You are not taking a "stand for the Lord". You are pursuing a degree at a state college that cannot discriminate. When you are doing your work to get the degree you do what you are told. If you don't want to counsel gay people then you won't have to when you get your degree. Until then get off the cross bc somebody else needs the wood... Ms Thang.
@mabdancer thanks for that> I 100 percent agree with you. As a college professor, a student is obliged to do their assignment, even if it violates their personal beliefs. The mere fact that someone in this field is not comfortable with gay people is disturbing. Miss Thing should clean toilets at the local Baptist church.
Perhaps this woman should transfer to Bob Jones University, which officially opposes interracial marriage to this day? They say that it "volates god's laws."
SHAME on the people who are trying to make a martyr out of this woman's bigotry! It's like a white person claiming to be a victim of black people because they were expelled for being bigots towards black. It's doubly offensive coming from a black person. Sorry, but that's how I see it. In Sweden it is considered a "hate crime" to speak against homosexuality from the pulpit. I'm glad one country at least "gets it."
@lisztnut While I personally don't agree with Ms. Ward's views, I nonetheless believe that our Constitution gives our citizens religious freedom. Her church apparently finds it sinful for same sex relationship to exist. There is no established religion that I know of that approves of bigotry towards blacks. Moreover, the choice to expel her by EMICH was a heavy handed reaction. There were plenty of others who could have counseled this couple.
@sager610 but those plenty of others were not asked to counsel the gay person. She was asked to. If there was a religion against blacks this would not be an issue. She would automatically be a racist. In this issue she is homophobic and if you are homophobic you are still required to do your job which is counsel
@sager610 yes, everyone is entitled to their views, we don't disagree on that. However, when it comes to the fact that she ignored her assignment, as a college professor, I would have failed her, too. It is a disgrace that someone in a counseling program would not have already been taught that sexual orientation isn't a choice, and not a moral issue. The problem is in our education system, which FAILED to educate her . We need to STOP religious based bigotry NOW.
@sager610 I'm not sure where you got the information that no religion approves of bigotry towards blacks, but it's incorrect. Bob Jones University (I believe they are Southern Baptist) opposes interracial marriage. The Mormon church used to deny blacks the right to serve in places of leadership until the Federal government threatened to cut off their tax exempt status. It's well documented. They now allow blacks (reluctantly) into their membership.
@sager610 there is a youtube video which shows a Mormon leader explaining why they traditionally discriminated against blacks. It's based on the bible's reference to blacks being a "cursed" race.
You might want to consider training and counseling in non-secular environments.In the real
world, there are homosexuals, bisexuals, substance abusers, pedophiles, hate-mongers and adulterers. Since these folks are all distasteful to you, you can avoid most of them by working only with committed Christians. Of course, your therpeutic abilities will be very limited.
@ricsussan thanks for that. I agree 100 percent. This woman is in the wrong field. She should either clean toilets at the local Baptist church, or become a youth pastor. She has no business in the secular REAL world!
Keep you beliefs, leave the program, go back to your Taliban hypocritical Christian church.
People that don't understand that homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon in all species do not belong in an academic program. Go back to your Church where your uninformed nonsense will be celebrated.
@apollowoman Thank so much Julea! Homosexuality is a dangerous virus trying to fight the system files of God who has created human beings to be one in two antitheses - man and woman. Bellicosity is the major attribute of this virus; now you just can see it with your own eyes.
@apollowoman Homosexuality is not natural in all species. In fact it causes a great deal of damage which is why gay men end up needing a butt plug. The sphincter is a one-way valve-out. You also may want to go back to school and learn how to write a sentence.
@lisztnut Of course you show up less on percentages. You are only 1.5% of the population (according to the American Psych Assoc) Gay men on sitcoms do live a healthier lifestyle, but I come across a lot of real world gay people. They have a lot of physical and mental health problems, as well as drug abuse. This, of course, is not all of them, but it is rampant in the gay community. Don't turn a blind eye to it just because you are in it. I accept there are a lot of jacked up 'Christians'.
@themonkk1 where are you getting this idea that gay people have physical and mental health problems? I have lived in the gay communities in San Francisco and New York and I don't see it. As far as drugs goes, I don't see that it is any worse than the straight community> Also, I have never in all my years in those two cities seen a case of domestic abuse in a gay household. I have half a dozen female friends who were abused by men, one of them was hospitalized, it was so bad..
@themonkk1 I recently read an article about gay suicides. The explanation made perfect sense to me, but might not make sense to you. It has been proven that gay teens don't commit suicide because of being unhappy about being gay, it's because of the prejudice and discrimination we face daily. In fact, most gay kids are so afraid to tell their parents about the bullying that they never do,for fear of being "discovered" as being gay, and fear of rejection. NOBODY to talk to about it.
@themonkk1 the range of the gay population is from about five to twenty percent, depending on who you talk to. Also, any stats I posted on here take "per capita" into consideration. A straight male is nearly 10 times more likely to molest a BOY when compared with a homosexual. Fact!
Gloryyyy to God. love It Love it !!! You gotta stand firm for the kingdom of God!!!! If God is against homosexual lifestyle so am I . Great Stand Julia !!!!!! Gloryyyyyy!!!! Yes!!!!
@rockn4jesus What is the homosexuality"lifestyle?" I was born gay, and as far as I know my lifestyle doesn't differ from that of my heterosexual siblings, except I earn more money, have more education, I travel more and I have better sex more often.
It seems like Lacocacolaman has a lot of hate going toward Julea while demanding tolerance from her. She did not do anything offensive, and she actually gave the student a better shot at getting an understanding therapist. Step outside of your hatred of God for second and just look at this logically Lacocacolaman
@Lacocacolaman...It seems like you have a lot of hate going toward Julea while demanding tolerance from her. She did not do anything offensive, and she actually gave the student a better shot at getting an understanding therapist. Step outside of your hatred of God for second and just look at this logically.
I'm so glad she won. This America you can't force your views down someone Else's throats. Screw the school and the teachers and the insane political correctness this country now preaches. People are so afraid of being labeled as a bigot, racist or homophone. If a person wants to be racist let them, they'll learn through education not indoctrination.
@Lacocacolaman Oh, brother, that IDIOT term again. "PC" is a vapid, empty, bullshit term used by bigots to defend their bigotry.
People aren't "afraid of being labeled" if they aren't racist or homophobic or bigoted. When they ARE, and someone objects, we get "oh, you're just being PC!" Thank God this empty-headed term wasn't around in MLK's day.
Let them be racist??
And what about their victims?? What about the rights of black people to NOT be discriminated against?
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm not sure if you're familiar with America and its constitution. But In America if someone wants to be racist they can as long as they don't interfere with ones Rights. Lets say a racist person owns a hot dog cart and a white man wants a hot dog. the Black Hot dog cart guy can say, "sorry I don't serve your kind" It's the black mans right to decide who he sells his hot dogs too. Now if it's a public owned thing then yes the white man can get a hot dog
@Lacocacolaman I'm not sure I understand your point, but I'm glad you support my decision as a college professor to refuse to teach Christian students. By the way< I teach at a Catholic university? Oops! I disagree with their lifestyle choice.
@lisztnut College professor you don't seem to understand the principle of liberties. Is your catholic school funded by the public? because if it is then you cannot discriminate against anyone, everyone funds it! Now if you own the institution and it's funding comes from private sources Be a racist a bigot, refuse Christians! it's your money your school! why in the world would I want to even attend a place like that!? it's capitalism, the invisible hand of the market will fix the bigots
@Lacocacolaman yes, but the school that this black bigot bitch was at was PUBLIC! Oops! She'll lose her case in the appellate level for sure, based on what you just said.
@lisztnut LOL, I like how she's not some bigot but a "black" bigot :) Why are black bigots worst than white ones?
But yes I'm Libertarian, I hate wars, Racism, but it doesn't mean i'll force it upon people. If people allow me to have my views I'll let them have theirs. We have our Constitutional rights to protect us. But like I said it is a public school SO she's allowed to have her views and be protected under freedom of speech.
@Lacocacolaman am I brilliant or what? Although I'm a staunch socialist, I do appreciate certain aspects of Libertarian principles. Ron Paul rock on! However, I would add that she's certainly allowed to express bigotry, whether it be towards gays or white people, but she may NOT shirk her duties that the school required of her and expect them to roll over and grant her a diploma. She ignored what she was told to do, and thus doesn't quality for her degree. That's how I see it.
@Lacocacolaman by the way, you are implying that homosexuality is a lifestyle or choice, and science says otherwise. It's mightly offesensive to tell a gay person not to live a life as a gay person. You might as well be telling a black person not to live as a black person. Is that ridiculous or what?
@Lacocacolaman BUT, as a requirement her degree, she did NOT follow through with it, and thus is not acting professionally. As an educator, I would have failed her, not merely dismissed her from the school as they did, By the way, I haven't even watched the video yet, because I just read this story elsewhere. My computer is on mute.
@Lacocacolaman my husband is a therpist, and he would certainly tell us that she acted unprofessionally, and thus shouldn't be in this profession. She should clean toilets at the local Baptist church, in my opinion. She's better suited for that.
@lisztnut How is it unprofessional for her to say she can't counsel someone who in her mind is living an unhealthy life? She would counsel them but not in the way they would want. She said this. There's nothing wrong with her not feeling comfortable. professors all the time are respectful of their students beliefs, why not this one? Using your logic Gay students should fail christian classes if they refuse to write about why homosexuality is wrong in the bible.
@Lacocacolaman first off, she's WRONG about homosexuals living an unhealthy life, so if I were her suuperior I'd nnip that myth in the bud. In fact, the "heteorseuxa lifestyle" is FAR more unhealthy (AIDS, teen pregnancy, abuse of women, rape, unwanted children, abortion, etc). Secondly any mental health professional is taught that the REASON homosexuals seek counselling is to get help with the bigotry that this woman is displaying in the first place, cont'd.
@IamaFreeWillOffering dumbass, the AIDS crises STARTED in the heterosexual community, and is currently primarily in YOUR community worldwide. Get a fucking clue.
@IamaFreeWillOffering heterosexual intercourse is now responsible for 80-90% of all HIV transmissions worldwide. The current likelihood of male to female infection after a single exposure to HIV is 0.01-0.32%, and the current likelihood of female to male infection after a single exposure is 0.01-0.1%. These estimates are mostly derived from studies in the developed world. However, a man or a woman can become HIV-positive after just one sexual contact.
@IamaFreeWillOffering From the UK: Infections acquired heterosexually have accounted for the much of the rapid rise in the numbers of new HIV diagnoses (4,049 in 2005 compared to 840 in 1996). Since 1999 the number of new HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals have outnumbered those among gay and bisexual men.
@Lacocacolaman like I said, she shouldn't be granted her degree, nuimber one. Secondly, she's in the wrong profession. She should be a youth pastor or in some religious setting. She does NOT belong in the public forum, such as a counsellor, attempting to get a degree at a respected institution. A public school teacher in New Jesery was just fired for her anti-gay rants, and rightly so.
@lisztnut Perverts won't listen to good advice even though they know they're filled with perverted lust, but they want to tell everyone who is normal how they should live.
@Lacocacolaman I have a private piano student, who is a psychiatrist. I have another friend (concidentally black) who is struggling with his religion vs his sexual orientation. I referred this friend to my student. Guess what happened? The psychiatrist said he couldn't work with my friend, because people who have this struggle usually never come to terms with it, and it's too much work. HOWEVER, this girl is getting a DEGREE, and didn't do what was required to get the degree; FAIL!
@Lacocacolaman there was a time here in California when landlords were granted the right to refuse housing to blacks. It was called Prop 14 in the 1960s. Would you have supported this law? It passed with 67 perrcent of the vote, and Ronald Reagan supported it. He said "if a landlord wants to refuse housing to a NEGRO (his word), it is his right to do so." Prop 14 was invalidated two years later, just as Prop 8 will be.
@lisztnut yeah it's sad but it's called being a tyrant when you force people to do things they don't want to do....
I prefer education over indoctrination and force. I'm also curious as to where the bible supports homosexuality? pretty weird doctrine, i read it and never ran into that. Keep in mind there's lots of sins and I don't like supporting any even the ones I do. I don't condemn sinners because i'm not free from it but I also hate when people support it.
@Lacocacolaman I'm not sure I understand what you're saying regarding the bible "supporting" homosexuality. I don't know anywhere in the bible where heterosexuality is "supported" either. I know for a fact that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in a negative light, and those who did mention it were known homophobes, such as the apostle Paul. Also, don't forget that the word "abomination" has been completely misunderstood. It is NOT a condemnation. Cont'd
@lisztnut Um Maybe the Christians are right when reading the bible... You do know the old testament condemns it? Leviticus 18:22, Jesus didn't need to say it all the jews new it was against Gods will. Now im not saying it's the worst sin, but the OT is clearly against it and Jesus was a jew, Jesus never mentions anything about beastiality, so does that make it ok then!? I seriously doubt it. this line of argument is seriously flawed Biblically.
@Lacocacolaman you didn't even read what I wrote previously, did you? I said that Leviticus is irrelevant because "abomination" doesnt' mean condemnation. FAIL!
@lisztnut How old are you to be saying "FAIL" hahaha. Well I brought it up as a point that if christians use that weak argument to defend homosexuality they must do the same with adultery, Beastiality and child sacrifice.JESUS NEVER MENTIONED THOSE!!! SO it must be ok. Come on Leviticus 20:13 condemns homosexuals to death! I'm sorry no imagination can fix it. clearly the disciples of JESUS knew the sins involved with it to say they're homophobes and making things up is idiotic.
@Lacocacolaman the bible also instructs a parent to stone to death a child who "curseth" him, does it not? It also says that a bride must be stoned to death if she's not a virgin on her wedding night. So much for following this "word of god!"
@Lacocacolaman If you'd like I can send you a list of all the bible passages that refer to homosexaulity, and show you how they've been misinterpreted. It's from this website: religioustolerance org. It's a Canadian site. I always trust Canadians more than Americans when it comes to these issues, because they're usually more intelligent and informed.
@lisztnut CONT. Mormons and Catholics views are messed up but just because they're wrong about several issues doesn't make everything else wrong. I'm against Homosexuality for many reasons but two consenting adults can marry i don't care... But This girl should have the right to also not want to counsil homosexuals.
@Lacocacolaman how can you be "against" homosexuality? That's stupid. It's like saying you're against left handedness. I don't need your approval to exist, nor does any other gay person. We're here, and nothing you can do about it, is there? It doesnt' require your approval. SImple.
@Lacocacolaman that's one of the first mistakes that ignorant Christian fundamentlists make. You must remember that "abominations" include cutting your hair, wearing mixed fabrics, eating shrimp and having mixed crops in the same field. Therefore, placing homosexuality in that context should make it clear that the bible doesn't consider it a sin. During biblical times the ONLY interest was building up the members of the church, so homosexuality was DISCOURAGED.
@Lacocacolaman similarly in today's world we see that the most virulent opponents of gay marriage are the Mormons and Catholic church (not Catholics themselves, just the leaders of the church. Catholics in America support marriage equality.) The reason these two groups oppose it are somewhat different. Mormons have ONE interest only, and that's building their membership. That's why they solicit door to door and go on mission work. Catholics are against ANY sex not involving procreation.
@Lacocacolaman Perv lisztnut, references a LOT of Scriptures to harangue against God's Word but the perv deliberately left out the ones condemning his perversion.
Not surprising for a liar to do that, though. Liars don't like to either tell the truth or even allow others to speak it.
@lisztnut Sexual perverts like to reference blacks in their pretense that you have the same issue, but the blacks don't buy your lie. They KNOW they were born black and they also KNOW you're perverted because you want to be.
"Born that way"? Really? While heterosexuals don't enter puberty until they approach their teenage years, you expect us to believe that you were born wanting a penis in your mouth instead of a breast!
I think you're incredibly stupid to think we're that stupid.
@Lacocacolaman You won't get anywhere trying to get a sexual pervert to deal reasonably, rationally or honestly. It took them years of continually lying to themselves to sear their consciences so much that they're no longer ashamed of being perverted. Why would you think they would suddenly start listening to reason now?
It's a lost cause.
When a sexual pervert on YT gets the slightest pang of conscience, since you're not in his presence, he can turn you off quickly and easily.
@IamaFreeWillOffering I have lied to NOBODY. I am PROUD of who I am and I don't need the approval of an idiot like you, that's for DAMN sure! Have you forgotten so quickly that gay men outperfom you in life?
@IamaFreeWillOffering From the UK: Infections acquired heterosexually have accounted for the much of the rapid rise in the numbers of new HIV diagnoses (4,049 in 2005 compared to 840 in 1996). Since 1999 the number of new HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals have outnumbered those among gay and bisexual men.
@IamaFreeWillOffering heterosexual intercourse is now responsible for 80-90% of all HIV transmissions worldwide. The current likelihood of male to female infection after a single exposure to HIV is 0.01-0.32%, and the current likelihood of female to male infection after a single exposure is 0.01-0.1%. These estimates are mostly derived from studies in the developed world. However, a man or a woman can become HIV-positive after just one sexual contact.
@IamaFreeWillOffering The National Library of Medicine pubs confirm that sexual orientation is natural, biologically induced in the first trimester of pregnancy, morally neutral, immutable, neither contagious nor learned, bearing no relation to an individuals ability to form deep and lasting relationships, to parent children, to work or to contribute to society. From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.
@lisztnut APA had a lot of pressure from the homosexual movement to remove it as a mental illness. Just because someone votes it normal doesn't make it so. The army just made it legal for soldiers to comit beastiality it doesn't mean it's ok. Now keep in mind as a christian I'm not out to "get" people who are attracted to the same sex. I have lots of sins of my own to deal with to point out others but my point of all this is that this girl did nothing wrong. Rape is also natural...
@IamaFreeWillOffering The thing is I have my own sins to deal with and I hate judging others for theirs but I also hate watching support for SIN. It is a lost cause in a sense but you never know maybe one sane individual will read this and learn something. But from personal experience people get so emotional and throw logic out the window and it clearly becomes a lost cause. You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make them think.
@Lacocacolaman here's the deal: homosexuality isn't a sin. It's a sexual orientation, which is equal to one's gender or race. Who made homosexuality a sin? It was the people who misinterpreted the bible, that's who.
@Lacocacolaman here's the problem I have with bible folks. First off, there is certainly no consensus among Christians about what constitutes a sin. Ifyou ask 100 Christians about what is a sin, you'll get 100 answer, correct? There is no concrete list of sins which they all follow. Some Christians actually think it's OK to own a gun, and yet the bible specifically mentions killing in the ten commandments. Why do they ignore this?
@lisztnut uh... yeah there is, Sin is going against Gods will. If God tells you to jump and you sit it's sinning against God. Pretty simple, Like I said I can compare beastiality to homosexuality because the logic you used to defend homosexuality can be used exactly the same with child sacrifices and ect. Seriously I know Canadians who agree that homosexuality is a sin.
@Lacocacolaman I'm sure you know Canadians who are misinformed. Im just saying that they are,in general, more thoughtful and less brainwashed. As a rule, Canadians Aare FAR less religious, as well. They are a secular society, and I've alway sadmired them more than Americans. By the way, your arugment is compeltely falwed, because I'm not conceding that homosexulzity is a sin.. Some very prominent theologians disagree with that premise.
@lisztnut CONT. OK you're not familiar at all with christianity only the little you read. Well Jesus came and fulfilled a lot of the mosiac law us Christians don't follow those laws. Jesus told us not to stone the sinner if other do they're not reading the bible. Lots of christians don't read the bible. Also some people like to confuse and lie to christians... kind of like the stuff you're saying. You wont defend child sacrifice using that flawed logic but you'll defend homosexuality.
@Lacocacolaman I read the bible cover to cover at 14, as I may have told you, and that's why I outright reject Christianity. It was this experience, not my homosexaul orientaiton, or what the bible does and doesn't say about it, that caused me to reject it.
@lisztnut say no more! I found out your lack of understanding of the bible you read it when you were 14. You need to read it as an adult.
What are you talking about?! leviticus 20 isn't talking about rituals! seriously you need to read it. You're way wrong and I want to meet the people who taught you this because I'd want to put them in their place for doing this to you. When you read it it says nothing about rituals... It's God speaking to moses on what to do about the laws.
@Lacocacolaman here's the website which says that the Leviticus 20 verse is about rituals: religioustolerance org. I'll think you're LEARN something.  And, are you seriously trying to tell me the bible is NOT subjective? WTF? Why are there so many Christian sects if it's absolute? That's a DUMB comment!
@lisztnut see that's your problem I could humiliate these guys in person but i'd never get the chance.. sadly. But read it for yourself it's so simple no need to get some fools to interpret something that needs no interpretation. it's a simple passage. READ IT please... i'm going to bed goodnight. When you read it be sure to point out where it talks about rituals
@Lacocacolaman sorry, dude, but it wasn't MY interpretation, rather that of leading theologians, who have spent their lives studying this. I wouldn't be the one to debate them, if I were you. Good night!
I have a Masters of Divinity & have done all coursework for a Ph.D. so I would be perfectly capable of answering your objections to the Bible & Christianity at length but would prefer to do so via Personal Messages so as not to clog up this board. You seen to be interested in actually debating instead of just mocking and ridiculing, as so many do. In fact, I'm a converted former Evolutionist who came to realize that it is not a scientific theory, it is an anti-theistic "faith".
@cda76er whilst I appreciate your civility in this debate, I have to say you have as much chance at convincing me that the bible is accurate about ANYTHING, as you have at showing me that pigs can fly. Sorry, it is not a leap of "faith" to think that humans were "created" 6000 years ago, that's denying simple scientific evidence. That I won't do... Have a nice day!
I believe in a relatively young earth, but well over 6000 yrs. U begin by rejecting the possibility of supernatural Creation. This is an unprovable & untestable belief just as much as our belief of the existence of The God of the Bible. U merely assume that only the natural forces we observe today can be used to explain what we see today. But this is an unwarranted assumption even from a naturalistic standpoint. After all, how do u know that we fully understand the relevant natural forces?
One more thought. If The God of the Bible exists, then nothing that the Bible says that He has done is either impossible or unjust. Your problem with the Bible is really that u assume that the God it describes cannot exist. This is a false assumption which is driven by the natural tendency to suppress the knowledge of God that all of us inevitably have. U need to realize this, as I did 30 years ago. What you think is the worst thing you could do is actually the best. God bless.
@cda76er incidentally, most Christian scientists acknowledge that evolution happened. It is no longer in doubt. Where do you get this notion that it is debatable? Even the Catholic church acknowledges that it happened and the story fo Adam and Eve is a metaphor and not to be taken literally. You seem intelligent. Why haven't you figured that out? The Catholic church also acknowledges that people are BORN gay, and that the big bang happened.
There are many Christian scientists who deny that Evolutionism adequately explains the universe. There are about 200 listed on the Answers in Genesis website (along with an archive of articles that could be helpful to you, if you are truly open-minded). And u r simply wrong about the Catholic Church (officially). But it doesn't matter who believes what. What matters is what is true. There's no evidence that people are born homosexual, but, even if they were it still wouldn't make it right.
@cda76er you enjoy living your life in denial of reality, don't you? You siaid there is no evidence that people are born homosexaul? That happens to be completely 100 percent FALSE. There is overwhelming evidence in the biology of sexual orientation. 1 a Swedish brian study in 2008 confirmed that the brains of striaghts and gays were differently shaped 2 the sense of smell of gays and straights differs 3 penis size difers by sexual orientation
@cda76er will you please STOP going around and saying statements that are patently FALSE?  Science has more than enough evidence that gay people are born gay, and straights are born straight, you just didn't hear about it in your Sunday school. I refer you to this pdf file: The Science of Sexual Orientaiton, liberty educationforum org In fact, scientists are pretty confident now that environment plays virtually NO role in the formation of sexual orientation, which means it is biological.
@cda76er the same Swedish scientists who discovered the brain differences between straights and gays claim that they can predict sexual orientation BEFORE birth. I'm sorry you are so ignroant and have never heard of this before, but that shows that the world is an ignorant place where religious dogma can surpress scientific knowledge. Sad, but true. By the way, the genetic component in homosexuality is quite strong, stronger in fact than left handedness.
There have also been studies showing genetic factors in alcoholism. Does this make this a good thing? I agree that "religious dogma can suppress scientific knowledge". But what you don't realize is that this can go both ways. We argue that it is the anti-theistic dogma of the dominant Scientific establishment that suppresses the discoveries of Intelligent Design scientists, which are arrived at by exactly the same methods. I also appreciate your willingness to present arguments.
@cda76er again: OFFENSIVE to compare alcoholism, which is a disease, to homosexuality which is NOT! A more apt comparison would be to compare gender to sexual orientation. I'm pretty sure the brains of alcoholics are not differently shaped from non-alcoholics.
I believe some studies have shown brain differences in alcoholics. As for offensiveness, this works both ways: Christians are constantly offended by things that non-Christians do and say (like terrorists who claim to be doing God's work or people who blaspheme against our God). We accept this reality and seek to forgive, tolerate and even love our enemies. The problem is that, increasingly, the anti-Christian side is not willing to do the same and tolerate our religious freedom.
@cda76er alcoholicism is to homosexuality what drug addiction is to heterosexuality. How's that? The mere fact that you'd mention sexual orientation in the same breathe as alocoholism is not only offensive, it's illogical. To my mind the closest analogy to sexual orientation is handedness. Nobody makes a "choice" to be right or left handed. We are innately one or the other. Does it mean that a left handed person can "mimick" right handed behavior? YES!
@cda76er I agree that terrorists have given religious fundamentalists a bad name, but how are they any different from the Mormons and Catholic church who successfully removed MY civil rights at the ballot box? I view that as a form of terrorism as well, and it's far more incidious, because losing the right to marry will affect the rest of the lives for most gay people. Sorry, but I'm frankly fucking tired of hearing Christians make the claim to be victims in that light.
@cda76er here in California there were EXTREMELY offensive commercials during the Prop 8 campaign which made completely specious claims. These included the bullshit that gay marriage would be "taught" in schools. That nonsense was made up by those AGAINST gay marriage, not for it. We have NO interest in teaching kids about marriage. BULLSHIT! Secondly, they said that religious "freedoms' would be lost when gays would marry? EXCUSE me? HOW are religious groups EVER required to marry ANYONE?
@cda76er are Jews required to marry Christians, or Buddhists required to marry Jews? Then how in the HELL would a church EVER be required to marry a gay couple? Explain that one please. Churches have ALWAYS had the right to marry anyone they please, and never face any legal recourse. That's a protected right, and always has been. My father won't marry any couple if a partner has been previously divorced. It's his right to refuse them, too.
@cda76er another way the religious right claimed to be victims of gay marriage was the claim that children would somehow come home from school one day and tell their mommy that they were gay, as IF you can 'learn" to be gay. It doesn't work that way. Sexual orientaiton isn't contagious and cannot be taught. It that were the case there would be no gay people because every human is INDOCTRINATED in heterosexuality. Gay people DO NOT RECRUIT! That's a myth.
@cda76er then they showed tis offensive commercial where a group of young students was supposedly "forced" to attend the wedding of their lesbian teacher. Now, do you know ANY school that would require students to attend their teacher's wedding? HELL NO! That was absurd. They showed the kids faces as if they were scared of this situation, and that "the gays' represented a threat to them. I was mad as fucking hell, and people bought that nonsense.
@cda76er the method of the religious right has been to demonize gay people (in fact YOU'VE done that on this very site). It was a similar method that the Nazis and KKK used. If you make people afraid of the minority, then who in their right mind would support their civil rights? The Nazis told people that Jews "stole' children, and the KKK told people that all black men raped white women. Guess what? It WORKED! Similarly, the religious right says gays will "RECRUIT" their kids. BULLSHIT!
@cda76er gay people believe what science teaches us, which is that sexual orientaiton is innate, and cannot be changed. The notion of "recruitting' kids is completely counter to what every gay person knows innately, which is we cannot change our orientation. Therefore, the very idea of "changing" someone's orientation or "teaching" a kid to be gay is beyond absurd.
We believe that you have bought into several falsities - that Science has proven that sexual orientation is innate and can't be changed. The former has not been conclusively established and the latter is contradicted by the testimony of multitudes of men and (especially) women who formerly lived as homosexuals and were able to become faithful hetero's. In fact, many men who believe they are homosexual have demonstrated the ability to perform with women, but simply prefer men. . .
@cda76er I don't have same sex "impulses." Homosexual is part of who I am, just as I'm male. I'm pretty sure I don't have "impulses" to be male. DUH! DO you THINK?
@cda76er sorry, but you are working under the misconception that sexual behavior and sexual orientation are the same thing. When a person makes a conscious choice to ignore their sexual orientation and behave as the opposite orientation they do NOT change their orientation. Do you know about "gay for pay?" These are straight guys who have gay sex for money in the porn industry. Just because they have sex with the same sex, does NOT make them homosexual. Got it? Use your BRAIN!
@cda76er My life experience has taught me that there is no reason I would WAN to be straight. In fact, I see it as a huge advantage to be gay. Now, that must terribly disappoint you that I'm so well adjusted and happy being gay, right? You want me to be miserable, and here I am, a happy, healthy, productive, and VERY successful homosexual, who views heterosexuality as a disadvantage. LOL! I'm your worst nightmare.
@cda76er have you actually read what the "ex-gay" movement says about sexual orientation? They acknowledge that people can't change their orientation, and in fact the founder of Exodus international eventually left the organization because he fell in love with another man. He admitted that the whole thing is a farce. A human being CANNOT change their sexual orientation. Yes, there are more women who are bisexual than men, but no human has successfully changed their orientation.
@cda76er have you actually read what the "ex-gay" movement says about sexual orientation? They acknowledge that people can't change their orientation, and in fact the founder of Exodus international eventually left the organization because he fell in love with another man. He admitted that the whole thing is a farce.  A human being CANNOT change their sexual orientation. Yes, there are more women who are bisexual than men, but no human has successfully changed their orientation.
@cda76er you don't even need to listen to what I have to say about the ex-gay movement, you can read the testimonies of actual Christian gays who attempted to go through the ex-gay programs, and it didn't work for them:
Let's not play the numbers game. I can provide plenty of examples that the Exodus approach can be successful, otherwise the ministry wouldn't exist. If u r so close-minded as to deny this then u r a very poor academic. It is an undeniable reality that most people can develop heterosexual relationships (e.g. men with families who turn to a homosexual lifestyle). Many simply choose homosexual ones because it is easier for them or more pleasureable, but this doesn't make it right.
@cda76er please provide EVIDENCE that people in Exodus have CHANGED their sexual orientation. There is NO proof of that, I guarantee it. They don't even make that claim. Go on their website and read for yourself. What Exodus Int does is frankly close to criminal behavior. It is basically asking people to LIE about who they are. They might as well be telling boys that if they dress like a girl and act like a girl, it will make them a girl. Doesn't work that way.
@cda76er once again, I refer you to this website for education about why Exodus doesn't work: beyondexgay com You can no more "pray away your gay" then you can pray away your skin color or gender.
@cda76er I once again refer you to what the EXPERTS have to say about this topic: "Human beings cannot choose to be straight or gay. Human beings cannot change their sexual orientation voluntarily." The American Psychological Association
@cda76er once again the word "lifestyle" in reference to homosexuality is offensive, and not supported by science. You cannot say I live a homosexual "lifestyle" and that you are a heterosexual. It doesn't work that way. It would be like saying there is a "female lifestyle" but men are born male. Whenever someone uses the term "lifestyle" in reference to gay people it automatically means: BIGOT TALKING!
@cda76er the word "lifestyle' in reference to homosexuality was coined in order for the religious right to bash gay people, and place us in a "different' category from heterosexuals. I don't live a "lifestyle" based on my sexual orientation and neither do you.. It's obvious. It's like saying "you people' in reference to blacks, as if they aren't like you and me. Name ONE aspect of my lifestyle that differs from yours other than the gender of my spouse.
@cda76er the word "lifestyle' in reference to homosexuality was coined in order for the religious right to bash gay people, and place us in a "different' category from heterosexuals. I don't live a "lifestyle" based on my sexual orientation and neither do you.. It's obvious. It's like saying "you people' in reference to blacks, as if they aren't like you and me. Name ONE aspect of my lifestyle that differs from yours other than the gender of my spouse.
@cda76er I would venture to say that my lifestyle is more healthy than yours. I am immune from abortion, teen pregnancy, unwanted children and abuse of women. I also am far physically healthier than heterosexuals in my age category.
@cda76er by the way, the APA is absolutely crystal clear on this: "human beings cannot change their sexual orientation voluntarily. There is no evidence of the efficacy of the reparative therapy to change one's orientation. In fact, they do more harm than good. We do not support any efforts to change sexual orientation."
Secondly, our objection to the encouragement of young people to pursue their same-sex impulses has nothing to do with recruitment (though some on our side are admittedly confused on this point).  Our problem is that it pushes conscientious young people who have experienced same-sex impulses to act against what their consciences are saying inside, leading to confusion, fear, alienation, depression, despair and suicide, in some cases. . .
@cda76er by the way, the increase of violence against gays when we gain our civil rights is no surprrise at all. The KKK did the same thing when blacks were gaining their rights. We will NOT allow this to deter us from our mission of completely and 1000 percent EQUALITY in the law. Nice try, though, but you fuckers do NOT intimidate us. NO FUCKING WAY! I happen to be physically very strong as well, having worked out for the past twenty years three times a week.
Do you really want to go to war for your supposed "equality"? I don't. Tolerance and "rights" go two ways. Your claim of rights cannot trump mine. I am working to make the Church more tolerant and, ultimately, loving toward homosexuals. At the same time, your side must respect our deeply-held conviction that it is sinful and not try to force us to endorse and support your practices, which are offensive to us. You simply cannot force us to "celebrate" and support your sexuality.
@cda76er do you know that the anti-gay violence increased in the Netherlands when gays got their equal right to marry? This is no surprise, and it actually validates my point.  Heterosexuals are collectively insecure morons. Are you proud? LOL! There is a touching youtube video from a straight man who basically apologizes to the gay community for the fact that we've been treated badly by heterosexuals. Here it is: I Hate Gay Pride, by grumpychuck.
"Heterosexuals are collectively insecure morons." This shows your own arrogance and bigotry (along with your other hateful statements). In this area more than any other I find people like you who are massively hypocritical - Not only are you doing what you accuse us of doing (namely, hating those who have different beliefs), but you even do it to people who try to reach out in love to you (like me or Exodus Int'l.). I have said nothing hateful, simply that homosexuals are wrong.
@cda76er can you show me evidence that the anti-gay marriage vote was NOT motivated by insecurity and the perception that heterosexuals were being "threatened" by gay people? It was in your TV commercials as plain as day. The Prop 8 trial illustrated this beautifully. The Judge determined that the TV ads were meant to scare people into thinking that gay people were going to "make" children gay, as IF that were possible.
The only hope for peace is for both sides to tolerate the opposing positions (that is, recognize the right to think differently), not to impose our view. No matter how strongly you disagree, pro-LGBT'ers must realize & respect that we see you heading for disaster if you continue in a homosexual lifestyle (both in this world & in the Final Judgment). We can't really stop you if u r determined to continue, but (from our perspective) we would be negligent if we didn't try to appeal to you to stop
@cda76er I was BORN with my sexual orietanion, which is homosexual. My "lifestyle' is marriage. I assume you don't object to one person dedicating their lives to another in matrimony? I can't stop being male, either. What is your point? I can no longer stop being gay then I can stop being male or Caucasian. Science agrees with me on that, so does the Catholic church.
@cda76er I have assumed all along you are female. Am I right? If so, can you put yourself in my shoes. Imagine getting into a relationship with a woman. Will this "make" you gay, or do you think you'd still be attracted to men? Please answer my question.
@cda76er the Catholic church acknowledges that sexual orientation is innate and immutable. They say that for a gay person to "pretend' to be straight is unhealthy and immoral. I completely agree with that> Where they go off the mark is to tell gay people that they must remain in a life of celibacy. Look what this does to their priests. Its turns them into pedophiles. Is that what you would advocate? Now, you have never given ANY proof that sexual orientation can be changed.
@cda76er I'll remind you that groups like Exodus International do not even make the claim to change sexual orientation. They merely dupe gay people into thinking they've changed when they get into fake heterosexual relationships. That would no more work for gays than it would work for straights. If you think having sex with another woman would make you gay, think again.
@cda76er can you sit here and honestly tell me that animus towards gays was not the motivating factor behind Prop 8? Seriously? Get a CLUE! Did you see any Prop 8 commercials?
@cda76er tell me one reason I should "tolerate" your bigotry towards me. Should blacks have "tolerated' whites when we didn't allow them into our schools? HELL NO!!!!!! I no longer need to tolerate your bigotry than they did.
@cda76er look, I 'tolerate" your religious beliefs, if you want to think that homosexuality is a sin, who is stopping you? I draw the line when you use the LAW to remove my civil rights because of your religious beliefs. If we as a society allow Athiests to marry, then your whole point about marriage being a religious institution is null and void. There were no gods invited to my wedding, that's for sure.
@cda76er Also, don't forget that ":god" has been marrying gay couples for decades already. If you deny this, you are offending these church groups: the California Council of Churches, Evangelical Lutheran Church, Unitarian Church, Church of Christ, and the Swedish Lutheran Church (the largest church in Sweden). Hell, there was a Baptist church that actively solicited gay couples to marry here in California! They put out an ad in the gay newspapers.
@lisztnut The authority for a Christian is not the 'Church' but the Bible. Thanks for advising on 'lifestyle' being offensive to you. I did not know that, and I would not want to unnecessarily offend anyone. You are not a Christian so I have no problem with you doing whatever you want to do. You, on the other hand, may want to avoid telling Christians what they should or shouldn't believe. I also don't believe you tolerate religious beliefs. Julea did nothing wrong and yet you rant.
@themonkk1 my father's an Evangelical minister so I do NOT hate Christians. If feel sorry for you. NEWSFLASH, the following bible accounts are myths, and did NOT happen:
1 Adam and Eve were "created" 6000 years ago. Humans were on earth 1.4 million years prior to that.
2 Jesus' mommy couldn't have been a virgin. NOT possible.
3 snakes can't talk, yet your bible says they can.
4 no human has lived 900 years, despite what your bible says. You've just been educated!
@themonkk1 homosexuality is no more a moral issue than is left handedness or red hair. Just because people are the minority orientation does NOT make it wrong. And, incidentally, since I'm educating you, I'll inform you that the word "abomination" is NOT a condemnation. If it were, then eating shrimp, touching a menstruating woman, wearing mixed fabrics, and sleeping in a bed where semen has been spilled are also sins. Oops! Hypocrite much?
@themonkk1 Julea absolutely did something wrong. As a college educator, I would have FAILED her for not obeying the terms of her program. She has no more business being granted a degree than if she hadn't done her coursework.
@themonkk1 And, let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say I go to Bob Jones University and I think that interracial marriage is a sin (the bible can easily be used to support the notion that interracial marriage is wrong, just ask for the verses). Let's say that Julea was in an interracial marriage. Should I be allowed to refuse to council her and her husband if he is white, based on this belief? I say NO, and the same should be true of gay couples.
@themonkk1 Here's the deal, you Christians use your beliefs to make laws which discriminate against ME. I have never advocated, nor will advocate for the removal of your civil rights because of MY beliefs. That's immoral. So, for you people to use this belief system to oppress ME, I will NOT sit by and take it. I will RUN to those "activist" liberal" courts who've always assisted minorities when it comes to the oppression by the majority.
@themonkk1 "I am against amendments banning gay marriage. They are nothing short of gay bashing. I believe Martin would have supported gay marriage, as he always said that an injustice to one group is an injustice to all." Coretta Scott King So, I have a justifiable chip on my shoulder against you people. Sorry, but I have GOOD reason to have it. Leave the law the fuck alone, deal or no deal? If we are granted our civil rights, you need to STOP your immoral behavior.
@themonkk1 I also find it remarkable that a person of "color" would join the Christian agenda in the first place. Let's remember that the KKK was a Christian organization, and still is to this day. More specifically, you cannot join it unless you are white and Protestant.
I will be increasing my yearly contribution to EMU.
Bigotry justified by religion is bigotry just the same.
It's no different than religion being used to justify racial dicrimination.
She should attend Liberty Universiry. Oh, wait, they don't care for black people there. Ironic
RoyalOakDude 3 weeks ago
Have fun working the drive thru honey !  LMAO
breyeanc 3 weeks ago
Glad your bigoted ass got expelled. Good riddance
breyeanc 3 weeks ago
@lisztnut She's awesome. You are the bigoted fag. lmao
MrRayBnz 3 weeks ago
You are not taking a "stand for the Lord". You are pursuing a degree at a state college that cannot discriminate. When you are doing your work to get the degree you do what you are told. If you don't want to counsel gay people then you won't have to when you get your degree. Until then get off the cross bc somebody else needs the wood... Ms Thang.
mabdancer 4 weeks ago
@mabdancer thanks for that> I 100 percent agree with you. As a college professor, a student is obliged to do their assignment, even if it violates their personal beliefs. The mere fact that someone in this field is not comfortable with gay people is disturbing. Miss Thing should clean toilets at the local Baptist church.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
Perhaps this woman should transfer to Bob Jones University, which officially opposes interracial marriage to this day? They say that it "volates god's laws."
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
SHAME on the people who are trying to make a martyr out of this woman's bigotry! It's like a white person claiming to be a victim of black people because they were expelled for being bigots towards black. It's doubly offensive coming from a black person. Sorry, but that's how I see it. In Sweden it is considered a "hate crime" to speak against homosexuality from the pulpit. I'm glad one country at least "gets it."
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@lisztnut While I personally don't agree with Ms. Ward's views, I nonetheless believe that our Constitution gives our citizens religious freedom. Her church apparently finds it sinful for same sex relationship to exist. There is no established religion that I know of that approves of bigotry towards blacks. Moreover, the choice to expel her by EMICH was a heavy handed reaction. There were plenty of others who could have counseled this couple.
sager610 4 weeks ago
@sager610 but those plenty of others were not asked to counsel the gay person. She was asked to. If there was a religion against blacks this would not be an issue. She would automatically be a racist. In this issue she is homophobic and if you are homophobic you are still required to do your job which is counsel
habtell93 4 weeks ago
@sager610 yes, everyone is entitled to their views, we don't disagree on that. However, when it comes to the fact that she ignored her assignment, as a college professor, I would have failed her, too. It is a disgrace that someone in a counseling program would not have already been taught that sexual orientation isn't a choice, and not a moral issue. The problem is in our education system, which FAILED to educate her . We need to STOP religious based bigotry NOW.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@sager610 I'm not sure where you got the information that no religion approves of bigotry towards blacks, but it's incorrect. Bob Jones University (I believe they are Southern Baptist) opposes interracial marriage. The Mormon church used to deny blacks the right to serve in places of leadership until the Federal government threatened to cut off their tax exempt status. It's well documented. They now allow blacks (reluctantly) into their membership.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@sager610 there is a youtube video which shows a Mormon leader explaining why they traditionally discriminated against blacks. It's based on the bible's reference to blacks being a "cursed" race.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
You might want to consider training and counseling in non-secular environments.In the real
world, there are homosexuals, bisexuals, substance abusers, pedophiles, hate-mongers and adulterers. Since these folks are all distasteful to you, you can avoid most of them by working only with committed Christians. Of course, your therpeutic abilities will be very limited.
ricsussan 1 month ago
@ricsussan thanks for that. I agree 100 percent. This woman is in the wrong field. She should either clean toilets at the local Baptist church, or become a youth pastor. She has no business in the secular REAL world!
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
Keep you beliefs, leave the program, go back to your Taliban hypocritical Christian church.
People that don't understand that homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon in all species do not belong in an academic program. Go back to your Church where your uninformed nonsense will be celebrated.
apollowoman 1 month ago
@apollowoman Thank so much Julea! Homosexuality is a dangerous virus trying to fight the system files of God who has created human beings to be one in two antitheses - man and woman. Bellicosity is the major attribute of this virus; now you just can see it with your own eyes.
dfz32343434dfdsfvsd1 1 month ago
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@dfz32343434dfdsfvsd1 Homosexuality is actually healthier than heterosexuality. 1 we don't have abortions
2 we don't have teen pregnancy
3 we don't abuse women (one in four women is abused by a straight male, and one in five is raped)
4 we don't have unwanted or abandoned children
5 AIDS is currently a heterosexual disease worldwide, with 80-90 percent of infections being due to heterosexual intercourse.
6 98 percent of child molesters are straight males
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@dfz32343434dfdsfvsd1 I oppose the heterosexual lifestyle choice!
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
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Homosexuality is a virus? Jesus, religious nuts can be so fucking stubid. 
You can't catch homosexuality, dumbass !
RoyalOakDude 3 weeks ago
@apollowoman Homosexuality is not natural in all species. In fact it causes a great deal of damage which is why gay men end up needing a butt plug. The sphincter is a one-way valve-out. You also may want to go back to school and learn how to write a sentence.
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@themonkk1 this is patently FALSE> Gay men actually live healthier lives than do heterosexuals. Here's why:
1 we don't have abortions
2 we don't have teen pregnancy
3 we don't abuse women (one in four women is abused by a straight male, and one in five is raped)
4 we don't have unwanted or abandoned children
5 AIDS is currently a heterosexual disease worldwide, with 80-90 percent of infections being due to heterosexual intercourse.
6 98 percent of child molesters are straight males
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@lisztnut Of course you show up less on percentages. You are only 1.5% of the population (according to the American Psych Assoc) Gay men on sitcoms do live a healthier lifestyle, but I come across a lot of real world gay people. They have a lot of physical and mental health problems, as well as drug abuse. This, of course, is not all of them, but it is rampant in the gay community. Don't turn a blind eye to it just because you are in it. I accept there are a lot of jacked up 'Christians'.
themonkk1 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 where are you getting this idea that gay people have physical and mental health problems? I have lived in the gay communities in San Francisco and New York and I don't see it. As far as drugs goes, I don't see that it is any worse than the straight community> Also, I have never in all my years in those two cities seen a case of domestic abuse in a gay household. I have half a dozen female friends who were abused by men, one of them was hospitalized, it was so bad..
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 I recently read an article about gay suicides. The explanation made perfect sense to me, but might not make sense to you. It has been proven that gay teens don't commit suicide because of being unhappy about being gay, it's because of the prejudice and discrimination we face daily. In fact, most gay kids are so afraid to tell their parents about the bullying that they never do,for fear of being "discovered" as being gay, and fear of rejection. NOBODY to talk to about it.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 the range of the gay population is from about five to twenty percent, depending on who you talk to. Also, any stats I posted on here take "per capita" into consideration. A straight male is nearly 10 times more likely to molest a BOY when compared with a homosexual. Fact!
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
Good job, Girl!
MrRayBnz 1 month ago
@MrRayBnz praising bigotry could only come from a bigot themselves! Well done, bigot!
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
Gloryyyy to God. love It Love it !!! You gotta stand firm for the kingdom of God!!!! If God is against homosexual lifestyle so am I . Great Stand Julia !!!!!! Gloryyyyyy!!!! Yes!!!!
Radical stance for Christ Yes Yes Yes
rockn4jesus 1 month ago
@rockn4jesus What is the homosexuality"lifestyle?" I was born gay, and as far as I know my lifestyle doesn't differ from that of my heterosexual siblings, except I earn more money, have more education, I travel more and I have better sex more often.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@rockn4jesus I oppose the heterosexual lifestyle. It is destructive and unhealthy and contributes to:
1 abortion
2 teen pregnancy
3 abuse of women (one in four women is abused by a straight male, and one in five is raped)
4 unwanted children
5 overpopulation
6 gay bashing The "homosexual lifestyle" is healthier and more productive for society.
lisztnut 1 month ago
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It seems like Lacocacolaman has a lot of hate going toward Julea while demanding tolerance from her. She did not do anything offensive, and she actually gave the student a better shot at getting an understanding therapist. Step outside of your hatred of God for second and just look at this logically Lacocacolaman
themonkk1 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman...It seems like you have a lot of hate going toward Julea while demanding tolerance from her. She did not do anything offensive, and she actually gave the student a better shot at getting an understanding therapist. Step outside of your hatred of God for second and just look at this logically.
themonkk1 1 month ago
I'm so glad she won. This America you can't force your views down someone Else's throats. Screw the school and the teachers and the insane political correctness this country now preaches. People are so afraid of being labeled as a bigot, racist or homophone. If a person wants to be racist let them, they'll learn through education not indoctrination.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman Oh, brother, that IDIOT term again. "PC" is a vapid, empty, bullshit term used by bigots to defend their bigotry.
People aren't "afraid of being labeled" if they aren't racist or homophobic or bigoted. When they ARE, and someone objects, we get "oh, you're just being PC!" Thank God this empty-headed term wasn't around in MLK's day.
Let them be racist??
And what about their victims?? What about the rights of black people to NOT be discriminated against?
PrisonerNumber9653 1 month ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm not sure if you're familiar with America and its constitution. But In America if someone wants to be racist they can as long as they don't interfere with ones Rights. Lets say a racist person owns a hot dog cart and a white man wants a hot dog. the Black Hot dog cart guy can say, "sorry I don't serve your kind" It's the black mans right to decide who he sells his hot dogs too. Now if it's a public owned thing then yes the white man can get a hot dog
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman I'm not sure I understand your point, but I'm glad you support my decision as a college professor to refuse to teach Christian students. By the way< I teach at a Catholic university? Oops! I disagree with their lifestyle choice.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut College professor you don't seem to understand the principle of liberties. Is your catholic school funded by the public? because if it is then you cannot discriminate against anyone, everyone funds it! Now if you own the institution and it's funding comes from private sources Be a racist a bigot, refuse Christians! it's your money your school! why in the world would I want to even attend a place like that!? it's capitalism, the invisible hand of the market will fix the bigots
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman yes, but the school that this black bigot bitch was at was PUBLIC! Oops! She'll lose her case in the appellate level for sure, based on what you just said.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut LOL, I like how she's not some bigot but a "black" bigot :) Why are black bigots worst than white ones?
But yes I'm Libertarian, I hate wars, Racism, but it doesn't mean i'll force it upon people. If people allow me to have my views I'll let them have theirs. We have our Constitutional rights to protect us. But like I said it is a public school SO she's allowed to have her views and be protected under freedom of speech.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman am I brilliant or what? Although I'm a staunch socialist, I do appreciate certain aspects of Libertarian principles. Ron Paul rock on! However, I would add that she's certainly allowed to express bigotry, whether it be towards gays or white people, but she may NOT shirk her duties that the school required of her and expect them to roll over and grant her a diploma. She ignored what she was told to do, and thus doesn't quality for her degree. That's how I see it.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman by the way, you are implying that homosexuality is a lifestyle or choice, and science says otherwise. It's mightly offesensive to tell a gay person not to live a life as a gay person. You might as well be telling a black person not to live as a black person. Is that ridiculous or what?
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman I view homosexuals who live a "heterosexual lifestyle" as immoral. You?
lisztnut 1 month ago
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Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman BUT, as a requirement her degree, she did NOT follow through with it, and thus is not acting professionally. As an educator, I would have failed her, not merely dismissed her from the school as they did, By the way, I haven't even watched the video yet, because I just read this story elsewhere. My computer is on mute.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman my husband is a therpist, and he would certainly tell us that she acted unprofessionally, and thus shouldn't be in this profession. She should clean toilets at the local Baptist church, in my opinion. She's better suited for that.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut How is it unprofessional for her to say she can't counsel someone who in her mind is living an unhealthy life? She would counsel them but not in the way they would want. She said this. There's nothing wrong with her not feeling comfortable. professors all the time are respectful of their students beliefs, why not this one? Using your logic Gay students should fail christian classes if they refuse to write about why homosexuality is wrong in the bible.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman first off, she's WRONG about homosexuals living an unhealthy life, so if I were her suuperior I'd nnip that myth in the bud. In fact, the "heteorseuxa lifestyle" is FAR more unhealthy (AIDS, teen pregnancy, abuse of women, rape, unwanted children, abortion, etc). Secondly any mental health professional is taught that the REASON homosexuals seek counselling is to get help with the bigotry that this woman is displaying in the first place, cont'd.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut sexual perversion is unhealthy, just as ALL promiscuity is and aids illustrates that better than your lies deny it.
IamaFreeWillOffering 1 month ago
@IamaFreeWillOffering dumbass, the AIDS crises STARTED in the heterosexual community, and is currently primarily in YOUR community worldwide. Get a fucking clue.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@IamaFreeWillOffering only one problem: homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality and NOT a perversion. FAIL!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman actually, anyone who uses the bible to condemn homosexuality doesn't know their bible. So says Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut More lies from the liar.
IamaFreeWillOffering 1 month ago
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@IamaFreeWillOffering heterosexual intercourse is now responsible for 80-90% of all HIV transmissions worldwide. The current likelihood of male to female infection after a single exposure to HIV is 0.01-0.32%, and the current likelihood of female to male infection after a single exposure is 0.01-0.1%. These estimates are mostly derived from studies in the developed world. However, a man or a woman can become HIV-positive after just one sexual contact.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@IamaFreeWillOffering From the UK: Infections acquired heterosexually have accounted for the much of the rapid rise in the numbers of new HIV diagnoses (4,049 in 2005 compared to 840 in 1996). Since 1999 the number of new HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals have outnumbered those among gay and bisexual men.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman like I said, she shouldn't be granted her degree, nuimber one. Secondly, she's in the wrong profession. She should be a youth pastor or in some religious setting. She does NOT belong in the public forum, such as a counsellor, attempting to get a degree at a respected institution. A public school teacher in New Jesery was just fired for her anti-gay rants, and rightly so.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut Perverts won't listen to good advice even though they know they're filled with perverted lust, but they want to tell everyone who is normal how they should live.
Get real.
IamaFreeWillOffering 1 month ago
@IamaFreeWillOffering I'm no pervert. I'm gay, remember? I don't molest children, that's what straight men do. Get real
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman I have a private piano student, who is a psychiatrist. I have another friend (concidentally black) who is struggling with his religion vs his sexual orientation. I referred this friend to my student. Guess what happened? The psychiatrist said he couldn't work with my friend, because people who have this struggle usually never come to terms with it, and it's too much work. HOWEVER, this girl is getting a DEGREE, and didn't do what was required to get the degree; FAIL!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman there was a time here in California when landlords were granted the right to refuse housing to blacks. It was called Prop 14 in the 1960s. Would you have supported this law? It passed with 67 perrcent of the vote, and Ronald Reagan supported it. He said "if a landlord wants to refuse housing to a NEGRO (his word), it is his right to do so." Prop 14 was invalidated two years later, just as Prop 8 will be.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut yeah it's sad but it's called being a tyrant when you force people to do things they don't want to do....
I prefer education over indoctrination and force. I'm also curious as to where the bible supports homosexuality? pretty weird doctrine, i read it and never ran into that. Keep in mind there's lots of sins and I don't like supporting any even the ones I do. I don't condemn sinners because i'm not free from it but I also hate when people support it.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman I'm not sure I understand what you're saying regarding the bible "supporting" homosexuality. I don't know anywhere in the bible where heterosexuality is "supported" either. I know for a fact that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in a negative light, and those who did mention it were known homophobes, such as the apostle Paul. Also, don't forget that the word "abomination" has been completely misunderstood. It is NOT a condemnation. Cont'd
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut Um Maybe the Christians are right when reading the bible... You do know the old testament condemns it? Leviticus 18:22, Jesus didn't need to say it all the jews new it was against Gods will. Now im not saying it's the worst sin, but the OT is clearly against it and Jesus was a jew, Jesus never mentions anything about beastiality, so does that make it ok then!? I seriously doubt it. this line of argument is seriously flawed Biblically.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman you didn't even read what I wrote previously, did you? I said that Leviticus is irrelevant because "abomination" doesnt' mean condemnation. FAIL!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut How old are you to be saying "FAIL" hahaha. Well I brought it up as a point that if christians use that weak argument to defend homosexuality they must do the same with adultery, Beastiality and child sacrifice.JESUS NEVER MENTIONED THOSE!!! SO it must be ok. Come on Leviticus 20:13 condemns homosexuals to death! I'm sorry no imagination can fix it. clearly the disciples of JESUS knew the sins involved with it to say they're homophobes and making things up is idiotic.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman sorry, but you cannot compare beastiality and child sacrifice to homosexuality. That's insulting to my intelligence.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman the bible also instructs a parent to stone to death a child who "curseth" him, does it not? It also says that a bride must be stoned to death if she's not a virgin on her wedding night. So much for following this "word of god!"
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman If you'd like I can send you a list of all the bible passages that refer to homosexaulity, and show you how they've been misinterpreted. It's from this website: religioustolerance org. It's a Canadian site. I always trust Canadians more than Americans when it comes to these issues, because they're usually more intelligent and informed.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut CONT. Mormons and Catholics views are messed up but just because they're wrong about several issues doesn't make everything else wrong. I'm against Homosexuality for many reasons but two consenting adults can marry i don't care... But This girl should have the right to also not want to counsil homosexuals.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman how can you be "against" homosexuality? That's stupid. It's like saying you're against left handedness. I don't need your approval to exist, nor does any other gay person. We're here, and nothing you can do about it, is there? It doesnt' require your approval. SImple.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman that's one of the first mistakes that ignorant Christian fundamentlists make. You must remember that "abominations" include cutting your hair, wearing mixed fabrics, eating shrimp and having mixed crops in the same field. Therefore, placing homosexuality in that context should make it clear that the bible doesn't consider it a sin. During biblical times the ONLY interest was building up the members of the church, so homosexuality was DISCOURAGED.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut You're on the wrong thread, pervert. All your lies will never change the truth.
You lie and hate and call others "haters." You're the biggest hypocrite on this thread.
IamaFreeWillOffering 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman similarly in today's world we see that the most virulent opponents of gay marriage are the Mormons and Catholic church (not Catholics themselves, just the leaders of the church. Catholics in America support marriage equality.) The reason these two groups oppose it are somewhat different. Mormons have ONE interest only, and that's building their membership. That's why they solicit door to door and go on mission work. Catholics are against ANY sex not involving procreation.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman Perv lisztnut, references a LOT of Scriptures to harangue against God's Word but the perv deliberately left out the ones condemning his perversion.
Not surprising for a liar to do that, though. Liars don't like to either tell the truth or even allow others to speak it.
IamaFreeWillOffering 1 month ago
@lisztnut Sexual perverts like to reference blacks in their pretense that you have the same issue, but the blacks don't buy your lie. They KNOW they were born black and they also KNOW you're perverted because you want to be.
"Born that way"? Really? While heterosexuals don't enter puberty until they approach their teenage years, you expect us to believe that you were born wanting a penis in your mouth instead of a breast!
I think you're incredibly stupid to think we're that stupid.
IamaFreeWillOffering 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman You won't get anywhere trying to get a sexual pervert to deal reasonably, rationally or honestly. It took them years of continually lying to themselves to sear their consciences so much that they're no longer ashamed of being perverted. Why would you think they would suddenly start listening to reason now?
It's a lost cause.
When a sexual pervert on YT gets the slightest pang of conscience, since you're not in his presence, he can turn you off quickly and easily.
IamaFreeWillOffering 1 month ago
@IamaFreeWillOffering I"m no pervert, moron. Fucking asshole.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@IamaFreeWillOffering I have lied to NOBODY. I am PROUD of who I am and I don't need the approval of an idiot like you, that's for DAMN sure! Have you forgotten so quickly that gay men outperfom you in life?
lisztnut 1 month ago
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@IamaFreeWillOffering From the UK: Infections acquired heterosexually have accounted for the much of the rapid rise in the numbers of new HIV diagnoses (4,049 in 2005 compared to 840 in 1996). Since 1999 the number of new HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals have outnumbered those among gay and bisexual men.
lisztnut 1 month ago
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@IamaFreeWillOffering heterosexual intercourse is now responsible for 80-90% of all HIV transmissions worldwide. The current likelihood of male to female infection after a single exposure to HIV is 0.01-0.32%, and the current likelihood of female to male infection after a single exposure is 0.01-0.1%. These estimates are mostly derived from studies in the developed world. However, a man or a woman can become HIV-positive after just one sexual contact.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@IamaFreeWillOffering The National Library of Medicine pubs confirm that sexual orientation is natural, biologically induced in the first trimester of pregnancy, morally neutral, immutable, neither contagious nor learned, bearing no relation to an individuals ability to form deep and lasting relationships, to parent children, to work or to contribute to society. From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut APA had a lot of pressure from the homosexual movement to remove it as a mental illness. Just because someone votes it normal doesn't make it so. The army just made it legal for soldiers to comit beastiality it doesn't mean it's ok. Now keep in mind as a christian I'm not out to "get" people who are attracted to the same sex. I have lots of sins of my own to deal with to point out others but my point of all this is that this girl did nothing wrong. Rape is also natural...
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@IamaFreeWillOffering The thing is I have my own sins to deal with and I hate judging others for theirs but I also hate watching support for SIN. It is a lost cause in a sense but you never know maybe one sane individual will read this and learn something. But from personal experience people get so emotional and throw logic out the window and it clearly becomes a lost cause. You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make them think.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman here's the deal: homosexuality isn't a sin. It's a sexual orientation, which is equal to one's gender or race. Who made homosexuality a sin? It was the people who misinterpreted the bible, that's who.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman here's the problem I have with bible folks. First off, there is certainly no consensus among Christians about what constitutes a sin. Ifyou ask 100 Christians about what is a sin, you'll get 100 answer, correct? There is no concrete list of sins which they all follow. Some Christians actually think it's OK to own a gun, and yet the bible specifically mentions killing in the ten commandments. Why do they ignore this?
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut uh... yeah there is, Sin is going against Gods will. If God tells you to jump and you sit it's sinning against God. Pretty simple, Like I said I can compare beastiality to homosexuality because the logic you used to defend homosexuality can be used exactly the same with child sacrifices and ect. Seriously I know Canadians who agree that homosexuality is a sin.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman I'm sure you know Canadians who are misinformed. Im just saying that they are,in general, more thoughtful and less brainwashed. As a rule, Canadians Aare FAR less religious, as well. They are a secular society, and I've alway sadmired them more than Americans. By the way, your arugment is compeltely falwed, because I'm not conceding that homosexulzity is a sin.. Some very prominent theologians disagree with that premise.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut CONT. OK you're not familiar at all with christianity only the little you read. Well Jesus came and fulfilled a lot of the mosiac law us Christians don't follow those laws. Jesus told us not to stone the sinner if other do they're not reading the bible. Lots of christians don't read the bible. Also some people like to confuse and lie to christians... kind of like the stuff you're saying. You wont defend child sacrifice using that flawed logic but you'll defend homosexuality.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman I read the bible cover to cover at 14, as I may have told you, and that's why I outright reject Christianity. It was this experience, not my homosexaul orientaiton, or what the bible does and doesn't say about it, that caused me to reject it.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut say no more! I found out your lack of understanding of the bible you read it when you were 14. You need to read it as an adult.
What are you talking about?! leviticus 20 isn't talking about rituals! seriously you need to read it. You're way wrong and I want to meet the people who taught you this because I'd want to put them in their place for doing this to you. When you read it it says nothing about rituals... It's God speaking to moses on what to do about the laws.
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman here's the website which says that the Leviticus 20 verse is about rituals: religioustolerance org. I'll think you're LEARN something.  And, are you seriously trying to tell me the bible is NOT subjective? WTF? Why are there so many Christian sects if it's absolute? That's a DUMB comment!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut see that's your problem I could humiliate these guys in person but i'd never get the chance.. sadly. But read it for yourself it's so simple no need to get some fools to interpret something that needs no interpretation. it's a simple passage. READ IT please... i'm going to bed goodnight. When you read it be sure to point out where it talks about rituals
Lacocacolaman 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman sorry, dude, but it wasn't MY interpretation, rather that of leading theologians, who have spent their lives studying this. I wouldn't be the one to debate them, if I were you. Good night!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@Lacocacolaman I thought in the bible context was everything> am I wrong?
lisztnut 1 month ago
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shootertx51 1 month ago
@lisztnut
I have a Masters of Divinity & have done all coursework for a Ph.D. so I would be perfectly capable of answering your objections to the Bible & Christianity at length but would prefer to do so via Personal Messages so as not to clog up this board. You seen to be interested in actually debating instead of just mocking and ridiculing, as so many do. In fact, I'm a converted former Evolutionist who came to realize that it is not a scientific theory, it is an anti-theistic "faith".
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er whilst I appreciate your civility in this debate, I have to say you have as much chance at convincing me that the bible is accurate about ANYTHING, as you have at showing me that pigs can fly. Sorry, it is not a leap of "faith" to think that humans were "created" 6000 years ago, that's denying simple scientific evidence. That I won't do... Have a nice day!
lisztnut 1 month ago
I believe in a relatively young earth, but well over 6000 yrs. U begin by rejecting the possibility of supernatural Creation. This is an unprovable & untestable belief just as much as our belief of the existence of The God of the Bible. U merely assume that only the natural forces we observe today can be used to explain what we see today. But this is an unwarranted assumption even from a naturalistic standpoint. After all, how do u know that we fully understand the relevant natural forces?
cda76er 1 month ago
@lisztnut
One more thought. If The God of the Bible exists, then nothing that the Bible says that He has done is either impossible or unjust. Your problem with the Bible is really that u assume that the God it describes cannot exist. This is a false assumption which is driven by the natural tendency to suppress the knowledge of God that all of us inevitably have. U need to realize this, as I did 30 years ago. What you think is the worst thing you could do is actually the best. God bless.
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er incidentally, most Christian scientists acknowledge that evolution happened. It is no longer in doubt. Where do you get this notion that it is debatable? Even the Catholic church acknowledges that it happened and the story fo Adam and Eve is a metaphor and not to be taken literally. You seem intelligent. Why haven't you figured that out? The Catholic church also acknowledges that people are BORN gay, and that the big bang happened.
lisztnut 1 month ago
There are many Christian scientists who deny that Evolutionism adequately explains the universe. There are about 200 listed on the Answers in Genesis website (along with an archive of articles that could be helpful to you, if you are truly open-minded). And u r simply wrong about the Catholic Church (officially). But it doesn't matter who believes what. What matters is what is true. There's no evidence that people are born homosexual, but, even if they were it still wouldn't make it right.
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er you enjoy living your life in denial of reality, don't you? You siaid there is no evidence that people are born homosexaul? That happens to be completely 100 percent FALSE. There is overwhelming evidence in the biology of sexual orientation. 1 a Swedish brian study in 2008 confirmed that the brains of striaghts and gays were differently shaped 2 the sense of smell of gays and straights differs 3 penis size difers by sexual orientation
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er will you please STOP going around and saying statements that are patently FALSE?  Science has more than enough evidence that gay people are born gay, and straights are born straight, you just didn't hear about it in your Sunday school. I refer you to this pdf file: The Science of Sexual Orientaiton, liberty educationforum org In fact, scientists are pretty confident now that environment plays virtually NO role in the formation of sexual orientation, which means it is biological.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er the same Swedish scientists who discovered the brain differences between straights and gays claim that they can predict sexual orientation BEFORE birth. I'm sorry you are so ignroant and have never heard of this before, but that shows that the world is an ignorant place where religious dogma can surpress scientific knowledge. Sad, but true. By the way, the genetic component in homosexuality is quite strong, stronger in fact than left handedness.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut
There have also been studies showing genetic factors in alcoholism. Does this make this a good thing? I agree that "religious dogma can suppress scientific knowledge". But what you don't realize is that this can go both ways. We argue that it is the anti-theistic dogma of the dominant Scientific establishment that suppresses the discoveries of Intelligent Design scientists, which are arrived at by exactly the same methods. I also appreciate your willingness to present arguments.
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er again: OFFENSIVE to compare alcoholism, which is a disease, to homosexuality which is NOT! A more apt comparison would be to compare gender to sexual orientation. I'm pretty sure the brains of alcoholics are not differently shaped from non-alcoholics.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut
I believe some studies have shown brain differences in alcoholics. As for offensiveness, this works both ways: Christians are constantly offended by things that non-Christians do and say (like terrorists who claim to be doing God's work or people who blaspheme against our God). We accept this reality and seek to forgive, tolerate and even love our enemies. The problem is that, increasingly, the anti-Christian side is not willing to do the same and tolerate our religious freedom.
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er alcoholicism is to homosexuality what drug addiction is to heterosexuality. How's that? The mere fact that you'd mention sexual orientation in the same breathe as alocoholism is not only offensive, it's illogical. To my mind the closest analogy to sexual orientation is handedness. Nobody makes a "choice" to be right or left handed. We are innately one or the other. Does it mean that a left handed person can "mimick" right handed behavior? YES!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er I agree that terrorists have given religious fundamentalists a bad name, but how are they any different from the Mormons and Catholic church who successfully removed MY civil rights at the ballot box? I view that as a form of terrorism as well, and it's far more incidious, because losing the right to marry will affect the rest of the lives for most gay people. Sorry, but I'm frankly fucking tired of hearing Christians make the claim to be victims in that light.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er here in California there were EXTREMELY offensive commercials during the Prop 8 campaign which made completely specious claims. These included the bullshit that gay marriage would be "taught" in schools. That nonsense was made up by those AGAINST gay marriage, not for it. We have NO interest in teaching kids about marriage. BULLSHIT! Secondly, they said that religious "freedoms' would be lost when gays would marry? EXCUSE me? HOW are religious groups EVER required to marry ANYONE?
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er are Jews required to marry Christians, or Buddhists required to marry Jews? Then how in the HELL would a church EVER be required to marry a gay couple? Explain that one please. Churches have ALWAYS had the right to marry anyone they please, and never face any legal recourse. That's a protected right, and always has been. My father won't marry any couple if a partner has been previously divorced. It's his right to refuse them, too.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er another way the religious right claimed to be victims of gay marriage was the claim that children would somehow come home from school one day and tell their mommy that they were gay, as IF you can 'learn" to be gay. It doesn't work that way. Sexual orientaiton isn't contagious and cannot be taught. It that were the case there would be no gay people because every human is INDOCTRINATED in heterosexuality. Gay people DO NOT RECRUIT! That's a myth.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er then they showed tis offensive commercial where a group of young students was supposedly "forced" to attend the wedding of their lesbian teacher. Now, do you know ANY school that would require students to attend their teacher's wedding? HELL NO! That was absurd. They showed the kids faces as if they were scared of this situation, and that "the gays' represented a threat to them. I was mad as fucking hell, and people bought that nonsense.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er the method of the religious right has been to demonize gay people (in fact YOU'VE done that on this very site). It was a similar method that the Nazis and KKK used. If you make people afraid of the minority, then who in their right mind would support their civil rights? The Nazis told people that Jews "stole' children, and the KKK told people that all black men raped white women. Guess what? It WORKED! Similarly, the religious right says gays will "RECRUIT" their kids. BULLSHIT!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er gay people believe what science teaches us, which is that sexual orientaiton is innate, and cannot be changed. The notion of "recruitting' kids is completely counter to what every gay person knows innately, which is we cannot change our orientation. Therefore, the very idea of "changing" someone's orientation or "teaching" a kid to be gay is beyond absurd.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut
We believe that you have bought into several falsities - that Science has proven that sexual orientation is innate and can't be changed. The former has not been conclusively established and the latter is contradicted by the testimony of multitudes of men and (especially) women who formerly lived as homosexuals and were able to become faithful hetero's. In fact, many men who believe they are homosexual have demonstrated the ability to perform with women, but simply prefer men. . .
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er I don't have same sex "impulses." Homosexual is part of who I am, just as I'm male. I'm pretty sure I don't have "impulses" to be male. DUH! DO you THINK?
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er sorry, but you are working under the misconception that sexual behavior and sexual orientation are the same thing. When a person makes a conscious choice to ignore their sexual orientation and behave as the opposite orientation they do NOT change their orientation. Do you know about "gay for pay?" These are straight guys who have gay sex for money in the porn industry. Just because they have sex with the same sex, does NOT make them homosexual. Got it? Use your BRAIN!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er My life experience has taught me that there is no reason I would WAN to be straight. In fact, I see it as a huge advantage to be gay. Now, that must terribly disappoint you that I'm so well adjusted and happy being gay, right? You want me to be miserable, and here I am, a happy, healthy, productive, and VERY successful homosexual, who views heterosexuality as a disadvantage. LOL! I'm your worst nightmare.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er "Falsities" isn't a word, is it?
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er have you actually read what the "ex-gay" movement says about sexual orientation? They acknowledge that people can't change their orientation, and in fact the founder of Exodus international eventually left the organization because he fell in love with another man. He admitted that the whole thing is a farce. A human being CANNOT change their sexual orientation. Yes, there are more women who are bisexual than men, but no human has successfully changed their orientation.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er have you actually read what the "ex-gay" movement says about sexual orientation? They acknowledge that people can't change their orientation, and in fact the founder of Exodus international eventually left the organization because he fell in love with another man. He admitted that the whole thing is a farce.  A human being CANNOT change their sexual orientation. Yes, there are more women who are bisexual than men, but no human has successfully changed their orientation.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er you don't even need to listen to what I have to say about the ex-gay movement, you can read the testimonies of actual Christian gays who attempted to go through the ex-gay programs, and it didn't work for them:
beyondexgay com, and exgaywatch com
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut
Let's not play the numbers game. I can provide plenty of examples that the Exodus approach can be successful, otherwise the ministry wouldn't exist. If u r so close-minded as to deny this then u r a very poor academic. It is an undeniable reality that most people can develop heterosexual relationships (e.g. men with families who turn to a homosexual lifestyle). Many simply choose homosexual ones because it is easier for them or more pleasureable, but this doesn't make it right.
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er please provide EVIDENCE that people in Exodus have CHANGED their sexual orientation. There is NO proof of that, I guarantee it. They don't even make that claim. Go on their website and read for yourself. What Exodus Int does is frankly close to criminal behavior. It is basically asking people to LIE about who they are. They might as well be telling boys that if they dress like a girl and act like a girl, it will make them a girl. Doesn't work that way.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er once again, I refer you to this website for education about why Exodus doesn't work: beyondexgay com You can no more "pray away your gay" then you can pray away your skin color or gender.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er Science is a search for truth. Faith is pretending you've found it. (I made that up this morning. Pretty good if you ask me.)
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er I once again refer you to what the EXPERTS have to say about this topic: "Human beings cannot choose to be straight or gay. Human beings cannot change their sexual orientation voluntarily." The American Psychological Association
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er once again the word "lifestyle" in reference to homosexuality is offensive, and not supported by science. You cannot say I live a homosexual "lifestyle" and that you are a heterosexual. It doesn't work that way. It would be like saying there is a "female lifestyle" but men are born male. Whenever someone uses the term "lifestyle" in reference to gay people it automatically means: BIGOT TALKING!
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er the word "lifestyle' in reference to homosexuality was coined in order for the religious right to bash gay people, and place us in a "different' category from heterosexuals. I don't live a "lifestyle" based on my sexual orientation and neither do you.. It's obvious. It's like saying "you people' in reference to blacks, as if they aren't like you and me. Name ONE aspect of my lifestyle that differs from yours other than the gender of my spouse.
lisztnut 1 month ago
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@cda76er the word "lifestyle' in reference to homosexuality was coined in order for the religious right to bash gay people, and place us in a "different' category from heterosexuals. I don't live a "lifestyle" based on my sexual orientation and neither do you.. It's obvious. It's like saying "you people' in reference to blacks, as if they aren't like you and me. Name ONE aspect of my lifestyle that differs from yours other than the gender of my spouse.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er I would venture to say that my lifestyle is more healthy than yours. I am immune from abortion, teen pregnancy, unwanted children and abuse of women. I also am far physically healthier than heterosexuals in my age category.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er by the way, the APA is absolutely crystal clear on this: "human beings cannot change their sexual orientation voluntarily. There is no evidence of the efficacy of the reparative therapy to change one's orientation. In fact, they do more harm than good. We do not support any efforts to change sexual orientation."
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut cont.
Secondly, our objection to the encouragement of young people to pursue their same-sex impulses has nothing to do with recruitment (though some on our side are admittedly confused on this point).  Our problem is that it pushes conscientious young people who have experienced same-sex impulses to act against what their consciences are saying inside, leading to confusion, fear, alienation, depression, despair and suicide, in some cases. . .
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er by the way, the increase of violence against gays when we gain our civil rights is no surprrise at all. The KKK did the same thing when blacks were gaining their rights. We will NOT allow this to deter us from our mission of completely and 1000 percent EQUALITY in the law. Nice try, though, but you fuckers do NOT intimidate us. NO FUCKING WAY! I happen to be physically very strong as well, having worked out for the past twenty years three times a week.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut
Do you really want to go to war for your supposed "equality"? I don't. Tolerance and "rights" go two ways. Your claim of rights cannot trump mine. I am working to make the Church more tolerant and, ultimately, loving toward homosexuals. At the same time, your side must respect our deeply-held conviction that it is sinful and not try to force us to endorse and support your practices, which are offensive to us. You simply cannot force us to "celebrate" and support your sexuality.
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er do you know that the anti-gay violence increased in the Netherlands when gays got their equal right to marry? This is no surprise, and it actually validates my point.  Heterosexuals are collectively insecure morons. Are you proud? LOL! There is a touching youtube video from a straight man who basically apologizes to the gay community for the fact that we've been treated badly by heterosexuals. Here it is: I Hate Gay Pride, by grumpychuck.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut
"Heterosexuals are collectively insecure morons." This shows your own arrogance and bigotry (along with your other hateful statements). In this area more than any other I find people like you who are massively hypocritical - Not only are you doing what you accuse us of doing (namely, hating those who have different beliefs), but you even do it to people who try to reach out in love to you (like me or Exodus Int'l.). I have said nothing hateful, simply that homosexuals are wrong.
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er can you show me evidence that the anti-gay marriage vote was NOT motivated by insecurity and the perception that heterosexuals were being "threatened" by gay people? It was in your TV commercials as plain as day. The Prop 8 trial illustrated this beautifully. The Judge determined that the TV ads were meant to scare people into thinking that gay people were going to "make" children gay, as IF that were possible.
lisztnut 1 month ago
The only hope for peace is for both sides to tolerate the opposing positions (that is, recognize the right to think differently), not to impose our view. No matter how strongly you disagree, pro-LGBT'ers must realize & respect that we see you heading for disaster if you continue in a homosexual lifestyle (both in this world & in the Final Judgment). We can't really stop you if u r determined to continue, but (from our perspective) we would be negligent if we didn't try to appeal to you to stop
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er I was BORN with my sexual orietanion, which is homosexual. My "lifestyle' is marriage. I assume you don't object to one person dedicating their lives to another in matrimony? I can't stop being male, either. What is your point? I can no longer stop being gay then I can stop being male or Caucasian. Science agrees with me on that, so does the Catholic church.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er I have assumed all along you are female. Am I right? If so, can you put yourself in my shoes. Imagine getting into a relationship with a woman. Will this "make" you gay, or do you think you'd still be attracted to men? Please answer my question.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er the Catholic church acknowledges that sexual orientation is innate and immutable. They say that for a gay person to "pretend' to be straight is unhealthy and immoral. I completely agree with that> Where they go off the mark is to tell gay people that they must remain in a life of celibacy. Look what this does to their priests. Its turns them into pedophiles. Is that what you would advocate? Now, you have never given ANY proof that sexual orientation can be changed.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er I'll remind you that groups like Exodus International do not even make the claim to change sexual orientation. They merely dupe gay people into thinking they've changed when they get into fake heterosexual relationships. That would no more work for gays than it would work for straights. If you think having sex with another woman would make you gay, think again.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er can you sit here and honestly tell me that animus towards gays was not the motivating factor behind Prop 8? Seriously? Get a CLUE! Did you see any Prop 8 commercials?
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er tell me one reason I should "tolerate" your bigotry towards me. Should blacks have "tolerated' whites when we didn't allow them into our schools? HELL NO!!!!!! I no longer need to tolerate your bigotry than they did.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er look, I 'tolerate" your religious beliefs, if you want to think that homosexuality is a sin, who is stopping you? I draw the line when you use the LAW to remove my civil rights because of your religious beliefs. If we as a society allow Athiests to marry, then your whole point about marriage being a religious institution is null and void. There were no gods invited to my wedding, that's for sure.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@cda76er Also, don't forget that ":god" has been marrying gay couples for decades already. If you deny this, you are offending these church groups: the California Council of Churches, Evangelical Lutheran Church, Unitarian Church, Church of Christ, and the Swedish Lutheran Church (the largest church in Sweden). Hell, there was a Baptist church that actively solicited gay couples to marry here in California! They put out an ad in the gay newspapers.
lisztnut 1 month ago
@lisztnut The authority for a Christian is not the 'Church' but the Bible. Thanks for advising on 'lifestyle' being offensive to you. I did not know that, and I would not want to unnecessarily offend anyone. You are not a Christian so I have no problem with you doing whatever you want to do. You, on the other hand, may want to avoid telling Christians what they should or shouldn't believe. I also don't believe you tolerate religious beliefs. Julea did nothing wrong and yet you rant.
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@themonkk1 my father's an Evangelical minister so I do NOT hate Christians. If feel sorry for you. NEWSFLASH, the following bible accounts are myths, and did NOT happen:
1 Adam and Eve were "created" 6000 years ago. Humans were on earth 1.4 million years prior to that.
2 Jesus' mommy couldn't have been a virgin. NOT possible.
3 snakes can't talk, yet your bible says they can.
4 no human has lived 900 years, despite what your bible says. You've just been educated!
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 homosexuality is no more a moral issue than is left handedness or red hair. Just because people are the minority orientation does NOT make it wrong. And, incidentally, since I'm educating you, I'll inform you that the word "abomination" is NOT a condemnation. If it were, then eating shrimp, touching a menstruating woman, wearing mixed fabrics, and sleeping in a bed where semen has been spilled are also sins. Oops! Hypocrite much?
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 Julea absolutely did something wrong. As a college educator, I would have FAILED her for not obeying the terms of her program. She has no more business being granted a degree than if she hadn't done her coursework.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 And, let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say I go to Bob Jones University and I think that interracial marriage is a sin (the bible can easily be used to support the notion that interracial marriage is wrong, just ask for the verses). Let's say that Julea was in an interracial marriage. Should I be allowed to refuse to council her and her husband if he is white, based on this belief? I say NO, and the same should be true of gay couples.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 Here's the deal, you Christians use your beliefs to make laws which discriminate against ME. I have never advocated, nor will advocate for the removal of your civil rights because of MY beliefs. That's immoral. So, for you people to use this belief system to oppress ME, I will NOT sit by and take it. I will RUN to those "activist" liberal" courts who've always assisted minorities when it comes to the oppression by the majority.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 "I am against amendments banning gay marriage. They are nothing short of gay bashing. I believe Martin would have supported gay marriage, as he always said that an injustice to one group is an injustice to all." Coretta Scott King So, I have a justifiable chip on my shoulder against you people. Sorry, but I have GOOD reason to have it. Leave the law the fuck alone, deal or no deal? If we are granted our civil rights, you need to STOP your immoral behavior.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@themonkk1 I also find it remarkable that a person of "color" would join the Christian agenda in the first place. Let's remember that the KKK was a Christian organization, and still is to this day. More specifically, you cannot join it unless you are white and Protestant.
lisztnut 4 weeks ago
@cda76er can you provide a link that shows that the new gay education bill in California includes teaching about gay marriage?
lisztnut 1 month ago
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