@Plummer89 your a hipocrite, you cherry picking all the bad bits,yet when you say first page to last page you only mention the bad things that happen in the old testament BEFORE jesus came. When JESUS came everything changed from the old testament
The WHOLE bible consists of the old and new testamament so i suggest you read it before you talk
the information should be something that benefits humanity. Not something as atomic bombs or things that cause more enmity or distrust, but I can't say for sure about this. God knows best, but if one chooses the road of knowledge God will guide that person towards the paradise. Remember to find more knowledge you have to be open ended, a person with an open heart and flexible from your mind. Not as arrogant a some tend to be, peace to everyone. And thanks for the upload.
like that. Because religion is more comforting when you find the proofs to back it up, religion and science should play together as gears of clock. When they work alongside each other nothing can stop them, when they work separately they start to work against each other.) What I've found out is that it's true to say "God did it", but why wouldn't you want to know, "how He might have done it?". In Islam it's told that scientific effords are more rewarded than religious deeds or effords. Of course
@WhiVe87 For whom doesn't it not back up? To you or to those who believe? Brother I don't know you so forgive me if I make accusations or sound like a person who tries to offend others. But the thing is that most of the people never believe in God, they choose this life over the next. And so they're granted arrogance, ignorance and blindness about truth. I don't know what God has planned out for you, nor do I want to know. I only wish that it would be something good, for your own sake.
@WhiVe87 As it is that whomever does good, does it for he's or her's own benefit. And whomever does wrong, wrongs only him/herself. Tell me if the clear evidence would come before you, would you even want to recognize it? Or would you change the truth for this deceiving life that's so little compared to the one coming? Hopefully God would show us mercy, on these days and in the days to come. What comes to religion "vs" science it's only in Christianity. We should read history, but when given the
@WhiVe87 facts, we should come to appreciate it and be thankful about them. We shouldn't deny them, nor should we try to hide it. Sadly it's what the world is doing right now, all that has been prophesied is coming into motion in these days. As did they come about in the days which are now in the past, you can't deny the truth, neither can I. We can only reject it or embrace it, brother. We should know what's good for our own selves. Peace. =)
Science and religion have never fought against each other. More likely nowadays scientists tend to be atheists and their beliefs are questioned by religious people. As are the beliefs of the religious people, questioned by atheists. It has been more likely like Christianity against science, finding ways with plain studies. (Which in the end could direly endanger the belief system of Christians, as most of them tend to believe blindly and so do other religious people but it's a shame that it goes
@RelatedAbyss Actually, the "Creator" does exist and humans cannot comprehend yet, just how many dimensions that exist. Some say that there could be as many as 54 or more dimensions.
@RelatedAbyss Genesis 1:26- And God said, Let us make humans in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. 27- So God created man in his OWN image, in the image of God created he him; male and female he created them both.
@jimbonumber9 Unfortunately, I do not believe this. I believe that we evolved from creatures that existed before us. And I don't believe that we have domain over animals, I think that we're just lucky, and we developed weapons and teamwork to win our place on this planet. Besides, if god created us in his image, why do/did people like hitler and osama bin laden exist? Wouldn't that suggest that there was an evil side to god? But hey, that's just my opinion.
@RelatedAbyss Everything happens for a reason and you can't get something from nothing. There is no such thing as luck in reality. Yes, God created both good and bad for a reason. Angels have to come from somewhere and there is such a thing as evolution of souls. Genesis 1:20- And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and birds THAT may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
@jimbonumber9 There is such thing as luck. Luck is when a series of random events just happen to have outcomes that are beneficial to one or more parties. And don't tell me that there is no such thing as a random event, tell it to the random number generator on my calculator. If there was no such thing as luck, then everything happens according to an unchanging path. Which means that god has no right to judge people who have sinned, because he made them do it, and thus made them not repent.
@RelatedAbyss So, you would say that in your world things are just a series of random events and if you just wait long enough, something good might happen. If you put enough coins into the slot machine enough times, you might just get "lucky" kind of thing?
@RelatedAbyss *sigh* go read the bible...god does not control people,humans may do what they want,but doing the wrong things can doom you to an enternity in hell,where you will forever be tortured.hitler and osama were not evil because of god.also,god will answer your prayer,but it has to be something you need,not some stupid thing like wishing for a game system.THERE IS NO EVIL IN GOD.god's only son,jesus,sacrifiesed himself to take the punishement for humanitys sins and the punishment wasDeath
@RTSstation Have you actually read the Bible? I'm talking about first page to last page, not just cherry picking the good bits. 80% of it is pure evil. Half of the ten commandments are to worship god and no other god. Yet he fails to list slavery, rape, and genocide, which fits neatly into what was acceptable back in the bronze age.
60% of atheists know more about religion than religious people do, theres a fun fact.
HELL is real. The flames there were 20 foot tall, and VERY hot. Worms eat you forever. Eyewitnesses SAW this. go to my channel to see. Most ppl are headed to eteranal torment. JESUS SAVES STOP YOUR SIN AND TURN TO HIM. Jesus showed many that the door to salvation is ALMOST CLOSED> YOUR CHANCE GONE FOREVER..... Will you be saved?
Physicists find that atoms are an empty electromagnetic bubble vibrating within a conscious field called a Unified Field. John Hagelin, Ph.D said the Unified Field is a concentrated field of intelligence in nature, non material, dynamic, SELF AWARE intelligence. The universe is conscious at it's basis. Theologians called the same intelligent consciousness God. Science now finds that Theologians were right all along.
@codyjohn1551 You cannot 'see' the Holy Spirit. You can 'know' the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. 1 John 2:22- Who is a liar but he that denies that Je'-sus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. 23- Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: [BUT] HE THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE SON HAS THE FATHER ALSO.
@codyjohn1551 Maybe you can't see him but I will give you some more proof. The first law of thermadynamics states energy can not be created nor destroyed. The law of consequence says there is an equal and opposite reaction for everything. If you say the energy was just here and has always been it is against the law of consequence. If you say it was created its against the first law of thermadynamics. Only God can break a law of nature and physics.
@ezekialwheel Basically yes. Just tell them like this (they will scream anyway and make excuses but you know what they are like!):
Spontaneous generation is absurd. For the universe to create anything it must first exist. For the universe to create itself it must exist and nonexist at the same time and then bring itself into existence. The logical contradiction is obvious and fatal to spontaneous generation.
Anyone who says the Universe "just came into existence" believe in..."magic" !!!
Tell that to any astrophysicist or quantum physicist and they will laugh you into the next state. What about the moon and the number of stars do you see as being evidence of supernatural intelligence or order or whatever? It sounds like you're spouting off a whole bunch of stuff you know nothing about and saying "therefore god exists". Maybe you should spend more time doing actual research and less time watching YouTube videos. ;-)
@ezekialwheel "I know the sun is 93 million miles from earth"
Good for you.
"Any closer and we would burn."
False.
"Any further and wede freeze."
False again. There's a substantial sphere of livable radii around the sun in which we could live. And if you're siting that as an example of how perfect the universe is set up for life, you have to then concede that the 99.9% of planets NOT in this livable area are evidence AGAINST the universe being perfectly ordered.
@BailiffQuimby I never heard about a "substantial sphere of livable radii" around the sun in which we could live. I always heard any closer to the sun and we would burn up, or any farther away from the sun and we would freeze. I am not saying your lieing or trying to have a debate of is God real or not. I am interested in learing more about the sphere around the sun that you say humans could live in. Can you give me some Internet sites or videos I can reasearch this at or some type of evidence?
@311brusier "I never heard about a "substantial sphere of livable radii""
That's because you only read propaganda from creationists. It's not a huge radius range, but it's there. And you have to remember of course that if we were closer to the sun and the earth temp ranged from 100 to 200 F, then we might've evolved to be comfortable in those temperatures. Also, you know our radius from the sun changes slightly over the seasons, right?
@311brusier Quick-checked some details. Feel free to look them up at any reputable astronomy site. The orbit of the earth around the sun is elliptical and not circular. Our distance from the sun therefore varies between 147 million km and 152 million km. The habitable zone around our sun ranges from 4.5 million miles lower than our current average radius to 34 million miles farther than our current average radius,. And that's just the habitable range for lifeforms with which we are familiar.
@ezekialwheel Lastly, your proposition that the "universe is perfectly ordered" is categorically false, and of the degree of randomness vs. order that exists in the universe, our naturalistic model explains far better than your intelligence model. Too often, the problems of the universe in the intelligence model are explained with "well I don't know why he did it that way," and that's just not a helpful answer. So your "the end" is premature. Wanna try again?
@ezekialwheel ...and even then, you're leaving out possibilities that there was intelligence involved, but that it was not a design and plan. And then there's the possibility that the question of what happened before the big bang is itself a bad question - if time and space are linked, as we believe them to be, there may not have been a "before". It could be that time began at the moment of the big bang, in which case it is false to even speak of a "before".
@ezekialwheel I think narrowing the "unknown cause" down to "intelligent or not" is a bit of an oversimplification. Among the non-intelligent possibilities, there are millions of possible causes. And calling it an "accident" is deceptive too, since "accident" is not the opposite of "intelligent" If you want to nail this into a dichotomy, and I do believe this is a false dichotomy, it would be "intelligent" or "non-intelligent"
@ezekialwheel Good for you that you like this video. But that doesn't make it any more accurate. Science has found no demonstrable evidence that a god exists. And even if the big bang theory were found to be false tomorrow, that still wouldn't be evidence for a god - just evidence against the big bang.
If you disagree, I would invite you to cite specific scientific evidence that a god exists. I'm honestly curious. But don't just say "it's obvious and you're stupid if you disagree"
@ezekialwheel "I dont think the existance of God and the movie "leprichan" goes in the same category do you?"
I meant 'leprechauns' the mythological figures, not the film. I do think they belong in the same category, since the only difference between them is that many more people believe in gods than leprechauns. Since this fact doesn't modify the likelihood of either one existing, they do belong in the same category: "Mythological beings with no demonstrable evidence for their existence."
3) If your god really exists and is all as super-awesome as you believe him to be, don't you think he'd be able to tell if I was just saying "i believe" to play it safe? I can't imagine he'd be so blind to such obvious hypocrisy.
4) It's kinda cowardly, isn't it? To believe in something for which you have no evidence because you're afraid that if he does exist, he'll be upset?
@ezekialwheel Pascal's Wager - the idea that it's safer to believe in God than to not - fails because:
1) To cover all your bases, you'd have to also believe in every other god who'd ever been thought up: Odin, Zeus, Krishna, FSM, etc.
2) One cannot simply just decide to start believing. One needs to somehow be convinced, either through evidence or indoctrination. I cannot choose to suddenly believe in your god anymore than you could suddenly choose to believe in leprechauns.
@ezekialwheel "You dont have to be a genious to see the obvious."
No, but perhaps you do have to be a genius to see past the obvious. (or to spell 'genius' correctly)
"Science has already named God. He is "the unknown causal agent"."
This is the "god of the gaps" idea - anything we don't yet know must be a god ...and nobody says a word when we eventually learn the true cause of the event.
"But Einstien said...."
You're quoting an outspoken atheist to prove your point? Really?
@ezekialwheel "e evidence SAYS there are only TWO choices. One an inteligent creator or TWO an accidental energy source."
I'm not sure "accidental" is the right word. We don't yet understand enough about the nature of the big bang to categorize it as such. It may not even have been the original "source" of the energy.
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. 3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard.
The title is misleading. How about "Scientists believe in god." No evidence for god, unless you equal god to things we don't understand yet.
This video is very interesting. You say that scientists see god in science, and that there's an increasing number of them who accept god. Statistics don't agree with you. The higher the education, the less religious.
If you were right about this, then the fundies would not try to block and denigrate science in schools. They know they're losing grounds.
@eproulx It's not about religion! Because religion is a manmade construct or thing. It's about the "Creator." You can't have something from nothing. The universe as we know it just didn't come from nothing. Einstein was a very smart man and even he said that there had to be a "Creator."
@jimbonumber9: This is basically your argument 1- You postulate "you can't have something from nothing" 2- Therefore there's a creator.
But your argument fails when you try to answer: where does the creator come from? Most religious people will say "he was always there" which violates your first rule. "Why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always been??"
Also, if Einstein's absent god is the creator, then, WHY care about him?
@eproulx No, you don't understand. God is not absent. God is everywhere and has always been. Alpha and Omega, do you not understand? Perhaps, you should understand "reality." Remember, I'm just the messenger and the message is true.
I don't know where you guys get the "from nothing" argument from. No one has the ability to prove that there ever was nothing. At one time it definitely was different, but something was probably there nonetheless. Another problem with this is, even if we were to harbor the idea that there was a creator, how can we make the jump to identify it? The possibilities are literally endless. Then, to claim to know what the intent of such a being is utterly insane.
@Pernic10us Oh, but there is so much more to learn. Humanity has only taken just it's first baby steps and in the future at whatever point in time, humans will understand and know the "Creator" more than we can possibly imagine at the present time. Again, "everything" must come from something. There is no such thing as nothing in that sense of the saying or mind. In other words, you can't bake a cake out of nothing. So, what is the intent?
Science and religion might have been wrong for years, fighting each other, but I think maybe they will verge like they were supposed to all along as we become more enlightened. There is a design and purpose to the universe, but human beings only have a narrow view of it. One day we will become aware of the truth.
@Dannolgorski There certainly may be a design and purpose to the universe. But until there is actual evidence of one, I don't know why we should operate under the assumption that this is the case. Once the evidence is there, sure, I'll join the bandwagon. But until then, I believe what I have evidence for.
@Plummer89 your a hipocrite, you cherry picking all the bad bits,yet when you say first page to last page you only mention the bad things that happen in the old testament BEFORE jesus came. When JESUS came everything changed from the old testament
The WHOLE bible consists of the old and new testamament so i suggest you read it before you talk
MrFIJIBULA 3 weeks ago
''Natural phenomena are "God's signs in the Universe'' WHAT? I thought they were Natural?
gregrutz 2 months ago
the information should be something that benefits humanity. Not something as atomic bombs or things that cause more enmity or distrust, but I can't say for sure about this. God knows best, but if one chooses the road of knowledge God will guide that person towards the paradise. Remember to find more knowledge you have to be open ended, a person with an open heart and flexible from your mind. Not as arrogant a some tend to be, peace to everyone. And thanks for the upload.
ThePatientMuslim 5 months ago
like that. Because religion is more comforting when you find the proofs to back it up, religion and science should play together as gears of clock. When they work alongside each other nothing can stop them, when they work separately they start to work against each other.) What I've found out is that it's true to say "God did it", but why wouldn't you want to know, "how He might have done it?". In Islam it's told that scientific effords are more rewarded than religious deeds or effords. Of course
ThePatientMuslim 5 months ago
@ThePatientMuslim science and religion have never fought each other? read a history book oh and there is no proof to back up religion
WhiVe87 4 months ago
@WhiVe87 For whom doesn't it not back up? To you or to those who believe? Brother I don't know you so forgive me if I make accusations or sound like a person who tries to offend others. But the thing is that most of the people never believe in God, they choose this life over the next. And so they're granted arrogance, ignorance and blindness about truth. I don't know what God has planned out for you, nor do I want to know. I only wish that it would be something good, for your own sake.
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@WhiVe87 As it is that whomever does good, does it for he's or her's own benefit. And whomever does wrong, wrongs only him/herself. Tell me if the clear evidence would come before you, would you even want to recognize it? Or would you change the truth for this deceiving life that's so little compared to the one coming? Hopefully God would show us mercy, on these days and in the days to come. What comes to religion "vs" science it's only in Christianity. We should read history, but when given the
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
@WhiVe87 facts, we should come to appreciate it and be thankful about them. We shouldn't deny them, nor should we try to hide it. Sadly it's what the world is doing right now, all that has been prophesied is coming into motion in these days. As did they come about in the days which are now in the past, you can't deny the truth, neither can I. We can only reject it or embrace it, brother. We should know what's good for our own selves. Peace. =)
ThePatientMuslim 4 months ago
Science and religion have never fought against each other. More likely nowadays scientists tend to be atheists and their beliefs are questioned by religious people. As are the beliefs of the religious people, questioned by atheists. It has been more likely like Christianity against science, finding ways with plain studies. (Which in the end could direly endanger the belief system of Christians, as most of them tend to believe blindly and so do other religious people but it's a shame that it goes
ThePatientMuslim 5 months ago
I think that if god were to exist, he would be four-dimensional.
RelatedAbyss 7 months ago
@RelatedAbyss Actually, the "Creator" does exist and humans cannot comprehend yet, just how many dimensions that exist. Some say that there could be as many as 54 or more dimensions.
jimbonumber9 7 months ago
@jimbonumber9 I didn't suggest that this "creator" existed or not, and anyway, could you give me me some evidence that he/she/it does, please? :3
RelatedAbyss 7 months ago
@RelatedAbyss You are the evidence as a human being, right?
jimbonumber9 7 months ago
@jimbonumber9 I don't think I am.
RelatedAbyss 7 months ago
@RelatedAbyss Genesis 1:26- And God said, Let us make humans in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. 27- So God created man in his OWN image, in the image of God created he him; male and female he created them both.
jimbonumber9 7 months ago
@jimbonumber9 Unfortunately, I do not believe this. I believe that we evolved from creatures that existed before us. And I don't believe that we have domain over animals, I think that we're just lucky, and we developed weapons and teamwork to win our place on this planet. Besides, if god created us in his image, why do/did people like hitler and osama bin laden exist? Wouldn't that suggest that there was an evil side to god? But hey, that's just my opinion.
RelatedAbyss 7 months ago
@RelatedAbyss Everything happens for a reason and you can't get something from nothing. There is no such thing as luck in reality. Yes, God created both good and bad for a reason. Angels have to come from somewhere and there is such a thing as evolution of souls. Genesis 1:20- And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and birds THAT may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
jimbonumber9 7 months ago
@jimbonumber9 There is such thing as luck. Luck is when a series of random events just happen to have outcomes that are beneficial to one or more parties. And don't tell me that there is no such thing as a random event, tell it to the random number generator on my calculator. If there was no such thing as luck, then everything happens according to an unchanging path. Which means that god has no right to judge people who have sinned, because he made them do it, and thus made them not repent.
RelatedAbyss 7 months ago
@RelatedAbyss So, you would say that in your world things are just a series of random events and if you just wait long enough, something good might happen. If you put enough coins into the slot machine enough times, you might just get "lucky" kind of thing?
jimbonumber9 7 months ago
@RelatedAbyss *sigh* go read the bible...god does not control people,humans may do what they want,but doing the wrong things can doom you to an enternity in hell,where you will forever be tortured.hitler and osama were not evil because of god.also,god will answer your prayer,but it has to be something you need,not some stupid thing like wishing for a game system.THERE IS NO EVIL IN GOD.god's only son,jesus,sacrifiesed himself to take the punishement for humanitys sins and the punishment wasDeath
RTSstation 7 months ago
@RTSstation Have you actually read the Bible? I'm talking about first page to last page, not just cherry picking the good bits. 80% of it is pure evil. Half of the ten commandments are to worship god and no other god. Yet he fails to list slavery, rape, and genocide, which fits neatly into what was acceptable back in the bronze age.
60% of atheists know more about religion than religious people do, theres a fun fact.
plummer89 7 months ago
@plummer89 you know what im not getting sucked into this fight......and go to israel,youl find plenty of evidence there....
RTSstation 7 months ago
I love you man, I was an atheist 3 months ago, I was a fool then until I found God.
suprajazz 9 months ago
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HELL is real. The flames there were 20 foot tall, and VERY hot. Worms eat you forever. Eyewitnesses SAW this. go to my channel to see. Most ppl are headed to eteranal torment. JESUS SAVES STOP YOUR SIN AND TURN TO HIM. Jesus showed many that the door to salvation is ALMOST CLOSED> YOUR CHANCE GONE FOREVER..... Will you be saved?
1onetheone 9 months ago
Everyone needs to read The Shack...look it up....it answers a lot of questions. It is an actual experience a man had.
Earthchild2011 10 months ago
@Earthchild2011 "It is an actual experience a man had."
It's a novel. Why do you think it's a description of actual events?
BailiffQuimby 9 months ago
Physicists find that atoms are an empty electromagnetic bubble vibrating within a conscious field called a Unified Field. John Hagelin, Ph.D said the Unified Field is a concentrated field of intelligence in nature, non material, dynamic, SELF AWARE intelligence. The universe is conscious at it's basis. Theologians called the same intelligent consciousness God. Science now finds that Theologians were right all along.
GateMessenger 11 months ago 3
@GateMessenger Thank you. May God be with you!
jimbonumber9 11 months ago
@GateMessenger I am sorry but how is it that proves the "unified field" has a conscious?
Rosumny00 9 months ago
''Science finds God'' I dont see him annywhere
codyjohn1551 1 year ago
@codyjohn1551 You cannot 'see' the Holy Spirit. You can 'know' the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. 1 John 2:22- Who is a liar but he that denies that Je'-sus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. 23- Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: [BUT] HE THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE SON HAS THE FATHER ALSO.
jimbonumber9 1 year ago
@jimbonumber9 AHHHHH big religious words!!!
Turtleluver26 9 months ago
@codyjohn1551 Maybe you can't see him but I will give you some more proof. The first law of thermadynamics states energy can not be created nor destroyed. The law of consequence says there is an equal and opposite reaction for everything. If you say the energy was just here and has always been it is against the law of consequence. If you say it was created its against the first law of thermadynamics. Only God can break a law of nature and physics.
GladForGladius 9 months ago
@ezekialwheel The other thing I would say is, it is not so much "intelligence", rather than "consciousness"
But I see your point.
regards!
KTK401 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel Basically yes. Just tell them like this (they will scream anyway and make excuses but you know what they are like!):
Spontaneous generation is absurd. For the universe to create anything it must first exist. For the universe to create itself it must exist and nonexist at the same time and then bring itself into existence. The logical contradiction is obvious and fatal to spontaneous generation.
Anyone who says the Universe "just came into existence" believe in..."magic" !!!
KTK401 1 year ago
What is a "practicing atheist" anyway? Sounds self-contradictory.
twaallen32 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel its a huge leap to say that the universe is finetuned to say that there must be a God....
ThulinMartin 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel "the universe is order. Not chaos."
Tell that to any astrophysicist or quantum physicist and they will laugh you into the next state. What about the moon and the number of stars do you see as being evidence of supernatural intelligence or order or whatever? It sounds like you're spouting off a whole bunch of stuff you know nothing about and saying "therefore god exists". Maybe you should spend more time doing actual research and less time watching YouTube videos. ;-)
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel "I know the sun is 93 million miles from earth"
Good for you.
"Any closer and we would burn."
False.
"Any further and wede freeze."
False again. There's a substantial sphere of livable radii around the sun in which we could live. And if you're siting that as an example of how perfect the universe is set up for life, you have to then concede that the 99.9% of planets NOT in this livable area are evidence AGAINST the universe being perfectly ordered.
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@BailiffQuimby I never heard about a "substantial sphere of livable radii" around the sun in which we could live. I always heard any closer to the sun and we would burn up, or any farther away from the sun and we would freeze. I am not saying your lieing or trying to have a debate of is God real or not. I am interested in learing more about the sphere around the sun that you say humans could live in. Can you give me some Internet sites or videos I can reasearch this at or some type of evidence?
311brusier 10 months ago
@311brusier "I never heard about a "substantial sphere of livable radii""
That's because you only read propaganda from creationists. It's not a huge radius range, but it's there. And you have to remember of course that if we were closer to the sun and the earth temp ranged from 100 to 200 F, then we might've evolved to be comfortable in those temperatures. Also, you know our radius from the sun changes slightly over the seasons, right?
BailiffQuimby 10 months ago
@311brusier Quick-checked some details. Feel free to look them up at any reputable astronomy site. The orbit of the earth around the sun is elliptical and not circular. Our distance from the sun therefore varies between 147 million km and 152 million km. The habitable zone around our sun ranges from 4.5 million miles lower than our current average radius to 34 million miles farther than our current average radius,. And that's just the habitable range for lifeforms with which we are familiar.
BailiffQuimby 10 months ago
@ezekialwheel Lastly, your proposition that the "universe is perfectly ordered" is categorically false, and of the degree of randomness vs. order that exists in the universe, our naturalistic model explains far better than your intelligence model. Too often, the problems of the universe in the intelligence model are explained with "well I don't know why he did it that way," and that's just not a helpful answer. So your "the end" is premature. Wanna try again?
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel ...and even then, you're leaving out possibilities that there was intelligence involved, but that it was not a design and plan. And then there's the possibility that the question of what happened before the big bang is itself a bad question - if time and space are linked, as we believe them to be, there may not have been a "before". It could be that time began at the moment of the big bang, in which case it is false to even speak of a "before".
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel I think narrowing the "unknown cause" down to "intelligent or not" is a bit of an oversimplification. Among the non-intelligent possibilities, there are millions of possible causes. And calling it an "accident" is deceptive too, since "accident" is not the opposite of "intelligent" If you want to nail this into a dichotomy, and I do believe this is a false dichotomy, it would be "intelligent" or "non-intelligent"
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel Thank you!
jimbonumber9 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel What wings are you talking about? Who said humans would sprout wings?
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel Good for you that you like this video. But that doesn't make it any more accurate. Science has found no demonstrable evidence that a god exists. And even if the big bang theory were found to be false tomorrow, that still wouldn't be evidence for a god - just evidence against the big bang.
If you disagree, I would invite you to cite specific scientific evidence that a god exists. I'm honestly curious. But don't just say "it's obvious and you're stupid if you disagree"
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel "I dont think the existance of God and the movie "leprichan" goes in the same category do you?"
I meant 'leprechauns' the mythological figures, not the film. I do think they belong in the same category, since the only difference between them is that many more people believe in gods than leprechauns. Since this fact doesn't modify the likelihood of either one existing, they do belong in the same category: "Mythological beings with no demonstrable evidence for their existence."
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel "Actually what I dont understand is that YOU dont understand what I said in plain english"
If I misunderstood something you said, maybe you could specify what you said that I didn't understand so I can properly respond?
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel "Just as a default belief system I guess. It seems to make more sense to say yes there is a creator God than no there isnt."
Why? Does it also make more sense as a belief system say yes there are leprechauns than no there aren't? Or does this argument just apply to gods?
"From that point on you have a much better chance to find the truth."
Would the best belief system for finding truth be to say "I just don't know and will keep looking until I find out"?
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel ...continued
3) If your god really exists and is all as super-awesome as you believe him to be, don't you think he'd be able to tell if I was just saying "i believe" to play it safe? I can't imagine he'd be so blind to such obvious hypocrisy.
4) It's kinda cowardly, isn't it? To believe in something for which you have no evidence because you're afraid that if he does exist, he'll be upset?
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel Pascal's Wager - the idea that it's safer to believe in God than to not - fails because:
1) To cover all your bases, you'd have to also believe in every other god who'd ever been thought up: Odin, Zeus, Krishna, FSM, etc.
2) One cannot simply just decide to start believing. One needs to somehow be convinced, either through evidence or indoctrination. I cannot choose to suddenly believe in your god anymore than you could suddenly choose to believe in leprechauns.
TBC...
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel "Or another way to put it would be "until there is evidence I will NOT use logic"
I suppose there's no point to suggesting that anyone using logic would require evidence to make their logical decision?
"I wouldnt leave my soul to a chance like that. You would be better off "ASSUMING" that there IS a God."
This is a famous and fallacious argument called Pascal's Wager. It fails on several accounts which I don't have room for, so read my next comment...
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
@ezekialwheel "You dont have to be a genious to see the obvious."
No, but perhaps you do have to be a genius to see past the obvious. (or to spell 'genius' correctly)
"Science has already named God. He is "the unknown causal agent"."
This is the "god of the gaps" idea - anything we don't yet know must be a god ...and nobody says a word when we eventually learn the true cause of the event.
"But Einstien said...."
You're quoting an outspoken atheist to prove your point? Really?
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
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@ezekialwheel "e evidence SAYS there are only TWO choices. One an inteligent creator or TWO an accidental energy source."
I'm not sure "accidental" is the right word. We don't yet understand enough about the nature of the big bang to categorize it as such. It may not even have been the original "source" of the energy.
"Being that the universe is perfectly ordered..."
Bullshit, it isn't.
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. 3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard.
Psalms 19:1-3
flipjosh12 1 year ago 3
The title is misleading. How about "Scientists believe in god." No evidence for god, unless you equal god to things we don't understand yet.
This video is very interesting. You say that scientists see god in science, and that there's an increasing number of them who accept god. Statistics don't agree with you. The higher the education, the less religious.
If you were right about this, then the fundies would not try to block and denigrate science in schools. They know they're losing grounds.
eproulx 1 year ago
@eproulx It's not about religion! Because religion is a manmade construct or thing. It's about the "Creator." You can't have something from nothing. The universe as we know it just didn't come from nothing. Einstein was a very smart man and even he said that there had to be a "Creator."
jimbonumber9 1 year ago
@jimbonumber9: This is basically your argument 1- You postulate "you can't have something from nothing" 2- Therefore there's a creator.
But your argument fails when you try to answer: where does the creator come from? Most religious people will say "he was always there" which violates your first rule. "Why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always been??"
Also, if Einstein's absent god is the creator, then, WHY care about him?
You should read "The God Delusion".
eproulx 1 year ago
@eproulx No, you don't understand. God is not absent. God is everywhere and has always been. Alpha and Omega, do you not understand? Perhaps, you should understand "reality." Remember, I'm just the messenger and the message is true.
jimbonumber9 1 year ago
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I don't know where you guys get the "from nothing" argument from. No one has the ability to prove that there ever was nothing. At one time it definitely was different, but something was probably there nonetheless. Another problem with this is, even if we were to harbor the idea that there was a creator, how can we make the jump to identify it? The possibilities are literally endless. Then, to claim to know what the intent of such a being is utterly insane.
Pernic10us 1 year ago
@Pernic10us (edit)
...to claim to know the intent of such being...
Pernic10us 1 year ago
@Pernic10us Oh, but there is so much more to learn. Humanity has only taken just it's first baby steps and in the future at whatever point in time, humans will understand and know the "Creator" more than we can possibly imagine at the present time. Again, "everything" must come from something. There is no such thing as nothing in that sense of the saying or mind. In other words, you can't bake a cake out of nothing. So, what is the intent?
jimbonumber9 1 year ago
@eproulx So if gravity is just a theory, perhaps you might want to test it. Message delivered, seed planted.
jimbonumber9 1 year ago
@eproulx in alot of cases the higer the education,the more arrogant and hard hearted people become.
andymcq2509 1 year ago
This lines up with my beliefs.
Science and religion might have been wrong for years, fighting each other, but I think maybe they will verge like they were supposed to all along as we become more enlightened. There is a design and purpose to the universe, but human beings only have a narrow view of it. One day we will become aware of the truth.
Dannolgorski 2 years ago 8
Yes, I agree completely. Thank you!
jimbonumber9 2 years ago
@Dannolgorski There certainly may be a design and purpose to the universe. But until there is actual evidence of one, I don't know why we should operate under the assumption that this is the case. Once the evidence is there, sure, I'll join the bandwagon. But until then, I believe what I have evidence for.
BailiffQuimby 1 year ago
love the vid...keep um comming
86nigga 2 years ago 10