You said it 48blackman... Ashford has a Pan Am and World Cup double from 1979, not to mention defeated both Gohr in 100 and Koch in the 200. And defended the double in Rome in 1981. Ashford was far more versitlile than Gohr no question about it !
Gohr and Muller had to run drug free at this Olympics for fear of being caught, thats why they lost here. They got killed by B list sprinters from Jamaica and USA
I am VERY PROUD to announce I have created a fan page (THE FIRST!) on facebook called 'The Great Evelyn Ashford' if you are an admirer of hers please visit and join. Your support and opinions would be of great value. This LEGEND OF SPORT must NEVER be forgotten!
We know who each others coaches were.. They shared training secrets we also know what else they shared!!! Lmao.. Needles!!!! Lmao... Flo set a record 21 yrs ago that has no female runner has come close to clean or unclean such as Marion Jones!!! Suspect written all over it!!! Retired right afterwards too!!! Suspect.. Most legal record setters enjoy their win and still compete and try to defend their title
All I will say is Evelyn ashford is greatest woman athlete ever.. Flo Jo and Ben Johnson had the same coach!!! Hello.. Steroids!!! They both set unheard of world records at the same time and Ben Johnson got caught.. Flo slipped under radar and imediately retired.. No one retires after they get on top.. She set a record 21 years ago that hasn't been touched even by another cheater Marion Jones!!! Evelyn all the way in my book!!
I agree with u about Evelyn... but Bob Keerse coach Florence, Charlie Francis coached Ben; so they did not have the same coach USA/Canada. Although these coaches shared info....
Marita Koch was wonderful to watch sprinting. But I have no doubt she was a cheater like Flo Jo, Marlies Gohr , Kratochvilova and many many other in the 1980s/early 1990s!!
Katirne Krabbe was waiting in the wings to take over the mantle of Gohr in the 100m & of Koch(the greatest woman sprinter of ALL time) in the 200m only 2 years later winning the 100m & 200m at the Europeans & a year later in 1992 at the Worlds in Tokyo doing the same. Another 2 golds in the bag!
You talk absolute shit! Koch is NOT the best sprinter ever AT ALL! Her along with Gohr, Krabbe etc (all GDR's athletes of that period) were ALL cheaters!
The great Marita Koch could run at 100m, 200m and 400m (she still holds the World Record at 400m at 47.60 that she set in 1985). The so called Flo Jo couldn't run at all these distances at top class. KOch was the REAL DEAl season after season after season.
The great Marita Koch was never found guilty of any banned substance (just like Flo Jo!) in her illustrious career spanning from 1977 to 1986 for which she was top class season after season after season (unlike Flo Jo who only had one top season in 1988). Also, how mant times did FLo Jo beat Marita Koch?? NEVER!
The great Marita Koch was never found guilty of any banned substance (just like Flo Jo!) in her illustrious career spanning from 1977 to 1986 for which she was top class season after season after season (unlike Flo Jo who only had one top season in 1988). Also, how mant times did FLo Jo beat Marita Koch?? NEVER!
Yes 1987 was the last year of their dominance. The bubble burst in 1988 (coincidently the year random testing was introduced)hmmm a no brainer! When Krabbe and her team mates were subsequently caught in '91,the nails were in the coffin for German track and field strength. I can't believe there are people here saying Koch isthe best sprinter ever!!! Crazy or dumb
I know it amazes me, cheats are all colours shapes and sizes. That is not the issue, the issue is they were cheating in the most terrible fashion and their deeds taint the sport to this day. You're right this was the beginning of the end. In hindsight if you compare the careers of Asford and Gohr, Ashford is exceptional for alot of reasons, One of thing being the unparalled length of time she was at the top of sprinting.
She was around another 4 years after this at 35 running great and winning Olympic Gold. If I could emulate a career it WOULD NOT be Gohr's. Anyone notice how modern day commentators never talk about East German performances in Track , Swimming ect? If anyone wants to defend them do so however do not engage the intelligent with talk of them being clean you only devalue every letter you type and nullify your own 'opinions'.
Talent+Ambition+ Hard Work+Good Fortune = Greatness END OF.
@RFSA88 ashford did drugs too, they were just more clever with her and didnt go over the top, her and gohr were both guilty but marlies was the greater ahlete as she did 200 aswell and was by far the more unique runner, it comes down to taste as to who u prefer and the record books favour evelyn but she was a drug cheat aswel tho very fast natural runner, she just flowed and was beautiful runner, it comes down to who is faster, the black woman or the white woman and its obv the lack woman
@jxcancan I actually think you are a little retarded. I don't know how you come up with Ashford cheated too, they were just more cleaver ??? The Canadian and America's learned their methods from the East German coaches. Ashford finish 5th in the Montreal final in 11.24, Gohr finish last in 11.34, but the next year Gohr ran 10.88 that screams drugs.. Ashford's progression was due to hard work .. no short cuts and Evelyn is by far a much better 200 metre sprinter than Gohr.
@jxcancan Where's your proof Evelyn Ashford did drugs? If you have none then just say its your opinion. So it can be clear you full of conjecture nothing more.
The beginning of the end of the east german reign in women´s sprinting??? Man, only 2 years later Kathrin Krabbe, Silke Möller and Manuela Derr won gold, silver and Bronze at 100m in the european Champioships in Splitt. Krabbe virtually flyed over the track marking some stunning 10.90. Later she also won at 200m and Dreschler was silver. Grit Breuer was also gold at 400m and Petra Müller silver. The end youre talking about only hapenned after the collapse of the wall when the GDR disappeared...
this is a remarkable race because here are the legends of the late seventies and eighties in one race. do not forget, kondratjewa was the moscow champion! and this was also the beginning of the end of the east german reign in women`s sprinting!
The east Germans must have forgotten to take their special juice that day.lol
idontsignin 10 months ago
aaah Juliet Cuthbert had a great 1988 and 1992
paulouk83 1 year ago
And what about Anelia Nouneva - to beat all these monsters - Gohr, Gladisch and Kondratyeva and Torrence....... Superb
sandroevangelisti1 1 year ago
You said it 48blackman... Ashford has a Pan Am and World Cup double from 1979, not to mention defeated both Gohr in 100 and Koch in the 200. And defended the double in Rome in 1981. Ashford was far more versitlile than Gohr no question about it !
karrtt1234 1 year ago 2
the americans were drug cheats aswell, including evelyn ashford who was no saint
jxcancan 1 year ago
Gohr and Muller had to run drug free at this Olympics for fear of being caught, thats why they lost here. They got killed by B list sprinters from Jamaica and USA
metsdudenj 1 year ago
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RFSA88 2 years ago
We know who each others coaches were.. They shared training secrets we also know what else they shared!!! Lmao.. Needles!!!! Lmao... Flo set a record 21 yrs ago that has no female runner has come close to clean or unclean such as Marion Jones!!! Suspect written all over it!!! Retired right afterwards too!!! Suspect.. Most legal record setters enjoy their win and still compete and try to defend their title
Shutupunk 2 years ago 2
All I will say is Evelyn ashford is greatest woman athlete ever.. Flo Jo and Ben Johnson had the same coach!!! Hello.. Steroids!!! They both set unheard of world records at the same time and Ben Johnson got caught.. Flo slipped under radar and imediately retired.. No one retires after they get on top.. She set a record 21 years ago that hasn't been touched even by another cheater Marion Jones!!! Evelyn all the way in my book!!
Shutupunk 2 years ago
Good call!!
jonathanbirchley 2 years ago
I agree with u about Evelyn... but Bob Keerse coach Florence, Charlie Francis coached Ben; so they did not have the same coach USA/Canada. Although these coaches shared info....
karrtt1234 2 years ago 2
@karrtt1234 I don not agree ashford was one of the few clean ones
MrCoolguy63 1 year ago
21 years ago! Has it been that long and she has been gone 11 years to date! How sad and I believe her husband has remarried and has more kids?
yellowbird39tc 2 years ago
Ben Johnson's coach was Charlie Francis, Florence Griffith's coach was Bob Keerse.
jokerwildest 2 years ago 2
The Great Evelyn Ashford
fjknm 2 years ago
you should say, you have no proof except for whats already been proven!
ggrif270OH 3 years ago
Marita Koch was wonderful to watch sprinting. But I have no doubt she was a cheater like Flo Jo, Marlies Gohr , Kratochvilova and many many other in the 1980s/early 1990s!!
fjknm 3 years ago
Its a level playing field...so i dont really care. I just enjoy the race.
bzach71 3 years ago 2
When Marlies Gorh come to Japan for the SUPER
TRACk & FIELD in 1988,she said my best memory
was to compete with Evelyn Ashford for 10 years.
run3hours 3 years ago 2
Katirne Krabbe was waiting in the wings to take over the mantle of Gohr in the 100m & of Koch(the greatest woman sprinter of ALL time) in the 200m only 2 years later winning the 100m & 200m at the Europeans & a year later in 1992 at the Worlds in Tokyo doing the same. Another 2 golds in the bag!
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
cheaters!!!!
butler372 3 years ago
You talk absolute shit! Koch is NOT the best sprinter ever AT ALL! Her along with Gohr, Krabbe etc (all GDR's athletes of that period) were ALL cheaters!
Aarontlondon 3 years ago
The great Marita Koch could run at 100m, 200m and 400m (she still holds the World Record at 400m at 47.60 that she set in 1985). The so called Flo Jo couldn't run at all these distances at top class. KOch was the REAL DEAl season after season after season.
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
In that case, Merlene Ottey would be the GREATEST.
sequiaonda78 3 years ago
how mant times did Ottey beat the great Marita Koch??? Errr I think you will find NEVER!!!
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
The great Marita Koch was never found guilty of any banned substance (just like Flo Jo!) in her illustrious career spanning from 1977 to 1986 for which she was top class season after season after season (unlike Flo Jo who only had one top season in 1988). Also, how mant times did FLo Jo beat Marita Koch?? NEVER!
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
Are you seriously contesting that Koch was clean ?
bossofalltime 3 years ago
The great Marita Koch was never found guilty of any banned substance (just like Flo Jo!) in her illustrious career spanning from 1977 to 1986 for which she was top class season after season after season (unlike Flo Jo who only had one top season in 1988). Also, how mant times did FLo Jo beat Marita Koch?? NEVER!
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
xD ...
bossofalltime 3 years ago
x to boss
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
you have got to have the most deluded comments i have ever seen.
idontsignin 2 years ago
Well said aarontlondon. Cheaters through and through. Look at this race. They were finished finished finished finished !!!!!!
ALISONEJ43 3 years ago
Yes 1987 was the last year of their dominance. The bubble burst in 1988 (coincidently the year random testing was introduced)hmmm a no brainer! When Krabbe and her team mates were subsequently caught in '91,the nails were in the coffin for German track and field strength. I can't believe there are people here saying Koch isthe best sprinter ever!!! Crazy or dumb
Aarontlondon 3 years ago
Both I think xxxx Thanks for the response xx
ALISONEJ43 3 years ago
I know it amazes me, cheats are all colours shapes and sizes. That is not the issue, the issue is they were cheating in the most terrible fashion and their deeds taint the sport to this day. You're right this was the beginning of the end. In hindsight if you compare the careers of Asford and Gohr, Ashford is exceptional for alot of reasons, One of thing being the unparalled length of time she was at the top of sprinting.
RFSA88 2 years ago
She was around another 4 years after this at 35 running great and winning Olympic Gold. If I could emulate a career it WOULD NOT be Gohr's. Anyone notice how modern day commentators never talk about East German performances in Track , Swimming ect? If anyone wants to defend them do so however do not engage the intelligent with talk of them being clean you only devalue every letter you type and nullify your own 'opinions'.
Talent+Ambition+ Hard Work+Good Fortune = Greatness END OF.
RFSA88 2 years ago
@RFSA88 ashford did drugs too, they were just more clever with her and didnt go over the top, her and gohr were both guilty but marlies was the greater ahlete as she did 200 aswell and was by far the more unique runner, it comes down to taste as to who u prefer and the record books favour evelyn but she was a drug cheat aswel tho very fast natural runner, she just flowed and was beautiful runner, it comes down to who is faster, the black woman or the white woman and its obv the lack woman
jxcancan 1 year ago
@jxcancan Do you just throw out proofless bullshit all the time? Provide any factual information or forever go to Hell!
beebeechitown 1 year ago
@jxcancan I actually think you are a little retarded. I don't know how you come up with Ashford cheated too, they were just more cleaver ??? The Canadian and America's learned their methods from the East German coaches. Ashford finish 5th in the Montreal final in 11.24, Gohr finish last in 11.34, but the next year Gohr ran 10.88 that screams drugs.. Ashford's progression was due to hard work .. no short cuts and Evelyn is by far a much better 200 metre sprinter than Gohr.
48blackman 1 year ago 2
@jxcancan You have no proof that ashford did any drugs you just making it up!
KeitaThe1 2 months ago
@jxcancan Where's your proof Evelyn Ashford did drugs? If you have none then just say its your opinion. So it can be clear you full of conjecture nothing more.
KeitaThe1 1 month ago
The beginning of the end of the east german reign in women´s sprinting??? Man, only 2 years later Kathrin Krabbe, Silke Möller and Manuela Derr won gold, silver and Bronze at 100m in the european Champioships in Splitt. Krabbe virtually flyed over the track marking some stunning 10.90. Later she also won at 200m and Dreschler was silver. Grit Breuer was also gold at 400m and Petra Müller silver. The end youre talking about only hapenned after the collapse of the wall when the GDR disappeared...
gorhman 3 years ago
Is it Manuela Derr or Kathrin Behrendt?
bzach71 3 years ago
Kerstin Behrendt, sorry.
gorhman 3 years ago
well said gorhman
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
this is a remarkable race because here are the legends of the late seventies and eighties in one race. do not forget, kondratjewa was the moscow champion! and this was also the beginning of the end of the east german reign in women`s sprinting!
ROUGHBULL 3 years ago 2
And that was the end of an era, both Göhr and Möller out.
Mark5058 3 years ago
I agree. There were only so much drugs they could get away with I suppose.
ALISONEJ43 3 years ago
dumb ass fuckwit!
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago
And now it resorts to foul mouthing. Enough said. obviously rattled ones cage.
ALISONEJ43 3 years ago