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  • There's no evidence whatsoever that this was "God". It was what you could call luck, but everything happens for a reason however it does not have to be a complex reason on what should happen, rather what happens because of chemical reactions, forces like gravity and many other things.

    For example, what numbers you roll on a dice depend on the starting position on the dice, how you released them, how far they fell to hit the surface and things like that. It's not just random or "because of god".

  • @rustile306

    Neither is there evidence that this was not God. Neither are things such as chemical reactions, forces like gravity, et al, simple. They are complex. And, if it is, "not just random", as you say, then it is by default, calculated. The 'real' question such 'coincidences' inspire should be, what or 'Who' is the intellect necessary for such calculations? If said intellect is renamed 'chance', 'luck', then we've only succumbed to apathy of something very cool.

  • @sermonwriter So you're saying because there is no absolute proof against something, it's likely true?

    Well, I have a rock in my hand that keeps the universe from collapsing. Has the universe collapsed? No. Therefore, my rock must be magical.

    There's no 'intellect' behind these things, they happen because of physics of which origin we will probably never know. Why these people were not killed has nothing to do with if they deserved it because of what they've done in their life.

  • @rustile306

    Your rock is something that is 'part' of the universe, so the assertion you make of your rock can be proven false. I make no claim that 'God' is part of the universe, nor that I can prove He exists, only that nothing you've stated proves He does not. You are the one who said..."it's not just random". If you know of a third option, other than unordered chance and calculated order, then I'd like to know what it is.

  • @sermonwriter Did you not understand what I meant or did not want to understand what I meant? The rock thing was just an example, the fact it's part of the universe is irrelevant. I was trying to show how you can't say something is true because it's possible that it's true.

    Stories of gods and religions are based around things we don't know about for a reason. This way, it can be argued that there's 'not enough proof against it' when it's said that there's not enough proof for it.

  • @sermonwriter Why things happen are because of laws of the universe that exist and do not change. No being, force, or god interferes with anything. If a deity exists or has existed, I'm quite certain humans do not know about it and likely never will.

    Perhaps there was a deity (not the one described in the Christian bible, or in any religious writing for the matter) that 'designed' the universe when it was created, I don't see how it would be possible to know.

  • @sermonwriter There's no interacting still being done between the deity and this world, there wouldn't have to be. Everything was meant to go a certain way, there's an illusion of free will but in reality you do what you do because of what you're made of and your experiences.

  • @rustile306

    Is it your human nature that makes you responsible for your choices, or is it your person? Realizing the answer should prove that free will is genuine.

  • @sermonwriter You feel free will, but what you think is all because of things that make you up.

    Also I'd like to add, what I like to think luck is, is not something unlikely happening but rather something that seemed very unlikely to happen happening, whatever was going to happen was going to happen no matter what.

  • @rustile306

    So, I understand that you are a determinist and this historical debate won't get solved on a youtube page, but I'm not sure you've really thought about the last question I asked you. It is true that our shared human nature 'determines' the choices 'available' to us, but the nature we share as humans does not explain why you choose A in an exact circumstance where I choose B. The only variable, (wild card, "free agent"), is "person", not "nature".

  • @sermonwriter great compilation video, thanks!

  • the bank robbery scene was fake , I've seen it a thousand times in other videos, it was staged, look closely where the cop car comes from before they actually arrive to the bank, it was parked in the background waiting for the 'robbers' to enter the car... lol

  • Which God are talking about here?

  • Based on what known facts? There aren't any. Wishful thinking at best. I make my conclusion based on the universe being so incredibly massive and we just barely starting to really study and learn about it. No one has the answers right now but at the rate we are advancing with technology, we learn so much everyday. Someone is going to figure it out. IMHO, the idea of a god sounds more impossible or illogical than natural occurrences.

  • The same could be said about you. But like you, no judgements from me. Good day

  • @P0TAGEE

    Actually, my position is tenable in that it provides a logical conclusion based on the known facts. This is different than your position, because your position refuses to make the logical conclusion based on? Nothing.

  • @sermonwriter whats the song :)

  • @delaney4708

    I don't know. This isn't my own compilation, I found it floating around on facebook last year. I tried to find out who put it together, but no such 'luck'...

  • False hope? Deluded? No offense pal but maybe you should be looking in the mirror. So there's no confusion, I am 100% atheist. Sorry if some of my statements seemed otherwise. I do agree that something cannot come from nothing but I think you misunderstood the meaning behind it. "god" cannot come from nothing either. Or any other "intelligent being" you claim the universe cannot come from nothing but contradict yourself when u say a god created it but don't explain who created god.

  • @P0TAGEE

    Suit yourself. imho, it is not your intellect stopping you or others with such reasoning, it is simply pride. Not a judgment on you...cause I don't know you, but a bewilderment about your untenable position.

  • @P0TAGEE

    you know why no one can explain GOD? because if someone can figure out GOD then at first place he shouldn't be GOD . get it???. But then he bows himself and sent his son Jesus to save us. About the universe, aren't you wondering that universe is so so so big and earth is so little? You know why? , because God knows that someday (right this generation) "Human's PRIDE" will be bigger than Univ, I hope that someday you will see the truth and may God help you to open your eyes to the truth

  • I'm NOT making a claim*

  • I'm making a claim, but only concluding, "No evidence has been presented to prove the existence of a God; therefore, I do not believe there is a God. If at any time, a God suddenly appears, or we receive new real evidence, I will change my opinion." No evidence, no reason to believe.

  • @P0TAGEE

    If you conclude that there is no God, you have agreed with the atheist, and yet you say you agree that it is impossible for something to come out of nothing. You sound like someone who wants it both ways, but of course that is an impossible position to hold because it trys to hold two contradictory ideas as being equally true. It is a delusion at best.

  • You are left with science and math as someone stated earlier. We just haven't figured out the equations yet. But we will. To say Some intelligent being created something because we can't figure it out or understand it yet is (my humble opinion) Lazy and an easy way out of finding factual answers with "proof" to back it up.

  • @P0TAGEE

    How can I be left with science and math when they are both 'limited' to time and space? Time and space both 'started' somewhere at sometime. What 'started' them? Math and science does not hold the answer to that question because they are part of the effect, not the cause. It is a false hope to wait indefinitely for 'someone' more advanced to figure out what is impossible to figure out with natural and created 'laws', such as math and science.

  • I don't know about All atheist but for me, I don't require proof. I chalk it up to something that none of us can understand yet. I do agree with you though about something cannot come from nothing but I that doesn't mean some deity had to have created it. If that were the case, who created that Deity? And who created That creator? Something indeed cannot come from nothing (as we both agree on) so we both have no Real answers here. I have no proof that there is no God,& u hav no proof otherwise

  • @P0TAGEE

    As I stated, Theists don't need proof. The very fact that an atheist does need proof, is the 'proof'. What will you claim is the 'cause' if it is not a deity? To say it is something within the "effect" is to say along with the atheist, 'there is no cause', because the cause and the effect cannot possibly be the same thing. It's really pretty simple. If you try to say that the cause is something other than an intelligent being, what are you left with?

  • @P0TAGEE

    And don't forget, something that exists outside of time and space (creation), cannot be defined with terms limited by time and space, like "beginning". So, we don't even need to entertain such a thought.

  • You say something can't come from nothing but fail to explain where god came from. See where I'm going with this? Both atheist and Religious people have NO proof to back up their claims. We are ALL atheist. Some just believe in one less deity than you.

  • @P0TAGEE

    You miss the point Potagee. Theists don't need "proof". It is the A-theist that needs proof to explain how something comes from nothing. Theists don't need proof to say what everybody already knows, which is, "something" has never come from "nothing". Such a thing has never been demonstrated by science, and yet this is what atheists claim. Theists make no such claim.

  • what a bullshit video. It's full of coincidences. Say every one in a million accidents, the person doesn't get crushed by the car, or by the bike. There are 6 billion people in the world, making these 'miracles' happen quite often indeed.

    Ridiculous.

  • @johnsmith893

    Luck, chance, accidents...all have unkown causes. Does it satisfy you to not know, or to not ask? If so, then you live as if the cause means absolutely nothing to you even though your very existence is from that very same cause. It's like you don't care who you are or who anybody else you know is. Kind'a shallow. Kind'a like how animals think...I guess.

  • @sermonwriter how does chance not have a cause? It is mathematical - statistically proven.

    You took what I said and turned it into something completely different, please don't do that, it's rude and it makes you look stupid.

    It may surprise you, but I AM an animal. It's called evolution, and that's been proven too. Sort yourself out man, and stop spouting shit.

  • @johnsmith893

    Oh really? So math was the cause of your existence? Can you construct a mathematical equation to guarantee a repeated outcome of all the scenarios that occur in this video? How'bout one that produces a human being...oh wait, that's too hard, how'bout a leaf? I'd like to see that...k.

  • @sermonwriter No I cannot construct a mathematical equation, but nor can you prove there is a God. Unlike certain other things, which have been proved; big bang, evolution, all of which are based on mathematical theories. I am sure, when we become more intelligent, we will be able to produce humans, and this will be, ultimately, because of maths.

    Of course there is an equation explaining these situations, we just haven't calculated it.

  • @johnsmith893

    Of course, that's why we know God is a mathematician. But He is much more than that and that is why your personal philosophy falls short. There will never be, nor has there ever been, a mathematical equation that can formulate how something comes from nothing. That very concept is foreign to mathematics because mathematics is the product of that unknown entity that exists outside of the realm of time and space. Math needs both to formulate anything. God needs neither.

  • @sermonwriter Everything you say you speak as if it is fact, but it is not. They are merely statements, with no substantiating evidence to back them up. At least I have science, maths and something called common sense on my side.

    Until you can prove there is a God, there is no God.

  • @johnsmith893

    Everything I've said concerning time, space and mathematics is a fact, and I never said I can 'prove' there is a God because the burden of proof is not on me, it's on you. We both know that something never comes from nothing. You cannot demonstrate that math can produce anything at all that does not already exist. Again, the burden of proof is on you. You're philosophy is contrary to everything that is known about the universe, let alone common sense.

  • @sermonwriter How is the burden of proof on me? It's most definitely on you. You're trying to justify complete coincidences as proof that a God exists. It's nonsensical. I really wouldn't care if the description was a MAYBE, and you made that clear, but you speak as if they are fact! It's ridiculous.

  • @johnsmith893

    I think we're trying to talk about 2 different things. You have the burden of proof because you insist that something can come from nothing. This is commonly known as...impossible. Your entire personal philosophy insists that it IS somehow possible, and yet you provide no 'reason' for your belief, let alone any proof. I don't have to prove to anyone that I can't fly, but if you tell me you can, then prove it.

  • @sermonwriter You said it yourself "I don't have to prove to anyone that I can't fly, but if you tell me you can, then prove it."

    I am the one who doesn't have to prove anything. The whole IDEA of a 'GOD' is just that, an IDEA, we base information on FACT, not theory or belief, and for that reason you are the one responsible for trying to tell me how there is a God. So far all you have done is question the origin of various items. That is not proof.

  • @johnsmith893

    Look, it's pretty simple. I say, "something cannot come from nothing", you say, "yes it can". Whose statement requires proof, mine or yours?

  • good videos whats with the redard music?

  • Awesome video so cool crazy they all got gods grace.

  • i totaly agree with the people who think this is GOD and not luck. i am a christian and believe everthing happens for a reason.so no that was not luck it was Gods grace. or he was just teaching those people a lesson. by the way i loved the video

  • best video ever!!!! seriously i show it to all my friends!!

  • Religion is just a way of giving people hope. The stories behind religion are probably just some freak accidents or pure luck that over the years have been misinterpreted and exagerated. Similar to "Chinese Whispers" I guess. Some coud even be stories told by people who had to many shrooms and were hollucinating. Most of these religous stories originated back when science was still in its youth, maybe even non-existent. When you dont understand how something works, you could think its magic.

  • Lols, off topic from your discussion, but what is the song called?

  • lol the bank robbery thing was funny. But yeah this is all luck, just like natural disasters are bad luck. You'd think if god was real he'd prove it instead of sitting up there doing nothing.

  • so, and this is a SERIOUS question. I only ask serious questions. but you're telling me that when im looking for rare spawns on WoW to drop something cool..and for a month they never drop...then next month they drop 6-in-a-row...that's God's doing? i disagree

  • Well I don't know what you're talking about, but whatever it is, I can confidently say yes, that's God's doing.

  • okay, ty then. That's all I was wondering. I guess I can see it that way

  • So did God help those people rob the bank?

  • Of course He did. You saw it yourself. His motive we will probably never know, nor is it our perogative to know. "His ways are beyond our ways". That's my favorite part of this clip by the way. :>)

  • Ya, but it's a COMMANDMENT! I'm not saying God has to follow his own laws... but doesn't it seem like he would STOP a bank robbery instead of aiding it? This is DEFINITELY luck :P

  • God's "laws" are for us, not for Him. God's laws for us do not constrain God like they do us. Just look at God hardening the heart of Pharoah in Exodus. God helped Pharoah disobey God. He has His reasons. Check out Romans 9 too.

  • @sermonwriter oh shut up, religion isnt real, ur just brainwashed! there old storys made up 4 the people who couldnt understand why things r the way they r..its no different from the romens worshiping the sun as a god, but we know thars bullshit. religion is a load of bull, it can tech some good principles, but it is also the reason 4 most violence in the world

  • @sermonwriter Im pretty sure that bank robbing was from a movie....

  • God also lets people get destroyed by people like Hitler. In the eyes of God, we have all sinned, and turned away from him. If the church was to end today because of man, God would destroy this world right away, and cast unbelievers into hell. This is the reality of life.

  • Lady Luck is an occult term for Diana, Tara and other female goddess who are really part of Satan's demons.

    Do your research and find the truth.

    There is no such thing as LUCK. I am a Christian and I know that there is a reason for everything even if I don't know God does and I will find out when I get to Heaven.

  • Incredible!

    I have been in many of those kind of situations,and I believe it has been divine intervention!

  • wtf at 0:24 what about the driver?

  • I think that was the driver. That looks like a country where the driver is on the right side. My guess.

  • Good point! Especially since I myself am a Brit and forgot that point.

  • yes they are luck lol. i am a christian i believe in God but don't try to relate/fit everything into christianity/God etc. some might be God but i'm really tired of people trying to relate every single thing to religion. sometimes you gotta be more realistic

  • "Every single thing" is ordained by God...not by religion. That eliminates luck all together.

  • Right on! Beautiful video!!!!!!

  • no kidding...

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