Emma 1x04 Clip 2-Mr Knightley scolds Emma

[joystixxify]

his first 'badly done!' always makes me smile. sounds like hes scolding a dog lol

[serenity0324]

Just had to see this clip today. Similar to what happened to me and my best guy friend awhile ago...ugh so embarrassing to be scolded.

[KeepPortlandWierd]

i must say, this is the very moment i fell in love with mr.knightley. such a great guy!

[MusicalMaiden92]

I cry at this scene every time I see it and read it. I can relate to Emma. A mistake and everyone is scolding you. Though it was a bad thing done on her part, I understand Emma which is why I cry at this scene...

[bhanshee75]

THAT WAS HORRIBLE. For starters: The scene is set in near the carriage. The WHOLE point of this bit is that Knightley scolds her, and she turns away when she starts to tear up, he thinks she's sulking, but she really cares and just when she's about to apologise the carriage moves away.

THAT. WAS. BAD! Kiera Knightley screwed up Pride and Prejudice but wasn't satisfied. If you ask me, people should stop making these if they are going to pay no attention to the book or time!

[Damilicious1]

Badly Done Emma, Badly done indeed! lol!!

[elizab3th23]

forgive me for sounding so stupid but english is my second language...can anybody help me understand what emma meant when she said "Ah! ma'am, but there may be a difficulty. Pardon me, but you will be limited as to number -- only three at once."...

i thought she meant miss bates would have difficulty w/ d game bcoz she talks too much and she's only allowed 3 words? am i wrong? please help...thanks ^_^

[hilaryrules91]

@elizab3th23 You've got it right :) That's exactly what it means

[elizab3th23]

thank you! and thanks even more for posting these clips ^_^...Johnny Lee Miller is so perfect as Mr. Knightley...hehehe

[EdithBiggle]

@elizab3th23 She is referring to limiting herself to saying only 3 dull things implying that Miss Bates is tedious.

[kadoo430]

@elizab3th23

mr. churchill asks the group to come up with either: 1 very clever thing to say, 2 moderately clever things, or 3 very dull things. miss bates says that she would do very well at this game because she can say 3 dull things as soon as she opens her mouth. then emma says, yes but it will be very difficult for you since you are limited to ONLY three things. it's a horribly embarassing insult to miss bates since emma is pretty much saying she's the most boring person ever.

[scrambledpenis]

@kadoo430 i dont blame her!

[xchaz66x]

@elizab3th23 Yes she is only allowed to say 3 dull things, no more.

[sarah4hp]

@elizab3th23 She means that it will be hard for Miss Bates because she will only be allowed to tell three boring things according to the rules of the game. A really cruel thing to say, which is why Mr. Knightley scolds her rather harshly for her actions.

[Nosgorath]

@elizab3th23

No, you actually got it wrong. The game was about saying either 1 very clever thing, 2 ordinary things or 3 dull/boring/stupid things.

Then Miss Bates told something like it won't be hard for her to say 3 silly things,

Emma then told her that she might be having a hard time to tell only 3 stupid things (referring to the fact that she does speak only dull things all the time - it was a direct and a very insulting thing to say.)

[hilaryrules91]

I want her dresssss!

[vivascargill]

@hilaryrules91 I'd buy them for you if I had the money! great clip!!

[KatiRaAliesse]

@hilaryrules91 i so totally want it too

[roothie]

@hilaryrules91 i agree!

[vivascargill]

@molly well not entirely remember it is done under churchill's influence--she never proposes the game churchill is the real source and Knightly actually courts her by scoldjng her

[mollymoon565]

Aww no matter how sad this makes me Emma did very much deserve what Mr. Knightley said :S.

[vivascargill]

@mollymoon565 Emma is great because she makes mistakes and has the capacity for sorrow! the word in the book is "contrition"

and Knightly whom admire greatly is nastier her to her than need be because of his jealousy of Frank Churchill yes emma deserved it but emma has conscience a small voice telling her her sins--and sin is the word she uses. Emma has been a splendid woman from page one 'faultless in spite of all her faults' Frank Churchill is a nasty piece of work. i'd marry miss bates.

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill Lol about Miss. Bates. But I don't think Knightley is nasty to her because he's jealous. He always did that, because they were so close. It's part of their relationship. :) I agree too, though, Churchill is evil...

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 I really do like Miss Bates! I am checking in the book because I think Mr. Knightly admits he was jealous of Churchill. You know I kind of think Knightly's scolding is his form of courtship!! (he does admit he has been a bad suitor) But in the book I cannot remember him getting this angry--even about Robert Martin--as for Churchill he is the Willoughby Whickam type only smarter. Evil? no but I sure don't like him BTW do you find Jane F a bit boring?

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill Mr. Knightley does say he's jealous of Churchill before he proposes to Emma. He's referring to Emma liking Churchill (or so he thinks!) and that Churchill is getting married etc. I'm not sure about what you said about Knightley's scolding being his courtship, he does get that angry. In the case of Wickham, he WAS evil. Everything he did was revenge/out of spite. Willoughby was just a womanizer. Churchill wasn't like them - he liked Jane and married her to prove it. She is boring.

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 Well his scolding as courtship was just a thought but he does say in the book that he had loved her since she was thirteen. So his scolding perhaps starts out as a paternal affection--I think Mr. Knightly is in many ways a shy man--and does not --perhaps to his credit-- have the glib courtship vocabulary but I wouldn't push it. I disagree about Whickam--he is too much a cardboard character compared to Willoughby who I find really malignantly seductive.

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill I disagree about Knightley, he seems to me to be a very out-spoken, confident person. But, as he says himself, he "doesn't make speeches", so I can see where you'd get that. If you're thinking he's shy about Emma... maybe, but they seem to flirt quite a bit. I still think Wickham's evil. He tries to ruin Georgiana because Darcy wouldn't give him more money! Willoughby, though, I think you're right about - note: 'malignantly seductive' would probably imply womanization. :)

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 Knightly is outspoken I agree but inwardly shy he's loved her so long and been afraid to say anything! You are right about Wickham but I meant he is not fully developed as a character the way Willoughby is--remember Marriane almost dies because of Willoughby AND Willoughby's letter (or meeting) with Elinor is so manipulative that it almost persuades her that he's a good guy" (always left out of the films) What are Marriane and Willoughby reading--in the book Hamlet. tbc

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 I was saying Marianne and Willoughby are reading Hamlet in the novel (they always change that) and we all know what happened to Ophelia (in fact there were a lot of women suicides in the 1790's) but check out Willoughby's temptation of Elinor at the end of the novel--personally I don't think Wickham has enough upstairs to do that--I guess I think JA put more effort into Willoughby than Wickham but what do I know?

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill Wickham isnt fully developed because he isn't one of the main characters, although he may not be quite as smart as Willoughby, Wickham can definitely think on his feet. In the book, Wickham thinks up a story when himself and Elizabeth take a turn in the park. (When Lizzy starts to question him). But, I'm agreed that Willoughby is much more clever. He is convincing, whereas you can see straight through Wickham's lies (when he thinks on the spot, anyway). TBC. (hard to fit the words)

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 re Willoughby and Wickham Yes I agree completely (I think Austen agreed--I get the sense from her letters that P@P was "not quite the thing" I can only say I'd die a happy man could I write a novel that was "not quite the thing" in Austen's estimation!!

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 oh for a real howler watch the 1941 Olivier Greer Garson version--it makes the Kneightly film seem great! I think they used left over costumes from Gone With the Wind --you will laugh at it--not with it

tbc

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill Wooooah. I disagree! I think Lawrence Olivier did a pretty go job as Darcy, although Garson didn't quite capture Elizabeth. It wasn't as good as the Colin Firth version, but I think it really has the manners of the day down-pat and I thought the costumes looked alright. I agree with you, about writing a 'not quite the thing' novel! My favourite is actually Pride and Prejudice.. so, I guess that shows how good my analysis is... :)

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 re Olivier really! Olivier was OK--I checked the costumes ARE from Gone with the wind--they turn Lady Catherine into a kind old lady AND this is interesting--it was made on the orders of Winston Churchill to drum up support for England in America!! That's a long story Olivier wanted to go back to England and fight but Churchill said no stay in Hollywood and make high class propaganda--there is a book about this!!

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill You were saying that many of the good scenes in the books have been left out of the movies, I think the biggest FAIL of a Jane Austen adaptation is Pride and Prejudice. They tried to modernise a classic, and it soo didn't work! The characters were all wrong! Especially Kiera Knightley, she did NOT get Lizzy's dispostion right... Anyway, on that mood lightening note, which is your favourite Jane Austen? (Also, I saw a very good Sense and Sensibility, I think it was made in 2008.)

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 I agree again (though I think the Colin Firth adaptation quite good) The keira Kneightly film is a flop! I will give it one thing. It does try and show that Lizzie's attraction to Darcy begins well before Pemberely (even if she doesn't know it or doesn't want to know it)--thus in the KK film Darcy's helping her into the carriage and in the refusal scene--not that it works mind you!David Denby Is right when he says that Lizzie had wanted to love Darcy for a long time.

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill Although it does happen gradually, I don't think that LIzzy's attraction starts at Pemberley. But, I do think that the film was trying to emphasise the fact that Darcy had touched her for the first time... I don't know. I hated the refusal scene! It was SOOOO horrible! They just yelled, and the whole beauty of that scene is how cutting yet composed they both are. It was one of my most favourite parts of the book, when I saw that scene, I knew it was going to be horrible.

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 I agree completely I can find parts in P@P that show Lizzy is interested in Darcy--and you are right the refusal scene in the Keira Knightly film stinks!--but to be be devil's advocate -- watch it closely--she refuses him and then for a moment it looks like they are going to kiss--now that is just plain STUPID but I have to admit that I think their motives were to emphasize Lizzy's attraction--which I think is true But the Colin Firth version works better don't you think?

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill I'm watching the refusal scene again ( trust me - my eyes are bleeding!) You're right, they do look like they're going to kiss! It isn't the MOST effective, but I think they were just trying to establish for people who hadn't read the books a sexual tension between them. That way, at the end, it wouldn't come as a shock to the new audience. Honestly, I hate that film almost as much as I hate Twilight! To be continued. :)

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 Yup I was taken aback by it--it is a wretched film and what is puzzling is they seem to have noticed the sexual tension which I can assure you is routinely ignored (my daughter's teacher missed it completely). In fact it has been ignored since Sir Walter Scott reviewed the book--and it seems to me crucial to the book. How they could catch that AND MAKE SUCH A MISERABLE FILM--well it confounds me!!

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill The Colin Firth version is definitely the best Pride and Prejudice. The characters were exactly how they should be, and the proposal scene in this one is reaaaally good. I also think that they have a really good sense of the graduality of Elizabeth's love for Darcy. Also, Colin Firth was MADE to play Darcy! :D It's so sad that Austen died and had only written 6 books. It's interesting, reading them, because they seem to reflect her own life. TBC

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 Absolutely I cannot imagine anyone making a better version! You know I could be wrong--I have seen I think two versions my 2 dvd set may have some minor cuts. But I cannot imagine a better Darcy I have one reservation. Bingley and Jane are not gently satirized--I think JA really admired their modesty. Mr. Darcy seems to realize that though it takes him some time

[bhanshee75]

@vivascargill Anyway! If you look, you'll find that some of her books reflect her own life. E.g. She wrote P@P when she was very young, and the female protragonist is young, pretty and lively. Lizzy is also full of hope for a decent and happy marriage. Then, Persuasion, is written much further along in JA's timeline. The main character is older, wiser and unmarried. In fact, it's amazing how sad Jane Austen's life was, compared to her romantic and happy endings.Success always comes from failure.

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 It sure seems like a sad life but I think or I just guess she did not find it so--she always was cheerful as far as I can discern and wrote a funny poem right before her death. The second ending of Persuasion --incredibly beautiful--was written virtually on her death bed. Also she was a religious women (the prayers she wrote are online) and a lot of her language comes from the Book of Common Prayer. Above all she was a woman of deep courage. I find her final days heartbreaking.

[vivascargill]

@bhanshee75 oops I forgot--my favoriite Austen film adaptation is the 1995 Amanda Root Ciaran Hinds Persuasion--my favorite novel--that is a tough one--perhaps Mansfield Park though I do not "get it" completely-- "Emma" for sure

Had she not been dying Persuasion might have been as good--oh hell I like them all!