This guy is retarded! Seriously! The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Hmmmmm, did not Jesus even say, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Murray does not teach against the trinity. Emmanuel "God with us". I mean come on bro, you are ignorant.
There were many times Jesus was asked about the "last days" and He never once says, "Relax, prior to any actions taken in the last days, I will return and take all my believers to a plcae where they will be kept safe." And Jesus spoke plainly. The "GOD of the Bible" is a clear distinction as to who GOD is. Saying the mormons and jehovahs use the same term is in reference to THEIR bible's, not the KJV Bible The churches of both those denominations, I have been to. Aint a Holy Bible to be found.
Just because the majority of so called chritians call shepards chapel a cult dont mean they are right...the bible cleary tells us the rapture is a lie and I will pray that you are no longer deceived by false rapture teachings....Our father comes on the 7th trump....the false antichrist will come on the 6th..false teachings have your mind buddy...and arnold murray does teach there is a enternal hell..u must a been dreaming
don't care for murray however you my friend are misleading others with your usage of the word rapture. Yes we will be gathered together ( believers in Christ ) at the final trump a.k.a. the Day of the Lord. The rapture theory teaches that Christians will be spared from a tribulation period which you ( Matt Slick) know is not taught anywhere in the Bible.Ouch.
Sir, you're a fool! You apparently have zero knowledge of the True Word of God. Please study your Bible and listen a little closer, you could learn something. Get out of your traditional views according to man and study the Bible! Folks like you tear down Christianity and will get everything you got coming to you all at once, after the Lord's Day is accomplished and you stand before the Heavenly Father!
this guy is a wack job he believes in the rapture lol,lol,lol the rapture is is false teaching... you rapture away ill stay here doing Gods work.... have fun on your rapture(dont forget to flap your arms )lol,lol
Stick to your fiction novels and cheap one liner verses to make your point! Carm.org is nothing but a money begging site. Mike Slick is so out there in his way of thinking he confuses himself. Ive heard him say things and then do a 180 on what he just said just to get in you pocket. From Christian to Christian, let me just say, get your facts right! Fantasy world is where Mr. Slick lives!
Arnold Murry states very often that he is a Christian! If you think being a Christian is being in a cult you have a problem. As far as him expaining words that are misinterpreted in the bible, you must know Greek or Hebrew to understand the correct meaning of them. You must not know Hebrew or Greek obviously. No man on this earth is perfect and some things may be preceived wrong by others. The only thing I can see you doing is criticizing others work. Judge not for one day yea shall be judged!
I have watched him several times, one of his idiotic teahings is that angels come to earth in space ships. An that the nephliums are true giant angels and some how had sex with women, 20 time s smaller than them.
haha this guy works for kenites. pastor murray reads scripture verse on verse chapter by chapter with scripture interpeting scripture. this guy is foolish haha nice try kenites
01320 TWOT - 291a בָּשָׂר basar Noun Masculine baw-sawr' from (01319) from ; flesh (from its freshness); by extension, body, person; also (by euphem.) the pudenda of a man:--body, (fat, lean) flesh(-ed), kin, (man-)kind, + nakedness, self, skin. This is the strongs def. For flesh Cains line did survive the flood.
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. (Genesis 6:19 KJV)
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? (Matthew 10:25 KJV). Keep it up Murray!!!
Murray is a completely false teacher. I can't believe people are ignorant enough to fall for the hype. Pick up a Bible and actually read it yourself. Pick up a Strong's and you'll see that only SOMETIMES he gives a Strong's reference. He only does it when it fits his agenda at other times he outright lies. Show me in the Bible where God creates other races before Adam. Show me in the Bible how Cain's line survived the flood. Failure to provide scripture is false teaching.
You guys are a trip. I've been with Arnold Murray since day one and I've never heard him teach anything nothing the word of God teaches me not Arnold Murray. We read the bible. Thanks be to our heavenly father for truth and love through his son our Lord and savior. Come on people get with Gods word or be forever cast out!.
I don't know about Pastor Murry but Mathew 24 clearly shows there is no rapture. Also did you know the rapture theory was started in the early 1800's. You can't take the Bible a verse at a time out of context to fit what ever point you want to prove. The Bible also says we don't need any teachers, or to tithe. You sir need to read yours more.
@fullmag556 Matthew 24 very explicitly teaches rapture.
"Matt 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
it is a post-tribulation rapture but a rapture nonetheless.
Why you not exposing ones askin for money all the time, Hinn, Popoff, Robertson, Steen, Copeland, TBN, PTL the list goes on. GOD's word says you can't have 2 masters GOD & mammom(money). Shepherd's Chapel never ask for money, maybe love offering. As far as the rapture goes, your quoting what Christ says for His 2nd Coming, People need to read Mathew 24, Mark 13 & Luke 21, Mathew & Mark say Jesus return is after the tribulation. Jesus says He 4told all things & rapture is'nt 1 of them. Peace2All
In regards to the rapture theory: To me personally, it is obvious that the rapture theory is a falsehood. All we need to do is recite the Lord's prayer. Our Father who art in heaven,( thy kingdom come, thy will be done, =on earth= as it is in heaven.) ok stop right there. The Lord is coming to set up his kingdom ON THE EARTH as it is in heaven. We are not all flying out of here. We wouldn't need the spiritual armor if we are leaving. We need it for the fight , not a flight. May God bless you all
I am caution for what Arnold Murry teaches, I read the KJV bible myself, some of his teaching dosn't completely line up with scpitures. However, have any of you read Revelation Chapter 2 verses 18 to 28? It speaks about the prophetess Jezebel who commit fornication with the servants of G-D. Some modern versions of the bible translated the word fornication to sexual immorality or sexual sin. It means in spiritural sense, not a literal or phyiscal sense.
Talking about a man (Arnold Murray) who has studied the word of God for 60 years, in all its original languages. Arnold Murray was studying the word of God when you were just an itch in your dad's pants.
Horray for Arnold Murray for speaking out the truth. These things may "sound" like "unorthodox doctrines" to the brainwashed multitudes of denominational Christians out there - including this guy. But Mr. Murray is light years closer to the truth than they will ever be. It takes a revelation from God to see the doctrine of the trinity is straight out of the pits of hell.
Rapture false. God tells us in all the bible how to prepare for the trib and what we will see during the trib. God tells the plagues not to harm those with his seal. Meaning WE ARE HERE. Why would God curse Eve giving birth and during conception if all she did was eat an apple? He would condemn her tounge or stomach not birth. If no sexual thing was accured, why did the fact of conception and birth get brought up by God? Why did he curse her with labor paines for eating an apple? Commen sense.
This man speaking in the video is clearly under romans chapter 11:8 and Mt 7:5 and Lk 6:42 and Lk 13:15... HYPOCRITE; Greek # 5273 from 5271; an actor under an assumed character (stage-player), a dissembler ("hypocrite")-hypocrite. Greek #5271 voice from # 5259 and # 2919; to decide (speak or act) under a false part, dissemble (pretend) KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PASTOR ARNOLD MURRY!!!
I do not condone a single thing you have said, except for the fact that you are against the existence of the spawn of the fallen angels and human women. They are explicitly described in Genesis and other passages, and are taught to be the Nephilim.
Who's paying this guy to say this stuff? I guess this guy is one of those fantasy teachers and not a truth teller. He must be losing his congragation.
I have ben studing with Pastor Arnold Murry only but a short time really (6 months) In that time i have learned more and truely understood more then i could have thought possible. His teachings and his wisdome, chapter by chapter verse by verse are truely a blessing
I feel so sorry for this man. Pastor Murry teaches stright from the Bible KJV. He tells his students to study for themselves, and to not listen to him (PM) or any other man because we are all responsible for what we believe. We will gather back to Christ after antichrist is defeated, not before. Jesus says satan has children are you saying Jesus is lying? Read Matthew, the whole chapter. Read II Thess chapter 2. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ.
...I was going to respond to this guys very clever deception with rebuttals...but if you listen carefully he uses the old serpants trick of "a drop of truth and a whole cup of poisen/lies...So let me just say....When ever you are in doubt, USE YOUR GIFT OF DISCERNMENT! example...you can "feel" the sincerity and genuiness of Pastor Murray....Looking at this slime bag within 2 seconds i felt icky....thats discernment. and if still in doubt...step back and just Ask our Father :)
It is K E N I T E, not keynit's..... see, these stupid "preachers" are ignorant.... and you people are going to listen to this quack.... so, why did EVE AND ADAM both wear the fig leaf, covering their private parts, after their encounter with satan? BOTH Adam and Eve were beguiled by satan...for if it was just Eve, she would of been covered, but they both covered themselves. Explain that too us....
I hope no one is listening too this tool, he is going to send you right into the pit with satan..... he is preaching from a kenite "bible" the NIV... let's get back to the true Word of God, with the KJV.
Ezekiel 13:20 (King James Version) 20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
You stupid, stupid, stupid misleading fool! God does start with the pulpit! I will pray for your kenite soul!
Romans 1:20 (King James Version) 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Get off your NIV, NASB or whatever bible you "preach" from...
John 10:30 Jesus said I and my Father are one, so how do you explain that? In other words what does that mean? Jesus said that all manner of blasphemy and sin would be forgiven men except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit! What if Murray is right? I have the freedom in this country to believe whatever I choose, so don't you try and tell me what to believe about the Bible! I think that 1 Thess. 4:17 is taken out of context. Murray always says to think for yourself and to study God's word!
HE TEACHES FROM THE BIBLE ....NOT MANS UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE ...HEBREW AND KING JAMES VERSION..Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Matt, why don't you just teach the word and ignore what someone else is saying or doing. So much of this sounds like outright jealousy to me. I don't listen to what anyone says without checking it out for myself in my bible. Seems like you are spending a lot of time mud slinging. Why don't you teach chapter by chapter and verse by verse and quit wasting time complaing about someone else.
And Yes, Jesus will return with a shout and a trumpet -- the 7th trumpet. Jesus is not coming until there is a falling away of faith AND UNTIL THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED. The anti-Christ will be revealed BEFORE Jesus comes back. I'll get the book and verse for that too if you want. The rapture is a FALSE doctrine.
Pastor Murray is not perfect, but he is a VERY GOOD BIBLE TEACHER. As for the rapture, Matthew 24:40 and 41 also seem to talk about the "rapture". If you also read Matt 24:39 which mentions the people that were taken away by the great flood, you will see that being taken away is NOT what we want. I challenge you to find the word "rapture" in the bible. It is not in there.
all right Matt. Who cares what some of these others stated below. You are not judging as they. They judged you with unrighteous judgment. You made a judgment on a false teacher so that others would not follow something false. You will be persecuted for taking a stand.
Your claims are unfounded. You present no proof of what you say yet you wish Arnold Murray to do so. Why don't you practice what you preach? It is interesting that you quote the English translation of Greek and Hebrew and act as if it is scripture. Guess what? Jesus and his disciples did NOT speak or write English. Wake up!!
Mat Slick like the Jew Grace Slick? Your a Jew and an Idiot. Grace has fashioned herself as artist lately. Maybe she could get you into her finger paint art therapy class. Do us all a favor and flush yourself.
your stupid and your have a stupid sweater, and you try to use words that your not comfortable using, your just a dumb shit who don't know what he's talking about, so you go pretend that Jesus is gonna come and fly you away and go believe that the earth is only 6000 years old
Mr Matt Slick. Your statements you made are of satans workings to decieve Gods Children here on earth. You should remove your self from youtube because you are making a bad example right off the bat for Judgeing ( God hates that.
@backcreekstone this man is dumb there is no eternal hell thats why when christ died mercy met justice for with repentness you are saved but without god has mercy to just destroy you and you are gone out of your misery god is a consuming fire what does it mean to consume to eat up to be no more why does it say eternal torment well for eternity you will be gone that is a torment think about not being for a minute thats eternal torment god gets no satisfaction making you scream and suffer forever
I mean its was the last book in the bible logicly its kinda important....
revolations means to reveal.... we are to reveal it and the anti-christ comes before the REAL CHRIST ... wut about the seal and trumpets, see i dont count anything out when it comes to the bible because God is devine and the beginning and the end so... der ya as a christian imma take the word as a devine letter sent to me;)~
@funkrocus So what your saying to me then is that after this carcass is been rotting for say 10 years, you are going to come back to earth and crawl back into it. Murray is closer to the truth than you are, because St Paul said straight up that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. This mortal shall put on Immortal, this perishable shall put on imperishable. We shall be changed.
@Mrpl778 i cant follow what your saying, no disrespect. And im not defending the guy making the video. I asked a Doctrinal question that Arnold makes, I never posted my beliefs. But I can recomend Dr. William Lane Crage-hope i spelled his name correct. I mean he does a lot of debates but idk you might like him, hes very on Point in a lot of ways, but tell me what you think. I don't know what kind of church your looking for. But respect-Godbless
@funkrocus I will check this guy out, i am looking for a church that teaches the way Pastor Murray teaches. Sing songs is nice, but way to much time is spent on songs, and gibbergabber, when i go to church i want to hear the word of God, not babel, or sermons. Don't tell me something without showing me where it is in the Word of God.
@Mrpl778 awsome! ya your basicly looking for whats known as 'expository' type of churches prior to 'topical' style of teaching, like just doing a fancy sermon. Expository is just teaching verse by verse. As much as there is horrible churches out there, suprisingly theres a lot of Good churches within Reformed Theology you might like. And honestly its Really gonna be near impossible to find a similar church to sheperds chapel because that church has a number of unique doctrins
@Mrpl778 And im not just saying that to Con anyone to follow my oppionion, but you can tell when you open up Christian History and look into what the earlyer churches believed to get a proper scope of picking your kind of church. It can Help and maybe in your case it could at least help make things easyer. Shalom
@funkrocus I don't always agree with Pastor Murray 100%, but for the most part, i think he has more truth than most of the preachers in the church. I am sorry you all have nothing better to do than discredit him. Since neither Enoch, Elijah or Moses are here yet i will continue to listen to my Pastor, Pastor Murray. Thank You
@tonyteb How are we being deceived? is it because the Pastor believes we were at the First Earth Age. and were responsible for causing this age. I have no quames with Pastor Murray, what he believes is the closest i have found to the truth. Enlighten me my friend, where is it you think Pastor Murray is deceiving us???
@Mrpl778 how? if you cant reconize how badly he removes things from context everyday i cant help you pleas show me were there was three ages and that the races were created on the sixth day and what races and was there no sin before ah hahdam
@tonyteb of course there was sin, What about the overthrow of Lucifer. If their was no sin then why did Father destroy the Earth the first time. So what is your answer got a better one? Cain went to Nod and found himself a wife? If there were no others, then where did Cain find a wife in a foriegn land?? Answer????
@Mrpl778 cain went to nod and got a wife so it dosent say there were no others weree does it say the devil can make a body that has real sperm and can produce children threw one man sin came in to the world right
@tonyteb Are not the so called exta terrestrials doing the same thing today, and trying to make a Hybrid species? Are we not created a little lower than the angels? Read Gensis Chapter 6 and then tell me what are the talking about. Gensis Chapter 3:15 I will put emnity between Thee and the women, and betweeen thy seed and Her Seed, It shall bruise thy Head and thou shall bruise His heel. Talking to the Devil who is the serpent, the old dragon, the devil. Seed is prostratity. Or progengy.
@Mrpl778 becarefull of your interpitation please look up the word seed as it pretains to GOD as well in 1 john3.9 its the same word you guys use to support the iidea of progeney for the devil seed
@tonyteb Yes, but in Gensis 3:15 whom is God Talking too is it not Satan, I hope you don't buy the fable of the two lovely people walking naked in the Garden talking to a snake in an apple tree. He said i repeat " I ( God speaking) will put emnity between Your seed ( the serpent ) and her seed ( the women meaning eve). correct me if this is wrong, because i believe that is the correct interpetation. Thank you my brother PTL
@tonyteb What is your point?? So if Yeshua is not returning to Earth? What is coming? I want to know what you denomination thinks is coming next, and i want to know why we have not had the millenium yet. Where is the sign of His Returning? You have lots of belly aching to do about Arnold Murray's teaching but no answers to any questions. God gave us a brain to reason with, i know that my own conclusions may be wrong, but a least i have some. You have shown me nothing.
@Mrpl778 i never said jesus is not returning show me were the 1000 reighn is on earth Does father not say when the gospel is preached to the whole world then will the end come? where is the sighn of his comming read very carefully mat 24 luke 21 mark 13 who is jesus talking to yes that generation but you guys denie the whole context just like in acts when peter says this is that wich what was spoken by the prophet joel and it shall come to past in the last days acts 2 read it very carefully
@tonyteb Acts chapter two is talking about the Day or Pentecost, and the tongue that was spoken their has not been heard in our World again since then. The apostles spoke in the native language, but everyone standing their heard them in their own dialect, it was a genuine miracle of God, not the babel you hear in the pentecostal churches of today.
@Mrpl778 again you avoid the context he says this is that that would happen in the last days you cant avoid it it happen your trying to make something fit that you can not look bro i used to belive like you about the futre and all but i was not being honest i knew jesus said this but everyone says no he means that but i always knew it was wrong remeber there is audience context and time indocaters dont just write them off because your trying to make something you belive fit
@tonyteb caught yah it does not say that the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached to the whole world, and then the end shall come. My dear scripture lawyer it says" This gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached to the whole as a witness, and then shall the end come. It being preached by not a witness. 1 thessolians chapter 4. The Lord himself shall descend, means his feet will touch. Wow are you affraid of Yeshua or what, I believe personally as his death was personal, so shall his reign
@Mrpl778 caught me what. to the whole what. so what you think im scared of JESUS why now i dont get it i belive his death was personal and his second coming too. are you saying hes not reigning now he is very personal to me
@tonyteb My personal email is Mpl778@yahoo.com, if anybody here wants to converse one on one. Keep the Faith brothers and sister. looking forward to hearing from yah soon
@Mrpl778 thank you i will contact you with my number to speak becase i am horrible on typing i am also a RON PAUL supporter as well lol GOD BLESS brother
@tonyteb you Love to quote 1 john 3:9, but you never said anything about 1 John 3:12 which clearly says that Cain who was of that Wicked One, need i say more.
@tonyteb Gensis Chapter 6. Study the UFO subject, and abuduction cases, google Galatic Federation, tell me that is not the same old lie offered in the Garden,.. Same old thing new day. You might also check out the NWO. These are the days of the coming of the Son of Man, and they are exactly like the days of Noah. Pull yourself away from Murray for awhile and find out what is going on in our World today, and how close we are two the Rise or The Antichrist. Lucifer and Luciferanism.
@Mrpl778 see now your going outside the word didnt jesus tell you i have told you all things were playing pin the tail on the antichrist like past generations because of a misinterptation of scripture i am well aware of the new world order but didnt jesus say you will have tribulation always in this world
@tonyteb When we say Antichrist we are talking about Lucifer and the Rise of Luciferanin One Worldism. It makes not difference what you or i believe. The powers that be have a plan, and they are determined to bring it about. Your bible is a guide book, but you must be aware of what is taking place in this time. Otherwise you are like the guy in the flood with the aid, the boat, and the Helicopter. We are to be wiser than the Serpent. Have you read the Book of Enoch, or Jasher?
@Mrpl778 but it does not matter what you or i say what an anti christ is i already know because the bible has already told me i have not read those books i have my FATHERS word he didnt leave anything out
@tonyteb Please for my sake do a word study on the Word Logos, where we get out word logic from. We are Born again form the uncoruptubile seed which is the Logos, or word of God. Now if you wish to inject spema into that well good luck we are born again of the spirit not flesh, that which is flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit. We are the Dust of the Earth. God has planted his incorrubtible seed in us threw the Word of God. Do not be affraid to think for yourself .
@Mrpl778 what does lodos have to do with it your the one who belives seed means progeny look up the word in 1 jn same word as when speaking of the seed of the devil i no how were born again not because we were there before either
@tonyteb I say Logos and you change is to lodos what the heaven is that all about. No 1 john is speaking of the saints of God. Their is no need for me to present our case here because you have made up your mind about the whole preexistence doctrine. But is there not something in our Bible about God's election that he choose before the Foundations of the Earth?
@Mrpl778 i meant logos please post what 1 cor 15 vs 45 to 47 says and yes there is about election not because you were there but because He is God and knows all does it not also say the lamb who was slayed before the foundations of the world does that mean JESUS was slayed before the earth was created
@tonyteb Why does God say be fruitful, multiply, and replenish the earth. Why the book of Ecclesiastes, say the body goes back to the dust, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. St Paul said " To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Father is the eternal self existant one. We have been here for roughly 6000 years is it not arognant and stupid to assume from before tell man he did nothing. Rather short sided of You.
@tonyteb Replenish by default means the earth was populated before Salmon, and St paul make it very clear that we are more than a physcial body. God is eternal and for us to say that we are the whole of his creation is to be arrogant at best. Do you believe that the universe is only 6000 years old?
@tonyteb look it up, it is strongs word, #4390. For one who says we should follow the writen word you sure seem to have lots of objections when it comes to actually taking the bible at face value. i did not say replenish the earth Father did. And you still have not told me what is coming?? Perhaps you will follow the ET's to Accension to the next stage of our Evolution. I am fair i have read your Perterist Books. Where is Yeshua now is He hear with us? Has Ever eye seen him
@Mrpl778 what is comming what ?did not jesus say the kingdom of God is within you. you still have not answered about the seed when it pretains to God in 1st jhon the word means sperma or prgeney Father says it not me Father says only 8 souls were saved not me father says through one man sin comes into the world. Jesus says some of you standing here will not taste death till you see the son of man coming in his power are there people 2000 years old. what preterist books have you read if i may
@tonyteb 1. Yes, so lets let it out. 1john3:9 must refer to spiritual seed, Since the fall took plsce the souls of only those of Noah's Family were unpoluted. And Cain's seed line is not of Adam, so you draw your own conclusions on that one. As far as the 2000 year thing, God took Enoch and Elijah, do they not still have a job to fullfill. God is capable. Last Days According to Jesus RC Sproul, and End time delusions by Richard Abanes. and one other which i cannot remember right now.
@Mrpl778 i do take it a face value i reject evolution and im fair because i listen to murray for years he makes things up out of thin air what does ezikel ch13 vs 24 an 25 say look in the king james and tell me he qotes it when spekinh about the rapture teaching
@tonyteb No 24 or 25 in my bible. but he has a 1611 i don't know if it is in there? Ezk 13 is talking about Astral Projection, or as they call it now Quantum Jumping. But Rapture Doctrine can also fit in that Catagory
@Mrpl778 i have the 1611 kjv myself your funny astral projection huh wow context means nothing at all to murray foloweres you still never answer any of my ? anyway 24 and 25 are not there he makes it up lets stick with the Word lets not go to extreme ideas toatally outside the bible ch and verse
@Mrpl778 why when jesus says this generation you guys say no that generation why when it says only 8 souls were saved you say no only 8 adamic souls were when clearly thats not what it says why when jhon says the antichrist is already in the world time is at hand this is the last our in his generation you guys dont belive it
@tonyteb Which generation? The one that saw the destruction of the temole or the one that witnessed the rebirth of Israel The object of the passage is the Fig tree, or National Israel. 8 souls yes, but it also says he took to of all flesh, where not the kenites flesh. So lastly if you believe Antichrist is come and gone, what are we to expect next????
@Mrpl778 which generation i think when you read it you know what generation he speakes always a problem for the futerist i know but keep it in context that fig tree has nothing to do with isreal in luke it says fig tree and all the trees and in mathew Jesus curses the fig tree never to bear fruit a gain
@Mrpl778 again what; those other flesh had no souls ? who is being short sighted now genisis chapter 9 read it again if i belive hes come and gone i didnt say FATHER says 1 jn 4.3again 1st jn 2. 18 please explain you have offered me nothing as well in terms of well reason answers i would love to speak some time if possible in CHRIST Tony
@tonyteb Why did God want to completly destroy the peoples of the Holy Land, surely their was more going on their than is written? I am not sure what it is your looking for as regards to the scriptures in 1 John. AsSarek said in the Voyage. it is diffucult to answer when one does know the question. Email me with you question and i will give you my answer not Pastor Murray's
@tonyteb You go on and on about Noah's family only serviving the Flood. The Kenites are mentioned after the flood, but what about the Giants, like Goliath, the Sons of Anak, the Rephaimites, and the real evidence that they actuallly did exist. Utube video's on Giants and the Nephilim. Lots of information on the Annanaki. whould would be the Anakaim of the Bible. Or the Sons of Anak. How they survive the Flood?
@tonyteb Its Chapter 10 and their is no mention of Kenites in these passages. So once again i feel you are trying to pull the wool over my eyes. and i can only ask why? In chapter 15 however God says to Abram that he will give his descendants the Land of the Kenites, and other peoples of the Rephaims.ie gaints. This is a mystery to me. As to why God wanted them all destroyed. What say you??
@Mrpl778 correct 10 1vs 1to 5 your right there is no kenites mentioned there By these were the isles of the gentiles divided into there lands evryone after his tounge after there familys in there nations reconize by WHO SHEM HAM AND JAPETH
@Mrpl778 why does he judge all nations disobeience gen 6 vs 5and God saw the that the wickedness of MAN was great in the earth and that every imagination of the thoughts of his HEART was ONLY evil contiually
@tonyteb Lucifer is called the Annointed Cherub, which means before he fell he gaurded the mercy seat, and when he fell he became Satan, the Advesary, why do you think they are called Fallen Angels?
Thank you so much for confirming the smell of a false prophet! Years ago I lived in one of the small communities in Idaho, where it is hard for a christian to find a good church. I started watching sheperds chapel and for a while things didn't seem odd untill someone wrote in and confessed they lived with someone for 10 years and asked if they were living in sin, Arnold said that God did not see them living in sin. I turned the channel and never looked back!
@robicarm Wow, that is a difficult question to answer, i probably would have answered the same way, without knowing the specfic conditions of the relationship after all discretion is the better part of valour. Judge not and all that. Why were you so quick to judge. He probably answered it that way to skirt the issue. Because God is the judge not us. Truthfully we are all living in sin. Yeshua did not judge the women caught in adultery, why is it the Pastor job to judge these guys
@Mrpl778 I'am not trying to judge for the purpose of condeming anyone who lives together, but they clearly admitted they were living together and wanted someone that would justify the relationship. We can't always use the excuse "don't judge" to excuse ourselves from sin. Many people I know use that line to manipulate others in order to achieve their desires in life. How then would you adress what the scripture says to be right?
@robicarm I agree; but we don't have to cohabitat to commit fornication. And i am saying i would have not been able to judge, because i do not know the circumstances and i am no window peaker. I would have told them that God knows, and went futher to state what God said about marriage and fornication, But also where does it say anywhere in God's Word that you must seek a civil ceremony to be offically married? I judge no one in that venue because i am so far from perfect myself i have no room
Lol , guess what chief , yer getting caught up in semantics vs the Trinity. God is omnipotent and omniscient (u genius) ofcourse he can appear as 3 seperate entities ...it doesn't mean that he is actually 3 seperate entities at all times lol
The real Arguement isn't about the Rapture don't get sucked into that Conversation to avoid the issue. I ask this Question, How do you 'Arnold followers' believe that Satan got into Heaven????
@funkrocus As a Christian how do you explain to a non believer where Heaven is????? i cannot, it is thought it is above the Earth? How do you explain the Galatic Federation? Technically are they not in the Heavens???
Are they not the Demons of Old?? Why must they wait until Disclosure comes. Interesting to note is that the word Disclosure means to Reveal. I'm just saying sounds a lot like 2 thess Chapter 2 to me. Maybe i am all wrong, and why are ET's so interested in making Hybrids??
@Wonglow Ok This really kills me this guy here says that Heaven is in another Dimension which we cannot see, or feel or touch except by the spirit. yet he comes along and says we are going to enter this dimension in our flesh bodies. What is wrong with this thinking, and whatever happened to Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Gottha Pastor Murray is right again
@whickerwoodwork -I know that. They believe Satan Is in Heaven NOW...rev12. So, thats why I ask how he got up there a 2nd time? if you don't know where Im coming from then you probly havent hered Arnold try to explain it.
The destruction of the soul is accurate in the bible, after the great white throne judgement, woe to those that teach each other to fly to save their soul is accurate. wholly beguiled means sexually seduced and the sons of God did take wives, it states that in genesis. Luckily the real teacher who is Yeshua will return after the antichrist to straighten these false teachings and teachers out.
This dude is a joke, what is ur view carm, traditions of man can lead one astray. i guess praying to mary in catholicism is right or using scripture to fit your interpretation is right as well. where does it say the word rapture in the bible and the verse you are talking about when the dead should rise in christ first happens after the last trumph has blown and the dead are already with christ. and also God knew us before the foundations of this world, so we did exist before now
Dude the Rapture is NOT!!! clearly taught in the scripture...LOL One side bashing the other....using a text here and there to prove their side.....If you say the the Pre Trib Rapture is 100% truth and you got it all figured out....I would say you are a Liar also...as you charge Arnold Murray as being.... The truth is Yeshua is Lord....and most people talk out their butt... :)
Without giving too much credit to carm... anyone interested in the real definition of a cult ought to go and read essentials and non essentials on carms web site .. watch some of Walter Martins ( R.I.P.) videos online or get his book "kingdom of the cults " where he defines what a cult really is or isn't as per orthodox christianity .If you like arnold murry cuz he's cute ..walter was a cute old guy too .. just a lot smarter
Sadly most christians are woefully ignorant and saved . or only christian in name alone ,they are in constant error and flounder because of their own ignorance . A charasmaticly interesting guy like this comes alone and he basicly bullies immature or unlearned christians into following his non-biblical nonsense..these guys speak 83% correct doctrinely and add17% of pure poison ..next people are lining up for the kool-aid spiritually .like gene scott , hagee,..little dictators on an ego trip..
@zwreckless1 A little respect would be nice here for the Late Pastor Scott who really had a heart toward God, if you would listen to him ounce. He used to say that he had only one area of his life he was certain of and that was the ressurection of Yeshua, and everything else was gray and up for interpetation. Scriptually of Course. I loved that cigar smoking crazy man. He was always entertaining, and not affraid to search for truth. He's home now so you cannot hurt him anymore.
@Mrpl778 You need to stop defending these guys murry has a gun .. he doesn't need or want you defnding him , gene scott I thought was an amazingly interesting well spoken and a good teacher , his videos on the reserection are very strong .biblically ..As far as a bully sorry i'm jamming him in the same catageory as hagee and murray..U say i can't hurt him .? what does that mean ? as for if gene scott is theologically correct ?? .. Murray is a side show unto himself . too much ego run amuck
@zwreckless1 Pastor Murray may be smart, but charasmatic, that funny? And Dr Scott was so not charasmatic.
if you want to see charasma, look to Benny HInn, and others. Dr Scott was the last man in the faith who would have ever said to follow him to the kool aid, he believed strongly in self determination, and freedom, so does Arnold Murray. He says do not trust any man, not even himself without checking him out.
wow dude, you have a cool voice; but what comes out of your mouth is garbage. You, and all of the "sources" you have researched online are spreading lies. Do you know what Emmanuel means in Greek or Hebrew? God with us is what it means. Also, when the disciples asked Jesus what God looks like he said, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father." When Jesus physically left the earth he said he would send his spirit; the Holy Spirit to comfort us. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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This guy is retarded! Seriously! The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Hmmmmm, did not Jesus even say, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Murray does not teach against the trinity. Emmanuel "God with us". I mean come on bro, you are ignorant.
sverdeck 1 day ago
There were many times Jesus was asked about the "last days" and He never once says, "Relax, prior to any actions taken in the last days, I will return and take all my believers to a plcae where they will be kept safe." And Jesus spoke plainly. The "GOD of the Bible" is a clear distinction as to who GOD is. Saying the mormons and jehovahs use the same term is in reference to THEIR bible's, not the KJV Bible The churches of both those denominations, I have been to. Aint a Holy Bible to be found.
MrFelkner69 2 days ago
Just because the majority of so called chritians call shepards chapel a cult dont mean they are right...the bible cleary tells us the rapture is a lie and I will pray that you are no longer deceived by false rapture teachings....Our father comes on the 7th trump....the false antichrist will come on the 6th..false teachings have your mind buddy...and arnold murray does teach there is a enternal hell..u must a been dreaming
KrowMan1984 2 days ago
i doint think hes knows nothing either...........
55elvistcb 1 month ago
don't care for murray however you my friend are misleading others with your usage of the word rapture. Yes we will be gathered together ( believers in Christ ) at the final trump a.k.a. the Day of the Lord. The rapture theory teaches that Christians will be spared from a tribulation period which you ( Matt Slick) know is not taught anywhere in the Bible.Ouch.
mannuelable 1 month ago
Sir, you're a fool! You apparently have zero knowledge of the True Word of God. Please study your Bible and listen a little closer, you could learn something. Get out of your traditional views according to man and study the Bible! Folks like you tear down Christianity and will get everything you got coming to you all at once, after the Lord's Day is accomplished and you stand before the Heavenly Father!
gabs6311 2 months ago
This guy is a brainwashed catholic. He needs to wake up and stop following the traditions of men.
85superchris 2 months ago
this guy is a wack job he believes in the rapture lol,lol,lol the rapture is is false teaching... you rapture away ill stay here doing Gods work.... have fun on your rapture(dont forget to flap your arms )lol,lol
clydesdale001 2 months ago
This guy really needs to STUDY the the Word of God and maybe he can actually understand the scriptures!
kbvictory 3 months ago
Stick to your fiction novels and cheap one liner verses to make your point! Carm.org is nothing but a money begging site. Mike Slick is so out there in his way of thinking he confuses himself. Ive heard him say things and then do a 180 on what he just said just to get in you pocket. From Christian to Christian, let me just say, get your facts right! Fantasy world is where Mr. Slick lives!
texasrocker01 3 months ago
Arnold Murry states very often that he is a Christian! If you think being a Christian is being in a cult you have a problem. As far as him expaining words that are misinterpreted in the bible, you must know Greek or Hebrew to understand the correct meaning of them. You must not know Hebrew or Greek obviously. No man on this earth is perfect and some things may be preceived wrong by others. The only thing I can see you doing is criticizing others work. Judge not for one day yea shall be judged!
bear09871 4 months ago
I have watched him several times, one of his idiotic teahings is that angels come to earth in space ships. An that the nephliums are true giant angels and some how had sex with women, 20 time s smaller than them.
1952puddin 4 months ago
i do belive in a rapture of the church
and i can prove it to my study
murry says the last trump must be the 7th in rev no such thing
the trump of god that paul talk about is A O T trump to gather the church.
and it happens in a twinkel all you have to do is study numbers 10 ill do better ill e mail you some of my study ok
GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH 5 months ago
haha this guy works for kenites. pastor murray reads scripture verse on verse chapter by chapter with scripture interpeting scripture. this guy is foolish haha nice try kenites
mr44doom 5 months ago
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what do you want back up on besides this video murry is a doctrine right from saten him self
GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH 5 months ago
This video proves that any fool with a camcorder can make a fool out of himself worldwide. Pathetic...
ElCineHefe 6 months ago
I'm proud of my fellow good figs and our pastor. keep it up guys...it's getting close! Can u believe these guys?!
1Plunt 6 months ago
Wow this guy is SO out to lunch!
fnub 7 months ago
01320 TWOT - 291a בָּשָׂר basar Noun Masculine baw-sawr' from (01319) from ; flesh (from its freshness); by extension, body, person; also (by euphem.) the pudenda of a man:--body, (fat, lean) flesh(-ed), kin, (man-)kind, + nakedness, self, skin. This is the strongs def. For flesh Cains line did survive the flood.
Oneofthekings86 7 months ago
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And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. (Genesis 6:19 KJV)
Oneofthekings86 7 months ago
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? (Matthew 10:25 KJV). Keep it up Murray!!!
Oneofthekings86 7 months ago
Murray is a completely false teacher. I can't believe people are ignorant enough to fall for the hype. Pick up a Bible and actually read it yourself. Pick up a Strong's and you'll see that only SOMETIMES he gives a Strong's reference. He only does it when it fits his agenda at other times he outright lies. Show me in the Bible where God creates other races before Adam. Show me in the Bible how Cain's line survived the flood. Failure to provide scripture is false teaching.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
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You guys are a trip. I've been with Arnold Murray since day one and I've never heard him teach anything nothing the word of God teaches me not Arnold Murray. We read the bible. Thanks be to our heavenly father for truth and love through his son our Lord and savior. Come on people get with Gods word or be forever cast out!.
TheFarleyGordon 7 months ago
Arnold doesn't even talk about other pastors, because it would be a sin to gossip...
somekindonut 7 months ago
I don't know about Pastor Murry but Mathew 24 clearly shows there is no rapture. Also did you know the rapture theory was started in the early 1800's. You can't take the Bible a verse at a time out of context to fit what ever point you want to prove. The Bible also says we don't need any teachers, or to tithe. You sir need to read yours more.
fullmag556 7 months ago
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@fullmag556 Matthew 24 very explicitly teaches rapture.
"Matt 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
it is a post-tribulation rapture but a rapture nonetheless.
colbybraden 7 months ago
Why you not exposing ones askin for money all the time, Hinn, Popoff, Robertson, Steen, Copeland, TBN, PTL the list goes on. GOD's word says you can't have 2 masters GOD & mammom(money). Shepherd's Chapel never ask for money, maybe love offering. As far as the rapture goes, your quoting what Christ says for His 2nd Coming, People need to read Mathew 24, Mark 13 & Luke 21, Mathew & Mark say Jesus return is after the tribulation. Jesus says He 4told all things & rapture is'nt 1 of them. Peace2All
JimmyCarol100 7 months ago
This is sad. Niv guy probably
momma2jaxx 8 months ago
Satan has you sad to say.
jasonmildward 8 months ago
In regards to the rapture theory: To me personally, it is obvious that the rapture theory is a falsehood. All we need to do is recite the Lord's prayer. Our Father who art in heaven,( thy kingdom come, thy will be done, =on earth= as it is in heaven.) ok stop right there. The Lord is coming to set up his kingdom ON THE EARTH as it is in heaven. We are not all flying out of here. We wouldn't need the spiritual armor if we are leaving. We need it for the fight , not a flight. May God bless you all
stashbox1000 8 months ago
I am caution for what Arnold Murry teaches, I read the KJV bible myself, some of his teaching dosn't completely line up with scpitures. However, have any of you read Revelation Chapter 2 verses 18 to 28? It speaks about the prophetess Jezebel who commit fornication with the servants of G-D. Some modern versions of the bible translated the word fornication to sexual immorality or sexual sin. It means in spiritural sense, not a literal or phyiscal sense.
Flxiblemetro 9 months ago 2
Talking about a man (Arnold Murray) who has studied the word of God for 60 years, in all its original languages. Arnold Murray was studying the word of God when you were just an itch in your dad's pants.
BatterSplatter 9 months ago
Horray for Arnold Murray for speaking out the truth. These things may "sound" like "unorthodox doctrines" to the brainwashed multitudes of denominational Christians out there - including this guy. But Mr. Murray is light years closer to the truth than they will ever be. It takes a revelation from God to see the doctrine of the trinity is straight out of the pits of hell.
witums55 9 months ago
Rapture false. God tells us in all the bible how to prepare for the trib and what we will see during the trib. God tells the plagues not to harm those with his seal. Meaning WE ARE HERE. Why would God curse Eve giving birth and during conception if all she did was eat an apple? He would condemn her tounge or stomach not birth. If no sexual thing was accured, why did the fact of conception and birth get brought up by God? Why did he curse her with labor paines for eating an apple? Commen sense.
MattSpinksMusic 9 months ago
This man speaking in the video is clearly under romans chapter 11:8 and Mt 7:5 and Lk 6:42 and Lk 13:15... HYPOCRITE; Greek # 5273 from 5271; an actor under an assumed character (stage-player), a dissembler ("hypocrite")-hypocrite. Greek #5271 voice from # 5259 and # 2919; to decide (speak or act) under a false part, dissemble (pretend) KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PASTOR ARNOLD MURRY!!!
MrBudtcb 9 months ago
LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES DUDE YOU SUCK BIG TIME
theelectkickenass 9 months ago
I do not condone a single thing you have said, except for the fact that you are against the existence of the spawn of the fallen angels and human women. They are explicitly described in Genesis and other passages, and are taught to be the Nephilim.
Meraginjr 10 months ago
Who's paying this guy to say this stuff? I guess this guy is one of those fantasy teachers and not a truth teller. He must be losing his congragation.
msealy1976 10 months ago
I have ben studing with Pastor Arnold Murry only but a short time really (6 months) In that time i have learned more and truely understood more then i could have thought possible. His teachings and his wisdome, chapter by chapter verse by verse are truely a blessing
larryhogetvedt55068 10 months ago 7
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even false people have to say the truth somtimes to get people sucked in to a false doctrine
i use to study with him at one time also but he is a fake
he also said the end of the world is going to end in 1981 lol false prophet
GYPSYKNOWINGTHETRUTH 5 months ago
I feel so sorry for this man. Pastor Murry teaches stright from the Bible KJV. He tells his students to study for themselves, and to not listen to him (PM) or any other man because we are all responsible for what we believe. We will gather back to Christ after antichrist is defeated, not before. Jesus says satan has children are you saying Jesus is lying? Read Matthew, the whole chapter. Read II Thess chapter 2. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ.
justrosie1 10 months ago
...I was going to respond to this guys very clever deception with rebuttals...but if you listen carefully he uses the old serpants trick of "a drop of truth and a whole cup of poisen/lies...So let me just say....When ever you are in doubt, USE YOUR GIFT OF DISCERNMENT! example...you can "feel" the sincerity and genuiness of Pastor Murray....Looking at this slime bag within 2 seconds i felt icky....thats discernment. and if still in doubt...step back and just Ask our Father :)
rbrittne 11 months ago
It is K E N I T E, not keynit's..... see, these stupid "preachers" are ignorant.... and you people are going to listen to this quack.... so, why did EVE AND ADAM both wear the fig leaf, covering their private parts, after their encounter with satan? BOTH Adam and Eve were beguiled by satan...for if it was just Eve, she would of been covered, but they both covered themselves. Explain that too us....
PLithoMan 11 months ago
I hope no one is listening too this tool, he is going to send you right into the pit with satan..... he is preaching from a kenite "bible" the NIV... let's get back to the true Word of God, with the KJV.
Ezekiel 13:20 (King James Version) 20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
PLithoMan 11 months ago 2
You stupid, stupid, stupid misleading fool! God does start with the pulpit! I will pray for your kenite soul!
Romans 1:20 (King James Version) 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Get off your NIV, NASB or whatever bible you "preach" from...
PLithoMan 11 months ago
John 10:30 Jesus said I and my Father are one, so how do you explain that? In other words what does that mean? Jesus said that all manner of blasphemy and sin would be forgiven men except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit! What if Murray is right? I have the freedom in this country to believe whatever I choose, so don't you try and tell me what to believe about the Bible! I think that 1 Thess. 4:17 is taken out of context. Murray always says to think for yourself and to study God's word!
992Johnny 11 months ago
Man. It is amazing how slightly you twist things to sound true. Just one of the things that the Bible warns us about.
jimu57 11 months ago
You are wrong about Arnold Murray denying trinity. He has spoken on this many times.
jimu57 11 months ago
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HE TEACHES FROM THE BIBLE ....NOT MANS UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE ...HEBREW AND KING JAMES VERSION..Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
..Stop hatin
jeremymarlow 11 months ago
Matt, why don't you just teach the word and ignore what someone else is saying or doing. So much of this sounds like outright jealousy to me. I don't listen to what anyone says without checking it out for myself in my bible. Seems like you are spending a lot of time mud slinging. Why don't you teach chapter by chapter and verse by verse and quit wasting time complaing about someone else.
dreamweb707 11 months ago
You're entitled to your opinion.
mvmattheis 11 months ago
And Yes, Jesus will return with a shout and a trumpet -- the 7th trumpet. Jesus is not coming until there is a falling away of faith AND UNTIL THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED. The anti-Christ will be revealed BEFORE Jesus comes back. I'll get the book and verse for that too if you want. The rapture is a FALSE doctrine.
platformzero 1 year ago
Pastor Murray is not perfect, but he is a VERY GOOD BIBLE TEACHER. As for the rapture, Matthew 24:40 and 41 also seem to talk about the "rapture". If you also read Matt 24:39 which mentions the people that were taken away by the great flood, you will see that being taken away is NOT what we want. I challenge you to find the word "rapture" in the bible. It is not in there.
platformzero 1 year ago
@platformzero Correction: Pastor Murray is an EXCELLENT Bible teacher.
platformzero 1 year ago
all right Matt. Who cares what some of these others stated below. You are not judging as they. They judged you with unrighteous judgment. You made a judgment on a false teacher so that others would not follow something false. You will be persecuted for taking a stand.
thesacredcowtipper 1 year ago
he dont beg for money
twotimetes 1 year ago
Your claims are unfounded. You present no proof of what you say yet you wish Arnold Murray to do so. Why don't you practice what you preach? It is interesting that you quote the English translation of Greek and Hebrew and act as if it is scripture. Guess what? Jesus and his disciples did NOT speak or write English. Wake up!!
gmiller5227 1 year ago 2
Mat Slick like the Jew Grace Slick? Your a Jew and an Idiot. Grace has fashioned herself as artist lately. Maybe she could get you into her finger paint art therapy class. Do us all a favor and flush yourself.
JewCommunist 1 year ago
matt ur a hater!
kingod615 1 year ago
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no one likes you, look everyone said so^^
chrissyandjoey28 1 year ago
your stupid and your have a stupid sweater, and you try to use words that your not comfortable using, your just a dumb shit who don't know what he's talking about, so you go pretend that Jesus is gonna come and fly you away and go believe that the earth is only 6000 years old
DannyTags444 1 year ago
@DannyTags444 well said im gonna thumbs up you
chrissyandjoey28 1 year ago
Mr Matt Slick. Your statements you made are of satans workings to decieve Gods Children here on earth. You should remove your self from youtube because you are making a bad example right off the bat for Judgeing ( God hates that.
backcreekstone 1 year ago
@backcreekstone this man is dumb there is no eternal hell thats why when christ died mercy met justice for with repentness you are saved but without god has mercy to just destroy you and you are gone out of your misery god is a consuming fire what does it mean to consume to eat up to be no more why does it say eternal torment well for eternity you will be gone that is a torment think about not being for a minute thats eternal torment god gets no satisfaction making you scream and suffer forever
bgerst23 1 year ago
im not going to be rude, but u r wrong and u r a teacher of the devil telling others to stay away from the truth i know the truth and he speaks it.
colew7 1 year ago
But wut about Revolations?
I mean its was the last book in the bible logicly its kinda important....
revolations means to reveal.... we are to reveal it and the anti-christ comes before the REAL CHRIST ... wut about the seal and trumpets, see i dont count anything out when it comes to the bible because God is devine and the beginning and the end so... der ya as a christian imma take the word as a devine letter sent to me;)~
truejustice1 1 year ago
actually its 1st thessalonians 4:16 thru 4:18, not 4:15 you moron.... good try tho buddy... you'll get it someday....
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Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 -Um...what? lol
funkrocus 1 year ago
@funkrocus So what your saying to me then is that after this carcass is been rotting for say 10 years, you are going to come back to earth and crawl back into it. Murray is closer to the truth than you are, because St Paul said straight up that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. This mortal shall put on Immortal, this perishable shall put on imperishable. We shall be changed.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 i cant follow what your saying, no disrespect. And im not defending the guy making the video. I asked a Doctrinal question that Arnold makes, I never posted my beliefs. But I can recomend Dr. William Lane Crage-hope i spelled his name correct. I mean he does a lot of debates but idk you might like him, hes very on Point in a lot of ways, but tell me what you think. I don't know what kind of church your looking for. But respect-Godbless
funkrocus 1 year ago
@funkrocus I will check this guy out, i am looking for a church that teaches the way Pastor Murray teaches. Sing songs is nice, but way to much time is spent on songs, and gibbergabber, when i go to church i want to hear the word of God, not babel, or sermons. Don't tell me something without showing me where it is in the Word of God.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 awsome! ya your basicly looking for whats known as 'expository' type of churches prior to 'topical' style of teaching, like just doing a fancy sermon. Expository is just teaching verse by verse. As much as there is horrible churches out there, suprisingly theres a lot of Good churches within Reformed Theology you might like. And honestly its Really gonna be near impossible to find a similar church to sheperds chapel because that church has a number of unique doctrins
funkrocus 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 And im not just saying that to Con anyone to follow my oppionion, but you can tell when you open up Christian History and look into what the earlyer churches believed to get a proper scope of picking your kind of church. It can Help and maybe in your case it could at least help make things easyer. Shalom
funkrocus 1 year ago
@funkrocus I don't always agree with Pastor Murray 100%, but for the most part, i think he has more truth than most of the preachers in the church. I am sorry you all have nothing better to do than discredit him. Since neither Enoch, Elijah or Moses are here yet i will continue to listen to my Pastor, Pastor Murray. Thank You
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 keep being decived i wathched him for years cant fool me
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb How are we being deceived? is it because the Pastor believes we were at the First Earth Age. and were responsible for causing this age. I have no quames with Pastor Murray, what he believes is the closest i have found to the truth. Enlighten me my friend, where is it you think Pastor Murray is deceiving us???
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 how? if you cant reconize how badly he removes things from context everyday i cant help you pleas show me were there was three ages and that the races were created on the sixth day and what races and was there no sin before ah hahdam
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb of course there was sin, What about the overthrow of Lucifer. If their was no sin then why did Father destroy the Earth the first time. So what is your answer got a better one? Cain went to Nod and found himself a wife? If there were no others, then where did Cain find a wife in a foriegn land?? Answer????
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 cain went to nod and got a wife so it dosent say there were no others weree does it say the devil can make a body that has real sperm and can produce children threw one man sin came in to the world right
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Are not the so called exta terrestrials doing the same thing today, and trying to make a Hybrid species? Are we not created a little lower than the angels? Read Gensis Chapter 6 and then tell me what are the talking about. Gensis Chapter 3:15 I will put emnity between Thee and the women, and betweeen thy seed and Her Seed, It shall bruise thy Head and thou shall bruise His heel. Talking to the Devil who is the serpent, the old dragon, the devil. Seed is prostratity. Or progengy.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 becarefull of your interpitation please look up the word seed as it pretains to GOD as well in 1 john3.9 its the same word you guys use to support the iidea of progeney for the devil seed
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Yes, but in Gensis 3:15 whom is God Talking too is it not Satan, I hope you don't buy the fable of the two lovely people walking naked in the Garden talking to a snake in an apple tree. He said i repeat " I ( God speaking) will put emnity between Your seed ( the serpent ) and her seed ( the women meaning eve). correct me if this is wrong, because i believe that is the correct interpetation. Thank you my brother PTL
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 context context context words dont define a context the context defines the word brother
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb What is your point?? So if Yeshua is not returning to Earth? What is coming? I want to know what you denomination thinks is coming next, and i want to know why we have not had the millenium yet. Where is the sign of His Returning? You have lots of belly aching to do about Arnold Murray's teaching but no answers to any questions. God gave us a brain to reason with, i know that my own conclusions may be wrong, but a least i have some. You have shown me nothing.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 i never said jesus is not returning show me were the 1000 reighn is on earth Does father not say when the gospel is preached to the whole world then will the end come? where is the sighn of his comming read very carefully mat 24 luke 21 mark 13 who is jesus talking to yes that generation but you guys denie the whole context just like in acts when peter says this is that wich what was spoken by the prophet joel and it shall come to past in the last days acts 2 read it very carefully
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Acts chapter two is talking about the Day or Pentecost, and the tongue that was spoken their has not been heard in our World again since then. The apostles spoke in the native language, but everyone standing their heard them in their own dialect, it was a genuine miracle of God, not the babel you hear in the pentecostal churches of today.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 again you avoid the context he says this is that that would happen in the last days you cant avoid it it happen your trying to make something fit that you can not look bro i used to belive like you about the futre and all but i was not being honest i knew jesus said this but everyone says no he means that but i always knew it was wrong remeber there is audience context and time indocaters dont just write them off because your trying to make something you belive fit
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb caught yah it does not say that the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached to the whole world, and then the end shall come. My dear scripture lawyer it says" This gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached to the whole as a witness, and then shall the end come. It being preached by not a witness. 1 thessolians chapter 4. The Lord himself shall descend, means his feet will touch. Wow are you affraid of Yeshua or what, I believe personally as his death was personal, so shall his reign
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 caught me what. to the whole what. so what you think im scared of JESUS why now i dont get it i belive his death was personal and his second coming too. are you saying hes not reigning now he is very personal to me
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb My personal email is Mpl778@yahoo.com, if anybody here wants to converse one on one. Keep the Faith brothers and sister. looking forward to hearing from yah soon
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 thank you i will contact you with my number to speak becase i am horrible on typing i am also a RON PAUL supporter as well lol GOD BLESS brother
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb you Love to quote 1 john 3:9, but you never said anything about 1 John 3:12 which clearly says that Cain who was of that Wicked One, need i say more.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 because of what they do not who they are because jesus affirms they are abrahams decendents
tonyteb 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 extra terrestrials doing the same thing today, and trying to make a Hybrid species? chapter and verse please
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Gensis Chapter 6. Study the UFO subject, and abuduction cases, google Galatic Federation, tell me that is not the same old lie offered in the Garden,.. Same old thing new day. You might also check out the NWO. These are the days of the coming of the Son of Man, and they are exactly like the days of Noah. Pull yourself away from Murray for awhile and find out what is going on in our World today, and how close we are two the Rise or The Antichrist. Lucifer and Luciferanism.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 see now your going outside the word didnt jesus tell you i have told you all things were playing pin the tail on the antichrist like past generations because of a misinterptation of scripture i am well aware of the new world order but didnt jesus say you will have tribulation always in this world
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb When we say Antichrist we are talking about Lucifer and the Rise of Luciferanin One Worldism. It makes not difference what you or i believe. The powers that be have a plan, and they are determined to bring it about. Your bible is a guide book, but you must be aware of what is taking place in this time. Otherwise you are like the guy in the flood with the aid, the boat, and the Helicopter. We are to be wiser than the Serpent. Have you read the Book of Enoch, or Jasher?
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 but it does not matter what you or i say what an anti christ is i already know because the bible has already told me i have not read those books i have my FATHERS word he didnt leave anything out
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Please for my sake do a word study on the Word Logos, where we get out word logic from. We are Born again form the uncoruptubile seed which is the Logos, or word of God. Now if you wish to inject spema into that well good luck we are born again of the spirit not flesh, that which is flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit. We are the Dust of the Earth. God has planted his incorrubtible seed in us threw the Word of God. Do not be affraid to think for yourself .
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 what does lodos have to do with it your the one who belives seed means progeny look up the word in 1 jn same word as when speaking of the seed of the devil i no how were born again not because we were there before either
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb I say Logos and you change is to lodos what the heaven is that all about. No 1 john is speaking of the saints of God. Their is no need for me to present our case here because you have made up your mind about the whole preexistence doctrine. But is there not something in our Bible about God's election that he choose before the Foundations of the Earth?
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 i meant logos please post what 1 cor 15 vs 45 to 47 says and yes there is about election not because you were there but because He is God and knows all does it not also say the lamb who was slayed before the foundations of the world does that mean JESUS was slayed before the earth was created
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Permission to read Book of Jasher the upright. Joshua 10:13, and 2 Samuel 1:18 Permisson to read Book of Enoch is Jude 14.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 please show me a scripture were you were in another age what about the overthrow of lucifer
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Why does God say be fruitful, multiply, and replenish the earth. Why the book of Ecclesiastes, say the body goes back to the dust, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. St Paul said " To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Father is the eternal self existant one. We have been here for roughly 6000 years is it not arognant and stupid to assume from before tell man he did nothing. Rather short sided of You.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 im not sure what your point is again
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Replenish by default means the earth was populated before Salmon, and St paul make it very clear that we are more than a physcial body. God is eternal and for us to say that we are the whole of his creation is to be arrogant at best. Do you believe that the universe is only 6000 years old?
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 i dont know how old the universe is and niether does anyone else please tell me were you get replenish from strongs
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb look it up, it is strongs word, #4390. For one who says we should follow the writen word you sure seem to have lots of objections when it comes to actually taking the bible at face value. i did not say replenish the earth Father did. And you still have not told me what is coming?? Perhaps you will follow the ET's to Accension to the next stage of our Evolution. I am fair i have read your Perterist Books. Where is Yeshua now is He hear with us? Has Ever eye seen him
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 what is comming what ?did not jesus say the kingdom of God is within you. you still have not answered about the seed when it pretains to God in 1st jhon the word means sperma or prgeney Father says it not me Father says only 8 souls were saved not me father says through one man sin comes into the world. Jesus says some of you standing here will not taste death till you see the son of man coming in his power are there people 2000 years old. what preterist books have you read if i may
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb 1. Yes, so lets let it out. 1john3:9 must refer to spiritual seed, Since the fall took plsce the souls of only those of Noah's Family were unpoluted. And Cain's seed line is not of Adam, so you draw your own conclusions on that one. As far as the 2000 year thing, God took Enoch and Elijah, do they not still have a job to fullfill. God is capable. Last Days According to Jesus RC Sproul, and End time delusions by Richard Abanes. and one other which i cannot remember right now.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 oh now we must make it a spirtual seed thats not what it means in the greek
tonyteb 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 i do take it a face value i reject evolution and im fair because i listen to murray for years he makes things up out of thin air what does ezikel ch13 vs 24 an 25 say look in the king james and tell me he qotes it when spekinh about the rapture teaching
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb No 24 or 25 in my bible. but he has a 1611 i don't know if it is in there? Ezk 13 is talking about Astral Projection, or as they call it now Quantum Jumping. But Rapture Doctrine can also fit in that Catagory
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 i have the 1611 kjv myself your funny astral projection huh wow context means nothing at all to murray foloweres you still never answer any of my ? anyway 24 and 25 are not there he makes it up lets stick with the Word lets not go to extreme ideas toatally outside the bible ch and verse
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb i listen to my tapes on 1 Thessolians, and found no mention to any 24. or 25 verse of Ezk chapter 13
So it appears you lied to me again. it appears you have no trouble lying to anyone to make a point, now who is the false prophet.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 why when jesus says this generation you guys say no that generation why when it says only 8 souls were saved you say no only 8 adamic souls were when clearly thats not what it says why when jhon says the antichrist is already in the world time is at hand this is the last our in his generation you guys dont belive it
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Which generation? The one that saw the destruction of the temole or the one that witnessed the rebirth of Israel The object of the passage is the Fig tree, or National Israel. 8 souls yes, but it also says he took to of all flesh, where not the kenites flesh. So lastly if you believe Antichrist is come and gone, what are we to expect next????
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 which generation i think when you read it you know what generation he speakes always a problem for the futerist i know but keep it in context that fig tree has nothing to do with isreal in luke it says fig tree and all the trees and in mathew Jesus curses the fig tree never to bear fruit a gain
tonyteb 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 again what; those other flesh had no souls ? who is being short sighted now genisis chapter 9 read it again if i belive hes come and gone i didnt say FATHER says 1 jn 4.3again 1st jn 2. 18 please explain you have offered me nothing as well in terms of well reason answers i would love to speak some time if possible in CHRIST Tony
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Why did God want to completly destroy the peoples of the Holy Land, surely their was more going on their than is written? I am not sure what it is your looking for as regards to the scriptures in 1 John. AsSarek said in the Voyage. it is diffucult to answer when one does know the question. Email me with you question and i will give you my answer not Pastor Murray's
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 your presupisition keads you to belive more was going on then what was written and thats my point you go beyond
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb You go on and on about Noah's family only serviving the Flood. The Kenites are mentioned after the flood, but what about the Giants, like Goliath, the Sons of Anak, the Rephaimites, and the real evidence that they actuallly did exist. Utube video's on Giants and the Nephilim. Lots of information on the Annanaki. whould would be the Anakaim of the Bible. Or the Sons of Anak. How they survive the Flood?
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 i dont say God says it read geninis nine to find out were they came from its clearley there brother
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Its Chapter 10 and their is no mention of Kenites in these passages. So once again i feel you are trying to pull the wool over my eyes. and i can only ask why? In chapter 15 however God says to Abram that he will give his descendants the Land of the Kenites, and other peoples of the Rephaims.ie gaints. This is a mystery to me. As to why God wanted them all destroyed. What say you??
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 correct 10 1vs 1to 5 your right there is no kenites mentioned there By these were the isles of the gentiles divided into there lands evryone after his tounge after there familys in there nations reconize by WHO SHEM HAM AND JAPETH
tonyteb 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 why would God have them leave a land so they wouldnt get desrtoyed latter in the bible and why the other people get desroyed too
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb I am talking about why was God against the Caananites? Since you don't believe the Kenites came through the flood.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 why does he judge all nations disobeience gen 6 vs 5and God saw the that the wickedness of MAN was great in the earth and that every imagination of the thoughts of his HEART was ONLY evil contiually
tonyteb 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 oh yea gen ch 9 vs 19 please post what it says there
tonyteb 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 again you showed me no scripture
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb Lucifer is called the Annointed Cherub, which means before he fell he gaurded the mercy seat, and when he fell he became Satan, the Advesary, why do you think they are called Fallen Angels?
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 i dont understand your point
tonyteb 1 year ago
@tonyteb When did this take place? You give me nothing, but dah, i don't understand your point???
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@tonyteb Isaiah chapter 14:12-18 Did Lucifer fall before Adam was created, or after.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
Thank you so much for confirming the smell of a false prophet! Years ago I lived in one of the small communities in Idaho, where it is hard for a christian to find a good church. I started watching sheperds chapel and for a while things didn't seem odd untill someone wrote in and confessed they lived with someone for 10 years and asked if they were living in sin, Arnold said that God did not see them living in sin. I turned the channel and never looked back!
robicarm 1 year ago
@robicarm Wow, that is a difficult question to answer, i probably would have answered the same way, without knowing the specfic conditions of the relationship after all discretion is the better part of valour. Judge not and all that. Why were you so quick to judge. He probably answered it that way to skirt the issue. Because God is the judge not us. Truthfully we are all living in sin. Yeshua did not judge the women caught in adultery, why is it the Pastor job to judge these guys
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 I'am not trying to judge for the purpose of condeming anyone who lives together, but they clearly admitted they were living together and wanted someone that would justify the relationship. We can't always use the excuse "don't judge" to excuse ourselves from sin. Many people I know use that line to manipulate others in order to achieve their desires in life. How then would you adress what the scripture says to be right?
robicarm 1 year ago
@robicarm I agree; but we don't have to cohabitat to commit fornication. And i am saying i would have not been able to judge, because i do not know the circumstances and i am no window peaker. I would have told them that God knows, and went futher to state what God said about marriage and fornication, But also where does it say anywhere in God's Word that you must seek a civil ceremony to be offically married? I judge no one in that venue because i am so far from perfect myself i have no room
Mrpl778 1 year ago
i am no supporter of arnold murray but i dont belive in the rapture either
tonyteb 1 year ago
Lol , guess what chief , yer getting caught up in semantics vs the Trinity. God is omnipotent and omniscient (u genius) ofcourse he can appear as 3 seperate entities ...it doesn't mean that he is actually 3 seperate entities at all times lol
hilarious
Wonglow 1 year ago
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@Wonglow you dont even know the difference
tonyteb 1 year ago
The real Arguement isn't about the Rapture don't get sucked into that Conversation to avoid the issue. I ask this Question, How do you 'Arnold followers' believe that Satan got into Heaven????
funkrocus 1 year ago
@funkrocus As a Christian how do you explain to a non believer where Heaven is????? i cannot, it is thought it is above the Earth? How do you explain the Galatic Federation? Technically are they not in the Heavens???
Are they not the Demons of Old?? Why must they wait until Disclosure comes. Interesting to note is that the word Disclosure means to Reveal. I'm just saying sounds a lot like 2 thess Chapter 2 to me. Maybe i am all wrong, and why are ET's so interested in making Hybrids??
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 Its another Dimension , its not "in the sky"
Wonglow 1 year ago
@Wonglow Ok This really kills me this guy here says that Heaven is in another Dimension which we cannot see, or feel or touch except by the spirit. yet he comes along and says we are going to enter this dimension in our flesh bodies. What is wrong with this thinking, and whatever happened to Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Gottha Pastor Murray is right again
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Wonglow Not another Dimension as it is another time. Which we will soon run into.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@funkrocus God created satan IN heaven; satan guarded the mercy seat before he decided he wanted to sit in it. How do YOU think he got in to heaven?
whickerwoodwork 1 year ago
@whickerwoodwork -I know that. They believe Satan Is in Heaven NOW...rev12. So, thats why I ask how he got up there a 2nd time? if you don't know where Im coming from then you probly havent hered Arnold try to explain it.
funkrocus 1 year ago
The destruction of the soul is accurate in the bible, after the great white throne judgement, woe to those that teach each other to fly to save their soul is accurate. wholly beguiled means sexually seduced and the sons of God did take wives, it states that in genesis. Luckily the real teacher who is Yeshua will return after the antichrist to straighten these false teachings and teachers out.
CJ7383 1 year ago
This dude is a joke, what is ur view carm, traditions of man can lead one astray. i guess praying to mary in catholicism is right or using scripture to fit your interpretation is right as well. where does it say the word rapture in the bible and the verse you are talking about when the dead should rise in christ first happens after the last trumph has blown and the dead are already with christ. and also God knew us before the foundations of this world, so we did exist before now
CJ7383 1 year ago
Dude the Rapture is NOT!!! clearly taught in the scripture...LOL One side bashing the other....using a text here and there to prove their side.....If you say the the Pre Trib Rapture is 100% truth and you got it all figured out....I would say you are a Liar also...as you charge Arnold Murray as being.... The truth is Yeshua is Lord....and most people talk out their butt... :)
ThePatriotNationNews 1 year ago
You realize your teeth are the same color as your "V-Neck" sweater? Pedophiles are known to favor the "V-Neck"...Hmmmmmm.
charliesballbag 1 year ago
Without giving too much credit to carm... anyone interested in the real definition of a cult ought to go and read essentials and non essentials on carms web site .. watch some of Walter Martins ( R.I.P.) videos online or get his book "kingdom of the cults " where he defines what a cult really is or isn't as per orthodox christianity .If you like arnold murry cuz he's cute ..walter was a cute old guy too .. just a lot smarter
zwreckless1 1 year ago
Sadly most christians are woefully ignorant and saved . or only christian in name alone ,they are in constant error and flounder because of their own ignorance . A charasmaticly interesting guy like this comes alone and he basicly bullies immature or unlearned christians into following his non-biblical nonsense..these guys speak 83% correct doctrinely and add17% of pure poison ..next people are lining up for the kool-aid spiritually .like gene scott , hagee,..little dictators on an ego trip..
zwreckless1 1 year ago
@zwreckless1 A little respect would be nice here for the Late Pastor Scott who really had a heart toward God, if you would listen to him ounce. He used to say that he had only one area of his life he was certain of and that was the ressurection of Yeshua, and everything else was gray and up for interpetation. Scriptually of Course. I loved that cigar smoking crazy man. He was always entertaining, and not affraid to search for truth. He's home now so you cannot hurt him anymore.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
@Mrpl778 You need to stop defending these guys murry has a gun .. he doesn't need or want you defnding him , gene scott I thought was an amazingly interesting well spoken and a good teacher , his videos on the reserection are very strong .biblically ..As far as a bully sorry i'm jamming him in the same catageory as hagee and murray..U say i can't hurt him .? what does that mean ? as for if gene scott is theologically correct ?? .. Murray is a side show unto himself . too much ego run amuck
zwreckless1 1 year ago
@zwreckless1 Pastor Murray may be smart, but charasmatic, that funny? And Dr Scott was so not charasmatic.
if you want to see charasma, look to Benny HInn, and others. Dr Scott was the last man in the faith who would have ever said to follow him to the kool aid, he believed strongly in self determination, and freedom, so does Arnold Murray. He says do not trust any man, not even himself without checking him out.
Mrpl778 1 year ago
God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit, are the Holy Trinity; But they are also one in the same. This is not some unpardonable sin to believe this.
whickerwoodwork 1 year ago
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whickerwoodwork 1 year ago
wow dude, you have a cool voice; but what comes out of your mouth is garbage. You, and all of the "sources" you have researched online are spreading lies. Do you know what Emmanuel means in Greek or Hebrew? God with us is what it means. Also, when the disciples asked Jesus what God looks like he said, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father." When Jesus physically left the earth he said he would send his spirit; the Holy Spirit to comfort us. Why is this so hard for people to understand?