Keith Thompson VS Nadir Ahmed Debate: Is Paul a true apostle? 3/8

[MsHisservant]

nadir there is not even any proof that the Quran is authentic. there is more proof for the OT and the NT than there is there is for the Qur'an,,,,,,,,,,,,,seems Mohammed had a book that spewed how alot of hate and men marrying 6 years old girls

[infotruther]

this satanist has not said anything of substance at all. nadir that is.

[FreeInChrist777]

Can this man please slap him in the face? Has he not heard of the dead sea scrolls? His argument has been rebuked and proven over and over again when will he research his own arguments. The Bible consists of 66 books written over a period of 1,500 years and it says the same story, the Quran however is one big book from Heaven which has contradictions and you can easily see the mistakes of the person who wrote it.

[KhalasAsif]

Whats so special about Paul? He never met Jesus and was appointed by him only in his dreams

[FreeInChrist777]

@KhalasAsif He got a revelation by Jesus in a vision not a dream. He saw Jesus in real life not in a dream read the Bible correctly. Paul was a better prophet then even Mohammed compare Paul and Mohammed and you will see that Mohammed was nothing compared to a Godly man like Paul. Even in your own Quran and Hadiths you can see that Jesus is a way way better prophet then Mohammed and makes Mohammed look like a phony. God bless you in Jesus name, may you come out of the darkness of Islam.

[KhalasAsif]

@FreeInChrist777 In reality we call that a hallucination. All kinds of people claim to get these kind of visions of Jesus and other things, like Nabeel Qureshi for example.

[FreeInChrist777]

@KhalasAsif Khalas we can say the same for Mohammed, Mohammed had no witnesses that can be proof that he spoke to an Angel, Jesus on the hand appeared to many people. The angel only appeared to Mohammed and there was no witnesses for Mohammed. And also how would Mohammed be able to memorize every single thing the angel said to him when he didn't even know how to read and write, isn't it ironic that a man who cant read and write can memorize a whole book? Sounds fishy to me.

[GodLovesUs100]

I"m not really into listening to debates but listening to this one already, I am shocked.I knew Muslims were deceived but is it this bad? I didn't understand one piece of logic in Nadir's speech.All the points he made were not relative to what you said because he left some of it out of context, like the last supper point, did he catch the fact that you said Paul described it before the gospels?Can't wait to listen to the rest only 4:22 min in..May God lead Nadir.

[Vball2718]

nadir sounds like he's about 5 years old.

[crekow]

Keith,

Sorry, I meant to say 1-3 century AD - not BC.

See what happens when I type too fast?

[crekow]

Nadir is NOT a good speaker, but he does have a point.

The Bible can not be used to authenticate or validate itself.

That IS circular reasoning. One must accept the Church first and then accept the Bible based on the testimony of the Church and 2000 years of history and consistent teaching. This is a position of faith - the kind of "proof" that Nadir seeks will not be found - it doesn't exist. God gives us indications and asks us to respond with faith - "proof" will only come in the afterlife.

[KeithTruth]

@crekow The only people who say that we can't use the Biblical books as evidence for useful tools for history are people who are not familiar with the historical method. No serious scholar will ever claim that you can't use Pauls writings or acts as useful documents. Thanks.

[crekow]

Keith, Let me rephrase my point . I didn't say that there is any doubt among "serious scholars" that the NT scriptures are ancient documents from 1-3 cent. BC.

Yes, there are many ways to show their antiquity. Even non-believing scholars accept that (generally). I meant that you can not "prove" that the Scriptures are the Word of God just because they say so. That is clearly circular reasoning. I accept that the Bible is the Word of God because the Church has said that they are for 2000 yrs.

[KeithTruth]

Well I think you are attacking a straw man then because I appealed to the scriptures for the apostleship of St. Paul, not to show that the Bible is the word of God. I think there was a miscommunication but I do agree with your last statement there.

[followerofjesus1984]

@KeithTruth i will back up this one keith, when this commenter says u cant us the bible to validate its self, there is 2 thing i must point out, the followers of muhammad do this thing called pull the bible verses to back there side up, and we are not do this in there veiw

then they use there own book to prove its self

[HolisticPhilosopher]

Nadir:

Your straw-men arguments only have influence on those who are ignorant of the facts. For everyone else, your arguments are entirely useless, and senseless. My suggestion to you is that you start listening to the person you are debating and refute the points they are presenting. It seems no matter who you debate your responses are always the same, regardless of the variety of counter-assertions made. I'll stop there since the rest of my comments are not constructive.

[ouweopah]

This guy sounds an atheïst. Enough said.

[onecare01]

The old testament confirms the new give give it a break.

[forzaitalia2]

nadir...really awful rebuttle/speach. whatever

[Matthew23and9]

the more Nadir laughs, the more it shows he's not a man of God

[LuxAuterna]

It is people like Nadir that perpetuate the lies and deciet and try to bring the word of truth to disrepute. "Those that oppose him (servants of the Lord) he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to knowledge and truth... and escape from the trap of the devil who has taken them captive to do his will" (2 Timothy 2:25).

[peaceman1ess]

i believe Jesus is prophet not God or son of god

[KeithTruth]

Then you disagree with Jesus because he is the sole inique son of God in John 3:18

[nebulajr]

You disagree with Jesus Mr. Truth

[pello777]

How old is this Nadir guy? A teenage muslim debater would make more sense than this guy, I am telling you. I saw his debate with White and after putting up a poor show, declared victory on his website, LOL.

[DesiLeaks]

@KeithTruth So is Jesus son or god almighty himself. Is he a begotten son? Is he a result of sexual act or was born with the permission of God? If he is son and born with the will of god than how can he be a god? Do u beleive in prophets who were sent before jesus? if yes then what makes jesus not a prophet? performing miracles and miraculous birth is proof of gods power, then how come u claim jesus is god? make some sense in ur reply

[peaceman1ess]

Joshua 6:20-21

20So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.

[frasernater13]

islam was created because muhamid didn't understand greek, met a greek speaking Christian monk and then tried to write a document of christianity, so reraly islam was created by a mistranslation, (he thought the trinity was the mother, the father and the son)

[RPM11111]

Keith why are you wasting your precious time and gifts trying to reason with men who produce such arguments. Jesus could heal this guy on the sabbath and he still wouldn't recognise Him. He will throw red herring after red herring for you to deal with while you could be preaching the Gospel. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems like 'pearls to swine'. May GOD sustain, guide and protect you in Christ.

[Zechariah46]

JESUS CHRIST LIVES!!!!

[preludetogn1]

Same "logic", Muhammad claimed to be a prophet. Nadir called Keith kid but honestly Nadir is the one with objections that i listened just to atheist or muslim teenagers.

[LokiTeslar2012]

200 yrs after? thatsrubbish nadir all the evidence points to much earlier authorship. this isnt really a debate.. nadir tries to sound clever but hasnt answered what keith asked and the fact is you can corroborate the bible with the bible if the corroboration comes from another book, author and part of the world yet fits perfectly into the overall picture supports evidence from another part..

[LokiTeslar2012]

This is one advantage of the bible being the complex divine tapestry that it is rather than something some demonically inspired loon put together over a few rainy afternoons between sex sessions with his child-wife Aisha..

[PhoenixTears25]

Awesome work Keith!!

[PhoenixTears25]

This guy makes no sense!!

[JensenJoseph2008]

What proof does Nadir have that Prophet Mohammed is a true prophet, Muhammad is a self proclaimed prophet and has not even got one prophecy? Is he a prophet..Do you have any evidence other than Islamic literature...?

[cruzj07]

true!

mohammad has the least historical proof ever!

He barely ha any historical backing, while christianity aparantly has tons.

[Dragonlady66]

There is no historical evidence outside of islamic history for the one called Muhammad born in 570 to amina and abdullah in Mecca etc. No one outside of muslims ever wrote of him even though he was apparently responsible for the rape and pillage of their countries.

[megawolf7]

Exactly. Nadir claims that Keith is saying the Bible is true because the Bible is true but he quotes the Koran and Hadith assumes they are true and gives no proof. What an ass.

[EyeRwra]

do you have any evidience other than the bible that jesus is the son of god?

[KeithTruth]

Yeah. The rise 1st century Christianity.

[LokiTeslar2012]

lots, you should research it

[EyeRwra]

give me just one

[KeithTruth]

The Bible is 66 independant works spanning a range of 1600 years confirming Jesus as son of God. What more could you want?

There is also the rise of early Christianity. Since you don't appreciate or know what the Bible is I understand you want other sources. But think about your question first.. think critically. Now, Ignatius, Polycarp testify Jesus as son of God in the 1st century. Pliny the youngers letter also attests to Christians sing hyms to Jesus as if he were God. etc etc

[EyeRwra]

i dont want evidience cause i know there are no evidiences becaus noboy can proof that jesus is the son of god or mohammed is a prophet or even if god exsists. you have to believe it. thats my point. so how can lokuteslar2012 say that mohammed was not a prophet.

[KeithTruth]

Well muhammad is claiming to be in the line of biblical prophets. Problem is those prophets gave prophethood tests to see if a man is a true prophet. Muhammad failed duet 18:20 and 1 john 4:2-4.

Also, if you don't want evidence they why ask for evidence. Your preconcieved notion is that there is no evidence. Therefor if Jesus told you he was the son of God himself you would deny it.