I'm a bit disappointed in this master's explanation, if I did not learn the Moeller stroke in another video I wouldn't have a clue what it is he is trying to teach us, goes to show not all the great ones are good teachers, sorry
What new sh*t has done Barker to be considered something "innovative"? Stupid kids, please stop to consume all that shit boxed by music labels. Start to appreciate the people that has studied and/or applied drumming, percussion and MUSIC at PROFESSIONAL level first.
anyone who thinks this video explain the moeller technique comppletely, please buy the full dvd Speed power control it clears up most of the questions you lot have been having pointless arguments about. its a little more complex the 3 strokes but this is the starting point
so hes good on a fucking note book id like to see him play some phat grooves on a fucking set like travis he has a fucking dw collecters behind him and hes only playing on a fucking book
@4against1 also, hes not playing on a book. its called a practice pad, and judging by your idolatry of travis barker, id bet you dont have one of those :)
@4against1 what the fuck u stupid dumb ass that book is probably just like my music teacher its probably full of music hes wrote and hes obviously playing on a real feel pad debby dumb dick
@4against1 Travis is the best example you can come up with? Dude, the simplest Danny Carey, Mike Portnoy, Thomas Haake, Chris Adler groove has more complexity and skill in one hand than Barker has in his entire career. Go listen to real drummers before you talk crap about a guy who's clearly an incredible drummer.
Such arrogance, learn some respect. He's not playing on the whole kit because it would be impractical for teaching purposes, because the sheer noise from the drums would cloud the actual lesson. With the book, you get a nice click that isn't loud, but distinctive.
By the way did I mention that you need to learn some respect, especially since he has passed away?
@4against1 i die a bit inside from your pathetic comment. just another clone who heard in school that travis barker and joey jordison are the drum gods -.- seriously why do you even bother commenting on things you dont know shit about? you must be just a brat who follows trends and believes everything that others do, i'll be checking your profile to see if im right. KIDS THESE DAYS -.-
@drummer6alphahotel You are an idiot! I personally had the luck of getting a drum lesson from Jim Chapin around 10 years ago and i still have the drumhead with his autograph and best wishes. He was brilliant, kind and very modest. Although he was so much older than me, he was way faster and more exact than i am now, even after many years of practice. He is a legend of drumming and all drummers should recognize that and respect him! RIP Jim!
guys guys guys, you can't get it over night, i've been practicing this since i found it years ago and still haven't perfected it. if there is one thing about drums that matters a little more than components, its patience!
@drummer6alphahotel YOU'RE A PINHEAD! CHAPIN WAS A STUDENT OF SANFORD MOELLER HIMSELF AND HAS PASSED ON THE TECHNIQUE TO MANY FAMOUS DRUMMERS LIKE WECKL AND RICH.
Circa 1980 I mastered Fred Albright's Contemporary Studies for Snare Drum. Far more valuable from a technique and musical perspective than focusing on Moellar.
I've been trying this for a few minutes and I will admit that trying to find that fulcrum is driving me nuts! (My wrists have been getting a bit tired of late so I thought I would give this method a shot.) Problem is, my stick is sliding back towards the meaty part of my hand. Is he using the base knuckle at the bottom of the index finger because it looks like his index finger is sticking straight out?
@PhantomDrums917 He is using his middle finger, but it is also possible to do this with your index finger or even ring finger and pinky. The stick ís held lightly in your hand, so you have to practice what's the least amount of pressure required to still hold your stick in place in your hand, you can also search for "freehand technique", which is built around this concept.
@PhantomDrums917 check out dave wekl advanced grip ! watch closely he is holding the stick witjh his middle finger & his thumb instead of the index finger letting the rebound do its work! hope it work! it did for me 270 bpm moeller stroke arrived today!
@omri538 Oh, I'm not lazy, I've been playing for 25 years. I want to make sure I am DOING IT RIGHT before I commit to learning something new. Not so easy to watch a video and learn.
one thing i have learned about moeller man is you have to be persistent every day 1 hour to 2 hours... i have been going out it for about 8 months now and its really coming together nicely but you have to have FREE STROKE tap STROKE down pat and whipping motion you need to have a good concept of what you are trying to achieve... in these three strokes you playing example FREE STROKE.. catch into hand like throwing a ball.and just keep at it.. don't stop know what u are playing
Drums are all brains ... it's hard to think and do physical work! Gotta learn how to think to a beat... the thing I always have trouble with is memory hahah... I don't know how people memorize 40 minute sets with absolute precision.. it's like memorizing a whole chapter in a book, and not getting a single word wrong. ;)
@4against1 if u really think travis barker is the greattest ur not really a drummer or muscian at tht... travis barker is hella good dnt get me wrng but u need 2 listnin 2 more drum styles nd drummers..
Bounced, or it's not the (version) of Moeller Chapin's describing. There's argument all over the place, and the funny thing is it's all the *same* economy of motion at different tempos and performed by different bodily mechanics. Do what's comfortable and effective for you. These are *all* just guidelines. (I'm not interested in arguing with anyone btw.) Cheers.
if you put 2 hits next to each other, you might as well make it all a single stroke roll, so screw this stuff about the third hit being a regular hit. im gona make it be a bounce, off of the second hit. then you would be seeing some speed from the "moeller" technique.
I believe that the first two hits, you r correct on, but the third hit, you're just putting a regular hit next to another regular hit, which is really close to just hitting like 8 together, but 2 hits only can make it go faster just a tiny bit, but thats it. or what else i see is that the third hit comes just from your hand being lazy, but what i believe is that you should let it bounce after the second hit, because you get the most power from that, and more speed than just another regular hit.
Oh What I'd give to be a fly on a wall and listen to you and Joe discussing the proper approach over a pint...............on forearm velocity :-)......thank you James for this Master Class!
Good way to learn the moeller technique: I started practicing fast triplets with each hand using mostly my fingers and a littlebit wrist: RRR LLL RRR LLL, and when i got that going fast, i noticed that i can go really fast triplet, but cant keep the roll up as fast with only fingers: RRR R R R R R. So i started doing the whipping motion to get like really fast roll of triplets, and with a little practice it became a continuos singlestroke roll with accent every third Rrr Rrr Rrr--> RrrRrrRrrR
There are different opinions about that, here's my take on it, first of all you have to hold the stick loosely in your hand, when you do that at higher speed you can't make every stroke completely, because you have rebound from the drum/pad/cymbal, since all practice begins slow at first you need to play each stroke, in the waving motion described here, you'll notice yourself that you're going to make use of reboud simply by controlling the amount of squeeze on the stick
@sikory ... yep, pinky and ringfinger used as levers to control the amount of bounce... the stick rests between the thumb and forefinger just like a guitar pick would... that is the fulcrum. Exercise without wrists and arms (just use pinky and ringfinger) to gain strength. Keep doing that until you can get a double bounce without any wrist or arm motion, then this will become "easy". Should take about a week or two to develop the strength.
He's doing the technique in triplets. I think it's better to learn the technique as doubles first? I'm not that great at this technique, can anyone help me out - which is better... triplets or doubles?
Both, depending on musical context. It is more useful at triplets than doubles. 3 for the price of 1. You can play 4 or 5 or more too, but the rebound gets soaked up and the ending notes can get a bit slurred.
@nanitomx Check out Claus Hessler and Dom Famularo's book "Open Handed Playing" to see how Moeller is utilized behind the drum kit, even if you never want to play open handed, you can just cross your hands and do the exercises. And yes, you can do doubles, triplets, or even 16ths or more.
1areyouretarded1: Quietly I mean in a low volume. Moeller is usefull only for what is shown on that video. What if you want to play triplets without accents or with accents on notes 2 or 3?
Accept it: thumb and index fingers are better , stronger and more precise the better for finest manual grasping... they are controlled by more numer of muscles.
Read something about the evolution of the hand movements (evolutive pshycology) and fisology.
@EddieLandsberg HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....thats the funniest thing iv ever heard!!!! i love you
You can't do it quietly? That's proposterous. Maybe you should re-word that to 'you can't do it quietly' but it is an incredible technique to prospire from decrescendo to crescendo.
And second, moeller wasn't designed to be played slowly. It was initially designed to play16th note triplets comfortabley using traditional grip on a drum kit.
alternating strokes are always 1stroke right, 1 left, 1 right, 1 left, but I guess that's not your point. in the beginning of the video he does accented triplets which is the "three-stroke" in each hand, later on he does this 'three-stroke" in only one hand and uses finger control in the other, when to use which depends on where you want to place the accents. There is no real difference wether you do it fast or slow, only at faster tempos you squeeze a little bit harder (don's choke the stick)
I sense a ton of jealousy here. All of you haters should respect Jim's dedication and attitude towards drumming. This technique has been around for over 100 years, well older than any of your insignificant lives. Try learning something instead of bashing it. Nothing worth while ever comes without hard work.
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Yep, the General Patton of drumming. I have great respect for guys like this but I never learned any of that stuff and I think I do alright. Check out my clips on here if you want to see some "old school" jazz solos. I have the worst grip in the world (especially my left hand) but I can still play and I'm pushing 50 myself. Drummers out there; learn all you can but don't be intimidated by all that technical stuff. Never did a thing for me. Just my opinion and my experience.
i use traditional grip and i control the stick with the forefinger and the thumb (just traditional). Maybe at the beginning the stick will slide out of your forefinger but after a little practice you get it.
just awesome watching a master at work...on another note...that comment five down from this about barker beating his ass was just stupid....travis is a good modern drummer...not a theory based master like chapin
I love Jojo Mayer but Jim teaches this so much better.
ShaunDnBdrums 5 days ago
The only problem is he cant explain it that well.
shed412 6 days ago
Dude is good and all, but I can't lie, he kinda creeps me out a little bit. Just a tad. Like a psychopath killer tad bit.
twelch39933 1 week ago
I'm a bit disappointed in this master's explanation, if I did not learn the Moeller stroke in another video I wouldn't have a clue what it is he is trying to teach us, goes to show not all the great ones are good teachers, sorry
muszyngr 1 week ago
What new sh*t has done Barker to be considered something "innovative"? Stupid kids, please stop to consume all that shit boxed by music labels. Start to appreciate the people that has studied and/or applied drumming, percussion and MUSIC at PROFESSIONAL level first.
indiocolifa 2 weeks ago 2
One of the great tutorials, So glad I got to meet this man - a true master of the rudiments
Nothinbutdrums1 2 weeks ago
does he use fingers or is that bad technique? so like german/moeller/some finger use
beatsandthings 2 weeks ago
@4against1 go shoot yourself for us.
biggt96 3 weeks ago
why does every single drum video make mention of travis barker? He's not THAT great people
tigermilk808 1 month ago
Great explanation and demo...very clear and direct.
bobthedrummaker 1 month ago
anyone who thinks this video explain the moeller technique comppletely, please buy the full dvd Speed power control it clears up most of the questions you lot have been having pointless arguments about. its a little more complex the 3 strokes but this is the starting point
AcustomRezzo 2 months ago
so hes good on a fucking note book id like to see him play some phat grooves on a fucking set like travis he has a fucking dw collecters behind him and hes only playing on a fucking book
4against1 3 months ago 8
@4against1 uneducated idiot
beakon7 2 months ago
@4against1 Are you for real? I refer you to the answer provided by beakon7...
herrkaliyuga 2 months ago
@4against1 so............ whats your excuse for talking about travis barker on a jim chapin video?
otherside65 2 months ago
@4against1 also, hes not playing on a book. its called a practice pad, and judging by your idolatry of travis barker, id bet you dont have one of those :)
otherside65 2 months ago 31
@otherside65 its a fucking book dumbass cant you see the fucking books on the base drum?? you must be retartede or blind dumbass
4against1 2 months ago
@4against1 right, but hes not hitting it, retard
otherside65 2 months ago
@4against1 what the fuck u stupid dumb ass that book is probably just like my music teacher its probably full of music hes wrote and hes obviously playing on a real feel pad debby dumb dick
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@4against1 Travis is the best example you can come up with? Dude, the simplest Danny Carey, Mike Portnoy, Thomas Haake, Chris Adler groove has more complexity and skill in one hand than Barker has in his entire career. Go listen to real drummers before you talk crap about a guy who's clearly an incredible drummer.
Lastshadow94 2 months ago 3
@4against1
Such arrogance, learn some respect. He's not playing on the whole kit because it would be impractical for teaching purposes, because the sheer noise from the drums would cloud the actual lesson. With the book, you get a nice click that isn't loud, but distinctive.
By the way did I mention that you need to learn some respect, especially since he has passed away?
plugit21 2 months ago 5
@4against1 He can play a notebook better than Travis can play a kit.
IGoUrAppleJuice 2 months ago 2
@4against1 you are one the most stupid people i have ever met
notsuchaclevername11 2 months ago 2
@4against1 That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Neutr0n624 1 month ago
@4against1 i die a bit inside from your pathetic comment. just another clone who heard in school that travis barker and joey jordison are the drum gods -.- seriously why do you even bother commenting on things you dont know shit about? you must be just a brat who follows trends and believes everything that others do, i'll be checking your profile to see if im right. KIDS THESE DAYS -.-
Vaginaattori 1 month ago
@4against1 Only one problem: Barker is only second rate at best. Come up with a better example, there's literally thousands of better drummers
pputnam100 2 weeks ago
Great teacher!
jjdrummer108 3 months ago
He sounds like the bear from the jungle book.
tylerjazzdrummer 4 months ago
@drummer6alphahotel ok, peace ;)
Vinyldrums 5 months ago
@drummer6alphahotel You are an idiot! I personally had the luck of getting a drum lesson from Jim Chapin around 10 years ago and i still have the drumhead with his autograph and best wishes. He was brilliant, kind and very modest. Although he was so much older than me, he was way faster and more exact than i am now, even after many years of practice. He is a legend of drumming and all drummers should recognize that and respect him! RIP Jim!
Vinyldrums 5 months ago
DW rocks !
xalevedi 6 months ago
guys guys guys, you can't get it over night, i've been practicing this since i found it years ago and still haven't perfected it. if there is one thing about drums that matters a little more than components, its patience!
minkusink6 6 months ago
Jim Chapin= Grand Master
ddrums001 6 months ago
Two years today we lost one one of the greatest teachers drumming has ever seen. We miss you, Jim.
spacitydrummer4JC 6 months ago
@drummer6alphahotel why don't you joke about justin? always woks.
whit love, pedobear
2431vincent 7 months ago
@drummer6alphahotel YOU'RE A PINHEAD! CHAPIN WAS A STUDENT OF SANFORD MOELLER HIMSELF AND HAS PASSED ON THE TECHNIQUE TO MANY FAMOUS DRUMMERS LIKE WECKL AND RICH.
drumsticknow 7 months ago
Circa 1980 I mastered Fred Albright's Contemporary Studies for Snare Drum. Far more valuable from a technique and musical perspective than focusing on Moellar.
Easleytee 7 months ago
HE'S SO WELL DRESSED!
jord619 7 months ago
ok now try to do it without accents! As I said on another post, this is a stupid "technique". Too much effort for very little reward.
Lydirius 8 months ago
if I was the camera guy, I would b cracking up, he's so animated
CkSandwich 8 months ago
nice^^
lumyingluo 9 months ago
I've been trying this for a few minutes and I will admit that trying to find that fulcrum is driving me nuts! (My wrists have been getting a bit tired of late so I thought I would give this method a shot.) Problem is, my stick is sliding back towards the meaty part of my hand. Is he using the base knuckle at the bottom of the index finger because it looks like his index finger is sticking straight out?
PhantomDrums917 9 months ago
@PhantomDrums917 He is using his middle finger, but it is also possible to do this with your index finger or even ring finger and pinky. The stick ís held lightly in your hand, so you have to practice what's the least amount of pressure required to still hold your stick in place in your hand, you can also search for "freehand technique", which is built around this concept.
sikory 9 months ago
@sikory Thanks!
PhantomDrums917 9 months ago
@PhantomDrums917 check out dave wekl advanced grip ! watch closely he is holding the stick witjh his middle finger & his thumb instead of the index finger letting the rebound do its work! hope it work! it did for me 270 bpm moeller stroke arrived today!
realcucus 8 months ago
@realcucus Will do. Got a direct link handy? :)
PhantomDrums917 8 months ago
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@PhantomDrums917 oh wow, you tried it for few minutes... how about some patience...
aakkoin 4 months ago
@PhantomDrums917 Try to practice the moeller technique for some minutes only is WRONG!
you should practice this technique for day and weeks and months to do it well! so stop being lazy and start PRACTICE!
omri538 3 months ago
@omri538 Oh, I'm not lazy, I've been playing for 25 years. I want to make sure I am DOING IT RIGHT before I commit to learning something new. Not so easy to watch a video and learn.
PhantomDrums917 3 months ago
@PhantomDrums917.
one thing i have learned about moeller man is you have to be persistent every day 1 hour to 2 hours... i have been going out it for about 8 months now and its really coming together nicely but you have to have FREE STROKE tap STROKE down pat and whipping motion you need to have a good concept of what you are trying to achieve... in these three strokes you playing example FREE STROKE.. catch into hand like throwing a ball.and just keep at it.. don't stop know what u are playing
mattmdrums 2 months ago
Thats a good way to loose an eye.
sebz61 9 months ago
Drums are all brains ... it's hard to think and do physical work! Gotta learn how to think to a beat... the thing I always have trouble with is memory hahah... I don't know how people memorize 40 minute sets with absolute precision.. it's like memorizing a whole chapter in a book, and not getting a single word wrong. ;)
monkeygoodcipherbad1 10 months ago
I like playing triplets with double strokes...not as physically challenging but definitely more mentally challenging :)
monkeygoodcipherbad1 10 months ago
@4against1 if u really think travis barker is the greattest ur not really a drummer or muscian at tht... travis barker is hella good dnt get me wrng but u need 2 listnin 2 more drum styles nd drummers..
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anibalserenelli 11 months ago
WTF did he do with his sticks at 0:26 ?? XD
CrispyXR 1 year ago
what's the best video to learn a proper traditional grip/stroke on youtube/internet?
zuma5278255424 1 year ago
@zuma5278255424 I remember the videos by derrick pope and dave weckl, they explain it well IMO.
sikory 1 year ago 4
That "slip the other hand in" part is sick!
mastersgta1 1 year ago
100% blue collar all the way. you rich phaggots learning drums will never truly understand Chapin.
DrJuice1 1 year ago
he was crazy
ThEpUrEfUcKiNmEtAl 1 year ago
metal
spites1 1 year ago
WHY on earth would anyone dislike this video? They must not be drummers...
robertgenito 1 year ago
damn this guy cleans up good lol. in his other videos i didnt recognize him without the suit.
IndonesiaNegaraKu 1 year ago
@pearldrummerbt123 travis is greeeeeeeeat for punk..okay well thats cool...
jim chapin can play EVERYTHING!!
amen my brother
DNWGretsch182 1 year ago
@DNWGrets travis ibarker s the best fucking drummer in the world he can school this old tard on a fucking set ok dumbass?
4against1 1 year ago
@4against1 man stfu, you need to be musically educated. ok dumbass?
IndonesiaNegaraKu 1 year ago
@4against1 im gunna go ahead an assume this is a joke
AcustomRezzo 1 year ago
@4against1 lol nice jokes
tjthegreat7 1 year ago
@DNWGretsch182 please stop trolling
BigJ0 1 year ago
nice .,a student of Sanford Augustus Moeller which moeller technique named.,hope its not 2 l8 to say Rest In Peace.,great contribution.,=)
nimuli107 1 year ago
RIP jim
Batflapers 1 year ago
phenominal power for a guy who must have at least been in his late 70s when this was recorded RIP Jim
ptk1987 1 year ago
can this make rudiments easier to practice
numanuma20 1 year ago
1:11 LOL
dennisisbigger 1 year ago
look how his pointer finger straightens up...
unix001 1 year ago
LOOK AT DIS NIGGA!
Akrios1337 1 year ago
like
redwinemetal 1 year ago
big master ... r.i.p. :((
onedrum 1 year ago
that guy made absolutely no sense yet i understand what he is saying lol
justabackup 1 year ago
"Advanced Techniques For the Modern Drummer" Best book I ever bought. Thank you, Jim! RIP
ShartimusPrime 1 year ago
really good
TheReadytoplay 1 year ago
STROKES ALL THE WAY
TheDice2008 1 year ago
P.I.M.P
lbrb9 1 year ago
I took one lesson from Jim, and i've carried it with me my whole career....great educator.......Great asset to the world of drums!!!!!
pratorm 1 year ago
Bounced, or it's not the (version) of Moeller Chapin's describing. There's argument all over the place, and the funny thing is it's all the *same* economy of motion at different tempos and performed by different bodily mechanics. Do what's comfortable and effective for you. These are *all* just guidelines. (I'm not interested in arguing with anyone btw.) Cheers.
ascetic43 1 year ago
emmm.i wonder what cymbals and drum he use...
teamsleepnine 1 year ago
this dude would have played amazing death metal.
p3tro 1 year ago 7
@p3tro he's played much better stuff.
useless987 1 year ago
whip it
mqmqmwmw 1 year ago
if you put 2 hits next to each other, you might as well make it all a single stroke roll, so screw this stuff about the third hit being a regular hit. im gona make it be a bounce, off of the second hit. then you would be seeing some speed from the "moeller" technique.
xDrumsx4xLifex 1 year ago
I believe that the first two hits, you r correct on, but the third hit, you're just putting a regular hit next to another regular hit, which is really close to just hitting like 8 together, but 2 hits only can make it go faster just a tiny bit, but thats it. or what else i see is that the third hit comes just from your hand being lazy, but what i believe is that you should let it bounce after the second hit, because you get the most power from that, and more speed than just another regular hit.
xDrumsx4xLifex 1 year ago
Great video,Great drummer,Mr.Jim Chapin!
SupermassiveDrummer 1 year ago
Oh What I'd give to be a fly on a wall and listen to you and Joe discussing the proper approach over a pint...............on forearm velocity :-)......thank you James for this Master Class!
tequilaal 1 year ago
Good way to learn the moeller technique: I started practicing fast triplets with each hand using mostly my fingers and a littlebit wrist: RRR LLL RRR LLL, and when i got that going fast, i noticed that i can go really fast triplet, but cant keep the roll up as fast with only fingers: RRR R R R R R. So i started doing the whipping motion to get like really fast roll of triplets, and with a little practice it became a continuos singlestroke roll with accent every third Rrr Rrr Rrr--> RrrRrrRrrR
JehutyFIN 1 year ago
If you are interested in learning this method, you've got to get this dvd. He's straightforward and on topic the entire time.
spacitydrummer4JC 1 year ago
this video just gets me! haha
CkSandwich 1 year ago
BEAST!!!!!
RETARDSTRENGTH510 1 year ago
Curious question:When playing the first "whipping motion" on the single hand triplet, is the second and third note played bounced or stroked?
sanstitle 1 year ago 5
@sanstitle
There are different opinions about that, here's my take on it, first of all you have to hold the stick loosely in your hand, when you do that at higher speed you can't make every stroke completely, because you have rebound from the drum/pad/cymbal, since all practice begins slow at first you need to play each stroke, in the waving motion described here, you'll notice yourself that you're going to make use of reboud simply by controlling the amount of squeeze on the stick
sikory 1 year ago 9
@sikory ... yep, pinky and ringfinger used as levers to control the amount of bounce... the stick rests between the thumb and forefinger just like a guitar pick would... that is the fulcrum. Exercise without wrists and arms (just use pinky and ringfinger) to gain strength. Keep doing that until you can get a double bounce without any wrist or arm motion, then this will become "easy". Should take about a week or two to develop the strength.
monkeygoodcipherbad1 10 months ago
@sanstitle the second note rebound
brokeandhungryxx 1 year ago
@sanstitle
stroke 'em all you pussy
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stroke 'em all you pussy nyr
SomeBlackJewz 11 months ago
Pure Genius...they're never be another.
sanstitle 1 year ago
I studied with Mr. Chapin many years ago...you never forget.
gmax6060 1 year ago
is he blind or smthing? but his good=D!!!!
tkmj2008 1 year ago
he is a goddamn robot, look at his face, while he is playing :O
vegaone571 1 year ago 3
He's doing the technique in triplets. I think it's better to learn the technique as doubles first? I'm not that great at this technique, can anyone help me out - which is better... triplets or doubles?
BoxofSharks 1 year ago
Both, depending on musical context. It is more useful at triplets than doubles. 3 for the price of 1. You can play 4 or 5 or more too, but the rebound gets soaked up and the ending notes can get a bit slurred.
crazy8sdrums 1 year ago
its funner in triplets XD
rith5 1 year ago
you can do it in quarters
col000in 1 year ago
ok, i understand the fundament on moeller but why always in triplets? cant it be played in binary?
nanitomx 1 year ago
It sucks, but it was made for triplets I think.
skillnub70 1 year ago
The Moeller is actually one stroke,it originated from marching band style plpying. It's taught in triplets to maximize control, endurance and speed
keepdrummin7 1 year ago
@nanitomx you also can do it in quarters
col000in 1 year ago
@nanitomx Check out Claus Hessler and Dom Famularo's book "Open Handed Playing" to see how Moeller is utilized behind the drum kit, even if you never want to play open handed, you can just cross your hands and do the exercises. And yes, you can do doubles, triplets, or even 16ths or more.
sheldonknowsall 1 year ago
I think triplets are great practice. I thinks its up to the player to improvise. Thats where creativity kicks in.
Bastige56 1 year ago
@nanitomx It can. Watch Tony Royster Jr during his warm-up for the Guitar Center drum off. He explains everything there.
explodingpimp 1 year ago
MASTER FOR EVER!!!
EMANUELRPAREDES90 1 year ago
Rest in peace JC
nairnodrums 1 year ago
1areyouretarded1: Quietly I mean in a low volume. Moeller is usefull only for what is shown on that video. What if you want to play triplets without accents or with accents on notes 2 or 3?
Accept it: thumb and index fingers are better , stronger and more precise the better for finest manual grasping... they are controlled by more numer of muscles.
Read something about the evolution of the hand movements (evolutive pshycology) and fisology.
I`m sory if my english isn`t clear at all.
martinlentini 2 years ago
I began practicing 1:33 a few weeks ago and much to my delight found out that I don't need a real girlfriend ! ! ! Kewl ! ! !
EddieLandsberg 2 years ago 16
That's why mortal people name musicians as fags :D
jsjazz3d 2 years ago
@EddieLandsberg HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....thats the funniest thing iv ever heard!!!! i love you
trecoolmania 1 year ago
I think Moeller is excellent for speed and endurance (as the video title says), but not for playing in low volumes and slowly.
On the other hand, I think "Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer" is an excellent book. That`s really useful.
martinlentini 2 years ago 3
You can't do it quietly? That's proposterous. Maybe you should re-word that to 'you can't do it quietly' but it is an incredible technique to prospire from decrescendo to crescendo.
And second, moeller wasn't designed to be played slowly. It was initially designed to play16th note triplets comfortabley using traditional grip on a drum kit.
1areyouretarded1 2 years ago
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musically this is truly useless
danthman44444 2 years ago
literally you don't know how it works
jsjazz3d 2 years ago
are you fucking kidding me!?!?
schwarg 2 years ago
yeah i can totally do that.....
kyledrums 2 years ago
He makes me cry *wet eyes*
yuzmanito 2 years ago
do you do one hand at a time or do you mix them together ? right left right left or right right right left left left ???
ThePercusionist 2 years ago
It all depends on what you want to play, you may even play a continous RrrRrrRrr... for an accented triplet patten on rise of hi-hay.
sikory 2 years ago
dude! he keeps time prefectly while giving his monologue... crazy
VichoPL 2 years ago 3
do you guys think jim chapin ever did cocaine??,,...on a serious note,...brutal lesson, and a legendary drummer!~!! thanks jimmy!
utsawin09 2 years ago 4
Rip master drummer!thanks for all,god bless you!
TheRodrigoaquino 2 years ago 4
When your alternating strokes is it still three hits per hand or just one, You know, when you get it fast
alloneword154 2 years ago
alternating strokes are always 1stroke right, 1 left, 1 right, 1 left, but I guess that's not your point. in the beginning of the video he does accented triplets which is the "three-stroke" in each hand, later on he does this 'three-stroke" in only one hand and uses finger control in the other, when to use which depends on where you want to place the accents. There is no real difference wether you do it fast or slow, only at faster tempos you squeeze a little bit harder (don's choke the stick)
sikory 2 years ago
I meant do you ever do three srokes in both hands, instead of using finger control in the other
alloneword154 2 years ago
You do if you want to play accented triplets, since the accents alternate between both hands, and each plays 1 accent, 2 non-accents
sikory 2 years ago
Haha! Love the "fledgling bird" analogy! I'm going to steal that one day.
mingusfan 2 years ago 3
RIP jim chapin
aileanwazere 2 years ago 5
If your just jealous, why don't you just stfu? Or do something useful and study this tech.
seanlolsean 2 years ago
I sense a ton of jealousy here. All of you haters should respect Jim's dedication and attitude towards drumming. This technique has been around for over 100 years, well older than any of your insignificant lives. Try learning something instead of bashing it. Nothing worth while ever comes without hard work.
buttermongoose 2 years ago
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Yep, the General Patton of drumming. I have great respect for guys like this but I never learned any of that stuff and I think I do alright. Check out my clips on here if you want to see some "old school" jazz solos. I have the worst grip in the world (especially my left hand) but I can still play and I'm pushing 50 myself. Drummers out there; learn all you can but don't be intimidated by all that technical stuff. Never did a thing for me. Just my opinion and my experience.
Drumminman4U 2 years ago
R.i.P.! I'll never forget what you did for drumming!
SgtPeterFuck 2 years ago 51
@SgtPeterFuck is he dead?
mqmqmwmw 1 year ago
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yup. died on the american independence day.
RIP
outremer79 1 year ago
amazing
Rusty2540 2 years ago 15
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is he blind?
rollinfever15 2 years ago
oh my god!!!!!my drum teacher learned me exactly like that!!!!!
aigaleada 2 years ago
You'll be waiting for a while, troll. He's passed on.
And not that it makes any difference, but he's using the pad to show practice techniques - something you probably wouldn't understand anyway.
christraven 2 years ago 7
Stupid, just stupid. No other words.
NYGSD 2 years ago
i swear if you didn't know he looks blind, like a blank stare, but great drummer
Rizzlesdrums4life 2 years ago 2
You really don't get it, do you?
longfade 2 years ago
he died you dumbfuck
metallikuh520 2 years ago 2
his stick heights are amazing!!
noah112234 2 years ago 4
This dude could prolly play some mean death metal lol
TOMisNOTfunny 2 years ago 8
that would be fuckin funny.
EliotKrupa 2 years ago 4
please reply
snare2324 2 years ago
i use traditional grip and i control the stick with the forefinger and the thumb (just traditional). Maybe at the beginning the stick will slide out of your forefinger but after a little practice you get it.
Dorsch123 2 years ago
how do you grip the stick for traditional but still be able to chop it
snare2324 2 years ago
What do you mean chop?
AkiThePirate 2 years ago
he has a great teaching method.
kozimoto93 2 years ago 5
just awesome watching a master at work...on another note...that comment five down from this about barker beating his ass was just stupid....travis is a good modern drummer...not a theory based master like chapin
bdL91 2 years ago 4
that bit at 3:23, jesus christ....
FishBurningEden 2 years ago
those singles at the end....... he just throws them in there like theyre nothing... my god
Sn4re23 2 years ago 2
his good
londgtr 2 years ago
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his good on a apad but travis can beat his ass on set dude
travisBrulzz 2 years ago
are you taking the piss.
even travis would laugh at you for saying that
FishBurningEden 2 years ago
sorry but R.i.p not nut
Phdinyourdemise 2 years ago 2
lol his head goes mental
nut R.I.P
Phdinyourdemise 2 years ago
R.I.P JIM CHAPIN :(
DruMmMeuR 2 years ago 3
Sanford Augustus Moeller was your teacher.. God bless him..!
jossithapussy 2 years ago 3
he could eat lars ulrich
purphanz 2 years ago 4
Who couldn't?
orangequartermusic 2 years ago