Free Will

[Dem212]

Well this argument fails for a lot of reasons. We will always have a moment of uncertainty regarding the change of matter in the future, even if it is all determined directly by a previous state. Because guess what, you don't know the future, and probably never will, and thus incapable of not having free-will. Come back when you make a "time machine". Either way it wouldn't suggest a God character from any mythology, let alone the Christian one.

[rowina83]

Great video...I am an RE teacher and use this is my class.

[loturos]

you dont need to question a god to show that free will doesnt exist. you just have to ask, by what mechanism does a person make a decision, and if that mechanism is in any way faulty, can the person be held responsible? i say brain chemistry makes our decisions based on our environment, because you can only do what the mind dictates. nothing more, nothing less. so what if the mind is imperfect from the start? i didnt create it, i can only change it if my mind allows, thus its not my fault.

[Manuverse]

Free will in the eyes of Christians is not real free will. If a god is omnipotent and all knowing he knows what choices we are going to make before we are even born. Therefore they really aren't choices as they are predetermined. Either the Christian god is all knowing and we do not have free will or he is not all knowing and we do have free will. logical it can't work any other way. Cute video though.

[nevadie133]

You don't make any sense. Think of an extremely smart psychologist watching a child in a room, through one-way glass. If the psychologist knows what the child will do next, is he effecting the child's decision? He can know because he watched the way the child was raised, and with the given circumstances he knows what the child wants. So why can't there be both? Define free will!

Simply knowing what will happen isn't the same as making it happen.

[Manuverse]

No no no. You are wrong. If God knows what we will do before we do it we really don't have the ability to change such an action. If you think logically does that not make sense? In your example the Psychologist does not know what the child will do until he does it. No matter he is, he is not all knowing. The Christians idea of God knows what we will do before we are even born, which would make our actions pre-fabricated! So no Free Will. Its really not that hard to understand.

[lazyshinobii]

just cause one knows your future dosent mean one will interfere with it although they can...

[Manuverse]

No! You are not understanding what I am saying., If God already knows our actions that means they have already been pre-fabricated, so regardless of whether or not he interferes or not we still don't have any choice but to make the decision he knows we will make. How is that free will?

[nevadie133]

"If God already knows our actions that means they have already been pre-fabricated..."

No, not really. To prefabricate is to manufacture in advance. Knowledge of something is different from planning something, or making something.

[quebec10000]

lazyshinobii; Your words :Just because one (God) knows your future.......I think if he know the future is because he has already interfered with it in the pass. no freewill.

Thank you Yvan

[quebec10000]

Nevedi133 Simply knowing what will happen is not the same as making it happen...... is nonsense because if you knew a robbery was going to happen and you ignore it you are making it happen (Accomplice) to it. Thank you Yvan

[nevadie133]

I disagree. I don't think the accomplice did it. I think they should've intervened, but God isn't a player in this huge game of life. He's more of a refferee. I know the dominoes will all fall, I didn't make it happen. It's very similar you see; People can be predicted to do certain things. But the predicter did NOT make them do a thing.

[quebec10000]

nevadie133; God claim to know the pass present and future,it is already set for eternity,soExample God knows you are going to eat a sandwich tomorrow can you use your freewill to eat something else when tomrrow comes?(Remember he knows what you will do)

Answer; If you say yes you can then god is not allknowing you could surprise him.

If you say no Then where is your freewill? Thank you Yvan

[nevadie133]

How does his knowledge of what we're going to do mean we don't choose it? You're not making sense. If a friend tells me he's going to watercountry tomorrow, I know he's going. He still decides it obviously. It's like this, only God's never wrong.

[quebec10000]

nevadie133; Your words..God is not a player in this he is more of a refferee... howerver a refferee does not know ahead of time the moves to be made.Your analogy has ridden the Titanic (lol)

Thank;s Yvan

[nevadie133]

My analogy was to illustrate that God doesn't play a part in our failures. I was not saying the refferee's knowledge is similar to God's in any way.

[nevadie133]

If I were to yell at a crowd of people, "DO WHATEVER YOU WERE ABOUT TO DO!!" Did I just take away their free will? Am I now responsible for whatever they do next?

[jdemaria43]

Well if you think about it, your not taking away their free will at all. The persons you yell to have the choice to do something completely different than what they were about to do.

[azsuperman01]

This would be a perfect analogy if after giving the robot freewill, she held up a blow torch and threatened to melt the robot alive if he didn't "choose" to love her.

[a2daredevil00]

lol... Exactly, azsuperman01. There isn't really Free Will with omniscient beings and the "threat/promise" of destruction if you don't "love them back".

[nevadie133]

Oh please, God isn't responsible for hell. Hell is just an illustration of the pain brought from separation from God. In life, our minds can stay safe from that because we're in the physical form. If you don't go to heaven you're in an abyss of regret and emptyness. There's no one else you can love in the supernatural realm. There's no good 'B' choice. You still have the option not to choose though.

[sgtsnakeeyes11]

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[quebec10000]

nevadie133. :God is not responsible for hell.... According to christianity hell is a real physical place,not a illustration,Hell did not create itself God must be held responsible for what he has done (Created) and will do because he claim foreknowledge. Thank you; Yvan

[nevadie133]

He's created a resting place for the souls that no longer have a physical relm to dwell in. thus when we die with sins still upon us, we can't go to heaven, otherwise it'd be corrupted. so we go to hell. doesn't it make sense that if all the sinners go to one place, it'll suck?

[nevadie133]

Not really, a better analogy would be if the robot slipped off of a cliff, then was hanging on the ledge. The girl holds out her hand and says,"trust me." If the robot does not, it will fall. Not the girl's fault at all.

[godswordsheal]

That was quite interesting. Good job. Although I don't really see how that's a response...

[DeanComedian]

Great job!  I thoroughly enjoyed it.