what the hell are these gay men dating and getting engaged to women for ... I don't get it. Did any one ever ask this Menelli guy ... what the hell was he doing getting married to a girl, she was a girl compared to him .
@onstageagain I don't know how old You are, but times were REALLY different. Yuo're Right , a healthy gay man or woman would not go with the opposite sex. However, Minnelli was brought up very old fationed Sicilian Caltholic, and his career later at Metro made "coming Out"a nightmare, leaving town. Entire Family abandonment. Another part was lack of knowlege and understanding, beyond bigotry. Imagine being a big Producer, 1mil a year, you're gay but you are s terrified straight
@IToldHimNotToDoIt Im 47, Rock Hudson was gay... he didn't get married. I could mention others. However, no one ever ask these guys, what the hell are you thinking ... Like catholic priest , they thought being a monk would make the urge for men would go away if they prayed a lot. also the people in the business knew these guys were gay. So ... Im still confused. What the hell are they thinking...
At 4:51 she looks stuninngly beautiful. (Is it just me or does she kinda resemble Katherine Heigl in that pic?) RIP Judy Garland, she had true talent unlike actresses nowadays.
There was no "love affair" with Artie Shaw. Shaw regarded her as a little sister, and although she wanted more than that, it never happened. Their relationship never went beyond friendship. Shaw broke Judy's heart by running off with Lana Turner; their friendship ended after that.
@cinderelmo they lead themselves to do it...... not from judy..... bye, youtube arguements are an waste of time.you said what you said, now it was my time to say what i said,and i say, it's over to be done with, and i don't care what it is you have to say.
judy was such an sweetheart,the way i look at it. lindsay lohan messed up her own life, it's her own fault,however Judy side is an different story after watching this. i don't feel sorry for lindsay at all,not one pity cry, but i sure do feel sorry for Judy,makes me wanna cry myself.Lindsay isn't suffering the same fate as Judy,she has her own personality.which is called herself, just like Judy, they're both totally different people,in separate ways.Lindsay lead herself onto this...not Judy.
judy is nothing like lindsay lohan... judy at the time was an beautiful talented young lady who can act and sing wonderfully.
HOW DARE YOU compare someone like that to her. Living Legend, you can look but don't touch. still wish she was here, miss her truely. she will be remembered by lots and lots of fans who remembered her in her most famous film the wizard of oz.
@123sweetgigimusic Judy was such a classy lady if anything Judy would be giving that girl Lindsay Lohan advice and come on everyone is acting like Judy Garland was this tragic person when she really was not there is a reason why her daughter, Liza seldom talks about her mom Judy cause she says she was funny not a tragedy even Lucille Ball said herself Judy Garland is so funnier than I am she makes me look like a mortician.
@cinderelmo whatever. they are totally different people, in separate lifes. lucy had her own life. liza has her own life. Lindsay has her own life. and Judy had her own life. point here is everybody has or had their own life.. and they lived it an entire different way. they can say all they want, how things can happen to relatively towards one another, but, that's not the way it goes here.
@cinderelmo judy doesn't need lindsay lohan's advice.. she already had it all along in the song somewhere over the rainbow, just from being in the wizard of oz. just listen to it. can't just compare people, HELLO, they're not the same people. all of them you might think aren't.i'll admit, lucy and judy were funny,but i get an laughing kick outta lucy. everybody loves lucy. i love lucy. lolz.
@cinderelmo they can go thru situations that happen to them just like they have, and feel their pain tentatively, but everything happens in different ways, that only they can help themselves to realize.
@luislarios13 Hmm somewhat she looks like Alyssa Milano but Judy's looks changed through out her career but I think Britney Spears cause of her sad doe eyes remind me a lot of Judy and her daughter Liza but when Judy lost weight and had more angular features and less round features looked a lot like Natalie Portman, Anne Hathaway may play her in a movie but shes to tall, Judy was only 4'11. She should play Liza instead.
@cinderelmo one more thing, she is nothing compared to like britney spears, i'm an fan of her's just like i am to judy, different life's , different people, different situations, that they are to go thru. only they can help themselves, if they truely want it. with the help of their family and friends to guide that person, they can really see, that they can do it, by all to themselves.
Wait, so this is why she's an icon to gay men? Because she had relationships with gay men because she was traumatised by her father? What nonsense; someone shed some light please.
@ForeverEJ21 I won't disagree with that because it's hard for anyone to compare to Judy Garland. However you can't disagree that Lindsay doesn't deserve to suffer the same fate as Judy.
Unfortunately Linday Lohan is the next Judy Garland. Both beautiful, talented, horrible families/backgrounds, started out in show business as little girls, became drug addicts because of family and show business, have gotten into alot of trouble, and looked much better they way they did before. Let's just hope Lindsay doesn't suffer the same fait as Judy and dies. I still love Lindsay I remember that beautiful talented redhead. Let's pray she finds the right path.
@M4xXyWDW4lif3 I think her mother plays a huge role and her death. She started taking drugs when she was 8, 5 years before she became a star and met Louis B. Mayer and signed a contract with MGM.
The younger you do drugs it changed your brain chemistry permanently, & its even harder/impossible to get off of them when your older. Poor Judy wasnt even allowed to say no more shots/drugs.
once a guy in the entertainment business got judy garland to give him a blowjob because he wanted to hear her sing 'somewhere over a rainbow' through a mouthful of semen.
Sadly "Over the Rainbow" affected her as well later in life-when she allowed for volunteers for the singing-it was always that song they wanted-she did so many others though-but she is only best known for Wizard of Oz.
Does anyone ask what the "root cause" of the personality disorder other than blaming family members. Is it possible that competitive faculties in capitalism and western society led to doing whatever it took to succeed in that industry? I think so.... "be successful or be a loser... if you don't succeed at this you will be a loser for the rest of your life" (her mom). Let me know what you think.
Easy... she was under pressure to succeed. Controlling behavior by using these pills brought about a positive result (in the short term). Too much pressure to perform and capitalistic competitive nature is what drives people to use whatever means necessary to succeed... (i.e. steroids, uppers, downers, etc.). If you want to differentiate yourself use drugs to change your physiology. We are still doing it today. Performance enhancement... geez it's not brain surgery.
I'm often atrracted to gay men or men who are preceived as gay. I think very sensitive women often are. It's hard enough to a woman and it's double whammy to be a sensitive damaged woman. Natrually you will not be attracted to seemingly agressive men. I'm sad things didn't work out for her and vincent he was good to her.
when you're a poor drug-addict, the addiction is all your fault..... when you're a famous celebrity, the addiction is caused by inheriting 'an addictive personality'.
@Uprising771 she didn't have addictive personality, she was given pills by her mother to work non stop and the system encouraged it. in that respect it wasn't her fault.
Wow...I never knew one of the most famous movie star best known to be in such a happy movie lived one of the best known sad stories of all time. I wish she is happy know in heaven where she will be with her father and never be able to see her mother again.
I think people try to blame too much on actors parents without understanding why the parents themselves acted the way they did and the differences in the way people acted in different times
I thought this was a a movie ond Judy; not some biased crusade on and personal war on psychotropic medication... I hate this stupid movie.............
I wonder why they didnt mention in this Bio that MGM Had Judy Get a Abortion of the child that came from her fist marriage to keep her "good girl" persona. It was somthing they day haunted her for the rest of her life. :(
I wonder if thass why they call drugs 'dope'...because of 'the reward pathway' triggering the release of dopamine!!Seems to make sense to me!!What DOESN'T ring true,is all those people saying that they didn't know it was all habit forming and bad for you...you only have to look at the effects that those chemicals had on the person taking them,to recognise the inherent adverse characteristics displayed!!
I just don't understand why MGM or someone wasn't held responsible for her addiction or anything. I understand that those people back then didn't understand the effects of it but I can't help but feel unsettled knowing that the people who are to blame aren't.
That poor girl. I don't care if Louie B. Mayor didn't know what he was doing! It killed her :( She might be alive today if she didn't take them pills.... R.I.P Judy :'( x
@Kari166 Sorry, ignorance will not work with me. Everyone is born with basic instincts. Everything doesnt need to be spelled out for us. Mayer and his type come from that group that danced around the golden calf. They worship money, and that zeal blinded them to the truth. Dont want to sound all preachy, but that is the way it was. That is the way it is.
Human beings werent as stupid as you make them sound back then. Big money and the monetary system has already destroyed us.
Mayer ruled over MGM as a big family -- with Mayer as the paternalistic authority, rewarding loyalty and obedience, punishing insubordination, and regarding opposition as personal betrayal.
At Mayer's funeral, Jeanette MacDonald sang, "Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life," and Samuel Goldwyn, the founder and former head of the Goldwyn Company, reportedly quipped, "The reason so many people showed up at his funeral was because they wanted to make sure he was dead."
I blame the MGM studio more than anybody. Feeding her all those pills and using her as their cashcow. Some modern actress said:"Hollywood can chew you and spit you out within a few years."
Of course since Judy was a young actress she had no say in Hollywood, especially not at the time.
@McLarenMercedes it wasn't only MGM's fault. It was her mother who wanted her to be a star in the first place!! it was MGM who recommened her the drugs, but her mom didn't care what it took, she just wanted the money!
The reason why gay men married woman was that the studios tried to cover up the fact that they were gay. Im very curious about old hollywood and have many books about the subject. They would put gay men with lesbian women..or with women who had to real interest in marrying. And of course their we're gay men trying to hide the fact and though marrying a woman would help. Things were so different back then. Not like today where everyone feels safe about coming out.
Doesn't anyone get the feeling of guilt of enjoying her films, and her songs, and her dancing, knowing that all of it couldn't have been made if it was not from Judy Garland's pain? She was unhappy all the way, every step of the way yet we adore her.
Did they really not know that the pills were habit forming or bad? Truly? It's not exactly normal for 19 year olds to pass out from exhaustion. They just didn''t CARE! As it was mentioned earlier, she was a commodity not a person. So sad. When you consider she was in show biz from age 2 until her death, it makes me think "My God, no wonder her little body just gave out!"
@andreaburnett I agree, and the same with Marilyn Monroe. I don't understand either how doctors did not know pills were habit forming. To the best of my knowledge now to be approved by the FDA a drug has to be tested for a certain amount of years. I think it all comes down to money, and the mother didn't help either. Just my opinion.
@AC6773 of course they knew...but they were bought and paid for by the studios...the studios hired publicists to hide the fact that many stars were addicts
ask yourself this...if they didnt know, why did they hide her pill usage?
@froghabyea That was my first reaction too, until I thought about my children laughing and having fun, getting excited about the characters as they appeared on screen, and how I myself get caught up in the fun of the movie. It would never be the classic it is today if it weren't cherished by so many in the same way. I think she cried because she knew she wasn't the studios first pick, and she was very nervous about it and feeling rejected, when in reality she will be forever loved!
Mickey Rooney didn't escape the addiction as assumed here - but he was able to stop. And this is the first time I've heard that her father was a "drunk".
@friendsfamilyaccount I took the statement about Mickey Rooney being able to escape the addiction, as him being able to overcome it, not that he was never addicted at all. What Judy Garland biographers are they referring to when they said her father was a drunk? Does anyone know?
Nevermind, I just realized that the biographers they are referring to, are the two biographers in this documentary. The woman in red, and the man later on. Terribly trashy of them to bash her so
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addictive personality? Who is this glib bitch commentator here does she think everyone like her is born into standard middle class normal happiness some of us prefer to be addicted than miserable cunt!!
mgm, I feel is the reason why she is gone!, They Did her wrong and she'd still be living to this day if it wasn't for them.. I'll never look at MGM the same, Ever!
what a shame you two - airman317 and sprinklfriend - dragged us all through those comments with you. How about we start commenting on the wonderful talen of Judy Garland again and the documentary we are watching?
Being a lesbian did not lead to Judy's death. That's just plain stupid. Yes, Judy had lesbian affairs, but that has nothing to do with her death. Her years in show business, her bad marriages, her dad's death and her mom's overbearing nature, her alcohol and drug dependency were all to blame for her death. Next time think before displaying your ignorance.
I'm repeating what I heard on AMC, nothing to think about. Somebody else made the actual statement. I'm not a fan except I got her Easter Parade thing for my daughter at a used video store cheap.
i know the definition of addiction. besides studying drug abuse as part of my social work degree, i also was taught about addiction and dependence.
when i said i "need" them, i mean that i take them when needed for an actual reason other than getting high, and that changes how the meds affect you. i don't "need" them in the sense that i'm popping pills all the time, and i do NOT crave them.
and i really will die young. i'm very sick, it has nothing to do with meds.
my cognitive abilities (writing, reading, memory) were damaged during the brain surgery i had six months ago today. that's on top of the many maintenance meds i'm on, and experts at Johns Hopkins are amazed i can make any sense at all. i'm doing as well as i can.
you try having your brain damaged when you had a 3.9 GPA and tested in the top 98% of the nation. it sucks, and knowing i may never fully recover sucks even more.
Still doesn't give you carte blanche to be asshole. Like I said, you should probably be more clear in your statements. I try not to have my brain damaged, thank you very much, and I'm sorry if I'm not taking out my violin and playing a mournful tune for you. You seem to have enough cognitive ability to type and conjugate sentences so you're on the right path.
how does wondering why narcotics are addicting to some people & not others make me an asshole?
and frankly i don't care about your sympathy... i was explaining why i wasn't more clear in the beginning.
and if you look at my original comment, that was a MONTH ago. of course i've made progress in that amount of time. through writing sentences over & over and playing that memory/matching game kids play.
and i try not to damage my brain too - but i got a tumor. it could happen to you, too.
Those comments made a month ago aren't displayed after so many people comment afterwards. You displayed classic addict behavior in your statements. And I quote, "weird how i'm on the most powerful narcotics there are on a daily basis - all legally - yet it isn't addicting to me,". That is akin to' "I smoke crack every day and I'm not hooked". Brain tumor or not you're still hooked. If you stopped using narcotics how uncomfortable would you be?
i added "all legally" because i've had people think it was off the street, not by prescription.
i've gone longer than 2 weeks with nothing because the pharmacy couldn't get the meds in stock - and i had NO WITHDRAWAL EFFECTS WHATSOEVER. nothing.
so although the underlying pain from my disease was still there, i wasn't uncomfortable in ANY other sense. i can go without the meds, but take them to help with the pain i'm in.
Excuses, excuses. I can't believe that people would think that you slamming opiates would be doclor recommended. As in, "No man, I swear I have a perscription for this." says the man in the greasy chair with his arm tied off and the needle in his arm.......nods off into drug induced stupor.....You aren't fooling anyone buddy.
how is taking something as prescribed "slamming opiates"?
you clearly made up your mind from the start, without any intention of listening to the facts. you think you know better than i when it's my life and quite clearly you've proven yourself to be ignorant when it comes to this topic - until you've been through the pain management classes and had thorough instruction on this, you should keep your mouth shut.
say what you want. i don't have time to deal with you - so continue being ignorant.
First off, I would like to apologize to you. It has become clear that you have an illness. I was trying to just be an asshole and I'm sorry. Good luck with your brain cancer thing and I hope you don't experience any ill effects when you kick the junk.
thanks. but there's nothing to kick, unless that's what you would call stopping any other medication used properly & as directed (heart medication which i'm also on, anti-depressants, chemo, etc.)
and to go with my very first comment, judy clearly was NOT taking them as prescribed. that's the difference between taking something and abusing it - you either do it as the doctors instruct, the RIGHT WAY which is NOT ABUSE, or you choose to abuse them. i've chosen not to.
ask any pain management specialist - if you're taking these medications for SEVERE PAIN, they don't have the same effects that they do if you're not in pain. and even if they did, the pain would outweigh any "good" feeling. and if that isn't the case, you aren't in enough pain to need the meds.
in the wizard of oz, she was supposed to be a "little girl" but i think everyone sees dorothy as a 15-16 year old no matter what the original novel said. i don't think Frank L Baum even mentioned dorothy's age.
I see alot of what Judy went through happening, sadly, with Britney Spears. Controlling stage mom, agents exploiting her, ulimtately getting hooked on drugs and alcohol, being pushed...I just hope Brit stays alive and doesn't fall off again.
I didn't realize any of this, especially about Judy's father being gay or that Vincent Minnelli was gay. It would explain Liza's marriages, one to a man who died of aids and David Gest, who I presume is gay.
No No....basically like all of us that have an orgasm for the first time....we realize that we are going to everything we can do get as many as we can.
Judy Garland was and is a true icon. She had such a tragic life led into the drain by her mother and her studio. Though she lived a short life she lived a truly epic life. Everything she ever touched turned to gold except her own personal life. She was a fantastic person and performer. Love her, lover her, love her!!!! May her memory live on forever.
I don't think Vicente Minelli was gay. Maybe bi at the most, but he was married 4 times and his stepdaughter once said he always dated a lot of attractive women. I think it's annoying when people just state stuff as fact they don't have proof of.
I'm not saying that this documentary is actually true...but a lot of men in the public eye who are gay, and are worried that they're reputation will be at risk if anyone knew, will marry, or date beautiful women to discourage anyone from thinking that they're gay.
Whether he was or not, it might be that only he knew for certain. There are plenty of people who learn late in life that they're gay (from having denied it, or having tried too hard to 'live straight'.). Gay people can go on to have children before realizing, "You know what? I can't do this anymore." Back then, they didn't really have that luxury, and had to be much more discreet.
As TCM exposed, Robert Stack recalled dating her when, as a teen, she was already breaking down. A doctor urged at least a year off, at which point - based on Stack's remembering his time in the Garland home - Judy's mother said, "What she needs is to be locked in a closet for a few days," and Louis Mayer made it clear that she, Judy, was studio property and would go on working.
"Judy Garland dabbled in a whole rainbow of little colored pills, innocently skipping down her own yellow brick road into the tangled forest of addiction."
...kindof ridiculously put...
poor judy, she shouldnt have deserved anything like that. no one should.
I think some of us realize this is just someone''s version of her life. No one really knows, except her and maybe her daughter, some of her mom's life. We all have some tragedy in our lives. And Hollywood is grueling and cruel.
In a state of great emotional distress, she aborted their baby in Mexico, because Power's wife wouldn't give him a divorce. When word got back to Tyrone their relationship was over.
7:38 From that angle, Judy looks ALOT more like Diana Shore!
BlackStarPrincess200 2 weeks ago
what the hell are these gay men dating and getting engaged to women for ... I don't get it. Did any one ever ask this Menelli guy ... what the hell was he doing getting married to a girl, she was a girl compared to him .
onstageagain 2 weeks ago
@onstageagain I don't know how old You are, but times were REALLY different. Yuo're Right , a healthy gay man or woman would not go with the opposite sex. However, Minnelli was brought up very old fationed Sicilian Caltholic, and his career later at Metro made "coming Out"a nightmare, leaving town. Entire Family abandonment. Another part was lack of knowlege and understanding, beyond bigotry. Imagine being a big Producer, 1mil a year, you're gay but you are s terrified straight
IToldHimNotToDoIt 1 week ago
@IToldHimNotToDoIt Im 47, Rock Hudson was gay... he didn't get married. I could mention others. However, no one ever ask these guys, what the hell are you thinking ... Like catholic priest , they thought being a monk would make the urge for men would go away if they prayed a lot. also the people in the business knew these guys were gay. So ... Im still confused. What the hell are they thinking...
onstageagain 1 week ago
At 4:51 she looks stuninngly beautiful. (Is it just me or does she kinda resemble Katherine Heigl in that pic?) RIP Judy Garland, she had true talent unlike actresses nowadays.
ShesCruzen 2 weeks ago
There was no "love affair" with Artie Shaw. Shaw regarded her as a little sister, and although she wanted more than that, it never happened. Their relationship never went beyond friendship. Shaw broke Judy's heart by running off with Lana Turner; their friendship ended after that.
cynthiacher 3 weeks ago
@tigereyes5 On the contrary, Judy is an icon for gay men because of her support of her gay fan base, as well as her song "Over the Rainbow".
holycrap225 1 month ago
@cinderelmo they lead themselves to do it...... not from judy..... bye, youtube arguements are an waste of time.you said what you said, now it was my time to say what i said,and i say, it's over to be done with, and i don't care what it is you have to say.
123sweetgigimusic 1 month ago
judy was such an sweetheart,the way i look at it. lindsay lohan messed up her own life, it's her own fault,however Judy side is an different story after watching this. i don't feel sorry for lindsay at all,not one pity cry, but i sure do feel sorry for Judy,makes me wanna cry myself.Lindsay isn't suffering the same fate as Judy,she has her own personality.which is called herself, just like Judy, they're both totally different people,in separate ways.Lindsay lead herself onto this...not Judy.
123sweetgigimusic 1 month ago
judy is nothing like lindsay lohan... judy at the time was an beautiful talented young lady who can act and sing wonderfully.
HOW DARE YOU compare someone like that to her. Living Legend, you can look but don't touch. still wish she was here, miss her truely. she will be remembered by lots and lots of fans who remembered her in her most famous film the wizard of oz.
123sweetgigimusic 1 month ago
@123sweetgigimusic Judy was such a classy lady if anything Judy would be giving that girl Lindsay Lohan advice and come on everyone is acting like Judy Garland was this tragic person when she really was not there is a reason why her daughter, Liza seldom talks about her mom Judy cause she says she was funny not a tragedy even Lucille Ball said herself Judy Garland is so funnier than I am she makes me look like a mortician.
cinderelmo 1 month ago
@cinderelmo whatever. they are totally different people, in separate lifes. lucy had her own life. liza has her own life. Lindsay has her own life. and Judy had her own life. point here is everybody has or had their own life.. and they lived it an entire different way. they can say all they want, how things can happen to relatively towards one another, but, that's not the way it goes here.
123sweetgigimusic 1 month ago
@cinderelmo judy doesn't need lindsay lohan's advice.. she already had it all along in the song somewhere over the rainbow, just from being in the wizard of oz. just listen to it. can't just compare people, HELLO, they're not the same people. all of them you might think aren't.i'll admit, lucy and judy were funny,but i get an laughing kick outta lucy. everybody loves lucy. i love lucy. lolz.
123sweetgigimusic 1 month ago
@cinderelmo they can go thru situations that happen to them just like they have, and feel their pain tentatively, but everything happens in different ways, that only they can help themselves to realize.
123sweetgigimusic 1 month ago
why do mgm fed her a pills because it can cause a like disaster for her
nekonyapii1203 2 months ago
Oh God, whether it was genetic or not, they practically fed her the pills. They were monsters.
pleasantrylane 2 months ago
She looks like Alyssa Milano in 6:23
luislarios13 2 months ago
@luislarios13 Hmm somewhat she looks like Alyssa Milano but Judy's looks changed through out her career but I think Britney Spears cause of her sad doe eyes remind me a lot of Judy and her daughter Liza but when Judy lost weight and had more angular features and less round features looked a lot like Natalie Portman, Anne Hathaway may play her in a movie but shes to tall, Judy was only 4'11. She should play Liza instead.
cinderelmo 1 month ago
@cinderelmo one more thing, she is nothing compared to like britney spears, i'm an fan of her's just like i am to judy, different life's , different people, different situations, that they are to go thru. only they can help themselves, if they truely want it. with the help of their family and friends to guide that person, they can really see, that they can do it, by all to themselves.
123sweetgigimusic 1 month ago
Wait, so this is why she's an icon to gay men? Because she had relationships with gay men because she was traumatised by her father? What nonsense; someone shed some light please.
tigereyes5 2 months ago
I'm gonna go out there and say.... she was really, reaaaaallllyyyy cute. So cute, I wish I had a time machine, cute.
RedDaVincy 3 months ago
Anyone notice the correlation with Judy and young Disney stars today?
dancingmckay 4 months ago 2
@dancingmckay No just her and Lindsay Lohan
AzulaLover1 3 months ago
@AzulaLover1 judy's so much more talented though!
ForeverEJ21 1 month ago
@ForeverEJ21 I won't disagree with that because it's hard for anyone to compare to Judy Garland. However you can't disagree that Lindsay doesn't deserve to suffer the same fate as Judy.
AzulaLover1 1 month ago
@ForeverEJ21 i agree. judy all the way always had talented from the start. as for lindsay, she's dead meat.
123sweetgigimusic 1 month ago
thank you for the superb sound on you vids.. many times i have a hard time hearing other posts
leftylena2002 4 months ago
Louis B. Mayer was nothing but an opportunistic, sexist, racist, obnoxious, selfish pig!
mozvideos1957 4 months ago
why dose it stop at 7 29
sensitive4321 4 months ago
Unfortunately Linday Lohan is the next Judy Garland. Both beautiful, talented, horrible families/backgrounds, started out in show business as little girls, became drug addicts because of family and show business, have gotten into alot of trouble, and looked much better they way they did before. Let's just hope Lindsay doesn't suffer the same fait as Judy and dies. I still love Lindsay I remember that beautiful talented redhead. Let's pray she finds the right path.
AzulaLover1 4 months ago
Its hard to see that the thing she is known for caused her a horrible future
pikachufan1336 5 months ago
I've seen the first 2 videos and a minute of this and i can say that everybody is guilty except for Mickey Rooney and her father!
hawaiingirl44 5 months ago 3
@M4xXyWDW4lif3 I think her mother plays a huge role and her death. She started taking drugs when she was 8, 5 years before she became a star and met Louis B. Mayer and signed a contract with MGM.
antlantis7 5 months ago
great book by mel torme "the midnight hour" all about Judy and her drugs
danngazz 6 months ago
what year did this air does anyone know?
PrincessB755 6 months ago
If your doing speed you go up then come down hard. It depleates ur dopamine so you get really depressed/angy/paranoid.
2Ryled 6 months ago
The younger you do drugs it changed your brain chemistry permanently, & its even harder/impossible to get off of them when your older. Poor Judy wasnt even allowed to say no more shots/drugs.
2Ryled 6 months ago
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once a guy in the entertainment business got judy garland to give him a blowjob because he wanted to hear her sing 'somewhere over a rainbow' through a mouthful of semen.
thepotatovagina 6 months ago
I saw Mickey Roony talk about Judy Garland once. He really got kinda emotional . His jazz singer wife was with him.
56BUICKRiviera 6 months ago
well judy i love u and hmm we all miss you and i wish you were still alive
cherrylipgloss1011 6 months ago
Sadly "Over the Rainbow" affected her as well later in life-when she allowed for volunteers for the singing-it was always that song they wanted-she did so many others though-but she is only best known for Wizard of Oz.
numutabin 7 months ago
Does anyone ask what the "root cause" of the personality disorder other than blaming family members. Is it possible that competitive faculties in capitalism and western society led to doing whatever it took to succeed in that industry? I think so.... "be successful or be a loser... if you don't succeed at this you will be a loser for the rest of your life" (her mom). Let me know what you think.
brahud 7 months ago
Easy... she was under pressure to succeed. Controlling behavior by using these pills brought about a positive result (in the short term). Too much pressure to perform and capitalistic competitive nature is what drives people to use whatever means necessary to succeed... (i.e. steroids, uppers, downers, etc.). If you want to differentiate yourself use drugs to change your physiology. We are still doing it today. Performance enhancement... geez it's not brain surgery.
brahud 7 months ago
I'm often atrracted to gay men or men who are preceived as gay. I think very sensitive women often are. It's hard enough to a woman and it's double whammy to be a sensitive damaged woman. Natrually you will not be attracted to seemingly agressive men. I'm sad things didn't work out for her and vincent he was good to her.
RibbionsandStrings 8 months ago
when you're a poor drug-addict, the addiction is all your fault..... when you're a famous celebrity, the addiction is caused by inheriting 'an addictive personality'.
Uprising771 8 months ago
@Uprising771 she didn't have addictive personality, she was given pills by her mother to work non stop and the system encouraged it. in that respect it wasn't her fault.
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I wonder if she might have contracted AIDS.
sickandtwistedchicks 9 months ago
Wow...I never knew one of the most famous movie star best known to be in such a happy movie lived one of the best known sad stories of all time. I wish she is happy know in heaven where she will be with her father and never be able to see her mother again.
WOW9521 9 months ago
The greatest female entertainer ever i wish she was alive now
MsFanmail 10 months ago 5
I feel bad now
comedyjuicefilms 11 months ago
I think people try to blame too much on actors parents without understanding why the parents themselves acted the way they did and the differences in the way people acted in different times
deebastard77 11 months ago
They didn't care about her at all she was like a machine basically. its very sad.
AudreyH100 1 year ago 3
@M4xXyWDW4lif3 i completely agree.
hotpink910 1 year ago
JUDY WAS AMAZING WHEN I WATCHED THE WIZARD OF OZ I USED TO THINK SHE HAD THE PERFECT LIFE HOW WRONG I WAS.........
MsFanmail 1 year ago
It wasnt MGM that caused her death, it was Judy Garland's mother and the man who ran MGM.
BatmanLover10110 1 year ago 5
3:15 Damn Mickey Rooney was CUT!
ccipollini1984 1 year ago
@ccipollini1984 Well, after regularly dancing for 48-72 hours at a time, what would you expect?
joshscomputer 7 months ago
whats the sadest part is i heard her mom had her start on the drugs at the age of 8
glasnya 1 year ago
Why are you blaming Judy, of course the studio knew what is was doing it was run by men wasn't it?
MrFalconford 1 year ago 2
I thought this was a a movie ond Judy; not some biased crusade on and personal war on psychotropic medication... I hate this stupid movie.............
bluenitepoet 1 year ago
I wonder why they didnt mention in this Bio that MGM Had Judy Get a Abortion of the child that came from her fist marriage to keep her "good girl" persona. It was somthing they day haunted her for the rest of her life. :(
MaerinB 1 year ago
I wonder if thass why they call drugs 'dope'...because of 'the reward pathway' triggering the release of dopamine!!Seems to make sense to me!!What DOESN'T ring true,is all those people saying that they didn't know it was all habit forming and bad for you...you only have to look at the effects that those chemicals had on the person taking them,to recognise the inherent adverse characteristics displayed!!
TheMrMarilyn 1 year ago
why the fuck does the bio channel play creepy music at everything,,,????
SirMusicalGerry 1 year ago
@SirMusicalGerry
LMAO i totally agree!
watch2mefly 1 year ago
by god liza looks like her father :| x
NathanJesseMcCarthy 1 year ago
I just don't understand why MGM or someone wasn't held responsible for her addiction or anything. I understand that those people back then didn't understand the effects of it but I can't help but feel unsettled knowing that the people who are to blame aren't.
Tumadre520 1 year ago
That poor girl. I don't care if Louie B. Mayor didn't know what he was doing! It killed her :( She might be alive today if she didn't take them pills.... R.I.P Judy :'( x
ThexBigxGHx97ox 1 year ago
@helseventeen1
what kind of pills were they?
rextony22 1 year ago
stupid people...
Skillet48 1 year ago
The studios didnt "realize" the damage it was doing.
Of course they didnt. Of course.
It isnt that they didnt realize, it is that they didnt care, and since there were no laws, they could plead ignorance.
Load of utter shit that they had no clue.
bronco3250 1 year ago 14
@bronco3250, they didn't know much about medicine, why is that so hard to grasp?
Medicine back then, as well as the knowledge of it, isn't as advanced as it is, now. They didn't know that you could get addicted to them.
Kari166 8 months ago
@Kari166 Sorry, ignorance will not work with me. Everyone is born with basic instincts. Everything doesnt need to be spelled out for us. Mayer and his type come from that group that danced around the golden calf. They worship money, and that zeal blinded them to the truth. Dont want to sound all preachy, but that is the way it was. That is the way it is.
Human beings werent as stupid as you make them sound back then. Big money and the monetary system has already destroyed us.
bronco3250 8 months ago
@bronco3250, yes, but I don't think those instincts carry over to relatively new medicine.
Kari166 8 months ago
@Kari166
Mayer ruled over MGM as a big family -- with Mayer as the paternalistic authority, rewarding loyalty and obedience, punishing insubordination, and regarding opposition as personal betrayal.
At Mayer's funeral, Jeanette MacDonald sang, "Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life," and Samuel Goldwyn, the founder and former head of the Goldwyn Company, reportedly quipped, "The reason so many people showed up at his funeral was because they wanted to make sure he was dead."
bronco3250 8 months ago
@bronco3250, aww. That's kind of sad, IMO.
But, he did sound pretty horrible. I don't remember if this was the same person who was sexually harrassing Judy, and gave her those pills.
Kari166 8 months ago
a shark killed her
Ratama 1 year ago
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friendsfamilyaccount 1 year ago
I'll take them
123ihatethiscrap 1 year ago
I blame the MGM studio more than anybody. Feeding her all those pills and using her as their cashcow. Some modern actress said:"Hollywood can chew you and spit you out within a few years."
Of course since Judy was a young actress she had no say in Hollywood, especially not at the time.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
@McLarenMercedes it wasn't only MGM's fault. It was her mother who wanted her to be a star in the first place!! it was MGM who recommened her the drugs, but her mom didn't care what it took, she just wanted the money!
peacelovesmile161 1 year ago 3
man that is so alot of pills i cant belive she did that
SherryBirkinFan227 1 year ago
The reason why gay men married woman was that the studios tried to cover up the fact that they were gay. Im very curious about old hollywood and have many books about the subject. They would put gay men with lesbian women..or with women who had to real interest in marrying. And of course their we're gay men trying to hide the fact and though marrying a woman would help. Things were so different back then. Not like today where everyone feels safe about coming out.
ashleyryanful 1 year ago
Judy was bi-polar. That's why she was so fucked up and why she had such an insatiable appetite for drugs and alcohol.
cynthiacher 1 year ago
Doesn't anyone get the feeling of guilt of enjoying her films, and her songs, and her dancing, knowing that all of it couldn't have been made if it was not from Judy Garland's pain? She was unhappy all the way, every step of the way yet we adore her.
LimeGirl08 1 year ago
The studios killed my grandfather....
SepherStar 1 year ago
@SepherStar WHO WAAS HE AND HOW
thewizfan78 9 months ago
she really didnt look 12, she looks about 15 in that
Willow756 2 years ago
Did they really not know that the pills were habit forming or bad? Truly? It's not exactly normal for 19 year olds to pass out from exhaustion. They just didn''t CARE! As it was mentioned earlier, she was a commodity not a person. So sad. When you consider she was in show biz from age 2 until her death, it makes me think "My God, no wonder her little body just gave out!"
andreaburnett 2 years ago 12
Back in those days they didnt know...in those times they probably would say she was "sensitive"...
safehouse123 2 years ago
@andreaburnett I agree, and the same with Marilyn Monroe. I don't understand either how doctors did not know pills were habit forming. To the best of my knowledge now to be approved by the FDA a drug has to be tested for a certain amount of years. I think it all comes down to money, and the mother didn't help either. Just my opinion.
AC6773 1 year ago 3
@AC6773 of course they knew...but they were bought and paid for by the studios...the studios hired publicists to hide the fact that many stars were addicts
ask yourself this...if they didnt know, why did they hide her pill usage?
brabon1 1 year ago
@fluffapuff13 Yeah. She died from that.
froghabyea 2 years ago 3
when Mickey Rooney said she was crying I nearly cried..... I could beat whoever was laughing.
froghabyea 2 years ago 58
@froghabyea That was my first reaction too, until I thought about my children laughing and having fun, getting excited about the characters as they appeared on screen, and how I myself get caught up in the fun of the movie. It would never be the classic it is today if it weren't cherished by so many in the same way. I think she cried because she knew she wasn't the studios first pick, and she was very nervous about it and feeling rejected, when in reality she will be forever loved!
andreaburnett 2 years ago
Mickey Rooney didn't escape the addiction as assumed here - but he was able to stop. And this is the first time I've heard that her father was a "drunk".
friendsfamilyaccount 2 years ago
@friendsfamilyaccount I took the statement about Mickey Rooney being able to escape the addiction, as him being able to overcome it, not that he was never addicted at all. What Judy Garland biographers are they referring to when they said her father was a drunk? Does anyone know?
andreaburnett 2 years ago
Nevermind, I just realized that the biographers they are referring to, are the two biographers in this documentary. The woman in red, and the man later on. Terribly trashy of them to bash her so
andreaburnett 2 years ago 2
MIckey Rooney had a great body... yummy!
cobolsaurus 2 years ago
Anyone know who's the gal playing Judy?
9:20...loOks like a cross between Kate Beckinsale and Mary Louise Parker....could it be one of those actresses perhaps?
HRHDOT3 2 years ago
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genetic genetic what glib bullshit would someone like look at psch/family conditions stupid people who make these videos great science
goldentomcat 2 years ago
what??
mathieuplasse1 2 years ago
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addictive personality? Who is this glib bitch commentator here does she think everyone like her is born into standard middle class normal happiness some of us prefer to be addicted than miserable cunt!!
goldentomcat 2 years ago
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stop bashing speed assholes !!!!
goldentomcat 2 years ago
=*(
Fuuuck....
UniQueLyEviL 2 years ago
mgm, I feel is the reason why she is gone!, They Did her wrong and she'd still be living to this day if it wasn't for them.. I'll never look at MGM the same, Ever!
2006pmickle 2 years ago
i dont blame her father i blame her mother for pushing her so hard.
chad2CCC 2 years ago 5
i will never think of MGM the same :(
i CANT Stand them now...I LOVE Judy Garland [Francis Gum]
R.I.P Francis Gum!
We All Love You And are sorry for the way they treated you♥
Im one of the people who think that even though u were hurt worse than "Brittney Spears" you stuck through it better
We Love You Judy!♥
Napolianlover64 2 years ago 6
Why all these gay men marring women then? This is so messed up! They kinda played with her heart!!!
fireandicecube 2 years ago 2
Maybe if being gay wasn't so taboo, they wouldn't feel the need to.
nicktelecast 2 years ago 3
what a shame you two - airman317 and sprinklfriend - dragged us all through those comments with you. How about we start commenting on the wonderful talen of Judy Garland again and the documentary we are watching?
TeamKilday 2 years ago 6
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I heard she o.d.ed like Maryln Monroe. I also heard she was a closet lesbian and that led to her suicide. A drunken dad, no wonder she was fucked-up.
Jackalman99 2 years ago
Being a lesbian did not lead to Judy's death. That's just plain stupid. Yes, Judy had lesbian affairs, but that has nothing to do with her death. Her years in show business, her bad marriages, her dad's death and her mom's overbearing nature, her alcohol and drug dependency were all to blame for her death. Next time think before displaying your ignorance.
steadybeau 2 years ago 4
I'm repeating what I heard on AMC, nothing to think about. Somebody else made the actual statement. I'm not a fan except I got her Easter Parade thing for my daughter at a used video store cheap.
Jackalman99 2 years ago
weird how i'm on the most powerful narcotics there are on a daily basis - all legally - yet it isn't addicting to me, yet it destroyed her.
i know part of it is because i actually NEED them for pain & i'll die young anyway... but still... is it just fate?
any opinions?
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
You might want to look up the definition of addiction.
airman317 2 years ago
i know the definition of addiction. besides studying drug abuse as part of my social work degree, i also was taught about addiction and dependence.
when i said i "need" them, i mean that i take them when needed for an actual reason other than getting high, and that changes how the meds affect you. i don't "need" them in the sense that i'm popping pills all the time, and i do NOT crave them.
and i really will die young. i'm very sick, it has nothing to do with meds.
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
I am sorry that you are sick. You should probably be a little more clear in your statements.
airman317 2 years ago
my cognitive abilities (writing, reading, memory) were damaged during the brain surgery i had six months ago today. that's on top of the many maintenance meds i'm on, and experts at Johns Hopkins are amazed i can make any sense at all. i'm doing as well as i can.
you try having your brain damaged when you had a 3.9 GPA and tested in the top 98% of the nation. it sucks, and knowing i may never fully recover sucks even more.
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
Still doesn't give you carte blanche to be asshole. Like I said, you should probably be more clear in your statements. I try not to have my brain damaged, thank you very much, and I'm sorry if I'm not taking out my violin and playing a mournful tune for you. You seem to have enough cognitive ability to type and conjugate sentences so you're on the right path.
airman317 2 years ago
how does wondering why narcotics are addicting to some people & not others make me an asshole?
and frankly i don't care about your sympathy... i was explaining why i wasn't more clear in the beginning.
and if you look at my original comment, that was a MONTH ago. of course i've made progress in that amount of time. through writing sentences over & over and playing that memory/matching game kids play.
and i try not to damage my brain too - but i got a tumor. it could happen to you, too.
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
Those comments made a month ago aren't displayed after so many people comment afterwards. You displayed classic addict behavior in your statements. And I quote, "weird how i'm on the most powerful narcotics there are on a daily basis - all legally - yet it isn't addicting to me,". That is akin to' "I smoke crack every day and I'm not hooked". Brain tumor or not you're still hooked. If you stopped using narcotics how uncomfortable would you be?
airman317 2 years ago
i added "all legally" because i've had people think it was off the street, not by prescription.
i've gone longer than 2 weeks with nothing because the pharmacy couldn't get the meds in stock - and i had NO WITHDRAWAL EFFECTS WHATSOEVER. nothing.
so although the underlying pain from my disease was still there, i wasn't uncomfortable in ANY other sense. i can go without the meds, but take them to help with the pain i'm in.
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
Excuses, excuses. I can't believe that people would think that you slamming opiates would be doclor recommended. As in, "No man, I swear I have a perscription for this." says the man in the greasy chair with his arm tied off and the needle in his arm.......nods off into drug induced stupor.....You aren't fooling anyone buddy.
airman317 2 years ago
how is taking something as prescribed "slamming opiates"?
you clearly made up your mind from the start, without any intention of listening to the facts. you think you know better than i when it's my life and quite clearly you've proven yourself to be ignorant when it comes to this topic - until you've been through the pain management classes and had thorough instruction on this, you should keep your mouth shut.
say what you want. i don't have time to deal with you - so continue being ignorant.
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
First off, I would like to apologize to you. It has become clear that you have an illness. I was trying to just be an asshole and I'm sorry. Good luck with your brain cancer thing and I hope you don't experience any ill effects when you kick the junk.
airman317 2 years ago
thanks. but there's nothing to kick, unless that's what you would call stopping any other medication used properly & as directed (heart medication which i'm also on, anti-depressants, chemo, etc.)
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
and to go with my very first comment, judy clearly was NOT taking them as prescribed. that's the difference between taking something and abusing it - you either do it as the doctors instruct, the RIGHT WAY which is NOT ABUSE, or you choose to abuse them. i've chosen not to.
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
I think she was taking it has prescribed - the doctors were just overprescribing it.
yougottagetagimmick 2 years ago
and it's not the same as with crack.
ask any pain management specialist - if you're taking these medications for SEVERE PAIN, they don't have the same effects that they do if you're not in pain. and even if they did, the pain would outweigh any "good" feeling. and if that isn't the case, you aren't in enough pain to need the meds.
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
1:30
Jeffluvs80s 2 years ago
holly crap, that's where liza get's her nose!
glitterbat107 2 years ago
Ummm, What are you talking about???
Jeffluvs80s 2 years ago
this is a very strange biography (not with the facts or the subject, the way it's all presented)...
mommyimhungry 2 years ago 2
in the book, dorothy looked like six.
musicfreakcomicgeek 2 years ago
in the wizard of oz, she was supposed to be a "little girl" but i think everyone sees dorothy as a 15-16 year old no matter what the original novel said. i don't think Frank L Baum even mentioned dorothy's age.
Hipmister3000 3 years ago
I see alot of what Judy went through happening, sadly, with Britney Spears. Controlling stage mom, agents exploiting her, ulimtately getting hooked on drugs and alcohol, being pushed...I just hope Brit stays alive and doesn't fall off again.
ssudioTVgirl 3 years ago
i thought the exact same thing. at least britney's starting to look better...
sprinklefriend 2 years ago
SOO SAD!!
CherchezMoi 3 years ago
I didn't realize any of this, especially about Judy's father being gay or that Vincent Minnelli was gay. It would explain Liza's marriages, one to a man who died of aids and David Gest, who I presume is gay.
kaymad 3 years ago
Judy's DAUGHTER married David Gest.
RivaJane 3 years ago
thats what he said
guguzete 2 years ago
No No....basically like all of us that have an orgasm for the first time....we realize that we are going to everything we can do get as many as we can.
bronco3250 3 years ago
Judy Garland was and is a true icon. She had such a tragic life led into the drain by her mother and her studio. Though she lived a short life she lived a truly epic life. Everything she ever touched turned to gold except her own personal life. She was a fantastic person and performer. Love her, lover her, love her!!!! May her memory live on forever.
smashly862008 3 years ago 4
I agree.. Bunch of BS
galredrose 3 years ago
They definitely did treat her bad
Janvierireland 3 years ago 2
I don't think Vicente Minelli was gay. Maybe bi at the most, but he was married 4 times and his stepdaughter once said he always dated a lot of attractive women. I think it's annoying when people just state stuff as fact they don't have proof of.
eac1027 3 years ago 2
I'm not saying that this documentary is actually true...but a lot of men in the public eye who are gay, and are worried that they're reputation will be at risk if anyone knew, will marry, or date beautiful women to discourage anyone from thinking that they're gay.
lilnaughty1 3 years ago
Whether he was or not, it might be that only he knew for certain. There are plenty of people who learn late in life that they're gay (from having denied it, or having tried too hard to 'live straight'.). Gay people can go on to have children before realizing, "You know what? I can't do this anymore." Back then, they didn't really have that luxury, and had to be much more discreet.
JumbaFan 3 years ago
As TCM exposed, Robert Stack recalled dating her when, as a teen, she was already breaking down. A doctor urged at least a year off, at which point - based on Stack's remembering his time in the Garland home - Judy's mother said, "What she needs is to be locked in a closet for a few days," and Louis Mayer made it clear that she, Judy, was studio property and would go on working.
jjarndyce 3 years ago
so sad....
happyface2012 3 years ago
omg judy deserved to be a real kid and person.
RIP judy Garland
Traci145 3 years ago 3
The Wizard of Oz is an Occult Movie and that tells you for a start what kind of forces were
playing in her life as well.
Easydollars 3 years ago
"Judy Garland dabbled in a whole rainbow of little colored pills, innocently skipping down her own yellow brick road into the tangled forest of addiction."
...kindof ridiculously put...
poor judy, she shouldnt have deserved anything like that. no one should.
JennaLeighhh 3 years ago 22
why didn't they try to do some research?
judy garland shouldn't have been forced to do thise things. what is with her mom? that's just brutal that she's doing!
karenkek2kek 3 years ago
I think some of us realize this is just someone''s version of her life. No one really knows, except her and maybe her daughter, some of her mom's life. We all have some tragedy in our lives. And Hollywood is grueling and cruel.
thanks, Vee
veelighted7 3 years ago 2
In a state of great emotional distress, she aborted their baby in Mexico, because Power's wife wouldn't give him a divorce. When word got back to Tyrone their relationship was over.
anhacus 3 years ago
how could her mum push her to such a career, acknowledge what was going on and allow it? why wasn;t anyone there for her? its terrible
xLycrax 3 years ago
i hope louis b mayer is in hell right now
shammmuk 3 years ago 2
Fuckking basterds! Who works for movies!
They made her take pills! They Made her a jonky, they killed her!!!!!
I fuckking hate YOU!!!!!
She wasint allowed to get a chocolate bar once a week.. I mean come on!!!!
helenajesstarzak 3 years ago
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MissFit0191 3 years ago
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i feel so sorry for her what a great loss she was so beautiful but now shes an old hag
FrozenTears911 3 years ago
Oh God!
How I hate those B-s! Mayer,Jimmy Aubrey,
Fields,Begelman and Sid Luft!
They ruined Poor Judy and Rooney was no real
friend to her!
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swycguy 3 years ago 2
F*ck Hollywood!
ZigZagWoman 3 years ago 8
those stupid studio doctors!!! diet pill, speed! THE DOCTORS GOT HER ADDICTED!!! SHE WAS SOOOO YOUNG!!
HulaxGirlx77 3 years ago
whywhy
thunderbirdoflove 3 years ago
The sad thing is this is all true. May she always rest in peace and know how much she is missed.
mem56 4 years ago 6
Good lord...these people have no respect for Judy at all. They look like they're readi