh reality that our country has moved from one form of state racism to another.
SteinUndStahl666 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 Then base affirmative action on social class and not race. Affirmative action is inherently racist in essential saying we don't think your as smart as your white brethren
Da55Moose 5 months ago
@Da55Moose no it implies that most "minority" students don't have the same resources as most people. You should look at the differences between Garfield High School in LA and Hollywood High School....that's the problem. And why base it solely on income if there are issues that affect minorities that don't affect whites..
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 Then why not focus on improving the educational opportunities of poor schools? I'd point out there are plenty of majority white areas with shitty schools too, especially in redneck land in the south and midwest, trust me I've seen it firsthand!
I agree with unilaterally improving conditions at all lacking schools so we can get the country back to top notch education levels. I do NOT agree with disenfranchising whites who went to schools just as shitty, just because they're white
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
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DesertPrepper 5 months ago
@DesertPrepper yea crack fucked up a lot of families..ever research how the drugs got here in the first place?...smh
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 Yeah the CIA and RICKY ROSS, but who smoked it? Who ruined their families for that shit? Did white people make them smoke it? No, they wanted that shit. They didnt give a FUCK about their families, they jsut wanted that crack and heroine, and you cant just blame white people. I mean, they aint on the corner slinging rocks.
DesertPrepper 5 months ago
@DesertPrepper i never blamed white people in the first place..haha...stop trying to flip the script on me..and crack was purposely leaked onto minority neighborhoods so we could argue about stuff like this..the people did what they knew best..they did whatever it took to make money..you think the CIA and those bankers/ politicians didn't know that? the prison industrial complex, public school system, etc. all ties in.
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 We agree on a lot of stuff. In a round about way you did blame white people, you brought up that schools in non-drug ravished neighborhoods are good, and have better quality of graduating student. You implied that poor schools don't have good scores cos of the prison copmplex. Not because schools get money based on property taxes and in shit areas the taxes are low, so schools get shit money. The system needs to get fixed, but AA and no child left with a mind, are not the answers
DesertPrepper 5 months ago
@DesertPrepper I blame the "elites" in the world..most happen to be white because well historically they got ahead of most of us...remember how white males who OWNED property could vote (leaving out poor white men and women? I have more in common with poor white people than i do with rich black and latino people...race is just a small issue..classism is the big issue..read the bill..it's not completely about race.
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 Like I said, we probably agree on more things, than we disagree on. The bill might have good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This bill is not needed. It was created to further polarize folks like us, and distract us from things like the fast and furious scandal, and the fact that American tax dollars are going to be bailing out Ireland,Greece, and other fucked Euro trash countries, and it fucking worked.
DesertPrepper 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 Just like slavery, your own people are selling your race out for some "bling" on they neck....
DesertPrepper 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 Well I guess since I'm 1/8th Cherokee I can apply for college as a Native American and get a discount.
Woot woot!
Affirmitive Action is racist plain and simple.
MinmatarThrasher 5 months ago
@MinmatarThrasher what discounts?
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 The ability to attend college because my skin tone is dark.
MinmatarThrasher 5 months ago
@MinmatarThrasher go read the bill...it's called SB- 185
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 I did.
It takes into consideration one's race and ethnicity for enrollment.
MinmatarThrasher 5 months ago
@MinmatarThrasher "may consider race, gender, ethnicity, national origin, geographic origin & household income, along with other relevant factors, in grad/undergrad admissions, so long as no preference is given." also quotas are illegal..now, notice race and ethnicity was paired with income etc..why? well because Statistically most low income students who have less resources are of certain race...that's fact..this bill is meant to highlight the disadvantages of some intelligent individuals.
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 Public Schools. Need I say more?
Look, the mere fact that it says those things, regardless of the situation, makes it racist. Bottom line end of story. It's racist. And you can't justify racism no matter how hard you try.
You know what I call that bill? Friendly racism.
Unless you're white of course.
MinmatarThrasher 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 Getting a k-12 public education worth about $120,000 per student is anything but a "bullshit public school system." Poor students in this country are given opportunities that most young people throughout the world would literally kill for, but they choose not to take advantage of those opporunities. And what is wrong with asking students from poorer neighborhoods to measure up to middle class students? It seems to me that being poor should be an added incentive to work harder.
SgtSoot 5 months ago
@SgtSoot oh man..haha.. right...i chose to take only two AP classes my junior and senior year in high school because i was lazy -___- ...not all public schools have the resources to finance AP classes and other college prep programs... public schools mostly run on real estate taxes so of course public schools in low income areas suck..I have friends in college who have told me stories about counselors who told them to not even attempt getting into college...you wouldn't know that though..
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@SgtSoot and students are tested on test taking ironically (the SAT) ..that's why they have really expensive SAT prep classes that most can't afford...high income students can and they already have better teachers etc. so they place higher statistically.
gangstamind187 5 months ago
@gangstamind187 But being "poor" in the US- where the poor and unemployed are provided with housing, a car, a big screen TV, and an xbox for the kids courtesy of the taxpayers- is hardly an incentive. I wish the taxpayers would provide me with all those "bare essentials," but I'm white.
SgtSoot 5 months ago
@SgtSoot being a minority has little to do with getting government aid..like welfare...whites in this country receive the most help...look it up..even most illegals pay taxes! but i'm sure you wouldn't know that either...smh
gangstamind187 5 months ago
You do know that Quotas are illegal and have nothing to do with these bills right? You may be part Native American, however I am sure that you do not identify as such and thus enjoy your privileges as a white male. I have a feeling you do not want to take into consideration anything regarding privilege. Please read Bonilla-Silva... There are so many holes in what you are saying.
djkaos81 5 months ago 2
@djkaos81 Giving race consideration in entrance to academics is foolish and is a form of racism, it's so amusing that there are people too ignorant to understand this.
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 While you may find things like this "amusing" I take this very seriously. Do you believe that students that did not have the chance to receive the same education as many white students receive are still ignorant? You do know that while affirmative action was allowed it benefited mainly white woman.
djkaos81 5 months ago
@djkaos81 they may have been disadvanted educationally but what does putting soemone who doesnt deserve to be there and who cant keep up entry just based on skin color is going to do?
rulesforrebels 5 months ago
@rulesforrebels How can you say that they do not deserve to be there? When given the chance these students whom you say are undeserving flourish. Also, many of the people on this thread need to read the bill. It is not affirmative action. Also, have the students you feel are deserving have been babied and catered to most of their lives.
djkaos81 5 months ago
@djkaos8 Please tell me what these benefits are? I would love to know where i go to get them. Is their some card im supposed to carry. What a fucking joke. Whites are piss poor and white men cant even be proud or have self respect i was fucking born in 1987 piss poor in a shit part of the town i worked my fucking ass off and am now an accountant., I unlike my african american friends and hispanics buddiews did not have much help from any abgency or institution. I had to fight against the tide.
ITHEREONETHATHASNT 5 months ago
@ITHEREONETHATHASNT congratulations on making it out. I was born in 86' in the same circumstances as you. However, my parents did not speak English and I had to work as a child. Plus as a minority child I was looked down upon. I have been called countless things while growing up that I did not deserve. The fact of the matter is that schools in Minority neighborhoods do not have the same educational benefits that white areas have. Also, minorities don't receive any help until they reach college.
djkaos81 5 months ago
@djkaos81 So, what about white people, like me, who were pretty much poor and went to school in the 'minority' areas? Am I just screwed because I'm white? Why is it that people seem to lump 'white' and 'well off' together? They're not one in the same.
lisa333watson 5 months ago
@lisa333watson It is unfortunate, but there are not very many like you. However, I understand what you are speaking of. I have a few close white friends who grew up in the ghetto. One attends Cal here with me while the other two attend state colleges. I am very interested in there experiences now that you ask. Great point.
djkaos81 5 months ago
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DesertPrepper 5 months ago
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DesertPrepper 5 months ago
@djkaos81 Stfu you cunt. who do you fucking think you are to say whether he fells native american or not. what priveleges are you fucking whining about dumb prick. there is a lot of poor white and a lot of non poor black and mexican american there aint no fucking race privelege anymore. you dont fucking make sense you say he has "holes" in what he say yet you dont pinpoint any. ill tell you wat holes are in wat you are saying. youre a stupid whiny lil bitch. low income is already considered
nertos466 5 months ago
@nertos466 once again..... don't cuss at me just because I am bringing up points. By the way you speak I see that you have nothing to bring to the table. Have a good one
djkaos81 5 months ago
@djkaos81 there is 40 % asian in berkeley and 30% white so stop fucking whining like a litttle bitch white dont have privelege fuck you cunt you didnt get in good schools beacause your a moron
nertos466 5 months ago
@nertos466 wow how interesting..... your use of language does nothing but tell me you have nothing better to say. lmfao guess what I am a 3rd year Junior attending Cal....... gasp a Mexican american?? yes. It took me a lot to get here and I am proud. I'm here to debate not get cussed at so come at me in a different way. I do not hate anyone for doing what they are doing im just here to debate and have my opinion heard.
djkaos81 5 months ago
@djkaos81 Let me pose this aspect of the State Bill. It's intent is to promote diversity; what level of diversity is the correct one? Who has the mandate to promote diversity? The State? Do you know how elitist that sounds?
Why stop at education? Let's promote diversity at the micro level! Let's mandate diversity in local neighborhoods! Where does this line of reasoning end?
What do you mean by "Privilege" ?
SkinyPost 5 months ago
@SkinyPost white privilege male privilege there are plenty of forms of it. If you have taken any sociology classes even at the intro level these are the things you learn. All I am saying is that this guy is making it sounds as if the people who are supposedly going to "replace" other students are ignorant minorities who are of "average" intelligence. Lets face it to get into a UC you do have to a lot. Many students of color do have to accomplish more and jump through hoops to get there
djkaos81 5 months ago
Yeah I agree I here whites complain about "race " based choosing but not for alumni or the children of former students or donors. So people must also signify that as well. Also people from other countries have a better chance ,is that bad. Admissions choose people based on a host of things not just race. But more importantly people like diversity and that not a bad thing.
blueiguy1 5 months ago
@blueiguy1 I don't agree with alumni based acceptance, or for donations.
Styxhexenhammer666 5 months ago
@Styxhexenhammer666 I think you make a fare point but were do we draw the line? IDK
blueiguy1 5 months ago
@blueiguy1 hey dummie illinoispoliticians just got in trouble for this very thing.
rulesforrebels 5 months ago
You may be part Native American but, judging by your looks, you experience the world and the world experiences you as a Caucasian, so you get all the preferences and privileges that they do. People only know you are ethnic if you choose to tell them. African Americans and others of color wear their cultural identity on their faces and in their names. This allows our society to know fairly accurately who to allow and who to eliminate. Lucky you.
janehw 5 months ago
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InfernalBlitzkrieg 5 months ago
As soon as Berkeley did not HAVE to extend affirmative action privileges to qualified non European races, they stopped immediately. Even WITH racial affirmative action, people of European decent get first crack at 80% of all that is good in the country,(i.e. education, jobs, opportunity, housing, leadership opportunities, etc.) Why are they and the Republican Party whining over the tiny 20% left to be divided among the rest of Americans. Are they afraid of the competition?
janehw 5 months ago
When qualified students of traditionally disenfranchised groups apply to Berkeley now, Berkeley tends to ignore them in favor of affirmative action for Caucasians, athletes, people of European decent, the children of donors and legacy families. If you are against affirmative action, be against ALL of it for ALL groups. Then the playing field is level and things can truly be fair.
janehw 5 months ago
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Dear sir,
You make several assumptions. You assume that some ethnic groups could not qualify academically to attend Berkeley. African Americans and other ethnic groups can and do in large numbers, despite the artificial barriers our country places in their paths. You assume there is no affirmative action now. There is and has always been. But the affirmative action is for Caucasians, athletes, people of European decent, the children of donors and legacy families.
janehw 5 months ago
Dear sir,
You make several assumptions. You assume that some ethnic groups could not qualify academically to attend Berkeley. African Americans and other ethnic groups can and do in large numbers, despite the artificial barriers our country places in their paths. You assume there is no affirmative action now. There is and has always been. But the affirmative action is for Caucasians, athletes, people of European decent, the children of donors and legacy families.
janehw 5 months ago
Minorities are already granted many advantages in College due strictly to the fact that they are a minority! As a white student with close to a 4.0 average, it was nearly impossible to apply for many, many of the scholarships out there. To say it is based on merit is just not true. I challenge you to look at any site that offers financial aid and tell me that the majority of scholarships offered are not based on the color of your skin! Wake up people!
kimiinny 5 months ago
Everything this guy talks about is Affirmative Action! SB 185 is not affirmative action; first get your facts right! There is a reason why the number of minorities in the UC system is low!!! INSTITUTIONAL RACISM!!!! when minorities get into college, its not because they are just as good, its because they are twice as good. SB 185 allows the UC system to take race into consideration just like legacy has been a factor to admit students for years. Its just a way to minimize the gap between races!!
samlovewoods 5 months ago