Too long my a** it was never a problem! Instead, why don't you think about how security let ELFs let in with SUCH a BIG banner in the first case? Lamest excuse EVER.
where do ELFs get their sources from? please tell me you guys don't get your 'reliable' sources from people over the internet lol. most of you guys probably weren't even around when this happened nor do you know if this is true. if this really happened, korean media would've mentioned something, but no, they didn't. So many ELFs pass around info as if it's truth >>. talk about total delusion. just like that ELF girl on tumblr spreading rumors LOL or banas falsely accusing darlings of rape tsk.
@Lecmar91 thank you!! i hated when people say "SONE this that, when there is NO evidence beside he said and she said!" I mean i could say "the person ripping that banner is an ELF. They want to keep it as a memory&hang it on the wall" <-thats bullshit. so is this video
LOL @ people still fighting over this. It's already been cleared up ages ago that it wasn't SONEs that did this. It was the people in change in the stadium since the banners were too big. I would think that the security in a concert like this would be tight so how can 4 guys with knives surpass security in the first place? o_O??
Please don´t blame SNSD or SONEs,.. I know that in this days still exist ELFs or cassiopeias who hate us for that incident but that wasn´t SONEs fault...was STUPID & CRAZY PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE TO CALL THEMSELVES FANS >< SuJu & SNSD are family so lets support them! <3
besides cause of that stupid guys SNSD suffer so much when the other fandoms turn their back ;W; even when they don't have fault TT__TT Love & PEACE
I swear other fan bases just put more oil on an already made fire. If everyone were a little bit nicer to the sones and kept it to themselves. I don't think this would have happened.
@BeBeAyumiReturns it says all over the news and stuff about Sones ripping out SUJU banners infront of their eyes and the leader of SUJU was crying cause of that shit . It's just the physco anti's k. During that event , there were threats from the Sones to the SUJU and DBSK fans. Also cussing , rapes , and violence. Many Suju and DBSK fans were sent to hospital. One died during that day/year.
@WH0ALena Nice story(: Please, come on, if that was true, it will be all over the Korean media -.- Rape ? Seriously ? Fucking in front so many ppl ? -'-
wow...ppl should also film how sones wanted elf's seat...ppl these days..dun have to be so rude about other bands just because u don't like them..sheesh
i was there :3 i didn't turn off my glow stick when snsd performed...but sones did cause a little trouble x3. but everything is sooo exaggerated by everyone in the comments below. CALM YO TITS
@yayashinee Shut the fuck up k -'- Whore ? Have you seen us fucking around ? Ans it;s some of the ksones not all . Get the fuck out and don't insult other fandoms. Not fit to be a shawol at all .
Honestly, who cares. It's a banner. You should either support the group you like or sit down. There is NEVER need for BS fighting between groups, especially not groups in the same family >.<
@angelspit lot's of effort are put in that banner... so it's not just a banner. It's some of the sones fault, some should have to check their behavious, they should have respected them and not have done this.
@yongseoLOVE Except just by saying that you blame SONEs is exactly what I'm getting at - a banner is just paper in the end, but the fans who create drama and hatred make issues out of nothing. You're just perpetuating the hate by saying that.
@angelspit i'm just saying that some should have an attitude check... this is so childish.. banner ripping? you just said so yourself.. just support the group you like and sit down and there should be no fighting between groups especially in the same family. so y they do that? this is just plain disrespectful.. what if this was done with your fandom? wouldn't you think this was disrepectful?... anyway.. i hope you got my point and let's end this this issue was long ago.
@yongseoLOVE "There is NEVER need for BS fighting between groups, especially not groups in the same family >.<" was my original comment - I'm not arguing with you, I'm agreeing! XD
i love it how people always say "thanks to the antis (insert group here) is now on top or whatever"..just,no? i dont think so lol its because of the fans. as an elf i must say that ripping of a banner is cruel, no matter for which group it stands for. people worked hard on banners, so everyone should respect that. thank god this issue (black ocean etc.) didnt happen again lol
I don't like SNSD, i don't hate them either. I like some of them also. And im not going to blame SNSD, this is just SONE's Behaviour, and also ELF's. Please don't blame the groups! They just want their fans to be happy and don't want problems!
people, sones didn't ripped the banner, a WONDERFUL DID, AND IT BEEN PROVED, because of this, us sones and snsd got all the hatred we doesn't deserved
@Jungahlovex3 Can you send me the link of the page? :/
I'm an ELF. A big ELF. But I'm not a SNSD-anti... Nor am I a SONE (god forbid), BUT, THIS IS AWEFUL AND DISRESPECTUFUL TO ELF AND SJ!!! If I get my hands on those morons that did that.... -.-
Anyway, I bet not all SONEs (or Wonderfuls, according to Jungahlovex3) are like that.... There must be some normal fans out there.. O.o If not, the world is screwed.
But, I support my ELFs and I want a revenge >.> I'll become an anti
@Hyukjae4everyword i forgot, search on allkpop forum "dream concert 2008 incident", im not sure if it was a wonderful or not, BUT it been proved that it wasnt sone BUT we got all the blames afterward .__. all fandoms hated on us even though it wasnt our fault...
it so rude.....can we just stop fighting and just make a peace???did u realize,because us(fans),they are suffering....please STOP make them SUFFERING ANYMORE.....they always show us a cheerful smile but behind us,they sad....they crying but they didn't show it to us because they didn't want to make us worried.....so think about it.....
People are crazy! Can't we all live in peace and appreciate other kpop idol groups, seriously? It's more fun and way BETTER if it were like that...just my opinion *all kpop groups HWAITING <3!*
i was there me and my cousin got hit buy a sone in our EYEs it was crazy and the sad ting was that when SNSD was perfroming all of the E.L.FS ,CASSIEOPEIA & TRIPLE S truned off their lights and started booing and call them sluts and stuff it was just sad they got eaten alive and the fans were like SAVAGES
You know what? im fucking tired of seeing ELFS and SONES clash.
SNSD does need to have some attittude changes and some desperate SONES have got to behave themselves and stop ruining the image for SNSD. As for ELFS, I understand why y'all are mad cuz it hurt me to see an SJ banner ripped like that, but whats happened already happened. it just cant happen again. Also, we should stop catagorizing all the sones in one group. obviously, there are the insane cuckoo SONES and the actually true fans.
@tiffanysub14 This made Eeteuk Oppa cry, if it was security guards ripping it he wouldn't have cried and he would ahve understood . Security Guards would NOT have ripped the banner they would ahve carefully tooken it off instead. Also I don't think Security Guards wear pink while their on the job,, You can see the people ripping banner are wearing pink.
@KyuRiHyun I known that Leetuek oppa cried, I'm sad too. I'm an E.L.F but also a Sone, I don't want those too FC having war. If it's Sone fault than I will say sorry for them. Now everything is just the past, if you and I talk about it, it won't help, so just be happy together. Super Generation!!! ^______^
@KyuRiHyun I never did that kind of stuff, but I just don't know why people keep blaming on Sone. Some Sone are not like that. But anyways, if you want to, just blame and anti on Sone, don't blame and anti on SNSD, it's their fault.
@tiffanysub14 Again..... I'm NOT blaming all Sones,,, There are real Hardcore fans who would do whatever just to prove that their group is the best,, And there are others who would would never think of doing things like the banner being ripped off :o Im blaming the sones who did that, NOT Sones who are calm like you :D
First of all i dont see shit! all i see is a banner! second of all how do you know they're sones (assuming this is true) 3rd of all ELFs need to stfu and MOVE ON sones moved on now its your turn.
I think despite the disrespectful people ripping the banner in this video, SNSD really respect super junior as their seniors and older brothers.. and I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of SONE out there that really respect SUPER JUNIOR and ELF so yeah.. what I'm trying to say is.. stop treating kpop like it's some kind of a political battle or something
Three minutes of ripping the thing and someone didn't call fucking security? SNSD could have even played it honorable and played the Axl Rose card. "Hey man, don't fuck wit the posters!" Seriously? Everyone in this situation is stupid. Antis, sones, SNSD themselves, the people running the venue, no one was doing their job. >:|
if really there's 5 sones who getting rude,ripping banner, and going violent with knife, even pushing some elf, that SONEs really doing criminal action, did that elf call the police? I think that 5 sones can go to Jail...seriously.
@curutcutGee SONES were like this because of the silent treatment mostly. it really hurt snsd even tho they didnt even have any fault...sones had to do something about it right? but they took it out on elfs, not on super junior. that's what the other fanclubs should have done. they should have solves issues with SONES not make snsd cry.
Its so shaky I can't see a thing. But judging by your comments, I'm not a SONE or ELF, but this is plain disrespectful. wth, just sit silently while a group is performing la. If you hate that group just sit down silently and watch them, or do your own business until their performance is over. Sheesh, lucky suju and snsd got to where they are now, recieving tons of awards and love from good and TRUE fans with good attitude. hmph.
what is wrong with you guys???if you don't like them just don't go to their concerts and don't listening their music,songs...OMG you are really crazy...this is called obsession go to a psychologist..i hate that..i don't understand if you don't like them why would you go to their concerts?..this really demonstrates that these people are not healthy head they are insane...:((:((
Those few SONEs were being incredibly rude.. I'm glad the entire fanbase isn't like that though :/ Imagine what the fanwars would be like *shivers*
Although I'm not a SONE, I'm really embarrassed by the all crazy kpop fans that do these sort of things, international or not. People generalize. There are plenty of us who are respectful. I'm not an anti for anyone. :]
I just wish that now in the future the SM Town family can get along better ^_^; And that we never have another black ocean again.
This is not SNSD or SUJU's fault. It's the fans faults for being immatures, so stop accusing one and other for this thing. Most SONE's are really disrespectful and over protective. But on the other side ELF's are also the same. So there is no one to blame but the immature fans. I actually really love SNSD and SUJU.
These comments really piss me off. I'm a SONE and an ELF. Will you guys please stop blaming the 2 groups? Yes, the SONE's were disrespectful and yes, sometimes ELF's are disrespectful too. And I know what the SONE's did here was really mean and the lowest you can go, but this is the past. ELF's and SONE's should get along 'cause SNSD and SUJU are really close. SUJU & SNSD, hwaiting~
These people saying SONEs are rude are quite humorous. So all the people during the performance of SNSD boo-ing them, shouting Wonder Girls and turning off all the glowsticks off arent rude? Ha. Some people here make me laugh. I think disrespecting artist is worse than fans being crazy. Fan's just need to calm and control their own fuxking behaviour. SNSD didn't deserve to go through that. ALL FANS involved in this should reflect on what they did jeez. Lack of respect much ¬_¬ .
Some sones are pissing you off? Well it's because you're saying Sones were the ones who ripped the banner even though you don't know the whole truth.
SNSD don't have a good behaviour? What about Shindong(SUJU) who was playing around and grabbing attention while KARA was thanking the audience?
How rude was it when SuperJunior fans , DBSK fans were shouting "Wonder Girls" while SNSD was performing? Sungmin was very angry about this, as he said, SuperJunior and SNSD are family. Support them aswell
hey, i'm not trying to be rude but some sones are serious piss me off ! i don't hate every member of snsd but some sones with their not so good behavior makes me hate snsd more. i respect for the kindness and nice way of talking from sones but seriously some of sones ain't getting it right. so i won't be a standers if the group and fanclub attitude is well, kinda friendly n civil i guess.
When you think about it, Elfs and all the other fanclubs who initiated the Black Ocean are pretty rude as well. Why do SNSD get all the hatred? Were they the one who tore down the banner? I don't think so! I'm not trying to be an anti. All I'm saying is people should be reasonable about this and try to understand the situation first before bashing on SNSD. If you want to blame on someone, then why don't you people beat up that idiotic Sone who did it instead of bashing on an innocent group?
IMO, I think antis are antis because of the fan clubs, and not the group itself. The way I see it fans and antis are alike in terms of attitude. They feed off each others' hatred. DBSK, Super Junior, and SNSD are all family. Why can't the fans be the same??
.. people i just heard news that elfs, cassies, and triple s (i think) are planning a black ocean to b2st this dc 2011 because they have the same color as sj. how rude?!? all i can say is korean fans, are so much devoted to their idols that it comes to this, like what happened to snsd in dc 08. korean fans are watching their idols 24/7. they're super devoted! unlike other fans from other countries they just keep it cool. they're fine by just seeing their idols happy and healthy! :)
SONE please behave..if you don't do that..there might be no war after all..watch your attitudes..LOL if i am a member of SNSD i will be ashame to have this kind of fans!
Uhh i heard from a website that they only ripped down the banner because some of Super Juniors fans ripped snsd's banner FIRST. I like both groups but people that say only SONES should apologize should read up on the topic and not just blame them.
@bbhui I'm not shooting rumors, I'm just saying what i saw on some WEBSITE that said some of the fans from SJ ripped down theirs first. I dont know if it happened or not but why do people only blame SONEs when everyone of the other fanclubs was being very rude during SNSD's performance?
@AliyahKaulitz yea sure, show us the website. for all you know a sone wrote it, lmao.
one thing to be clear of, nobody has the power to get a whole fanbase to go against some random girl group, unless somethin freakin offensive happened. in that case, it was the sones' actions. DUH. its all karma, you get what you give, so nothin to complain about. snsd doesnt deserve the treatment, but sones does.
@bbhui You dont have to believe me but im just telling you i saw a website with that info. You dont have to get all mad about it. Yes i do agree the SONES were rude to tear down the banner but the other fan groups don't have to take it out on the SNSD by causing the "Black Ocean." I'm not going to argue about this anymore since this happened a looong time ago and this is useless since i love both bands so yea.
@Pip12722 I was just suggesting. if it was then its the sone's fault, but news about rape and all kinds of things, i don't people it. and some sones are really rude to other fangroups too i know, but it's not like i can do anything. just remember that not all sones are like that and we def. do not want war between us and other fan groups. i hope in the coming dream concert they wont receive the black ocean again. its not snsd's fault. not exactly.
@Xocute4evaxo but you're still helping those fans talk bad even if they're rude! Sones get blame the most because they did wrong the most.. And who say that other group fans don't get blame? They also get blame by antis.. But they seldom get blamed.. Everybody must have revenge if they did wrong.. And I know I'm wrong saying bad stuff about sones here.. And sones is wrong by tearing suju's banner..
@xocute4evaxo I've search for it but how come there are no results saying snsd apologized? And if sones love snsd, they should apologize for them.. Not just letting snsd apologize themselves.. That make sones irresponsible!
I don't think any of us here knows the WHOLE truth, but what i know is, people are ALWAYS blaming SONES, for e.g. this incident, i'm not denying or admitting to anything, but i DID hear about this incident, but i ALSO heard about what happened right before this incident, which no one seems to have mentioned (or would like to mention *rolls eyes*). *sigh* but i don't want to go on with this. so, PEACE everyone. SM TOWN love <3
@xocute4evaxo no offense but except for this, what did we blame on sones? we blame on sones who did wrong.. but we don't simply blame on them with no reason.. what's the matter with using ALWAYS?
@TheMusical9 i said, i don't want to mention it here, because it'd cause the fanwar to star again.
what i'm trying to say is, i'm not denying that SONES could be wrong, but then people make it seem like that its ONLY their fault, when really, there are other fanclubs at fault too, and i don't want to name any in particular because i don't want fans of SM artists to fight anymore.
@xocute4evaxo what's the meaning of using ALWAYS.. Super Junior even ask ELF to don't hate the sones after knowing sones ripping off their poster! but what did snsd do? they just act like nothing happen...
@xocute4evaxo why? can't find any proof of people ALWAYS blame sones? like what @kpopfan013 said.. sones did wrong by tearing suju's banner and we can't blame them? if we tear snsd's banner off like how sones did, u won't blame us? sones act like nothing happen after tearing suju's banner and blame us on blaming on them! sones help sones whether if it's a good sone or a bad sone..
@TheMusical9 i never said SONES weren't wrong. Read my comment, i said "i'm not denying that SONES could be wrong", all i'm saying is, that i don't 100% believe everything that has been said about the dream concert incident. And i'm just saying, that SONES seems to be the fanclub that gets blamed the most, even if other fanclubs have done wrong as well. THATs all.
Yeah, BLAME EVERYTHING TO EVERY SINGLE F*CKING SONE OUT HERE!! (sarcasm ) Don't generalize Sones... I don't know why, but this is getting tiring, like when you become a new fan of DBSK or SJ, you have to automatically hate SNSD without even knowing them because they "hurt our oppars"... Keep on hating haters, look at where SNSD is now, thanks to you antis.. =)
Listen you! Many people are just hating SNSD because of WHAT SOME SONES DID! No wonder people said that SONES are the rudest fan club of all no matter how close SNSD are with other groups! I'm a sone and hopefully, they'll advise SOME SONES not to be rude!
@iamrynne not EVERY SINGLE F*CKING SONE OUT HERE is as mean as those FCKIN SONES RIPPIN THE BANNER , im a sone but i find them FUCKING BASTARDS also . pls stop this argument , its ridiculous and childish that u take it out on all SONES
@iamrynne You know? STFU ok? Not all Sones are rude like those Sones who are ripping up the poster. I'm an ELF, so don't be such an immature baby to take it out on ALL Sones, because that's really rude, especially to Super Junior.
Of course they blame the SONES for this -___- How the fuck do you even know if it was a SONE or not? It could be an a hole that thought it would be funny to mess with their poster geez!
i don't like people fighting....please stop fighting! let's not put all the blame on sones when we,elfs know that we also have done something wrong or else sones wouldn't act like that..i'm not siding anyone or anything ok? to tell you the truth,i was also angry with sones and blamed it on them...because of that,i didn't like snsd cuz of the sones but then i slowly started forgiving them until the point until i love snsd already. i still don't like SOME sones...but PLEASE stop fighting! SJ 4ever
Where is the SM Town love?? If Suju, SHINee, SNSD, f(x), Boa and more can ALL get along, then why can't we all? We're just making it even more difficult for our favorite artists, if we keep fighting on like this, it'll make the relationship between the idols, really awkward. We can all tell how close they are, Heechul and Jessica, Heechul and Sulli, Donghae and Yoona, Boa and the SHINee boys, they are a FAMILY. I'm a sone but I'm more than happy to be friends with elfs, shawols and cassies too.
honestly, this kinda stuff, completely stupid. cassie, elfs and sones belongs together in the same family just as dbsk suju and snsd are. dbsk, suju and snsd love and support each other. why can't the fans follow suit. this is seriously retarded, i dont see such things happening in yg/jyp entertainment. you dont see blackjacks hating vips, or hottest hating wonderful...
whilst i did not see the banner-ripping, i clearly saw 5 SONEs harrassing girls. and those were only the ones i saw from my seat. one girl was pushed over a banister, but thankfully it was only 1 metre or so high. witness accounts posted all over the internet you cannot deny.
Omg seriously. to people going: "it was too unclear, no one has proof". so are you going to disregard the ton of witness accounts? what BS. I ATTENDED the concert, but though i did not see the banner ripping- and therefore who did it, just ask yourselves if it makes SENSE that other fanclubs ripped it. E.L.F.s, Cassiopeias, Triple S and Wonderfuls are well-known to get alone fine alongside each other. No problems existed until SNSD attended. Who has motivation to do it? SONEs do.
"ELF were angered and tore an SNSD poster, the fanboys the retaliated by teaing down an "only 13" poster. After the only 13 posters were moved to the back ELF attacked back by pouring water on the boys who in return became violent and threated them with knives."
ELF ripped a poster first
its not illegal to retaliate if someone pushes me ill push them back
@faithfulunmei I'll quote back to you, "ELF were angered". You only quoted the bit of the description which helped what you think. Do you want to compare drawing knives on people to pouring water after being provoked? Do you? So you think it's justified to physically hurt someone out of retaliation? How immature. YEAR 2010 THERE WAS A BLACK OCEAN AGAIN. Are you trying to blame it on everyone but SONEs again? SONEs were wrong, dont make excuses.
Some immature SONEs are just causing more people to hate on SNSD and their fanclub. Why can't they just get along with the other fanclubs and respect them and not bashing on other groups and their fanclubs, causing more fanwars and hating. But it is nice that other fanclubs can get along well like E.L.F.s, Cassiopeias, Triple S and Wonderfuls.
"ELF were angered and tore an SNSD poster, the fanboys the retaliated by teaing down an "only 13" poster. After the only 13 posters were moved to the back ELF attacked back by pouring water on the boys who in return became violent and threated them with knives."
XDlol sones didnt rip a banner first,
read the description of the video
Sones wouldnt have to act crazy if people didnt go around pouring water on them,boycotting SNSD,and trying to rip SNSD banners
20, 30 or 15 sones DOESN'T REPRESENT THE WHOLE SONES FANCLUB. you guys stop blaming everything to EVERY SINGLE SONE in THIS WHOLE WIDE WORLD. we clearly know that only SOME OF THEM did it. not sure who, not sure why.but we have no right to say "oh they did it because they know SNSD is not that popular so they're gonna ruin others'" that's just being unfair to SONES who are completely and definitely innocent.*not siding anyone here.I'm an ELF too and I'm also angry to some SONES who did it* PEACE
@nguhientoloan don't generalize.. karma will come.. if you don't believe, fine.. i just hope you realize what you said is rude and mean. NOT ALL SONES ARE LIKE THESE ONES who ripped suju's banner. now i'm sorry if i offended you, but i know you offended more people than i did. i'm sorry.
How sad...SONE's under such a sad misconception. SNSD didn't do anything wrong AT THE TIME, I'd admit. But they should have done SOMETHING after it. Like put their fanclub back in order. Leeteuk from SJ would straighten ELF's when they do something wrong. Why doesn't Taeyeon? Why didn't SNSD apologize to SS501 and Triple S, Super Junior and ELF's, or DBSK and Cassies? Dream Concerts used to be peaceful, but during SNSD's first DC, what do we have? A riot. So tell me how SNSD is not to blame.
@yousuck245678 but SNSD didn't start it. i don't know why they didn't apologize at least. *that's wrong* but blaming SNSD is not right. yes maybe the fights started after the dream concert with them, but why would you blame SNSD when the ones you should be blaming ARE SOME OF THE SONES who really did it.? who knows what really happened? some have different stories coz we are all biased. sorry if i sound rude, just stating my opinion. peace. :)
Before the concert, when SONE's found out about the seating plan, some even started wishing death upon ELF's. Why? I don't know. Just because SNSD isn't as popular as you think? Boo-hoo. Is that a reason to say, "Let's drop bricks on ELF's heads! Let's kill them!" Really? SONE's also stole ELF seats. Hello? SNSD isn't as popular as SJ, so there's really no legit reason to do that. Plus, even if they only had 3 sections, they would struggle to fill it all. That's just pathetic.
@abelagnes On the contrary, I think it is you that needs to go research a bit more. SONE's did, in fact, steal the tickets. There are several death threats, not only on Youtube, but many other websites. I am an ELF, and when I heard that a fellow ELF, only 14 years old, was beaten by several SONE's, 20 years of age, of course I would be angry. Several ELF's and Cassies had to be hospitalized. If I'm so misinformed, would you care to enlighten me on your 'oh so right' information?
some says it was WG fans and some says it was security guard... BTW this is SNSD's performance rayt?? (obviously bcoz it is dark..) why would a sone would rip of a banner during snsd's performance so it means he/she doesn't care about snsd in other words IT"S NOT A SONE.............................
why the hell did the boys did that, god if i was there i would kick some a** even if it was a boy i wouldnt care if they have a knife, if they hurt any ELF or super junior member i would come after them but im glad its over now Super junior fighting<33 also im not mean but im just protecting suju and ELFs.
im rofling at all the people defending snsd. WE DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. this is about some SONES being extremely rude and disrespectful and endorsing violence in an effort to ...get what? revenge? recognition? giving their whole fan club a bad name. not SNSD directly, but definitely indirectly. got it? :) many other people blame snsd, because after suju asked their fans to support them all (i cant remember if dbsk did), snsd said ZIP in return, did not apologise for their fan's actions.
@DrPuppyful dude, what makes you think i wasn't there? i didn't see them banner ripping, but i did see 2 sones push a girl over a banister, which luckily was only a metre off the ground when she was trying to get back to her seat. i think the question is, were YOU there? banner ripping aside, there are COUNTless other eyewitnesses for other things and reports written on blogs all over the internet. please dont make excuses for some sone's actions.
Poor E.L.Fs >><< I' wish i could give u guys a hug. Atrocious those people were, ridiculous at their most! Brutal actions should be punished.
MillieELF 2 days ago
Too long my a** it was never a problem! Instead, why don't you think about how security let ELFs let in with SUCH a BIG banner in the first case? Lamest excuse EVER.
MillieELF 2 days ago
where do ELFs get their sources from? please tell me you guys don't get your 'reliable' sources from people over the internet lol. most of you guys probably weren't even around when this happened nor do you know if this is true. if this really happened, korean media would've mentioned something, but no, they didn't. So many ELFs pass around info as if it's truth >>. talk about total delusion. just like that ELF girl on tumblr spreading rumors LOL or banas falsely accusing darlings of rape tsk.
FluiccoloPro 1 week ago 3
People who support me while attacking others, I do not consider them my fans." - Kim Heechul
MrKnowitstrue 1 week ago
wow it's SO OBVIOUS that is a Sone. show me police reports and korean news articles about this and i'll believe it.
Lecmar91 2 weeks ago 6
@Lecmar91 thank you!! i hated when people say "SONE this that, when there is NO evidence beside he said and she said!" I mean i could say "the person ripping that banner is an ELF. They want to keep it as a memory&hang it on the wall" <-thats bullshit. so is this video
MrKnowitstrue 1 week ago
How do you even know whether they are sones?
maplesealer 4 weeks ago
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maplesealer 4 weeks ago
oh fucking!!
patriciabeabonzon 4 weeks ago
I can't see any ripping?
FanzOfSNSD 1 month ago 6
LOL @ people still fighting over this. It's already been cleared up ages ago that it wasn't SONEs that did this. It was the people in change in the stadium since the banners were too big. I would think that the security in a concert like this would be tight so how can 4 guys with knives surpass security in the first place? o_O??
jumpthenfall0902 1 month ago 9
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urBobbleHead 1 month ago
Please don´t blame SNSD or SONEs,.. I know that in this days still exist ELFs or cassiopeias who hate us for that incident but that wasn´t SONEs fault...was STUPID & CRAZY PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE TO CALL THEMSELVES FANS >< SuJu & SNSD are family so lets support them! <3
besides cause of that stupid guys SNSD suffer so much when the other fandoms turn their back ;W; even when they don't have fault TT__TT Love & PEACE
TiffanySunKyuHwang9 1 month ago
I swear other fan bases just put more oil on an already made fire. If everyone were a little bit nicer to the sones and kept it to themselves. I don't think this would have happened.
aznchikki96 1 month ago
are people are not call people any more? why are you labelling people as SONE, ELF... is there any mark on their forehead or something?
fatihahtesl9 1 month ago
It is not an incident. They meant to do it.
SJlover111 1 month ago 8
@SJlover111 I think you got mistaken with "accident" ... there's a BIG difference :)
foxxycombatarms 2 weeks ago
@foxxycombatarms :) yeah I did.. :)
SJlover111 2 weeks ago
please don't judge or bashing sone or snsd and super junior, they are in the same company, they're family!
RiverRainy11 1 month ago
Man , I wouldve gone over there and attack them . Why wouldn't anybody do anything ?
these anti's are physco's
I hate some SONE fans , they are just so obsessive .
WH0ALena 1 month ago
All of this over music? jeez
KyonKun0993 1 month ago
Why can't fanbases all get along and enjoy Kpop together especially when their favorite groups are from the same family?!It's crazy...
OPockyxLuvO 2 months ago
sones so rude,,
scoopynice 2 months ago
wow, I can see that person holding a pink balloon.
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OR HOW DO YOU BITCHES KNOW IT WAS A SONE? ;)
BeBeAyumiReturns 2 months ago
@BeBeAyumiReturns it says all over the news and stuff about Sones ripping out SUJU banners infront of their eyes and the leader of SUJU was crying cause of that shit . It's just the physco anti's k. During that event , there were threats from the Sones to the SUJU and DBSK fans. Also cussing , rapes , and violence. Many Suju and DBSK fans were sent to hospital. One died during that day/year.
WH0ALena 1 month ago
@WH0ALena Nice story(: Please, come on, if that was true, it will be all over the Korean media -.- Rape ? Seriously ? Fucking in front so many ppl ? -'-
ReginaSoshified98 1 month ago
@ReginaSoshified98 who said in front of the people ? ahahah. Apparently it was . I didn't say all the FANS , k . It was only the anti's .
WH0ALena 1 month ago
Crazy SONEs. I hate them and SNSD.
BilIisHotAsHell 2 months ago
is there concrete evidence that it was sones? All i keep reading is :
"people saw a sone .."
^^not got evidence....
MrKnowitstrue 2 months ago
Woah. I am SONE and I don't believe that I can do any of these at all. ><
Because I LOVE SUJU too D:
Gruntbrina 2 months ago
wow...ppl should also film how sones wanted elf's seat...ppl these days..dun have to be so rude about other bands just because u don't like them..sheesh
EnchantedBloom0813 2 months ago
all i can say is SONES you are a full of shit!
ahLynMC 2 months ago 3
i was there :3 i didn't turn off my glow stick when snsd performed...but sones did cause a little trouble x3. but everything is sooo exaggerated by everyone in the comments below. CALM YO TITS
shineefollower 2 months ago
how do they know that the one who ripped the banner is SONE?? are they wearing the name tag SONE during the concert?
shirlyn611 2 months ago
@shirlyn611 pink ballon, pink glow stick..those kind of things...i went to dream concert 08 :/ i didn't like it to much xD
shineefollower 2 months ago
SONES +SNSD = BITCH ! WHORE ! DEVILS !
yayashinee 2 months ago
@yayashinee kpop+fans = Drama!&& dumb fanwars
MrKnowitstrue 2 months ago
@yayashinee I agree completely.
BilIisHotAsHell 2 months ago
@yayashinee Shut the fuck up k -'- Whore ? Have you seen us fucking around ? Ans it;s some of the ksones not all . Get the fuck out and don't insult other fandoms. Not fit to be a shawol at all .
ReginaSoshified98 1 month ago
some sone's behaviors are so out of control! calm yo balls!>.<
EpicRainbownizedStar 2 months ago
This camera keeps shaking I'm really dizzy °~°
kwonYuri128 3 months ago
Honestly, who cares. It's a banner. You should either support the group you like or sit down. There is NEVER need for BS fighting between groups, especially not groups in the same family >.<
angelspit 3 months ago
@angelspit lot's of effort are put in that banner... so it's not just a banner. It's some of the sones fault, some should have to check their behavious, they should have respected them and not have done this.
yongseoLOVE 3 months ago
@yongseoLOVE Except just by saying that you blame SONEs is exactly what I'm getting at - a banner is just paper in the end, but the fans who create drama and hatred make issues out of nothing. You're just perpetuating the hate by saying that.
angelspit 3 months ago
@angelspit i'm just saying that some should have an attitude check... this is so childish.. banner ripping? you just said so yourself.. just support the group you like and sit down and there should be no fighting between groups especially in the same family. so y they do that? this is just plain disrespectful.. what if this was done with your fandom? wouldn't you think this was disrepectful?... anyway.. i hope you got my point and let's end this this issue was long ago.
yongseoLOVE 3 months ago
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@yongseoLOVE "There is NEVER need for BS fighting between groups, especially not groups in the same family >.<" was my original comment - I'm not arguing with you, I'm agreeing! XD
angelspit 3 months ago
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FUCK U ANTIS !
OchaSyamsuri 3 months ago
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i love it how people always say "thanks to the antis (insert group here) is now on top or whatever"..just,no? i dont think so lol its because of the fans. as an elf i must say that ripping of a banner is cruel, no matter for which group it stands for. people worked hard on banners, so everyone should respect that. thank god this issue (black ocean etc.) didnt happen again lol
Teddy4Tribe 3 months ago
I don't like SNSD, i don't hate them either. I like some of them also. And im not going to blame SNSD, this is just SONE's Behaviour, and also ELF's. Please don't blame the groups! They just want their fans to be happy and don't want problems!
Im an E.L.F C:! Fighting!
YAINX 4 months ago 58
@YAINX I LOVE YOU!
liszt1996 4 months ago
@liszt1996 Thanks, some support ;-;! I hate fanwars :C!
YAINX 4 months ago
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disrespect SUJU and ELFs, then this as what you will get, HATRED!!!
sweetpotato122492 4 months ago
people, sones didn't ripped the banner, a WONDERFUL DID, AND IT BEEN PROVED, because of this, us sones and snsd got all the hatred we doesn't deserved
Jungahlovex3 4 months ago
@Jungahlovex3 Can you send me the link of the page? :/
I'm an ELF. A big ELF. But I'm not a SNSD-anti... Nor am I a SONE (god forbid), BUT, THIS IS AWEFUL AND DISRESPECTUFUL TO ELF AND SJ!!! If I get my hands on those morons that did that.... -.-
Anyway, I bet not all SONEs (or Wonderfuls, according to Jungahlovex3) are like that.... There must be some normal fans out there.. O.o If not, the world is screwed.
But, I support my ELFs and I want a revenge >.> I'll become an anti
SJ, ELFs fighting!
Hyukjae4everyword 4 months ago
@Hyukjae4everyword i forgot, search on allkpop forum "dream concert 2008 incident", im not sure if it was a wonderful or not, BUT it been proved that it wasnt sone BUT we got all the blames afterward .__. all fandoms hated on us even though it wasnt our fault...
Jungahlovex3 4 months ago
@Jungahlovex3 alright... thanks... i'll search ^^
Hyukjae4everyword 4 months ago
and please support each other.....
refa4everelf 4 months ago
it so rude.....can we just stop fighting and just make a peace???did u realize,because us(fans),they are suffering....please STOP make them SUFFERING ANYMORE.....they always show us a cheerful smile but behind us,they sad....they crying but they didn't show it to us because they didn't want to make us worried.....so think about it.....
refa4everelf 4 months ago
People are crazy! Can't we all live in peace and appreciate other kpop idol groups, seriously? It's more fun and way BETTER if it were like that...just my opinion *all kpop groups HWAITING <3!*
clarisse165 4 months ago
i was there me and my cousin got hit buy a sone in our EYEs it was crazy and the sad ting was that when SNSD was perfroming all of the E.L.FS ,CASSIEOPEIA & TRIPLE S truned off their lights and started booing and call them sluts and stuff it was just sad they got eaten alive and the fans were like SAVAGES
XItsxANGELbaby 5 months ago 2
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i think haters are the one who helps SNSD to increase their popularity aside from s♥nes!~
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pinkishbluish18 5 months ago
You know what? im fucking tired of seeing ELFS and SONES clash.
SNSD does need to have some attittude changes and some desperate SONES have got to behave themselves and stop ruining the image for SNSD. As for ELFS, I understand why y'all are mad cuz it hurt me to see an SJ banner ripped like that, but whats happened already happened. it just cant happen again. Also, we should stop catagorizing all the sones in one group. obviously, there are the insane cuckoo SONES and the actually true fans.
iLoveBoojae 5 months ago
So this is the banner that made Eeteuk Oppa cry ! WTF SONES!?!
KyuRiHyun 5 months ago
@KyuRiHyun why you blamed on Sone, gave me prove that they are Sone, if u don't have prove, then stop blaming on Sone
tiffanysub14 5 months ago
@tiffanysub14 This made Eeteuk Oppa cry, if it was security guards ripping it he wouldn't have cried and he would ahve understood . Security Guards would NOT have ripped the banner they would ahve carefully tooken it off instead. Also I don't think Security Guards wear pink while their on the job,, You can see the people ripping banner are wearing pink.
KyuRiHyun 5 months ago
@KyuRiHyun I known that Leetuek oppa cried, I'm sad too. I'm an E.L.F but also a Sone, I don't want those too FC having war. If it's Sone fault than I will say sorry for them. Now everything is just the past, if you and I talk about it, it won't help, so just be happy together. Super Generation!!! ^______^
tiffanysub14 5 months ago
@tiffanysub14 And I'm not Blaming all SONES, I'm just talking about the few Sones who did that :O
You are probably one of those ignorant Sones who won't admit that sones (and other FC) Can get all crazy and do stupid stuff like that -_____-
KyuRiHyun 5 months ago
@KyuRiHyun I never did that kind of stuff, but I just don't know why people keep blaming on Sone. Some Sone are not like that. But anyways, if you want to, just blame and anti on Sone, don't blame and anti on SNSD, it's their fault.
tiffanysub14 5 months ago
@tiffanysub14 Again..... I'm NOT blaming all Sones,,, There are real Hardcore fans who would do whatever just to prove that their group is the best,, And there are others who would would never think of doing things like the banner being ripped off :o Im blaming the sones who did that, NOT Sones who are calm like you :D
KyuRiHyun 5 months ago
@KyuRiHyun anyways, I don't want to talk about these kind of fans, just ignore them, they ruin my day :)
tiffanysub14 5 months ago
@tiffanysub14 Okee^^!
KyuRiHyun 5 months ago
First of all i dont see shit! all i see is a banner! second of all how do you know they're sones (assuming this is true) 3rd of all ELFs need to stfu and MOVE ON sones moved on now its your turn.
Kaleido37 5 months ago
uhm can i ask you something...is there any proof that the ppl who ripped the banner r sone?thks
allhoed 5 months ago
I think despite the disrespectful people ripping the banner in this video, SNSD really respect super junior as their seniors and older brothers.. and I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of SONE out there that really respect SUPER JUNIOR and ELF so yeah.. what I'm trying to say is.. stop treating kpop like it's some kind of a political battle or something
otchiiii 5 months ago
NOT ALL SONES ARE LIKE THAT KIND OF BRAIN BIRD SONES WHO RIPPED THE BANNER...
goddessdaraful 5 months ago
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FANDOM is scary... :( KOREAN FANS are really something.. specially teenagers..
sassyrhose 6 months ago in playlist Queue (34)
Three minutes of ripping the thing and someone didn't call fucking security? SNSD could have even played it honorable and played the Axl Rose card. "Hey man, don't fuck wit the posters!" Seriously? Everyone in this situation is stupid. Antis, sones, SNSD themselves, the people running the venue, no one was doing their job. >:|
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Subogral 6 months ago
if really there's 5 sones who getting rude,ripping banner, and going violent with knife, even pushing some elf, that SONEs really doing criminal action, did that elf call the police? I think that 5 sones can go to Jail...seriously.
curutcutGee 6 months ago
@curutcutGee SONES were like this because of the silent treatment mostly. it really hurt snsd even tho they didnt even have any fault...sones had to do something about it right? but they took it out on elfs, not on super junior. that's what the other fanclubs should have done. they should have solves issues with SONES not make snsd cry.
hominyshoe 5 months ago
Its so shaky I can't see a thing. But judging by your comments, I'm not a SONE or ELF, but this is plain disrespectful. wth, just sit silently while a group is performing la. If you hate that group just sit down silently and watch them, or do your own business until their performance is over. Sheesh, lucky suju and snsd got to where they are now, recieving tons of awards and love from good and TRUE fans with good attitude. hmph.
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dydy92100 7 months ago
what is wrong with you guys???if you don't like them just don't go to their concerts and don't listening their music,songs...OMG you are really crazy...this is called obsession go to a psychologist..i hate that..i don't understand if you don't like them why would you go to their concerts?..this really demonstrates that these people are not healthy head they are insane...:((:((
dydy92100 7 months ago 4
@dydy92100 this isn't their concert. there's like a bajilion other popular artists performing there. including super junior and dbsk.
TrippyScene 6 months ago
Let the police deal with those no brainers who tore down the banners... the silent protest is just so unnecessary... 2 wrong doesn't make 1 right.
302yt 7 months ago
hmm no audio.. but thats so rude! and no one could stop them?
KawaiiAznPanda7 7 months ago
Those few SONEs were being incredibly rude.. I'm glad the entire fanbase isn't like that though :/ Imagine what the fanwars would be like *shivers*
Although I'm not a SONE, I'm really embarrassed by the all crazy kpop fans that do these sort of things, international or not. People generalize. There are plenty of us who are respectful. I'm not an anti for anyone. :]
I just wish that now in the future the SM Town family can get along better ^_^; And that we never have another black ocean again.
CharlestheStrange 7 months ago
I'm a SONE but those guys are just a bunch of disgraceful jerks :P
pockyyymonster 8 months ago
This is not SNSD or SUJU's fault. It's the fans faults for being immatures, so stop accusing one and other for this thing. Most SONE's are really disrespectful and over protective. But on the other side ELF's are also the same. So there is no one to blame but the immature fans. I actually really love SNSD and SUJU.
bish1617 8 months ago
These comments really piss me off. I'm a SONE and an ELF. Will you guys please stop blaming the 2 groups? Yes, the SONE's were disrespectful and yes, sometimes ELF's are disrespectful too. And I know what the SONE's did here was really mean and the lowest you can go, but this is the past. ELF's and SONE's should get along 'cause SNSD and SUJU are really close. SUJU & SNSD, hwaiting~
TheBelterz 8 months ago
is there actually any prove that sones did it or is this whole thing an assumption of whatever the person was wearing?
auesr 8 months ago
These people saying SONEs are rude are quite humorous. So all the people during the performance of SNSD boo-ing them, shouting Wonder Girls and turning off all the glowsticks off arent rude? Ha. Some people here make me laugh. I think disrespecting artist is worse than fans being crazy. Fan's just need to calm and control their own fuxking behaviour. SNSD didn't deserve to go through that. ALL FANS involved in this should reflect on what they did jeez. Lack of respect much ¬_¬ .
Love2ne1x333 8 months ago
Some sones are pissing you off? Well it's because you're saying Sones were the ones who ripped the banner even though you don't know the whole truth.
SNSD don't have a good behaviour? What about Shindong(SUJU) who was playing around and grabbing attention while KARA was thanking the audience?
How rude was it when SuperJunior fans , DBSK fans were shouting "Wonder Girls" while SNSD was performing? Sungmin was very angry about this, as he said, SuperJunior and SNSD are family. Support them aswell
gi7von23 9 months ago
hey, i'm not trying to be rude but some sones are serious piss me off ! i don't hate every member of snsd but some sones with their not so good behavior makes me hate snsd more. i respect for the kindness and nice way of talking from sones but seriously some of sones ain't getting it right. so i won't be a standers if the group and fanclub attitude is well, kinda friendly n civil i guess.
MorningRose43 9 months ago
When you think about it, Elfs and all the other fanclubs who initiated the Black Ocean are pretty rude as well. Why do SNSD get all the hatred? Were they the one who tore down the banner? I don't think so! I'm not trying to be an anti. All I'm saying is people should be reasonable about this and try to understand the situation first before bashing on SNSD. If you want to blame on someone, then why don't you people beat up that idiotic Sone who did it instead of bashing on an innocent group?
winnietehpoohie 9 months ago
IMO, I think antis are antis because of the fan clubs, and not the group itself. The way I see it fans and antis are alike in terms of attitude. They feed off each others' hatred. DBSK, Super Junior, and SNSD are all family. Why can't the fans be the same??
winnietehpoohie 9 months ago
.. people i just heard news that elfs, cassies, and triple s (i think) are planning a black ocean to b2st this dc 2011 because they have the same color as sj. how rude?!? all i can say is korean fans, are so much devoted to their idols that it comes to this, like what happened to snsd in dc 08. korean fans are watching their idols 24/7. they're super devoted! unlike other fans from other countries they just keep it cool. they're fine by just seeing their idols happy and healthy! :)
Flareup03 9 months ago
I'm the only one in this world that is a ELF and SONE? -.-'
Why all this fan wars people? Just love your idols
MiyaHaru23 10 months ago
What happen in the Dream concert incident?
LeVintageTV 10 months ago
SONE please behave..if you don't do that..there might be no war after all..watch your attitudes..LOL if i am a member of SNSD i will be ashame to have this kind of fans!
heenisms883 10 months ago
That why I think that for some people, idols is just like their religion , too much fanwar.
vanbun90 11 months ago 9
the power of fans really scary~even willing to kill~
Heenadira 11 months ago
Damn.... fans in asia are like CRAZY. o__o
jennynguyenerrs12 11 months ago 5
SONE are rude we didnt do anything to them
SuhaSama 11 months ago 6
Uhh i heard from a website that they only ripped down the banner because some of Super Juniors fans ripped snsd's banner FIRST. I like both groups but people that say only SONES should apologize should read up on the topic and not just blame them.
AliyahKaulitz 11 months ago
@AliyahKaulitz liar, there's no proof whatsoever that snsd's banner was torn. until you show proof, stop shooting rumours
bbhui 11 months ago
@bbhui I'm not shooting rumors, I'm just saying what i saw on some WEBSITE that said some of the fans from SJ ripped down theirs first. I dont know if it happened or not but why do people only blame SONEs when everyone of the other fanclubs was being very rude during SNSD's performance?
AliyahKaulitz 11 months ago
@AliyahKaulitz yea sure, show us the website. for all you know a sone wrote it, lmao.
one thing to be clear of, nobody has the power to get a whole fanbase to go against some random girl group, unless somethin freakin offensive happened. in that case, it was the sones' actions. DUH. its all karma, you get what you give, so nothin to complain about. snsd doesnt deserve the treatment, but sones does.
bbhui 11 months ago
@bbhui You dont have to believe me but im just telling you i saw a website with that info. You dont have to get all mad about it. Yes i do agree the SONES were rude to tear down the banner but the other fan groups don't have to take it out on the SNSD by causing the "Black Ocean." I'm not going to argue about this anymore since this happened a looong time ago and this is useless since i love both bands so yea.
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AliyahKaulitz 11 months ago
this sones (who ripped of suju's banner) are rude... rude rude rude much!!!
Pip12722 11 months ago
well. nobody was even sure that its the sones tht ripped off the banner.
lucinesa 11 months ago
@lucinesa why do sone like u always find excuses? if it isn't sone why do people say it's sone and why do people see sones doing it?
Pip12722 11 months ago
@Pip12722 I was just suggesting. if it was then its the sone's fault, but news about rape and all kinds of things, i don't people it. and some sones are really rude to other fangroups too i know, but it's not like i can do anything. just remember that not all sones are like that and we def. do not want war between us and other fan groups. i hope in the coming dream concert they wont receive the black ocean again. its not snsd's fault. not exactly.
lucinesa 11 months ago
SONES are hella crazy.....
Dancingqueen2700 11 months ago
now, some people need to think like @mewantspocky
shikshinnOOb97 11 months ago
@xocute4evaxo I mean talk back.. Not talk bad..
TheMusical9 11 months ago
@Xocute4evaxo but you're still helping those fans talk bad even if they're rude! Sones get blame the most because they did wrong the most.. And who say that other group fans don't get blame? They also get blame by antis.. But they seldom get blamed.. Everybody must have revenge if they did wrong.. And I know I'm wrong saying bad stuff about sones here.. And sones is wrong by tearing suju's banner..
TheMusical9 11 months ago
@xocute4evaxo I've search for it but how come there are no results saying snsd apologized? And if sones love snsd, they should apologize for them.. Not just letting snsd apologize themselves.. That make sones irresponsible!
KpopFan013 11 months ago
Awww. Thats too bad, it was a pretty banner :( Oh well. HISTORY NOW =D
mewantspocky 1 year ago
I don't think any of us here knows the WHOLE truth, but what i know is, people are ALWAYS blaming SONES, for e.g. this incident, i'm not denying or admitting to anything, but i DID hear about this incident, but i ALSO heard about what happened right before this incident, which no one seems to have mentioned (or would like to mention *rolls eyes*). *sigh* but i don't want to go on with this. so, PEACE everyone. SM TOWN love <3
xocute4evaxo 1 year ago
@xocute4evaxo no offense but except for this, what did we blame on sones? we blame on sones who did wrong.. but we don't simply blame on them with no reason.. what's the matter with using ALWAYS?
TheMusical9 1 year ago
@TheMusical9 i said, i don't want to mention it here, because it'd cause the fanwar to star again.
what i'm trying to say is, i'm not denying that SONES could be wrong, but then people make it seem like that its ONLY their fault, when really, there are other fanclubs at fault too, and i don't want to name any in particular because i don't want fans of SM artists to fight anymore.
xocute4evaxo 1 year ago
@xocute4evaxo what's the meaning of using ALWAYS.. Super Junior even ask ELF to don't hate the sones after knowing sones ripping off their poster! but what did snsd do? they just act like nothing happen...
KpopFan013 11 months ago
@KpopFan013 SNSD apologised for their fans. thats what they did.
xocute4evaxo 11 months ago
@xocute4evaxo why? can't find any proof of people ALWAYS blame sones? like what @kpopfan013 said.. sones did wrong by tearing suju's banner and we can't blame them? if we tear snsd's banner off like how sones did, u won't blame us? sones act like nothing happen after tearing suju's banner and blame us on blaming on them! sones help sones whether if it's a good sone or a bad sone..
TheMusical9 11 months ago
@TheMusical9 i never said SONES weren't wrong. Read my comment, i said "i'm not denying that SONES could be wrong", all i'm saying is, that i don't 100% believe everything that has been said about the dream concert incident. And i'm just saying, that SONES seems to be the fanclub that gets blamed the most, even if other fanclubs have done wrong as well. THATs all.
xocute4evaxo 11 months ago
Yeah, BLAME EVERYTHING TO EVERY SINGLE F*CKING SONE OUT HERE!! (sarcasm ) Don't generalize Sones... I don't know why, but this is getting tiring, like when you become a new fan of DBSK or SJ, you have to automatically hate SNSD without even knowing them because they "hurt our oppars"... Keep on hating haters, look at where SNSD is now, thanks to you antis.. =)
iamrynne 1 year ago 45
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Listen you! Many people are just hating SNSD because of WHAT SOME SONES DID! No wonder people said that SONES are the rudest fan club of all no matter how close SNSD are with other groups! I'm a sone and hopefully, they'll advise SOME SONES not to be rude!
kpopholic4ever 1 year ago
@iamrynne because of sones behavior, i started hating snsd too! and i'm not sure why.. maybe this is what people call natural response..
TheMusical9 1 year ago
@iamrynne i COMPLETELy agree with you.
SONES are blamed for EVERYTHING. i swear, i'm a girl, and i'm a sone, but i have to say, there are some fangirls that are REALLY CRAZY :l
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TheMusical9 1 year ago
@xocute4evaxo like example? how did sones get blamed for everything.. they get blamed because they did wrong..
TheMusical9 1 year ago
@iamrynne Hypocrite. You say don't genralise S♥nes yet you generalise new fans of DBSK and SJ.
elfandwonderful 11 months ago
@iamrynne not EVERY SINGLE F*CKING SONE OUT HERE is as mean as those FCKIN SONES RIPPIN THE BANNER , im a sone but i find them FUCKING BASTARDS also . pls stop this argument , its ridiculous and childish that u take it out on all SONES
SoneRaeYeon 6 months ago 19
@SoneRaeYeon I agree with you.
TrinkieTree 6 months ago
@iamrynne You know? STFU ok? Not all Sones are rude like those Sones who are ripping up the poster. I'm an ELF, so don't be such an immature baby to take it out on ALL Sones, because that's really rude, especially to Super Junior.
TrinkieTree 6 months ago
Of course they blame the SONES for this -___- How the fuck do you even know if it was a SONE or not? It could be an a hole that thought it would be funny to mess with their poster geez!
AliyahKaulitz 1 year ago 3
well, atleast it was an ONLY13 poster
'cause im a 15 kind of ELF :/
wootaeluv 1 year ago 2
i don't like people fighting....please stop fighting! let's not put all the blame on sones when we,elfs know that we also have done something wrong or else sones wouldn't act like that..i'm not siding anyone or anything ok? to tell you the truth,i was also angry with sones and blamed it on them...because of that,i didn't like snsd cuz of the sones but then i slowly started forgiving them until the point until i love snsd already. i still don't like SOME sones...but PLEASE stop fighting! SJ 4ever
ZackAndAerithFan 1 year ago
Where is the SM Town love?? If Suju, SHINee, SNSD, f(x), Boa and more can ALL get along, then why can't we all? We're just making it even more difficult for our favorite artists, if we keep fighting on like this, it'll make the relationship between the idols, really awkward. We can all tell how close they are, Heechul and Jessica, Heechul and Sulli, Donghae and Yoona, Boa and the SHINee boys, they are a FAMILY. I'm a sone but I'm more than happy to be friends with elfs, shawols and cassies too.
xocute4evaxo 1 year ago 3
@xocute4evaxo
Agreed with you
kpopholic4ever 1 year ago
honestly, this kinda stuff, completely stupid. cassie, elfs and sones belongs together in the same family just as dbsk suju and snsd are. dbsk, suju and snsd love and support each other. why can't the fans follow suit. this is seriously retarded, i dont see such things happening in yg/jyp entertainment. you dont see blackjacks hating vips, or hottest hating wonderful...
helmetboy45 1 year ago
I m Sone and I hate Sones that make people dislike SNSD more... = =
xsasukex56 1 year ago 3
whilst i did not see the banner-ripping, i clearly saw 5 SONEs harrassing girls. and those were only the ones i saw from my seat. one girl was pushed over a banister, but thankfully it was only 1 metre or so high. witness accounts posted all over the internet you cannot deny.
TrippyScene 1 year ago 2
Omg seriously. to people going: "it was too unclear, no one has proof". so are you going to disregard the ton of witness accounts? what BS. I ATTENDED the concert, but though i did not see the banner ripping- and therefore who did it, just ask yourselves if it makes SENSE that other fanclubs ripped it. E.L.F.s, Cassiopeias, Triple S and Wonderfuls are well-known to get alone fine alongside each other. No problems existed until SNSD attended. Who has motivation to do it? SONEs do.
TrippyScene 1 year ago 3
@TrippyScene dude did you read the description
"ELF were angered and tore an SNSD poster, the fanboys the retaliated by teaing down an "only 13" poster. After the only 13 posters were moved to the back ELF attacked back by pouring water on the boys who in return became violent and threated them with knives."
ELF ripped a poster first
its not illegal to retaliate if someone pushes me ill push them back
faithfulunmei 1 year ago
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@faithfulunmei I'll quote back to you, "ELF were angered". You only quoted the bit of the description which helped what you think. Do you want to compare drawing knives on people to pouring water after being provoked? Do you? So you think it's justified to physically hurt someone out of retaliation? How immature. YEAR 2010 THERE WAS A BLACK OCEAN AGAIN. Are you trying to blame it on everyone but SONEs again? SONEs were wrong, dont make excuses.
TrippyScene 1 year ago
fans imagine is too strong XDD i cant see anything too ==
but u sure they is SONE?
Lovingyou455 1 year ago
@Lovingyou455 you need to have eyes check honey. -.-
forever13elieve 1 year ago
@Lovingyou455 i cant see anything either it just looks like blackness around a banner -.-
faithfulunmei 1 year ago
sry i cant see a thing it makes my eyes hurt but i did 4 boys but cant see them rippin the banner....
mydarksmiles 1 year ago
Some immature SONEs are just causing more people to hate on SNSD and their fanclub. Why can't they just get along with the other fanclubs and respect them and not bashing on other groups and their fanclubs, causing more fanwars and hating. But it is nice that other fanclubs can get along well like E.L.F.s, Cassiopeias, Triple S and Wonderfuls.
flhandbbt 1 year ago
@flhandbbt
"ELF were angered and tore an SNSD poster, the fanboys the retaliated by teaing down an "only 13" poster. After the only 13 posters were moved to the back ELF attacked back by pouring water on the boys who in return became violent and threated them with knives."
XDlol sones didnt rip a banner first,
read the description of the video
Sones wouldnt have to act crazy if people didnt go around pouring water on them,boycotting SNSD,and trying to rip SNSD banners
Sones get the blame
faithfulunmei 1 year ago
@flhandbbt even though other FCs started this fanwar.....
faithfulunmei 1 year ago
SNSD is good y'know, but their fans is just.....
shame on them, they got their idol to be hated just because their silly actions
reinehahaha000 1 year ago 2
20, 30 or 15 sones DOESN'T REPRESENT THE WHOLE SONES FANCLUB. you guys stop blaming everything to EVERY SINGLE SONE in THIS WHOLE WIDE WORLD. we clearly know that only SOME OF THEM did it. not sure who, not sure why.but we have no right to say "oh they did it because they know SNSD is not that popular so they're gonna ruin others'" that's just being unfair to SONES who are completely and definitely innocent.*not siding anyone here.I'm an ELF too and I'm also angry to some SONES who did it* PEACE
chiru97 1 year ago 3
sones, u should go to the hell
nguhientoloan 1 year ago
@nguhientoloan
you should go first ^^
nuchysone 1 year ago
@nguhientoloan don't generalize.. karma will come.. if you don't believe, fine.. i just hope you realize what you said is rude and mean. NOT ALL SONES ARE LIKE THESE ONES who ripped suju's banner. now i'm sorry if i offended you, but i know you offended more people than i did. i'm sorry.
chiru97 1 year ago
How sad...SONE's under such a sad misconception. SNSD didn't do anything wrong AT THE TIME, I'd admit. But they should have done SOMETHING after it. Like put their fanclub back in order. Leeteuk from SJ would straighten ELF's when they do something wrong. Why doesn't Taeyeon? Why didn't SNSD apologize to SS501 and Triple S, Super Junior and ELF's, or DBSK and Cassies? Dream Concerts used to be peaceful, but during SNSD's first DC, what do we have? A riot. So tell me how SNSD is not to blame.
yousuck245678 1 year ago 3
@yousuck245678 but SNSD didn't start it. i don't know why they didn't apologize at least. *that's wrong* but blaming SNSD is not right. yes maybe the fights started after the dream concert with them, but why would you blame SNSD when the ones you should be blaming ARE SOME OF THE SONES who really did it.? who knows what really happened? some have different stories coz we are all biased. sorry if i sound rude, just stating my opinion. peace. :)
chiru97 1 year ago
Before the concert, when SONE's found out about the seating plan, some even started wishing death upon ELF's. Why? I don't know. Just because SNSD isn't as popular as you think? Boo-hoo. Is that a reason to say, "Let's drop bricks on ELF's heads! Let's kill them!" Really? SONE's also stole ELF seats. Hello? SNSD isn't as popular as SJ, so there's really no legit reason to do that. Plus, even if they only had 3 sections, they would struggle to fill it all. That's just pathetic.
yousuck245678 1 year ago
@yousuck245678
You, dear, are highly misinformed. Stop reading and believing everything you read on the internet.
abelagnes 1 year ago
@abelagnes On the contrary, I think it is you that needs to go research a bit more. SONE's did, in fact, steal the tickets. There are several death threats, not only on Youtube, but many other websites. I am an ELF, and when I heard that a fellow ELF, only 14 years old, was beaten by several SONE's, 20 years of age, of course I would be angry. Several ELF's and Cassies had to be hospitalized. If I'm so misinformed, would you care to enlighten me on your 'oh so right' information?
yousuck245678 1 year ago 5
some says it was WG fans and some says it was security guard... BTW this is SNSD's performance rayt?? (obviously bcoz it is dark..) why would a sone would rip of a banner during snsd's performance so it means he/she doesn't care about snsd in other words IT"S NOT A SONE.............................
jpchavez18 1 year ago
why the hell did the boys did that, god if i was there i would kick some a** even if it was a boy i wouldnt care if they have a knife, if they hurt any ELF or super junior member i would come after them but im glad its over now Super junior fighting<33 also im not mean but im just protecting suju and ELFs.
Fabgirl380 1 year ago
im rofling at all the people defending snsd. WE DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. this is about some SONES being extremely rude and disrespectful and endorsing violence in an effort to ...get what? revenge? recognition? giving their whole fan club a bad name. not SNSD directly, but definitely indirectly. got it? :) many other people blame snsd, because after suju asked their fans to support them all (i cant remember if dbsk did), snsd said ZIP in return, did not apologise for their fan's actions.
TrippyScene 1 year ago 152
@TrippyScene hw do u noe they are SONE ? ur nt even there lol , so dun talk like as if u noe everything . btw im an ELF
DrPuppyful 1 year ago
@DrPuppyful dude, what makes you think i wasn't there? i didn't see them banner ripping, but i did see 2 sones push a girl over a banister, which luckily was only a metre off the ground when she was trying to get back to her seat. i think the question is, were YOU there? banner ripping aside, there are COUNTless other eyewitnesses for other things and reports written on blogs all over the internet. please dont make excuses for some sone's actions.
TrippyScene 1 year ago 4
@TrippyScene you realise that you weren't punishing sones but snsd? i think the whole fucking sone base is stupid but that's not snsd's fault.