@mauroprovatos Flawed because you assume workers are exploited when workers really have the choice in capitalism to find better opportunities. The hallmark of capitalism is that what you call submission is actually choice. You aren't forced to do anything because all transactions (even labor for capital) are voluntary and mutually beneficial. I got to :45 and realized that your video is probably great at talking about communism, but awful at describing capitalism. Done here. Disliked.
@mauroprovatos I know what your saying dude but to give government the power to take control of the economy will destroy it because of this which parts of the economy are not needed and the investor does do work in capitalism the workers don't buy what the products are made of and the investor has to use good management otherwise is destroyed by the free market. also america is putting these ideas into action creating corruption and waste.
@mauroprovatos its not fair I agree but it is also the way to make the most goods and provide the most freedoms. thats the biggest problem with government it cannot compete look at solyndra or how there where bread lines in Russia during there stint in communism. sorry bro you need to use the facts and there is class warfare look at marks the he another problem to the same solution which is freedom without governments.
@mauroprovatos don't you see while he does remove one kind of ruling class he only does so by replacing it and destroying any good done by the previous unjustfulness. some animals are freer than others.
Capitalism is for the worker. The harder you work the better your life becomes. simply put. only one way to deal with a commy. cut their fucking throats
@mauroprovatos Are you serious? He made a valid point and that's all you have to say? Really makes me want to be a communist that can't even support his views. Also, America is not Capitalist...
@kenndogg51 capitalism is for the work? you stupid as fuck, capitalism is for the rich, there are people who work all their lives and cant afford nothing, die in debt, the top elites own more than 40% of the worlds money. and im just talking about elites! not about sports people,traders,bankers etc...
they just think of themselfs. the swistem is so good and free that i can not walk home without seeing gays acting like freaks, womans 80% today are sluts, people worship money. my parents fought
@kenndogg51 for a moral society, today i seen satanists, witches, black magic,sluts,faggots, ignorant people all over the place worshiping celebrities,magazines,dont caring with their neighboors,animals,planet etc for who complain about communism millions of deaths i would say i would kill a few more million useless and evil humans for sure. Communism for me and yes USA is capitalist research
The author of this video has no understanding of economics. He needs to read Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises to understand Econ 101.
In a nutshell, Communism is a failed economic system leading to mass poverty. Sure, no system is perfect, however individual liberty, freedom of association and freedom to contract, leads to far more wealth for everyone (including the poor) than any communism regime could ever product.
The Bolshevik Revolution was financed by Capitalists from wall street. This is a known fact! These ultra rich ruling elites propagated Communism as a divide and conquer method for the weak minded masses of humanity with disastrous results to millions of men,women and children as they were SHOT and dropped into their graves! In America you see nested layers of regulation placed on businesses to the point where they cannot operate.Elitist capitalism and communism are two arms of the same monster!
The employer ,being an employer, is unfair by default, because he/she claims the surplus value from the labor of his/her employee(s).
You can't stand in the middle, in the end you'll have to side with one or the other.And historically we both know very well which side national "socialism" chose, countless times.
There is 2 cents difference between National Socialism and Communism. They both end up as dictatorships, ultimately enslave the population and murder the people they consider undesirable. The only government that has proven to work is a constitutional republic that has a bill of individual rights. The ole saying “Give me Liberty or give me death” is one that rings true; I would rather be dead that have to endure as a slave! That’s not life at all....
So where does this put governments role. What limits them from being what our government is today? How does it work? I agree that capitalism is pure evil greed and poverty but I am so sick of government sticking its nose in my face that I want to blow it the fuck off. So that being said, would they stay the hell away from me and let me smoke my weed???
I TOTTALY AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE BEFOR I KNEW I WAS A COMMUNIST MY WORLD HISTORY TEACHER WOULD ALWAYS SAY COMMUNISM IS BAD N WEN I ASKED HER WHAT R DA GOOD THINGS OF COMMUNISM SHE REPLYED ANGRY N SAID DERS NOTHING GOOD...I DINT BELIEVE HE SO I DID RESEARCH BY MY SELF N I SAW THE TRUTH..IN SCHOOL THEY ONLY TELL YOU THE BAD THINGS ABOUT DER ENEMIES N MAKE DEM SELF LOOK LIKE HEROS..WE R BEEN BRAINWASH BY A CAPITALIST GOVERMNET THAT KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY DICTATOR
Please re-define your "choices" and freedom under capitalism? I don't have any kind of freedom, PERFECTLY defined and protected under the big Capital. American Constitution and Bill of Rights were made by upper class, lower classes never had any interact with them. Capitalism fails miserably to protect any rights other than the capitalists rights. How old are you?
The Lord JESUS is king of this universe and all creation one day every knee and nation will bow down before CHRIST. before this will happen JESUS the lord told us that satan will decieve this world through the anti christ a false religious man who will make a one world order. The pope is the anti christ who controls the usa the freemasons the illumanati and jesuits they are all satan worshippers conspiring against God . they want to unite the world under the pope and satan but they will fail
REAL communism is something we all are not worth cause it is humans nature to first think about yourself and then think about others. face it REAL communism is too good for us.
@mauroprovatos i'm not anti comunist in fact comunism is good however if you tried to make a honset comunist system..... you'd find 90% of the people cheating you, but on the other side the other 10% are worth it if you get rid of the fakers
>.> from what ive read around so far... wouldn't it be best for the government to be communist and have people work for themselves while they go capitalize on foreign nations?
@mauroprovatos sry had this messed up thought on what communism was. Basically the idea was to "share to wealth" on the interior of a said country while that same country would capitalize on other country's work materials, etc. In a way kind of like what Germany did in ww2 but instead of killing the jews we make them miners cause you know... jew gold...
I find it hard to believe that people still don't understand how bad the world would be without capitalism, and the lack of understanding what capitalism is. The root of capitalism is CAPITAL. Capital is surplus money people have to INVEST in their own or someone elses business to expand and grow our economy. Capitalism = freedom, growth, funding for research, new technologies, medical research & new cures, scientific breakthroughs, JOBS and so much more. Communism = poverty and despair.
@mauroprovatos ALL money and wealth is created in the PRIVATE sector. All of it. Every single thin dime of the government confiscates comes from the PRIVATE sector. The private sector creates wealth through the free market of ideas, creativity and individuals knowledge to channel resources to meet the demands, needs, and wants of our economy and society. Central planning NEVER works as efficiently as free market capitalism. Socialism destroys the individual's desire to strive for a better life.
@BSD2000 Exactly. It destroy's desire to strive for a better life. In other words, it destroys selfishness. You think this "desire for better life" is such a good thing? Probably not. If we all lower ourselves to a little more humble state of living, we could be happy WITHOUT concentrating the wealth.
But I agree, capitalism IS more efficient, but at the sacrifice of much of the population. And communism never worked, either...
Communism never works, has never worked and will never work. Every country that attempts it gets run into the ground. It actually creates a class system even worse than in capitalism. And capitalism is the only system that allows anyone to be successful and keep prices low through competition. Workers have the same goals as employers....MONEY! Face it it looks good on paper but when put into effect it sucks
And every country that successfully implements capitalism runs its lower classes to the ground.See the difference?Attempt at establishing, success at establishing.
The goal of a worker is self-sustainance,that's why she works.
The goal of a buissinessman is profit, that's why she invests (and doesn't work).
@mauroprovatos I work in a plastics factory, I'm considered working class, and my main motivation is money. Does that make me a greedy capitalist? Well according to you guys it would, but capitalism is good for the lower classes cause competition amongst businesses drives prices down. Again I say capitalism is the ONLY system that allows someone to become successful because communism doesn't let you be the boss. Competiton is human nature and capitalism just plays on that
Not sore enthused thank-you for the debate. I was just on spring break and bored, thanks for being a good sport about responding to my extensive arguments. you brought up issues and a brought up counterpoints i did not intend to sound vindictive so i apologize for any misunderstanding.
please address the failings of the early soviet union under command economy, the stagflation of the early 1970s related to government spending, and the utter failure of the soviet block along with the repressive socialist regimes of china, india, bangladesh, and of course the current situation in the near command economy of Russia.
strikes and negotiation not violent revolution or the creation of a "Big Brother" which has all the power. the problem with the current trade situation is unsustainable methods of production and outsourcing, reliving the ruin of the late 19th century. Socializing doesn't solve anything save in the most dire of wars when all must used for military production. The bottom line is you have no proof that the poor will benefit from your system, only and idea and the example of failed empires.
The points issued in the Zeitgeist series and the ideas of collective consciousness and morality defined by period are expressions of social pressure based solely upon collective agreement. Soviet societies failed to sufficiently create your system. The closest any society has come to a working socialized state is Germany of the early nineteen 30s, and I think we all remember how that turned out. I'm not saying that working people don't deserve more, but that they should attain through...
to my knowledge, provided by an independent for profit institution I'll admit, every venture into marxist socialism, including our own (the USA), has resulted in a political class that has everything and a working class that has nothing. Middleclasses are created by and can only exist in an extremely low tax system where middle class luxuries (jobs by normal people for normal people) can be afforded and sustained. Your philosophy has been proven to work but only on the smallest of scales.
we already have systems that reward charity. Their called churches and I'm guessing you don't like those very much. I too think that they are very inefficient but even they are far more efficient than any government in recorded history. The burden of proof is on you, to provide an example of an egalitarian society that has created and maintained wealth for its members. There has been no sustained system that truly promotes altruism and mutual aid save where there is a common foe...
as attractive as an egalitarian philosophy is to someone without ambition, it has never occurred on any scale with stable members for a an extended period. I have no problem with you taking a group of your 35 closest friends farming and sharing all you have because under capitalism...you can do it! But for communism to work in marx's egalitarian vision large and principal parts of human nature would have to dissapear. Namely the bits called Greed and Ambition. Please respond. I enjoy this.
I watched the video and I still don’t get. When you say external environment stimulation do you like the Soviets, North Korea, and Chinese mean by external environmental stimulation, that is, putting a gun to someone head does motivate them to work for nothing. That does work typically; but some people would call that slavery.
@TheKatsikokleftis I’m not sure what you mean “how fat can one get without a gun”? So you are saying that putting a gun to someone head does motivate them to work and that would be a "workers paradise"??????
Please define Rich. If you mean I own a House, have a car and have a good job, I would not call that rich. Do I make money, Yes! I would class myself as middle class American.
You asked me if I'm hunger, I'm not hungry because I'm willing to work hard and smart and I live in a country where hard and smart working people are rewarded by the fruits of their labor. There are on free lunches, someone has to pay for it.
I love this statement “Human nature is trivial and easily overridable with environmental stimuli". The one thing that I agree with you on! Yes, put a gun to someone’s head, shackle their legs and feet and you pretty much override human nature. That is what the communist leaders do time and time again! They can’t get past their human nature to stay in power!
Furthurmore in capitalism the only way one can build a fortune is by providing some product or service so the people use and love of the capitalist's product or service ios what makes them wealthy in the first place. Now the current predicament of the united states results from overtaxation of the working classes and businesses, I agree that the wealthy should at least have to pay the same tax (without loopholes damn swiss bank accounts and stock excemptions). But their wealth is theirs.
Yes but the capitalists organized the initial systems and furthured the development therein the unions in marx's time didn't make much progress because of the massive birthrate vastly increasing the supply of labor (kinda like china and india today). But they made vast progress from 1906-1925 that resulted in both greater wealth for the worker and a more vibrant economy as employers realized that a worker that is paid more can generally purchase more.
Feel free to email me at wmwoods7@gmail.com with a response to this but your overlooking a large shift in the socioeconomic status after the publishing of marx and engle's writings. Unions formed to balance the power of the bourgousie and everyone was still able to make money and the working classes developed a way to better themselves in the free market system by withholding their supply (of labor) to put enough pressure on the capitalists to share with them a larger portion of the profits.
1)Unions already existed in Marx's time,and was an established variable in his work
2)Unions and labor-friendly politics are being destroyed by the influence of capitalists and their political puppets
3)What you mention is fighting for breadcrumbs from the capitalists pockets.That is unfair.Since only workers produce wealth,why should they fight for a 'better share' rather than the whole product of their labor?
@benzobug Under communism, I will be free since I will have the ability to make choices, unlike in capitalism. I won't choose a job that gives me more money, since I would get paid according to my needs, but I would be able to choose a job that I like, if I have the appropriate abilites that the job requires. I will have more free time since I won't work all day and attend 2 or more jobs in order to live. Work will be less competitive and more cooperative and creative. (continued)
Please define your "choices" and freedom under communism? I do have freedom perfectly defined and protected under the American Constitution and its Bill of Rights. My government is based on individual rights for each citizen and that person’s right to the pursuit of happiness. Communism fails to protect individual rights, I'm sorry.
@benzobug Also, please tell me how the capitalist system that you worship and fap to it so much, would work WITHOUT workers? What if workers decided to stop working for the big bosses? How would this system work?? It would fail in time-zero. Instead, communism can work without bosses - capitalism can't work without workers, it's impossible. Take the hint, punk.
How does Capitalism work? I saved my money that I worked hard for, invested it, Bought Land and Property. I live very well. Capitalism rewards those that are willing to work and take smart risks…..You sound like you are lazy and stupid.
The American Constitution document which protects individual rights is a very long document that protects the rights of individual citizens. The most important aspect of those rights is the right to have and bear arms so that I can protect myself from people like you who want to take away those individual rights. BTW I'm 56.
@benzobug People would pay attention in improving techonology and culture, and won't stay to the same technology in order to sell MORE and MORE until people get bored with it and then sell the next product. Because techonology under capitalism is extremely slow only to sell all the products. What a pathetic and idiotic system. Plus much more freedoms which will take a whole page to count. Marxist communism IS in fact FREEDOM, while fake, self-proclaimed stalinist-maoist "communism" is a LIE!
according to my history teacher, communism in THEORY works towards the idea of the people building up society and eventually having no need for a government, is this true? because if so then I hardly see how countries like China are communist countries. and if this isn't true and real communism in theory supports the idea of being controlled by the government and having no freedom of speech, then (and understand I'm asking this with an open mind) would you explain that as a decent way of life?
The typical communist is a 13-year-old boy who has never paid a cent of tax in his life, other than with his parents' money. He doesn't trust the government, and naturally wants the government to be in charge of every facet of society. Wears a Che Guevara T-Shirt and a U.S.S.R. pin, both purchased from Hot Topic for 75 dollars. Thinks the entire human populace can effectively share all their resources to end poverty.
I enjoy debating you. Don’t be sore loser, please! Let’s continue to debate! You know I win because Communism fails to address two key human ingredients; one, people need incentive (which has traditionally been by the end of a gun or increased personal wealth) to be productive and the other is the fact Communism fails to address supply and demand.
You’re not a loser. I’m just trying to get a rise from you by saying that. The rule should be you make a single statement and I reply. Is that how you see it?
@mauroprovatos What the hell is your problem with America i mean whatever they teach you in school is probably AMERICA IS EVIL because we don't do anything to other countries its the government not the people in the country god you must be ignorant.
I dont have nothing against american people... only a general lack of respect,for allowing your 2 leading parties to get through and away with 5 major wars in less than 20 years with a response consisting of very small demonstrations.
Of course, your majority is brainwashed the most,since you are(were) the leading economy.
Also,we don't learn shit about america in our schools.
@SupremeAmerican What on earth did you achieve with posting your arrogant opinion on the most reasonable form of governance in the world ? If this is what Communism seems to be to you ---- there is a reason. And that is, the real Communist movement is dormant, the real Communists are asleep. But given the future, and given an inevitable drop in human welfare index everywhere ---- you will soon learn to respect us.
@SupremeAmerican Communism is the most malleable and ductile, as well as fundamentalist form of ideology ever ---- not unduly stubborn or soft. We know when to hold peace, and when to go all out. We are the most disciplined of all parties in most parliaments. So, if you think, that our decency is to be taken advantage of, think again.
@galluer Spoken like a true Russian, bravo. - Im trying to harass the American kids that embrace fascism and claim they are liberals and communists. the idiots basically.
@SupremeAmerican As far as the natural human tendency to hold on to status quo is concerned ---- it must be pointed out that change is a must. The revolution doesn't end with the formation of a people's government ---- rather to the contrary ---- it keeps going on.
@galluer I consider communism to be the old ways, the ways in which must be changed from. BEHOLD AMERICA and her glory, for freedom is the absolute, and america is still in the process of revolution, behold the new way, the way that put a man on the moon, a robot on mars, and a camera in deep space. Behold the new revolution.
@SupremeAmerican So you're a nationalist ---- you should start from this end of the stick in every conversation ---- in stead of being philosophical. I have only one thing to say, the WORKER has no NATION.
@galluer Nationalist is not the word for it. I'm a principalitist. Freedom is not a nation, it's an idea. And that is what the United States is struggling with at the moment, idea's never die, nations come and go.
@SupremeAmerican Now your'e confusing me ---- you oppose the freedom of the proletariat to basic appropriation ---- so what is "your" version of freedom ? freedom to rule perhaps ?
@galluer My version of freedom is for the free people to collectively do as they wish, to protect themselves, their property, and their families. To come together as a whole and put a military in place that far surpasses the power of the militaries the dictators of the world posess, and wish to conquer them with. To eliminate the left right paradigm, to enforce the one paradigm, the people.
@SupremeAmerican You described communism except (To eliminate the left right paradigm, to enforce the one paradigm, the people.) the left dialectic is for the people
@SupremeAmerican The people have been the people for an eternity ---- unless communism showed them the light out of slavery. Without the left the people can never be victorious
@SupremeAmerican Hope I was able to raise some questions in your mind. thats the difference between the average bloke and the individual who has a grasp over the matter in its entirety. so I hope ---- unless you're a believer in elitism like National Socialism or KKK, I was able to show you some light of reason.
@galluer So were hitler, joseph stalin, and chairman mao. Your communist brethren killed more innocent people than hitler. than all religions, than all governments, combined, in the 21st century. Kthnx.
There's about 2 cents difference between Nazi's and Communists. Both enslave the people that they are supposed to protect. Your freedom of speech, movement, the right to protect yourself and the right to own land and a house are at the whims of the government. They will make all of the decisions for you; you will have no options for yourself. They will tell you were to work, school, and live, End of story. That may be what you want, someone to make all the decisions for you!
What you don't get is what we Americans believe in, Its called the Constitution of the Republic of the United States. We don’t discriminate at all; we real Americans hate the KKK, National Socialism and Communism all about the same! We just want to be free!
@SupremeAmerican Things don't creep up from the books straight into society ---- ideas are worth nothing if they don't work as intended. An "idea" must be the saddle point for all the member functions of society ---- thats what communism tries to achieve
@galluer It has tried, and failed, repetitively, through out history. In today's world it is only used as a tool for dictators to gain power, yet you want to have your little revolution for those dictators anyway. Freedom already defeated communism, quit desperately grabbing at your mother's old breast, and look forward into the young perky promising breasts of the future.
@SupremeAmerican Then be a part of it ---- you just admitted that it is the right thing to do ---- which incidentally, is hijacked by this or that leader ---- why then should you not fight to prevent such hijacking ? What you said brought nothing new to the table. Every communist is aware of pseudo-communists and what role they play
@galluer The state should work for the people, the people should be free, the people should own the state. This is why communism will never work, the people do not own the state, the state owns them. This is why it has failed 100% through history. Freedom is the nature of the human species, and communism denies that trait from the species, it stalwarts progress, it holds them down and holds them back. Unloose the chains.
@SupremeAmerican What is owning the state ? Certainly the elite does'nt own them. perhaps to you, people are the elite ---- thats where your complaints originate. I would like clarifications on how the state owns the people ?
@galluer In the communist society, the state regulates and limits the people, it dictates the regulations, the laws, the commerce, the rules of society, and an endless amount of the personal freedoms that each person has. This does nothing more than hold back progress, and hold back peace. The glorious breast of freedom is tender, yet firm, and shall not be darkened by the wrinkly pendulous breast of communism.
@SupremeAmerican The regulations are nothing but laws to abide by ---- just like in America its illegal to drive at 250 KMPH, ---- and its for the people's own good
@galluer In America, communism is rearing it's ugly head, in the guise of corporations that dictate the laws of the land and the laws of the people, this is but a growing pain, and it shall pass, the constitution guarantees that. Even with these growing pains, the freedom inherent in American society defeats communism as a whole, the communists are doomed to fail.
@SupremeAmerican In america its nothing close to communism thats happening ---- its the people fed up of corporate terrorism ---- house confiscation ---- lack of education ---- they are voicing their concerns like slaves do ---- by requesting their torturers to stop the torture. when communism happens ---- you'll know
@galluer The corporate terrorism is dictating the people, the laws, the resources, and the freedoms, it is acting as a communist arm to a government that has spit it out.
Communism is the way of the future, it cannot be stopped, the top 1% of people in the world own 95% of the wealth, but inevitably the other 99% will fight them, and win, and establish a system of freedom for all.
Equality, unity, and perfect harmony.
That is what Communism is.
The people have been blinded as to the wonders of Communism, you must open your eyes, and see the possibilitys for all of the suffering people of the world, so unless you are that 1% of rich people, you can't complain.
How can communism be an economic system? To create an economy we need
buyers and sellers, the only real people creating an economy are the private buisnesses and private buyers, if u work for the public services then ur pay is comming from private taxes as ur taxes are only boomeranging back to you as part of ur next wage none of ur money creates ecomomic wealth? This is only a mere thought im willing to listen to anyone who can explain this a little better?
@olddonno1 What is economic wealth ? My well being. Ever heard of the term human welfare index ? I cannot create a solar energy plant, I can code for the inclination of the panels (or keep it clean or create food for the employees). All this labour taken together creates the solar plant, and I am paid back with solar energy that sustains my life, so that, the labour I and my colleagues expended goes to every one of us in society, not be concentrated in the hands of a few corporate bastards.
Don't you realize, many millions of people were murdered because of such dumb, stupid and retarded crooks like Weishaupt, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc. ??
And many millions of soldiers who knew it better, had to pay the ultimate price and sacrifice their lifes, in order that such a diabolical tyranny can't get a grip on our Western countries !!!!
I can't believe they teach the (grand-)children of all these patriots who saved us, such nonsense in these leftist schools!!
You believe you are better-off in communism than in capitalism?
You better wake up!
In communism YOU have NO rights, NO freedom and NO liberty!
You will be just a subservient slave of the state!
Don't you get it?
You fail to understand one single truth:
Communism is NOT a movement of the proletariat.
Communism is a movement of the monied ELITE, that PRETENDS to benefit the works, but in truth gives all controll, all wealth and power to a few unelected plutocrats & billionaires!!
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shanekinsella 1 month ago
its the capitalist that stir economy not the proletariat always remember that
BannyBunch 2 months ago
your definition of capitalism as exploitation of labor is biased and a commie prop
BannyBunch 2 months ago
@BannyBunch really?
what part of my definition is flawed?
mauroprovatos 2 months ago
@mauroprovatos Flawed because you assume workers are exploited when workers really have the choice in capitalism to find better opportunities. The hallmark of capitalism is that what you call submission is actually choice. You aren't forced to do anything because all transactions (even labor for capital) are voluntary and mutually beneficial. I got to :45 and realized that your video is probably great at talking about communism, but awful at describing capitalism. Done here. Disliked.
apell711 1 month ago
@mauroprovatos I know what your saying dude but to give government the power to take control of the economy will destroy it because of this which parts of the economy are not needed and the investor does do work in capitalism the workers don't buy what the products are made of and the investor has to use good management otherwise is destroyed by the free market. also america is putting these ideas into action creating corruption and waste.
chinchoweed 2 weeks ago
@mauroprovatos its not fair I agree but it is also the way to make the most goods and provide the most freedoms. thats the biggest problem with government it cannot compete look at solyndra or how there where bread lines in Russia during there stint in communism. sorry bro you need to use the facts and there is class warfare look at marks the he another problem to the same solution which is freedom without governments.
chinchoweed 2 weeks ago
@mauroprovatos don't you see while he does remove one kind of ruling class he only does so by replacing it and destroying any good done by the previous unjustfulness. some animals are freer than others.
chinchoweed 2 weeks ago
Communism is a loafer’s paradise and hardworking highly motivated individual worker’s nightmare!
benzobug 2 months ago
@benzobug
Damn son, you're back?
mauroprovatos 2 months ago 2
@mauroprovatos I never went away!
Love Benzbug
benzobug 2 months ago
Capitalism is for the worker. The harder you work the better your life becomes. simply put. only one way to deal with a commy. cut their fucking throats
kenndogg51 4 months ago
@kenndogg51
fuck off , americunt
mauroprovatos 4 months ago
@mauroprovatos Are you serious? He made a valid point and that's all you have to say? Really makes me want to be a communist that can't even support his views. Also, America is not Capitalist...
oSPICEo 4 months ago
@oSPICEo who,kenndogg?
What's the valid point exactly? The "NAWWW. CAPITALISM'S FOR THE WORKER" ?
mauroprovatos 4 months ago
@mauroprovatos ahaha fuck off GAYreek piece of shit
jacksfilms1 3 months ago
@kenndogg51 capitalism is for the work? you stupid as fuck, capitalism is for the rich, there are people who work all their lives and cant afford nothing, die in debt, the top elites own more than 40% of the worlds money. and im just talking about elites! not about sports people,traders,bankers etc...
they just think of themselfs. the swistem is so good and free that i can not walk home without seeing gays acting like freaks, womans 80% today are sluts, people worship money. my parents fought
Musashi245 3 months ago 3
@kenndogg51 for a moral society, today i seen satanists, witches, black magic,sluts,faggots, ignorant people all over the place worshiping celebrities,magazines,dont caring with their neighboors,animals,planet etc for who complain about communism millions of deaths i would say i would kill a few more million useless and evil humans for sure. Communism for me and yes USA is capitalist research
Musashi245 3 months ago 3
The author of this video has no understanding of economics. He needs to read Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises to understand Econ 101.
In a nutshell, Communism is a failed economic system leading to mass poverty. Sure, no system is perfect, however individual liberty, freedom of association and freedom to contract, leads to far more wealth for everyone (including the poor) than any communism regime could ever product.
DanMorin007 4 months ago
The Bolshevik Revolution was financed by Capitalists from wall street. This is a known fact! These ultra rich ruling elites propagated Communism as a divide and conquer method for the weak minded masses of humanity with disastrous results to millions of men,women and children as they were SHOT and dropped into their graves! In America you see nested layers of regulation placed on businesses to the point where they cannot operate.Elitist capitalism and communism are two arms of the same monster!
MrArdata 6 months ago 2
@MrArdata
The bolshevik revolution was financed by wall street!?Stopped reading right rhere.
Nice little piece of bullshit, now back it up with some evidence.
mauroprovatos 6 months ago
@MrArdata, You are exactly Right On!
benzobug 6 months ago
National Socialism is the only system that is fair to the worker and employer, Smash Capitalism and Communism
ARYAN88SPIRIT 6 months ago
@ARYAN88SPIRIT
Oh,look, a fascist asshole.ANnyway.
The employer ,being an employer, is unfair by default, because he/she claims the surplus value from the labor of his/her employee(s).
You can't stand in the middle, in the end you'll have to side with one or the other.And historically we both know very well which side national "socialism" chose, countless times.
mauroprovatos 6 months ago
@ARYAN88SPIRIT There has got to be more options than those dirty little three options!
MrArdata 6 months ago
@ARYAN88SPIRIT
There is 2 cents difference between National Socialism and Communism. They both end up as dictatorships, ultimately enslave the population and murder the people they consider undesirable. The only government that has proven to work is a constitutional republic that has a bill of individual rights. The ole saying “Give me Liberty or give me death” is one that rings true; I would rather be dead that have to endure as a slave! That’s not life at all....
benzobug 6 months ago
@mauroprovatos is 'catch my drift' a deliberate pun? :D
21stEuphoria 6 months ago
the problem with all politics especially communism is that human nature gets in the way of the ideals,
paulspydar 6 months ago
@paulspydar check the video response then.
mauroprovatos 6 months ago
@mauroprovatos thanks , Have done..
paulspydar 6 months ago
@paulspydar Human nature FUCKS UP everything that it touches!
MrArdata 6 months ago
@MrArdata
watch the video response.
mauroprovatos 6 months ago
So where does this put governments role. What limits them from being what our government is today? How does it work? I agree that capitalism is pure evil greed and poverty but I am so sick of government sticking its nose in my face that I want to blow it the fuck off. So that being said, would they stay the hell away from me and let me smoke my weed???
MARIJUANA41011 7 months ago
Finally, someone who gets it. Stalin wasn't a real communist anyway.
Deshaies7 7 months ago
@dusgoren thanks.
I couldn't do a video on dialectics.Neither do i know enough nor have i reached a conclusion of this "theory".
mauroprovatos 8 months ago
I TOTTALY AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE BEFOR I KNEW I WAS A COMMUNIST MY WORLD HISTORY TEACHER WOULD ALWAYS SAY COMMUNISM IS BAD N WEN I ASKED HER WHAT R DA GOOD THINGS OF COMMUNISM SHE REPLYED ANGRY N SAID DERS NOTHING GOOD...I DINT BELIEVE HE SO I DID RESEARCH BY MY SELF N I SAW THE TRUTH..IN SCHOOL THEY ONLY TELL YOU THE BAD THINGS ABOUT DER ENEMIES N MAKE DEM SELF LOOK LIKE HEROS..WE R BEEN BRAINWASH BY A CAPITALIST GOVERMNET THAT KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY DICTATOR
12XCMCX13 8 months ago
I like this perspective of the video
medr08 9 months ago
Great job Comrade
TheKillerbobrv 9 months ago 2
Please re-define your "choices" and freedom under capitalism? I don't have any kind of freedom, PERFECTLY defined and protected under the big Capital. American Constitution and Bill of Rights were made by upper class, lower classes never had any interact with them. Capitalism fails miserably to protect any rights other than the capitalists rights. How old are you?
AnarchoCommunist1 9 months ago
τι τραγουδάρα έβαλες ρε μαυροπρόβατε;;!!!!
rayniac21 9 months ago
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The Lord JESUS is king of this universe and all creation one day every knee and nation will bow down before CHRIST. before this will happen JESUS the lord told us that satan will decieve this world through the anti christ a false religious man who will make a one world order. The pope is the anti christ who controls the usa the freemasons the illumanati and jesuits they are all satan worshippers conspiring against God . they want to unite the world under the pope and satan but they will fail
vladimirkovalski 9 months ago
WOW !! Awesome and logic too ! Δεν ειχες και ενα στα ελληνικά ; Δε μπορω να το βρω. Και κατι άλλο.. πιστεύεις οτι το κκε πρεσβευει αυτες τις αρχές ;
leotachr 9 months ago
@leotachr a!
ειχα,αλλα τωρα ειδα οτι εχει μπλοκαριστει σε ολες τις χωρες Ο_0..
θα πρεπει να το ξαναανεβασω..
mauroprovatos 9 months ago
REAL communism is something we all are not worth cause it is humans nature to first think about yourself and then think about others. face it REAL communism is too good for us.
YoshiTheGreenOne 9 months ago
@YoshiTheGreenOne
check the relevant video response.
mauroprovatos 9 months ago
@mauroprovatos i'm not anti comunist in fact comunism is good however if you tried to make a honset comunist system..... you'd find 90% of the people cheating you, but on the other side the other 10% are worth it if you get rid of the fakers
YoshiTheGreenOne 9 months ago
@YoshiTheGreenOne
That assumption is based on today's behavior of the people.Watch the video response about human nature.
mauroprovatos 9 months ago
Communism has been tried in many countries throughout history...I am yet to see one where the individual of such nation is prosperous and free.
SaraCHAIII 9 months ago
>.> from what ive read around so far... wouldn't it be best for the government to be communist and have people work for themselves while they go capitalize on foreign nations?
weiming10 10 months ago
@weiming10
what do you mean 'while the go capitalize on foreign nations'?
who's they?
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos sry had this messed up thought on what communism was. Basically the idea was to "share to wealth" on the interior of a said country while that same country would capitalize on other country's work materials, etc. In a way kind of like what Germany did in ww2 but instead of killing the jews we make them miners cause you know... jew gold...
weiming10 9 months ago
I find it hard to believe that people still don't understand how bad the world would be without capitalism, and the lack of understanding what capitalism is. The root of capitalism is CAPITAL. Capital is surplus money people have to INVEST in their own or someone elses business to expand and grow our economy. Capitalism = freedom, growth, funding for research, new technologies, medical research & new cures, scientific breakthroughs, JOBS and so much more. Communism = poverty and despair.
BSD2000 10 months ago
@BSD2000
and where does that money surplus come from?
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos ALL money and wealth is created in the PRIVATE sector. All of it. Every single thin dime of the government confiscates comes from the PRIVATE sector. The private sector creates wealth through the free market of ideas, creativity and individuals knowledge to channel resources to meet the demands, needs, and wants of our economy and society. Central planning NEVER works as efficiently as free market capitalism. Socialism destroys the individual's desire to strive for a better life.
BSD2000 10 months ago
@BSD2000
HOw is that an answer to my simple, one-liner question?
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@BSD2000 Exactly. It destroy's desire to strive for a better life. In other words, it destroys selfishness. You think this "desire for better life" is such a good thing? Probably not. If we all lower ourselves to a little more humble state of living, we could be happy WITHOUT concentrating the wealth.
But I agree, capitalism IS more efficient, but at the sacrifice of much of the population. And communism never worked, either...
wc1hater 9 months ago
@BSD2000
Perfectly written! You got it exactly right!
benzobug 9 months ago
Communism never works, has never worked and will never work. Every country that attempts it gets run into the ground. It actually creates a class system even worse than in capitalism. And capitalism is the only system that allows anyone to be successful and keep prices low through competition. Workers have the same goals as employers....MONEY! Face it it looks good on paper but when put into effect it sucks
xtremejohnny69 10 months ago
@xtremejohnny69
And every country that successfully implements capitalism runs its lower classes to the ground.See the difference?Attempt at establishing, success at establishing.
The goal of a worker is self-sustainance,that's why she works.
The goal of a buissinessman is profit, that's why she invests (and doesn't work).
Money is irrelevant,it's the exchange medium.
Gargantuan difference.
mauroprovatos 10 months ago 9
@mauroprovatos I work in a plastics factory, I'm considered working class, and my main motivation is money. Does that make me a greedy capitalist? Well according to you guys it would, but capitalism is good for the lower classes cause competition amongst businesses drives prices down. Again I say capitalism is the ONLY system that allows someone to become successful because communism doesn't let you be the boss. Competiton is human nature and capitalism just plays on that
xtremejohnny69 10 months ago
Not sore enthused thank-you for the debate. I was just on spring break and bored, thanks for being a good sport about responding to my extensive arguments. you brought up issues and a brought up counterpoints i did not intend to sound vindictive so i apologize for any misunderstanding.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
please address the failings of the early soviet union under command economy, the stagflation of the early 1970s related to government spending, and the utter failure of the soviet block along with the repressive socialist regimes of china, india, bangladesh, and of course the current situation in the near command economy of Russia.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
@wmwoods7 God, i'm too bored to reply to all that
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos
When I respond like that you really get sore at me! What is the deal here?
benzobug 10 months ago
of which ours is soon to join. Thanks to 5 consecutive socialist presidents.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
strikes and negotiation not violent revolution or the creation of a "Big Brother" which has all the power. the problem with the current trade situation is unsustainable methods of production and outsourcing, reliving the ruin of the late 19th century. Socializing doesn't solve anything save in the most dire of wars when all must used for military production. The bottom line is you have no proof that the poor will benefit from your system, only and idea and the example of failed empires.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
The points issued in the Zeitgeist series and the ideas of collective consciousness and morality defined by period are expressions of social pressure based solely upon collective agreement. Soviet societies failed to sufficiently create your system. The closest any society has come to a working socialized state is Germany of the early nineteen 30s, and I think we all remember how that turned out. I'm not saying that working people don't deserve more, but that they should attain through...
wmwoods7 10 months ago
to my knowledge, provided by an independent for profit institution I'll admit, every venture into marxist socialism, including our own (the USA), has resulted in a political class that has everything and a working class that has nothing. Middleclasses are created by and can only exist in an extremely low tax system where middle class luxuries (jobs by normal people for normal people) can be afforded and sustained. Your philosophy has been proven to work but only on the smallest of scales.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
we already have systems that reward charity. Their called churches and I'm guessing you don't like those very much. I too think that they are very inefficient but even they are far more efficient than any government in recorded history. The burden of proof is on you, to provide an example of an egalitarian society that has created and maintained wealth for its members. There has been no sustained system that truly promotes altruism and mutual aid save where there is a common foe...
wmwoods7 10 months ago
as attractive as an egalitarian philosophy is to someone without ambition, it has never occurred on any scale with stable members for a an extended period. I have no problem with you taking a group of your 35 closest friends farming and sharing all you have because under capitalism...you can do it! But for communism to work in marx's egalitarian vision large and principal parts of human nature would have to dissapear. Namely the bits called Greed and Ambition. Please respond. I enjoy this.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
@wmwoods7
Human nature is trivial, and easily overridable with environmental stimuli.
Both greedy & egalitarian predispositions exist in our genome-defined ways of behavior.
External stimuli favor & Nurture one or the other.Capitalism nurtures and operates upon greed, thus the explosion of it today.
Build a system where altruism and mutual aid is favored upon, and voila.
The human nature argument is an excuse.Watch also Zeitgeist 3, the first part about this.
mauroprovatos 10 months ago 10
@mauroprovatos
Would you be so kind to explain what you mean by "Human nature is trivial, and easily overridable with environmental stimuli"?
benzobug 9 months ago
@benzobug watch the response about hum. nature, and ask there please.
mauroprovatos 9 months ago
@mauroprovatos
I watched the video and I still don’t get. When you say external environment stimulation do you like the Soviets, North Korea, and Chinese mean by external environmental stimulation, that is, putting a gun to someone head does motivate them to work for nothing. That does work typically; but some people would call that slavery.
benzobug 8 months ago
@benzobug
Maybe he means that we can insist on minimizing the greedy fat fat individuals walking on this planet among
starving to death children,pretending the chosen ones.
TheKatsikokleftis 8 months ago
@TheKatsikokleftis So you (Communists) mean by the end of a gun, Right?????
benzobug 8 months ago
@benzobug
How fat can one get without a gun Ah?
TheKatsikokleftis 8 months ago
@TheKatsikokleftis I’m not sure what you mean “how fat can one get without a gun”? So you are saying that putting a gun to someone head does motivate them to work and that would be a "workers paradise"??????
benzobug 8 months ago
@benzobug
Do you feel hungry?
It's all about having something to eat.
TheKatsikokleftis 8 months ago
@TheKatsikokleftis
Please define Rich. If you mean I own a House, have a car and have a good job, I would not call that rich. Do I make money, Yes! I would class myself as middle class American.
benzobug 8 months ago
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benzobug 8 months ago
@TheKatsikokleftis
You asked me if I'm hunger, I'm not hungry because I'm willing to work hard and smart and I live in a country where hard and smart working people are rewarded by the fruits of their labor. There are on free lunches, someone has to pay for it.
benzobug 8 months ago
@TheKatsikokleftis Does "Minimizing" mean liquidation?
benzobug 8 months ago
@benzobug
It's the adjustment of their Silhouette!!!!
TheKatsikokleftis 8 months ago
@TheKatsikokleftis I'm not sure what you mean? Please explain.
benzobug 8 months ago
@benzobug
Are you rich?
TheKatsikokleftis 8 months ago
@mauroprovatos
I love this statement “Human nature is trivial and easily overridable with environmental stimuli". The one thing that I agree with you on! Yes, put a gun to someone’s head, shackle their legs and feet and you pretty much override human nature. That is what the communist leaders do time and time again! They can’t get past their human nature to stay in power!
benzobug 6 months ago
@wmwoods7
You hit it on the nail! Human Nature is Communism's failure.
benzobug 10 months ago
Furthurmore in capitalism the only way one can build a fortune is by providing some product or service so the people use and love of the capitalist's product or service ios what makes them wealthy in the first place. Now the current predicament of the united states results from overtaxation of the working classes and businesses, I agree that the wealthy should at least have to pay the same tax (without loopholes damn swiss bank accounts and stock excemptions). But their wealth is theirs.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
@wmwoods7
And what does the capitalist do? THe owner of a factory, the owner of flats to rent.
(S)he doesn't produce anything, nor offer products or services.
I'll leave taxation at side for now.
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
Yes but the capitalists organized the initial systems and furthured the development therein the unions in marx's time didn't make much progress because of the massive birthrate vastly increasing the supply of labor (kinda like china and india today). But they made vast progress from 1906-1925 that resulted in both greater wealth for the worker and a more vibrant economy as employers realized that a worker that is paid more can generally purchase more.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
@wmwoods7
Define "vast progress".
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
Feel free to email me at wmwoods7@gmail.com with a response to this but your overlooking a large shift in the socioeconomic status after the publishing of marx and engle's writings. Unions formed to balance the power of the bourgousie and everyone was still able to make money and the working classes developed a way to better themselves in the free market system by withholding their supply (of labor) to put enough pressure on the capitalists to share with them a larger portion of the profits.
wmwoods7 10 months ago
@wmwoods7
This is wrong for a few reasons
1)Unions already existed in Marx's time,and was an established variable in his work
2)Unions and labor-friendly politics are being destroyed by the influence of capitalists and their political puppets
3)What you mention is fighting for breadcrumbs from the capitalists pockets.That is unfair.Since only workers produce wealth,why should they fight for a 'better share' rather than the whole product of their labor?
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
thanks mate it is very useful
sayedkhalideshaq 10 months ago
Communism is the REAL FREEDOM! The "freedom" of capitalism is a joke!
AnarchoCommunist1 10 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1
Please explain how you as an individual will be free under Communism?
benzobug 10 months ago
@benzobug Under communism, I will be free since I will have the ability to make choices, unlike in capitalism. I won't choose a job that gives me more money, since I would get paid according to my needs, but I would be able to choose a job that I like, if I have the appropriate abilites that the job requires. I will have more free time since I won't work all day and attend 2 or more jobs in order to live. Work will be less competitive and more cooperative and creative. (continued)
AnarchoCommunist1 9 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1
Please define your "choices" and freedom under communism? I do have freedom perfectly defined and protected under the American Constitution and its Bill of Rights. My government is based on individual rights for each citizen and that person’s right to the pursuit of happiness. Communism fails to protect individual rights, I'm sorry.
benzobug 9 months ago
@benzobug The only "freedom" in capitalism is the "freedom" to exploit and be exploited. I piss on that "freedom". God Piss America!
AnarchoCommunist1 9 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1
Hey Dingleberry,
I have a question for you, do you keep the money from your paycheck or do you give it away?
benzobug 9 months ago
@benzobug Also, please tell me how the capitalist system that you worship and fap to it so much, would work WITHOUT workers? What if workers decided to stop working for the big bosses? How would this system work?? It would fail in time-zero. Instead, communism can work without bosses - capitalism can't work without workers, it's impossible. Take the hint, punk.
AnarchoCommunist1 9 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1
How does Capitalism work? I saved my money that I worked hard for, invested it, Bought Land and Property. I live very well. Capitalism rewards those that are willing to work and take smart risks…..You sound like you are lazy and stupid.
benzobug 9 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1
The American Constitution document which protects individual rights is a very long document that protects the rights of individual citizens. The most important aspect of those rights is the right to have and bear arms so that I can protect myself from people like you who want to take away those individual rights. BTW I'm 56.
benzobug 9 months ago
@benzobug People would pay attention in improving techonology and culture, and won't stay to the same technology in order to sell MORE and MORE until people get bored with it and then sell the next product. Because techonology under capitalism is extremely slow only to sell all the products. What a pathetic and idiotic system. Plus much more freedoms which will take a whole page to count. Marxist communism IS in fact FREEDOM, while fake, self-proclaimed stalinist-maoist "communism" is a LIE!
AnarchoCommunist1 9 months ago
@AnarchoCommunist1 Sir, how old are you?
benzobug 9 months ago
according to my history teacher, communism in THEORY works towards the idea of the people building up society and eventually having no need for a government, is this true? because if so then I hardly see how countries like China are communist countries. and if this isn't true and real communism in theory supports the idea of being controlled by the government and having no freedom of speech, then (and understand I'm asking this with an open mind) would you explain that as a decent way of life?
SebbeSucksBawlz 10 months ago
You're like the for loop of C ---- back to where it started
galluer 10 months ago
The typical communist is a 13-year-old boy who has never paid a cent of tax in his life, other than with his parents' money. He doesn't trust the government, and naturally wants the government to be in charge of every facet of society. Wears a Che Guevara T-Shirt and a U.S.S.R. pin, both purchased from Hot Topic for 75 dollars. Thinks the entire human populace can effectively share all their resources to end poverty.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
And the typical american ignorant jesus-loving deluded redneck comes up with nicknames like yours.
mauroprovatos 10 months ago 4
@mauroprovatos You lost the game.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos
You are so right, a God Fearing American Patriot! He is my brother of another Mother!
benzobug 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos
We haven't heard from you lately? Have you decided that Communism just doesn’t work or what?
benzobug 10 months ago
@benzobug
No, i just decided to stop wasting my time&energy on you.
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos
I enjoy debating you. Don’t be sore loser, please! Let’s continue to debate! You know I win because Communism fails to address two key human ingredients; one, people need incentive (which has traditionally been by the end of a gun or increased personal wealth) to be productive and the other is the fact Communism fails to address supply and demand.
benzobug 10 months ago
@benzobug
I'm not a sure loser, because i didn't lose.
We never began to debate, as you ignore the rules of basic conversation.
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos
You’re not a loser. I’m just trying to get a rise from you by saying that. The rule should be you make a single statement and I reply. Is that how you see it?
benzobug 10 months ago
@benzobug
That was how i saw it, until your complete failure to stick by this rule.I'm done with you.
If you still want to debate me, open movie maker, and make a video stating your objections.
Preferably numbered and well-defined.
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos
You are hurting my feelings. I know I went way overborad. Let's debate, come on!
benzobug 10 months ago
@benzobug
You're a big boy.
Start->Programs->WIndows Movie Maker
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos
Well It looks you have a since of humor, I guess Communist can't be all bad.
benzobug 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos What the hell is your problem with America i mean whatever they teach you in school is probably AMERICA IS EVIL because we don't do anything to other countries its the government not the people in the country god you must be ignorant.
DudeItsEpic 10 months ago
@DudeItsEpic
I dont have nothing against american people... only a general lack of respect,for allowing your 2 leading parties to get through and away with 5 major wars in less than 20 years with a response consisting of very small demonstrations.
Of course, your majority is brainwashed the most,since you are(were) the leading economy.
Also,we don't learn shit about america in our schools.
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos You "don't learn shit" about grammar either, apparently.
justb3ingm01 10 months ago
@justb3ingm01
I m not a native speaker.
And my english is far better than your greek, so shut the f up
mauroprovatos 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican What on earth did you achieve with posting your arrogant opinion on the most reasonable form of governance in the world ? If this is what Communism seems to be to you ---- there is a reason. And that is, the real Communist movement is dormant, the real Communists are asleep. But given the future, and given an inevitable drop in human welfare index everywhere ---- you will soon learn to respect us.
galluer 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Communism is the most malleable and ductile, as well as fundamentalist form of ideology ever ---- not unduly stubborn or soft. We know when to hold peace, and when to go all out. We are the most disciplined of all parties in most parliaments. So, if you think, that our decency is to be taken advantage of, think again.
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer Spoken like a true Russian, bravo. - Im trying to harass the American kids that embrace fascism and claim they are liberals and communists. the idiots basically.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican As far as the natural human tendency to hold on to status quo is concerned ---- it must be pointed out that change is a must. The revolution doesn't end with the formation of a people's government ---- rather to the contrary ---- it keeps going on.
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer I consider communism to be the old ways, the ways in which must be changed from. BEHOLD AMERICA and her glory, for freedom is the absolute, and america is still in the process of revolution, behold the new way, the way that put a man on the moon, a robot on mars, and a camera in deep space. Behold the new revolution.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican So you're a nationalist ---- you should start from this end of the stick in every conversation ---- in stead of being philosophical. I have only one thing to say, the WORKER has no NATION.
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer Nationalist is not the word for it. I'm a principalitist. Freedom is not a nation, it's an idea. And that is what the United States is struggling with at the moment, idea's never die, nations come and go.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Now your'e confusing me ---- you oppose the freedom of the proletariat to basic appropriation ---- so what is "your" version of freedom ? freedom to rule perhaps ?
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer My version of freedom is for the free people to collectively do as they wish, to protect themselves, their property, and their families. To come together as a whole and put a military in place that far surpasses the power of the militaries the dictators of the world posess, and wish to conquer them with. To eliminate the left right paradigm, to enforce the one paradigm, the people.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican You described communism except (To eliminate the left right paradigm, to enforce the one paradigm, the people.) the left dialectic is for the people
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer The people are for the people. There is no left or right about it. Those are simply methods of controlling the populace.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican The people have been the people for an eternity ---- unless communism showed them the light out of slavery. Without the left the people can never be victorious
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer Your 'left' is nothing more than a revolution back into dictatorship and slavery.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
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@SupremeAmerican You're like the for loop of C ---- back to where it started
galluer 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Hope I was able to raise some questions in your mind. thats the difference between the average bloke and the individual who has a grasp over the matter in its entirety. so I hope ---- unless you're a believer in elitism like National Socialism or KKK, I was able to show you some light of reason.
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer Sorry your version of reason is the result of mental illness, possibly narcissism.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Funny that people like Martin Luther King, M.K.Gandhi were also described as mad men. Mad enough to challenge status quo.
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer So were hitler, joseph stalin, and chairman mao. Your communist brethren killed more innocent people than hitler. than all religions, than all governments, combined, in the 21st century. Kthnx.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@galluer
There's about 2 cents difference between Nazi's and Communists. Both enslave the people that they are supposed to protect. Your freedom of speech, movement, the right to protect yourself and the right to own land and a house are at the whims of the government. They will make all of the decisions for you; you will have no options for yourself. They will tell you were to work, school, and live, End of story. That may be what you want, someone to make all the decisions for you!
benzobug 10 months ago
@galluer
What you don't get is what we Americans believe in, Its called the Constitution of the Republic of the United States. We don’t discriminate at all; we real Americans hate the KKK, National Socialism and Communism all about the same! We just want to be free!
benzobug 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Things don't creep up from the books straight into society ---- ideas are worth nothing if they don't work as intended. An "idea" must be the saddle point for all the member functions of society ---- thats what communism tries to achieve
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer It has tried, and failed, repetitively, through out history. In today's world it is only used as a tool for dictators to gain power, yet you want to have your little revolution for those dictators anyway. Freedom already defeated communism, quit desperately grabbing at your mother's old breast, and look forward into the young perky promising breasts of the future.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Then be a part of it ---- you just admitted that it is the right thing to do ---- which incidentally, is hijacked by this or that leader ---- why then should you not fight to prevent such hijacking ? What you said brought nothing new to the table. Every communist is aware of pseudo-communists and what role they play
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer The state should work for the people, the people should be free, the people should own the state. This is why communism will never work, the people do not own the state, the state owns them. This is why it has failed 100% through history. Freedom is the nature of the human species, and communism denies that trait from the species, it stalwarts progress, it holds them down and holds them back. Unloose the chains.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican What is owning the state ? Certainly the elite does'nt own them. perhaps to you, people are the elite ---- thats where your complaints originate. I would like clarifications on how the state owns the people ?
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer In the communist society, the state regulates and limits the people, it dictates the regulations, the laws, the commerce, the rules of society, and an endless amount of the personal freedoms that each person has. This does nothing more than hold back progress, and hold back peace. The glorious breast of freedom is tender, yet firm, and shall not be darkened by the wrinkly pendulous breast of communism.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican The regulations are nothing but laws to abide by ---- just like in America its illegal to drive at 250 KMPH, ---- and its for the people's own good
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer I am a part of the revolution. The true revolution for all man kind. The revolution of freedom.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@galluer The breasts of freedom.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@galluer In America, communism is rearing it's ugly head, in the guise of corporations that dictate the laws of the land and the laws of the people, this is but a growing pain, and it shall pass, the constitution guarantees that. Even with these growing pains, the freedom inherent in American society defeats communism as a whole, the communists are doomed to fail.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican In america its nothing close to communism thats happening ---- its the people fed up of corporate terrorism ---- house confiscation ---- lack of education ---- they are voicing their concerns like slaves do ---- by requesting their torturers to stop the torture. when communism happens ---- you'll know
galluer 10 months ago
@galluer The corporate terrorism is dictating the people, the laws, the resources, and the freedoms, it is acting as a communist arm to a government that has spit it out.
SupremeAmerican 10 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
Amen My Brother of Another Mother!
benzobug 10 months ago
Communism is the way of the future, it cannot be stopped, the top 1% of people in the world own 95% of the wealth, but inevitably the other 99% will fight them, and win, and establish a system of freedom for all.
Equality, unity, and perfect harmony.
That is what Communism is.
The people have been blinded as to the wonders of Communism, you must open your eyes, and see the possibilitys for all of the suffering people of the world, so unless you are that 1% of rich people, you can't complain.
ModelOmega 10 months ago
You are wrong on all accounts. My Neighbors and I will band together to stop you!
benzobug 10 months ago
@benzobug This is what your "logic" you were so proud of comes down to ?
galluer 10 months ago
Solidarity comrade!
kookykoala333 11 months ago
I agree 100% with you, mauroprovatos. I hate ignorant people.
goldenqilin 11 months ago
@goldenqilin
I hate stupid Communists that can't see the light of logic and how it (Communism) failed every time its been tried.
benzobug 11 months ago
How can communism be an economic system? To create an economy we need
buyers and sellers, the only real people creating an economy are the private buisnesses and private buyers, if u work for the public services then ur pay is comming from private taxes as ur taxes are only boomeranging back to you as part of ur next wage none of ur money creates ecomomic wealth? This is only a mere thought im willing to listen to anyone who can explain this a little better?
olddonno1 1 year ago
@olddonno1 not at all!
Economy is a system of production,distribution and management of resources and products.
A market economy is a type of economy.
mauroprovatos 1 year ago 2
@olddonno1 What is economic wealth ? My well being. Ever heard of the term human welfare index ? I cannot create a solar energy plant, I can code for the inclination of the panels (or keep it clean or create food for the employees). All this labour taken together creates the solar plant, and I am paid back with solar energy that sustains my life, so that, the labour I and my colleagues expended goes to every one of us in society, not be concentrated in the hands of a few corporate bastards.
galluer 10 months ago
@mauroprovatos
Don't you realize, many millions of people were murdered because of such dumb, stupid and retarded crooks like Weishaupt, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc. ??
And many millions of soldiers who knew it better, had to pay the ultimate price and sacrifice their lifes, in order that such a diabolical tyranny can't get a grip on our Western countries !!!!
I can't believe they teach the (grand-)children of all these patriots who saved us, such nonsense in these leftist schools!!
tycoonfortune 1 year ago
@mauroprovatos
Why don't you dare, reading Bella Dodd's "School of Darkness" with an open mind?
She was a CPUSA leader and came to know the communist party was sponsored by BIG MONEY.
Why don't you dare, reading the "Red Symphony" by Rakovsky?
Why don't you dare, reading "New Lies for Old" or "The Perestroika Deception" by Anatoly Golitsyn?
Communism is a method to concentrate and consolidate all the (global) resources in the hands of the few !
WAKE UP OR GO BACK TO DISNEYLAND, MAN
tycoonfortune 1 year ago
@mauroprovatos
You believe you are better-off in communism than in capitalism?
You better wake up!
In communism YOU have NO rights, NO freedom and NO liberty!
You will be just a subservient slave of the state!
Don't you get it?
You fail to understand one single truth:
Communism is NOT a movement of the proletariat.
Communism is a movement of the monied ELITE, that PRETENDS to benefit the works, but in truth gives all controll, all wealth and power to a few unelected plutocrats & billionaires!!
tycoonfortune 1 year ago
@tycoonfortune didn't i tell you to continue this on my/your channel?Shall we?
And don't preach,offer arguments.
mauroprovatos 1 year ago 4
@mauroprovatos
I am willing to discuss these things with you, on a