That's so sad!!! He promised he would come back and as we know, he never did! And now, as the new series hints, she has somehow died, and the doctor will never have a chance to see her again. His last remaining relative... So very, very, sad.
@DoomNote12 Just remember, The Doctor thinks that Jenny (The Doctor's Daughter) is dead, too. And he thought he was the last of the Time Lords even before The Master hoolaboo. He's known to be wrong in this sort of thing, and I'm hoping he is, too. I'd love to have Susan (probably regenerated, by now) walk up to Matt Smith's Doctor and address him as "Grandfather" ... ha.
1)The regeneration idea was thought of at the end of pertwees reighn, untill then we were just told that he had a new face.
2) due to canonical trees, for herto ever make a return,(as you may recall that was the purpose of this argument) she would be classified as a timelord, and therefore the void is neutralised
3) You shall age and you shall die, i shall keep regenerating, he was referring to skipping death, not to anti-aging
4)tens speach-exo-philisophical banter, in short dont overthink it.
@doctorwho3600 Hey! Perhaps you should have replied to me directly if this was intended to be a response to what I said- or maybe you were afraid I'd challenge you again :) Some big words there, sonny. Master the art of basic punctuation and spelling and they'd seem a whole lot more impressive, I guarantee it...
@pufferfishish my apologies, i was going to reply properly but i wasnt paying much attention to where i clicked, the punctuation and spelling is because i am still learning to type, and i thrive on challenges
@doctorwho3600 I think what you actually thrive on is getting the last word, mate. I think what we have here with regards to Susan's biology is basically open to interpretation- much like the rest of Dr Who- a recurring line in the series was 'I'll explain later' or 'I'll explain one day', and yes, a fair chunk of the characters' backstories were made up as it went along. Your opinion is only that, Adric... sorry, whatever your name is :P
@pufferfishish my name is ronnie and i dont thrive on the last word because with the last word you never find out whether or not you won the argument, and agreed susans biology is SOMEWHAT open to interpretation but i would still like to point out that this argument started over whether or not susan could ever return to doctor who, and through any given interpretation the answer is still no due to given evidence
This is how you do it, not like when Leela stayed behind on Gallifrey at the end of "The Invasion Of Time", where she gets randomly paired off with little explaination whatsoever.
@mipuck97 So is Ms. Frizzle. Think about it. Wacky attitude. Silly attire. Has a flying machine that can change shape. America's favorite teacher was really a Time Lady.
@Pizzaboyzmvp well.. when you consider that he left her behind with a man whom they'd only known for a few hours.. with one shoe.. in the middle of a junkyard.. on a destroyed version of planet earth.. and she was still a highschool student.. and all this on the basis of a spontaneous decision that he'd made only 3 minutes beforehand... :/
Yes, it could have been worse but it still comes across to me as being highly irresponsible.
@Pizzaboyzmvp well.. when you consider that he left her behind with a man whom they'd only known for a few hours.. with one shoe.. in the middle of a junkyard.. on a destroyed version of planet earth.. and she was still a highschool student.. and all this on the basis of a spontaneous decision that he'd made only 3 minutes beforehand... :/
Yes, it could have been worse but it still comes across to me as being highly irresponsible.
Question is: did they REALLY & TRULY lose so many episodes w/this particular Doc, or are they TOP SECRET somewhere because they would be a lack of harmony w/who we currently know as the Doc? 1st episode we know anything about, available on YouTube, is bad enough on contradicting absolutely everything I know about the Doc from Pertwee onwards! If I ever get my way on the rewrite I'd like to do on other fiction, would be convenient to trash/burn 50% of what's been written for legend continuity!
1 area where we know w/certainty that the Doctor's exaggerated his age is that his Sylvester McCoy incarnation claimed to have been 975yrs old BACK THEN. If dude wasn't ALREADY making himself younger than he was w/lying about his age, then dude's AT LEAST 1200 now in the new stuff, if not 1500 to 1800yrs old MINIMALLY. Waiting for a big day of discovery on some future Doctor Who episode where they decide to reconcile that in the story w/an "OMG" moment where he realizes how old he REALLY is! LOL
Doctor exaggerates his age, like women who are 29 forever. Prior to being known as the Doctor, in TimeLord history he was known as The Other, with even a festival in his honour as one of the 3 founders of TimeLord society that was called Other's-tide. Dude's maybe as old as Moses would be to us if he'd never died in Old Testament history! Perhaps as old as the Pre- Old Testament Enoch, if he'd remained in this world. Long, long story with some gray area as to the Doctor's quasi-reincarnation.
@fgmPostApocalypticTV You do realise Lungbarrow's non-canon, don't you? That whole "The Doctor was a super-ancient legendary Time Lord reincarnated" thing....
"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then there must no regrets no tears no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I'm not mistaken in mine." That is the greatest goodbye ever!!!
I've recently started viewing the original run of the series and wanted my first showing of the Original to be something big, so I went with Dalek invasion of Earth. I have yet to be disapointed by this or any other Doctor. While I can't honestly say I enjoy every story, I can honestly say I enjoy every interpritation of the Doctor.
Susan is obe of the timelords surviving the time war because she was left in the 22nd century. Now susan is left with 1 shoe and a continous life. Its a great idea to have a future episode with amy and rory finding susans bedroom and the holed shoe
I'd love to see in a future ep of like rory and Amy walking in the tradis halls and come across a room with a bed and thing and 1 worn out shoe sitting on the bed.
Even if Susan is dead along with the rest of the time lords. The doctor could simply travel back there to a point before she died. It's not like she dies a few hours after he leaves.
The funny thing is, no matter how much he has changed in all his versions, in body or in mind, i always feel like its still one person. That is nothing short of brilliant! To have so many changes and still, at core, be the same as when the series started and thats why i feel that Doctor Who is unquestionably the best tv-series EVER!!!
Loves how people doubt Susan & Doctor being grandchild and grandparent and actually the actress who played Susan has issues with it to as it was never in doubt until Who fans started over thinking the show saying it's *impossible* The original intention of the show was for them to be related and this was done to avoid the Taboo of an elderly single man traveling around with a 15 yr old minor. If they weren't related why would the 600 yr 1st Doctor travel with a 15 yr girl? kinda creepy right
I have a theory: people who keep up with the more recent episodes of Dr. Who know that Amy may or may not be pregnant. We saw a little girl regenerate in an alleyway. I think that, because Amy has been traveling in the TARDIS while pregnant, her baby has 'absorbed' some of the TARDIS' time-lord qualities. I also think that this girl's daughter will be Susan, and that this season of Dr Who will be the one where they finally visit the Doctor's 'granddaughter'.
@larkincole Interesting theory, and I think you may be right to some degree. We'll have to see how it pans out.
I definitely think you're right about the pregnancy thing; no-one in travelling in the Tardis has ever done so while being pregnant before, and to run such a storyline without exploring what ramifications time travel might have on an unborn baby would be nothing short of a wasted opportunity.
It's amazing how even back then Doctor Who provoked such brilliant emotions. Back then and now, and in all the years to come- DOCTOR WHO IS THE BEST SHOW IN THE UNIVERSE!
They really should do an episode soon where he does go back, Carole Ann Ford, who played Susan, is in her early 70s but still looks like she's in her late 30s early 40s. She's done a few Who fanfilms as Susan, and has said if they ever asked her she'd comeback in a heartbeat.
a big thank you to the bbc radiophonic workshop for the theme and incidental music that accompanied the series.the leader of which i think was elizabeth parker.there were no microchips around in the 1960,s or for many years after.
that sign about dumping bodies in the river,what a romantic back drop ! add to it what sounds like a harmonium , brilliant
In the last episode, the Doctor must come back (And he should be layed by an older actor like the first, David McCallum) and he must find out his real name (but the audience will never find out)
You know...maybe the Doctor will still go back for his granddaughter? Could be interesting episode for Matt Smith...having to go back to get his granddaughter that he "hid" away on 22nd century earth?
@TheAndyinSeattle I doubt it because all indications are that shes a timelady so she would have been killed, most likely when he used the moment and ended the time war. Also I heard he went back in one of the 8th doctor audio adventures. Although there is no statement whether or not they're canon to the show beyond him being the 8th doctor.
@GrimmShadowsII and by killed I mean most likly wiped out of existence, which is why he was never able to go back and save anyone. The most common theory now is that 'The Moment' was a demat gun so even going back before the time war she still wouldn't be there. Which is why in the new series the timelords are nothing more then legends, the only one that ever exsited is the Doctor and he doesn't annouce his pressence to everyone he saves the day and leaves.
Well, when a mummy and a daddy love each other very much, they have a child. And when that child has a child, you get a grandchild. I have some websites that I can recommend on the subject.... :)
@zynahchan I imagine so, they haven't shown her regenerating in any spin-off media yet though. Just one thing, regeneration doesn't make the time lords immortal, they have a 12 regenerations limit.
@JediSlayer22 Time Lords ARE immortal. As long as they avoid situations that can lead to physical death they can live forever.
"Regeneration" is a process that allows a Time Lord to cheat death if they get caught up in a situation that can lead to it (eg. potentially fatal injury etc.).
And the Regeneration "Limit" is updated from time to time. It's currently 12. But it has already been raised and could be raised again in future. But the limit doesn't stop a Time Lord from living forever.
@jhibbitt1 i thought the same thing...and you know in david's last episode i think that the white lady is supposed to be susan....she was obviously someone the doctor knew quite well
@TheNeonrose02 That would be such a sweet moment. i know in the Big Finish audio dramas the Eighth Doctor was reunited with Susan, but it would be nice to see the actress reprise her role as Susan on T.V. and what a juxtaposition it would be that her Grandfather would look younger than she does.
@TheNeonrose02 If she was on Gallifrey, girl's DEAD. Nobody to go see. Timelock means even Gallifrey's distant past isn't able to be visited. Doctor made that painful decision that was essentially the genocide of the TimeLords and Daleks, and perhaps others, to save the rest of Creation. It's the understood context of the interim yrs between the 8th and 9th Doctor(s) & why 9th & even 10th for a while had to deal with survivor's guilt.
@TheNeonrose02 the woman who plays her is about 65 by now it takes time lords centuries to age that amount and by the time shed spent that long on earth she would be old and bitter and full of hate for being abandoned, the only way out would be to say she had regenerated and that causes countless problems I cant even biggen to list so even though she was the best companion ever and she really should return, it is not possible to do so, sorry mate :-(
@doctorwho3600 She's older than that; Carole Ann Ford was born in 1939. Time Lords don't age, remember? They simply regenerate- it's one of the reasons why Tom Baker decided to leave, as he was visibly older by the end of his tenure and the character would have stayed looking the same. Saying she categorically would have been old and bitter and full of hate is a bit of a sweeping statement I have to say. It's only one possible route that the writers could choose to take.
@pufferfishish no, time lords do age, just at a very slow rate, but carol anne ford is much older now and therefore if her character ever appeared on screen again she would have to claim that it had been centuries, and tthat would open a whole heap of shit, im sorry if i was unclear last time.
@doctorwho3600 You're not right; if that was the case then 10 neither would have said 'I don't age- I regenerate' in School Reunion, nor would 6 have said to Peri 'You'll age here in the Tardis and then die- I shall go on regenerating until all my lives are spent'. The regeneration plot device was only decided on when Hartnell was leaving and not when the series began, so the debated rate at which Susan should/shouldn't age is therefore void.
sum say that tom baker is the doctor of all doctors but william hartnell is the FATHER of all doctors. its thanks to william hartnell that this show still exists
@greatsayain They zoomed in on Susan's copy of the TARDIS key, it's hard to make out but if you look at the brick near the center of shot you can see the key placed upon it.
@milliondollarmistake She did briefly reappear in the 1983 special episode The Five Doctors, although I was displeased with the rendition of Susan as well as the first doctor...
@drewhadou this is my first time seeing this and my jaw droped susan looks exactly like a girl at my school put red hair on her and it would be her clone
To me, this is about the only instance when the Hartnell era can compare to the current Who. Despite all the old technology and iffy directing and producing, this scene rises above average TV. like gialla said, Rose's departure means nothing compared to this, at the time, I felt that Doomsday was the most powerful episode to date, but now watching this, even though I am not the biggest Hartnell era fan, I just GET this scene. It beats T Bakers regen and Adric's death as powerful TV. Wow :)
@SuperRichi1A I agree. I just got through watching The Dalek Invasion of Earth. The end was really touching. In fact, it got me almost as much as the 10th Doctor's regeneration.
@mgm9381 lol, maybe by this time she is but in the beginning she was to Dr. Who waht Chekov was to Star Trek. IE The one screams and faints when there is danger.
Part of what makes this incredible is alot of what was shot was shot live. No re-takes or anything. You can kinda tell with how much of this is done with one single camera shot.
Another thing that makes this heart-breaking is William Hartnell was actually dying. They wrote the regeneration thing into it because they wanted to continue the show, but couldn't with Hartnell.
@Snakester1 When Eccleston was on, they had a bit where he met a Doctor who said "I was a father and a grandfather, now I'm neither but still a Doctor", and the Doctor said he knew the feeling.
Very touching, tv at its best.....no sadly he has never gone back to visit Susan (though she appears in the five Doctors after this event) - I guess now time has been rewreitten so many times who knows what there is to find if he did =/
So first question: did the Doctor ever come back for Susan and whats-his-nuts?
and question two: If the answer to the previous question is no, then does that mean she's still living on Earth, thus we could see Susan again (different actor though) and the Doctor is not the last of the Time Lords? Ahh a fan can only dream.
I want to say that I read in one of the novelizations (its been years so im a bit fuzzy) that susan was the sole survivor of his family on gallifrey and that he actually went back under threat of death and scooped her up so she wouldnt be a boring old time lady bogged down by gallifreys soft bellied society. Supposedly in the beginning of his exile, the time lords had a warrant out for his death.
"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."
Did they ever actually do an episode of him meeting her again? If not I wish they'd do one it would definitely be something to watch. Its always been hinted at in the newer ones that The Doctor still knows of her so meeting her again in the new ones would be really cool
"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."
Did they ever actually do an episode of him meeting her again? If not I wish they'd do one it would definitely be something to watch. Its always been hinted at in the newer ones that The Doctor still knows of her so meeting her again in the new ones would be really cool
"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."
Did they ever actually do an episode of him meeting her again? If not I wish they'd do one it would definitely be something to watch. Its always been hinted at in the newer ones that The Doctor still knows of her so meeting her again in the new ones would be really cool
I feel they should clarify this in the series, like say Susan had one Timelord parent and one human parent. This could mean her only Timelord attributes would be great intelligence and maybe quicker healing from cuts and bruises than other people... but still mostly human and so could live as one.
There's also the fact she dropped the TARDIS key, too... anyone could've picked it up...
Didnt the David Tennant doctor admit once he had been married and had children; maybe this would explain why the william hartnell doctor had a grandaughter. Remember these folks are time travellers ;)
Well, see the sperm meets the egg, and then the end product either male of female joins its with someone else's... and the result is another new creature.
I bet that shoe is still lying around in some corner of the TARDIS where it has recently been joined by Rose's Hoodie. T-T
Some things about this Guy don't ever change. I can't help but to feel reminded of how the Doctor left Rose with his duplicate, shutting the Door and running away. For no matter how often he saves the earth, he's never been good with 'domestic' stuff...
I deeply respect the heritage of this show, but this scene is BORING! It's like a terrible high school play......the blocking, the pacing, all so awkward and slow as though no one has any purpose and is kind of making it up as they go along.
What you have to appreciate is that this was in the 60's, sure the acting was quite basic back then but it's things like this which really make me appreciate the show for what it is.
:( Its too bad he cant really come back. RIP Billy Hartnell, you built the foundations of the Doctors character, your the first and will always be the best.
William Hartnell
1908 - 1975
"Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. Goodbye Susan. Goodbye my dear."
The original outline for the series did not intend the pair to be related, but writer Anthony Coburn created the family tie as he was disturbed by the possible sexual connotations of an old man travelling alone with a teenage girl.
That's so sad!!! He promised he would come back and as we know, he never did! And now, as the new series hints, she has somehow died, and the doctor will never have a chance to see her again. His last remaining relative... So very, very, sad.
DoomNote12 2 weeks ago
@DoomNote12 Just remember, The Doctor thinks that Jenny (The Doctor's Daughter) is dead, too. And he thought he was the last of the Time Lords even before The Master hoolaboo. He's known to be wrong in this sort of thing, and I'm hoping he is, too. I'd love to have Susan (probably regenerated, by now) walk up to Matt Smith's Doctor and address him as "Grandfather" ... ha.
ZachHopeful 22 hours ago
Love that dirty and tired as they are their hair is still perfectly in place. =)
Gubbywubby 2 weeks ago
1)The regeneration idea was thought of at the end of pertwees reighn, untill then we were just told that he had a new face.
2) due to canonical trees, for herto ever make a return,(as you may recall that was the purpose of this argument) she would be classified as a timelord, and therefore the void is neutralised
3) You shall age and you shall die, i shall keep regenerating, he was referring to skipping death, not to anti-aging
4)tens speach-exo-philisophical banter, in short dont overthink it.
doctorwho3600 1 month ago
@doctorwho3600 Hey! Perhaps you should have replied to me directly if this was intended to be a response to what I said- or maybe you were afraid I'd challenge you again :) Some big words there, sonny. Master the art of basic punctuation and spelling and they'd seem a whole lot more impressive, I guarantee it...
pufferfishish 1 month ago
@pufferfishish my apologies, i was going to reply properly but i wasnt paying much attention to where i clicked, the punctuation and spelling is because i am still learning to type, and i thrive on challenges
doctorwho3600 4 weeks ago
@doctorwho3600 I think what you actually thrive on is getting the last word, mate. I think what we have here with regards to Susan's biology is basically open to interpretation- much like the rest of Dr Who- a recurring line in the series was 'I'll explain later' or 'I'll explain one day', and yes, a fair chunk of the characters' backstories were made up as it went along. Your opinion is only that, Adric... sorry, whatever your name is :P
pufferfishish 4 weeks ago
@pufferfishish my name is ronnie and i dont thrive on the last word because with the last word you never find out whether or not you won the argument, and agreed susans biology is SOMEWHAT open to interpretation but i would still like to point out that this argument started over whether or not susan could ever return to doctor who, and through any given interpretation the answer is still no due to given evidence
doctorwho3600 3 weeks ago
@doctorwho3600 plus there is the fact that she knew time lord history inside out in the five doctors...
doctorwho3600 3 weeks ago
@doctorwho3600 Who's arguing? Certainly not me. I've got bigger fish to fry. Whatever. Peace
pufferfishish 3 weeks ago
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You know, if you play this from 1:40 and add the track "The Wedding of River Song" the music utterly goes with the action :D
JohnHutch 1 month ago
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JohnHutch 1 month ago
I like how it says It Is Forbidden To Dump Bodies Into The River
TimBurtonRules 2 months ago
He's such a kind old mad man isn't he?
TimBurtonRules 2 months ago
I wonder if we'll ever see him "come back"...
This is how you do it, not like when Leela stayed behind on Gallifrey at the end of "The Invasion Of Time", where she gets randomly paired off with little explaination whatsoever.
xeractus 2 months ago
"It is forbidden to dump bodies into the river"? Wow, London in the swinging 60s... :D
PatchesRips 3 months ago
@PatchesRips that was explained earlier in the episode
doctorwho3600 3 months ago
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@doctorwho3600 "that was explained earlier in the episode"
NOT to my satisfaction!
DO OVER!
LOL :)
loneprimate 3 months ago
I just relised that James Bond is a timelord too! He always changes too. TIMELORDS ARE TAKING OVER M16!
mipuck97 3 months ago
@mipuck97 So is Ms. Frizzle. Think about it. Wacky attitude. Silly attire. Has a flying machine that can change shape. America's favorite teacher was really a Time Lady.
youssarian91 2 months ago
Man does wiki exaggerate. It says on there a time lord can regenerate 502 times. I got really confused
kingkris1645 3 months ago
@kingkris1645 Lolwut? 11th Doctor said that jokingly, I think in SJA.
rillera25 3 months ago
It's fascinating to watch this and then go watch 11 saying goodbye to Amy. So much has changed and yet, so little.
Entanglment 3 months ago
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@Pizzaboyzmvp well.. when you consider that he left her behind with a man whom they'd only known for a few hours.. with one shoe.. in the middle of a junkyard.. on a destroyed version of planet earth.. and she was still a highschool student.. and all this on the basis of a spontaneous decision that he'd made only 3 minutes beforehand... :/
Yes, it could have been worse but it still comes across to me as being highly irresponsible.
gokiburi666 4 months ago
She only has one shoe, shes abandoned in time, and she lost her grandfather....
She is also dead, because the Doctor is the last Time Lord, beside the Human Time Lord River Song... So Susan is dead because of the Time War
Pizzaboyzmvp 4 months ago
He left her stranded in time with just one shoe :(
gokiburi666 4 months ago
@gokiburi666 Well, it could be worse..
Pizzaboyzmvp 4 months ago
@Pizzaboyzmvp well.. when you consider that he left her behind with a man whom they'd only known for a few hours.. with one shoe.. in the middle of a junkyard.. on a destroyed version of planet earth.. and she was still a highschool student.. and all this on the basis of a spontaneous decision that he'd made only 3 minutes beforehand... :/
Yes, it could have been worse but it still comes across to me as being highly irresponsible.
gokiburi666 4 months ago
okay...was Susan a Timelord or was she adopted by The Doctor as his grandchild?
GriffithAMPS 4 months ago
@GriffithAMPS Regardless if the Doctor is her actual grandfather, she is a Time Lord.
EarthTremor 3 months ago
For Pete's sake, don't start talking about canon! Dr. Who laughs at the very notion of canon! Turn your geek dials down from 10 to 5, please. Sheesh.
joecassara 4 months ago 3
And people say classic Doctor Who wasn't ever about the companions...
akiugn 4 months ago 4
who is she? does he ever come back? how come she is never mentioned or thought about again seeing as she must of been a big part of the doctors life?
LaVaBeAvErHD 4 months ago
oh wiat a minute the tenth docotr said he visited ALL his companions before he regenerated so maybe he did come back
227060 4 months ago
Susan returning for the 50th FTW
227060 4 months ago
Question is: did they REALLY & TRULY lose so many episodes w/this particular Doc, or are they TOP SECRET somewhere because they would be a lack of harmony w/who we currently know as the Doc? 1st episode we know anything about, available on YouTube, is bad enough on contradicting absolutely everything I know about the Doc from Pertwee onwards! If I ever get my way on the rewrite I'd like to do on other fiction, would be convenient to trash/burn 50% of what's been written for legend continuity!
fgmPostApocalypticTV 4 months ago
1 area where we know w/certainty that the Doctor's exaggerated his age is that his Sylvester McCoy incarnation claimed to have been 975yrs old BACK THEN. If dude wasn't ALREADY making himself younger than he was w/lying about his age, then dude's AT LEAST 1200 now in the new stuff, if not 1500 to 1800yrs old MINIMALLY. Waiting for a big day of discovery on some future Doctor Who episode where they decide to reconcile that in the story w/an "OMG" moment where he realizes how old he REALLY is! LOL
fgmPostApocalypticTV 4 months ago
Doctor exaggerates his age, like women who are 29 forever. Prior to being known as the Doctor, in TimeLord history he was known as The Other, with even a festival in his honour as one of the 3 founders of TimeLord society that was called Other's-tide. Dude's maybe as old as Moses would be to us if he'd never died in Old Testament history! Perhaps as old as the Pre- Old Testament Enoch, if he'd remained in this world. Long, long story with some gray area as to the Doctor's quasi-reincarnation.
fgmPostApocalypticTV 4 months ago
@fgmPostApocalypticTV You do realise Lungbarrow's non-canon, don't you? That whole "The Doctor was a super-ancient legendary Time Lord reincarnated" thing....
JamieHowitt 4 months ago
"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then there must no regrets no tears no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I'm not mistaken in mine." That is the greatest goodbye ever!!!
TypicalGam3r 4 months ago 2
She was there, at the end of time.
Mobiusgen 4 months ago
doesn't tht mean shes a time lord and still alive so the doc int alone well obvi no with rivar song
higgzi16 5 months ago
I think it's time for the Doctor to come back.
notablegoat 5 months ago
@notablegoat What do you mean?
TheAwesomePirate 5 months ago
@TheAwesomePirate I mean this Doctor! I think t's time he goes and visits Susan. Even if it's a differant actress playing her.
notablegoat 4 months ago
@TheAwesomePirate I mean the Doctor! I think t's time he goes and visits Susan. Even if it's a differant actress playing her.
notablegoat 4 months ago
4:20 - I can see the inside of the Tardis, it looks like a normal police box. I'm getting the distinct feeling that this show isn't real.
BigRedUnderpants1 5 months ago
I've recently started viewing the original run of the series and wanted my first showing of the Original to be something big, so I went with Dalek invasion of Earth. I have yet to be disapointed by this or any other Doctor. While I can't honestly say I enjoy every story, I can honestly say I enjoy every interpritation of the Doctor.
LestatandBerial 5 months ago
R.I.P William Hartnell. You may call him the original doctor. May he be remembered, not only as a good actor, the first doctor, but as a good man too
StickMarsChannel 5 months ago 3
Susan is obe of the timelords surviving the time war because she was left in the 22nd century. Now susan is left with 1 shoe and a continous life. Its a great idea to have a future episode with amy and rory finding susans bedroom and the holed shoe
Timelord114 5 months ago
At 5:15 one of the greatest speeches in all television was spoken
platypusify 6 months ago 43
@platypusify I know man, AWESOME
SuperZeldaBros64 2 months ago
Always one of my favourite Who moments. It'd be great to see him "Come back" to find Susan one day...
spacefan1962 7 months ago
I'd love to see in a future ep of like rory and Amy walking in the tradis halls and come across a room with a bed and thing and 1 worn out shoe sitting on the bed.
erikdude666 7 months ago
Even if Susan is dead along with the rest of the time lords. The doctor could simply travel back there to a point before she died. It's not like she dies a few hours after he leaves.
KingShrykull92 7 months ago
The funny thing is, no matter how much he has changed in all his versions, in body or in mind, i always feel like its still one person. That is nothing short of brilliant! To have so many changes and still, at core, be the same as when the series started and thats why i feel that Doctor Who is unquestionably the best tv-series EVER!!!
BloodyBart888 7 months ago
How else does someone have a grandchild? By having children and those children having children of their own.
dbvixxen 7 months ago
Loves how people doubt Susan & Doctor being grandchild and grandparent and actually the actress who played Susan has issues with it to as it was never in doubt until Who fans started over thinking the show saying it's *impossible* The original intention of the show was for them to be related and this was done to avoid the Taboo of an elderly single man traveling around with a 15 yr old minor. If they weren't related why would the 600 yr 1st Doctor travel with a 15 yr girl? kinda creepy right
brandoman79 8 months ago
He could have at least left her with a fresh pair of shoes
magegirl8 8 months ago 4
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I have a theory: people who keep up with the more recent episodes of Dr. Who know that Amy may or may not be pregnant. We saw a little girl regenerate in an alleyway. I think that, because Amy has been traveling in the TARDIS while pregnant, her baby has 'absorbed' some of the TARDIS' time-lord qualities. I also think that this girl's daughter will be Susan, and that this season of Dr Who will be the one where they finally visit the Doctor's 'granddaughter'.
This is just speculation on my pa
larkincole 8 months ago 6
@larkincole Interesting theory, and I think you may be right to some degree. We'll have to see how it pans out.
I definitely think you're right about the pregnancy thing; no-one in travelling in the Tardis has ever done so while being pregnant before, and to run such a storyline without exploring what ramifications time travel might have on an unborn baby would be nothing short of a wasted opportunity.
pufferfishish 8 months ago 2
@pufferfishish I just hope the baby has a Time-head.
EmperorMAD 8 months ago
@pufferfishish You've all seen "A Good Man Goes to War" right? Not going into detail, but you should if you haven't, its a great episode.
Renfield2056 7 months ago
@larkincole No, Amys daughters River Song.
yahoofreak456 5 months ago 2
It's implied several times in the last 6 series' that Susan is dead.
oliver12345678910908 9 months ago
Whats rlly sad is that the doctor left her with only on shoe :(
FenderGuitarForever 9 months ago 11
It's amazing how even back then Doctor Who provoked such brilliant emotions. Back then and now, and in all the years to come- DOCTOR WHO IS THE BEST SHOW IN THE UNIVERSE!
JamHam64 9 months ago
They really should do an episode soon where he does go back, Carole Ann Ford, who played Susan, is in her early 70s but still looks like she's in her late 30s early 40s. She's done a few Who fanfilms as Susan, and has said if they ever asked her she'd comeback in a heartbeat.
DarthSutekh 9 months ago
"Hmm?"
JanPanda 9 months ago
I think the last scene ever of Doctor Who should be a continuation of this, him visiting Susan
Jspheonix 10 months ago
@Jspheonix If it isnt I will lose a huge amount of respect for the show.
pjrg1919 9 months ago
a big thank you to the bbc radiophonic workshop for the theme and incidental music that accompanied the series.the leader of which i think was elizabeth parker.there were no microchips around in the 1960,s or for many years after.
that sign about dumping bodies in the river,what a romantic back drop ! add to it what sounds like a harmonium , brilliant
ralphcraddock 10 months ago
In the last episode, the Doctor must come back (And he should be layed by an older actor like the first, David McCallum) and he must find out his real name (but the audience will never find out)
Smallvillenerd 10 months ago
the ninth doctor implied that susan had died in "the empty child"
Freezboob 11 months ago
@Freezboob first rule about the Doctor: the Doctor lies.
KelvTwelve 9 months ago
You know...maybe the Doctor will still go back for his granddaughter? Could be interesting episode for Matt Smith...having to go back to get his granddaughter that he "hid" away on 22nd century earth?
TheAndyinSeattle 11 months ago
@TheAndyinSeattle I doubt it because all indications are that shes a timelady so she would have been killed, most likely when he used the moment and ended the time war. Also I heard he went back in one of the 8th doctor audio adventures. Although there is no statement whether or not they're canon to the show beyond him being the 8th doctor.
GrimmShadowsII 11 months ago
@GrimmShadowsII and by killed I mean most likly wiped out of existence, which is why he was never able to go back and save anyone. The most common theory now is that 'The Moment' was a demat gun so even going back before the time war she still wouldn't be there. Which is why in the new series the timelords are nothing more then legends, the only one that ever exsited is the Doctor and he doesn't annouce his pressence to everyone he saves the day and leaves.
GrimmShadowsII 11 months ago
> I'm not sure how she's supposed to
> be his grandchild but there you have it.
Well, when a mummy and a daddy love each other very much, they have a child. And when that child has a child, you get a grandchild. I have some websites that I can recommend on the subject.... :)
DefconWarningSystem 1 year ago 5
Whenever I have to say goodbye to someone or something I love,
these are the words that have brought me comfort.
disobedient 1 year ago
The series was ahead of it's time(no pun intended) If Susan was his grandaughter, wouldn't she be ALL of the Doctor's regenerated entities?
partspro660 1 year ago
@partspro660 It's reproduction, moron, not reincarnation.
THEGREATMAX 11 months ago
This is fantastic.
ArianrhodxBlodeuwedd 1 year ago
one of the best and most touching goodbye scenes in Doctor Who.
ShakyPaulisbk 1 year ago
if susan is the doctor's grandchild so it means that she can also regenerate and she's immortal, right?
zynahchan 1 year ago
@zynahchan I imagine so, they haven't shown her regenerating in any spin-off media yet though. Just one thing, regeneration doesn't make the time lords immortal, they have a 12 regenerations limit.
eateroftheflame 1 year ago
@zynahchan Time Lords are not immortal. They can only regenerate twelve times.
JediSlayer22 7 months ago
@JediSlayer22 Time Lords ARE immortal. As long as they avoid situations that can lead to physical death they can live forever.
"Regeneration" is a process that allows a Time Lord to cheat death if they get caught up in a situation that can lead to it (eg. potentially fatal injury etc.).
And the Regeneration "Limit" is updated from time to time. It's currently 12. But it has already been raised and could be raised again in future. But the limit doesn't stop a Time Lord from living forever.
flash999999999 5 months ago
@kyosgirl92: The writers of The End of Time intended the implication that the old woman was the Doctor's mother.
proudgulfwarvet65 1 year ago
but he never did come back :( and he's had hundreds of years
CLASSICDOCTORWHOBOY 1 year ago
....and left with only one shoe?
george385 1 year ago
i think matt sould come back to see her
TheNeonrose02 1 year ago 75
@TheNeonrose02 he may not b able to. susan probably died in the time war :(
jhibbitt1 1 year ago
@jhibbitt1 i thought the same thing...and you know in david's last episode i think that the white lady is supposed to be susan....she was obviously someone the doctor knew quite well
kyosgirl92 1 year ago
@kyosgirl92 no if ur talking about river song i think its his wife
NewWhoWritingCrew 1 year ago
@TheNeonrose02 Hell fucking yes. As well as the teachers too.
Jumpybeaver 7 months ago
@TheNeonrose02 That would be such a sweet moment. i know in the Big Finish audio dramas the Eighth Doctor was reunited with Susan, but it would be nice to see the actress reprise her role as Susan on T.V. and what a juxtaposition it would be that her Grandfather would look younger than she does.
OceanbornAngel 6 months ago
@TheNeonrose02 If she was on Gallifrey, girl's DEAD. Nobody to go see. Timelock means even Gallifrey's distant past isn't able to be visited. Doctor made that painful decision that was essentially the genocide of the TimeLords and Daleks, and perhaps others, to save the rest of Creation. It's the understood context of the interim yrs between the 8th and 9th Doctor(s) & why 9th & even 10th for a while had to deal with survivor's guilt.
fgmPostApocalypticTV 4 months ago
@TheNeonrose02 and bring the shoe he's been fixing...
cameragrunt 4 months ago
@TheNeonrose02 Impossible, Susan is a Time Lord, all Time Lords died.
(Except the Doctor, and River who is also Human.)
Pizzaboyzmvp 3 months ago
@Pizzaboyzmvp the Doctor *thinks* all the Time Lords died. He was wrong about the Master after all.
One of the Tenth Doctor comics - which admittedly might not be canon - specifically call out that the Doctor doesn't know Susan's fate.
EarthTremor 3 months ago
@TheNeonrose02 the woman who plays her is about 65 by now it takes time lords centuries to age that amount and by the time shed spent that long on earth she would be old and bitter and full of hate for being abandoned, the only way out would be to say she had regenerated and that causes countless problems I cant even biggen to list so even though she was the best companion ever and she really should return, it is not possible to do so, sorry mate :-(
doctorwho3600 3 months ago
@doctorwho3600 She's older than that; Carole Ann Ford was born in 1939. Time Lords don't age, remember? They simply regenerate- it's one of the reasons why Tom Baker decided to leave, as he was visibly older by the end of his tenure and the character would have stayed looking the same. Saying she categorically would have been old and bitter and full of hate is a bit of a sweeping statement I have to say. It's only one possible route that the writers could choose to take.
pufferfishish 1 month ago
@pufferfishish no, time lords do age, just at a very slow rate, but carol anne ford is much older now and therefore if her character ever appeared on screen again she would have to claim that it had been centuries, and tthat would open a whole heap of shit, im sorry if i was unclear last time.
doctorwho3600 1 month ago
@doctorwho3600 You're not right; if that was the case then 10 neither would have said 'I don't age- I regenerate' in School Reunion, nor would 6 have said to Peri 'You'll age here in the Tardis and then die- I shall go on regenerating until all my lives are spent'. The regeneration plot device was only decided on when Hartnell was leaving and not when the series began, so the debated rate at which Susan should/shouldn't age is therefore void.
pufferfishish 1 month ago
@doctorwho3600 *1940, I should have said.
pufferfishish 1 month ago
I just realized he left her stranded on Earth, WITH ONLY ONE SHOE!
Alvious 1 year ago
sum say that tom baker is the doctor of all doctors but william hartnell is the FATHER of all doctors. its thanks to william hartnell that this show still exists
jhibbitt1 1 year ago 2
was wondering The Doctor has 2 hearts so does his grandaughter Susan have 2 hearts too then?
Scottishgal78 1 year ago
I hope they had a recording of this at his funiral R.I.P Doctor R.I.P Bill
danbroad9 1 year ago
And 40 years later, we still wait for this prophecy to be fulfilled..
crmfghtr 1 year ago 4
Everything back in the day was so much more simply.
He double locked those doors! Hell, that's probably a lot tougher to crack than a deadlock!
TheLastLoneWolf 1 year ago
i can't fiugre out what they zoomeed in on at the end. and what does that sign say?
greatsayain 1 year ago
@greatsayain "It is forbidden to dump bodies in the river" The daleks are environmentalists apparently, and want a clean Thames.
TheGreatLordDufus 1 year ago
@TheGreatLordDufus lol never thought of that ha!
crmfghtr 1 year ago
@greatsayain They zoomed in on Susan's copy of the TARDIS key, it's hard to make out but if you look at the brick near the center of shot you can see the key placed upon it.
RYCloud92 9 months ago
I wonder if we are going to see susan again? it would be cool.
milliondollarmistake 1 year ago
@milliondollarmistake She did briefly reappear in the 1983 special episode The Five Doctors, although I was displeased with the rendition of Susan as well as the first doctor...
margnus1 1 year ago
Susan was a babe. lol
drewhadou 1 year ago
@drewhadou this is my first time seeing this and my jaw droped susan looks exactly like a girl at my school put red hair on her and it would be her clone
bolrins32 1 year ago
how is she the doctors granchild
CybermeN100 1 year ago
@CybermeN100 The normal way. She is the daughter of one of his childern. He's over 400 so plenty fo time to have kids.
greatsayain 1 year ago
HE STOLE HER SHOE...
And he never went back...
personzorz 1 year ago
That would be an excellent arc for the 50th Anniversary if he goes back to Susan.
lkgrave 1 year ago
To me, this is about the only instance when the Hartnell era can compare to the current Who. Despite all the old technology and iffy directing and producing, this scene rises above average TV. like gialla said, Rose's departure means nothing compared to this, at the time, I felt that Doomsday was the most powerful episode to date, but now watching this, even though I am not the biggest Hartnell era fan, I just GET this scene. It beats T Bakers regen and Adric's death as powerful TV. Wow :)
SuperRichi1A 1 year ago 2
@SuperRichi1A I agree. I just got through watching The Dalek Invasion of Earth. The end was really touching. In fact, it got me almost as much as the 10th Doctor's regeneration.
psxwarrior 1 year ago
Say what you want about the old series, this scene always gets me.
Capnbritish 1 year ago
How is it confusing that she's his granddaughter?
akiugn 1 year ago
@akiugn because it implies that at one point he would have to have had a sexual relationship and that was taboo for Dr Who.
pufferfishish 1 year ago
whats that thing she dropped
ryananderson280195 1 year ago
@ryananderson280195 tardis key
unoficial13thdoctor 1 year ago
Susan F. is bad ass!
mgm9381 1 year ago
@mgm9381 lol, maybe by this time she is but in the beginning she was to Dr. Who waht Chekov was to Star Trek. IE The one screams and faints when there is danger.
greatsayain 1 year ago
Poor First, always so hard for him to say goodbye.
scopeeyevideo 1 year ago
Part of what makes this incredible is alot of what was shot was shot live. No re-takes or anything. You can kinda tell with how much of this is done with one single camera shot.
Another thing that makes this heart-breaking is William Hartnell was actually dying. They wrote the regeneration thing into it because they wanted to continue the show, but couldn't with Hartnell.
organs 1 year ago
@organs Um, he wasn't dying at this point. He didn't pass away until 1975.
JediSlayer22 1 year ago
@JediSlayer22 Oh, alright, fine....
organs 1 year ago
Now how cool would that have been if a crack in time appeared just when the TARDIS de-materialized? Eh?... Anybody? Anybody?
oreopoj 1 year ago 2
well in the 2008 series, the doctor (tennant) admits he's been a father before, nd he's old,
Snakester1 1 year ago
@Snakester1 When Eccleston was on, they had a bit where he met a Doctor who said "I was a father and a grandfather, now I'm neither but still a Doctor", and the Doctor said he knew the feeling.
ShadowSonic2 1 year ago
Very touching, tv at its best.....no sadly he has never gone back to visit Susan (though she appears in the five Doctors after this event) - I guess now time has been rewreitten so many times who knows what there is to find if he did =/
skurge101 1 year ago
So first question: did the Doctor ever come back for Susan and whats-his-nuts?
and question two: If the answer to the previous question is no, then does that mean she's still living on Earth, thus we could see Susan again (different actor though) and the Doctor is not the last of the Time Lords? Ahh a fan can only dream.
normanozwald 1 year ago
THE best Dr who scene of all time.
hafstrat 1 year ago
I want to say that I read in one of the novelizations (its been years so im a bit fuzzy) that susan was the sole survivor of his family on gallifrey and that he actually went back under threat of death and scooped her up so she wouldnt be a boring old time lady bogged down by gallifreys soft bellied society. Supposedly in the beginning of his exile, the time lords had a warrant out for his death.
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"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."
Did they ever actually do an episode of him meeting her again? If not I wish they'd do one it would definitely be something to watch. Its always been hinted at in the newer ones that The Doctor still knows of her so meeting her again in the new ones would be really cool
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"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."
Did they ever actually do an episode of him meeting her again? If not I wish they'd do one it would definitely be something to watch. Its always been hinted at in the newer ones that The Doctor still knows of her so meeting her again in the new ones would be really cool
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"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."
Did they ever actually do an episode of him meeting her again? If not I wish they'd do one it would definitely be something to watch. Its always been hinted at in the newer ones that The Doctor still knows of her so meeting her again in the new ones would be really cool
braceyfaceanimegurl 1 year ago
"you see David, grandfather's old now, he needs me! " haha he's looking pretty young as Matt Smith these days! :)
dcmcshan 1 year ago 4
I've always wondered how Susan could be the Doctor's granddaughter and spend her life with a human...? Won't there be Timelord in her?
I suppose, they never really invented the idea of Timelords until the very end of the Troughton era, but still...
Pokeiggy 1 year ago
@Pokeiggy
I feel they should clarify this in the series, like say Susan had one Timelord parent and one human parent. This could mean her only Timelord attributes would be great intelligence and maybe quicker healing from cuts and bruises than other people... but still mostly human and so could live as one.
There's also the fact she dropped the TARDIS key, too... anyone could've picked it up...
Pokeiggy 1 year ago
Didnt the David Tennant doctor admit once he had been married and had children; maybe this would explain why the william hartnell doctor had a grandaughter. Remember these folks are time travellers ;)
intermender 1 year ago
I hope that they get Susan's actress to cameo as an older Susan sometime. Maybe they could get the 11th Doctor to visit her...
Pikatroid42 1 year ago
Well, see the sperm meets the egg, and then the end product either male of female joins its with someone else's... and the result is another new creature.
Yakerina 1 year ago
I bet that shoe is still lying around in some corner of the TARDIS where it has recently been joined by Rose's Hoodie. T-T
Some things about this Guy don't ever change. I can't help but to feel reminded of how the Doctor left Rose with his duplicate, shutting the Door and running away. For no matter how often he saves the earth, he's never been good with 'domestic' stuff...
KendrixTermina 1 year ago 5
david looks a bit like david tennant......
nuwifflix 1 year ago
@nuwifflix See my comment near the top of the video. Just posted it, so you can read it if you scroll down a little.
psxwarrior 1 year ago
Crikey, I remember seeing the first episode when it went out. As the Doctor might say, "Tempus fugit".
youtubister 1 year ago
This is something quite fantastic!
SLX10 1 year ago
I think she's adopted. ^_^ but still, good clip
cerberus144 1 year ago
I deeply respect the heritage of this show, but this scene is BORING! It's like a terrible high school play......the blocking, the pacing, all so awkward and slow as though no one has any purpose and is kind of making it up as they go along.
Hartnell's speech is the only redeemable piece.
exitwest 1 year ago
@exitwest
What you have to appreciate is that this was in the 60's, sure the acting was quite basic back then but it's things like this which really make me appreciate the show for what it is.
ajw34307 1 year ago
"One Day I shall come back"
:( Its too bad he cant really come back. RIP Billy Hartnell, you built the foundations of the Doctors character, your the first and will always be the best.
William Hartnell
1908 - 1975
"Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. Goodbye Susan. Goodbye my dear."
RYCloud92 1 year ago 33
@RYCloud92 there can always be somebody who will age to look and sound like him
GrimnEvil4Ever 9 months ago
@GrimnEvil4Ever Yeah but it wouldn't be the same. (No offense to Hurndall from the 5 Doctors)
RYCloud92 9 months ago
@RYCloud92 we know but cmon, at least some things would be back.
GrimnEvil4Ever 9 months ago
@RYCloud92 Ah! But in "The Five Doctors" hes does!!! (except the 1st dr is played by Richard Hurndall)!
IndianaBilly1 7 months ago
after rewatching
did the Doctor just took away Susan's shoe and never return lol?
gary911203 1 year ago
From Wikipedia entry "Susan Foreman"
The original outline for the series did not intend the pair to be related, but writer Anthony Coburn created the family tie as he was disturbed by the possible sexual connotations of an old man travelling alone with a teenage girl.
andy5421 1 year ago
To this day, I find this the saddest companion goodbye. Although Jo, Rose and Donna gave me a few tears. I lol'd at Adric
powerhousechipmunk23 1 year ago
she could be his grand daughter because he had children
williambirkin1 1 year ago
i porked some bird in old police box no room though,she was making a trunk call lol
kingbleah 1 year ago
it's fitting that she would be his first goodbye...maybe perhaps she will be his last goodbye as well
pres921 2 years ago
@pres921 I like this idea. But, you know, maybe now, with the recent events in the 6th serie, we never know. It is VERY conceivable.
cam0248 8 months ago
@cam0248 thank you...almost forgot about writing this
pres921 8 months ago