The 2011 Emission Rule Video Petition, Uncut.

[lilgodzillr]

I almost find it hard to believe that some people think that these new laws are actually good. With the global recession, most people can't afford to take on more debt and even people in well paid jobs are struggling after having to pay a mortgage, insurance, food, electricity etc.

This will only lead to people keeping their old, unsafe, polluting vehicles for longer as they can't afford to upgrade to a later model.

[djesta]

you're a right wing bastard this emission rule is a good one

[Globalonlinecars]

@djesta Thank you for taking the time to view my video; however, I have to disagree with your statement. The claims I make are based on my vast experience and research of the FACTS and would gladly welcome any evidence that you can gather to contradict my claims.

[Globalonlinecars]

However, if you can't back your claim that this rule is good, with evidence, then I suggest that you please refrain from making unintelligent and counter-productive claims. This is not about right or left wing politics; it is about the fact that this rule is WRONG for New Zealand and its citizens, and statistics support this.

[bernyyymac]

@djesta How is it a good one? Just a typical troll you are.

[bloodreighn]

@djesta You are an uninformed Fool!

[Schumi345]

Nonsense. An 85% drop in supply is just what we need. We cant sell what we have already got here. Do not sign any petition that stops this becomming law. This is just what we need. 01 02 03 04 models nobody wants and importers bring them in and lose money. Put a bit of value back in these cars. They have become a throw away item and no one wants them.

[JustChewingCud]

Seems to me that used car importers just want to be able to bring any old rattlers in that they can scrape up and of course there'll always be a market for an old cheap car. You guys have had is cushty the last decade or so. A market just gasping for stock because there were such restrictions before. Well great stuff and good on you, you've made a fistful of money and brought enough vehicles in to balance the market. Every civilised country has controls on the vehicles it allows in. Nuff said

[JustChewingCud]

I'm confused. How will continuing to let older cars in ensure that idiots stop texting while driving or ensure that people maintain thier cars? Surely if you carry on letting increasingly older stuff in then you're looking at more cars, vans and trucks that needs more maintentance right from day one. You seem to contradict yourself a lot and your final argument seesm to contradict everything else you say. If you want younger safer cleaner cars then you have to bring in and offer these for sale.

[Bluejandal]

I think it is time NZ stood on its own two feet and stopped importing used cars full stop. This means short term pain for long term gain. Some of the imports in the past and today are rubbish , we need to get quality going from now. The Govt is aware of this and emmissions is vehicle to do this.

[Globalonlinecars]

@Bluejandal Thanks for your comments, I have posted a video reply, please search for,.. Response to BlueJandal's comment on the Emission Rule. Thanks for watching and participating in this discussion. Chris.

[MrBillwilliamson]

OK. I'm confused. You say you want to clean the air. If the plan to follow the rest of the world seven years after every other country worth comparing ourselves with isn't going to reduce air pollution, how does importing 14 year old cars improve the fleet? Why is Europe about to introduce Euro 6? But I guess that is all part of some great conspiracy too.

[BaillieFamily1]

re the fuel - NZ fuel companies choose to import the cheap heavy sulfurous crude instead of the light sweet crude and choose to upgrade Marsden Point to stick with processing the heavy sour stuff.

That's also why our indigenous Taranaki oil is exported - it is the light sweet stuff and we can sell it for more than we can buy the crap stuff for. All decisions made by the fuel majors - including Gerald's BP.

When trouble stops us importing sour oil we won't be able to process our own sweet oil

[BaillieFamily1]

Chris, I was working for the govt from 4 back to 10 years ago when emissions testing, what the technical experts wanted, was first being discussed. That was undermined by a diff govt dept that worried that if polluting cars were taken off the road poor people wouldn't be able to afford to get to their under-paid jobs in the factories. They went for the date limits

A neighbour was a MTA rep on a working group who advised re the testing gear already in garages. UK had exhaust testing decades ago

[Globalonlinecars]

@BaillieFamily1 Thanks for your comment. I think with the introduction of this new rule, the under paid poor and middle income earners will be dying on the way to work, due to the road-worthiness of their old clapped out hunks of junk. They may even take out a few rich people along the way. It seems, only when this becomes apparent, will the upper classes realise that this new rule has affected them too.

[Globalonlinecars]

All Comments regarding this issue are welcome, and if any one has any good idea's on just how to clean up our air quality, then please feel free to enlighten us all, we need new solutions we can present to Government that actually work.

[MrBillwilliamson]

@Globalonlinecars Chris. I'm still waiting to hear how your plan to import 14 year old cars is going to clean our air. I'm also curious to hear why you think the answer to our air quality problems is to get the government to test all the cars in NZ when you say all the cars will fail the test because the government controlled oil companies are not delivering clean fuel.

[BaillieFamily1]

Glad you agree with compulsory emissions testing We just differ on the time between tests

Expensive - not really, any decent garage already has a 4 or 5 gas analyser for engine tuning - same machine for testing

Gerald's a BP man who part own Marsden Point refinery. He can't make it, sell it to us, then complain about the low quality of it

I remember the old smokies from before the imports started so understand your logic, just disagree with your solution

We need new solutions not the status quo

[Globalonlinecars]

@BaillieFamily1 This is great, we have a discussion going on here, Yes, we are on the same team! The expense relating to emission testing equipment was what I have been told through Government channels. The problem with Marsden Point is they have upgraded it as much as they can, to get a better quality fuel, they would have to scrap the plant and build again using the latest technology. I don't have a solution, I just know what we're doing wont work, so your right, any one got any new solutions?

[BaillieFamily1]

How about you first petition to introduce compulsory emissions testing at WOF time, like civilised countries do? After we have regular performanced based testing of all cars we can drop the 'built after' dates from the import legislation.

Our pollution is much worse than what most kiwis accept. It is only by virtue of being in a long skinny country with ocean breezes blowing across it that we don't see most of our pollution.

RWC2011 tourists won't see our 'clean green' thru our diesel exhausts

[Globalonlinecars]

@BaillieFamily1 Thank you for your comments, please see the video response I posted titled "Response to Baillie Family Emission Rule Video Comment".

I am trying to point out that this new rule actually makes Air Quality "worse" in NZ, not better and as such, it should be stopped.

Why introduce something that does not work and makes the lives of lower and middle income earners more expensive?

Lets get some better rules that work!

Thanks for your comments, please watch Gerald Sharrock's Video.

[MrBillwilliamson]

@BaillieFamily1 Hi. If emissions testing was going to deliver clean air on its own, and was introduced in 'civilised countries' 20 years ago, why have they kept introducing new standards? If you or Chris care to spend five minutes to look at the reasons why testing was not introduced in NZ you will see that emissions testing is very poor at identifying vehicles that are high emitting because they are tested at idle. BTW NZ does have first world fuel! Do you want to be sued by the oil companies?

[BaillieFamily1]

@MrBillwilliamson

Hi Bill, I'm not part of Chris' campaign and won't signed his petition

I was responding to his and his supporter's comments on our fuel. His campaign supporter is a lawyer from BP - the Gerald Sharrock video - who was saying our fuel quality is an issue. I'm saying if it is an issue then it is because of them and their decisions - aromatics etc

One can write smart emissions testing rules to include various engine loading positions c/w lower standards for classic cars

[MrBillwilliamson]

@BaillieFamily1 Hi. My argument is not with you but this crackpot who wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit him. Fuel quality is monitored by government agencies. I think I'd take their word before I believed a lawyer who says he worked for an oil company six years ago in a role he doesn't describe . The world has moved on more than a little since then. If you want to know why emissions testing doesn't work and you don't want to look at NZ sites then google the Aussie NISE studies.

[Globalonlinecars]

@BaillieFamily1 Compulsory emission testing at WoF may be the answer, however, the force that is driving this new emission rule cares little about the actual emissions, if they did, they would introduce things that were proven to work. i.e. make it mandatory Busses and Trucks fitted with an exhaust exiting at the roof line, lower the sulphur and Hydrocarbon content of our fuel, scrap 91 grade fuel altogether.

[Globalonlinecars]

@BaillieFamily1 . Its not just the diesel vehicles polluting (and the ones that do excessively, are a badly maintained minority) just take a look a the beginning of "The Car Info Show – Episode 2 The NZ Government Sanctified Emissions Test" airing Thursday 08/09/2011 at 7pm