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  • Dawkins - The Brain

    Hitchens - The Brawn

  • This is crazy. Why does she want to remain 'Jewish'? At first I thought she was just obsessively addicted to the rituals but no, it seems she wants to be part of the 'people'. That's tribalism/racism.

  • @SelfImmolator to have a sense of belonging is not racism. get your facts straight.

  • @ilhanerem1 which fact would that be? Name the fact I'm ignoring.

    I think what you mean is 'get your opinions straight'. In my opinion, strongly wanting to belong to your tribe is tribalistic (a heartbeat away from racism and just as stupid). Point me towards the "fact" that says otherwise.

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  • @ilhanerem1 Haha, the likes of me are the enemies of a free and tolerant society... yet in the same comment you said I "don't get to call people's choices stupid". I don't want to live in your idea of a free society then. I'd rather keep a society where opinions are allowed.

  • @SelfImmolator calling it stupid(a subjective verb) is not an opinion... "irrational", "doesnt make sense", or a simple "i dont agree" would be an opinion.

  • @ilhanerem1~ u clearly dont understand the definition of the word "racism"!

  • Religious people talk non-stop, and women talk non-stop, so when you combine the two...

  • Sound is atrocious. 

  • who does the camera work for RDF now? :S

  • Amazing how he lets her slide on so many things that he would normally stop Christians in their tracks for saying.

  • @AcemanJones She said herself she's pretty much Atheist.

  • @TweekDash Yeah. And then proceeds to make a series of ridiculous comments that Dawkins would NEVER let a Christian "apologize" away with by claiming the simple title of "Atheist"

  • @AcemanJones

    she say she doesnt believe in god but likes the traditions thats it !

    u dont need to be a christian to celebrate christmas or eat fish every friday !

    but yeah u prob believe dawkins is a zionist and part of the illuminati etc..

    -.-

  • so Judaism is simply an nationalistic movement in witch so slave tribe said "fuck slavery , lets get out of egypt and go take over the rich land behind the desert " and when people asked "why?" , they replied " god chose us,...not your god our brand new god that told us to cut of tip of our pines".

    that makes Israel a country based on nationalistic Ideology, apartheid ,and inequality (racial,tribal,religious..etc)­, hence, Israel is the same as Saudi Arabia and the reset of the middle east

  • @DentistD1G it's not, abraham is the great guy

  • @DentistD1G read a book first.

  • with the out-of-sync it's best just to listen rather than watch

  • Evidence > Faith

    This is why "atheists" and religious are ridiculous. They take that serious

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  • Richard Dawkins is to atheists what Sylvia Brown is to New Agers.People associate with groups and play favorites with their talking heads. But in the end you make yourselves slaves to someone. To christians, the priest, to athiests, the scientist.

    Both sides fighting each other, the religious and secular, but in reality are just two sides of the same coin. Remember we are humans, and that all this fighting and debating only continues our violent cycle.

  • @DarkArtistKaiser But you forget one important aspect, evidence,

    The evidence man evolved is overwhelming and now even confirmed by DNA testing,,,and even proven in USA court, Kitzmiller Vs Dover.

    So while you suggest atheists have beliefs you should probably consider atheists don't need faith or belief we usually rely on evidence to support our point of view,,,as would any rational person except for when you bring religion into it.

  • @ZukefliJohan You have missed my point entirely. How is it that a person devoted to logic and reason misread my comment so as to champion that Atheism has beliefs or to champion faith? You so willingly flaunt your evidence, yet failed to answer the other parts of my comments?

    No wonder my Brother tells me atheists are not worth worrying over. Your all just as blind as the religious. Good day sir.

  • @DarkArtistKaiser Atheists are just as blind as the religious? I find that very hard to believe.

  • @aDislikeBot

    If that is not so, than why have you completely overlooked the meaning of my comments? Is it that you believe I am wrong, or is it your ego that refuses to think that someone else maybe right?

    If you look only at who is right or wrong, than you are blind. Its all tribal conflicts, seeded since our earliest ancestors. In continuing the conflict rather than learning to get along, the conflict will forever go on. That is why they are blind. Good day sir.

  • @DarkArtistKaiser It's not as easy as just "getting along" when something as evil as religion is in our society.

  • @aDislikeBot Bible is the truth.

  • @SomeUser9753 you say the Bible is the truth? prove it! please convince me so i can be saved!

  • @aDislikeBot I love the comment "atheism is a religion too",,,some dumbasses try that,,lol

  • @DarkArtistKaiser No evidence for god huh?,,,,hard to justify believing in something that doesn't exist?

  • @DarkArtistKaiser That's not at all what it is. Your coin is the invisible, un-provable, bigger than everything you can ever imagine type of coin that supposedly looks like us, care about us, but can't communicate worth a damn to us (otherwise we might actually know he cares) type of coin, and the atheist's coin is made out of copper. Our's flip's according to physics, and yours always lands heads (without ever actually showing you though, just take his "word" for it!) I like my real coin....

  • @ceanderson79

    You miss the point as well. This is not about whos right or wrong, its "My tribe is better than your tribe." The popular views of both sides is that we are no longer tribesmen wielding sticks and spears. In reality, we have never ended our tribalism, or our tribal conflicts. How can we truly be at peace, when humanity is separated by tribes? Even Atheists have more than one tribe within itself.

    Being right does not excuse poor manners. Good day sir.

  • What's with the racket in the background? You'd think they would go somewhere quiet for the interview.

  • To do: Buy better microphone.

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  • this woman reminds me of Wendi McLendon-Covey

  • BOBBLE HEAD!

  • Well, I learned this term Biblidolotry, and it referred to worship of the text instead of God, and suspected some people worship the ritual as well, with the nice robes, funky hats, etc. Somehow, I still find the Rabbi, flabbergasting.

  • Ignore the debate between religion and science for one moment ... and realized this lady is dumb as hell. Supernovas don't CRASH, they explode. This one comment completely discredits her.

  • However, it is good to see people believing in what they want and offshoots like this allow people to enjoy culture and gives even more variety to the many forms of belief in our world.

  • But doing the worshipping is what they do in order to be jewish. I believe that if you're a jewish person that lives by the laws of the religon then they have earnt the right to enjoy and be part of that culture. What this woman says is fine and you shoulf be allowed to do what you want, but i personally find it disrespectful that they live the jewish life without giving something back like the discipline of faith. Almost as if they dont have the right to do this.

  • I'm not religious but am I the only one who notices that people seem to ridicule Christians who might be delusional but 99% of them live good, honest lives, but people don't seem to give a damn about satanism and occultism who openly admit to being evil and usually believing in a deity? Why does no one try to debunk and ridicule them?

  • @Picklezorz We atheists ridicule all religions equally, satanists etc just don't seem to be so annoying and pompous like Christians/Islamists/Jews.

  • seriously all you people with an iq over 130 and from a scientific background, dawkins is a discipal of the devil

  • if we still the human form in hundreds or thousands of years, when we nolonger eat,fuck or fight ect.And all these wonderful scientist have discovered everything and travelled the universes what do we do next as a species make a god lol

  • who cares what he believes in, just an ego tripper like the most human beings, he probably had a strict anglian upbringing and is bitter about people who have faith, he be abit of dust soon anyhow wont he

  • People that listen to Dawkins are as blind as people that listen to Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity. Its about saying whatever people want to hear and making a lot of money doing so.

  • @martinjackson909 Gee Marty, what things does Dawkins say that you disagree with?

  • The laws of nature are observed and measured by scientific method - the only method that we know of today that critically and skeptically interrogates everything around us and all the technology developed up to this point, which is a natural causality of scientific study, is what truly improves the quality of our lives. What has religion ever fostered? wars, the inquisition, the dark ages...all the GOOD stuff helping humanity move forward...

  • think dawkins will suffer in hell

  • @greenscorpio1967 Heads up: Hell = fake. So why even spew out your angry remarks, when the receiver(s) obviously don't believe in hell?

  • @RDDA86 ..aah! But he will then argue that Hell exists whether Dawkins believes in it or not..

    It is really circular.. with the serfs, the fanatic zombies.

  • People that listen to Dawkins are as blind as people that listen to Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity. Dawkins has been getting more and more radical over the years with his dogma just as Glenn Beck got more radical over the years with his.

  • I can't listen to this annoying bitch's voice through this shitty microphone.

  • Got to the but where she says supernova crashing and stopped it.

    How RD can sit there and listen to that garbage is beyond me.

  • Check out my video about debunking religion and how science proves religion false, it's a quick 9 minute video.....type in "Verbal Truth" or go to the link ....

  • So the Jews construct a god that just so happens to have selected them as "The chosen people".

    It's the little things that make me laugh.

  • @snackynak; LMAO! That should be on a T-Shirt

  • This woman is such an idiot, it is NOT meaningful to deviate and downplay God's faith and say "oh well Im too good for your ass God, so Im taking YOUR faith and I am going to THROW OFF YOUR NAME for doing it." I hope this woman learns a lesson.

  • WATCH OUT FOR CRASHING SUPERNOVAE

  • Religions are immoral & depraved as they teach us that we should be abject slaves to a non entity. It attempts to stop us thinking independently and tries to make us ashamed of the sex act by stating it is wrong to have sex outside of marriage and also same gender sex.

  • now if all religions worked this way.... they'd be hobbies and cultural practices and the world would be a better place...

  • More dawkins, but less fail recording please.

  • Proprietizing the mind for sympathy, the myth will always remain; the question is what is justifiable!

  • Please don't record another video until you get a proper mic, otherwise love the channel.

  • I lasted about 2 minutes. I really can't bear this kind of slow talking, slow minded, religious dumbskulls.

  • When she looks at Jewish culture, she sees self-reliance?

    You mean like the Holy Books which are essentially- "God saves our ass, we win. God doesn't save our ass. We lose."?

    Man, people will justify anything with anything.

  • @LadyGaGaOfficialCha1 Could be because Thomas Jefferson wrote: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

  • If you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people.

  • @Mirrodin82 Some of the greatest minds of humanity were Christian theologiens who advocated for reason as being the greatest gift from God.

  • @TheAwesomeMaths Yeah well even the greatest minds are sometimes wrong. Who can blame them.

  • @Mirrodin82 Maybe, maybe not but please don't say that religious people don't have reason

  • @TheAwesomeMaths Religious people dont have reason. They are stupid selfish motherfuckers.

  • @Mirrodin82 You mean Newton, Descartes, Pascal, Faraday, Maxwell, Asa Gray, Max Planck,etc. didn't have reason?

  • @TheAwesomeMaths Yeah they were stupid assholes niggas hahahahahhha

  • @Mirrodin82 ..you racist prick..! You think Newton, Descartes, Pascal, Faraday, Maxwell, Gray, Planck. et al. were (stupid) assholes.. when compared to the religious fanatics who genitally mutilate, create distinctions between people based on who they worship, what they eat, or who they sleep with..?!

    You're a piece of trash you stupid, sycophant; you self-centered, blind to logic - idiot.

  • @bronzmash Fuck off retard your irrelevant babblings fail to amuse me. So go fuck your grandma like you do every day moron.

  • @Mirrodin82 ..my life isn't about your amusement, you indolent assclown. And i will leave all our grandmas (dead or otherwise), 'cuz i do not give a flying fuck about you trying that angle.. you are an arrogant prick, a jackass, a bigot, an unintelligent piece of turd.

    ..fuckoffanddie, bitch..!

  • @bronzmash Fuck off tard you are completely irrelevant. Stupid noob.

  • @Mirrodin82 ..you wish! You fucked in the head Jesus-freak. ..and you do not even know when to use 'irrelevant' - typical bible-thumping trash cunt.

  • @bronzmash Stop bothering me weakling. You are completely irrelevant. And again you fail to amuse me.

  • @Mirrodin82 would u say she is a religious person? because she clearly said that she doesn't believe in god, she believes the bible's stories are mythological, she believes in living by her culture (which can coincide with being inspired & passionately interested by other cultures). do u have any objections to jews like her or me?

  • @oc00011 No I just dont give a shit who belives in what and why.

  • @Mirrodin82 the only important thing is what u believe in & why, right? well i feel sorry for u, & i don't mean that in a disrespectful way, i actually do. i think very differently, in the way that i Do give a shit about what everybody believes in & why. i look at their logic, reason, opinions, beliefs, fantasies & mythologies with great interest. because that's what makes people who they are. & it can give me some lessons/discoveries on who i am as well. especially with passionate curiousity.

  • @oc00011 Yeah bla,bla,bla,bla.......booooooo­ring

  • @Mirrodin82 lol it says ur age is 29 (therefore ur practically in ur thirties already), didn't realize that people with zero intelligence of ur age can actually have such an authentic mindset of a spoilt american teen high-school girl. congats.

    and keep on believing that all what's important is only what mirrodin believes, & nobody else ;D

  • @oc00011 You fail to amuse me so fuck off nigga.

  • @Mirrodin82 i'm not here to amuse u. & u shouldn't use the n word, whether ur white or black it shouldn't be uttered, ever. anyway, as i was saying before, r u really in ur 30s? lol! that is a funny situation, u need to be going back to "learning support" in school, yet u need to start thinking of retirement, unlucky :P

  • @oc00011 Wow you are so smart......I wish I was smart as you......

  • @Mirrodin82 ;D

  • A congregation of Jews who celebrate Jewish holidays without worshiping a God or believing in a personal God? Hell I would join! I listen and play enough klezmer music as it is. Hava Nagila!!

  • Hi Richard

    How does tribalism scan with you? I would be better pleased if next time you interview somome who touts a tribalist agenda you where a bit more questioning.

  • @DukeTwicep I've read it, and I've read Hitchen's 'God is not Great' as well. You're right, Dawkins asserts that the passive nature of the moderates allows the extremists to exist. I certainly agree with this, and perhaps I didn't understand the role LadyGaGaOfficialCha1 was playing in her comments. I was simply trying to get her to see that there is a need for Dawkins to continuously oppose religions at every chance he can; that they are an ever increasing threat when left alone.

  • I was raised a jew and this is just retarded

  • @TheMrgoku1985 being raised a jew doesnt mean you have studied the history. Do her years of research then counter her with a paper, not a simple youtube criticism.

    But then commenting here with an air of superiority is much easier.

  • @waltermh111

    Cunt

  • @TheMrgoku1985 Great come back and an insult to women, claiming their sexual organs are bad :(

    Sad sexist.

  • @waltermh111

    STFU and get back in the kitchen!

  • I love Richard Dawkins, but I'm afraid this audio is just too terrible to bear.

  • First thing recording an event, is to check the audio. Then .. check the audio. And after checking the audio a third time, look if the camera points in the right direction. And then listen to the audio while recording.. the whole thing.

  • @DebunkingEvolution How? by adjusting his views on science with new discoveries throughout his lifetime? or by following a 2000 year-old book that claims to have all the answers ever needed? I think you need to go back to the dictionary and look up the word "dogmatic" again. If you mean "relentless in his support of modern scientific knowledge" then that's a completely different story. Choose your words carefully.

  • @Proghead88 beautifully put

  • @DebunkingEvolution piss off retard,go back to your backward sites.

  • Do you know that Jesus mostly preached love and harmony? Do you know that Muhammad commanded Muslims to give charity, honor orphans, obey their mothers? No. You listen to Dawkins (a guys who made millions, from books, lectures, and articles for preaching atheism).

  • @martinjackson909 jesus also beat the shit out of money lenders in the church. truly a bitchin man.

  • nah, dawkins used to be all right until he got in bed with the racist condell. now, he's just another militant islamophobe.

  • I'd have liked to have listened to this but the audio is too bad for 16+ minutes

  • Can you people get a Boom Mic or some kind of SHotgun mic??? SHIT

  • @SkullMan853 No kidding!! That was my first thought exactly. Horrible audio...

  • @SkullMan853 Oct 15, 2011 was a sabbath day, so no jew was ready to work and get a mic.

  • can anyone explain why according to official figures there are twice as many atheist in jail in the UK as in the general population.

    Please do not reply using data from atheist sites to contradict me unless it is from a verifiable government source as opposed to plucked from an atheists arse.

  • @ufewl Sure, first of all provide your source. Thanks :)

  • @manchesterfellow wxw. parliament. uk/briefing-papers/SN04334.pdf

    32.5% athiest not the 0.1% claimed on atheists sites!!!

  • @ufewl No, the 0.1% you mention refers to the USA, NOT the UK, where the no religion section of the population is much higher than the USA. And not only that, no religion is a far cry from being an atheist, as I'm sure you are aware.

  • @LordMacBeth79 those figures are FAKE!!!

    there is not official source for the stats which is why you will be unable to provide a link to one because you cant link to something which does not exist.

    Fake data on athiest sites

  • @ufewl Lol, religious people talking about "official sources" and "fake data". hahahahah, so god damn funny, you are silly, aren't you?

  • @xZHRx no you are silly u dickhead, the data is not about the validity of a religious belief.

  • @ufewl I never said it was about the religion, i just thought that it was kinda ironic that you were talking about "official sources" and what not. Religion has been dis-proven, look at the fossil records, and all the rocks that predate 10000 years ago. BOOM, disproved, they disprove religion in like 5th grade science class... WOW. I bet every person that dosent support evolution, they go and get the flu shot every year... and they dont know that because of random mutation is why they get it.

  • @xZHRx the fossil records don't actually prove anything, also not everyone take things as literally as you, Gensis is to illustrate that God created the world, the details rare irrelevant.

    How well do you think an account of evolution would have gone down 8,000 years?

    You really are need to use a bit of intelligence when reading the bible and see things in context rather than using your childishly simplistic approach. So don't give me all this 5th grade stuff when you have not even made the 1st!

  • @ufewl And how does it not prove anything? tell me, because the dates dont match up. I dont know how you arent supposed to taking dating literally? A date is a date, what do you mean...

  • @ufewl

    As mentioned by LordMacBeth79, "No religion" is in no way the same thing as atheist/agnostic. In other words, it is quite easy to be a deist or a theist without aligning yourself with a particular religious dogma. Indeed, it doesn't take a great deal of imagination to see how a person with no respect for government authority would also have no respect for the supposed authority of your typical religious charlatan.

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  • @squirreldundee No it is not. Post a link.

  • @ufewl

    wxw. homeoffice. gov. uk/rds/pdfs/hosb1501.pdf

    You're right, I don't expect you to be able to find something on your own given the title and the authors' names. Here you go; and the pertinent section stating the 1% atheist/agnostic component of prison inmates is #17.

  • @squirreldundee it says #15 "15. Population growth among inmates with No religion consistently outstrips growth among any other group in each year. The Christian prison

    population has generally grown more slowly than the average rate of growth."

    The problem with your argument is that you are comparing that 1% with the population outside jail who state "no religion". A similar tiny % that group would state atheist/agnostic so you are not comparing like with like.

  • @ufewl You've certainly put a lot of words in my mouth. All I've said is that atheists/agnostics make up 1% of the uk prison population, although I understand those numbers are actually 0.2% and 0.1% respectively. As for your second claim that "atheists in jail are at least in line with that in the general population", this is unfounded. All the statistic you've sited shows is that the number of prisoners with "no religion" has increased, which of course noone is arguing.

  • @squirreldundee furthermore most of the people who state no religion are probably too thick to even know what atheist means. Also in #15 "all the other religions together (apart from Christians) show a rate of increase, which is consistently higher than that of the prison population as a whole." So atheists in jail are atleast in line with that in the general population, this is MASSIVELY out of line with claims made by atheists, I trust you will correct such claims when made ;O)

  • @squirreldundee Finally the main gripe of atheists is anti-religion *not* anti-theist, they spend their time knocking established religious text. If there is no text/organisation there is not much left to mock is there? But what the data does show is that there are less people in jail with a religion. So you have 'lost', lost the argument hook line and sinker. YOU HAVE ACTUALLY MADE THE CASE FOR RELIGION DESPITE TRYING TO DO THE OPPOSITE. CONGRATULATION!!!! EPIC FAIL!!!! LOL!!!!

  • @ufewl actually over 70% of the US prison population positively identifies as christian. The US population as a whole isn't even 70% christian. excellent work looking at the facts there.

  • @325982668 your figure are wrong they are from an ahteits site and known to be fake

  • @ufewl really? because in 30 seconds of actually googling US prison population religions, from the Federal Bureau of Prisons, I found that christians make up MORE THAN 80% of the US prison population, as of the research date, march 5, 1997. Atheists in fact, make up 0.21% of the prison population. research, it works!

  • @325982668 JUst goes to show that most of the inmate prison population are deluded then.

  • @ufewl Your just repeating something someone told you aren't you. How about you actually do some research for once and not act like a parrot. Twit.

  • @TheViolentBuddha no all my stuff is researched from government data available on-line. it not made up stuff with no verifiable links like the made up atheist statistics.

  • @ufewl okay you just proved to me you are too retarded to waste anymore time on. If you won't even Google it you are a waste of space and air.

  • @ufewl I see you're getting pretty excited with the prospect that you think you've found something to validate your inane beliefs. Unfortunately, according to a 2004 BBC poll, 39% of the UK doesn't believe in God, a 2004 YouGov poll places non-believers at 35% with 21% responding "don't know", and the British Social Attitudes Survey places that number at around 41% for that year.

  • @ufewl Finally, If you're so convinced in the importance of religion for providing social order, I suggest you read some of Daniel Dennett's writings on the subject of "belief in belief".

  • So people who believe in God are idiots. Well here is a list of some famous idiots: Copernicus,Robert Boyle,Albert Einstein, Planck, Faraday, Mendel, Gallileo, Kelvin, Blaise, Kepler,Francis Bacon. Pascal,

    All scientists- very interesting, what did they know that others didn't,

    You would think that men of their intellect and reasoning would have had more sense not to believe in fairy stories eh?

    It just goes to show that all believers are simple minded Cretins or are they?

  • Actually for all you " OPEN MINDED " (HA) atheists/Catholic Church haters ou tthere.

    If you want to read the article and remember this is what good the Catholic Church does in just ONE COUNTRY.

    The article is called : JEWISH BUSINESSMAN SAM MILLER, WHAPS ANTI-CATHOLIC BIAS IN NEWS MEDIA.

    And remember this article is wriiten by a Jew who is not Catholic, but he has more decency and fairness than these " intellectual atheists" who are meant to be so open minded.

    Good on you Sam.

  • oh god!!! get a better sound recording device.

  • @EraiGhaell Dawkins is a very clever guy, in some ways. However, there is an absurdness of presenting scientific arguments about questions which are in reality more to do with philosophical reasoning than scientific facts. I empathise with much of his conclusions. I hope he finds some peace ..in the mean time let us hope he can be tolerant towards peoples of all faiths, including Athiests who are misrepresented by the dogmatic religion of fundamentalist fanatical atheisim .

  • @MrGiveusabreak Well said

  • 5:11 Supernovas don't CRASH; asteroids CRASH and supernovas EXPLODE. This woman is ignorant, dumb, and a horrible spokesperson for science and religion alike. She is no more a Rabbi than Dawkins is a creationist ...

  • @Fupper16 she was talking about the big bang.. calling it a supernova lol wow

  • ""The Church does a lot of good in the world.""...Is that supposed to be funny? You're just joking right?

  • The Agnostic Code: We cannot know with certainty if god or christ exists. They COULD. Then again There COULD be a giant reptilian bird in charge of everything. Can we be CERTAIN there isn't? NO, so it's pointless to talk about.

    South Park is awesome.

  • @TheEyesOfNye You keep saying that they are 'widly recognised' and 'uncontroversial' when they are clearly not.

    The pages from the CDC and WHO are not research, they are a press release.

    I enquired about MGM when I had my first son and was told that I would be hard pressed to find a dr in our state that would do it, and that the hospital 'discouraged' it.

    So I read the case for both sides then read the criticisms from both sides.

    How about you do more reading and less believing.

  • I have such a small penis:-(

  • @MrGiveusabreak Heh, perhaps. Of course he is not talking to a Christian or about Christians here ;-) How harsh he is, by the way, seems to depend on the arguments presented more then on the religion of the discussion partner (see, for example, his discussion with Alister mcGrath or with bishop Harries). (and, if you think he is hars towards Christians... just watch him tearing, verbally, into Muslems! He is an equal-opportunity mocker at the very least ;-) )

  • Who would hold an interview in a room with such horrible acoustics :(

  • So boring...

  • nice audio

  • Is it just me or is Richard getting Fat? =P

  • @sirskeptic "Almost all peadiatricians and other doctors..." Citation?

    "the CDC has flip flopped...", "WHO is more a..." These are examples of 'poisoning the wells' logical fallacies.

    "Girls who have..." 'Red Herring' logical fallacy (perhaps unintentional). This data is irrelevant to our current discussion.

    I am sorry, but the health benefits to male circumcision are uncontroversial among scientists. That doesn't mean all infants should have the procedure of course. But facts are facts.

  • @TheEyesOfNye My comments about the CDC and WHO are valid. While they now endorse MGM, they used to oppose it and also gave reasons.

    My "Girls who have ..." comment was merely an example of how many of the "benefits" of MGM usually come about. Eg. If you pull sombodies eyes out there's a whole range of benefits. No myopia, no expensive glasses, no cateracts, less likely to die driving a car, etc etc.

    Then you follow with two arguements by assertion. By 'facts' do you mean spin?

  • Listening to this woman is making me sick to my stomach.

  • My english isnt that good to understand this crap sound.