Заебали христиане со своми страшилками, в судный день все будет следующим образом, когда жидовский бог начнет доебываться до иных, сохранивших себя, явяться почиша древнейших богов и запиздят эту гниду, ибо нехуй чужое трогать и обижать чужих детей, даже если эти дети отвернулись от своих корней ,родителям до пизды что ты о них думаешь, они полюбас порвут ебало тому кто тебя решит судит по свим ебанутым правилам.
Бог библии и есть тиран, тот кто этого незнает невминяем и/или незнает писаний.
И да он говорит делать то что мы нехотим. Я нехочу быть рабом и я не раб, потому что это чужой бог ,бог предателей, жуликов и воров, бог безродного сброда, который незнает своего рода.
Нацик молодца, в ответе про ад и рай
Мои Боги старше, мудрее и более благоразумны, и им не раб а прямой потомок, они мои родные отцы.
По поводу не убивай, евреям(иудеям) на релишиозном уровне разрешено убивать ГОЕВ, то есть всех иных.
Заебал этот жид доебываться до людей, на войне случалось и то что родители убивали одних детей чтобы прокормить других, тупорылый выродок, манипулятор хуев, есть ситуации когда это необходимо, и оправданием убийсва может служить, как и всегда служило сохраниние жизни.
Хуев выродок, ставит нихуя незнающих людей вступор и проводит паралели в перпердикулярах, за это их и ненавидят ,все сделают лижбы их пожалели.
Разница в ситуциях велика вернее даже противоположна, если в случае массового захоронения ты ничего не решаешь, ты либо добовляешь в кучу трупов свою тушу либо нет, их жизнь кончена и все уже опредленно, то в ситуции с обортом ты решаешь быть жизни, будет ли она начата или нет, и если нет, то так или иначе ты убиваешь, в любом случае не зависимо о срока беремености, так как изменяеться лишь форма и возможности у этой жизни, её способности выражаться и проявлять присутствие
It is not us who have been brain washed, that despise abortion. See how those who advocate abortion, homosexuality, Liberalism and Progressivism, the beliefs of... SECULAR HUMANISM as by the HUMANIST MANIFESTO II;
1. Reject traditional religious beliefs and seek "new human purposes and goals". No deity will save us we must save ourselves.
2. Reject as both illusory and harmful the "promises of immortal salvation and eternal damnation". (WOW, we've heard alot of that here!!!)
@osteomed Humananist Manifesto II, continued... 3. Believe that "moral values derive... from human experiences. Ethics is autonamous and situational," We should strive for the good life, here and now. So, humanists beliefe human beings determine what is rite and wrong.
4. Believe that "reason and intelligence" will guid mankind to a better world. This is the cry of the Deists.
5. Stress individual freedom w/out moral restraints.
6.Recognize "...the rite of birth control, abortion and divorce
@osteomed; and that "...the many varieties of sexual exploration should not in themselves be considered evil." So the humanists condone homosexuality and other sexual perversions.
7. Support concepts of individual freedom, "an individuals rite to die w/ dignity, euthanasia and the rite to suicide."
8. Advocate democracy and participatory democracy rather than a repulican form of gov. or a Republic
9. Advocate "the seperation of Church and state and the seperation of ideology and state.
9. ...This program was designed to eliminate God and prayer from our schools.
10. Humanists promote Socialism- Advocate "alternative economic systems", and the need to democratize the economy
11.Advocate the "elimination of all discrimination based upon race, religion, sex age and national origin," and "the rite to universal education"-this requires gov. control of every aspect of our lives.12.Support the ending of nationhood and national sovereignty,and advocate "world community".
@osteomed; 13. They want a world gov which includes a world court, such as the UN - State that "this world community must renounce the resort to violencedisputes".
14. Advocate "the world economy...engage in cooperative planning concerning the use of rapidly depleting resources...population growth must be checked." - this is the basis of modern day enviornmentalism and popuation control.
15. Propose foreign aid and birth control for developing nations.
@osteomed ... to human progress..." they oppose "any moves to censor basic scientific research on moral, political or social grounds." - This how, they immorally justify using embrios for the sake of stem cell transplants etc.
17. Call for "...international cooperation in cultural, science, the arts and tchnology across ideological borders. We must learn to live together or we will perish together.
- Taken from, "brotherhood of darkness", a magnificently researched book that is spot on!!
@osteomed - All of the above ideations, from the Humanist Manifesto I and II, have been implemented and their creation of a world gov, community and to impliment Socialism, while underming the Judeo-Christian beliefs of nation and what the USA was founded on, are on the way to completion.
I wonder if these ppl like Demostravius, maxantium (in respose to 1 of your last replies, 'if Jesus was such a saviour, why did allow the Jews to kill him', if you read Matthew 26: 36-46, Jesus found out the horror that was to befall him, and prayed to the Lord, his Heavenly, for 'this cup to bepassed over Him, but not as I say, but as You will it to be'.
Christ knew why He was sent here... To be tortured and to die for our sins.
Jesus, most definately could have saved Himself and the 2 others
I cannot belive this video gets so much attention when it's so bad. It's a simple forumae: Find stupid people, call them murderers, watch them deny it, claim victory, repeat.
"Blood vessels start to form very early, about 13-18 days after fertilization. Then, on about the 20th day - nearly the end of the third week - the foundation of the brain, the spinal cord, and the entire nervous system is established." check out wwwDOTsfuhlDOTorg
The philosopher Sir Anthony Kenny, who chaired the discussion, interjected: “Why don’t you call yourself an agnostic?” Prof Dawkins answered that he did.
An incredulous Sir Anthony replied: “You are described as the world’s most famous atheist.”
Prof Dawkins said that he was “6.9 out of seven” sure of his beliefs.
“I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low,” he added.
He also said that he believed it was highly likely that there was life on other planets.
Dr Williams replied that he “entirely agreed” with the “beauty” of Prof Dawkins’s argument but added: “I’m not talking about God as an extra who you shoehorn on to that.”
There was surprise when Prof Dawkins acknowledged that he was less than 100 per cent certain of his conviction that there is no creator.
Prof Dawkins told him: “What I can’t understand is why you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of the idea that life started from nothing – that is such a staggering, elegant, beautiful thing, why would you want to clutter it up with something so messy as a God?”
@Ryuyari The "free gift of salvation" to replace the free gift of eternal punishment for finite crimes? But, add you indicate, "we are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world," and we don't deserve anything better.
I, fortunately, have more respect for myself and others. I wouldn't tell people what they don't deserve, that they be thankful that the sins of the father pass to the son. What a terrible approach to life.
@Ematched You do understand, from all your Bible studying, that the place of "punishment" you speak of wasn't even designed for humans, but allowed to follow their "father" there since the real punishment would be spending eternity in the New Earth with the Creator they hate to associate with, right? But Ematched, if you are going by what you believe, rather than what our Creator believes, what good is that? A judge doesn't pardon a convict because he doesn't believe in prison, right??
"if you are going by what you believe, rather than what our Creator believes, what good is that? A judge doesn't pardon a convict because he doesn't believe in prison, right??"
@Ematched Pretend for a moment that you believe God exists and that He created everything. Have you ever lied, stolen something (doesn't matter the value), looked at a person with lust? if so then you have disobeyed God's laws. He created this wonderful world that we live in and in return we rebelled against Him. We deserve His wrath but despite that He still provided a way for us to be saved. It's not a terrible approach to life but a wonderful one.
@Maxantium Romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is Eternal Life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Jesus had to die in order to pay the penalty for our sins. The Jews idea of a Savior at the time was leader who would free them from the rule of the Romans.
This is a hypocrital video, becuase the TALMUD doesnt believe any of the questions he asked those people , most are uneducated about religiosity and the books being discussed.
Just heard on Wretched radio that Richard Dawkins has described himself as an agnostic rather than an atheist. Let's pray for Richard that God would open his eyes. That would be so cool.
Can we not take a stance on murder? Being call ignorant by a fellow human being in my conversation with @VeilxIllia makes me wonder if we should be neutral, even how we treat a fellow human being that we are all related to. If we don't take a stance on murdering of children, pedophilia, etc, then how far will we go as humans to kill ourselves off? See murder as "It's your choice!"? To think someone else, even if they enter your body, is your body part? (P.S. before sex there's choice, not after)
@richmahn and i find your ignorance disturbing, i have no interest in conversing further with someone who believes abortion in any way compares to the holocaust.
that, as well as your statement that by alowing abortion we are repeating the holocaust.
abortion is a choice, a choice you cannot take away from anyone.
those people were violating the law, and spreading lies and propaganda, and promoting a video which uses people who supposedly didnt know who hitler was to support their views on abortion.
comparing abortion to the holocaust is again, way out of scale.
its like comparing a barfight to the crusades.
i do not support either side of abortion, i was disgusted by their comparison of it to the holocaust.
@VeilxIllia abortion is murder wether you like it or not and you find out when it is judgement day, you have been warned so you can't deny that you have heard the truth.
@VeilxIllia If you don't want to speak anymore, that's your choice, but to see someone else, myself included, when we were a fetus as just a body part that my mom can just lop off, is sad.
You obviously didn't watch the whole 180 movie to know why the Holocaust and abortion have so much in common to devaluing humans...bulldoze them! And I see you even devalue me for being a person who defends life for us off us, fetus or post-fetus. I do take a stance against murder, stealing, etc.
@VeilxIllia well i want to kill you and no one has a damn right to take away my choice of doing so! does that sound right to you? do you think that should be my choice? don;t make yourself into a double standard here give your reply in accordance to what you say about murdering babies
the only propaganda that is cosyting lives here is your rant and your governments lie about abortion being ok!
Are woman these days still having parts of their bodies removed? How many women have exercised their right of choice to have their leg removed? One of their lungs removed? There's something wrong when we love the ability to MURDER the even greater God-given miracle in our bodies that actually is a whole new set of legs, lungs, brain, heart, etc. IN the womb, a whole new body, yet NEVER chose to mutalate our own? This new body is even something greater for your life, a relationship with your baby
Amazing! Thank you so much for this! It's so encouraging! I was already a strong pro-lifer & born-again Christian, but this is so inspiring to me! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
@AccessUnlimited Hey AccessUnlmitedToMurder, still waiting to understand why you can judge, why you live in a country that has judges, and what we should do about those people who even judge when someone dumps garbage on their lawn. Right, just turn a blind-eye to it?
I think it is disgusting to manipulate a persons mind into changing their personal opinion it has made my beleifs about abortion stronger! It is so ok if a woman is raped and feels that she would rather kill herself than have, if you are a young teenager and dont want the strain on your body, if it could kill you or both you and the baby, or if you feel you can not take care of it there are plenty of babies that can't get adopted because people dont want somebody elses baby!
@kelseyj1197 You're trying to manipulate our minds to agree with you, are you not? It is not ok if a woman is raped, and that man should be brought to justice (but right, according to some here, we aren't to judge even a rapist), but wrong to take an innocent life due to the rape. THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO ADOPT BABIES, myself included. Even have siblings that were adobted. To state such is just you clawing at every possibility to have killing babies "moral" by today's standards. Sad.
@Taiwan1997 well the woman shouldn't have sex if they can't support the baby, anyway you should be mariied first therefore it would be possible for the woman to endure pregnancy. This is one reason why God said you shall not commit adultery, just think, God was right.
Every person born has the right to live whatever their belief is, hilter and other war mongers have NO right to take that right to live from anyone.Why cant man just learn to live together as one and accept each other for who and what they are a HUMAN BEINGS.Think about the movie"INDEPENDANCE DAY".LOVE and LIGHT to you all.
abortion is nowhere near the seriousness of the holocaust, comparing the genocide of millions of people to that of a woman's choice as to whether or not to keep her baby is completely out of place and out of scale.
Yesterday several people came to my school, without the permission of administration, and started handing these videos out. They said it was about the holocaust.
this is not about the holocaust, this is propaganda under the guise of information.
@VeilxIllia You do understand abortion is murder though, right? If I were to take anyone who has ever been a fetus and murder them, would it really not be as tragic as the Holocaust? We are devaluing our own sons and daughters just as Nazi soldiers were doing...that is the point of this. There is a HUGE holocaust happening to people of our future generation. Wake up, or you too will repeat history. Glad those people gave videos out at your school...please heed their message. -Rich
@VeilxIllia If you are for choice, was is thus ok for Hitler to have choice to say Jews were subhuman? Is it good to have choice for stealing, murder and even killing our own toddlers? Is it good to have choice for mom's to murder my future students? What if I do have them as a student, and as a man or woman, should have the right to kill? Sure, we can dismember our OWN body, but a fetus is NEVER just seen like a woman's heart or brain, free to be removed, it is a UNIQUE human being.
Blue hair man has an informed opinion. I don't agree with his opinion but he does known what he is talking about. Jesus was a Jew, king of the Jews in all probability by bloodline. I don't think they made up their God, I think they actually had enough 'magic' power in Moses that it really seemed like God was on their side. What ever was in that box they carried round could be used as a powerful weapon.
"I think they actually had enough 'magic' power in Moses that it really seemed like God was on their side. What ever was in that box they carried round could be used as a powerful weapon."
You forgot to say.......I'll believe anything but the truth.
@ThisHasBeenAlex I could not encourage you more to listen to the "Hell's Best Kept Secret" audio message as found on our LivingWaters(dot)com site. It would seem that you had the wrong impression of what Christianity is all about if you claim it "failed" you and that message will clear it all up for you.
@ThisHasBeenAlex religion failed you, people who profess christianity but have never known Salvation failed you. Jesus is alive and He is the way the truth and the life. There is no one better or more qualified to pose your question to but Him. If you truly want to know who and what He is ask Him, He will answer, He promised.
@ThisHasBeenAlex Do tell, how has putting faith in One who has proven himself faithful to have failed Him? Are you wanting to get something for it yourself, other than eternal life? One who puts faith in their own good works yet has no way to even measure them has failed/cheated themselves. I was saved by the blood of the Lamb that was FINISHED 2,000 years ago...nothing else has to be done, nor do I deserve anything else. I do what I do now for the joy of the Lord, not self gain
@ThisHasBeenAlex I understand, I had been brought up "Christian" as a child also, but my parents did not act like something I wanted to be. I was hurt and abused as a child. But the word "Christian" means literally, "to be LIKE Christ". And that what a true Christian is. Also, many churches will portray a distorted example of a "Christian". But, the Word of God is powerful to show you the RIGHT way, the way of truth. I highly suggest you get a Red Letter Bible and read the 4 gospels.
@ThisHasBeenAlex I understand how you feel, but remember, God can never fail you! He created you and He has always and will always love you. Ask Him to reveal this to your heart and keep praying and reading the BIble. Then go to a Church and find a good priest to confess your sins, and then you will experience true freedom, and peace inside your heart, where God will live, with you forever! Amen
@ThisHasBeenAlex I understand , i was where you are and i am no longer a christian or a beleiver of religion / all religion. I am a spiritual person , spirituality is the way. I pray and talk to god my self. You feel the way you do becuase the information & the truth is now available to all at their finger tip as well as many books along with people becoming more & more conscious. The Joos were'nt gassed , they starved to death. 6 million werent gassed. Lies r being covered up
"I understand , i was where you are and i am no longer a christian or a beleiver of religion / all religion. I am a spiritual person , spirituality is the way. I pray and talk to god my self. "
How do you know your god exists? (Actually and unfortunately he does 2 Cor 4:4).
It failed me too.....because I came to Christ for the wrong reasons....I "accepted" Him but I never "received" Him. I was a deceived false professor to Christianity. God doesn't even answers the prayers of the wicked so my life was a confused mess. I have been a genuine Christian for 2 years after 33 years of being a fake Christian. Sad story....Happy Ending :D
The authors counter the argument that these “potential persons” have the right to reach that potential by stating it is “over-ridden by the interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being because, as we have just argued, merely potential people cannot be harmed by not being brought into existence.”
The authors do acknowledge that a mother, who they cite as an example of a true person, can attribute “subjective” moral rights to the fetus or newborn, but they state this is only a projected moral status.
Giubilini and Minerva believe that being able to understand the value of a different situation, which often depends on mental development, determines personhood. For example, being able to tell the difference between an undesirable situation and a desirable one. They note that fetuses and newborns are “potential persons.”
Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.
@Taiwan1997 "..many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos"...(embryo stem cell research..Yes, it is permitted, but should be illegal.) .."fetuses where abortion is permitted"..(again should be illegal).. "criminals where captial punishment is legal"..a person who commits heinous crimes against humanity forfeits their right to life in order to protect the rest of society. Comparing capital punishment to the taking of innocent life is ridiculous.
Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’. We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her.
I say, if a baby or toddler hasn't transformed through puberty into a teenager/adult, kill it. Sure, the toddler has eyes and ears and hands and feet, even since he/she was a fetus, but they sure aren't tall, sure do not remember their 81st day on earth...no memory, no purpose, just a handful of trouble....so kill anyone before puberty. It's my choice, right? I mean, I didn't chose to have this child, looks ugly, and makes a mess. They're just a fixture of the home, just a part of the woodwork.
Actually these two ethic guys are saying this for real. I will send the article to you through personal e-mail. What you are stating fictitiously is reality to these authors. I will go to my hotmail and send it to you and Laura.
“I am an obstetrician-gynecologist in private practice and a mother of four children. I fully endorse wwwDOTsfuhlDOTorg as comprehensive yet concise, objective, and accurate with well-researched credibility. It should be mandatory for truly informed consent before an abortion and for truly informative ACOG patient education materials.” check out the science
@jamez0202 Are you trying to manipulate us to the side that gives so much propaganda about how "choice" should be allowed to kill someone? You're language also is just what you called this movie...please tell us what was wrong with taking a stance for a world that was created by someone who has given us purpose?
Classic example of Reductio ad Hitlerum. You can compare any argument to Hitler to try and win your argument.
Still waiting on anything at all that suggests a fetus is a baby?
I think the greatest crime of all is judging others for who they are. If God is a petty little God that judges others, then I fundamentally disagree with him no matter how much he threatens me. I refuse to negotiate with terrorists.
@AccessUnlimited "Still waiting on anything at all that suggests a fetus is a baby?"
What proof would you like? That the fetus can do algebra problems and then he/she can live? Did you get what Taiwan1997 was saying? While MANY of us call a fetus a baby in the womb AND laws do convict someone for double-murder if a woman is killed, even in a car accident, even if not a "baby", why not prove a "baby" is not a teenager? A teenager an adult? If they aren't, can we kill them? Think!
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that can't prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus/infant/toddler/etc. stages?
The worse thing I can imagine is someone who judges others. A god who does that, is not worth my time. If that's the type of being he/she is, then I fundamentally disagree with them, and I wont be bullied by terrorists who threaten me with hellfire, deity or not. I fundamentally find judging others unethical and amoral.
The worse thing I can imagine is someone who lives there life judges others. A god who does that (let alone a mortal), is not worth my time. If that's the type of being he/she is, then I fundamentally disagree with them, and I wont be bullied by terrorist who threaten me with hellfire, deity or not. I fundamentally find judging others unethical and amoral.
@AccessUnlimited You judge others for living their lives with a mind that can discern right and wrong, and you say it's wrong. Ok. It also seems from you that if one doesn't believe in something, like evolution, then it must not be true since what we don't believe is never fundamentally true, right? I'm sure even if someone thinks you don't exist, spits (or worse) in your home, you have no problem with it also, since you can't judge that person? Even murder can't be judged? Wow.
@AccessUnlimited So who lives their life judging others? Probably anyone who breathes. Sure, in actuality WE weren't the One who put this world into existence and made humans with a valuable purpose, to see what rebellion does to cause grief & sin. But what about your computer. Do you not judge what software is beneficial and what causes havoc? Do you not remove the bad programs from such a 'world"? Yet in our world, including myself, we are ALL bad, all have sinned against God.
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that can't prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus/infant/toddler/etc. stages?
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that can't prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus/infant/toddler/etc. stages?
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that cant prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus->infant->toddler->etc stages?
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that cant prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus->infant->toddler->etc stages?
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that cant prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus->infant->toddler->etc stages?
Who was right? I was aware that Science has a history of error but in 1973 there was a dispute.
Wade vs Roe (in the blood red trunks) dehumanized the unborn while my biology textbook (in the blue trunks) stated otherwise.
Now post-Wade vs Roe.....because of DNA, genetic coding, and imaging.....the winner is by TKO
....Science!!!!!!! Hey there is some truth in Science and high school wasn't a complete waste of time. Never bought that we evolved from the mud while chemical lightning struck.
the people are just starting to agree with the guy because hes taking up all their time.. you can tell most of them are like "yea yea okay" -_- Hitler and a mother have little in common. He used speaking tactics to trick these people into going against their original belief. Give me a minute with them and I'll bring them back. Pro-choice is not pro-abortion.
@laurenrose18 But pro-choice supports abortion. I am for choices too and wouldn't want them stripped away from me, but the killing of a person, especially a BABY should never be a choice.
@laurenrose18 >> laurenrose, Pro-choice, shouldn't mean Pro-abortion, however, it always seams any group trumpetting the rite of Pro-choice always has the rite to abort in mind!! Check that yourself and you don't need a textbook to proove that to it. Why isn't the rite to live, part of Pro-choice, how did Pro-choice take on the rite of abortion?! Aren't there two avenues of CHOICE?
i agree with what this guy is saying about abortion...although when a chick takes "the morning after" pill, is that an abortion? i dunno its subjective i guess. i heard poverty is the biggest killer on this planet, so it would be nice if he discussed that more. i dont need religion or the question of whether im going to hell or heaven after i die to get me to live a life of high morals. believers and non believers alike dont know what happens after death although they make big claims.
@lee0122333 >> To answer your 'morning after pill, does it = aborti on' question... Well if your a practicing Catholic, or any one of the many sects of Christianity, when you believe that life begins @ conception; then YES, the morning after pill could equate to abortion! Same as an IUD placement which makes for a very "irritable uterine lining' for plantation of the zygote. Which is then washed away by the woman's menstruation (period).
"In the last days-(just before Christ returns to judge the unbelievers) people will only have ears for what they want to hear not the truth necessarily. They won't even know the truth when they hear it and will exchange the truth for a lie."
@PrettyLittlePulse Also, (by your own logic) who gave you the right to tell the pro-lifers that they're wrong? After all (once again by your logic) it's their choice.
@PrettyLittlePulse Nobody had to listen to him. Abortion is not a mother's given right if the unborn is indeed a life, which is the topic under debate.
My stance: It's a human the moment it develops its first vital organ. If it's a morning after pill, I see nothing wrong with it. However, if the child has organs and is moving on its own, then it is human.
@ultrabeest Really? So who gets to decide for the past 1000s of years on what is a major organ that determines if the abortionist died a murderer or not ? What vital organ, may i ask, makes me me? While I personally believe & see proof for a soul & spirit, our soul being eternal and spirit giving us a source of life unlike in animals, but regardless, you can't say that even the wonder of what is going on in the first cells of ME were worthless. What about my blueprint DNA? Worthless?
@Taiwan1997 There're people here who now don't think my name is really Rich Mahn. I fear if they believe I don't exist & what I do is real, I'll vanish, just as they have made the One who existed before they were born disappear. I also hear that a convict, if he says "I don't believe prison exists" doesn't have to go to prison, that there is no punishment for a rapist if he was a good person in general...hmm. Oh wait, meant to post about my name...tell our friends I'm a "rich" mahn in spirit!:)
I believe you exist.......although I have never seen you in person....I have weighted the evidence in your writings and what you created on your facebook page. Although Scientifically, I can't prove you exist. :(
@Taiwan1997 You could scientifically prove I exist by just saying, not proving, I came from non-living matter, like a rock or your keyboard, and assume that through random chance and pointless reasons of mutation, I became even more complex than any computer or machine created by man.
a human life has value for it's own sake. the value of a human life is not determined by stage of a development or of decline. it is not defined by gender or by race. a human life has value simply because of his existence.
@JaneRoe1984 "a human life has value for it's own sake. the value of a human life is not determined by stage of a development or of decline. it is not defined by gender or by race. a human life has value simply because of his existence."
Keep on posting! Love your fact-bits! Hope others take the time to read them and contemplate them too.
youtu.be/7y2KsU_dhwI?t=13m50s ... totally true... it's easy to discuss it ... but until it becomes real most people would have real trouble sticking to their principles
horribly offensive to anyone with a grasp of ethics history or a brain.....compairing the murder of milliions of innocent people to that of aborting fetus' is just grotesque...i'm sorry that any holocaust survivors had to witness this
@12vamosrafa >> I guess, a nice try to equate the two. One being an example of millions of innocent ppl being murdered and one to aborted fetus'. Lets see... since 1973, when the Supremes made abortion legal, over 66 million innocent fetus' have been consciously aborted (or murdered, if your talking to some one who believes life starts at conception.
I gree fully w/ the Ob-Gyn-JaneRoe 1984, Taiwan and richmahn. Well said JaneRoe 1984!
this guy went out and found the most ignorant people he could. honestly he had to have asked a lot of people to find people that just were this dumb. i bet out of the people he asked more knew him then didn't and all that was put on the film were the idiots.
the filmmaker seems to be a manipulative coward. this film would have looked rather different if he had not chosen to target individuals that are clearly quite socially neglected in terms of education, that's not exactly their fault, capitalist culture has a lot to gain from soft-headed people. they're very easily led, easily influenced,and manipulated as this guy so expertly demonstrates. Let's see him have a leg to stand on when asking around a good university, or how about Noam Chomsky.
@mskj444 how dare in insult ppl that you know nothing about. How do you know what they are?...And who and what are you? Ray Comfort did nothing but ask them honest questions.
@mskj444 There is a another video on youtube where Ray Comfort runs into one of the people that he interviewed in 180. He ran into him at the college the guy attends (fyi Ray Comfort does a lot of ministry work at college campuses). Regardless of education the result is the same.
@Ryuyari The result might be the same in one example of an individual, but throughout my education at two different universities i can only say that his results would have been quite different elsewhere. This film is entirely one-sided, with a singular goal in mind. he designed the line of questions, and relies in that way on the immediate connotations of superficial, didactic semantics to make a point which does not in any way consider the actual implications of prohibiting abortion.
@mskj444 i should say that i was brought up christian and used to share all these views and more. but certain inconsistencies arose, hypocrisies. not loving their neighbours, not forgiving anyone, condemning and judging the world, trying to control others. i've gone on to study world religions, philosophies, mythologies, especially the nature of symbolism; my conclusion is that at their best, all religions have the same divine core of the divine as everything, and love itself.
@mskj444 The reason for my response was because you pretty much said the people he was talking to didn't have a good education so he picked them because he knew it would not work on someone who did. i do agree that results will vary from person to person. that is a given. Yes the arguement is one-sided, because it's right. premise of the arguement is that it's wrong to kill other human beings and a baby is a human being. how much longer before we start saying that.... cont....
cont.... it's ok to start killing babies once they are born? oh wait we already do that. There are all kinds of stories of babies who, after an attempted abortion, live and are then left to die! Now if it's a choice between the mothers life and the babies life (actual life threatening) then then yes i can understand sacrificing the baby. but killing it because the mother doesn't want to deal with it isn't the answer. they can put the baby up for adoption... cont...
cont... there are plenty of people who will adopt kids. My parents adopted myself and 11 of my siblings. The government just needs to make that process easier. The other thing people can do is either not have sex (in this day and age though that will never happen because people don't have enough self control) or get protection to prevent conception of the baby. FYI - true christianity is nothing like other religions. everyone else says live a good life... cont...
cont.... and it will be ok. the Bible says God created us and then we rebelled against Him. It says that the penalty for our sin is to be cast into the lake of fire. we can not save ourselves. but because Jesus paid the penalty for our sins we can be saved from the punishment we deserve. We just have to repent of our sins and accept God's free gift of salvation. People aren't perfect we will mess up from time to time but you can't judge something based off of personal experience... cont
cont... the majority of americans (last statistic i looked at said over 50%) claim to be christian but in truth maybe about 1% (most likely less) of that actually is. Because while there are some things christians disagree on there are plenty of things we do agree on and if over 50% of americans were actually christians there would be a lot of things happening differently in this country. fyi Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn and others like them aren't christian. just so we are clear.
@Ryuyari When people realise what they have in common, they treat each other with compassion and respect, which means allowing them to live their lives. Babies come to beliefs in adulthood through the environment they're born in to. 'God' (the name in an english word) crops up in different places in different styles, just like clothes, plants animals and languages vary according to countries...
@mskj444 We're all the fruit of the earth, that's a beautiful thing and clear; if more people just focused on that it'd be automatic heaven on earth. People fall out when they only focus on the superficial differences and 'styles'. Anyway, my specific opinion on abortion is that beyond a certain point of development, it's wrong and too late i.e. when it could survive outside of the womb, before then it is a life 'form', and alive only because it is an extension of a woman's body...
@mskj444 Your experience of adoption is beautiful, glad to hear it, but many more might not be so lucky, and before that, many women cannot afford to go through the heavy physical tax of pregnancy and how it may disrupt their life situations. Improve education and it all could be avoided, but until then, abortion is a mercy for some. And i don't know if you know, but on the right in the drop down menu on your own comments, you can delete your own comments if they double :)
Yeah, getting a metal object through the skull doesn't get anymore merciful than that. What about some burning saline solution...does that hurt little one..it's called mercy. How about in the name of mercy we chop you up and suction you out with a vacuum. Can you say mercy?.....I knew you could.
@Taiwan1997 by 'some', i mean women who may be in terrible situations, in their own health, or socially, or financially, perhaps they are on their own and could not survive if they had to give up work because there is no one there to support them. pregnancy is an extraordinary strain on the body and mind. and i don't deny that abortion is a really sad horrible thing.
@mskj444 First I just want to thank you. It's nice to have a civil debate on youtube for once. In regards to your comment about if people would realise what they have in common, they would treat each other with compassion and respect I think you left out an important factor. That everyone would have to selfless as well. People are selfish and that selfishness leads to many of the horrible things that happen today (theft, murder and wars to name a few)... cont...
cont... I disagree, obviously :), with your comment about God crops up in different places and in different styles. I do agree that there are different religions but true Christianity, as i said earlier, is nothing like the other world religions (another fyi - Roman Catholic, Morman and JW aren't Christian their beliefs are very different).I understand what you mean by your point on abortion but, and i'm not saying this is what you believe, how long before that becomes... cont...
cont... the reason we kill people because without some kind of support they won't survive? Again i understand that is not what you are saying but it doesn't take much to make it mean that. There are ways to prevent getting pregnent in the first place, i.e. not having sex but not much chance of that happening but there are other ways as well. People spend to much time "in the moment" and not enough time thinking of the future. This world would be better of if everyone 'mesured twice, cut once".
@Ryuyari it's a pity that civil debates don't happen much. when people disagree on something, they subconsciously make the argument into a way of inflating their ego, and try to satisfy that need with aggression because they think anger and 'being right' makes them feel better - but regardless of personal opinions all negative emotion does is eat away at them and their 'opponent' (a fellow human being)...
@RyuyariIt stops people hearing and respecting each other's feelings and thoughts, there's a feedback loop of overt of inferred insults and it creates more conflict and resistance and distrust in the people they attack. both sides do that. it's a root of war, apart from greed. it's also part of the selfishness thing maybe (and all religions, interestingly, have references to selflessness and forgiveness and non-judgment especially)..
@mskj444 i believe though that if people were truly aware of all that and how it creates the conflict they think they're working to remove, they would do things differently. people should just live their lives the way they want to and let others be.. because we all know that when someone tries to control us, we don't like it, so why should they. do unto others and all that? i don't know.. i'm just rambling now, very tired. anyway, cheers to you. have a nice life. au revoir :)
@Taiwan1997 the cells proliferate from the mother's body, they don't pop out of nowhere. in the early stages that growth of cells could not survive if it were detached from a woman's body, and that is how i intend the meaning of the word 'extension'.
@mskj444 oh wait, lol! they kind of do pop out of nowhere within the egg, but without the mother's body connected to it through the umbilical cord, when can a foetus survive independently?
@mskj444 "oh wait, lol! they kind of do pop out of nowhere within the egg, but without the mother's body connected to it through the umbilical cord, when can a foetus survive independently?"
This logic would allow us to kill astronauts when connected with a tube to their ship, unable to survive independently...good way for NASA to kill them if bad employee? But your point is good, the woman is just another organ of the fetus, so shouldn't it be the fetus that aborts the mother when not needed?
@mskj444 It's a good thing that when we are done with one stage of our many stages of humanhood/personhood (fetus, infant, toddler, child, teen, adult) we DON'T abort the organ on the ther side of the umbilical cord. Maybe when evolution evolves us past our primative state, we'll claw our way out of the uterus? Blood bath for mommy? But what about you. Do u survive independently outside the earth's resources? You're still trapped in a bubble. Shall we kill you since you haven't reached 90? Hmm..
"i've gone on to study world religions, philosophies, mythologies, especially the nature of symbolism; my conclusion is that at their best, all religions have the same divine core of the divine as everything, and love itself."
Заебали христиане со своми страшилками, в судный день все будет следующим образом, когда жидовский бог начнет доебываться до иных, сохранивших себя, явяться почиша древнейших богов и запиздят эту гниду, ибо нехуй чужое трогать и обижать чужих детей, даже если эти дети отвернулись от своих корней ,родителям до пизды что ты о них думаешь, они полюбас порвут ебало тому кто тебя решит судит по свим ебанутым правилам.
AeroMBA 2 hours ago
Бог библии и есть тиран, тот кто этого незнает невминяем и/или незнает писаний.
И да он говорит делать то что мы нехотим. Я нехочу быть рабом и я не раб, потому что это чужой бог ,бог предателей, жуликов и воров, бог безродного сброда, который незнает своего рода.
Нацик молодца, в ответе про ад и рай
Мои Боги старше, мудрее и более благоразумны, и им не раб а прямой потомок, они мои родные отцы.
По поводу не убивай, евреям(иудеям) на релишиозном уровне разрешено убивать ГОЕВ, то есть всех иных.
AeroMBA 2 hours ago
Заебал этот жид доебываться до людей, на войне случалось и то что родители убивали одних детей чтобы прокормить других, тупорылый выродок, манипулятор хуев, есть ситуации когда это необходимо, и оправданием убийсва может служить, как и всегда служило сохраниние жизни.
Хуев выродок, ставит нихуя незнающих людей вступор и проводит паралели в перпердикулярах, за это их и ненавидят ,все сделают лижбы их пожалели.
AeroMBA 2 hours ago
Жидяра, запутал людей.
Разница в ситуциях велика вернее даже противоположна, если в случае массового захоронения ты ничего не решаешь, ты либо добовляешь в кучу трупов свою тушу либо нет, их жизнь кончена и все уже опредленно, то в ситуции с обортом ты решаешь быть жизни, будет ли она начата или нет, и если нет, то так или иначе ты убиваешь, в любом случае не зависимо о срока беремености, так как изменяеться лишь форма и возможности у этой жизни, её способности выражаться и проявлять присутствие
AeroMBA 2 hours ago
but then what do you call God for sending his own son to his death? That is not murder?
lifesucka 4 hours ago
I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for my mother's abortion. Thanks abortion docs, you are heroes!
lovelygrl400 5 hours ago
Насчет христианства все верно, ни одна война никогда не принесла бы столько горя и печали народам, сколько принесла эта зараза.
by Google...
As for Christianity, that's right, no war never would have brought so much sorrow and sadness people how brought this plague.
И если бы я мог, лично казнил бы Адольфа.
And if I could personally have executed Adolf.
Бесспорно он был великий человек, но немец всегда был врагом.
Undoubtedly it was a great man, but the German has always been the enemy.
AeroMBA 5 hours ago
How can you not know who Adolf Hitler was, are they retarded
or something
silky567 6 hours ago
It is not us who have been brain washed, that despise abortion. See how those who advocate abortion, homosexuality, Liberalism and Progressivism, the beliefs of... SECULAR HUMANISM as by the HUMANIST MANIFESTO II;
1. Reject traditional religious beliefs and seek "new human purposes and goals". No deity will save us we must save ourselves.
2. Reject as both illusory and harmful the "promises of immortal salvation and eternal damnation". (WOW, we've heard alot of that here!!!)
osteomed 9 hours ago
@osteomed Humananist Manifesto II, continued... 3. Believe that "moral values derive... from human experiences. Ethics is autonamous and situational," We should strive for the good life, here and now. So, humanists beliefe human beings determine what is rite and wrong.
4. Believe that "reason and intelligence" will guid mankind to a better world. This is the cry of the Deists.
5. Stress individual freedom w/out moral restraints.
6.Recognize "...the rite of birth control, abortion and divorce
osteomed 9 hours ago
@osteomed; and that "...the many varieties of sexual exploration should not in themselves be considered evil." So the humanists condone homosexuality and other sexual perversions.
7. Support concepts of individual freedom, "an individuals rite to die w/ dignity, euthanasia and the rite to suicide."
8. Advocate democracy and participatory democracy rather than a repulican form of gov. or a Republic
9. Advocate "the seperation of Church and state and the seperation of ideology and state.
osteomed 8 hours ago
@osteomed
9. ...This program was designed to eliminate God and prayer from our schools.
10. Humanists promote Socialism- Advocate "alternative economic systems", and the need to democratize the economy
11.Advocate the "elimination of all discrimination based upon race, religion, sex age and national origin," and "the rite to universal education"-this requires gov. control of every aspect of our lives.12.Support the ending of nationhood and national sovereignty,and advocate "world community".
osteomed 8 hours ago
@osteomed; 13. They want a world gov which includes a world court, such as the UN - State that "this world community must renounce the resort to violencedisputes".
14. Advocate "the world economy...engage in cooperative planning concerning the use of rapidly depleting resources...population growth must be checked." - this is the basis of modern day enviornmentalism and popuation control.
15. Propose foreign aid and birth control for developing nations.
16. Since "technology is a vital key...
osteomed 8 hours ago
@osteomed ... to human progress..." they oppose "any moves to censor basic scientific research on moral, political or social grounds." - This how, they immorally justify using embrios for the sake of stem cell transplants etc.
17. Call for "...international cooperation in cultural, science, the arts and tchnology across ideological borders. We must learn to live together or we will perish together.
- Taken from, "brotherhood of darkness", a magnificently researched book that is spot on!!
osteomed 8 hours ago
@osteomed - All of the above ideations, from the Humanist Manifesto I and II, have been implemented and their creation of a world gov, community and to impliment Socialism, while underming the Judeo-Christian beliefs of nation and what the USA was founded on, are on the way to completion.
osteomed 8 hours ago
I wonder if these ppl like Demostravius, maxantium (in respose to 1 of your last replies, 'if Jesus was such a saviour, why did allow the Jews to kill him', if you read Matthew 26: 36-46, Jesus found out the horror that was to befall him, and prayed to the Lord, his Heavenly, for 'this cup to bepassed over Him, but not as I say, but as You will it to be'.
Christ knew why He was sent here... To be tortured and to die for our sins.
Jesus, most definately could have saved Himself and the 2 others
osteomed 9 hours ago
@osteomed ... but that was not in the Lords, plans. That was not why He was born, to earth, %100 man and %100 devine.
osteomed 9 hours ago
I cannot belive this video gets so much attention when it's so bad. It's a simple forumae: Find stupid people, call them murderers, watch them deny it, claim victory, repeat.
Demostravius 11 hours ago
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JaneRoe1984 13 hours ago
The philosopher Sir Anthony Kenny, who chaired the discussion, interjected: “Why don’t you call yourself an agnostic?” Prof Dawkins answered that he did.
An incredulous Sir Anthony replied: “You are described as the world’s most famous atheist.”
Prof Dawkins said that he was “6.9 out of seven” sure of his beliefs.
“I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low,” he added.
He also said that he believed it was highly likely that there was life on other planets.
Taiwan1997 15 hours ago
Dr Williams replied that he “entirely agreed” with the “beauty” of Prof Dawkins’s argument but added: “I’m not talking about God as an extra who you shoehorn on to that.”
There was surprise when Prof Dawkins acknowledged that he was less than 100 per cent certain of his conviction that there is no creator.
Taiwan1997 15 hours ago
Prof Dawkins told him: “What I can’t understand is why you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of the idea that life started from nothing – that is such a staggering, elegant, beautiful thing, why would you want to clutter it up with something so messy as a God?”
Taiwan1997 15 hours ago
@Ryuyari The "free gift of salvation" to replace the free gift of eternal punishment for finite crimes? But, add you indicate, "we are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world," and we don't deserve anything better.
I, fortunately, have more respect for myself and others. I wouldn't tell people what they don't deserve, that they be thankful that the sins of the father pass to the son. What a terrible approach to life.
Ematched 17 hours ago
@Ematched You do understand, from all your Bible studying, that the place of "punishment" you speak of wasn't even designed for humans, but allowed to follow their "father" there since the real punishment would be spending eternity in the New Earth with the Creator they hate to associate with, right? But Ematched, if you are going by what you believe, rather than what our Creator believes, what good is that? A judge doesn't pardon a convict because he doesn't believe in prison, right??
brothermeng 16 hours ago
@brothermeng
"if you are going by what you believe, rather than what our Creator believes, what good is that? A judge doesn't pardon a convict because he doesn't believe in prison, right??"
Profound statement :D
Taiwan1997 8 hours ago
@Ematched Pretend for a moment that you believe God exists and that He created everything. Have you ever lied, stolen something (doesn't matter the value), looked at a person with lust? if so then you have disobeyed God's laws. He created this wonderful world that we live in and in return we rebelled against Him. We deserve His wrath but despite that He still provided a way for us to be saved. It's not a terrible approach to life but a wonderful one.
Ryuyari 8 hours ago
@Ematched
So how do you think life was created? How the universe came to be?
Taiwan1997 8 hours ago
@Ematched
"What a terrible approach to life."
But where did life come from?
Taiwan1997 8 hours ago
If Jesus was such a Savior then he should answer why did the Jews murder him i
Maxantium 17 hours ago
@Maxantium Romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is Eternal Life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Jesus had to die in order to pay the penalty for our sins. The Jews idea of a Savior at the time was leader who would free them from the rule of the Romans.
Ryuyari 8 hours ago
This is a hypocrital video, becuase the TALMUD doesnt believe any of the questions he asked those people , most are uneducated about religiosity and the books being discussed.
Maxantium 17 hours ago
Of the 53,310,843 abortions in the past 37 years 1/3rd of them were African American
Maxantium 17 hours ago
Just heard on Wretched radio that Richard Dawkins has described himself as an agnostic rather than an atheist. Let's pray for Richard that God would open his eyes. That would be so cool.
Taiwan1997 18 hours ago
Can we not take a stance on murder? Being call ignorant by a fellow human being in my conversation with @VeilxIllia makes me wonder if we should be neutral, even how we treat a fellow human being that we are all related to. If we don't take a stance on murdering of children, pedophilia, etc, then how far will we go as humans to kill ourselves off? See murder as "It's your choice!"? To think someone else, even if they enter your body, is your body part? (P.S. before sex there's choice, not after)
richmahn 19 hours ago
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@richmahn and i find your ignorance disturbing, i have no interest in conversing further with someone who believes abortion in any way compares to the holocaust.
that, as well as your statement that by alowing abortion we are repeating the holocaust.
you speak out of ignorance.
VeilxIllia 21 hours ago
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VeilxIllia 21 hours ago
@richmahn
abortion is a choice, a choice you cannot take away from anyone.
those people were violating the law, and spreading lies and propaganda, and promoting a video which uses people who supposedly didnt know who hitler was to support their views on abortion.
comparing abortion to the holocaust is again, way out of scale.
its like comparing a barfight to the crusades.
i do not support either side of abortion, i was disgusted by their comparison of it to the holocaust.
VeilxIllia 21 hours ago
@VeilxIllia abortion is murder wether you like it or not and you find out when it is judgement day, you have been warned so you can't deny that you have heard the truth.
therussianson 20 hours ago
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richmahn 19 hours ago
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@VeilxIllia If you don't want to speak anymore, that's your choice, but to see someone else, myself included, when we were a fetus as just a body part that my mom can just lop off, is sad.
You obviously didn't watch the whole 180 movie to know why the Holocaust and abortion have so much in common to devaluing humans...bulldoze them! And I see you even devalue me for being a person who defends life for us off us, fetus or post-fetus. I do take a stance against murder, stealing, etc.
richmahn 19 hours ago
@VeilxIllia well i want to kill you and no one has a damn right to take away my choice of doing so! does that sound right to you? do you think that should be my choice? don;t make yourself into a double standard here give your reply in accordance to what you say about murdering babies
the only propaganda that is cosyting lives here is your rant and your governments lie about abortion being ok!
sh9683 19 hours ago
Are woman these days still having parts of their bodies removed? How many women have exercised their right of choice to have their leg removed? One of their lungs removed? There's something wrong when we love the ability to MURDER the even greater God-given miracle in our bodies that actually is a whole new set of legs, lungs, brain, heart, etc. IN the womb, a whole new body, yet NEVER chose to mutalate our own? This new body is even something greater for your life, a relationship with your baby
brothermeng 22 hours ago 2
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@brothermeng
"Are woman these days still having parts of their bodies removed? How many women have exercised their right of choice to have their leg removed?"
Great post brother.....it's true.
Taiwan1997 21 hours ago
Amazing! Thank you so much for this! It's so encouraging! I was already a strong pro-lifer & born-again Christian, but this is so inspiring to me! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
msbrilliantblonde 22 hours ago 2
Evil is still trying to kill our most helpless. There is nothing new under the sun...
truthinstyle 22 hours ago
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@truthinstyle
"Evil is still trying to kill our most helpless. There is nothing new under the sun..."
Since Cain killed Abel.....
Taiwan1997 21 hours ago
@AccessUnlimited Hey AccessUnlmitedToMurder, still waiting to understand why you can judge, why you live in a country that has judges, and what we should do about those people who even judge when someone dumps garbage on their lawn. Right, just turn a blind-eye to it?
richmahn 22 hours ago
Boy,..betcha at least 50% of the Ron Paul supporters hate this video.
trjonez 23 hours ago
I think it is disgusting to manipulate a persons mind into changing their personal opinion it has made my beleifs about abortion stronger! It is so ok if a woman is raped and feels that she would rather kill herself than have, if you are a young teenager and dont want the strain on your body, if it could kill you or both you and the baby, or if you feel you can not take care of it there are plenty of babies that can't get adopted because people dont want somebody elses baby!
kelseyj1197 23 hours ago 3
@kelseyj1197 You're trying to manipulate our minds to agree with you, are you not? It is not ok if a woman is raped, and that man should be brought to justice (but right, according to some here, we aren't to judge even a rapist), but wrong to take an innocent life due to the rape. THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO ADOPT BABIES, myself included. Even have siblings that were adobted. To state such is just you clawing at every possibility to have killing babies "moral" by today's standards. Sad.
Kathy0545 22 hours ago 5
@Kathy0545
"THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO ADOPT BABIES, myself included."
But think of the poor woman who have to endure a 9 month pregnancy. That is really the issue. A baby's life or a woman's skinny body.
Taiwan1997 21 hours ago
@Taiwan1997 well the woman shouldn't have sex if they can't support the baby, anyway you should be mariied first therefore it would be possible for the woman to endure pregnancy. This is one reason why God said you shall not commit adultery, just think, God was right.
therussianson 20 hours ago
@therussianson
God's always right....it's true.
Taiwan1997 18 hours ago
Besides this, i seriously doubt these people you were "informing" knew nothing of hitler.
but ya know, i could use a new job, how much are you paying them?
VeilxIllia 23 hours ago
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VeilxIllia 1 day ago
Every person born has the right to live whatever their belief is, hilter and other war mongers have NO right to take that right to live from anyone.Why cant man just learn to live together as one and accept each other for who and what they are a HUMAN BEINGS.Think about the movie"INDEPENDANCE DAY".LOVE and LIGHT to you all.
sisterofLOVE54 1 day ago
this is obnoxious.
abortion is nowhere near the seriousness of the holocaust, comparing the genocide of millions of people to that of a woman's choice as to whether or not to keep her baby is completely out of place and out of scale.
Yesterday several people came to my school, without the permission of administration, and started handing these videos out. They said it was about the holocaust.
this is not about the holocaust, this is propaganda under the guise of information.
VeilxIllia 1 day ago
@VeilxIllia You do understand abortion is murder though, right? If I were to take anyone who has ever been a fetus and murder them, would it really not be as tragic as the Holocaust? We are devaluing our own sons and daughters just as Nazi soldiers were doing...that is the point of this. There is a HUGE holocaust happening to people of our future generation. Wake up, or you too will repeat history. Glad those people gave videos out at your school...please heed their message. -Rich
richmahn 22 hours ago
@VeilxIllia If you are for choice, was is thus ok for Hitler to have choice to say Jews were subhuman? Is it good to have choice for stealing, murder and even killing our own toddlers? Is it good to have choice for mom's to murder my future students? What if I do have them as a student, and as a man or woman, should have the right to kill? Sure, we can dismember our OWN body, but a fetus is NEVER just seen like a woman's heart or brain, free to be removed, it is a UNIQUE human being.
richmahn 22 hours ago
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@richmahn
"If you are for choice, was is thus ok for Hitler to have choice to say Jews were subhuman? "
Fair is fair.
Taiwan1997 21 hours ago
Blue hair man has an informed opinion. I don't agree with his opinion but he does known what he is talking about. Jesus was a Jew, king of the Jews in all probability by bloodline. I don't think they made up their God, I think they actually had enough 'magic' power in Moses that it really seemed like God was on their side. What ever was in that box they carried round could be used as a powerful weapon.
RavenPrecept 1 day ago
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@RavenPrecept
"I think they actually had enough 'magic' power in Moses that it really seemed like God was on their side. What ever was in that box they carried round could be used as a powerful weapon."
You forgot to say.......I'll believe anything but the truth.
Taiwan1997 7 hours ago
@thishasbeenalex. Definitely start reading the bible.
ThatPurpleBoy 1 day ago
@ThisHasBeenAlex oh yes it is possible!
Abbakidd 1 day ago
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ThisHasBeenAlex 1 day ago
@ThisHasBeenAlex I could not encourage you more to listen to the "Hell's Best Kept Secret" audio message as found on our LivingWaters(dot)com site. It would seem that you had the wrong impression of what Christianity is all about if you claim it "failed" you and that message will clear it all up for you.
thewayofthemaster 1 day ago 12
@ThisHasBeenAlex religion failed you, people who profess christianity but have never known Salvation failed you. Jesus is alive and He is the way the truth and the life. There is no one better or more qualified to pose your question to but Him. If you truly want to know who and what He is ask Him, He will answer, He promised.
slkjaklmk 1 day ago
@ThisHasBeenAlex Do tell, how has putting faith in One who has proven himself faithful to have failed Him? Are you wanting to get something for it yourself, other than eternal life? One who puts faith in their own good works yet has no way to even measure them has failed/cheated themselves. I was saved by the blood of the Lamb that was FINISHED 2,000 years ago...nothing else has to be done, nor do I deserve anything else. I do what I do now for the joy of the Lord, not self gain
richmahn 1 day ago
@ThisHasBeenAlex I understand, I had been brought up "Christian" as a child also, but my parents did not act like something I wanted to be. I was hurt and abused as a child. But the word "Christian" means literally, "to be LIKE Christ". And that what a true Christian is. Also, many churches will portray a distorted example of a "Christian". But, the Word of God is powerful to show you the RIGHT way, the way of truth. I highly suggest you get a Red Letter Bible and read the 4 gospels.
chukandsarahpratt 1 day ago
@ThisHasBeenAlex God will always take you back! he said he has not ever forgotten his people! never! he still loves you!
sh9683 19 hours ago
@ThisHasBeenAlex I understand how you feel, but remember, God can never fail you! He created you and He has always and will always love you. Ask Him to reveal this to your heart and keep praying and reading the BIble. Then go to a Church and find a good priest to confess your sins, and then you will experience true freedom, and peace inside your heart, where God will live, with you forever! Amen
julies570 18 hours ago
@julies570
"God can never fail you! He created you and He has always and will always love you"
I take it you don't read the bible.
Taiwan1997 8 hours ago
@ThisHasBeenAlex I understand , i was where you are and i am no longer a christian or a beleiver of religion / all religion. I am a spiritual person , spirituality is the way. I pray and talk to god my self. You feel the way you do becuase the information & the truth is now available to all at their finger tip as well as many books along with people becoming more & more conscious. The Joos were'nt gassed , they starved to death. 6 million werent gassed. Lies r being covered up
Maxantium 18 hours ago
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ThisHasBeenAlex 17 hours ago
@Maxantium
"I understand , i was where you are and i am no longer a christian or a beleiver of religion / all religion. I am a spiritual person , spirituality is the way. I pray and talk to god my self. "
How do you know your god exists? (Actually and unfortunately he does 2 Cor 4:4).
Taiwan1997 8 hours ago
@ThisHasBeenAlex
It failed me too.....because I came to Christ for the wrong reasons....I "accepted" Him but I never "received" Him. I was a deceived false professor to Christianity. God doesn't even answers the prayers of the wicked so my life was a confused mess. I have been a genuine Christian for 2 years after 33 years of being a fake Christian. Sad story....Happy Ending :D
Taiwan1997 15 hours ago
The authors counter the argument that these “potential persons” have the right to reach that potential by stating it is “over-ridden by the interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being because, as we have just argued, merely potential people cannot be harmed by not being brought into existence.”
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
The authors do acknowledge that a mother, who they cite as an example of a true person, can attribute “subjective” moral rights to the fetus or newborn, but they state this is only a projected moral status.
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
Giubilini and Minerva believe that being able to understand the value of a different situation, which often depends on mental development, determines personhood. For example, being able to tell the difference between an undesirable situation and a desirable one. They note that fetuses and newborns are “potential persons.”
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
@Taiwan1997 "..many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos"...(embryo stem cell research..Yes, it is permitted, but should be illegal.) .."fetuses where abortion is permitted"..(again should be illegal).. "criminals where captial punishment is legal"..a person who commits heinous crimes against humanity forfeits their right to life in order to protect the rest of society. Comparing capital punishment to the taking of innocent life is ridiculous.
wearymom2003 1 day ago
Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’. We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her.
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
I say, if a baby or toddler hasn't transformed through puberty into a teenager/adult, kill it. Sure, the toddler has eyes and ears and hands and feet, even since he/she was a fetus, but they sure aren't tall, sure do not remember their 81st day on earth...no memory, no purpose, just a handful of trouble....so kill anyone before puberty. It's my choice, right? I mean, I didn't chose to have this child, looks ugly, and makes a mess. They're just a fixture of the home, just a part of the woodwork.
richmahn 1 day ago
@richmahn
Actually these two ethic guys are saying this for real. I will send the article to you through personal e-mail. What you are stating fictitiously is reality to these authors. I will go to my hotmail and send it to you and Laura.
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
“I am an obstetrician-gynecologist in private practice and a mother of four children. I fully endorse wwwDOTsfuhlDOTorg as comprehensive yet concise, objective, and accurate with well-researched credibility. It should be mandatory for truly informed consent before an abortion and for truly informative ACOG patient education materials.” check out the science
JaneRoe1984 1 day ago
what a total load of crap and mind manipulation.....
jamez0202 1 day ago
@jamez0202 Are you trying to manipulate us to the side that gives so much propaganda about how "choice" should be allowed to kill someone? You're language also is just what you called this movie...please tell us what was wrong with taking a stance for a world that was created by someone who has given us purpose?
richmahn 1 day ago
Wow.
Classic example of Reductio ad Hitlerum. You can compare any argument to Hitler to try and win your argument.
Still waiting on anything at all that suggests a fetus is a baby?
I think the greatest crime of all is judging others for who they are. If God is a petty little God that judges others, then I fundamentally disagree with him no matter how much he threatens me. I refuse to negotiate with terrorists.
AccessUnlimited 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited
"Still waiting on anything at all that suggests a fetus is a baby?"
How about life begins at fertilization? Is that okay? Because I am still waiting for anything that suggests a baby is a full functioning adult.
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited "Still waiting on anything at all that suggests a fetus is a baby?"
What proof would you like? That the fetus can do algebra problems and then he/she can live? Did you get what Taiwan1997 was saying? While MANY of us call a fetus a baby in the womb AND laws do convict someone for double-murder if a woman is killed, even in a car accident, even if not a "baby", why not prove a "baby" is not a teenager? A teenager an adult? If they aren't, can we kill them? Think!
richmahn 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that can't prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus/infant/toddler/etc. stages?
richmahn 1 day ago
@richmahn
The worse thing I can imagine is someone who judges others. A god who does that, is not worth my time. If that's the type of being he/she is, then I fundamentally disagree with them, and I wont be bullied by terrorists who threaten me with hellfire, deity or not. I fundamentally find judging others unethical and amoral.
AccessUnlimited 1 day ago
@richmahn
The worse thing I can imagine is someone who lives there life judges others. A god who does that (let alone a mortal), is not worth my time. If that's the type of being he/she is, then I fundamentally disagree with them, and I wont be bullied by terrorist who threaten me with hellfire, deity or not. I fundamentally find judging others unethical and amoral.
AccessUnlimited 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited You judge others for living their lives with a mind that can discern right and wrong, and you say it's wrong. Ok. It also seems from you that if one doesn't believe in something, like evolution, then it must not be true since what we don't believe is never fundamentally true, right? I'm sure even if someone thinks you don't exist, spits (or worse) in your home, you have no problem with it also, since you can't judge that person? Even murder can't be judged? Wow.
richmahn 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited So who lives their life judging others? Probably anyone who breathes. Sure, in actuality WE weren't the One who put this world into existence and made humans with a valuable purpose, to see what rebellion does to cause grief & sin. But what about your computer. Do you not judge what software is beneficial and what causes havoc? Do you not remove the bad programs from such a 'world"? Yet in our world, including myself, we are ALL bad, all have sinned against God.
richmahn 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that can't prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus/infant/toddler/etc. stages?
richmahn 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that can't prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus/infant/toddler/etc. stages?
richmahn 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that cant prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus->infant->toddler->etc stages?
richmahn 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that cant prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus->infant->toddler->etc stages?
richmahn 1 day ago
@AccessUnlimited You're probably doing the very same thing with the very person who made you and all of us from conception (that being God that existed long before you did). You say "There is no God, so he can't exist" then you ask for proof He exists, and no matter what anyone offers you, you say "Nope, that cant prove he exists because I believe he doesn't exist & don't want him to exist". Why don't we prove a fetus is a fetus? That we all had to go through fetus->infant->toddler->etc stages?
richmahn 1 day ago
Who was right? I was aware that Science has a history of error but in 1973 there was a dispute.
Wade vs Roe (in the blood red trunks) dehumanized the unborn while my biology textbook (in the blue trunks) stated otherwise.
Now post-Wade vs Roe.....because of DNA, genetic coding, and imaging.....the winner is by TKO
....Science!!!!!!! Hey there is some truth in Science and high school wasn't a complete waste of time. Never bought that we evolved from the mud while chemical lightning struck.
repentandbelieve2010 1 day ago 2
A few weeks in the womb.....a few minutes out of the womb...as they say in the Real Estate market.
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
the people are just starting to agree with the guy because hes taking up all their time.. you can tell most of them are like "yea yea okay" -_- Hitler and a mother have little in common. He used speaking tactics to trick these people into going against their original belief. Give me a minute with them and I'll bring them back. Pro-choice is not pro-abortion.
laurenrose18 1 day ago
@laurenrose18 But pro-choice supports abortion. I am for choices too and wouldn't want them stripped away from me, but the killing of a person, especially a BABY should never be a choice.
DreamOn427 1 day ago
@laurenrose18 >> laurenrose, Pro-choice, shouldn't mean Pro-abortion, however, it always seams any group trumpetting the rite of Pro-choice always has the rite to abort in mind!! Check that yourself and you don't need a textbook to proove that to it. Why isn't the rite to live, part of Pro-choice, how did Pro-choice take on the rite of abortion?! Aren't there two avenues of CHOICE?
osteomed 1 day ago
i agree with what this guy is saying about abortion...although when a chick takes "the morning after" pill, is that an abortion? i dunno its subjective i guess. i heard poverty is the biggest killer on this planet, so it would be nice if he discussed that more. i dont need religion or the question of whether im going to hell or heaven after i die to get me to live a life of high morals. believers and non believers alike dont know what happens after death although they make big claims.
lee0122333 1 day ago
@lee0122333 >> To answer your 'morning after pill, does it = aborti on' question... Well if your a practicing Catholic, or any one of the many sects of Christianity, when you believe that life begins @ conception; then YES, the morning after pill could equate to abortion! Same as an IUD placement which makes for a very "irritable uterine lining' for plantation of the zygote. Which is then washed away by the woman's menstruation (period).
Pretty deep moral stuff here...uhh.
osteomed 1 day ago
@PrettyLittlePulse they could have walked away... did you even watch the video. Why is someone elses life the mothers choice??
You say 'given right' Laws are made by the state, not God. Something may be lawful, but it doesnt make it morally right.
frenchfocus 1 day ago
"In the last days-(just before Christ returns to judge the unbelievers) people will only have ears for what they want to hear not the truth necessarily. They won't even know the truth when they hear it and will exchange the truth for a lie."
layorugua2000 1 day ago
This guy is a boss.
BamaisBack100 1 day ago
@PrettyLittlePulse
We care about HER. As G-d cares about her, me, and YOU.
G43sniper 1 day ago
@G43sniper And the baby?
cajunfox22 1 day ago
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@PrettyLittlePulse Also, (by your own logic) who gave you the right to tell the pro-lifers that they're wrong? After all (once again by your logic) it's their choice.
jokinggerman 1 day ago
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jokinggerman 1 day ago
@PrettyLittlePulse Nobody had to listen to him. Abortion is not a mother's given right if the unborn is indeed a life, which is the topic under debate.
jokinggerman 1 day ago
My stance: It's a human the moment it develops its first vital organ. If it's a morning after pill, I see nothing wrong with it. However, if the child has organs and is moving on its own, then it is human.
ultrabeest 1 day ago
@ultrabeest Really? So who gets to decide for the past 1000s of years on what is a major organ that determines if the abortionist died a murderer or not ? What vital organ, may i ask, makes me me? While I personally believe & see proof for a soul & spirit, our soul being eternal and spirit giving us a source of life unlike in animals, but regardless, you can't say that even the wonder of what is going on in the first cells of ME were worthless. What about my blueprint DNA? Worthless?
richmahn 1 day ago
@richmahn
I can't say they are worthless. That's why I didn't.
ultrabeest 1 day ago
@Taiwan1997 There're people here who now don't think my name is really Rich Mahn. I fear if they believe I don't exist & what I do is real, I'll vanish, just as they have made the One who existed before they were born disappear. I also hear that a convict, if he says "I don't believe prison exists" doesn't have to go to prison, that there is no punishment for a rapist if he was a good person in general...hmm. Oh wait, meant to post about my name...tell our friends I'm a "rich" mahn in spirit!:)
richmahn 1 day ago
@richmahn
I believe you exist.......although I have never seen you in person....I have weighted the evidence in your writings and what you created on your facebook page. Although Scientifically, I can't prove you exist. :(
Taiwan1997 1 day ago
@Taiwan1997 You could scientifically prove I exist by just saying, not proving, I came from non-living matter, like a rock or your keyboard, and assume that through random chance and pointless reasons of mutation, I became even more complex than any computer or machine created by man.
richmahn 1 day ago
a human life has value for it's own sake. the value of a human life is not determined by stage of a development or of decline. it is not defined by gender or by race. a human life has value simply because of his existence.
JaneRoe1984 2 days ago
@JaneRoe1984 "a human life has value for it's own sake. the value of a human life is not determined by stage of a development or of decline. it is not defined by gender or by race. a human life has value simply because of his existence."
Keep on posting! Love your fact-bits! Hope others take the time to read them and contemplate them too.
richmahn 1 day ago
This is awesome
narutoxhinata20 2 days ago
youtu.be/7y2KsU_dhwI?t=13m50s ... totally true... it's easy to discuss it ... but until it becomes real most people would have real trouble sticking to their principles
MrFour4F 2 days ago
horribly offensive to anyone with a grasp of ethics history or a brain.....compairing the murder of milliions of innocent people to that of aborting fetus' is just grotesque...i'm sorry that any holocaust survivors had to witness this
12vamosrafa 2 days ago
@12vamosrafa >> I guess, a nice try to equate the two. One being an example of millions of innocent ppl being murdered and one to aborted fetus'. Lets see... since 1973, when the Supremes made abortion legal, over 66 million innocent fetus' have been consciously aborted (or murdered, if your talking to some one who believes life starts at conception.
I gree fully w/ the Ob-Gyn-JaneRoe 1984, Taiwan and richmahn. Well said JaneRoe 1984!
osteomed 1 day ago
this guy went out and found the most ignorant people he could. honestly he had to have asked a lot of people to find people that just were this dumb. i bet out of the people he asked more knew him then didn't and all that was put on the film were the idiots.
corjayfred 2 days ago
@corjayfred bottom line there is lots of people that don't know anything about the subject
KingofKingsProd 2 days ago
Very moving video! well done
ifire1 2 days ago
the filmmaker seems to be a manipulative coward. this film would have looked rather different if he had not chosen to target individuals that are clearly quite socially neglected in terms of education, that's not exactly their fault, capitalist culture has a lot to gain from soft-headed people. they're very easily led, easily influenced,and manipulated as this guy so expertly demonstrates. Let's see him have a leg to stand on when asking around a good university, or how about Noam Chomsky.
mskj444 2 days ago
@mskj444 how dare in insult ppl that you know nothing about. How do you know what they are?...And who and what are you? Ray Comfort did nothing but ask them honest questions.
shanana000 2 days ago
@shanana000 by that i mean people who at least know who adolf hitler was.
mskj444 2 days ago
@mskj444 There is a another video on youtube where Ray Comfort runs into one of the people that he interviewed in 180. He ran into him at the college the guy attends (fyi Ray Comfort does a lot of ministry work at college campuses). Regardless of education the result is the same.
Ryuyari 1 day ago
@Ryuyari The result might be the same in one example of an individual, but throughout my education at two different universities i can only say that his results would have been quite different elsewhere. This film is entirely one-sided, with a singular goal in mind. he designed the line of questions, and relies in that way on the immediate connotations of superficial, didactic semantics to make a point which does not in any way consider the actual implications of prohibiting abortion.
mskj444 23 hours ago
@mskj444 i should say that i was brought up christian and used to share all these views and more. but certain inconsistencies arose, hypocrisies. not loving their neighbours, not forgiving anyone, condemning and judging the world, trying to control others. i've gone on to study world religions, philosophies, mythologies, especially the nature of symbolism; my conclusion is that at their best, all religions have the same divine core of the divine as everything, and love itself.
mskj444 23 hours ago
@mskj444
Are you apostate?
Taiwan1997 21 hours ago
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@mskj444 The reason for my response was because you pretty much said the people he was talking to didn't have a good education so he picked them because he knew it would not work on someone who did. i do agree that results will vary from person to person. that is a given. Yes the arguement is one-sided, because it's right. premise of the arguement is that it's wrong to kill other human beings and a baby is a human being. how much longer before we start saying that.... cont....
Ryuyari 17 hours ago
cont.... it's ok to start killing babies once they are born? oh wait we already do that. There are all kinds of stories of babies who, after an attempted abortion, live and are then left to die! Now if it's a choice between the mothers life and the babies life (actual life threatening) then then yes i can understand sacrificing the baby. but killing it because the mother doesn't want to deal with it isn't the answer. they can put the baby up for adoption... cont...
Ryuyari 17 hours ago
cont... there are plenty of people who will adopt kids. My parents adopted myself and 11 of my siblings. The government just needs to make that process easier. The other thing people can do is either not have sex (in this day and age though that will never happen because people don't have enough self control) or get protection to prevent conception of the baby. FYI - true christianity is nothing like other religions. everyone else says live a good life... cont...
Ryuyari 17 hours ago
cont.... and it will be ok. the Bible says God created us and then we rebelled against Him. It says that the penalty for our sin is to be cast into the lake of fire. we can not save ourselves. but because Jesus paid the penalty for our sins we can be saved from the punishment we deserve. We just have to repent of our sins and accept God's free gift of salvation. People aren't perfect we will mess up from time to time but you can't judge something based off of personal experience... cont
Ryuyari 17 hours ago
cont... the majority of americans (last statistic i looked at said over 50%) claim to be christian but in truth maybe about 1% (most likely less) of that actually is. Because while there are some things christians disagree on there are plenty of things we do agree on and if over 50% of americans were actually christians there would be a lot of things happening differently in this country. fyi Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn and others like them aren't christian. just so we are clear.
Ryuyari 17 hours ago
@Ryuyari When people realise what they have in common, they treat each other with compassion and respect, which means allowing them to live their lives. Babies come to beliefs in adulthood through the environment they're born in to. 'God' (the name in an english word) crops up in different places in different styles, just like clothes, plants animals and languages vary according to countries...
mskj444 14 hours ago
@mskj444 We're all the fruit of the earth, that's a beautiful thing and clear; if more people just focused on that it'd be automatic heaven on earth. People fall out when they only focus on the superficial differences and 'styles'. Anyway, my specific opinion on abortion is that beyond a certain point of development, it's wrong and too late i.e. when it could survive outside of the womb, before then it is a life 'form', and alive only because it is an extension of a woman's body...
mskj444 14 hours ago
@mskj444 Your experience of adoption is beautiful, glad to hear it, but many more might not be so lucky, and before that, many women cannot afford to go through the heavy physical tax of pregnancy and how it may disrupt their life situations. Improve education and it all could be avoided, but until then, abortion is a mercy for some. And i don't know if you know, but on the right in the drop down menu on your own comments, you can delete your own comments if they double :)
mskj444 14 hours ago
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@mskj444
"many women cannot afford to go through the heavy physical tax of pregnancy and how it may disrupt their life situations. "
Yeah, that would be rough.......better kill the unborn baby.
Taiwan1997 8 hours ago
@mskj444
"abortion is a mercy for some."
Yeah, getting a metal object through the skull doesn't get anymore merciful than that. What about some burning saline solution...does that hurt little one..it's called mercy. How about in the name of mercy we chop you up and suction you out with a vacuum. Can you say mercy?.....I knew you could.
Taiwan1997 8 hours ago
@Taiwan1997 by 'some', i mean women who may be in terrible situations, in their own health, or socially, or financially, perhaps they are on their own and could not survive if they had to give up work because there is no one there to support them. pregnancy is an extraordinary strain on the body and mind. and i don't deny that abortion is a really sad horrible thing.
mskj444 5 hours ago
@mskj444 First I just want to thank you. It's nice to have a civil debate on youtube for once. In regards to your comment about if people would realise what they have in common, they would treat each other with compassion and respect I think you left out an important factor. That everyone would have to selfless as well. People are selfish and that selfishness leads to many of the horrible things that happen today (theft, murder and wars to name a few)... cont...
Ryuyari 8 hours ago
cont... I disagree, obviously :), with your comment about God crops up in different places and in different styles. I do agree that there are different religions but true Christianity, as i said earlier, is nothing like the other world religions (another fyi - Roman Catholic, Morman and JW aren't Christian their beliefs are very different).I understand what you mean by your point on abortion but, and i'm not saying this is what you believe, how long before that becomes... cont...
Ryuyari 8 hours ago
cont... the reason we kill people because without some kind of support they won't survive? Again i understand that is not what you are saying but it doesn't take much to make it mean that. There are ways to prevent getting pregnent in the first place, i.e. not having sex but not much chance of that happening but there are other ways as well. People spend to much time "in the moment" and not enough time thinking of the future. This world would be better of if everyone 'mesured twice, cut once".
Ryuyari 8 hours ago
@Ryuyari it's a pity that civil debates don't happen much. when people disagree on something, they subconsciously make the argument into a way of inflating their ego, and try to satisfy that need with aggression because they think anger and 'being right' makes them feel better - but regardless of personal opinions all negative emotion does is eat away at them and their 'opponent' (a fellow human being)...
mskj444 4 hours ago
@RyuyariIt stops people hearing and respecting each other's feelings and thoughts, there's a feedback loop of overt of inferred insults and it creates more conflict and resistance and distrust in the people they attack. both sides do that. it's a root of war, apart from greed. it's also part of the selfishness thing maybe (and all religions, interestingly, have references to selflessness and forgiveness and non-judgment especially)..
mskj444 4 hours ago
@mskj444 i believe though that if people were truly aware of all that and how it creates the conflict they think they're working to remove, they would do things differently. people should just live their lives the way they want to and let others be.. because we all know that when someone tries to control us, we don't like it, so why should they. do unto others and all that? i don't know.. i'm just rambling now, very tired. anyway, cheers to you. have a nice life. au revoir :)
mskj444 4 hours ago
@mskj444
"only because it is an extension of a woman's body..."
Why then does the "extension" have it's own DNA, own Gender, own beating heart....that is quite the extension.
Taiwan1997 8 hours ago
@Taiwan1997 the cells proliferate from the mother's body, they don't pop out of nowhere. in the early stages that growth of cells could not survive if it were detached from a woman's body, and that is how i intend the meaning of the word 'extension'.
mskj444 5 hours ago
@mskj444 oh wait, lol! they kind of do pop out of nowhere within the egg, but without the mother's body connected to it through the umbilical cord, when can a foetus survive independently?
mskj444 4 hours ago
@mskj444 "oh wait, lol! they kind of do pop out of nowhere within the egg, but without the mother's body connected to it through the umbilical cord, when can a foetus survive independently?"
This logic would allow us to kill astronauts when connected with a tube to their ship, unable to survive independently...good way for NASA to kill them if bad employee? But your point is good, the woman is just another organ of the fetus, so shouldn't it be the fetus that aborts the mother when not needed?
richmahn 2 hours ago
@mskj444 It's a good thing that when we are done with one stage of our many stages of humanhood/personhood (fetus, infant, toddler, child, teen, adult) we DON'T abort the organ on the ther side of the umbilical cord. Maybe when evolution evolves us past our primative state, we'll claw our way out of the uterus? Blood bath for mommy? But what about you. Do u survive independently outside the earth's resources? You're still trapped in a bubble. Shall we kill you since you haven't reached 90? Hmm..
richmahn 2 hours ago
@mskj444
"i've gone on to study world religions, philosophies, mythologies, especially the nature of symbolism; my conclusion is that at their best, all religions have the same divine core of the divine as everything, and love itself."
So are you apostate?
Taiwan1997 10 hours ago