The video's from 9/11 were analyzed and look like they are composites, cgi enhanced, and edits. People saw small planes and missiles hit the towers also. Whatever anyone thinks they saw, all they had to do was look at the news to have their belief "confirmed". Google ae911truth for the truth about how the buildings fell. Google "pilots for 911 truth" for more on the reality passenger jets were not used.
see "September Clues" video that shows how ALL the videos from 9/11 are fraudulent.
This is how the Gov't, with compliance of the TV Networks, "sold" the lie of passenger planes hitting towers. You believers of the Gov't story need to get off the Kool-aid
@Denierbud11 I'm sure you never watched all 90 minutes of this revealing doc and are so certain that 19 terrorists hijacked 4 airliners that no other facts are required. Keep on drinking the cool-aid, sucker.
I don't have to go to the moon to know its not made of cheese, and no youtube video is going to convince me its made of cheese
you on the other hand, believe that thousands of witnesses are wrong, and the physical evidence is fake, every media outlet in the world is in on it, and only the voices in your head know the truth
"September Clues" video .. shows how ALL the videos from 9/11 are fraudulent"
Sure, kid. And "all the big people in the world are such meanies!"
Puberty's tough, ain't it.
Why don't you put a cork in it until the hormones settle down. Soon enough it'll be your turn in the barrel, when the snot-nosed young'uns are explaining to you why "everyone over 30, including you, is stupid, evil, sell-out, etc."
Then it'll be your turn to write sarcastic, patronizing posts.
The Pentagon was hit at the point farthest from the military leadership (NMCC etc),in a section mostly empty (4 of 5 normally there weren't),in the only section with fire sprinklers and the only one with walls reinforced with a web of steel & kevlar designed to withstand bomb blasts & contain debris.It was struck perfectly to contain wreckage within the building & minimize penetration.This is evidence 911=inside job.911 doubled defense spending & allowed us to invade the Middle East.Inside job!
The Farrer test is rather like another famous conspiracy expert, Fred Leuchter, of Holocaust denier fame, did the same when he tested for residue gas
basically showed the world he had no frigging idea what he was doing, was destroyed on the stand -- but Holocaust deniers are like truthers, once a lie is spoken, its gospel, no matter how often it is rebuted
LOL the only idiot around here is you thinking that it is true, the focus is on thermite and iron-rich microspheres, why don't you go on the no-plane videos and talk to them, they would be right up your alley. If you can't put together a solid arguement together, then fk off twoofer.
They are not different materials. Millette chose his chips to match Harrit's samples a-d. Millette is a long established, experienced professional. He knows how to do this.
And that is exactly the reason for the discrepancy:
Millette is a pro, who knows has done this 1000x before.
Harrit & Jones & Farrer & Gourley & Ryan etc. are all incompetent amateurs who never did it 1x before this fiasco.
The materials in Harrit's & Millette's samples are either different or one or other has erred. There's no way of determining which from the information we have. Simply saying that one is right and the other is wrong is a bare assertion. The material in Harrit's sample contains elemental Al, swells in MEK soak and is exothermic. The Millette material doesn't contain metallic Al, softens in MEK and is not exothermic. You don't know (and neither do I) why the data is different. (2)
(2) Claiming that Harrit et al are "incompetent amateurs" makes no difference to their data. If you truly claim to want to use science to find out, this is the chance - it involves more testing - that is how science works. Google and watch: The Richard Dimbleby Lecture 28/02/2012 Sir Paul Nurse.
When more testing is done, to determine what the red chips are (and whether Millette or Harrit are mistaken or, in their testing or by chance or fraud, have tested different materials
(6) We can use science to decide because either these samples are different materials OR Harrit OR Millette have erred. If they’re different materials, is this the result of fraud? If so, which one? If Millette’s samples have had (non-WTC) paint added, then that would be easy to achieve – particularly when it doesn’t match the WTC paint. However, if Harrit et al seeded their samples, the question would have to be, “where on Earth did they get the material to do so?”
(5)So, we have what appear to be TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS. Millette appears to be some sort of coating, but one that “does not match the primer paint formula used on iron column members in the World Trade Centre”. Harrit’s appear to be some form of highly-engineered energetic material.
So, game on! This is where science comes into its own. More testing! Harrit et al and Millette send samples to each other and BOTH send samples to additional, mutually agreed laboratories. (6)
@ThePeage I have seen Mohr and others talking about the so called "Lead Paint" in forums and they didn't even really care about it, this was back in 2007, it's not that big of a glitch.
@ThePeage You tried to bring up the lead paint theory. You're trying to say that Millette made a big deal out of the lead paint but he didn't, go onto a forum and discuss things instead of wiki, it's better.
There is no point discussing this. Science can now sort it out. We have two scientists making different claims about what superficially appears to be the same material. One or other is in error, or there is fraud by one or the other. It won't be decided by "debate" - this is a scientific question and can be solved through science.
superficially, appear to be the same material. Analysis done by Harrit et al shows material that contains elemental aluminium particles, Millette’s does not. The red layer in Harrit’s sample swells when soaked in MEK, in Millette’s, the red layer softened. Most importantly, the red chips in Harrit’s sample are exothermic and, though an appropriate test was not conducted by Millette, the composition and properties of the chips he tested suggest it would not react exothermically. (4)
Because there's no apparent chemical mechanism. If there's no elemental Al, a thermitic reaction would appear to be out of the question. Of course, if you're suggesting an energetic reaction IS possible, I wonder if that is why no appropriate test was conducted by Millette? If the chips in his samples had reacted exothermically, then the question would still be "what is this material?" because "exploding paint" would be every bit as dangerous as "exploding nanothermite"!
(2) had investigated the dust previously, in 2002. That way, a rebuttal paper would have emerged within a few weeks of Harrit’s if the findings were different.
Having said that, I want to thank Mr. Mohr. The debate is now on. The Harrit paper is less likely to be “buried” because we now have the possibility science working the way it should – the way it should have done from September 11th 2001….
We have two laboratories producing different results and conclusions on what, (3)
@ThePeage Why are you trying to debate with Chris Mohr, he is over your head. That is like me, trying to go up against Richard Cage, never will happen, the so called secret documents you seem to find over the net are bullshit, secret documents are in secret files and on locked computers, don't try and tell me you've found a paper that no one has hardly taken a look at, please Paege.
What "secret documents"? Millette is the third author on this paper -
"Characterization of the Dust/Smoke Aerosol that settled east of the World Trade Centre (WTC) in Lower Manhatten after the collapse of the WTC 11 September 2001
Environmental Health Perspectives. Vol. 10. Number 7. July 2002 p 703
Who actually owned the samples tested by Millette? i.e. who authorised their use?
If Dr. Millette owned them, why did it take nearly three years and the offer of even one dollar to stimulate his professional integrity and/or his personal curiosity when the Harrit paper had claimed the dust contained thermitic material?
Any honest chemist with ownership of samples and an appropriately equipped lab. would have tested his samples without delay, particularly when that SAME SCIENTIST (2)
@ThePeage Well he could have done tests on Kevin Ryans dust, which is what Jones used aswell but they would not give it to him, thats a little bit rediculas if you ask me. Are they trying to hide something. Jim Millette is on the fence and this is known, why would he lie and not collect good dust samples, im sure his source is proper.
Why did he ask for Ryan's samples when he clearly had some available to him? Why did Mohr claim Millette was "independent" when he had already tested the dust (for the government) in 2002? I'm pleased you believe his source is "proper". Sadly, believing something doesn't make it true. As I say in my posts below - game on!
@ThePeage Because then Millette would have the exact dust samples that Jones and Ryan had, wouldn't it make sense to test the sames samples since they're so incriminating? yessss, why do you ask stupid question. "Sadly, believing something doesn't make it true. As I say in my posts below - game on!" maybe you should take a big dose of your own medicine. Game on? please, Public domain... for idiots.
Of course not. I think Ryan did EXACTLY the right thing. I think it is fantastic. The SCIENTIFIC debate is on. I wonder that Millette took three years to find/analyse those samples and he must be pretty hard up if it took $1,000 to stimulate his curiosity but still, I don't know who made the error (and neither do you) and if not error but fraud, I don't know who is guilty of that either (and neither do you). We can use science to settle it.
@ThePeage You said "we can use science to settle it twice", you keep trying to debate, why? Oh and a news flash for you Paege, Mohr got into contact with Jim Millette and asked him to do the science, Mohr contacted Millette, so Mohr came up with a thousand which was raised and Jim Millette actually donated atleast another 1000 out of his own pocket, so why do you try and turn the story by saying "he must be pretty hard up if it took $1,000 to stimulate his curiosity"
@ThePeage Millette is on the fence and sides with no side, Millette went over all the information about the dust tests and said "ok i'll do the tests" Millette didn't come up with the idea so don't try and put anything on him, saying he's a liar or sketchy.
@pigeonpsycho eventualy 7 more buildings had to be demolished in the WTC complex. WTC 5 had 4-5 floors collapse due to fire on 9/11 aswell. 1,2 and 7 were also the biggest buildings in the complex.
2 world trade center collapses first, but why? The plane hit it second. The plane also struck building 2 lower, leaving more floors (more weight) above the impact zone, which means more stress at the impact zone and the load bearing walls on several floors. The load bearing walls were on the outer perimeter of the twin towers, not the center like some people claim.
@86Blessed86 The fucking building started to tip 22 degrees off center and then disappeared in the smoke instead of falling, intact, on the side of the main collapsing structure.
@djundadawg Disappeared? The fucking building is made of steel, steel does not turn to dust, cement turns to dust, yes. 1 billion pounds at 180mph, getting pulled down by gravity will do that. What did you expect the buildings to do? Fall over like a tree. The actual tops of the buildings above the plane impact were slowly leaning over more and more before the initial collapse.
@Denierbud11 Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed inconspicuously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.
@Denierbud11 Separate from the WTC towers investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially).
@86Blessed86 Listen, the damn building tilted to the side and crumbled in the debris from the explosions. That's not an opinion, you can obviously see the shit happening in front of your eyes. Anyone who looks at that day and don't see anything foul is being ludicrous. It's ridiculous to argue when you see all of this evidence
@djundadawg You don't have any real evidence and when you do, ill debate with you, if all you can say is, "it had to be an inside job" but with no proof, then why are we talking? how do you think the inside job went down?
@86Blessed86 No real evidence! There is much evidence out. Just look at how won't no media, politicians, or anybody of political position address the truth movement. You want e vidence, look operation Northwoods. Need more than that
@djundadawg operation northwoods was in declassified in 1997 so "they" would not use that plan also it was created for a 1962 world..........and if your gona look at that there is operation mongoose operation castro operation freedomfighter the phoenix program......plus all the SAD(special activities division) of the CIA that should keep you busy for a year or two enjoy
@staywithaces1984 This has nothing to do with all the other black operations. It only has relevance with northwoods. That operation shows they have the capacity to carry out these shameful incidents. So you look at that capacity for treason, signed by high ranking officials, and still believe the official story? Keep researching. I find more and more out as I keep searching. Hope that you see, but I can't force you to. Be ready to defend the next 9/11.
@djundadawg February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba.1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident-the spark that led to America's long war in Vietnam-was largely staged or provoked by U.S. officials in order to build up congressional and public support for American involvement.
@djundadawg COINTELPRO was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by FBI aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. The FBI used covert operations from its inception, however formal COINTELPRO operations took place between 1956 and 1971. The FBI's stated motivation at the time was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order."
@djundadawg Operation Paperclip was the code name for the 1945 Office of Strategic Services, Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency recruitment of Nazi scientists from Germany to the U.S. after VE Day.President Truman authorized Operation Paperclip in August 1945. They were all cleared to work in the U.S. after having their backgrounds "bleached" by the military; false employment histories were provided, and their previous Nazi affiliations were expunged from the record.
@djundadawg Big Brother is also called the Deep State. A shadow government is a "government-in-waiting" that remains in waiting with the intention of taking control of a government in response to some event.It turned out this was true on 9/11, when it was told to us by our mainstream media.For years, this was ridiculed as a silly, crazy conspiracy theory and, like the others listed here, turned out to be 100% true.It is also called the Continuity of Government.
@staywithaces1984 First off, brother. No need to explain these operations to me. I know about everyone you mentioned. What I am asking you is, after all this bullshit you just mentioned, do you believe the official story? Back in the 50's, there were people doing just like you're doing now in response to those conspiracies. What would it take, man?
Does anyone know that 5 floors collapsed in WTC 5? perhaps another mind game of the government to suck you into their game lol, truthers get a grip and tell me why they would use thermite or explosives to bring down 5 floors in building 5? perhaps they had some left over.
@ThePeage This is my 3rd message, please read the other ones i have left. The 93' bombing was in the basement which is more or less like a bunker, hence - attacking it from above because it can't be destroyed from the basement. Did you know that WTC 5 had 4-5 floors collapse in it?? perhaps just another mind game used by the government, you tell me? why would up to 5 floors give way in WTC 5?? answer that please.
@86Blessed86 "The 93' bombing was in the basement which is more or less like a bunker, hence - attacking it from above because it can't be destroyed from the basement."
Behave. The Closer to the foundations the damage is the worse. A truck of explosives thankfully wasn't enough to do unrepairable damage. But damage enough columns in the basement and the whole building could topple over as all 110 stories wouldn't be supported by the foundations properly.
I hadn't seen your comments - not trolling enough - clearly!!! Thermite is not "extremely flammable" so everything else that follows is based on an incorrect foundation.
When you have corrected your misconception about the "flammability" (omg!) of thermite, please post your evidence that Harrit lied about Tillotson's DCS test. I am still waiting.
@ThePeage fire can ignite it quite quickly Paege. I sent you a message explaining that. You brang Tillitson into the conversation when i wasn't talking about him, Millette is the chemist, you're trying to run away with this Tillitson thing, but it isn't happening. Like i said, Jim Millette and there is a forum with Chris Mohr raising money to pay for Millette to do tests. good try though.
"Characterization of the Dust/Smoke Aerosol that settled east of the World Trade Centre (WTC) in Lower Manhatten after the collapse of the WTC 11 September 2001
Environmental Health Perspectives. Vol. 10. Number 7. July 2002 p703
and, lo and behold, who is the third author? A certain James R. Millette!
So, Millette, having analysed the dust in 2002 for the US government and having had access to dust samples since at least that time, would have discredited HIMSELF if he had, NOW, found thermitic material. To claim he was "independent" was dishonest in the extreme.
If I wanted to find someone who would be guaranteed NOT to find themitic material after ten years, it would be someone who SHOULD/COULD have found it in 2002 - but didn't.
@ThePeage No one is suggesting charges were left in the buildings, but you are suggesting some kind of chemical explosive was left, maybe thermite? Hmmm... Thermite is extremely flammable and the plane would have to hit the correct floor with complete accuracy, otherwise the building could collapse prematurely, which would ruin the conspiracy full stop, also who would be flying the plane? Would a plane being remotely flown have the preciseness to do this, or what? What do you think?
@86Blessed86 "Thermite is extremely flammable and the plane would have to hit the correct floor with complete accuracy, otherwise the building could collapse prematurely"
Thermite is actually quite difficult to ignite. It needs to be nearly white hot too react, so flames would not set off the reaction. Magnesium strip is a common fuse but if thermite was put in those buildings, I doubt it would have been used and I also doubt conventional thermite would have been used.
@86Blessed86 Conventional thermite is basically metal and an oxidiser. It needs to be white hot or near to it to start the reaction. Hence why sparklers or magnesium strips are used to ignite it and not a match. You can make a mixture of thermite ignite with matches, but if they did put thermite in those buildings... Do you think they would put that mixture in there, knowing that a plane would be crashing into it?
@tomwils92 thermite is self oxidizing and does not need ambient oxygen to burn.... it would still have been burning after the collapse nobody reported that it on ground level......besides thermite cant cut sideways to melt(cut) vertical columns
@staywithaces1984 I am fully aware that it is self oxidizing, which is why I said it is made of metal and an oxidizer. If it was set off to demolish the building, the reaction would be finished by the time people got there. Thermite can cut or melt sideways, all you need to do is direct the energy. Thermite has been used in demolition before. It is just a very rare case as it isn't the best thing to use.
Of course they did! Haven't you ever seen the NASA thermal images taken about a week after 9/11? This is one of the reasons some type of energetic (and thermite in particular) was suspected in the first place - before it was looked for (but not by NIST!). The temperatures in the debris under 1, 2 & 7 are HUGE and remained so for weeks. The fires weren't put out until 12/12/01.
@ThePeage Wrong.....There is absolutely no reason to link heat with explosives. Explosives are special because they release energy at once, at high speed, not because of their heat. It will be interesting to see you explain how residual heat from explosives can increase with time.
I think you are arguing against your own position here. The red chips, if thermitic, are (by definition) the NT that did not react for some reason in the way they were "meant" to. However, there would be likely to be some material that would continue to react (not in the way intended) just as there are some chips that did not react at all and some which reacted in the DSC. Some of these "secondary reactions" could account for the high temperatures in the debris.
@tomwils92 There was no thermite in the buildings at all. Harrits paper with Jones and the likes of Kevin Ryan have done studies on red chips that they thought was thermite, Jim Millette has also done tests and it came back negative. Harrits paper is false, they wouldn't give any of their samples to Jim Millette so he could do tests on their dust samples, instead they denied it constantly, why would you deny a chemist to do tests when you want people to know the truth.
@tomwils92 Yes false, because you know what kind of thermite was used? why would they use the less flamable thermite, wouldn't you think they would want it to ignite easy, just incase it didn't? other wise this big conspiracy you think happened wouldn't have panned out and it would have been a waste to fly planes into the twin towers.
@86Blessed86 No. But if they did put thermite in there, it would be incredibly idiotic to put a mixture in there that could be set off prematurely by the fires that would be the result of a plane crashing into the building. A demolition is a very tricky operation which they would need full control of. Not controlled by an organic fire. Use some common sense. And do you think they would use some powders they bought off the Internet or would they use something a bit more high tech?
@tomwils92 Speaking of common sense, I think a jet fuelled fire would set any kind of thermite of smart one. Second of all, one the strong holds that the 9/11 truth movement actually has is “thermite” and “spheres” a controlled demolition was debunked years ago, only idiots argue about controlled demolition these days. I doubt very much that a scientist would buy his chemicals over the internet.
@kingg213 - Oh your a "truther" - that explains the foul mouthed shouting, ill informed comment you left for me in support of destroying Allied war graves. So 9/11 was an inside job was it and the Muslims should destroy WW2 war graves and you actually say you would be doing the same. What a piece of work you are.
@86Blessed86 "I think a jet fuelled fire would set any kind of thermite"
You think? Well you are wrong. Like I said before... Most thermites need to reach white hot or near white hot temperatures in or for the reaction to start. You think jet fuel fires burn white hot?
"I doubt very much that a scientist would buy his chemicals over the internet."
The point of what I said was that if thermite was used, they wouldn't use something that is readily available to make yourself.
@tomwils92 The initial explosion would have had a temperature around 2000 degrees for at least a moment. You can also ignite thermite from a pulse, a fuse or even a sparkler or many other ways, i could have said it was hard to ignite, then you would have said, "no you can light thermite with a sparkler derr". Get of wikipedia and learn shit first hand before you comment. The internet call was stupid, just because a mixture of thermite can light easier, doesn't meen its cheaper.
@ThePeage I see your trolling, trying turn everyone into the "truth movement". You are wrong about the media, i live in Australia and every channel that covered or covers 9/11 stories are mainstream, i don't know who you are trying to fool with this media nonsense.
Multiple high-speed explosive charges were registered by digital and analogue video soundtracks. A Fourier transform on the high-speed explosive sounds recorded at ground zero produces the same spectral distribution exhibited by high-speed cutters, while the same attack, sustain, decay and release envelope is evident in the waveform.
"PART OF NIST REPORT"....Simulations of the behavior of each tower on
September 11, 2001, in four steps:
The aircraft impact into the tower, the resulting distribution of aviation fuel, and the damage to the structure, partitions, thermal insulation materials, and building contents.
The evolution of multi-floor fires.The heating and consequent weakening of the structural elements by the fires...Con't-2...
@TheDrac3000.Part-2.The response of the damaged and heated building structure, and the progression of structural component failures leading to the initiation of the collapse of the towers//..investigators advanced the state-of-the-art in the measurement of construction material properties and in structural finite element modeling. New modeling capability was developed for the mapping of fire-generated environmental temperatures onto the building structural components...(In other words..it's BS)
Skyride tower, referred to at 12:14 of this video, was just that, a tower - rather like an electrical tower
in otherwords, there was no obstruction in reaching the steel, and there is no similaritiy between a steel tower and a steel framed building -- the mechanics differ greatly!
@helicopterraids The words I used in my post about jubilant Urban Moving Systems men, and explosives experts from the IDF--per the U.S. DEA report, discussed on Fox and published on Cryptome--were derived from the primary source reports, and not from my imagination as you so dishonestly portray. Your insistence on a fictional version of history is deeply insulting to those who can read, and those who weren't born literally yesterday.
they are not looking for the truth in a rational, informed and critical sense, they are looking for something to believe in and to understand. when logic and reason interferes with passion and believe they usually chose passion and belief because logic and reason proves to them that they've duped themselves.
belief= building 7 falls at faster tan free-fall speed, as if explosives were "pushing it down" faster than free-fall physics = illogical.
@helicopterraids Check out his other videos in which he conducts experiments with explosives and explores the laws of physics. As he puts it, if your theory doesn't match experimentation, then it's wrong. He also invites viewers to disprove him with experiments of their own.
The jubilant Israeli men caught filming the attack while in possession of false passports and "maps linking them to the bombing plot," who failed polygraphs, and who were shipped back to the gangster hideout apartheid state of Israel under pressure applied by Mayor Ehud Olmert of Jerusalem and Mayor Ghoul of New York, proves nothing at all about the U.N.
They didn't work for the UN, they worked for Mossad, URBAN MOVING.
Explosives demolition experts from the IDF were arrested earlier, per DEA.
@Bernadotte01 you obviously added in all those extra "facts" yourself. There's one factoid you can add to your lies - you forgot to add they were flicking cigarette lighters and lighting them and giggling as the towers were bruning. You have my full permission to add that to your next spam phase. But i still wont believe you.
I wanna see the actual FBI report for your dubious claims.
Also i want you to read the entire NIST report - all 10,0000 pages.
"google NIST REPORT 10,000" and you will see consensus from both truther and government cointel supporters that the report is 10,000 pages long.
also, the thermite ive been told by truthers was discovered by FEMA - now aren't they the big evil NWO mass prison camp people? why do truthers trust stuff from FEMA and CNN/FOX so much?
@helicopterraids i got my info from Dr. Shyam Sunder from NIST that said it in a video, and i quote "there are a thousand pages of report". He forgot 9.000 then.
Quote from here: /watch?v=v90RioFSB4M
And no, thermite is no part of official investigations, nor are explosives like i mentioned earlier. That video linked above is also nice to see Dr. Shyan Sunder avoid questions about thermite, doesn't answer a thing, instead decides to "move on" or talk about something else.
@Tripnotik25 he said 1000 pages of reports - with an S. he might be refering to a whole number of separate reports and the NIST report is a culmination of a whole range of reports given by many different agencies.
The problem is that neither you or I know how many pages are in the NIST report. It is obvious that neither you or I have ever held, and therefore never read the NIST report. As a truther your first goal in searching for the truth was to get a copy of the NIST report.
@helicopterraids 9/11 was a fraud man.When an official story have too many holes ,inconsistence and re-told in different ways.and to make it worse contradicts credible witness reports. its because the whole story is a lie ..just youtube.. ( April Gallup /88JQL4esHFg ) a pentagon employee that comes forward suing the government because she and others who worked there saw no commercial airplane inside the pentagon even though she could enter everywhere in the impact zone.
@helicopterraids as i truther, as you call me, i need to look no further than the explosions, even within this video.
What do you hear at 9:04? right, so why does NIST insist on saying nothing was heard or witnessed and doesn't investigate a thing about it?
Same for the molten steel, John Gross saying there was nothing of the sort? please. There is no investigation on such occurrences, so you are expected to believe these reports based on what, faith? thats not how it works.
@Tripnotik25 i heard an explosion - a series of them. but what caused them i dont know. i would have to had been there at the time to know, and I dont think i would have liked to have been.
I heard some explosions but that doesnt mean it was a bomb! you believing on faith that it was an inside job! truthers don't look for answers last - the get the answers first then start asking questions. The questions are framed by the answer- which is 'inside job'.
Correct, and its the official investigations job, to look into it, understand what caused it, BUT, if they searched for explosives, would there be a chance they found remains? the "truthers" from 9/11 truth, collected, thru 3 independent AND separate investigations, thermite residue from the dust from the buildings that day. Why doesn't NIST acknowledge such residue exists and examines such things?
@helicopterraids "The questions are framed by the answer- which is 'inside job'."
People tend to believe that when you come to the understanding that maybe the "official investigation" has something to hide, or so it seems if they are ignoring what you show them, that it could be something more.
If a thorough, proper investigation had taken place from day 1, i can tell you with a high degree of certainty that these "truthers" wouldn't even have grounds to question 9/11.
You heard explosions - you are absolutely right, it doesn't mean it was a bomb - it doesn't mean it wasn't some sort of explosive device (bomb) either. "Truthers" are asking for a proper independent investigation that doesn't deny or ignore evidence and doesn't assume that, because they don't want a blast sound to be a bomb, that it wasn't one. That's what an investigation would do - find out. Don't you see the irony in your comment? You've decided a blast (2)
@ThePeage I think scholars for 911 truth, engineers and architects for 911 truth and pilots for 911 truth should assemble anddo the independent investigation. these truth movements have combined a wealth of theory, practical and technical knowledge. This video of experts even knows better than NIST. it is the ONLY solution.
Without the financial resources to do such an investigation and/or legal power to obtain, say, MIC(NT) samples from the military for comparison? IF individuals within the US government were involved, the only way to investigate it is with the cooperation of honest members of that administration or of a subsequent one and adequate funding. The only way to get that is if a critical mass of citizens call for an investigation. Glad to see you agree we need an investigation.
@ThePeage I dont think we need another investigation because im satisfied that 'the muslims' did it as revenge for US/israel foriegn policy. I know muslism live in caves and cant fly planes but its what i feel. The only real investigation should be why did the Bush administration let the Saudi Arabian royal family get away with organizing the whole thing?
your investigation seems to look like you want the US gov to do another one and admit what you think you already know.
What anyone "feels" should have no part in the investigation - and to base what you believe on how you feel leads to faith and wishful thinking. I don't "feel" anything either way, I am just aware that there is evidence that does not "fit" the "19 hijackers" hypothesis and so, using the scientific method, we revise the hypothesis.
I don't think the US government should do the investigation, I'm saying whoever sanctions the investigation would have to have subpeona power.
hah ha i knew you were going to hook into that word "feel" LMFAO
but i just got convinced. If you search for the video "9-11 Mossad 'Mural Van' - NYPD Police Radio " you'll see the JEWS had the guile to paint the van with a mural of a plane hitting the WTC on the VERY DAY 911 happened.. and the van was blown up on the same day!!
b) "Israeli","Mossad" & "The Jews" are not synonymous terms.
c) At this stage, the "who" is of little importance.
d) I'm English and not blinded by any need to trust the US government. Since "patriotism" enabled people to believe Bush about Iraq, perhaps you should learn from your mistakes and realise that patriotism relies on faith just as blind as that required to believe in creationism.
@ThePeage i was listening to the video and realized that the thermite instantly MELT the steel and make the building implode and turn that steel into dust. when i check about traces of thermite found in the building i thought it was made up until i saw that FEMA (prison camp USA) found it.. and now i believe it.
"Israeli","Mossad" & "The Jews" are not synonymous terms --- but they al do penny pinch and have funny noses. all are killers and zionists
at 1:50 part wtach when the plane strikes the WTC and dylan avery says "whoah whoah whaoh!, bring it back"
I can see by the way he narrates it that he has watched the video a few too many times.. go and check it out yourself- he's an excellent researcher and hero to the victims of 911
(2) sound doesn't mean it was a bomb so you refuse to find out what it WAS. Why? Why would you decide that because it MIGHT not have been a bomb, it wasn't a bomb?
"NIST produces a 10,000-page report claiming to explain the event"
all your associates in teh truth movement are saying it 10,000 pages. because youtube doesnt allow urls to be posted i got that line and googled it so you'd get the 911 review website but one thing i noticed was all the other websites which have plagiarized each other.. recycled the same paragraphs or article
Google "Final Reports from the NIST Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster". It is all there - read and learn and count the pages if you want. Do you really think it makes a jot of difference to the veracity of NIST's reports whether "truthers" claim NIST's reports consisted of 10,000 pages or 100,000 or mistakenly (or even deliberately) claim there were only 10 pages?
"If all "surveillance" is in compliance. The US caught Israelis belonging to the mossad filming it, and dancing as it happened, is one of the evidence."
The Israelis filming only proves the UN and and some of the most powerful people in the world live in New York . On any day of the week there are people filming in new York. there are some right right now as you read this who is shooting video of New York, and dancing is not evidence of anything but dancing that's why they called dancing.
Why let facts or reason stop you. I am sure anyone can get the type of access needed to wire two building with 7/24 surveillance containing banks and trading firms with there own security in the heart of the New York City and the Pentagon with tons of explosive and no one would notice. Sure, our own government would do all this and get hundreds of people to go along is a much simpler answer then terrorism.
@Ravengreen1967 it is actually. If all "surveillance" is in compliance, how hard is that to pull off really? what kind of logic is that you're trying to make.
And everyone also agrees that people that are true to America had nothing to do with 9/11, instead, a group that clearly does not have the best intentions for the US, but still within the govt.
Zionists, the US caught Israelis belonging to the mossad filming it, and dancing as it happened, is one of the evidence.
@Ravengreen1967 you should look up Susan Lindauer, and a couple of people did come out saying that within a month of 911 strange sounds could be heard during work, and that piles of dust would mysteriously appear on top of work stations in the mornings.
10,000's worked in those towers 24/7 -- the buildings were never unoccupied, and not one security guard, not one maintenance man, not one tenant ever reported seeing this massive work that must have been going on to rig hundreds of thermite cutters
@Denierbud11 you're completely wrong about everything you said. Strange sounds were heard and specific floors were kept locked during the day time, no workers in the towers between 3am - 7am. The dust reported was described as the kind of dust you get if you drill a hole in concrete. The sounds heard were described as if something was moving a very heavy object from one place to another, then dropping it which made a huge bang.
@Denierbud11 soz it was 2:30am - 5am, look up 'missing security tapes from the wtc'. The trucks coming in at that time would have probably just been removing the gold below the towers. Much of the planting of the bombs must have been during the power outs and the renovations of the elevator shafts. For everything else /watch?v=NHJHAp49Lh8
@Denierbud11 so testimony from Will Rodriguez and Gary Corbett is not proof either? If so how do you think they got the bombs in? I mentioned the elevator shaft work which was not done overnight. The 24-36 hour power out could of just been more time to continue that work. what do you think?
at what point in that video does a witness state that there were no tenants permited in the building from 2:30 to 5:00?
and the only person I have seen claiming a power down was Scott Forbes, and when questioned, he admitts that he only certain that it affected the floors his company was on, and that it only affected the tower he was in -- he has no knowledge regarding any other floor or tower.
how many aircraft seats (very strong frame material) & bodies of passengers were found? at least 20 or 30? or none?
nayanmalig 2 hours ago
it was a common sense collapse.
nayanmalig 2 hours ago
george bush is not only a traitor but is a wanted war criminal.
vengencefrom1979 4 hours ago
The video's from 9/11 were analyzed and look like they are composites, cgi enhanced, and edits. People saw small planes and missiles hit the towers also. Whatever anyone thinks they saw, all they had to do was look at the news to have their belief "confirmed". Google ae911truth for the truth about how the buildings fell. Google "pilots for 911 truth" for more on the reality passenger jets were not used.
khunopie 2 days ago 17
see "September Clues" video that shows how ALL the videos from 9/11 are fraudulent.
This is how the Gov't, with compliance of the TV Networks, "sold" the lie of passenger planes hitting towers. You believers of the Gov't story need to get off the Kool-aid
khunopie 3 days ago
@khunopie
"September Clues" video that shows how ALL the videos from 9/11 are fraudulent"
No September clues alleges this, it does not show or prove anything -- its total bullshit and just shows how gullible you are
Denierbud11 2 days ago
@Denierbud11 I'm sure you never watched all 90 minutes of this revealing doc and are so certain that 19 terrorists hijacked 4 airliners that no other facts are required. Keep on drinking the cool-aid, sucker.
Bet you believe in god and santa too.
khunopie 2 days ago
@khunopie
I don't have to go to the moon to know its not made of cheese, and no youtube video is going to convince me its made of cheese
you on the other hand, believe that thousands of witnesses are wrong, and the physical evidence is fake, every media outlet in the world is in on it, and only the voices in your head know the truth
good luck with life
Denierbud11 2 days ago
@khunopie
"September Clues" video .. shows how ALL the videos from 9/11 are fraudulent"
Sure, kid. And "all the big people in the world are such meanies!"
Puberty's tough, ain't it.
Why don't you put a cork in it until the hormones settle down. Soon enough it'll be your turn in the barrel, when the snot-nosed young'uns are explaining to you why "everyone over 30, including you, is stupid, evil, sell-out, etc."
Then it'll be your turn to write sarcastic, patronizing posts.
Like this.
teefkay2 11 hours ago
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@teefkay2 Please tell us more, wise one. Tell us your version of 9/11
khunopie 5 hours ago
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The Pentagon was hit at the point farthest from the military leadership (NMCC etc),in a section mostly empty (4 of 5 normally there weren't),in the only section with fire sprinklers and the only one with walls reinforced with a web of steel & kevlar designed to withstand bomb blasts & contain debris.It was struck perfectly to contain wreckage within the building & minimize penetration.This is evidence 911=inside job.911 doubled defense spending & allowed us to invade the Middle East.Inside job!
waitew 4 days ago
Wolf,
The people that wrote the NIST report were highly respected, experienced engineers, contributing WITHIN their field of expertise.
Unlike water quality inspectors, religious studies professors, particle physicists, lawyers, etc.
Their results have been accepted by the engineering community.
AE911T have produced zippo. They have submitted tho the pro community zippo.
As far as the pro community is concerned, they don't exist.
teefkay2 4 days ago
Oh, this just gets better & better...
forums(dot)randi(dot)org/showpost(dot)php?p=8086911&postcount=2
"Harrit himself admits to never having used the central method of energy dispersive X-ray analysis (EDXA) in his research before his 2009 paper"
No wonder it's such an incompetent paper that they couldn't get it published anywhere except a pay-to-publish vanity journal.
teefkay2 4 days ago
,,inside job, innocent civilians die, america yawns...
=/
wolfdaddy205 4 days ago
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wolfdaddy205 4 days ago
,,and the perps write books and hide out...
wolfdaddy205 4 days ago
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is an agency of the............... U.S. Department of Commerce.
wolfdaddy205 4 days ago
The truther "experts" show their real colors.
Ryan & Jones refuse to share samples for independent confirmation.
Jones has bailed on you. Off to perpetual motion machines & man made earthquakes. Apparently treason & murder ain't so important to him any more.
Harrit says he won't bother reading or replying to Millette's paper.
10 years, 0 papers by ae911t Struct. Engrs.
Now, everyone else bailing out.
Truthers, how's it feel to be betrayed, left swinging in the wind, by your own "experts"?
teefkay2 4 days ago
There was no "Harrit DSC sample". Farrer did the test. IIRC, 1st time he ever used a DSC. Definition of an amateur.
Farrer was so incompetent that he:
1. didn't separate red from gray.
2. ran in in air (not N2 or argon)
3. did not even record which type of chip he used.
So you're requesting that Millette do incompetent testing (mix his samples & run the dsc in air) to match Farrer's UNKNOWN material.
The question: "Are the red/gray chips prevalent in the dust thermite?"
Answer: "No."
teefkay2 5 days ago
@teefkay2
The Farrer test is rather like another famous conspiracy expert, Fred Leuchter, of Holocaust denier fame, did the same when he tested for residue gas
basically showed the world he had no frigging idea what he was doing, was destroyed on the stand -- but Holocaust deniers are like truthers, once a lie is spoken, its gospel, no matter how often it is rebuted
Denierbud11 4 days ago 14
LOL the only idiot around here is you thinking that it is true, the focus is on thermite and iron-rich microspheres, why don't you go on the no-plane videos and talk to them, they would be right up your alley. If you can't put together a solid arguement together, then fk off twoofer.
86Blessed86 6 days ago
BTW, an explanation has been found for the iron-rich microspheres:
alturl(dot)com(slash)sqgso
"the melting temperature of iron particles in the range of a few nanometers lies approximately between 200~400°C compared to 1538°C for bulk iron."
"Melting Point Depression": alturl(dot)com(slash)wnwks
Conclusion: iron nanospheres in office fires? No mystery.
Last 2 "Twoofer gotchas" have just flow away, leaving them holding a giant bag filled with "10 years of vacuous stupidity".
teefkay2 6 days ago
Nobody seeded any samples.
They are not different materials. Millette chose his chips to match Harrit's samples a-d. Millette is a long established, experienced professional. He knows how to do this.
And that is exactly the reason for the discrepancy:
Millette is a pro, who knows has done this 1000x before.
Harrit & Jones & Farrer & Gourley & Ryan etc. are all incompetent amateurs who never did it 1x before this fiasco.
A line-up of Dunning-Kruger poster children.
teefkay2 6 days ago 2
@teefkay2
The materials in Harrit's & Millette's samples are either different or one or other has erred. There's no way of determining which from the information we have. Simply saying that one is right and the other is wrong is a bare assertion. The material in Harrit's sample contains elemental Al, swells in MEK soak and is exothermic. The Millette material doesn't contain metallic Al, softens in MEK and is not exothermic. You don't know (and neither do I) why the data is different. (2)
ThePeage 5 days ago
@teefkay2
(2) Claiming that Harrit et al are "incompetent amateurs" makes no difference to their data. If you truly claim to want to use science to find out, this is the chance - it involves more testing - that is how science works. Google and watch: The Richard Dimbleby Lecture 28/02/2012 Sir Paul Nurse.
When more testing is done, to determine what the red chips are (and whether Millette or Harrit are mistaken or, in their testing or by chance or fraud, have tested different materials
ThePeage 5 days ago
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9/11 was a excuse to take over Middle East oil
justicepartyuk 1 week ago
(6) We can use science to decide because either these samples are different materials OR Harrit OR Millette have erred. If they’re different materials, is this the result of fraud? If so, which one? If Millette’s samples have had (non-WTC) paint added, then that would be easy to achieve – particularly when it doesn’t match the WTC paint. However, if Harrit et al seeded their samples, the question would have to be, “where on Earth did they get the material to do so?”
ThePeage 1 week ago
(5)So, we have what appear to be TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS. Millette appears to be some sort of coating, but one that “does not match the primer paint formula used on iron column members in the World Trade Centre”. Harrit’s appear to be some form of highly-engineered energetic material.
So, game on! This is where science comes into its own. More testing! Harrit et al and Millette send samples to each other and BOTH send samples to additional, mutually agreed laboratories. (6)
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage I have seen Mohr and others talking about the so called "Lead Paint" in forums and they didn't even really care about it, this was back in 2007, it's not that big of a glitch.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
What has that got to do with it? The "paint" claim has been around for years. So what?
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage You tried to bring up the lead paint theory. You're trying to say that Millette made a big deal out of the lead paint but he didn't, go onto a forum and discuss things instead of wiki, it's better.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
I think you've muddled me up with someone else - I haven't mentioned "Lead paint".
ThePeage 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
There is no point discussing this. Science can now sort it out. We have two scientists making different claims about what superficially appears to be the same material. One or other is in error, or there is fraud by one or the other. It won't be decided by "debate" - this is a scientific question and can be solved through science.
ThePeage 1 week ago
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ThePeage 1 week ago
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superficially, appear to be the same material. Analysis done by Harrit et al shows material that contains elemental aluminium particles, Millette’s does not. The red layer in Harrit’s sample swells when soaked in MEK, in Millette’s, the red layer softened. Most importantly, the red chips in Harrit’s sample are exothermic and, though an appropriate test was not conducted by Millette, the composition and properties of the chips he tested suggest it would not react exothermically. (4)
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage
"Harrit ... shows material contains elemental aluminium".
Wrong. Harrit's a-d chips showed no Al. Chip e had Al.
Harrit said a-d were thermitic. Millette chose his chips to matched Harrit's a-d.
"...the composition and properties of the chips suggest [Millette's chips] would not react exothermically"
More bs pulled right out of your butt.
Please provide property that you think "suggest it won't be exothermic". Or retract bs.
teefkay2 1 week ago
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Because there's no apparent chemical mechanism. If there's no elemental Al, a thermitic reaction would appear to be out of the question. Of course, if you're suggesting an energetic reaction IS possible, I wonder if that is why no appropriate test was conducted by Millette? If the chips in his samples had reacted exothermically, then the question would still be "what is this material?" because "exploding paint" would be every bit as dangerous as "exploding nanothermite"!
ThePeage 6 days ago
(2) had investigated the dust previously, in 2002. That way, a rebuttal paper would have emerged within a few weeks of Harrit’s if the findings were different.
Having said that, I want to thank Mr. Mohr. The debate is now on. The Harrit paper is less likely to be “buried” because we now have the possibility science working the way it should – the way it should have done from September 11th 2001….
We have two laboratories producing different results and conclusions on what, (3)
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage Why are you trying to debate with Chris Mohr, he is over your head. That is like me, trying to go up against Richard Cage, never will happen, the so called secret documents you seem to find over the net are bullshit, secret documents are in secret files and on locked computers, don't try and tell me you've found a paper that no one has hardly taken a look at, please Paege.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
What "secret documents"? Millette is the third author on this paper -
"Characterization of the Dust/Smoke Aerosol that settled east of the World Trade Centre (WTC) in Lower Manhatten after the collapse of the WTC 11 September 2001
Environmental Health Perspectives. Vol. 10. Number 7. July 2002 p 703
It is in the public domain. Look it up!
ThePeage 1 week ago
Who actually owned the samples tested by Millette? i.e. who authorised their use?
If Dr. Millette owned them, why did it take nearly three years and the offer of even one dollar to stimulate his professional integrity and/or his personal curiosity when the Harrit paper had claimed the dust contained thermitic material?
Any honest chemist with ownership of samples and an appropriately equipped lab. would have tested his samples without delay, particularly when that SAME SCIENTIST (2)
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage Well he could have done tests on Kevin Ryans dust, which is what Jones used aswell but they would not give it to him, thats a little bit rediculas if you ask me. Are they trying to hide something. Jim Millette is on the fence and this is known, why would he lie and not collect good dust samples, im sure his source is proper.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
Why did he ask for Ryan's samples when he clearly had some available to him? Why did Mohr claim Millette was "independent" when he had already tested the dust (for the government) in 2002? I'm pleased you believe his source is "proper". Sadly, believing something doesn't make it true. As I say in my posts below - game on!
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage Because then Millette would have the exact dust samples that Jones and Ryan had, wouldn't it make sense to test the sames samples since they're so incriminating? yessss, why do you ask stupid question. "Sadly, believing something doesn't make it true. As I say in my posts below - game on!" maybe you should take a big dose of your own medicine. Game on? please, Public domain... for idiots.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
Of course not. I think Ryan did EXACTLY the right thing. I think it is fantastic. The SCIENTIFIC debate is on. I wonder that Millette took three years to find/analyse those samples and he must be pretty hard up if it took $1,000 to stimulate his curiosity but still, I don't know who made the error (and neither do you) and if not error but fraud, I don't know who is guilty of that either (and neither do you). We can use science to settle it.
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage You said "we can use science to settle it twice", you keep trying to debate, why? Oh and a news flash for you Paege, Mohr got into contact with Jim Millette and asked him to do the science, Mohr contacted Millette, so Mohr came up with a thousand which was raised and Jim Millette actually donated atleast another 1000 out of his own pocket, so why do you try and turn the story by saying "he must be pretty hard up if it took $1,000 to stimulate his curiosity"
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@ThePeage Millette is on the fence and sides with no side, Millette went over all the information about the dust tests and said "ok i'll do the tests" Millette didn't come up with the idea so don't try and put anything on him, saying he's a liar or sketchy.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@unRompecabezas lol Paege will strawman comment you all day, he-she isn't worth talking to, 1 word is hypocrit.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@pigeonpsycho eventualy 7 more buildings had to be demolished in the WTC complex. WTC 5 had 4-5 floors collapse due to fire on 9/11 aswell. 1,2 and 7 were also the biggest buildings in the complex.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
2 world trade center collapses first, but why? The plane hit it second. The plane also struck building 2 lower, leaving more floors (more weight) above the impact zone, which means more stress at the impact zone and the load bearing walls on several floors. The load bearing walls were on the outer perimeter of the twin towers, not the center like some people claim.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86 The fucking building started to tip 22 degrees off center and then disappeared in the smoke instead of falling, intact, on the side of the main collapsing structure.
djundadawg 1 week ago
@djundadawg Disappeared? The fucking building is made of steel, steel does not turn to dust, cement turns to dust, yes. 1 billion pounds at 180mph, getting pulled down by gravity will do that. What did you expect the buildings to do? Fall over like a tree. The actual tops of the buildings above the plane impact were slowly leaning over more and more before the initial collapse.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
didn't Harjit also claim there would have been tons of conventional explosives also needed?
Denierbud11 1 week ago
@Denierbud11 Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed inconspicuously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@Denierbud11 Separate from the WTC towers investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially).
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@86Blessed86 Listen, the damn building tilted to the side and crumbled in the debris from the explosions. That's not an opinion, you can obviously see the shit happening in front of your eyes. Anyone who looks at that day and don't see anything foul is being ludicrous. It's ridiculous to argue when you see all of this evidence
djundadawg 1 week ago
@djundadawg You don't have any real evidence and when you do, ill debate with you, if all you can say is, "it had to be an inside job" but with no proof, then why are we talking? how do you think the inside job went down?
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86 No real evidence! There is much evidence out. Just look at how won't no media, politicians, or anybody of political position address the truth movement. You want e vidence, look operation Northwoods. Need more than that
djundadawg 1 week ago
@djundadawg operation northwoods was in declassified in 1997 so "they" would not use that plan also it was created for a 1962 world..........and if your gona look at that there is operation mongoose operation castro operation freedomfighter the phoenix program......plus all the SAD(special activities division) of the CIA that should keep you busy for a year or two enjoy
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@staywithaces1984 This has nothing to do with all the other black operations. It only has relevance with northwoods. That operation shows they have the capacity to carry out these shameful incidents. So you look at that capacity for treason, signed by high ranking officials, and still believe the official story? Keep researching. I find more and more out as I keep searching. Hope that you see, but I can't force you to. Be ready to defend the next 9/11.
djundadawg 1 week ago
@djundadawg February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba.1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident-the spark that led to America's long war in Vietnam-was largely staged or provoked by U.S. officials in order to build up congressional and public support for American involvement.
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@djundadawg COINTELPRO was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by FBI aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. The FBI used covert operations from its inception, however formal COINTELPRO operations took place between 1956 and 1971. The FBI's stated motivation at the time was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order."
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@djundadawg Operation Paperclip was the code name for the 1945 Office of Strategic Services, Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency recruitment of Nazi scientists from Germany to the U.S. after VE Day.President Truman authorized Operation Paperclip in August 1945. They were all cleared to work in the U.S. after having their backgrounds "bleached" by the military; false employment histories were provided, and their previous Nazi affiliations were expunged from the record.
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@djundadawg Big Brother is also called the Deep State. A shadow government is a "government-in-waiting" that remains in waiting with the intention of taking control of a government in response to some event.It turned out this was true on 9/11, when it was told to us by our mainstream media.For years, this was ridiculed as a silly, crazy conspiracy theory and, like the others listed here, turned out to be 100% true.It is also called the Continuity of Government.
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@djundadawg those are all conspiracy theories that turned out to be true
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@staywithaces1984 First off, brother. No need to explain these operations to me. I know about everyone you mentioned. What I am asking you is, after all this bullshit you just mentioned, do you believe the official story? Back in the 50's, there were people doing just like you're doing now in response to those conspiracies. What would it take, man?
djundadawg 1 week ago
Does anyone know that 5 floors collapsed in WTC 5? perhaps another mind game of the government to suck you into their game lol, truthers get a grip and tell me why they would use thermite or explosives to bring down 5 floors in building 5? perhaps they had some left over.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@ThePeage This is my 3rd message, please read the other ones i have left. The 93' bombing was in the basement which is more or less like a bunker, hence - attacking it from above because it can't be destroyed from the basement. Did you know that WTC 5 had 4-5 floors collapse in it?? perhaps just another mind game used by the government, you tell me? why would up to 5 floors give way in WTC 5?? answer that please.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
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@86Blessed86 "The 93' bombing was in the basement which is more or less like a bunker, hence - attacking it from above because it can't be destroyed from the basement."
Behave. The Closer to the foundations the damage is the worse. A truck of explosives thankfully wasn't enough to do unrepairable damage. But damage enough columns in the basement and the whole building could topple over as all 110 stories wouldn't be supported by the foundations properly.
tomwils92 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
I hadn't seen your comments - not trolling enough - clearly!!! Thermite is not "extremely flammable" so everything else that follows is based on an incorrect foundation.
When you have corrected your misconception about the "flammability" (omg!) of thermite, please post your evidence that Harrit lied about Tillotson's DCS test. I am still waiting.
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage fire can ignite it quite quickly Paege. I sent you a message explaining that. You brang Tillitson into the conversation when i wasn't talking about him, Millette is the chemist, you're trying to run away with this Tillitson thing, but it isn't happening. Like i said, Jim Millette and there is a forum with Chris Mohr raising money to pay for Millette to do tests. good try though.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
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@86Blessed86
I have a hard copy of the paper
"Characterization of the Dust/Smoke Aerosol that settled east of the World Trade Centre (WTC) in Lower Manhatten after the collapse of the WTC 11 September 2001
Environmental Health Perspectives. Vol. 10. Number 7. July 2002 p703
and, lo and behold, who is the third author? A certain James R. Millette!
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ThePeage 1 week ago
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@86Blessed86
(2)
So, Millette, having analysed the dust in 2002 for the US government and having had access to dust samples since at least that time, would have discredited HIMSELF if he had, NOW, found thermitic material. To claim he was "independent" was dishonest in the extreme.
If I wanted to find someone who would be guaranteed NOT to find themitic material after ten years, it would be someone who SHOULD/COULD have found it in 2002 - but didn't.
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage No one is suggesting charges were left in the buildings, but you are suggesting some kind of chemical explosive was left, maybe thermite? Hmmm... Thermite is extremely flammable and the plane would have to hit the correct floor with complete accuracy, otherwise the building could collapse prematurely, which would ruin the conspiracy full stop, also who would be flying the plane? Would a plane being remotely flown have the preciseness to do this, or what? What do you think?
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86 "Thermite is extremely flammable and the plane would have to hit the correct floor with complete accuracy, otherwise the building could collapse prematurely"
Thermite is actually quite difficult to ignite. It needs to be nearly white hot too react, so flames would not set off the reaction. Magnesium strip is a common fuse but if thermite was put in those buildings, I doubt it would have been used and I also doubt conventional thermite would have been used.
tomwils92 1 week ago
@tomwils92 No, flames will actually ignite thermite, it is quite flammable. I dont see what your point was?
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86 Try it.
tomwils92 1 week ago
@tomwils92 If the correct materials are added it will light up quick, once lit it is very erratic and dangerouse.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86 Conventional thermite is basically metal and an oxidiser. It needs to be white hot or near to it to start the reaction. Hence why sparklers or magnesium strips are used to ignite it and not a match. You can make a mixture of thermite ignite with matches, but if they did put thermite in those buildings... Do you think they would put that mixture in there, knowing that a plane would be crashing into it?
tomwils92 1 week ago
@tomwils92 thermite is self oxidizing and does not need ambient oxygen to burn.... it would still have been burning after the collapse nobody reported that it on ground level......besides thermite cant cut sideways to melt(cut) vertical columns
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@staywithaces1984 I am fully aware that it is self oxidizing, which is why I said it is made of metal and an oxidizer. If it was set off to demolish the building, the reaction would be finished by the time people got there. Thermite can cut or melt sideways, all you need to do is direct the energy. Thermite has been used in demolition before. It is just a very rare case as it isn't the best thing to use.
tomwils92 1 week ago
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Of course they did! Haven't you ever seen the NASA thermal images taken about a week after 9/11? This is one of the reasons some type of energetic (and thermite in particular) was suspected in the first place - before it was looked for (but not by NIST!). The temperatures in the debris under 1, 2 & 7 are HUGE and remained so for weeks. The fires weren't put out until 12/12/01.
ThePeage 1 week ago
@ThePeage Wrong.....There is absolutely no reason to link heat with explosives. Explosives are special because they release energy at once, at high speed, not because of their heat. It will be interesting to see you explain how residual heat from explosives can increase with time.
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
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@staywithaces1984
I think you are arguing against your own position here. The red chips, if thermitic, are (by definition) the NT that did not react for some reason in the way they were "meant" to. However, there would be likely to be some material that would continue to react (not in the way intended) just as there are some chips that did not react at all and some which reacted in the DSC. Some of these "secondary reactions" could account for the high temperatures in the debris.
ThePeage 6 days ago
@tomwils92 There was no thermite in the buildings at all. Harrits paper with Jones and the likes of Kevin Ryan have done studies on red chips that they thought was thermite, Jim Millette has also done tests and it came back negative. Harrits paper is false, they wouldn't give any of their samples to Jim Millette so he could do tests on their dust samples, instead they denied it constantly, why would you deny a chemist to do tests when you want people to know the truth.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86 I never said there was, I said "if there was". I was just calling you out on your false information.
tomwils92 1 week ago
@tomwils92 Yes false, because you know what kind of thermite was used? why would they use the less flamable thermite, wouldn't you think they would want it to ignite easy, just incase it didn't? other wise this big conspiracy you think happened wouldn't have panned out and it would have been a waste to fly planes into the twin towers.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86 No. But if they did put thermite in there, it would be incredibly idiotic to put a mixture in there that could be set off prematurely by the fires that would be the result of a plane crashing into the building. A demolition is a very tricky operation which they would need full control of. Not controlled by an organic fire. Use some common sense. And do you think they would use some powders they bought off the Internet or would they use something a bit more high tech?
tomwils92 1 week ago
@tomwils92 Speaking of common sense, I think a jet fuelled fire would set any kind of thermite of smart one. Second of all, one the strong holds that the 9/11 truth movement actually has is “thermite” and “spheres” a controlled demolition was debunked years ago, only idiots argue about controlled demolition these days. I doubt very much that a scientist would buy his chemicals over the internet.
86Blessed86 6 days ago
@86Blessed86 It has not been debunked you fool! Stop posting comments you are embarrassing yourself!
kingg213 6 days ago
@kingg213 - Oh your a "truther" - that explains the foul mouthed shouting, ill informed comment you left for me in support of destroying Allied war graves. So 9/11 was an inside job was it and the Muslims should destroy WW2 war graves and you actually say you would be doing the same. What a piece of work you are.
WillShakespeare2007 5 days ago
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@86Blessed86 "I think a jet fuelled fire would set any kind of thermite"
You think? Well you are wrong. Like I said before... Most thermites need to reach white hot or near white hot temperatures in or for the reaction to start. You think jet fuel fires burn white hot?
"I doubt very much that a scientist would buy his chemicals over the internet."
The point of what I said was that if thermite was used, they wouldn't use something that is readily available to make yourself.
tomwils92 6 days ago
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@tomwils92 The initial explosion would have had a temperature around 2000 degrees for at least a moment. You can also ignite thermite from a pulse, a fuse or even a sparkler or many other ways, i could have said it was hard to ignite, then you would have said, "no you can light thermite with a sparkler derr". Get of wikipedia and learn shit first hand before you comment. The internet call was stupid, just because a mixture of thermite can light easier, doesn't meen its cheaper.
86Blessed86 5 days ago
@86Blessed86 Why would they use thermite which cuts steel without announcing it, then switch to explosives? To tip people off?
staywithaces1984 1 week ago
@staywithaces1984 what are you commenting me about? please explain your questions?
86Blessed86 1 week ago
@86Blessed86
So you automatically think Harrit's paper is false and Millette's is true with NO evidence which is correct? That is called confirmation bias.
ThePeage 1 week ago
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@86Blessed86 "who would be flying the plane? Would a plane being remotely flown have the preciseness to do this, or what? What do you think?"
2 technologies exist that could be an response to this. Drones and laser guided missiles for precision.
tomwils92 1 week ago
@ThePeage I see your trolling, trying turn everyone into the "truth movement". You are wrong about the media, i live in Australia and every channel that covered or covers 9/11 stories are mainstream, i don't know who you are trying to fool with this media nonsense.
86Blessed86 1 week ago
Okay, controlled... Who did it??
everenferno 1 week ago
@everenferno
secret super ninja mossad demolition experts, a/k/a "da jews"
Denierbud11 1 week ago
@Denierbud11 But we protect Israel... What else do they want!?
everenferno 1 week ago
conclusive analysis
ladbroke8 1 week ago
Woooooooooooooow
American people are like the rest of the world, under a dictatorship !
jameshamza 1 week ago
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please share this trailer about the wtc7 scandal, it will wake up a lot of people : /watch?v=aPEpcjsJKCI
The911watch 2 weeks ago
Tippnotic25 is correct.
Multiple high-speed explosive charges were registered by digital and analogue video soundtracks. A Fourier transform on the high-speed explosive sounds recorded at ground zero produces the same spectral distribution exhibited by high-speed cutters, while the same attack, sustain, decay and release envelope is evident in the waveform.
Nothing else will do that.
No ifs of buts: explosives were recorded.
Bernadotte01 2 weeks ago
"PART OF NIST REPORT"....Simulations of the behavior of each tower on
September 11, 2001, in four steps:
The aircraft impact into the tower, the resulting distribution of aviation fuel, and the damage to the structure, partitions, thermal insulation materials, and building contents.
The evolution of multi-floor fires.The heating and consequent weakening of the structural elements by the fires...Con't-2...
TheDrac3000 2 weeks ago in playlist UFO/ALIENS
@TheDrac3000.Part-2.The response of the damaged and heated building structure, and the progression of structural component failures leading to the initiation of the collapse of the towers//..investigators advanced the state-of-the-art in the measurement of construction material properties and in structural finite element modeling. New modeling capability was developed for the mapping of fire-generated environmental temperatures onto the building structural components...(In other words..it's BS)
TheDrac3000 2 weeks ago in playlist UFO/ALIENS
this video exposes the absolute corruptedness of the american "expert " establishment.
their "experts" are nothing but yea saying priests out to endorse the wishes of their masters.
this makes America a cult
Strefanasha 2 weeks ago
Skyride tower, referred to at 12:14 of this video, was just that, a tower - rather like an electrical tower
in otherwords, there was no obstruction in reaching the steel, and there is no similaritiy between a steel tower and a steel framed building -- the mechanics differ greatly!
Denierbud11 2 weeks ago
Pancake theory???? So now Aunt Jemima is part of the Axis Of Evil???
SuperMatthewspencer 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids The words I used in my post about jubilant Urban Moving Systems men, and explosives experts from the IDF--per the U.S. DEA report, discussed on Fox and published on Cryptome--were derived from the primary source reports, and not from my imagination as you so dishonestly portray. Your insistence on a fictional version of history is deeply insulting to those who can read, and those who weren't born literally yesterday.
Bernadotte01 2 weeks ago
@Bernadotte01 I'd like to see the actual FBI report - not quotes from the uspposed FBI report. Have you guys got a FOI document on this dancing Jews?
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@Bernadotte01 why do you trust FOX news all of a sudden? I'd like to see the report. I want sources.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
truthers have massive internal conflicts.
they are not looking for the truth in a rational, informed and critical sense, they are looking for something to believe in and to understand. when logic and reason interferes with passion and believe they usually chose passion and belief because logic and reason proves to them that they've duped themselves.
belief= building 7 falls at faster tan free-fall speed, as if explosives were "pushing it down" faster than free-fall physics = illogical.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids Check out his other videos in which he conducts experiments with explosives and explores the laws of physics. As he puts it, if your theory doesn't match experimentation, then it's wrong. He also invites viewers to disprove him with experiments of their own.
shounenbat510 2 weeks ago
truther - a person obsessed with proving they aren't wrong.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids more like thats what you want to believe, and you are free to think that way.
Much like these people are free to look at it and do serious research. If you still don't buy any of it, again, your choice, your problem. Bye.
Tripnotik25 2 weeks ago
The jubilant Israeli men caught filming the attack while in possession of false passports and "maps linking them to the bombing plot," who failed polygraphs, and who were shipped back to the gangster hideout apartheid state of Israel under pressure applied by Mayor Ehud Olmert of Jerusalem and Mayor Ghoul of New York, proves nothing at all about the U.N.
They didn't work for the UN, they worked for Mossad, URBAN MOVING.
Explosives demolition experts from the IDF were arrested earlier, per DEA.
Bernadotte01 3 weeks ago
@Bernadotte01 you obviously added in all those extra "facts" yourself. There's one factoid you can add to your lies - you forgot to add they were flicking cigarette lighters and lighting them and giggling as the towers were bruning. You have my full permission to add that to your next spam phase. But i still wont believe you.
I wanna see the actual FBI report for your dubious claims.
Also i want you to read the entire NIST report - all 10,0000 pages.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids its 1.000, not 10.000.
And even among all of it, there is not a single page about molten steel, or explosions, or the thermite residues found.
Makes sense.
Tripnotik25 2 weeks ago
@Tripnotik25
"google NIST REPORT 10,000" and you will see consensus from both truther and government cointel supporters that the report is 10,000 pages long.
also, the thermite ive been told by truthers was discovered by FEMA - now aren't they the big evil NWO mass prison camp people? why do truthers trust stuff from FEMA and CNN/FOX so much?
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids i got my info from Dr. Shyam Sunder from NIST that said it in a video, and i quote "there are a thousand pages of report". He forgot 9.000 then.
Quote from here: /watch?v=v90RioFSB4M
And no, thermite is no part of official investigations, nor are explosives like i mentioned earlier. That video linked above is also nice to see Dr. Shyan Sunder avoid questions about thermite, doesn't answer a thing, instead decides to "move on" or talk about something else.
Tripnotik25 2 weeks ago
@Tripnotik25 he said 1000 pages of reports - with an S. he might be refering to a whole number of separate reports and the NIST report is a culmination of a whole range of reports given by many different agencies.
The problem is that neither you or I know how many pages are in the NIST report. It is obvious that neither you or I have ever held, and therefore never read the NIST report. As a truther your first goal in searching for the truth was to get a copy of the NIST report.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
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Vann7 2 weeks ago
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@helicopterraids 9/11 was a fraud man.When an official story have too many holes ,inconsistence and re-told in different ways.and to make it worse contradicts credible witness reports. its because the whole story is a lie ..just youtube.. ( April Gallup /88JQL4esHFg ) a pentagon employee that comes forward suing the government because she and others who worked there saw no commercial airplane inside the pentagon even though she could enter everywhere in the impact zone.
Vann7 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids as i truther, as you call me, i need to look no further than the explosions, even within this video.
What do you hear at 9:04? right, so why does NIST insist on saying nothing was heard or witnessed and doesn't investigate a thing about it?
Same for the molten steel, John Gross saying there was nothing of the sort? please. There is no investigation on such occurrences, so you are expected to believe these reports based on what, faith? thats not how it works.
Tripnotik25 2 weeks ago
@Tripnotik25 i heard an explosion - a series of them. but what caused them i dont know. i would have to had been there at the time to know, and I dont think i would have liked to have been.
I heard some explosions but that doesnt mean it was a bomb! you believing on faith that it was an inside job! truthers don't look for answers last - the get the answers first then start asking questions. The questions are framed by the answer- which is 'inside job'.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
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@helicopterraids "i heard an explosion - a series of them"
Correct, and its the official investigations job, to look into it, understand what caused it, BUT, if they searched for explosives, would there be a chance they found remains? the "truthers" from 9/11 truth, collected, thru 3 independent AND separate investigations, thermite residue from the dust from the buildings that day. Why doesn't NIST acknowledge such residue exists and examines such things?
Tripnotik25 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids "The questions are framed by the answer- which is 'inside job'."
People tend to believe that when you come to the understanding that maybe the "official investigation" has something to hide, or so it seems if they are ignoring what you show them, that it could be something more.
If a thorough, proper investigation had taken place from day 1, i can tell you with a high degree of certainty that these "truthers" wouldn't even have grounds to question 9/11.
Tripnotik25 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids
You heard explosions - you are absolutely right, it doesn't mean it was a bomb - it doesn't mean it wasn't some sort of explosive device (bomb) either. "Truthers" are asking for a proper independent investigation that doesn't deny or ignore evidence and doesn't assume that, because they don't want a blast sound to be a bomb, that it wasn't one. That's what an investigation would do - find out. Don't you see the irony in your comment? You've decided a blast (2)
ThePeage 2 weeks ago
@ThePeage I think scholars for 911 truth, engineers and architects for 911 truth and pilots for 911 truth should assemble anddo the independent investigation. these truth movements have combined a wealth of theory, practical and technical knowledge. This video of experts even knows better than NIST. it is the ONLY solution.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids
Without the financial resources to do such an investigation and/or legal power to obtain, say, MIC(NT) samples from the military for comparison? IF individuals within the US government were involved, the only way to investigate it is with the cooperation of honest members of that administration or of a subsequent one and adequate funding. The only way to get that is if a critical mass of citizens call for an investigation. Glad to see you agree we need an investigation.
ThePeage 2 weeks ago
@ThePeage I dont think we need another investigation because im satisfied that 'the muslims' did it as revenge for US/israel foriegn policy. I know muslism live in caves and cant fly planes but its what i feel. The only real investigation should be why did the Bush administration let the Saudi Arabian royal family get away with organizing the whole thing?
your investigation seems to look like you want the US gov to do another one and admit what you think you already know.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids
What anyone "feels" should have no part in the investigation - and to base what you believe on how you feel leads to faith and wishful thinking. I don't "feel" anything either way, I am just aware that there is evidence that does not "fit" the "19 hijackers" hypothesis and so, using the scientific method, we revise the hypothesis.
I don't think the US government should do the investigation, I'm saying whoever sanctions the investigation would have to have subpeona power.
ThePeage 2 weeks ago
@ThePeage
hah ha i knew you were going to hook into that word "feel" LMFAO
but i just got convinced. If you search for the video "9-11 Mossad 'Mural Van' - NYPD Police Radio " you'll see the JEWS had the guile to paint the van with a mural of a plane hitting the WTC on the VERY DAY 911 happened.. and the van was blown up on the same day!!
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@ThePeage also i wanna add you watch: America Wakes Up. Jews Did 9/11
and then watch all of it, but watch especially from 1:40 to 2:22
have a listen to the background music and what the guy says.
911 was a jew job. you are a true patriot. thanbk you for asaving my life from being a sheep! america loves you!
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids
a) Your sarcasm insults your own intelligence.
b) "Israeli","Mossad" & "The Jews" are not synonymous terms.
c) At this stage, the "who" is of little importance.
d) I'm English and not blinded by any need to trust the US government. Since "patriotism" enabled people to believe Bush about Iraq, perhaps you should learn from your mistakes and realise that patriotism relies on faith just as blind as that required to believe in creationism.
ThePeage 2 weeks ago
@ThePeage i got owned. Yes, i ADMIT. 911 WAS an inside job.
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@ThePeage i was listening to the video and realized that the thermite instantly MELT the steel and make the building implode and turn that steel into dust. when i check about traces of thermite found in the building i thought it was made up until i saw that FEMA (prison camp USA) found it.. and now i believe it.
"Israeli","Mossad" & "The Jews" are not synonymous terms --- but they al do penny pinch and have funny noses. all are killers and zionists
you serve the founding fathers USA
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@ThePeage
search for video
Dr. Reynolds exposes 9/11 TV fakery on FoxNews
scholars for truth!
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@ThePeage please also watch:
Here's a good 3 min 9-11 Clip worth seeing!
at 1:50 part wtach when the plane strikes the WTC and dylan avery says "whoah whoah whaoh!, bring it back"
I can see by the way he narrates it that he has watched the video a few too many times.. go and check it out yourself- he's an excellent researcher and hero to the victims of 911
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids
"he's an excellent researcher "
LOL -- oh, you truthers kill me!
Denierbud11 1 week ago
@helicopterraids
(2) sound doesn't mean it was a bomb so you refuse to find out what it WAS. Why? Why would you decide that because it MIGHT not have been a bomb, it wasn't a bomb?
ThePeage 2 weeks ago
@Tripnotik25 google
"NIST produces a 10,000-page report claiming to explain the event"
all your associates in teh truth movement are saying it 10,000 pages. because youtube doesnt allow urls to be posted i got that line and googled it so you'd get the 911 review website but one thing i noticed was all the other websites which have plagiarized each other.. recycled the same paragraphs or article
helicopterraids 2 weeks ago
@helicopterraids
Google "Final Reports from the NIST Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster". It is all there - read and learn and count the pages if you want. Do you really think it makes a jot of difference to the veracity of NIST's reports whether "truthers" claim NIST's reports consisted of 10,000 pages or 100,000 or mistakenly (or even deliberately) claim there were only 10 pages?
ThePeage 2 weeks ago
"If all "surveillance" is in compliance. The US caught Israelis belonging to the mossad filming it, and dancing as it happened, is one of the evidence."
The Israelis filming only proves the UN and and some of the most powerful people in the world live in New York . On any day of the week there are people filming in new York. there are some right right now as you read this who is shooting video of New York, and dancing is not evidence of anything but dancing that's why they called dancing.
Ravengreen1967 3 weeks ago
Why let facts or reason stop you. I am sure anyone can get the type of access needed to wire two building with 7/24 surveillance containing banks and trading firms with there own security in the heart of the New York City and the Pentagon with tons of explosive and no one would notice. Sure, our own government would do all this and get hundreds of people to go along is a much simpler answer then terrorism.
Ravengreen1967 3 weeks ago
@Ravengreen1967 it is actually. If all "surveillance" is in compliance, how hard is that to pull off really? what kind of logic is that you're trying to make.
And everyone also agrees that people that are true to America had nothing to do with 9/11, instead, a group that clearly does not have the best intentions for the US, but still within the govt.
Zionists, the US caught Israelis belonging to the mossad filming it, and dancing as it happened, is one of the evidence.
Tripnotik25 3 weeks ago
@Ravengreen1967 you should look up Susan Lindauer, and a couple of people did come out saying that within a month of 911 strange sounds could be heard during work, and that piles of dust would mysteriously appear on top of work stations in the mornings.
Roonoon2 3 weeks ago
@Roonoon2
a few people saw dust? that is your evidence?
10,000's worked in those towers 24/7 -- the buildings were never unoccupied, and not one security guard, not one maintenance man, not one tenant ever reported seeing this massive work that must have been going on to rig hundreds of thermite cutters
good lord
Denierbud11 3 weeks ago
@Denierbud11 you're completely wrong about everything you said. Strange sounds were heard and specific floors were kept locked during the day time, no workers in the towers between 3am - 7am. The dust reported was described as the kind of dust you get if you drill a hole in concrete. The sounds heard were described as if something was moving a very heavy object from one place to another, then dropping it which made a huge bang.
Roonoon2 3 weeks ago
@Roonoon2
no workers in the towers between 3 am and 7 am -- ok, here is your chance to prove me a liar prove this is true
NO WORKERS - none
--- by do I want to see this source
Denierbud11 2 weeks ago
@Denierbud11 soz it was 2:30am - 5am, look up 'missing security tapes from the wtc'. The trucks coming in at that time would have probably just been removing the gold below the towers. Much of the planting of the bombs must have been during the power outs and the renovations of the elevator shafts. For everything else /watch?v=NHJHAp49Lh8
Roonoon2 2 weeks ago
@Roonoon2
No no no - a second hand account in a youtube tape that is nine minutes long is not proof
find proof, or real tangible evidence that this is how it was all the time
because that is your claim -- or are you claiming this was all done in one night?
Because Scott Fobes even says he was in the tower after the power down working all night!
Denierbud11 2 weeks ago
@Denierbud11 so testimony from Will Rodriguez and Gary Corbett is not proof either? If so how do you think they got the bombs in? I mentioned the elevator shaft work which was not done overnight. The 24-36 hour power out could of just been more time to continue that work. what do you think?
Roonoon2 2 weeks ago
@Roonoon2
at what point in that video does a witness state that there were no tenants permited in the building from 2:30 to 5:00?
and the only person I have seen claiming a power down was Scott Forbes, and when questioned, he admitts that he only certain that it affected the floors his company was on, and that it only affected the tower he was in -- he has no knowledge regarding any other floor or tower.
How do they get past the bomb sniffing dogs?
Denierbud11 2 weeks ago
Where is your Pulitzer? Right; they don't give Pulitzers for delusions.
iSunTzu 3 weeks ago