Baudrillard - ideas and concepts

[oxlisalouxo]

This was really helpful for my media studies coursework, thanks for uploading! :)

[fivequotes]

Good points inside your write-up, you have got a helpful channel here.

[EclecticSceptic]

@sinprelic Agree.

[tonyfalca]

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom," [capitalism destroys value.]

— Michael Ellner

[susandeehutton]

Great interview, thanks. Alan How clarifies much from the book which I have been reading & rereading for a year. Dr. Mitra's questions get right to the significance of Baudrillard's ideas.

[bastien067]

rien de neuf depuis le mythe de la caverne de Platon : toute réalité est subjective... que ce soit pour un individu ou pour une société... bref c'est pas la découverte du siècle...

[EclecticSceptic]

Blah blah blah postmodernist waffle.

[7th75thCallaghan]

@EclecticSceptic What a profound challenge to their ideas. Pathetic,

[jnrolf]

This guy is cuffing it.... trying to act... the fact that he didn't know what year Baudrillard died? How odd???

[miljenko1]

@jnrolf How? Is that pun? :))))

[7th75thCallaghan]

@jnrolf Why? What do trivial details such as the year of his death matter. If anything that he focuses on the ideas and not the irrelevant adornments such as the information you demand gives greater legitimacy to his intellectuality. I would not care if he could not even remember the man's name, it's the ideas that are important.

[jnrolf]

@7th75thCallaghan Generally your right...I would agree, that the 'average joe' can be excused from this type of detail...but in this case the so called expert, better be WELL READ about Baudrillard, that's just a basic starting point for a big mouth expert, before he/she decides to critique or explain the message.

[PhilosophyLeckie3]

@7th75thCallaghan Yes that and his hair.

[148estella]

The first 5 minutes of this has finally revealed the meaning of simulacrum to me. Thanks Barbara and Alan!

[TomasuRikabe3]

Isn't it possible to intepret the counter-example as showing that we recognise that there is a slippage between the real and the imagined? Isn't the point that we talk about what we believe is real and what we believe is imaginary using the very same grammatical forms?

I would argue that we only assume Diedre is a fictional character, when there remains the chance, albiet sleight, that Coronation Street is a competing account of the real. Doesn't all fiction purport to be real in some sense?

[TomasuRikabe3]

@TomasuRikabe3

I am of course joking about coronation street, but my point remains. There are situations where we cannot distinguish between the real and the fictional, and the joke actually highlights this point rather than disproving it by showing how our forms of speaking can put different levels of reality on the same level through the forms of signification and meaning.

[VthatsME]

The complex ideas are told very clearly here! thanks, now I get it a little better!

[derritrane]

Fact - factum, a thing made, facere (to make; act, take action, be active; compose, write; classify; do, make; create; make, build, construct; produce; produce by growth; bring forth)

Fiction - fictionem, "fashioning or feigning" With such etymology, not only can one forget Foucault, but one can say "who needs Baudrillard" as well! lol

[derritrane]

The "bringing off reality" is a fairly apt way of expressing the "production of reality". The examples are weak and neglect the crucial nature of the topoi concerned, as if they were mere marginalia- "Let's get on with the administered society (Adorno), shall we? But we can enjoy the ideas."

[pabolton]

@derritrane Baudrillard placed ''production of reality'' as second order simulacrum. 1st being counterfeit via Renaissance's. what , i believe he was arguing was that we are now in a social change , being that of the 3rd order simulation.

plus the criticism in this video is very weak, a joke can work socially if you believe in a shared ''reality'' and a distortion of this dialectally could produce a joke, in these terms. doesn't verify a reality distinct from fiction.(in terms of certainty)

[derritrane]

@pabolton

People like Baudrillard are useful insofar as they can provide a bridge between the possibilities of earlier SF speculations and the atrophied conceptualities that pass for philosophic discourse, forms of 'thought' that will endlessly debate the most obvious topoi in a holding pattern that only serves the hegemony of vested interests.

[derritrane]

This is why we get the industries of faux radicalism, 42 years after Derrida's publications, more than a century after Nietzsche, almost a millenia after Nagarjuna's dialectic, the Buddhist Apoha theory of meaning, etc., making the same stupid noises about the loss of reference, reality, foundation, etc..

[derritrane]

Baudrillard's ideas are often called "unsound". Perhaps because he didn't always fit into the loud clamour of banal (Arendt) conceptual reiterations that allows those who familiarise themselves with it to imagine they are thinking something new. That being said, what little I know about Baudrillard doesn't strike me as new, either.

[derritrane]

He writes well, has some grasp of the SF ethos, reflected in his "holistic inferences", as it were, though I would guess he didn't grow up reading SF. If he had, he could have perhaps gone much further. When I mentioned "the production of reality" it was with reference to Dr. Alan How's introductory statements at the beginning of the video. I do remember Baudrillard's point about reality being generated from codes, rather than some 'original'. The video wasn't really going into that, though.

[derritrane]

As to"reality"? It is an interesting mark, noise, regime of "thought", "experience", "things"... 

[peterbrown72]

Brilliant. The man's a genius?