all that speed3 needs is an exaust. the speed 3s only con when it comes to stock performace (in my opinion) is its lungs (intake, exaust, ect..) once it can breathe the turbo spools up so much faster and harder. but hey, take the loss and put and exaust on and ask for a round two.
I'd rather have a Speed3 Anyday. The Tard Coupe is corny. The Speed3 is fast out the box..while the Tard Coupe takes thousands of dollars to be competitive. Yeah yeah yeah.. I know all you Tard Coupe fanboys will say, "look at the price difference" but ya know what??? You get what you pay for! With a TC, You get a camry engine packed into a tank heavy Celica.
@ScorpiosBite1 You do get what you pay for and for the price of the ms3, you'll get a tC with all the extra goodies(boost anyone?) that'll walk any ms3. A tC with a bolt-on turbo kit on stock boost can put in the 300+whp range easily. Add 3in exhaust and more boost and you'll wax any ms3 w/exhaust. You just sound like a tC hater.
i read something about NASA Time Trials or something they have no idea that a mazda protege beat a scion tc in 07 by 2 seconds. thats the mazda equivalent to a corolla lol.
watch?v=gcXOHxst3bg heres the COBB speed3, 3 years ago running firebird for TT.
unbelievable the amount of shit these scion fan boys talk about every other car they dont know about. thats how the honda kids were 15yrs ago what a shame. mazda guys, please lets never turn into that !
@veltpak6 Mazda protege....LOL....poor excuse for a turbo car. Thing is weak and blows up super easy. The MS3 isn't that much better at holding power either. 9 out of 10 I've come across have already blown up their first engines at least. And what's with the video? Like there aren't much better TT/Time Attack tC's out there. I don't recall a MS3 holding the track lap records at like 10 tracks across the country. A tC does..
@rhythmnsmoke ... people who have blown up their engine with the MS3 or even destroyed a clutch obviously don't know how to drive. i've had mone for a while now and i have yet blown my engine up. i rag it daily. perhaps it's driver ERROR???
@19SpaghettiOs88 Guess that would be a LARGE % of MS3 owners not knowing how to drive them. 9 out of 10 I've come across are on their 2nd motor. My friend Charles that I'm racing against in one of my videos was pushing 280whp on his MS3 when I raced him. He is on his 2nd motor now as well. From my research, it's just a bit difficult to get to the higher HP and still be reliable with the way the MS3 is setup (fuel injector wise and what not). Not hating on it, just saying.
@rhythmnsmoke yeah that is true. i have Mazdaspeed CAI and their Speed Exhuast with also their tune. i pushed 265whp over 310 lb-ft. maybe i am just pushing enough to have this problem or maybe mine is just one of the good ones xD
@19SpaghettiOs88 The closer you get to 300whp the more issues you are gpomg to incur in terms of fueling the motor. My boy had to run a Walbro just to even get to 280whp.
@rhythmnsmoke Damn, then i prolly wont do much more. i just got my turbo smart recirc. BOV. seems pretty nice but naw, i won't more than waht i got cause i hate having car issues man! lol
@19SpaghettiOs88 Is your stock, or are you pushing the HP #'s like everyone that I've come across has tried to do, and end up blowing it up. I have beat on my tC for 3+ years at 300whp/300wtq and never had a motor blow, pop or anything. And of course the tC is N/A from the factory.
haha 8 psi thats a cute little turbo. Is this video fake? if an 07 ms3 beat out the r32 for car of the year there is no way that a stock tc with a little baby turbo can even match it. tc's are good looking cars but they are meant for teens and they are not real sports cars
@jonathan732 what a dumb comment if you watch his vids youll see a turbo tc is just a quick if not quicker than those cars on just 8psi what does a ms3 boost stock?
The stock boost for a speed3 is 15.6 and the scion is not a quick car they are made for teens to look sporty and keep insurance rates low there is a reason why its not in the same category as the Si, Cobalt SS, WRX, SRT-4, GTI, Speed 3, Ralliart, and Mini Cooper S. any of these cars will burn a tc
@jonathan732. Not a quick car stock. But what is a Speed 3? A regular Mazda 3 but with a turbo. The tC is faster than a regular 3. Throw a turbo onto a tC, and it takes only 8lbs of boost to put 250 - 270whp / 260 - 280wtq. To put that into perspective 8psi on a tC will walk away from every car you just listed being that they are stock.
@rhythmnsmoke i know lol if anything we should be comparing mazda 3(non-speed) vs tC not the the speed turbo version and we all know how a mazda 3 stacks up against a tC the tC will eat it all day
Do you know what a tC on 15.6 lbs would be? It would be a 400whp car capable of running 11's in the 1/4 mile. That's what 15lbs of boost is on a Scion tC.
thats because there is nothing to know about it. Its a car that parents buy for there kids as a first car because it looks nice ,which is does, and keeps insurance low and safety and mpg high.
@jonathan732 I like people like you. The people who would race me with the mentality of..."its just a Scion tC". Cause I love the overwhelming look of confusion on their faces when they get their doors blown of...lol
@jonathan732 Just out of curiosity, tell me, what nationally recognized motorsport has an MS3 regularly competed in and won championships in since its debut. Since you say there is nothing to know about a tC.
The ring? That's not a Motorsports event dude. That's stock cars. The tC in this vid is not stock, nor is our conversation about stock vehicles. Please tell me your not going to resort to the typical Ricer move of....."well stock vs stock it's faster". Well no duh, congrats it comes with a turbo. It's a trim level of a regular Mazda 3. tC has no additional trim levels, it's what you make out of it. That's the way it was marketed.
What Corolla base? tC Corolla base? BHAHAAA jokes. Facts: Comes from the AWD Toyota Avensis chassis. That "base" you speak of has gone on to 2 time NASA champs, 4 times Unlimited Class Time Attack, 2 time Modified Class Time attack champs. World record holder at various race tracks across the country. And an MS3 has done what again?
Indeed. And yet we suck because it didn't come form the factory with a turbo and $26k dollar price tag. But we have track records and victories in Motorsports despite not having that stuff from the factory. The Fanboys never seem to ever make any logical sense. Especially when talking about a car that spends 90% of it's time picking up the kids and grocery stores.
@rhythmnsmoke yep getting groceries 4drs and hath for the win their both good cars just these assholes dont want to think of the tC being a competitor stock for stock we all know that but once again u would have to compare mazda 3 non-speed and tC and we know how that goes
@rhythmnsmoke hehe ill tell you shit b/c only thing eating up the track in any fwd class is a tC shit while we on that just tell them about dan gardner winning and tC winning in drift the chassis is versatile as fuck but i like these haters keep me motivated lol
@jonathan732 nothing to know about, okay explain to me why this "teen car is faster than any mazda,si,srt4 that runs time attack in the same class as any tC unlimited fwd,limited fwd expalin to me how look up track records and then tell me why u think tC is weak car when its doing more around the tracks than all the cars u talk about in your reply
there is a reason why the ms3 has been around the nurburgring in 8:39 which is the same time as an s2k and 1 second slower than an nsx and 3 seconds faster than an exige and the ms3 had an inexperienced driver. can you tell me the time around the nurburgring for the tc?
The Nurburg for the second damn time...Is not a Motorsports event. Congrats it went around a track all by its lonesome for a PR to get more sales. Is that really the only accomplishment you can talk about with the MS3? Cause you and the other dude said the same damn thing, and that's the only thing you have said. Weak sauce.
@rhythmnsmoke yeah we mean records in motorsports and fwd class and still ms3 is not fastest fwd around the ring where as the tC has track records in its class around willow,california speedway,vir,and i think even road alanta where is the ms3,si,and srt4's in all this find me examples u cant lol so u talk about the ring lol
Custom turbo setup VS a stock setup.... thats really the only race going on here. Slap a K04 onto the tC and watch it struggle worse than the 2.3L DISI *shrug*
@youngbleeb tC would laugh at a little K04 turbo. The tC's 2.4L wouldn't struggle worse just fyi. Its not setup with a restrictive fuel setup like the MS3 is. It won't blow up at 300whp like MS3s do either.
The fuel system is fine on the MS3. Bear in mind, with Direct Injection, you dont change injectors to uprate flow, but you knew that. And what are you talking about 300whp blowing engines? Is that why there are a few 420+whp stock engines out there, or do you just hang around shitty tuners? The Mazda engine can at least make ridiculous amounts of midrange torque on a turbo that size. The 2AZ would barely start if it had a K04. Face facts, learn about turbo flow rates and what torque curve means
@youngbleeb. Its not fine, it blows up when people try and turn up the boost. Barely start? The 2az would laugh at such a tiny miniscule turbo. That thing is smaller than a 16g that I use to run on my tC. Learn about turbo flow rates? Lol...dude my tC has been boosted for 3+ years and I have 50 some odd vids posted here of me beating various cars, including a heavily modded MS3.
Thanks for confirming you know ZIP about tuning. Your friends cant tune for shit, they'll blow up a DI engine because theyre stupid. The people you get your stories from. What the fuck does an engine "laughing" at a turbo mean? Are you an idiot or just a moron? LOL Make sense, next time. You can't just anthropomorphize an engine and expect people to think you have a clue. Sure, a god damn CAMRY engine is superior to a DI torque beast with incredible potential, SURE. HA.., idiot in a tC.
Don't know zip about tuning? Dude go freaking sign up on some forums. Every time I came upon an MS3 that tried to push the limits 9 out of 10 were blown up. It means that a K04 is to fucking small for a tC's motor dude. Torque? LOL....a tC on boost creates more torque than it does Hp 9 out of 10 times. If it makes 400whp, you can expect it to make 400wtq to go with it.
"If it makes 400whp, you can expect it to make 400wtq to go with it." On a stock engine? You're a goofball. 2.3DISI is making that kinda torque (400) on the stock turbo, SON. I'm on the forums, there are a lot of morons out there, wont deny that. The 2.3DISI will make FAR MORE midrange tq, even on a K04, than any Camry engine could.. and you know what.. 400ft/lbs at 4400RPM CAN BEND RODS even though HP might still be low 300's. NO 2AZ will ever make that TQ @ that RPM, esp NOT stock....
WTF are you even talking about. Are you following anything being written. We don't come with stock turbo's dude. So, it's whatever turbo the owner decides to put on it and it won't be some weak ass k04. Again, if the tC is making 400whp it will be making right at 400wtq too.
"We don't come with stock turbo's dude. So, it's whatever turbo the owner decides to put on it and it won't be some weak ass k04."
I really don't get what you're trying to say. First, I asserted that obviously because of the stock K04, the MS3 is at disadavantage. Then you go on with "no, the difference is the engines. The Mazda GDI engine is less superior to a crappy 2AZ because some guys blew an MS3 engine on a forum" only to now come back with "weak ass K04" that's the prob... wtf
No, you are trying to compare a Turbo MS3 to a stock NA tC. You throw a turbo on the tC then you compare. NA tC would be compared to a regular Mazda 3 not MS3. That car comes from the factory with turbo obviously. So, it has a predefined turbocharger. You bragged about "stock turbo". I was just saying that's not applicable to us, since we don't come with "stock turbos". It's not a bragging point. It's what the motor can do on boost. And on boost, before we blow up, is no less than MS3
And the K04, again you misinterpreted what I meant by "weak ass k04". It might not be "weak ass" for the MS3, don't know, I don't pay that much attention to the MS3 besides seeing all the blown up ones from when anyone tries to turn up the boost. They have to add so much additional stuff just to break 300whp. I was saying that the K04 would be "weak ass" on a 2az. That turbo is way to small for our motor.
That's right, you dont know what you're talking about. My ORIGINAL COMMENT stands, that the only race going on here, is between a small factory turbo and a larger TOTALLY CUSTOM AFTERMARKET TURBO SETUP. Get it through your thick skull plate, moron!! Gawd, what an idiot. There are boosted REGULAR MAZDA 3 examples, readily at hand that would slap your tC silly... and somehow the FORGED, DI, DISI 2.3 somehow has LESS potential than that? GTFOutta here!!
I know more about the MS3 than you think you know about the tC, that's apparent. That's My ORIGINAL COMMENT and it stands. You come in here pumping your chest talking about torque this and torque that....and I send you the vids and then you digress about the torque comments. You haven't sent me anything to refute anything I've said about the MS3. I'm a moron now? So, we taking it down to that level now?
Sure, you know so much you cant see the difference b/w a factory turbo and tune vs a custom setup in a lighter car. Like how do you NOT FIGURE? You just cant absorb the 1300hp L3-VDT case (thats the engine code, newb) , even at hand vids of 477whp stock internal MS3, when you said they blow at 300ish whp. Yup, it IS apparent, you don't know much but have the attitude of an expert. That, by definition makes you a moron. *shrug* Quit wasting my time with your 2JZ swapped tC examples.
You only talk about this video, but you didn't say anything about mine. Wonder why is that...cause it doesn't fit your biased opinion. In my vid, I'm running a 16G turbo, street tuned, and walking all over my boys MODDED MS3. A 16G is NOT a big turbo by any means. So, explain, would like to hear this one. His wasn't a factory tune obviously either. You didn't show me a 477whp stock internal MS3 by the way. I did show you a 424whp stock internal tC though. It's apparent another ricer.
@rhythmnsmoke haha i love watching that vid of you walking tha ms3 with the tiny 16g thats blown and not the boost u usually run, all it takes is a shitty turbonetics kit on 7psi to walk a ms3
2jz swapped tC examples....BHAHAHAA!!!! One video of the 10 I sent, as only a reply to the stupid RWD Pro Drag MS3 you sent me that wasn't an MS3 anymore. GTFO...
There are 1000hp 2az's yeppie, a 1300hp L3-VDT...300hp more...you want a cookie or something?
And Please show me some regular Mazda 3 examples that will slap me silly. Didn't realize we were racing with other peoples cars now too. Should I go get my boy's tC's to throw into the equation now? Ricer talk dude. Ricers race with other peoples cars. And where did I say an MS3 didn't have potential. My position was that a tC has a shit ton of potential, evident by the damn championship trophies it has in Motorsports. Still haven't answered my question though...What has an MS3 done?
"regular Mazda 3 examples that will slap me silly."
Uhh I already did as a reply to your PM. I gave you a few examples. 569whp regular Mazda 3 ring a bell? Or is your memory just short and selective. I assure you that Creative's 'regular MZ3' would rape your tC till it pukes oil. Talkin about i didnt give you an example... you're just lying. Moron :)
And I sent you a 662whp Scion tC with 600+wtq. That would slap me silly, you silly and that 569whp Mazda silly. Your point? Yet again, RICER shit dude. Racing with other peoples cars = Ricer Move. Yay for you. I'm done with this weak sauce replies from you. Go mod you own car, and come back and talk when it's fast in more than just a straight line. Straight line speed, I've been there and done that, I've moved on to Road Racing, Time Attack, and AutoX.
dont gimme that about handling now lol. You're talking to somoene whos DAILY DRIVER is a 2500lb mid 12 sec N/A 2.5L V6 hatch. How do you THINK 2500lbs handles with oil filled tokicos dropped on eibachs with MX3 sways? :) And this is all old hardware, bud.
@youngbleeb WTF are you talking about. Who said anything about your handling. I said I run on road courses, time attack and autox. Didn't say anything about your cars handling. And yet you still ricer talking. Just because you add a set of shocks and springs don't mean squat to me. Do you run it on a track? Let me guess, you track race too, yet just another thing you can't prove. I'm done with this conversation.
@youngbleeb ricer talk that would be like him saying where theirs a639whp tC on the forum that would beat that car its just back and forth both cars are equall and take well to boost
@rhythmnsmoke that is ricer talk k that would be like me saying well let me get the new lf-a and smack every and anything mazda could hope to make, who says that i know lots of cars that can beat your the question is can your car probaly not since rhythnsmoke has vids and your page blank
All we need is a turbo kit, exhaust, fuel injectors and management, and it does 300+whp/300wtq around 9-10lbs of boost. You talk about torque this and torque that and saying the tC doesn't make right at the same Tq as Hp (putting aside the vids I sent you to prove it), why would you think that a motor with one more Liter of displacement than an MS3 motor has, couldn't make Tq like it does HP? Just because of DI fuel? Fueling doesn't create torque, so curious to know why you would think that.
Takes about 15lbs of boost for a tC to be in the 400whp range. And yes they can do it on a stock motor. I've had this car since they came out, and I've raced it ever sense, and been boosted for 3+years on it. I think I know my own car noob. And it's not called a Camry engine, it's called a 2az. Would you call a 240sx a Truck? Cause the KA in them is a truck motor. Don't make them a truck no more than a tC's 2az makes it a Camry. It's not even the same internally as the Camry's. GTFO
And lol...at you bragging about there being 420whp stock motor MS3's. Not impressed dude. I can pull up a vid of a tC running the about the same amount on a stock motor also...yeah for you that you can run as much stock hp as a car that came from the factory without boost. Dude there are 400, 500, 600, 700, 800 and even 1000hp Scion tC's. Yay for your "few" with 420whp....lol. Idiot MS3 fanboy. Mad cause a tC with a little turbo and low boost will walk all over MS3's.
He fail to understand that HP is a calculation of tq*RPM. A K04 can only maintain a certain CURVE of torque in it's efficiency range. Being fitted for QUICK SPOOLING for EVERYDAY DRIVING, it can really torque the engine up in the midrange, but choke up top, resulting in tq being much higher than HP... WAY more so than a port injection 2AZ. But, whatever, I've tuned many engines (and own an NA hatch) that would rip your scion into another dimension, so you can go get a clue on your OWN.
LOL....Your imaginary NA hatch that would own your grandma's Buick maybe. Talk the talk, but you got to walk the walk kid. You don't got shit stop with the Rice talk.
@rhythmnsmoke i know right hes suck a fanboy these vids are plenty on youtube lol a tC with a little bolt-on kit and a mear 7 to 9psi walking hard on these cars
And you are just as I suspected. Click on your SN to go to your youtube page, and it has Nothing. Wish I had a dollar for every time someone was talking smack and then I click on their name and they have nothing even close to being associated with Automotive on their page. Do you even drive an MS3? Stock still I take it too..yes?
I dont drive an MS3, I TUNE THEM. Your CAMRY engine isnt running anything near 450 or 550whp stock, and ESP. not matching torque!! What a tC riceboy, you still know jack-all about tuning, powerbands, fuelling ESP on GDI engines or you wouldnt use YOUTUBE as your case! thats laughable, you're laughable. Simply because you or your friends are 100% clueless abt GDI says nothing about the tech itself (or those that can actually TUNE) Just go ask your *mechanic* about your laughing engine, idiot!
You tune them, yet have no proof of it. And dude there are vids of tC's on here making 420whp stock motor, AND matching torque. I know jack all about tuning....lol, I have a vid of me tuning and testing my own car, and yet I know nothing about tuning, and you don't have shit to back up anything you are saying. Go find me a stock motor MS3 making 450whp please. What does any of this have to do with the vid and how the MS3 lost to a tC on just 8lbs of boost?
@rhythmnsmoke right just 8psi and once tC grabs 4th it walks 4cars easy lol and tac cost 17k new ms3 are like gti's overpriced i saw one at the mazda dealership near my house they wanted 26k brad new lol
I'll start sending you vids and dyno sheets, but usually when I do that, people like you shut up after that. And I'm having a laugh at your rice boy comments right now.
wow, you have so much to prove, yet I dont... hmm. I dont need to prove my work to you lmao, you can go right ahead and send me all your shit, I'll check it @ earliest convenience. So mr i tune my own car, tell us how GDI works, and why it's superior to port injection? Oh wait, it's not and every auto engineer agrees with that. Hmm. "Mazdaspeed 3 477 WHP dyno run HiBoost kit" Stock block.
Can your tC pull this hard over 120? Give it a shot. CAI only, fool. Looks like you only want to pay attn to the little kiddies on forums who had their mommy buy their speed3, wanna hack their shit, bypass sensors, not tune properly and blow their engine. Probably because you WANT to believe your tC is better, probably because you tune that way yourself, who knows or cares?
sorry bro, i didnt realise your speedo didnt even go up to 155mph. Unfair request. Also, I'll give you cred for tuning after watching your videos (but zero cred for knowing about tuning GDI!) I take it your engine is on stock internals, RIGHT?
Yup, stock internals, and Still pull on all those cars. And my Speedo is just a number. I top out at the 150-155mph range since I don't have a factory ECU controlling the car, nor is my rpm set to factory.
sorry, I'll include this one in public, for all to see
watch?v=wYgPnENK6G0
Yeah, you can do things like this with GDI technology. Wait, but I'm scared cuz some moron kid in a forum, totally new to turbos blew his engine. Right......
Also, I'd LOVE to see your dyno sheet! And compare the torque CURVE to a stock MS3. When you see WHERE the torque is on the graph, you'll understand what I mean by "torque beast". All it takes is a bigger turbo to push that torque to redline. *shrug* cheaper than full custom turbo kit AND the car already outperforms ALL toyota FWDs. So why would I start with a Corolla chassis, weak brakes/handling AND less power? Can you tell me where the benefit lies?
again, sry I have some corrections to make. Dee Kargiannis & Ed Bregenholtz' 2.3L DISI's were 7 sec cars, not 6. Also, on a stock K04, torque PEAKS at 3100rpm, not 4400rpm. Now when kids crank up their boost, it only affects the lower end, so they can be pushing (without proper tune even) upwards of 350+ ft/lbs at 3200rpm!!! So much TQ that low would SHRED a 2AZ, even tho that MS3 might only make 280whp. That would register instantly if you actually built engines or had much tuning experience.
@rhythmnsmoke lol why this guy so mad i mean halo has 4plus vids walking 3 diff ms3 on just 8psi lol you got a vid of a modded one and you walk him easy with blown turbo lol just crying if u ask me
@youngbleeb lol they both have equal potential ill side more with tC since i have one and youll side more with ms3 since you tune them agree to disagree
Personally, I don't see a tc competing with a MS3... Sure they might be able to stay close enough to get a good view of the bumper but no way is a tc going to pull ahead of a ms3 like that... I highly doubt this video was anymore than a couple people trying to make their scion look like more than eye candy...
@aceblaster182 omfg are fucking stupid the tC has stage 1 turbotoyotas thats a turbo kit u dumbass, tc's boosted will run ms3 all day dont beleive it look it up on youtube damn what a stupind post must be a mazda nutswinger
Mazda owns and like the other guy said the ms3 has pretty much car of the year since they came out. and the other guy thats bitching that says they suck your just mad that you spent the same money on your honda and got lesser of a car.
Ummm....it's a toyota HAHA. Also, just bc a mag calls it car of the year, that doesnt mean it is car of the year. That's just the editor's opinion. Besides, I dont know what the fuck your all bitching about anyways. Both cars are great and a blast to mod/drive. My buddy has an ms3 and we race all the time and we dont bitch like fanboys about who wins or loses.
did i hear a "3rd gear 40mph"...lame if the ms3 did that should have went 2nd gear 40....ne ways nice ride...would like to race that TC with my fully bolted MS3
Problem is....in 2nd @ 40mph, the tC would burn the tires up. So, 3rd gear and brake boosting it optimal as you don't spin the tires. That is if you are running 12lbs or less boost. At 12lbs you burn them up in 3rd gear.
K I was NOT expecting the freakin Scion to win LOL. Looks like I better get modding... I wouldn't want to succumb to the same fate ;) Good runs, be careful on the street.
check my other videos please. the turbo kit isnt from toyota. its from a american company named TurboToyotas. look it up. drugs are cool.
its cheaper to just take the exhaust off when i need the power, and its more power than having piping. the best exhaust is no exhaust. but as a daily driver, it usually has the stock exhaust on there, like in this video. in my other video, you can see shots of the tC with the stock exhaust beating even faster MS3's than the one in this video.
ok, i see now. i do believe it to be faster than a stock MS3. but not pull on a stock ms3 like you did in this vid.
and this is total apples to oranges though. strap a t3/t4 turbo, upgrade fuel management, put an aftermarket dp on, give the MS3 a FMIC and chuck the TMIC and a tune.
the MS3 will burn the TC. but nice none the less
what hp/tq are you putting down?
im about to get a flash, that plus my intake, upgraded bov, and FMIC will put down 295 plus whp and over 320wtq
So, what your suggesting is to pay more money for a car that's already boosted from the factory, add a crap load more mods to it, just to be able to beat a barely boosted tC?
i have already realized why the Turbo TC is faster than a stock MS3. for one, the TC has a Bigger turbo than our MS3's. we are running KO4's which means the turbo loses efficiency right after 5500k rpms. plus the throttle plate is controlled by computer. even at WOT, it will began to close.
we are running a smaller TMIC and you are running a FMIC. your fuel system is better(upgraded)
so its Apples to oranges. put those same mods on the MS3 and see what happens to your Turbo TC then
My boy in his tC beat a stock MS3 at the 1/8th mile strip. His tC has no upgraded fuel system (stock injectors), 6 PSI of boost, and he was not running a big turbo either. Evo III 16G, same turbo that I was running during my video race with my boy Charles modded MS3. I have injectors though, and was running 8-9 PSI in that vid. The MS3 (minus the fmic) in my vid has all the same upgrades fyi...and still lost by 2 1/2 to 3 cars.
yeah with the same mods that i have, an MS3 would be faster. but its all about money. the money ive spent on the mods and turbo, plus the cost of the car is cheaper than the MS3 stock.
i have never dynoed the car and it is street tuned. however cars with similar setups and psi usually put out 300hp and torque. and the tC's are 2.4 liters. biggest advantage of the MS3 is the LSD. i still have an Open Diff.
You right, a tC with only 8lbs will not beat a stock MS3.....it will stomp it. A tC on 6lbs will just beat a stock MS3. Swing over to my youtube page for another tC on 9lbs putting a hurting on a modified MS3. Have fun.
The Stage 0 is the one only on 6 PSI, no fuel upgrades, running a Small Evo III 16G. That one has beaten a stock MS3. The video on my profile with the MS3 in it, is that of me racing and my boy. Called "Rhythmnsmoke vs Charles MS3".
Yay for the MS3 interior, I'm sure it comes in real handy when winning races. My interior is not stock, so I not bothered by stock tC interiors. Besides, no stock or slightly modded MS3 will be close enough to even see what my interior looks like. The rear end looks good though....LOL. J/k with you dude, don't take offense to any of that, I'm bored.
not sure about you. maybe you bought your n/a tc to upgrade and win races.
i bought my MS3 to drive. its fast, handles, and is fun right out of the box while the TC has to play catch up in str8line performace which is the only area it can catch up.
Naw, never bought it to race originally. It was a great price for the amount of car you got. Very peppy around town with the low gear ratio and tq. It wasn't until I took a ride a boosted one with 300whp/300tq that I got bitten by the race bug. Now, it's all about racing it. Still daily driven as well. You bought something that was already modded basically, since it's a trim level of a lesser car. tC has one trim level only, so the racer version of it is what you make out yourself.
BRO DUDE ON MS3 LEARN HOW TO SHIFT.LOL.UR SHIFTING SOON.BUT GOOD RUN
boostms3 9 months ago
Not bad ,I own a stage 2 ms3 and my wife owns a tC. I love both cars, mine gets shitty gas mileage and hers gets great gas mileage!
matrix311 10 months ago
the ms3 cant drive at all.. unless scion has real good tunning and has more dontethen said
nowayou812 1 year ago
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the ms3 cant drive at all..
nowayou812 1 year ago
wtf is that MS3 loser doing? its a scion tC for fuck's sake.
governorlin 1 year ago
@governorlin A boosted Scion tC...
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago 2
all that speed3 needs is an exaust. the speed 3s only con when it comes to stock performace (in my opinion) is its lungs (intake, exaust, ect..) once it can breathe the turbo spools up so much faster and harder. but hey, take the loss and put and exaust on and ask for a round two.
ShdwBxr 1 year ago
@ShdwBxr With an exhaust or an intake the MS3 would still have lost.
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
@ShdwBxr i realized,(didnt read the desricption) but my mazda wouldve won (tmic,catless turbo back, sri, stage2 tune. puting 315 to the wheels.)
ShdwBxr 1 year ago
@ShdwBxr That's not what you said on the other video.
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
I'd rather have a Speed3 Anyday. The Tard Coupe is corny. The Speed3 is fast out the box..while the Tard Coupe takes thousands of dollars to be competitive. Yeah yeah yeah.. I know all you Tard Coupe fanboys will say, "look at the price difference" but ya know what??? You get what you pay for! With a TC, You get a camry engine packed into a tank heavy Celica.
ScorpiosBite1 1 year ago
@ScorpiosBite1 You do get what you pay for and for the price of the ms3, you'll get a tC with all the extra goodies(boost anyone?) that'll walk any ms3. A tC with a bolt-on turbo kit on stock boost can put in the 300+whp range easily. Add 3in exhaust and more boost and you'll wax any ms3 w/exhaust. You just sound like a tC hater.
Any car has potential!
ProTuner06 1 year ago
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ScorpiosBite1 1 year ago
hahaha mazda lost to a tc..pathetic
srt4anadote 1 year ago
@srt4anadote yo learn how to drive that speed3 then race cuz u give us guys that drive speed3 a bad name
jdmdibs 1 year ago
@jdmdibs You can't win them all.
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
Videos recorded at night = FAIL
Sraedw 1 year ago
@Sraedw Not if the camera is HD and plenty of background light. There are some pretty descent night racing videos out there. This isn't one of them.
ProTuner06 1 year ago
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Sraedw 1 year ago
U guys have no clue how to roll race
mzdatnr 1 year ago
you dont know how to race for shit.........
96TEGY 1 year ago
i dont believe it.
1DAONLYTRUNECIOS 2 years ago
they signed waifers? lol
get a turbo inlet on the ms3, you won't regret it.
lujoebonjo 2 years ago
i read something about NASA Time Trials or something they have no idea that a mazda protege beat a scion tc in 07 by 2 seconds. thats the mazda equivalent to a corolla lol.
watch?v=gcXOHxst3bg heres the COBB speed3, 3 years ago running firebird for TT.
unbelievable the amount of shit these scion fan boys talk about every other car they dont know about. thats how the honda kids were 15yrs ago what a shame. mazda guys, please lets never turn into that !
veltpak6 2 years ago
2008 and 2009 NASA champs in their class is the Jackson Dawson Scion tC, go look it up.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@veltpak6 Mazda protege....LOL....poor excuse for a turbo car. Thing is weak and blows up super easy. The MS3 isn't that much better at holding power either. 9 out of 10 I've come across have already blown up their first engines at least. And what's with the video? Like there aren't much better TT/Time Attack tC's out there. I don't recall a MS3 holding the track lap records at like 10 tracks across the country. A tC does..
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
@rhythmnsmoke lol get lost moron. 4 months later no one cares about what you think. go accelerate out of control and stfu
veltpak6 1 year ago
@veltpak6 4 months later you still a dumbass, Congrats.
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
@rhythmnsmoke ... people who have blown up their engine with the MS3 or even destroyed a clutch obviously don't know how to drive. i've had mone for a while now and i have yet blown my engine up. i rag it daily. perhaps it's driver ERROR???
19SpaghettiOs88 1 year ago
@19SpaghettiOs88 Guess that would be a LARGE % of MS3 owners not knowing how to drive them. 9 out of 10 I've come across are on their 2nd motor. My friend Charles that I'm racing against in one of my videos was pushing 280whp on his MS3 when I raced him. He is on his 2nd motor now as well. From my research, it's just a bit difficult to get to the higher HP and still be reliable with the way the MS3 is setup (fuel injector wise and what not). Not hating on it, just saying.
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
@rhythmnsmoke yeah that is true. i have Mazdaspeed CAI and their Speed Exhuast with also their tune. i pushed 265whp over 310 lb-ft. maybe i am just pushing enough to have this problem or maybe mine is just one of the good ones xD
19SpaghettiOs88 1 year ago
@19SpaghettiOs88 not*
19SpaghettiOs88 1 year ago
@19SpaghettiOs88 The closer you get to 300whp the more issues you are gpomg to incur in terms of fueling the motor. My boy had to run a Walbro just to even get to 280whp.
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
@rhythmnsmoke Damn, then i prolly wont do much more. i just got my turbo smart recirc. BOV. seems pretty nice but naw, i won't more than waht i got cause i hate having car issues man! lol
19SpaghettiOs88 1 year ago
@19SpaghettiOs88 Kool man, good luck with everything.
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
@19SpaghettiOs88 Is your stock, or are you pushing the HP #'s like everyone that I've come across has tried to do, and end up blowing it up. I have beat on my tC for 3+ years at 300whp/300wtq and never had a motor blow, pop or anything. And of course the tC is N/A from the factory.
rhythmnsmoke 1 year ago
what is brake boosting?
khiljis1 2 years ago
holding the brake and gas at the same time so the turbo spools but the car doesnt increase speed.
FSolaHalo 2 years ago
@FSolaHalo Thanks!
khiljis1 2 years ago
haha 8 psi thats a cute little turbo. Is this video fake? if an 07 ms3 beat out the r32 for car of the year there is no way that a stock tc with a little baby turbo can even match it. tc's are good looking cars but they are meant for teens and they are not real sports cars
jonathan732 2 years ago
its a larger turbo with an equal length manifold.
simply click on my profile and watch the other vids of the same car.
FSolaHalo 2 years ago
cute little turbo
jonathan732 2 years ago
larger than the stock MS3 turbo lol
FSolaHalo 2 years ago
@jonathan732 what a dumb comment if you watch his vids youll see a turbo tc is just a quick if not quicker than those cars on just 8psi what does a ms3 boost stock?
dcin1 2 years ago
The stock boost for a speed3 is 15.6 and the scion is not a quick car they are made for teens to look sporty and keep insurance rates low there is a reason why its not in the same category as the Si, Cobalt SS, WRX, SRT-4, GTI, Speed 3, Ralliart, and Mini Cooper S. any of these cars will burn a tc
jonathan732 2 years ago
@jonathan732. Not a quick car stock. But what is a Speed 3? A regular Mazda 3 but with a turbo. The tC is faster than a regular 3. Throw a turbo onto a tC, and it takes only 8lbs of boost to put 250 - 270whp / 260 - 280wtq. To put that into perspective 8psi on a tC will walk away from every car you just listed being that they are stock.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke i know lol if anything we should be comparing mazda 3(non-speed) vs tC not the the speed turbo version and we all know how a mazda 3 stacks up against a tC the tC will eat it all day
dcin1 2 years ago
Speak the truth man.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
Do you know what a tC on 15.6 lbs would be? It would be a 400whp car capable of running 11's in the 1/4 mile. That's what 15lbs of boost is on a Scion tC.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@jonathan732. Its apparent you don't know much about the tC...lol
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
thats because there is nothing to know about it. Its a car that parents buy for there kids as a first car because it looks nice ,which is does, and keeps insurance low and safety and mpg high.
jonathan732 2 years ago
@jonathan732 I like people like you. The people who would race me with the mentality of..."its just a Scion tC". Cause I love the overwhelming look of confusion on their faces when they get their doors blown of...lol
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@jonathan732 Just out of curiosity, tell me, what nationally recognized motorsport has an MS3 regularly competed in and won championships in since its debut. Since you say there is nothing to know about a tC.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
what's the time for tC on the 'ring? right?.......
youngbleeb 2 years ago
The ring? That's not a Motorsports event dude. That's stock cars. The tC in this vid is not stock, nor is our conversation about stock vehicles. Please tell me your not going to resort to the typical Ricer move of....."well stock vs stock it's faster". Well no duh, congrats it comes with a turbo. It's a trim level of a regular Mazda 3. tC has no additional trim levels, it's what you make out of it. That's the way it was marketed.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
Stock cars, yeah. So I'm a tuner and i'm going to start off with a Corrolla base over a an MS3? Haha, jokes.
youngbleeb 2 years ago
What Corolla base? tC Corolla base? BHAHAAA jokes. Facts: Comes from the AWD Toyota Avensis chassis. That "base" you speak of has gone on to 2 time NASA champs, 4 times Unlimited Class Time Attack, 2 time Modified Class Time attack champs. World record holder at various race tracks across the country. And an MS3 has done what again?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke a mazda3 has cost way to much gotten ugly as fuck on the new models and still has no track records lol
dcin1 2 years ago
Indeed. And yet we suck because it didn't come form the factory with a turbo and $26k dollar price tag. But we have track records and victories in Motorsports despite not having that stuff from the factory. The Fanboys never seem to ever make any logical sense. Especially when talking about a car that spends 90% of it's time picking up the kids and grocery stores.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke yep getting groceries 4drs and hath for the win their both good cars just these assholes dont want to think of the tC being a competitor stock for stock we all know that but once again u would have to compare mazda 3 non-speed and tC and we know how that goes
dcin1 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke hehe ill tell you shit b/c only thing eating up the track in any fwd class is a tC shit while we on that just tell them about dan gardner winning and tC winning in drift the chassis is versatile as fuck but i like these haters keep me motivated lol
dcin1 2 years ago
@jonathan732 nothing to know about, okay explain to me why this "teen car is faster than any mazda,si,srt4 that runs time attack in the same class as any tC unlimited fwd,limited fwd expalin to me how look up track records and then tell me why u think tC is weak car when its doing more around the tracks than all the cars u talk about in your reply
dcin1 2 years ago
there is a reason why the ms3 has been around the nurburgring in 8:39 which is the same time as an s2k and 1 second slower than an nsx and 3 seconds faster than an exige and the ms3 had an inexperienced driver. can you tell me the time around the nurburgring for the tc?
jonathan732 2 years ago 2
The Nurburg for the second damn time...Is not a Motorsports event. Congrats it went around a track all by its lonesome for a PR to get more sales. Is that really the only accomplishment you can talk about with the MS3? Cause you and the other dude said the same damn thing, and that's the only thing you have said. Weak sauce.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke yeah we mean records in motorsports and fwd class and still ms3 is not fastest fwd around the ring where as the tC has track records in its class around willow,california speedway,vir,and i think even road alanta where is the ms3,si,and srt4's in all this find me examples u cant lol so u talk about the ring lol
dcin1 2 years ago
and the speed3 is a real sports car?
slcslobalt 1 year ago
@slcslobalt ..... lol yes
19SpaghettiOs88 1 year ago
Custom turbo setup VS a stock setup.... thats really the only race going on here. Slap a K04 onto the tC and watch it struggle worse than the 2.3L DISI *shrug*
youngbleeb 2 years ago
@youngbleeb tC would laugh at a little K04 turbo. The tC's 2.4L wouldn't struggle worse just fyi. Its not setup with a restrictive fuel setup like the MS3 is. It won't blow up at 300whp like MS3s do either.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
The fuel system is fine on the MS3. Bear in mind, with Direct Injection, you dont change injectors to uprate flow, but you knew that. And what are you talking about 300whp blowing engines? Is that why there are a few 420+whp stock engines out there, or do you just hang around shitty tuners? The Mazda engine can at least make ridiculous amounts of midrange torque on a turbo that size. The 2AZ would barely start if it had a K04. Face facts, learn about turbo flow rates and what torque curve means
youngbleeb 2 years ago
@youngbleeb. Its not fine, it blows up when people try and turn up the boost. Barely start? The 2az would laugh at such a tiny miniscule turbo. That thing is smaller than a 16g that I use to run on my tC. Learn about turbo flow rates? Lol...dude my tC has been boosted for 3+ years and I have 50 some odd vids posted here of me beating various cars, including a heavily modded MS3.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
Thanks for confirming you know ZIP about tuning. Your friends cant tune for shit, they'll blow up a DI engine because theyre stupid. The people you get your stories from. What the fuck does an engine "laughing" at a turbo mean? Are you an idiot or just a moron? LOL Make sense, next time. You can't just anthropomorphize an engine and expect people to think you have a clue. Sure, a god damn CAMRY engine is superior to a DI torque beast with incredible potential, SURE. HA.., idiot in a tC.
youngbleeb 2 years ago
Don't know zip about tuning? Dude go freaking sign up on some forums. Every time I came upon an MS3 that tried to push the limits 9 out of 10 were blown up. It means that a K04 is to fucking small for a tC's motor dude. Torque? LOL....a tC on boost creates more torque than it does Hp 9 out of 10 times. If it makes 400whp, you can expect it to make 400wtq to go with it.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
"If it makes 400whp, you can expect it to make 400wtq to go with it." On a stock engine? You're a goofball. 2.3DISI is making that kinda torque (400) on the stock turbo, SON. I'm on the forums, there are a lot of morons out there, wont deny that. The 2.3DISI will make FAR MORE midrange tq, even on a K04, than any Camry engine could.. and you know what.. 400ft/lbs at 4400RPM CAN BEND RODS even though HP might still be low 300's. NO 2AZ will ever make that TQ @ that RPM, esp NOT stock....
youngbleeb 2 years ago
WTF are you even talking about. Are you following anything being written. We don't come with stock turbo's dude. So, it's whatever turbo the owner decides to put on it and it won't be some weak ass k04. Again, if the tC is making 400whp it will be making right at 400wtq too.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
"We don't come with stock turbo's dude. So, it's whatever turbo the owner decides to put on it and it won't be some weak ass k04."
I really don't get what you're trying to say. First, I asserted that obviously because of the stock K04, the MS3 is at disadavantage. Then you go on with "no, the difference is the engines. The Mazda GDI engine is less superior to a crappy 2AZ because some guys blew an MS3 engine on a forum" only to now come back with "weak ass K04" that's the prob... wtf
youngbleeb 2 years ago
No, you are trying to compare a Turbo MS3 to a stock NA tC. You throw a turbo on the tC then you compare. NA tC would be compared to a regular Mazda 3 not MS3. That car comes from the factory with turbo obviously. So, it has a predefined turbocharger. You bragged about "stock turbo". I was just saying that's not applicable to us, since we don't come with "stock turbos". It's not a bragging point. It's what the motor can do on boost. And on boost, before we blow up, is no less than MS3
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
And the K04, again you misinterpreted what I meant by "weak ass k04". It might not be "weak ass" for the MS3, don't know, I don't pay that much attention to the MS3 besides seeing all the blown up ones from when anyone tries to turn up the boost. They have to add so much additional stuff just to break 300whp. I was saying that the K04 would be "weak ass" on a 2az. That turbo is way to small for our motor.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
"I don't pay that much attention to the MS3"
That's right, you dont know what you're talking about. My ORIGINAL COMMENT stands, that the only race going on here, is between a small factory turbo and a larger TOTALLY CUSTOM AFTERMARKET TURBO SETUP. Get it through your thick skull plate, moron!! Gawd, what an idiot. There are boosted REGULAR MAZDA 3 examples, readily at hand that would slap your tC silly... and somehow the FORGED, DI, DISI 2.3 somehow has LESS potential than that? GTFOutta here!!
youngbleeb 2 years ago
I know more about the MS3 than you think you know about the tC, that's apparent. That's My ORIGINAL COMMENT and it stands. You come in here pumping your chest talking about torque this and torque that....and I send you the vids and then you digress about the torque comments. You haven't sent me anything to refute anything I've said about the MS3. I'm a moron now? So, we taking it down to that level now?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
Sure, you know so much you cant see the difference b/w a factory turbo and tune vs a custom setup in a lighter car. Like how do you NOT FIGURE? You just cant absorb the 1300hp L3-VDT case (thats the engine code, newb) , even at hand vids of 477whp stock internal MS3, when you said they blow at 300ish whp. Yup, it IS apparent, you don't know much but have the attitude of an expert. That, by definition makes you a moron. *shrug* Quit wasting my time with your 2JZ swapped tC examples.
youngbleeb 2 years ago
You only talk about this video, but you didn't say anything about mine. Wonder why is that...cause it doesn't fit your biased opinion. In my vid, I'm running a 16G turbo, street tuned, and walking all over my boys MODDED MS3. A 16G is NOT a big turbo by any means. So, explain, would like to hear this one. His wasn't a factory tune obviously either. You didn't show me a 477whp stock internal MS3 by the way. I did show you a 424whp stock internal tC though. It's apparent another ricer.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke haha i love watching that vid of you walking tha ms3 with the tiny 16g thats blown and not the boost u usually run, all it takes is a shitty turbonetics kit on 7psi to walk a ms3
dcin1 2 years ago
2jz swapped tC examples....BHAHAHAA!!!! One video of the 10 I sent, as only a reply to the stupid RWD Pro Drag MS3 you sent me that wasn't an MS3 anymore. GTFO...
There are 1000hp 2az's yeppie, a 1300hp L3-VDT...300hp more...you want a cookie or something?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
And Please show me some regular Mazda 3 examples that will slap me silly. Didn't realize we were racing with other peoples cars now too. Should I go get my boy's tC's to throw into the equation now? Ricer talk dude. Ricers race with other peoples cars. And where did I say an MS3 didn't have potential. My position was that a tC has a shit ton of potential, evident by the damn championship trophies it has in Motorsports. Still haven't answered my question though...What has an MS3 done?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
"regular Mazda 3 examples that will slap me silly."
Uhh I already did as a reply to your PM. I gave you a few examples. 569whp regular Mazda 3 ring a bell? Or is your memory just short and selective. I assure you that Creative's 'regular MZ3' would rape your tC till it pukes oil. Talkin about i didnt give you an example... you're just lying. Moron :)
youngbleeb 2 years ago
And I sent you a 662whp Scion tC with 600+wtq. That would slap me silly, you silly and that 569whp Mazda silly. Your point? Yet again, RICER shit dude. Racing with other peoples cars = Ricer Move. Yay for you. I'm done with this weak sauce replies from you. Go mod you own car, and come back and talk when it's fast in more than just a straight line. Straight line speed, I've been there and done that, I've moved on to Road Racing, Time Attack, and AutoX.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
dont gimme that about handling now lol. You're talking to somoene whos DAILY DRIVER is a 2500lb mid 12 sec N/A 2.5L V6 hatch. How do you THINK 2500lbs handles with oil filled tokicos dropped on eibachs with MX3 sways? :) And this is all old hardware, bud.
youngbleeb 2 years ago
@youngbleeb where is your vid of this
dcin1 2 years ago
@youngbleeb WTF are you talking about. Who said anything about your handling. I said I run on road courses, time attack and autox. Didn't say anything about your cars handling. And yet you still ricer talking. Just because you add a set of shocks and springs don't mean squat to me. Do you run it on a track? Let me guess, you track race too, yet just another thing you can't prove. I'm done with this conversation.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@youngbleeb ricer talk that would be like him saying where theirs a639whp tC on the forum that would beat that car its just back and forth both cars are equall and take well to boost
dcin1 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke that is ricer talk k that would be like me saying well let me get the new lf-a and smack every and anything mazda could hope to make, who says that i know lots of cars that can beat your the question is can your car probaly not since rhythnsmoke has vids and your page blank
dcin1 2 years ago
Still left out my video of my small aftermarket turbo setup vs a modded up MS3 and pulling all over him.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke u did more than pull id like to say take for a walk in the park
dcin1 2 years ago
All we need is a turbo kit, exhaust, fuel injectors and management, and it does 300+whp/300wtq around 9-10lbs of boost. You talk about torque this and torque that and saying the tC doesn't make right at the same Tq as Hp (putting aside the vids I sent you to prove it), why would you think that a motor with one more Liter of displacement than an MS3 motor has, couldn't make Tq like it does HP? Just because of DI fuel? Fueling doesn't create torque, so curious to know why you would think that.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
Takes about 15lbs of boost for a tC to be in the 400whp range. And yes they can do it on a stock motor. I've had this car since they came out, and I've raced it ever sense, and been boosted for 3+years on it. I think I know my own car noob. And it's not called a Camry engine, it's called a 2az. Would you call a 240sx a Truck? Cause the KA in them is a truck motor. Don't make them a truck no more than a tC's 2az makes it a Camry. It's not even the same internally as the Camry's. GTFO
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
And lol...at you bragging about there being 420whp stock motor MS3's. Not impressed dude. I can pull up a vid of a tC running the about the same amount on a stock motor also...yeah for you that you can run as much stock hp as a car that came from the factory without boost. Dude there are 400, 500, 600, 700, 800 and even 1000hp Scion tC's. Yay for your "few" with 420whp....lol. Idiot MS3 fanboy. Mad cause a tC with a little turbo and low boost will walk all over MS3's.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
He fail to understand that HP is a calculation of tq*RPM. A K04 can only maintain a certain CURVE of torque in it's efficiency range. Being fitted for QUICK SPOOLING for EVERYDAY DRIVING, it can really torque the engine up in the midrange, but choke up top, resulting in tq being much higher than HP... WAY more so than a port injection 2AZ. But, whatever, I've tuned many engines (and own an NA hatch) that would rip your scion into another dimension, so you can go get a clue on your OWN.
youngbleeb 2 years ago
LOL....Your imaginary NA hatch that would own your grandma's Buick maybe. Talk the talk, but you got to walk the walk kid. You don't got shit stop with the Rice talk.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke i know right hes suck a fanboy these vids are plenty on youtube lol a tC with a little bolt-on kit and a mear 7 to 9psi walking hard on these cars
dcin1 2 years ago
And you are just as I suspected. Click on your SN to go to your youtube page, and it has Nothing. Wish I had a dollar for every time someone was talking smack and then I click on their name and they have nothing even close to being associated with Automotive on their page. Do you even drive an MS3? Stock still I take it too..yes?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
I dont drive an MS3, I TUNE THEM. Your CAMRY engine isnt running anything near 450 or 550whp stock, and ESP. not matching torque!! What a tC riceboy, you still know jack-all about tuning, powerbands, fuelling ESP on GDI engines or you wouldnt use YOUTUBE as your case! thats laughable, you're laughable. Simply because you or your friends are 100% clueless abt GDI says nothing about the tech itself (or those that can actually TUNE) Just go ask your *mechanic* about your laughing engine, idiot!
youngbleeb 2 years ago
You tune them, yet have no proof of it. And dude there are vids of tC's on here making 420whp stock motor, AND matching torque. I know jack all about tuning....lol, I have a vid of me tuning and testing my own car, and yet I know nothing about tuning, and you don't have shit to back up anything you are saying. Go find me a stock motor MS3 making 450whp please. What does any of this have to do with the vid and how the MS3 lost to a tC on just 8lbs of boost?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke right just 8psi and once tC grabs 4th it walks 4cars easy lol and tac cost 17k new ms3 are like gti's overpriced i saw one at the mazda dealership near my house they wanted 26k brad new lol
dcin1 2 years ago
I'll start sending you vids and dyno sheets, but usually when I do that, people like you shut up after that. And I'm having a laugh at your rice boy comments right now.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
wow, you have so much to prove, yet I dont... hmm. I dont need to prove my work to you lmao, you can go right ahead and send me all your shit, I'll check it @ earliest convenience. So mr i tune my own car, tell us how GDI works, and why it's superior to port injection? Oh wait, it's not and every auto engineer agrees with that. Hmm. "Mazdaspeed 3 477 WHP dyno run HiBoost kit" Stock block.
youngbleeb 2 years ago
Prove....there is nothing to prove when it's all there to be found on the net. I just sent you a message with several vids. Including
662whp/600+wtq tC
424whp/374wtq stock motor tC
362whp/345wtq stock motor tC
Along with another vid of me racing my boy's modded MS3 that dynoed 280whp against my tC on just 9lbs of boost (16G turbo, so nothing big).
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
watch?v=Bbfr9h-5-Rc
Can your tC pull this hard over 120? Give it a shot. CAI only, fool. Looks like you only want to pay attn to the little kiddies on forums who had their mommy buy their speed3, wanna hack their shit, bypass sensors, not tune properly and blow their engine. Probably because you WANT to believe your tC is better, probably because you tune that way yourself, who knows or cares?
youngbleeb 2 years ago
sorry bro, i didnt realise your speedo didnt even go up to 155mph. Unfair request. Also, I'll give you cred for tuning after watching your videos (but zero cred for knowing about tuning GDI!) I take it your engine is on stock internals, RIGHT?
youngbleeb 2 years ago
Yup, stock internals, and Still pull on all those cars. And my Speedo is just a number. I top out at the 150-155mph range since I don't have a factory ECU controlling the car, nor is my rpm set to factory.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
Vid caused an error. Send the whole link through a message, and we can compare acceleration to my tC's acceleration on just 12lbs of boost.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
sorry, I'll include this one in public, for all to see
watch?v=wYgPnENK6G0
Yeah, you can do things like this with GDI technology. Wait, but I'm scared cuz some moron kid in a forum, totally new to turbos blew his engine. Right......
youngbleeb 2 years ago
Not an MS3 anymore as mentioned. And still not faster than even the Pro FWD Scion tC even with that MS3 being RWD.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
ps - link works perfectly, just place it after the /
youngbleeb 2 years ago
Also, I'd LOVE to see your dyno sheet! And compare the torque CURVE to a stock MS3. When you see WHERE the torque is on the graph, you'll understand what I mean by "torque beast". All it takes is a bigger turbo to push that torque to redline. *shrug* cheaper than full custom turbo kit AND the car already outperforms ALL toyota FWDs. So why would I start with a Corolla chassis, weak brakes/handling AND less power? Can you tell me where the benefit lies?
youngbleeb 2 years ago
again, sry I have some corrections to make. Dee Kargiannis & Ed Bregenholtz' 2.3L DISI's were 7 sec cars, not 6. Also, on a stock K04, torque PEAKS at 3100rpm, not 4400rpm. Now when kids crank up their boost, it only affects the lower end, so they can be pushing (without proper tune even) upwards of 350+ ft/lbs at 3200rpm!!! So much TQ that low would SHRED a 2AZ, even tho that MS3 might only make 280whp. That would register instantly if you actually built engines or had much tuning experience.
youngbleeb 2 years ago
To bad that's not reality. tC pulled on him or did you not watch my video and this one?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
I did dude, I'm not computer dumb. What's the problem with just sending the whole link through message?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@rhythmnsmoke lol why this guy so mad i mean halo has 4plus vids walking 3 diff ms3 on just 8psi lol you got a vid of a modded one and you walk him easy with blown turbo lol just crying if u ask me
dcin1 2 years ago
Bahaha...you right. I totally forgot that my turbo was blown during that video, that makes it even worse.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@youngbleeb lol they both have equal potential ill side more with tC since i have one and youll side more with ms3 since you tune them agree to disagree
dcin1 2 years ago
Personally, I don't see a tc competing with a MS3... Sure they might be able to stay close enough to get a good view of the bumper but no way is a tc going to pull ahead of a ms3 like that... I highly doubt this video was anymore than a couple people trying to make their scion look like more than eye candy...
aceblaster182 2 years ago
watch the other videos. Same car beating many different cars.
FSolaHalo 2 years ago
BHAahaa....you can't be serious right? What part of it's turboed did you miss?
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
@aceblaster182 omfg are fucking stupid the tC has stage 1 turbotoyotas thats a turbo kit u dumbass, tc's boosted will run ms3 all day dont beleive it look it up on youtube damn what a stupind post must be a mazda nutswinger
dcin1 2 years ago
Lol the other drivers and traffic signed vanilla wafers before this could be released? Lol.
Yukikmydog527 2 years ago 2
Mazda owns and like the other guy said the ms3 has pretty much car of the year since they came out. and the other guy thats bitching that says they suck your just mad that you spent the same money on your honda and got lesser of a car.
mazdafreakmx6 2 years ago 2
Ummm....it's a toyota HAHA. Also, just bc a mag calls it car of the year, that doesnt mean it is car of the year. That's just the editor's opinion. Besides, I dont know what the fuck your all bitching about anyways. Both cars are great and a blast to mod/drive. My buddy has an ms3 and we race all the time and we dont bitch like fanboys about who wins or loses.
ProTuner06 2 years ago
@ProTuner06 mazda fanboys FTL!!! both great cars when boosted but you want big power yota's 2.4l will out do that weakass 2.3 anyday
dcin1 2 years ago
did i hear a "3rd gear 40mph"...lame if the ms3 did that should have went 2nd gear 40....ne ways nice ride...would like to race that TC with my fully bolted MS3
artofdrowning71 2 years ago
i know the scion can go 60 in 2nd gear no problem...
FitaBros 2 years ago
Problem is....in 2nd @ 40mph, the tC would burn the tires up. So, 3rd gear and brake boosting it optimal as you don't spin the tires. That is if you are running 12lbs or less boost. At 12lbs you burn them up in 3rd gear.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago 2
@rhythmnsmoke hehe burn them in 3rd ive seen you burn in 3rd time for more vids lol
dcin1 2 years ago
@dcin1 3rd gear = death for most...lol. Bout to load a vid soon. Track vid, non-boosted, but good still.
rhythmnsmoke 2 years ago
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mazda suck i mean they r fugly
europhiCc 2 years ago
lmao car driver, sports compact, and any other serious car mag names the ms3 car of the year over the r32, gti, wrx, lancer, mini and civic si.
akala123 2 years ago
@akala123 lancer gt-s did get b4 tC nor did si and those cars cost way more to si=23k ms3=23k r32=26k gti=26k wrx=23k tC just a mear 17.5k car
dcin1 2 years ago
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MAZDAS SUCK lol no really they are horrible do research they suck man
real bad....... at least by a honda or toyota
europhiCc 2 years ago
K I was NOT expecting the freakin Scion to win LOL. Looks like I better get modding... I wouldn't want to succumb to the same fate ;) Good runs, be careful on the street.
quietviewer 2 years ago
haha MS3 horn is so shitty
02stang951 2 years ago
driver of the mazda cannot drive
clos561 3 years ago
Travis Pastrada could have been driving it, and he still would have lost.
rhythmnsmoke 3 years ago
who the hell puts a turbo on a TC but keeps the stock exhaust.
that TC only having a turbo and everything else being stock is bullshit
sycomantz 3 years ago
a sleeper
FSolaHalo 3 years ago
sleeper my ass. no one in their right mind id going to add a turbo to a car then leave the cars original exhaust
sycomantz 3 years ago
your right. they mustve put the stock exhaust on just for this video. everybody has aftermarkey exhaust right?
FSolaHalo 3 years ago
this isnt a question of aftermarket exhaust or not.
this is a question of sense, why would someone leave the n/a stock exhaust on a car they just now took the time to add a turbo to?
i call bullshit that there is still the stock exhaust on this TC.
sycomantz 3 years ago
thats already been anwsered, stock exhaust=sleeperness.
check out olaHalo on ScionLife
FSolaHalo 3 years ago
and im calling bullshit. people lie. no one is going to boost a car and keep the n/a stock exhaust it came with.
the car is already a sleeper, its a TC with a turbo.
with the car having turbo exhaust, the last thing people will think is "oh, this TC is a turbo" thats ridiculous man
I CALL BULSHIT.
just like i didnt know toyota offered a "stage 1" package that was a turbo for the TC.
i thought it was a supercharger.
sycomantz 3 years ago
The turbo on this car is by a company named "TurboToyota", not Toyota the car company.
rhythmnsmoke 3 years ago
so im calling bullshit. i have a 09 MS3 and tc with a turbo only boosting 8lbs will not beat a stock MS3.
leave the drugs alone
sycomantz 3 years ago
check my other videos please. the turbo kit isnt from toyota. its from a american company named TurboToyotas. look it up. drugs are cool.
its cheaper to just take the exhaust off when i need the power, and its more power than having piping. the best exhaust is no exhaust. but as a daily driver, it usually has the stock exhaust on there, like in this video. in my other video, you can see shots of the tC with the stock exhaust beating even faster MS3's than the one in this video.
go watch.
FSolaHalo 3 years ago
what size turbo are you running and do you have the 3 liter motor
sycomantz 3 years ago
ok, i see now. i do believe it to be faster than a stock MS3. but not pull on a stock ms3 like you did in this vid.
and this is total apples to oranges though. strap a t3/t4 turbo, upgrade fuel management, put an aftermarket dp on, give the MS3 a FMIC and chuck the TMIC and a tune.
the MS3 will burn the TC. but nice none the less
what hp/tq are you putting down?
im about to get a flash, that plus my intake, upgraded bov, and FMIC will put down 295 plus whp and over 320wtq
sycomantz 3 years ago
So, what your suggesting is to pay more money for a car that's already boosted from the factory, add a crap load more mods to it, just to be able to beat a barely boosted tC?
rhythmnsmoke 3 years ago
i have already realized why the Turbo TC is faster than a stock MS3. for one, the TC has a Bigger turbo than our MS3's. we are running KO4's which means the turbo loses efficiency right after 5500k rpms. plus the throttle plate is controlled by computer. even at WOT, it will began to close.
we are running a smaller TMIC and you are running a FMIC. your fuel system is better(upgraded)
so its Apples to oranges. put those same mods on the MS3 and see what happens to your Turbo TC then
sycomantz 3 years ago
My boy in his tC beat a stock MS3 at the 1/8th mile strip. His tC has no upgraded fuel system (stock injectors), 6 PSI of boost, and he was not running a big turbo either. Evo III 16G, same turbo that I was running during my video race with my boy Charles modded MS3. I have injectors though, and was running 8-9 PSI in that vid. The MS3 (minus the fmic) in my vid has all the same upgrades fyi...and still lost by 2 1/2 to 3 cars.
rhythmnsmoke 3 years ago
and thats with oem dp/exhaust. as well as everything else stock
sycomantz 3 years ago
yeah with the same mods that i have, an MS3 would be faster. but its all about money. the money ive spent on the mods and turbo, plus the cost of the car is cheaper than the MS3 stock.
i have never dynoed the car and it is street tuned. however cars with similar setups and psi usually put out 300hp and torque. and the tC's are 2.4 liters. biggest advantage of the MS3 is the LSD. i still have an Open Diff.
FSolaHalo 3 years ago
not bad. yeah, while dont you get it welded for a makeshift LSD?
the the sucky part about our K04 turbos and the way they lose efficiency up too along with the stock tune.
our cars turbo spool really falls off after 5500k also our throttle plate is controlled electronically.
so thats two things the flash will help out big time. open throttle at WOT. and turbo turbo almost to redline
sycomantz 3 years ago
You right, a tC with only 8lbs will not beat a stock MS3.....it will stomp it. A tC on 6lbs will just beat a stock MS3. Swing over to my youtube page for another tC on 9lbs putting a hurting on a modified MS3. Have fun.
rhythmnsmoke 3 years ago
any which TC am i suppsoed to be looking at on your page. the stage 0 running 14.0 and 13.9?
we run 13.8 stock
sycomantz 3 years ago
The Stage 0 is the one only on 6 PSI, no fuel upgrades, running a Small Evo III 16G. That one has beaten a stock MS3. The video on my profile with the MS3 in it, is that of me racing and my boy. Called "Rhythmnsmoke vs Charles MS3".
rhythmnsmoke 3 years ago
and anything can be modded to be fast. i can get a civic hatch to beat a Viper.
big deal.
from factory i bought a 13.8 stock car that can take turns like a RWD and close to a AWD.
have no probs beating 350z, STI's and EXO's stock(on a roll)
MS3 has nice interior and holds its value. cant say the same for the TC
sycomantz 3 years ago
Yay for the MS3 interior, I'm sure it comes in real handy when winning races. My interior is not stock, so I not bothered by stock tC interiors. Besides, no stock or slightly modded MS3 will be close enough to even see what my interior looks like. The rear end looks good though....LOL. J/k with you dude, don't take offense to any of that, I'm bored.
rhythmnsmoke 3 years ago
not sure about you. maybe you bought your n/a tc to upgrade and win races.
i bought my MS3 to drive. its fast, handles, and is fun right out of the box while the TC has to play catch up in str8line performace which is the only area it can catch up.
everything else it cant compare.
if i want to race ill by a z06 or build something
sycomantz 3 years ago
Naw, never bought it to race originally. It was a great price for the amount of car you got. Very peppy around town with the low gear ratio and tq. It wasn't until I took a ride a boosted one with 300whp/300tq that I got bitten by the race bug. Now, it's all about racing it. Still daily driven as well. You bought something that was already modded basically, since it's a trim level of a lesser car. tC has one trim level only, so the racer version of it is what you make out yourself.
rhythmnsmoke 3 years ago
The interior is about the only thing left on the car that would remain nice. Soon as you try to start pushing the e