Vicarius Filii Dei? Fables Folklore And Urban Legend

[PropheticLandmarks]

Bingolly,

It is pretty evident that you have not read Michael Scheifler's page on Vicarius Filii Dei.

The Donation of Constantine forgery means nothing and does absolutely nothing to destroy the fact that there are a VAST more amount of documentation to prove that this was the Pope's title. There is so much evidence that you do not address in your videos, it blows my mind how you can in good conscience feel that yo have refuted anything.

[777Logos]

Aye Jew know, the bestest way to stay out of de error is to READ GOD'S LIVING WORD AND MAKE IT THE FINAL AUTHORITY CONCERNING THINGS OF GOD!

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[dwightinutah]

Let's not forget this: that God loves all people, but not their sins. Regarding Vicarius Filii Dei, the recent book (author Jerry Stevens) by the same title was thoroughly researched and contains 84 pages of historical quotes where since 1600 this term has been used in conjunction with the Papacy. The claim in this video that this term has never been used as a title of the Bishop of Rome is not true. Even if it were not true, there is still abundant evidence that the Papacy is the anti-christ.

[Bingolly1]

@dwightinutah Where you born ignorant or is it something that just grew on you through years of conspiracy theories and bad historical facts. The term was never used as a name or a title for the Pope and has been debunked many times. Even some Seventh day Adventist say it is a fake now as seen in Sabbath School Quarterly July 2002. I can give you the number of DR Phil if you think it will help you.

[rabbitspliff]

@Bingolly1 ahhh of course, you debunk false claims made by people with biases, and then you recommend people see Dr Phil, that famously unbias..... oh shit, no, he's a narrow minded yellow journalist propaganda tool. Anyway, that's just me hating on Dr Phil, regarding the video I always thought those claims were dodgy. Vicarius Filii Dei in roman numerals doesn't add up to 666 because that relies on reading roman numerals incorrectly.

[thatnicekid04]

@Bingolly1 I have the Sabbath School Quaterly for July 2002. Where is it said that it is fake?

[PropheticLandmarks]

@Bingolly1

What dwight says is true Bingolly. Recent scholarship has thoroughly, and utterly debunked, smashed, and mutilated the arguments against Seventh-Day Adventists and their understanding of Vicarius Filii Dei being an official title. More than just Jerry Steven's new book, Edwin de Kock, a Professor, has written a masterpiece 900 page volume entitled "The Truth About 666 and the Story of the Great Apostasy"--2011. It's in digital form and is just on its way to print.

[Bingolly1]

@PropheticLandmarks Where did you get your information?  Thanks

[PropheticLandmarks]

@Bingolly1

You can purchase the book at AdventistsAffirm . org -- as soon as it is published. It's just now being printed. It will be close to 900 pages, in hard-cover format. "The Truth About 666".

[omarkarrow]

This is such a petty non argument It truly blinds people

for 2000 yrs. looking for a cult of personality.

shephard dogs & swine priests should have been looking

for the rise of a power. An institution. Principality. They got all jammed up on accusing some MAN.

Well now take a look at the Apotheosis of George Washington= the temple builder & the social security # of his name. Do you have it?

1+2+3=6

1+2+3=6

1+2+3=6

what your social police security #?

123 - 12 - 3123 9 digits in a trinity

[kobasica]

ive been watching your videos. they are falacious. you must be a jesuit

[Bingolly1]

You don't even know what a Jesuit is, and know nothing about them, but from the fokelore hatemongers that teach you. Read the bible maybe you will learn about false witnessing.

[HallelujahForEver]

Hello kobasica, if you know croatian (or serbian) for it's our word, let me know, i tell you something very interesting about Jesuits....

[DavidVelezPerez]

Kobasica, you think his videos are falacious? More like FABULOUS!!!!

[0915lee]

yes bingolly let us use the language of the bible,ok?

[lamarridley2]

The Only title close to this has been used in obscure reference would be Vicar Of Christ not Vicar Of The Son Of God.But By Changing Christ To Son Of God One Can Get 666 In Latin But If So Then Every Ordained Minister Of The church Of England Would Also Be Anti-Christ as They Are All Called Vicar Of Christ.

[Bingolly1]

Thanks and for anyone to be correct they must then use the language of the Bible not just any numbers or language they like. I sent you a friends invite should you decide to accept it. God Bless

[Xplorer25028]

I'm also like you, i want to let everyone know just what my religion is :) I'm a Seventh Day Adventist, I understand you try and talk against them, which I'm not going to say anything about, but I think you should try look into the bible a little more. also, I think that Ellen G. White isn't speaking slanderous words. I believe that what she says is coming from God. I believe her visions were real. umm...I hope I never offended anyone. anywayz, God Bless y'all!

[Bingolly1]

If you do not believe Ellen White spoke slanderous words you are indeed brainwashed by a false prophet who predicted the return of Jesus at least 3 times. Then change the Bible to fit a failed prophetic chart. I guess you see nothing wrong in false prophecy. Thanks

[gdc934]

Some Catholics will respond to the Seventh-day Adventist that the number 666 can be derived from the name of Ellen Gould White, a prominent figure in the Adventist church. The letter "w" in this case, is proposed to be the equivalent of a double "v" or "u", which has a value of 5 and is therefore 10 when doubled..

[gdc934]

However, in Latin, a single "v" was used to represent the "w", "v" and "u" sound, the double-u (w) apparently evolved many centuries later in other languages. So, it would seem the correct rendering in Latin would be ELLEN GOVLD VHITE, which does not add up to 666.

[Bingolly1]

That is the same conclusion I come up with as well. I believe they fell to see that the NT was written in Greek and not Latin. God Bless

[jhanext]

nah! only 661 brother.. sorry

[PreacherTHC]

learn more by researching Mystery Babylon by Bill Cooper. now my point of all this is lets stop the fighting and arguments. lets not be byest. lets worship Christ alone, and try to love each other. please in the name of JESUS CHRIST lets LOVE each other. those of you who do not know Christ, Please get to know him, REPENT of your sins, Be baptized In the Name Of Yeshoua (Jesus Christ) for remission of your sins, and receive the holy spirt of GOD, Lest ye face judgement.

[Bingolly1]

PreacherTHC I am going to post your comments once. I have no desire to have conversations about the unhinged things you have tragically come to believe. William Cooper was a lunatic and your post are witness to how unbalanced people can become when they get involved with conspiracy and false teachers. You may be sincere, but you are tragically mislead.

[Bingolly1]

Cooper made the circuit making money giving lectures on his inside knowledge on how the power elites were hiding ufo information and that they had made an alliance with the aliens. His unusual ideas where that aliens had been manipulating mankind for centuries with witch craft, the occult and with our own religion. They used holograms to trick us, and of course he had all the exclusive inside privy on this secret info.

[Bingolly1]

He taught the false conspiracy that the bones of Christ were in France and he knew the location of them. Of course only he knew this special knowledge. What is also means is that he did not believe in the resurrection and accession of Christ. The conclusion is that he also teaches another Christ. I know all about William Cooper and his sad delusions. No thanks, I will stick to scripture not the false teachings and christ of a conspiracy cultist.

[PreacherTHC]

They rule from the shadows, you see. After the fall of man, the religion that was embraced by man was called astrotheolgy or the worship of the heavens.And the first object of worship was the SUN. second the Moon, or also known as Isis and Osiris. They belive that when our tree dwelling ancestors, came down and began to walk upright thus freeing there hands to be used as a tool of the mind as well as the body, thare began the most successful drive in evolution known to man.

[PreacherTHC]

It dont matter if your Catholic, protestant, or orthodox. These people are in control. And they hate YOU, they hate your fath, they want you dead!!! So they corrupt ALL of are churches, Orthodox, Protestant, and Catholic. they claim to be of the faith that they are in, but in secret they really worship in the ancient mysteries, or The Mystery Schools sometimes called MISTERY BABYLON.

[Bingolly1]

PreacherTHC - Your numerous comments are not relevant to this video and I will not post them.

[PreacherTHC]

I meant no disrespect, I Just was just putting the ten commandants up so that there would be no arguing about what they say and do not say. please forgive me for intruding. Your right, what I wrote is not the subject at hand and for that I'm Sorry. But if you will permit me to say someting to everyone else In the chat I would appreciate it.

[Bingolly1]

While you are at it tell me what religious affiliation you are since it seems you are ashamed to post it. So do not expect me to post another comment of yours if you will not expose your affiliation.

[Bingolly1]

Calm down before you have a stroke. Stop accusing me of things I have no control over. Sometimes my own post do not even show up until I have posted them several times. Now if you tell me what eating pig meat has to do with this video?

[anonmist]

william marion branham in his work "seven churches of revelation" says that he stood under the title written somewhere in the vatican

[Bingolly1]

Just shows you he can't be trusted to tell the truth doesn't it.

[anonmist]

truthfully this video seemed to me to be a pro-catholic video...or possibly anti another. if so why speak on truth?

[brent6319]

first off, i really like your videos! what about rapture, and what about foods that were forbidden in the old testiment? any videos on those topics?

Keep up the good work!

[Bingolly1]

I have a video up about the rapture. I do not get hung up on the food thing becuase many of those also dealt with the fact that they could not perserve food as we can today and God protected them in that way. Also the New Testamnet says that through prayer tings are cleansed and what God has cleansed let no man call unclean.

[AbsoluteBananaz]

Weren't they smarter than us? Also, didn't Joseph preserve food for an entire famine?

[Bingolly1]

I cannot believe the shallow understanding of the Bible that SDA exhibit. No wonder they are so confused by every thing. This is unbelievable.

[AbsoluteBananaz]

How is that shallow? I was merely stating that they were smarter than us! The Egyptians had electricity and bateries. You said they didn't know much about preserving food, well, Joseph preserved food for a famine, right?

[Bingolly1]

I cannot believe you are even asking that question. If SDA members have that shallow of an understanding I can see why they are messed up on all their doctrines.

[777cata]

isn`t it?

[DaddyBare2002]

why is it that you speak so loudly on that about which you, obviously, know NOTHING??? That passage to which you just referred concernikng "not calling unclean what God has cleansed" comes from Acts 10:9-17 {specifically, verse 15} Strangely, Peter was perplexed and DIDN'T know {immediately} what the VISION <--- {get it??} could mean {V.17}; but, then, HE wasn't blessed with YOUR "insight". {cont}

[Blackrose979]

Wasnt it the catholics who decided to make the sabbath sunday and not saturday since the church of rome wanted to keep its power over pagans who worshiped the sun on Sun-day?

Doesnt that mean the sabbath is really Saturday the seventh day of the week?

[Bingolly1]

You lack of understanding history is amazing. Your biasness is more amazing if that is what you believe.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Yes the Sabbath is the 7th or last day of the week. No, the Catholics didn't change it. The first day of the week being called Sunday by the Romans. Jewish Hebrew - Yom Rishon as they applied that to the first day of the week, and it was obviously God's first day of creation - compare that to Christ's first day of salvation for mankind when he rose from the dead on the first day of the week, obviously both glorious days. Yom Rishon Hebrew: יום ראשון), = "first day" = Sunday.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Isaiah has prophecy that the sabbaths will end. Jesus sermon on the mount repeats all the commandments except to keep the sabbath. Also keep in mind that the Jews were following the Roman calendar for all civil matters by 1BCE or BC and even during the Babylonian exile in 6 BCE the Jewish calendar was influenced and Babylonian names for the months were adopted into Jewish calandar. So Babylonian or Roman names were not something new to the Jews or Early Christians.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Early Christians were not going to gather in the Jewish synagogues & temples to worship as Christians, it would have been forbidden. The tales of Sunday being some nefarious plot to paganize Christianity is an old fable by a man named Alexander Hislop & the old lie has been perpetuated for over a 100 years now & debunked to many times - these clanging cymbals still make noise to try & convince people to ignore the bible & ignore history b/c of Ellen White's visions & Hislop's book.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Constantine I degree was for a Roman day of rest and Roman civil law. It was not a Christian or Jewish day of rest or an edict put out by the Church. Christ rose from the dead, Acts 20:7, John 20:19, Paul discusses the 1st day of the week Col 2:16, John had his revelation on Sunday, Greek name for Sunday Κυριακή, means "Lord's Day." a term the early Christians were already familar with.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

The Didache (or The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles) 14:1 (c. 70 A.D.)

"On the Lord's own day gather together and break bread and give thanks, having first confessed your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure." (12)

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 A.D.)

The First Apology - "And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things ... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, (cont)

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 A.D.)- because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead."

[Bingolly1]

You stole a video from me:) Great summary

[observingwatcher]

What bothers me most of all is that these people continue to cling to these myths about the Pope and RCC in general even if you did present this evidence to them.

In fact, just recently I responded to a comment that had such anti-Catholic claims but when I presented some of the evidence you gave here, all the bloke said was that my 'head is in the sand' and that I was wrong and he was right.

Seriously, just what is wrong with these people?

[Bingolly1]

There biasness and bitterness toward the Catholic Church is clear. Lies, slander or anything they can use is fair game to the. Forged documents and things that do not exist is the norm for these people. I will continue to get the truth out so those who have not fallen for their lies will see that there is some one who will stand against these lies. Thanks

[andrerosh89]

i used to think that the rcc was bad and feel guilty of the pass history of my Catholic church...but i feel even more sick when these people use the black history of the rcc to create a blaker future! futhermore the church has been reformed after vatican 2 can't they just forgive? i mean the germans have been forgiven of their nazi past but the church is still getting bashed!!! haha

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Some events that happened in the past are tragic, but the entire body of the Catholic Church was not involved. Because of distance and communication most Catholics didn't even know about some events. The church has apologized for some of its members. And the Inquisitions & crusades are seriously blown out of context in numbers of deaths & the Churches involvement. There are Papal statements that show the church didn't approve of violence that was done by church members or civil authorities.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Vatican II was a reform of the liturgy. The problem is that some of 30,000+ denominational new fruits of the early Protestant reformers know nothing of Catholic history other than what anti-catholics write, these tales are for the sake of scare mongering people away from the church or out of it.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Vicarius Filii Dei, Whore of Babylon, etc., all are tales from when Protestants broke away & they keep resurfacing decade after decade since then, like it is the Gospel truth. The newest legend is Hitler's Pope -It's all nonsense, but the good news is that there are good Christian Protestant who don't believe everything they hear. God bless!

[Radfahrer1985]

I am a catholic and proud of it! alot of videos about christianity i saw on youtube, made my protestants, mostly baptists were strongly anti catholic, kinda "davehundlike." today i came across you and checked out your profile and saw some of your videos (about who the whore of babylon is, latin kingdom....) and i am surprised. at first i thought you would dislike me for being a catholic. but you dont? you dont think that we are the whore? wow! what do you think about us? please explain.

[Bingolly1]

I do not believe that God gave us a Bible that would cause confusion abd speculation so the proper interpretation must come from within the Bible. When I do that it is clear to me that the Catholic Church does not even come close. It does, however, fit the mind of people who give no consideration to what the Bible says. Simply put, guess work is not Bible. Thanks

[theblackcrusaders]

I havent watched any of the other videos so if you answered this question in one of them, please excuse me, but, i want to know why are you using the word Christian, when talking about papal matters, shouldn't you say Catholic?

[Bingolly1]

I use the word Christian because that is what Catholics are. Papal matters are Christian matters. I have no problem calling Catholics my brothers and sisters in Christ.

[Bingolly1]

Do you not find a problem with these people who lie about other Christians?

[theblackcrusaders]

But don't catholics Diefy the virgin mary? do they not believe that mary is also a saviour? dont they belive in purgatory (not in the bible) dont they worship graven images and don't they make vain repetitions in their prayers? If they are Christians, why not call them Christians? Please let me know were I erred in my assumptions. Thank you.

[Bingolly1]

!. No 2. No 3. No 4. No 5. No BTW what is your religious faith.

[theblackcrusaders]

I am a Christian.

[Bingolly1]

That is the answer I thought I would get. Always comes from people with little or no understanding of anything.

[Bingolly1]

That answer just shows you do not have a solid foundation for anything and do not even know what you believe. What does any of this have to do with the lies of 7Rojah7's videos. He is as dishonest as his father, Satan.

[theblackcrusaders]

NO...Such a simple answer to some very important questions, so you mean the catholics dont say novina's and they dont pray to the rosary beads, you mean they dont believe in purgatory or penants? you mean they dont pray to statues of mary and they don't believe she is the mediatrix between Our Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ and other catholics?

[Bingolly1]

Do you think you should ask Catholics these questions?

[theblackcrusaders]

I'm asking the person who is defending them.

[Bingolly1]

I see all you want is bull so find another pasture. Good Night

[ericktiu]

Roman Numeral seven symbols: I for 1, V for 5, X for 10, L for 50, C for 100, D for 500, and M for 1000.

When a numeral is smaller than the numeral to the right, however, the numeral on the left should be subtracted from the numeral on the right. For instance, XIV = 14 and IX = 9.

Roman numerals.

VICAIVS FILII DEI doesn't add up to 666.

Here is how it should be done in roman numerals.

VI-C-IV-I-L-II-D-I

VI=6,C=100, IV=4, I=1, L=50, I=1, I=1, D=500, I=1 total is 664.

[Bingolly1]

Thanks! I will looks closer at them. There are several more things about those videos I will point out. Could not handle them all in one video.

[Bingolly1]

The name is not real to start with. So it doesn't really matter what number system one uses although it should be the Greek since that is what Revelation was written in.

[meobjackdeo]

Here is a quote I found

(In Latin) Adorandi Dei Filii Vicarius et Procurator, quibus numen aeternum summam Ecclesiae sanctae dedit,

(In English) Honorable Vicar of God's Son and Caretaker, which by divine will has been eternally given the highest rank of the holy Church, ... Bafianae (January 11, 1968), Decree elevating the Prefecture of Bafia, Cameroon, to a Diocese: Acta Apostolicae Sedis, vol. LX (1968), n. 6, pp. 317-319. Scans: Title - 317 - 318 - 319.

[Romans1013A]

I guess he did get his name right on the video. A saw several more mistakes myself.

[Bingolly1]

There are plenty more but I could not get them all in one video. Wait till you see the next one.

[ByFaith12]

It takes a person filled with biasness and animosity to lie and use forged documents to slander Christians. I am glad someone challenges these deceivers. I see most Christians think this is some king of game or something.

[Bingolly1]

Disagreeing with someones religious beliefs is one thing but to lie and distort history and the Bible is more the work of an Antichrist to me.