Critical BJJ Technique - Cody McKenzie/Jon Jones Guillotine Choke

[dennisrayso]

THats not Jet li, we're not that stupid

[BrosephLax]

Jones choke was more of a darce choke cuz jones came up under the arm and not around only the neck

[carlos0259774]

Thumbs up if you came here after watching Jon vs Machida !!

[pervertedpenguin69]

@carlos0259774 yes unfortunately . i am a huge machida fan

[carlos0259774]

@pervertedpenguin69 Yeah Me too ! That's too bad he got choked out. He is a very smart fighter.

[bogoio]

@carlos0259774 I'm gonna get bashed but for me Machida still the better fighter, its only that Jones is abnormally too big and strong, I really don't know how that guy can make 205lbs, its almost a lie

[adoboFosho]

Could have fooled me. I thought he was Jackie Chan.

[ryantae3233]

HE IS NOT THE SAME GUY.

[PaulrusK2]

Jet Li looks different from his action movies

[thatkindofguy234]

@PaulrusK2 lol I dont think it's the one from the movies :P

[BELAGAAL]

Who is this guy questioning you? Fckn keyboard warriors

[megaman8100]

Jet Li looks special.

[Alican133]

wait was that THE jet li?

[matrix31003]

It's not the use of the arms that changes much, its the application of the choke itself that changes the angle and the pressure.

[derpityherpderpherp]

@matrix31003 Professional MMA fighter? SHERDOG LINK! High level BJJ guy? PICTURE OF YOUR BELT! Anyways, this choke is fine, my palm to palm is weak so I prefer using this choke because I'm able to push instead of pull.

[matrix31003]

@derpityherpderpherp I sent you the link. For some reason, it doesn't let me post URL's in this comment page.

[matrix31003]

it's not letting me post the URL

[matrix31003]

Here's a video that has some of the super basic principles I am referring to. When Renzo is pulling up on his hand towards his shoulder, that angle is what will cut off the carotids putting the guy to sleep. Keep in mind, this is a BASIC technique video and does not go in to any advanced application.

[matrix31003]

just because people refer it to interchangeably, does not make it correct. A choke is a cutoff of blood supply to the brain. A strangle is a trachea crush or cutting off of the air supply. As stated previously, an experienced bjj practitioner can survive this. If you do a guillotine choke correctly, the opponent will pass out. Which one is better? A choke where if someone doesn't tap, they pass out, or a strangle where an experienced BJJ guy or someone with a strong neck can survive?

[asid101010]

@matrix31003 and if u cut off the air supply by a 'strangle' then u are cutting off the air for the blood.. what happens when u choke on food.. u PASS OUT.. the carotids are fine.. but cut of the air to the brain no matter how it happens = go to sleep. now blood chokes are faster but its the same goal cutt off oxygen to the brain. u dont need to sit there and go on about an experience practitioner. if he cant breath from a proper choke, it dont matter how many reps he has put in.

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 the basic idea on the submission is incorrect. I know because I used to do it that way for many years, until I met some really nasty black belts who showed me otherwise. I actually had a lot of my techniques revisited and relearned a ton of them.

I shouldn't even be telling you this information since you are not a student at my school, in all honesty. That's fine, you want to believe you are correct. Go for it chief.

[asid101010]

the guillotine is an air choke or a trachea chock. so wouldnt turning ur wrist like that to block the carotid and pushing in and squeezing take the power off the crushing of the trachea which is the entire point of this choke?

Thanks a lot keep it coming ur instruction is great, clear and enjoyable. cheers.

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 A guillotine choke is exactly that.....a choke...A choke means that blood is being cut off to the brain which leads to your opponent being put to sleep. If a choke is applied correctly, it should take about 3 seconds for the person to sleep.

A strangle is a trachea cutoff and that is not what a guillotine choke is supposed to do. Hope that answers your question.

[asid101010]

@matrix31003 a guillotine is pulling back with the blade of ur forearm, as u are thumb up, (up across their trachea) that makes it a respiratory choke not a vascular one, as ur not cutting off either carotid artery. ur crushing the trachea. so back to my original question why turn the wrist in? unless ur slide their neck against ur bicep similar to a coma choke (no arm D'arce) then u will only be cutting of the one side carotid with ur hand.

thanks :)

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 Yea, I used to do it that way, but later I found out that was incorrect. A good choke (again, a choke is when blood is cut off from the brain) will put your opponent to sleep if he doesn't tap. A strangle (again, crushing the trachea or cutting off air) can be survived by a strong athlete or an experienced jiu-jitsu practitioner...sure it sucks and it can hurt, but it can be survived. When I do the guillotine, if my opponent doesn't tap, he's going to sleep, thus guillotine CHOKE

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 the reason you even have a question here is because you aren't doing your guillotine correctly. You turn your wrist in to further tighten around the carotid arteries....I'm just curious, how many years of BJJ do you have and what belt are you?

[asid101010]

@matrix31003

My question wasnt based on my guillotine being incorrect, it was in regards to his. Now a respiratory choke cuts of the air flow to the lungs therefor to the blood and therefor to the brain.. they will still pass out. a blood choke just does it much quicker. Check out Scott sullivan's "Stranlge hold DVD" . Plenty of people refer to chokes and strangles interchangeably.

as for the guillotine, check this video at 26 seconds from sub101 watch?v=lh2y2TqALyc

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 watching that video, I see that the guy performing the technique is doing it in a white belt sense. He's doing it incorrectly. He's laying straight back, which is the cardinal "no no" in terms of doing a correct guillotine choke. Again, I ask, what belt are you?

[asid101010]

@matrix31003

if u are looking for me to tell u my belt so u can in hopes trump it with yours i remind you we are sitting in front of a keyboard. so c0c|< measuring contests can be saved for the mat. When u do a guillotine, yes u turn to the side as u arch back, but that still doesnt change the fact there is the blade of the forearm across the trachea. so i ask what part of ur body is cutting off the carotid arteries when u use ur high level belt and preform a guillotine.

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 I ask your belt to garner an idea of your experience level. I'd be surprised if you were anything other than a white belt or a no gi guy. You are misinforming people in an arrogant manner and its silly for you to sit here and state information you heard in a video and repeating it as if its gospel. You are incorrect and the video you posted is one of the worst examples of how to do a guillotine......period. I dno't really care to be honest. Just find it funny.

[asid101010]

@matrix31003

So nogi guys are just like whitebelts? thats what ur saying? That by wearing a guy to practice rather than NoGi makes u better?

and no im not takin information from a video and using that as my knowledge i was just simply supplying a video to demonstrate what i was saying. Again when u perform ur Gi high level guillotine i ask what part of ur body is cutting off both carotid arteries to make it a vascular choke? since i am "miss informing people" please inform myself and others

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 They are white belts because they have no belt. Typically a no gi guy's knowledge isn't super clean technique, however, there are some out there that they are good, but most of those come from a gi background. And yes, wearing and training in a gi makes you a better BJJ practitoner. Look at all of the BJJ world champions and see which ones train in the gi or come from a gi background....I've also taken the liberty of a doing a survey a few years back of all area BJJ blackbelts

[asid101010]

@matrix31003 See now u are being ignorant. Nogi still has belts, they just dont wear them. there is the same belting system as gi. and nogi has become popular in recent years it takes many years to receive a black belt, so the nogi guys who are coming up are not are not at the level of the guys winning the competitions who starting with gi because nogi wasnt popular then. but dont sit there and state that wearing a gi makes u better.. at gi yes, at nogi incorrect and ignorant.

[asid101010]

@matrix31003 im still blown away by someone who claims to have so many years training will be UN-humble enough to state that nogi guys are like white belt

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 I train no gi and I am a professional fighter in MMA. I have years of muay thai experience as well. I'm speaking from experience on this matter with many many guys that I've trained with. I've done the research and I've done the surveys. I've investigated the question of the gi in regards to MMA as well as pure no gi jiu-jitsu. The issue here is that you don't really understand exactly what I'm saying. Do you train at all? and what do you train? What's your experience?

[asid101010]

@matrix31003 profession MMA fighter eh? u got a name? because if ur pro then u are on the pro stream circuit so thats great! and done survey's ? are u trying to become a fighter or a politician?  im still waiting for u to just explain what on YOUR guillotine is cutting of the blood flow from both carotids.. im sitting here trying to learn and u seem reluctant to tell me. and yes i train thanks, but unfortunately my danglers aren't as large as yours but that doesnt mean I'm ignorant to say

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 I'm not trying to come off like that, but you seemed arrogant in your first few posts and the information you were stating is a common mistake in the application of the guillotine. I did surveys because I wanted to know what all these black belts thought on the subject....it was more of an experiment. I'm an engineer so that's why I think like that.

As far as the technique goes, I already told you that the video I found to show the technique will not let me post the URL

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 including Luta Livre black belts who have a lifetime of not training in the gi......they all stated that training in the gi makes you a better practitioner.

[asid101010]

@matrix31003 the point of the vid i posted was the fact that he says the guillotine is a respiratory choke.

[matrix31003]

@asid101010 and as stated previously, given the manner in which the guy did a guillotine in his video, I'd say his information is flawed at best. I wouldn't take any information away from the that video at all.

FYI - my knowledge comes from a 19 year BJJ black belt practitioner who is competition tested. I am also a higher level BJJ guy and I train almost everyday.....

[drue28k]

Nice variation.

[Thulgore]

McKenzie uses both hands open.....no fist. .......I believe.

[G0DatC0D]

its like a dan severn rear naked from guard

[timjirgenson]

Liam looks good on camera x