@jocell202: Thanks. I did watch the video and read through the comments. Very interesting. I am somewhat familiar with the joe cell concept, to a point. I am definitely interested in investigating (and trying) what you have shown in the video.
@ktsswan: You definitely have done much more tinkering with this vapor fuel thing than I have. Yes, I understand what you are saying. I certainly wont argue that point. When I get the chance, I really need to get back to it and detail it like you have done.
@ktsswan: No need to apologize. It is ok to have a life outside of youtube, lol. Sounds like you had an interesting time with your project. Hmmm... Makes me wonder if there would be a difference in consumption between a vapor setup like mine and the ultrasonic fogger.
Only the govenor butterfly stayed inside. The outlet from the Ozarka container went to the fitting I put in the top of the totaly sealed air filter box.
I got 15 min out of that. I think you should get another junk carb and do what I did carb wise. You may need that govenor valve. I was going to try drilling out one of the unused air fuel mix holes and jb weld a pipe for the fumes to go in and the air filter box could probably be stock.
I played around with this before using a 5 gal Ozarka water bottle with a soaked rag in it hanging from a wire (middle) and just made (2) 1/2 in small holes on top.I ran a pvc pipe with 2 holes (bottom sides) to the bottom of the container and an air filter on top. The other hole was an outlet to hose to carb air intake (put a hole on the stock filter box and sealed it up). Removed choke, took everything off the bottom of the carb (bowl, float, small pipes) and sealed up the rest in the bowl.
@sunny5rising I wish. Moved to an apartment let all of my projects go. I had no valves like you do on lines. Used old style edger with belt n blade on t arm all adjustable. Removed edger arm junk and adjustable f wheel system, f wheels moved to plate. Ozarka bottle placed through the handle to the baseplate (I extended the base plate back a little) good fit. I wonder if yours would run cleaner if you had a much larger canister more fumes no fuel getting in the lines?
Good to see experimenters actually putting their engines to real work. Theory is one thing but practice is a different thing entirely. Keep up the good work.
What is making the bubbles that are churning up the fuel? Are you pushing through some of the exhaust gas or is this due to the check valves? How long will this run on cold vapour compared to running on the same amount of fuel but using the carburettor?
@TK42138: The bubbles are coming from the engine vacuum pulling in air through the jar (where the check valves are located). The check valves themselves make no difference on the bubbling action. I have not yet compared the difference in fuel consumption between liquid and vapor. Will get there though sometime.
@ktsswan: About the fogger... Are you talking about one of those ultrasonic devices that creates a white fog out of the liquid? If so, then yeah, I DO want to try that. Are you planning on making any videos on your setup once you get it tweaked? I'm sure plenty of people, including me, would like to see it. :)
@ktsswan:Thanks. I know what you mean. Before I posted this video, I think I only saw one video of an engine on vapor doing work. This was on a generator running several high wattage lights. Having run this engine on vapor, both loaded and unloaded, I can say that there is definitely a difference in setup. Mainly, the diameter of the supply lines have to be closer to the diameter of the carb intake (3/4" in my case) so the engine does not suffocate as increased HP is required.
I just added a system like this to my 73 Dodge Dart Highly modified 318cid.
I noticed an instant change in the running of the engine when I plugged the vacuum hose into the engine. I mounted the canning jar next to the radiator and plumbed it to the carb on a ported vacuum port. Of course I am still using the carb, doubt I can get around that. But I am looking to see if I can get some better mileage. I have tweaked this car from 11.2 to 15.7. Never have gotten above that. Hope this works!
how does this make a difference? i always thought that the fuel that went into an engine vaporised then combusted anyways so isnt it just the same thing?
@oliverjamescarr: Unfortunately, the vaporization of gasoline is far from complete when using the conventional carburetor or the common fuel injection system. The evidence is in the fact that there are carbon monoxide emissions in the exhaust AND the existence of the automotive catalytic converter. Keep in mind that liquid gasoline does not burn, only gasoline vapors do. The systems mentioned above introduce liquid gasoline into the engine, of which only part of it becomes vaporized and used.
@oliverjamescarr NO, it is NOT the same thing. With fuel injection, the fuel goes into the cylinders as a mist which, is still a liquid. The vapor from fuel is actually a gas. Big difference. With fuel injection, you pump the source of the vapor into the cylinder for combustion, therby reducing the life span of the vapor source. The other method pumps the by-product of liquid fuel (vapor) into the cylinder, thereby extending the life of the vapor source.
I Agree with pgflyjoe it would be a good idea to see what the comparison of regular carburation V Fumes consuption is, Looks like once you get it running sweet that you should connect the two valves via a rod to see if eaqual ajustment on both is the key to carburation using the vapours(if you understand what i mean) I have been experimenting with Propane conversions on B & S engines its all good fun and interesting.
Nice. I wish I could even get to your point.I have the same configuration as you, but I can't seem to get my engine to run on fuel vapor without cheating. (By tipping the gasoline jar over and the intake just 'sipping' the bubbles). Keep up the good work! Want to see more!
Thanks for the compliment. Try adding more gasoline to your jar until you can run the engine without cheating, lol. It sounds to me like you might be too lean, since tipping the jar and sipping the bubbles does work. My Pt2 will cover this. For comparison, my engine is a 5 hp and in this video, I am running 3/8ID line, and having my jar about 1/3 full seems to work good with the engine under no load. I did not mention that in the video.
If, on the other hand, you already have a lot of gasoline in the jar, try taking some out to make it leaner. The more gasoline in the jar, makes the vapor mixture richer, less gasoline makes the vapor leaner. Either extreme will cause the engine not to run. You just have to find your setup's sweet spot
nice job on video did you now dc motors when spolled by hand or by a drill or added to a cars pully system make curent like a genarator learned about it from reaserch on wind power you cant hook the juice to the cares charging system it will fry the baterie you run it strait to hho cell tell every one the faster it spolles the more curent i use a razor scootor motor but seen vid on a tread mill motor i thought they were ac but the video said dc make a video please
have you timed a certain volume to see how long it will run? say like a cup? Think you might damage the engine by running it so lean? Two cycle oil didnt foul plug?
No, I have not timed any specific volumes for run time yet. Getting the system to work under load is my main goal right now. No, I'm not at all worried about running the engine lean. The combustion characteristics are different with fumes than with conventional gasoline carbs and fuel injection systems which send in a partially liquid gasoline charge (liquid gasoline does not burn, only the fumes/vapors do). No, did not foul plug. I was not burning the oil, just the fumes of the oil/gas mix.
I built a different HHO system for my 99Durango. All high current systems are under the hood, while still retaining complete control from the cab. Built a new generator which is based partly on what is known as the Joe Cell. This new cell is twice as efficient as the ole Magdrive tube. Anyway, we'll see how that all goes when the snow stops falling.
watch my save money on fuel with one wire vid Sir, Great work you have done here.
jocell202 1 week ago
@jocell202: Thanks. I did watch the video and read through the comments. Very interesting. I am somewhat familiar with the joe cell concept, to a point. I am definitely interested in investigating (and trying) what you have shown in the video.
sunny5rising 1 week ago
@ktsswan: You definitely have done much more tinkering with this vapor fuel thing than I have. Yes, I understand what you are saying. I certainly wont argue that point. When I get the chance, I really need to get back to it and detail it like you have done.
sunny5rising 1 month ago
@ktsswan: No need to apologize. It is ok to have a life outside of youtube, lol. Sounds like you had an interesting time with your project. Hmmm... Makes me wonder if there would be a difference in consumption between a vapor setup like mine and the ultrasonic fogger.
sunny5rising 1 month ago
Only the govenor butterfly stayed inside. The outlet from the Ozarka container went to the fitting I put in the top of the totaly sealed air filter box.
I got 15 min out of that. I think you should get another junk carb and do what I did carb wise. You may need that govenor valve. I was going to try drilling out one of the unused air fuel mix holes and jb weld a pipe for the fumes to go in and the air filter box could probably be stock.
Good luck
cannabean5 4 months ago
@cannabean5: I agree... Using the governor is definitely the way to go.
sunny5rising 4 months ago
I played around with this before using a 5 gal Ozarka water bottle with a soaked rag in it hanging from a wire (middle) and just made (2) 1/2 in small holes on top.I ran a pvc pipe with 2 holes (bottom sides) to the bottom of the container and an air filter on top. The other hole was an outlet to hose to carb air intake (put a hole on the stock filter box and sealed it up). Removed choke, took everything off the bottom of the carb (bowl, float, small pipes) and sealed up the rest in the bowl.
cannabean5 4 months ago
@cannabean5: Good deal. Ever thought about doing a video of your setup? I would certainly like to see it up and running. I'm sure others would too.
sunny5rising 4 months ago
@sunny5rising I wish. Moved to an apartment let all of my projects go. I had no valves like you do on lines. Used old style edger with belt n blade on t arm all adjustable. Removed edger arm junk and adjustable f wheel system, f wheels moved to plate. Ozarka bottle placed through the handle to the baseplate (I extended the base plate back a little) good fit. I wonder if yours would run cleaner if you had a much larger canister more fumes no fuel getting in the lines?
cannabean5 3 months ago
@cannabean5: Yes, mine would definitely benefit from using a bigger canister as well as bigger tubing/piping.
sunny5rising 3 months ago
Curious, does the jar holding the gas get cold?
raptor731 4 months ago
@raptor731: Yes, very much so.
sunny5rising 4 months ago
Good to see experimenters actually putting their engines to real work. Theory is one thing but practice is a different thing entirely. Keep up the good work.
TK42138 6 months ago
@TK42138: Thank you, and I agree. :)
sunny5rising 6 months ago
What is making the bubbles that are churning up the fuel? Are you pushing through some of the exhaust gas or is this due to the check valves? How long will this run on cold vapour compared to running on the same amount of fuel but using the carburettor?
TK42138 6 months ago
@TK42138: The bubbles are coming from the engine vacuum pulling in air through the jar (where the check valves are located). The check valves themselves make no difference on the bubbling action. I have not yet compared the difference in fuel consumption between liquid and vapor. Will get there though sometime.
sunny5rising 6 months ago
Nice experiment but just hope you had a door open filming this as even small IC engines can produce enough carbon monoxide to kill.
TK42138 6 months ago
@TK42138: Even though there is much less carbon monoxide exiting this engine than normal, yes, I did have adequate ventilation.
sunny5rising 6 months ago
@ktsswan: About the fogger... Are you talking about one of those ultrasonic devices that creates a white fog out of the liquid? If so, then yeah, I DO want to try that. Are you planning on making any videos on your setup once you get it tweaked? I'm sure plenty of people, including me, would like to see it. :)
sunny5rising 6 months ago
@ktsswan:Thanks. I know what you mean. Before I posted this video, I think I only saw one video of an engine on vapor doing work. This was on a generator running several high wattage lights. Having run this engine on vapor, both loaded and unloaded, I can say that there is definitely a difference in setup. Mainly, the diameter of the supply lines have to be closer to the diameter of the carb intake (3/4" in my case) so the engine does not suffocate as increased HP is required.
sunny5rising 6 months ago
man you look like shit no uffence meant but your eather got a bad liver or you smoke way to much pot aaaahahaha thanks for this vid man its exerlent.
obieezx11 6 months ago
@obieezx11: Wow, thanks for that! lol.
sunny5rising 6 months ago
I just added a system like this to my 73 Dodge Dart Highly modified 318cid.
I noticed an instant change in the running of the engine when I plugged the vacuum hose into the engine. I mounted the canning jar next to the radiator and plumbed it to the carb on a ported vacuum port. Of course I am still using the carb, doubt I can get around that. But I am looking to see if I can get some better mileage. I have tweaked this car from 11.2 to 15.7. Never have gotten above that. Hope this works!
jeffmclowry 6 months ago
@jeffmclowry: Very cool! Keep us posted on your progress!
sunny5rising 6 months ago
That part with the broken rope is pretty funny!
jeffmclowry 7 months ago
@jeffmclowry: Thanks!
sunny5rising 7 months ago
That engine runs pretty damn smooth for this type of engine. Pretty damn impressive!
jeffmclowry 7 months ago
@jeffmclowry: Yeah, I was surprised at how smooth it was right off the bat. Once you get the mixture just right, it just hums right along.
sunny5rising 7 months ago
how does this make a difference? i always thought that the fuel that went into an engine vaporised then combusted anyways so isnt it just the same thing?
oliverjamescarr 10 months ago
@oliverjamescarr: Unfortunately, the vaporization of gasoline is far from complete when using the conventional carburetor or the common fuel injection system. The evidence is in the fact that there are carbon monoxide emissions in the exhaust AND the existence of the automotive catalytic converter. Keep in mind that liquid gasoline does not burn, only gasoline vapors do. The systems mentioned above introduce liquid gasoline into the engine, of which only part of it becomes vaporized and used.
sunny5rising 10 months ago
@oliverjamescarr NO, it is NOT the same thing. With fuel injection, the fuel goes into the cylinders as a mist which, is still a liquid. The vapor from fuel is actually a gas. Big difference. With fuel injection, you pump the source of the vapor into the cylinder for combustion, therby reducing the life span of the vapor source. The other method pumps the by-product of liquid fuel (vapor) into the cylinder, thereby extending the life of the vapor source.
BlindInTexas911 6 months ago
I Agree with pgflyjoe it would be a good idea to see what the comparison of regular carburation V Fumes consuption is, Looks like once you get it running sweet that you should connect the two valves via a rod to see if eaqual ajustment on both is the key to carburation using the vapours(if you understand what i mean) I have been experimenting with Propane conversions on B & S engines its all good fun and interesting.
Great job and great video keep up the innovation
dadedubbledee 1 year ago
Nice. I wish I could even get to your point.I have the same configuration as you, but I can't seem to get my engine to run on fuel vapor without cheating. (By tipping the gasoline jar over and the intake just 'sipping' the bubbles). Keep up the good work! Want to see more!
Trai1Blaz3r 1 year ago
Thanks for the compliment. Try adding more gasoline to your jar until you can run the engine without cheating, lol. It sounds to me like you might be too lean, since tipping the jar and sipping the bubbles does work. My Pt2 will cover this. For comparison, my engine is a 5 hp and in this video, I am running 3/8ID line, and having my jar about 1/3 full seems to work good with the engine under no load. I did not mention that in the video.
sunny5rising 1 year ago
If, on the other hand, you already have a lot of gasoline in the jar, try taking some out to make it leaner. The more gasoline in the jar, makes the vapor mixture richer, less gasoline makes the vapor leaner. Either extreme will cause the engine not to run. You just have to find your setup's sweet spot
sunny5rising 1 year ago
@sunny5rising Thanks man! You're awesome! I got it working! well running i mean. lol
Trai1Blaz3r 1 year ago
EXCELLENT!!! Glad you got it running!
sunny5rising 1 year ago
nice job on video did you now dc motors when spolled by hand or by a drill or added to a cars pully system make curent like a genarator learned about it from reaserch on wind power you cant hook the juice to the cares charging system it will fry the baterie you run it strait to hho cell tell every one the faster it spolles the more curent i use a razor scootor motor but seen vid on a tread mill motor i thought they were ac but the video said dc make a video please
zuseable 1 year ago
have you timed a certain volume to see how long it will run? say like a cup? Think you might damage the engine by running it so lean? Two cycle oil didnt foul plug?
Thanks
Joe
pgflyjoe1 2 years ago
No, I have not timed any specific volumes for run time yet. Getting the system to work under load is my main goal right now. No, I'm not at all worried about running the engine lean. The combustion characteristics are different with fumes than with conventional gasoline carbs and fuel injection systems which send in a partially liquid gasoline charge (liquid gasoline does not burn, only the fumes/vapors do). No, did not foul plug. I was not burning the oil, just the fumes of the oil/gas mix.
sunny5rising 2 years ago
Hey so how much longer does it run on fumes VS carburation? Thanks
pgflyjoe1 2 years ago
Not sure. I have not put the carb back on to test that. I'm still working on the vapor system and the making of PT2.
sunny5rising 2 years ago
How is the HHO experiment goin?
mjdeslon 2 years ago
I built a different HHO system for my 99Durango. All high current systems are under the hood, while still retaining complete control from the cab. Built a new generator which is based partly on what is known as the Joe Cell. This new cell is twice as efficient as the ole Magdrive tube. Anyway, we'll see how that all goes when the snow stops falling.
sunny5rising 2 years ago
DITTO...it IS about time you put out another video...love this stuff...keep 'em coming!
mrjamestferguson 2 years ago 2
Thanks!
sunny5rising 2 years ago
Thank you, Glad you enjoy them!
sunny5rising 2 years ago
About time, love your fun vids!
vlad4video 2 years ago