3/7/2011 - Wisconsin Government vs. Union Thugs - Scott Walker Press Conference 3-07-2011

[murderontheorient]

I'm not upset with Walker, but with the leaders.

[unclemerck]

walker must have been drinking walker to live with him self

[bestwayusa1]

Scott Walker is a lier

[2cpus4me]

@bestwayusa1 But he is a good speller. Your union edumacation is showing.

[Superorchestra]

@2cpus4me  Doesn't make him less of a liar "moran". Teabagging assholes!

[Swngthng]

This guy is such a fucking lier, this state does not have a short fall in the budget we have a 127million surplus. He wants to break the unions so he can privatize goverment starting with prisons, then education...wake up ignorant people of Wisconsin get a clue his plan is going to put money in his pocket and then cost the state more in the long run!!

[MrGobsmack]

nice try walker. you are the one standing in the way. everybody now knows this.

to demonize the nefarious 'union leaders', or senator miller makes you look like the petty politician you are.

[masercot]

Okay, let's say that Walker legitimately has a shortfall. Why try to fix it on the backs of the poor and middle-class? Hint: The people that can afford it are the same ones that Walker just gave over a hundred million to...

[2cpus4me]

@masercot What about workers forced to join these unions and pay dues just so they can work in a union shop State? It's bullshit. Home daycare workers in Michigan are forced to pay union dues and are not in a union and don't even know what a union is. More bullshit. Union contracts sometimes take over a year to 'negotiate'... how are local and municipal areas supposed to budget and operate with these constant unknowns about costs, yet by law balance a budget?

[masercot]

@2cpus4me Way to ignore everything I posted, for the purpose of offering non sequitars!  Wisconsin, the state in question, has asked the unions to forgo the raises they wanted for fiscal purposes and they have. Taking, instead, extra benefits. That, oddly enough, helped to balance the budget in Wisconsin.

But, nice rant, son...

[2cpus4me]

@masercot - Tell the whole story. In November after Wisconsin Democrats got wiped out in elections, they called an unprecedented lame duck session together to try and ram through egregious pro-union legislation before Walker came in. They even got a guy out of jail to try and stack votes in their favor. That failed. They fired their leader hoping a new one could help ram it through. Failed. Peddle your 'on the backs of middle class worker' union bullshit somewhere else.

[sep0507]

@2cpus4me What you claim is bullshit more than likely is welcomed and appreciated by those "being forced" to join the Union. Unions are, for the most part, the only thing standing in the way between a safe, secure working environment and a sweat shop. It's apparent you've never been in a Union, so your comments are your opinions. Union members have differing opinions. That's a fact.

[2cpus4me]

@sep0507  No. The thing standing in the way between a safe, secure working environment and a sweat shop at the State level is called Civil Service protections. Besides that, ~90% of other workers don't even have those and they do just fine.

Next you'll be telling us unions produce better products or work harder than the private sector.

[sep0507]

@2cpus4me They do just fine? I guess no family in WI has been evicted from their homes due to foreclosures? I gues the unemployment rate in WI is 0%? Nobody is doing "just fine" except the fat cats who've enlisted the help of greedy politicians to due their bidding. Believe me when I tell you, if the unionss suffer, in any state, shit rolls down hill and the rest of the state will suffer too.

[rhysqqq]

@masercot the people who can afford what? to pay your way?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq No one has paid my way in the past thirty-four years, son. Why not discuss the issue at hand and avoid the ad hominems. Makes you look stupid when you guess wrong...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot You know what makes you look stupid? saying I did an ad hominem attack when I didn't. Do you know what it means? I'll teach you something... these things are called question marks: ? They indicate a question when used at the end of a sentance.

Funny thing is, daughter, that youtube glitched and I wasn't even talking to you. What did you even say about affording anything? Nothing. More lessons for you, neice: if the info doesn't fit, its probably a mistake.

[masercot]

@rhysqqq So, you are a child molester, son? You're right, those question marks take away all responsibility for any stupid remark you might make...

Magic!

[rhysqqq]

@masercot and what exactly was that stupid remark, daughter?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq Your diatribe on question marks implying that a question is not an implication. See? If you ask nicely, you get answers. And, since we aren't talking about someone paying my way, you've run out of relevant things to say...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot actually, it would be relevant to point out at this point that since there's nothing relevant about this conversation, you actually had nothing relevant to say even to say that I have nothing relevant further to say. Your thoughts?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq Well, my original point was: Why is Walker trying to make up the budget deficit by going after the people with the least money?

[rhysqqq]

@masercot Honestly, i dont think the people with the most money work for government therefore, he cant cut government costs by "sticking it to the rich" because the rich dont work for him.

I think the real question is, why have so many government workers when people are broke and cant afford them? Its like getting a nanny even after you lost your job and cant pay for it. Then, if you fire the nanny cause your broke, are you solving your budget on the back of your poor nanny or being realistic?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq We're not talking about nannies. We're talking about teachers, firefighters, CPAs, etc who keep the government going. As for the people with the most money: A) He could raise their taxes and B) stop giving them handouts...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot agreed on stop giving handouts, although I dont know how many WI gives out. I know the feds give out trillions. he COULD raise their taxes, but what about next time the unions want a raise? What if those people who have money leave for states with NO taxes like texas, tenn or fla? people with money have an easy time moving and they do when taxes are raised. With the feds, if they taxed 100% on everyone we'd still be running a debt. and who cares if the government keeps going anyway?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq The unions have agreed to lower than average raises in exchange for better retirement benefits, over the past few years. They haven't been extorting money from the Wisconsin government...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot also, are teachers and firefighters better than nannies? why act like it matters if they're teachers or nannies?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq A nanny is an unnecessary position...a luxury.

[rhysqqq]

@masercot and a huge state government isn't a luxary? the unions shouldnt be able to collective bargain with the government AND use union dues to pay off the dems they then negotiate with. that's the bottom line. unions are just the fundraising arm of the democrat party.

[masercot]

@rhysqqq But, you are fine with republicans getting their money from the wealthy. I'd rather have someone running things who had the average worker in mind than someone who wants to kiss up to a billionaire...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot 9 out of ten of obama's top donors are the banks, the 10th is google, and you think only republicans are funded by wealthy people? get a grip on reality. unions are a mob/dem racket. they dont care about you. do you have any idea how much ghettelfinger made per year?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq Yeah, and he supports legislation that the banks are against. No Quid Pro Quo, just banks covering their bets, son. The mob hasn't been part of the unions for years. They only ended up with the mob because the federal government was shooting them. Read history, son...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot what are you talking about? the banks lobbied for financial reform just like insurance/pharma lobbied for healthcare.

[masercot]

@rhysqqq I'm referring to the current reforms that the Republicans are against.

[rhysqqq]

@masercot could you be more specific? usually when you guys say "reforms" you mean "additional regulations" but im still unaware of any new regulations being proposed at the moment.

[masercot]

@rhysqqq What would it be besides regulations? It's a legislative body, not Batman...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot how about the removal of regulations?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq Deregulation has worked great so far...Look at the airline industry. And, deregulating the banks brought about the mess we are in today. If you have a vicious dog, you need to put it on a leash...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot Plus, how come when they donate to obama, it's CYA, but when they donate to repubs, it's evil?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq Remember the USSR. If the USA did something unitlaterally towards peace, they'd take a little more. Democrats tried to lessen the amount of corporate money going into elections, if you'll recall. Personally, I'd like NO MONEY from ANYONE to go to election campaigns. Just debates. But, to neocons, dollars are citizens and citizens are garbage...

[rhysqqq]

@masercot no love for neocons from me. are you talking about McCain (R) - Feingold (D) campaign cash reform?

No money sounds good but it's not perfect either because then it's up to the evil corporate media who wins. Is that what you want?

[masercot]

@rhysqqq No. Allow anyone to broadcast the debates, just like a State of the Union Speech. I just read some of the Lincoln-Douglas debates. Format? One hour for the first person, ninety minutes for the second and a half hour rebuttal for the first...changing who went first each time. ISSUES! Now, we are so bogged down in minutia we don't know what we are electing...

[sep0507]

@masercot Public employees pay into pension funds. They do not pay Social Security. What concerns me as these loons who feel that they have ridiculous pensions that the taxpayer funds. If they paid into SS this wouldn't be an issue, but the WORD pension is a lighted match for those uniformed. The amount of money deducted from a workers paycheck towards his pension is actually HIGHER than money that would go to SS. This argument is a wash, but ignorant Walker suppporters don't have all the facts.

[masercot]

@sep0507 They have the facts. Like Blanche Dubois, they choose to ignore them...

[SoggyNapkins]

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where the bill goes from eliminating bargaining rights completely from all of the public unions except those that endorsed Scott Walker, to having better negotiating abilities than Federal, or hell, any other unions now have. And for the record, Obama was legitimately elected as well. Walker is royally screwing over the working class in countless ways, measures beyond just gutting unions' bargaining rights. Obama's goal was to level the playing field.

[2cpus4me]

@SoggyNapkins All public unions except those that endorsed him? Very few endorsed him. Probably 95% didn't. He exempted police and firefighters as critical to the general function of society. Ohio just passed a similar measure and the crickets chirped.

Working class? The presumption that only union employees 'work' is laughable.

Obama was legitimately elected. Unfortunately, the legislation he passed is clearly unconstitutional.

[sep0507]

@2cpus4me The police and firefighters union supported Walker and they are not included in his middle class destruction bill. Those are 2 of the biggest unions in the state. Better look at the data before you decide to answer: The middleclass has done as well as the unions have done. If the unions fail, so does the rest of the middle class. It's a domino effect that will definitely happen to ALL of WI middle class.

[2cpus4me]

@sep0507 Middle class has done well? Not even close, especially in Wisconsin.

If unions fail, so does the middle class? You should probably stay in school.

[sep0507]

@2cpus4me Hooray, you got my point. Unions have not done as well as Walker would like you to believe, either. Union members are part of the middle class. They aren't among the elite that Walker hangs around with. There's hope for you yet!

[sep0507]

The only thug here is Scott Walker. NO union has EVER treated its members like this corporate tool is trying to do. This man refuses to negotiate, to him there is no compromise. He talks about reasonable senators when hje is the most UNREASONABLE troll in this fight. He's already sealed his fate as a one term govenor. Almost 70% of Wisconsonites are against his plan. When he talks about the citizens just want to get this donwe, he really means big business.

[2cpus4me]

@sep0507 - Why should he negotiate or compromise? Did Obama with Healthcare? No. Rammed the bill through and to this day we're still finding out what was in it. Republicans stayed and voted.

Scott Walker was legitimately elected. When this is all done, Wisconsin unions will still be intact and have better negotiating abilities than the Federal Unions now have, and members will still be paid well above their private sector counterparts, which is still a crime.

[sep0507]

@2cpus4me Why should he negotiate? Because the dumb ass accuses the dems for refusing to come home and negotiate! Who are they supposed to negotiate with, the fairy God mother? I can see why there are 6, yes 6, petitions being circulated in WI senatorial districts to recall republican senators who agree to this heavy handed betrayal of the public employees. Almost 70% of Wiconson voters disagree with Walkers stand, but he's too dumb to notice or he doesn't care. Take your pick.

[2cpus4me]

@sep0507 Betrayal of public employees? What about the millions of voters who elected Walker?

[sep0507]

@2cpus4me What about them? 1/2 of those millions are against what he is trying to do. He never campaigned once about eliminating bargaining rights for public workers. I'm sure ha dmany who elected him knew what a prick he'd turn out to be, he would've lost the election.

[2cpus4me]

@sep0507 - There are no bargaining 'Rights' for public workers. That's union-propaganda-speak to create the illusion of something being taken away that doesn't exist. Some States allow collective bargaining of some form, others do not. This is at the discretion of the legislature, the temporary voice of the people, and changes over time. To suggest this optional bargaining 'right' represents some type of false permanence is union wishful thinking.

[clay9280]

Who are Unions? Search youtube for “Proud Socialists March at Left-Wing Protest in DC”.