Ya know, it sounds like a pretty fucking stupid story men has imposed upon us for too long about the make believe man Jesus. They must have been losing power and needed a boost back in the Roman Canon Law days to gain power over the people, so they created a fake character named Jesus. When you dig for the truth, you get it and sometimes it's not very pleasant because the truth hurts when you are going with the false ideas of the world.
all u christians out there, go check out the video 2.0 deconversion by evid3nc3.
its a nice documentary style of how an uber christian dude becomes an athiest. gives nice points for reason to doubt the christian religion. theres lots of good evidence in there.
I love how everytime Dawkins says something smart in this documentary, music plays to replace the "ZING!". It happened saying he does care about the answer when talking to the Christian school earlier with a harmonica, and after saying that good people religion thing some techno music plays.
@andrben A loving creator that adhere's to the will and want of man? Then who would be the "God" then? Man had nothing to do with the beginning, so why or how does his logic always suggest what God should do or how life should be? And if he doesnt work within those limits and bounderies its means for discrediting him? If man can determine those things then surely he should have the answers to a billion other questions.
Epicurus: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God."
Let me ask you this, people against stem cell research and abortion. What would you do if a house was on fire and there was a little girl stuck in one cage and embryos in test tubes in another. Which would you pick to save? You can only pick one. There are 5000 embryos in the test tube, but only one child... one LIVING child, that feels pain. One child that will cry and scream while she burns. Now you are feeling like some people feel when you tell them they are going to hell.
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion".
we dont value after the knowledge of sorroundings is basically what he said..... Bullshit... We kill animals everyday, sometimes for fun(bullfighting) and we dont give a shit(some ofcourse hate bullfighting, as do it) because we dont belive that animals in anyway suffer by dying.
Prophecies cannot be used as a valid argument. If I say a a man will be born who will liberate a great city, chances are this event will occur within a few thousand years. This applies to the bible as well. "Prophecies" will almost inevitably come true at some point in time within a 7 thousand year span. Please provide your best argument for religion.
Guitarbyous I'm an alt of dude131138. Saying the bible proves itself is known as "circular logic", one of the worst mistakes a debater can make. Also scientist do not use "maybe's" in their conclusions. If this were true we would not have the great technologies we have today. This probably stems from a misconception of the word "theory". A SCIENTIFIC theory differs from the layman theory because it is a conclusion based on Observation, Inferences, and SCIENTIFIC LAW. The bible is a hypothesis.
Pol Pot athiest, Took every citizen who lived in a city and forced them into the fields which later became known as the killing fields, some mass graves contain up to 30 thousand skulls. He said that in cambodia it was year zero. He was backed by the USA goverment. The Khmer rouge were a band of power hungry psychos who ran around killing, raping, and doing whatever they want. Pol Pot makes anything and everything that is not loyal to the state as a crime including having a famiy.
Somebody in here told me that God predicted that king harod would kill the children of isreal wow your brilliant man. Why not blame the weather man for the hurricanes and tornadoes that destroy people and property. God tells us prophecies so we can know the future If i told you that tommorow if you walked outside and would die and you didnt listen who's fault is that? Of course its the same principle with your unbelief you think God doesnt exist but like it says in the Bible
@Mider999 CONT. That in the days of Noah they ate and drank and married and gave in marriage till the flood came and only eight people in the entire world servived. You talk about science like its all proven and stuff its just theorys which you claim all religion is a theory. Oh look im an athiest but i diserve respect and human dignity because i believe we came from a monkey or from some promirdial sludge. But its totally ok to kill would be children in abortion cause they cant think
Unreligious man whores and female whores have oodles of kids who they cant even support or just choose not to support, These kids grow up with out proper support from an adult figure the absance of a father figure is devestating to a child. But as i said these are athiest not Christian actions because a Christian cannot do these things with out commiting sin nad having to repent. Only then would God re welcome then into the fold they also would have to forgive others
@Mider999 u do realize that science has never ordered for wars(crusades) or witch hunts or other nonsence. christians and non christians get divorced at the same rate, and atheists actually donate to charity more than christians. if hitler wasn't a catholic then why didn't he persecute them? he persecutes mostly jews. christianity doesn't stop people from doing bad things. do u think that every crome in the world has been done by atheists? also the bible tells u to kill people that believe
@Mider999 let's look at your first commandment:"Thou shalt have no other Gods before me". guess what we have to do with people that break this commandment. we must kill them. Duet 17:2-7, Take the man or woman that has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death." now what if an entire community believes in another god? we kill them all too. Duet 13:13-19 "... you must attack the townand completely destroy all it's in habitants...".
@Mider999 also science has saved millions of people it's not only a bad thing. if you look at all the people that were killed using advances in science it is nothing compared to your god. your god destroyed almost everything on the earth in the flood.
@dude131138 Religion has also converted criminals into law abiding citizens even serial killers...............................yeah thanks for pointing out the fact that religion works maybe not for you cause you deny a God you cant even disprove how did we prove God? We have proof of God because people who are so vile and have done such horrible things can actually be changed by Gods love. Can science say the same? Maybe it can with pills and stuff that is short term
@Mider999 just because people believe and start following the moral codes set by the bible doesn't mean that god changed them. you do realize that most prisoners are from some branch of christianity? and there are very few atheists in prison. about 1% of the people in prison are atheist. so your whole idea that all christian live moral lives and all atheists are whores and criminals your wrong.
@Mider999 CONT. both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them." now we have to kill all homosexuals. Deut 21:18-21 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn
@dude131138 and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid." now we have to kill rebelious teenagers.
@dude131138 Thanks for qouting stuff that happend 2000 years ago. It just seems to me that God has rules and he expects them to be followed, people like you dont wanna follow them and thus your punished, Today we dont run around killing homosexuals Christ didnt want Christians to be some cleansing army if they were then they wouldnt have been tied up and burned alive in rome. Your ignorenent of common sense
@dude131138 These things happend 2000 years ago when the jews had been indoctronated in the egyptain and other pegan ways. God set them aside and these laws were made as the standard by which people live.
@dude131138 if your god is so loving then explain why god would god want you to kill people that aren't the same religion as you? the quote is on the second or third page.Exodus 35:2"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." think about all the people who work on the sabbath. god wants you to kill them.Leviticus 20:13: If a man lies with a male as with a woman,
@dude131138 He killed them back then because they sacrificed there own kids and because they were in his country were he made his rules clear. there was pegan countries sorrounding Isreal and he left them alone but when they did invade God punished them. When in hte New Testament did Jesus ever have anyone executed? Show me please
@Mider999 "The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever." [Isaiah 40 verse 8]. the same thing is said in 1 peter 1 24-25. and in Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect." if god is perfect and his law is perfect then we should do theses things today right? the bible tells us to. do u follow these rules? of course you don't. no one does because they understand that these parts of the bible are nonsense. it doesn't say that these rules are only for
@Mider999 pagans. if god is all knowing and perfect then do people ignore the old testament? he couldn't have been wrong and he couldn't have changed his mind he's all knowing and perfect.
@dude131138 Mao continued. Mao was not religious he instead fed off the youth of China using heavy duty propeganda, Chairman Mao was responsible for the cultural revolution which like Pol Pot saw to the assault and death of many people just because they were more intelligent then most others.
@Mider999 being a an atheist doesn't make you a horrible person. all atheists don't go around killing people. hitler was a christian and he often said it in his speeches. he used his interpretation of christianity as a reason for antisemitism. think about swine flu. didn't science make a vaccine for that? think about small pox. science found a vaccine for that too. without science diseases would run rampant. if science didn't discover bacteria and stuff we wouldn't have good hygiene
@Mider999 because there would be no reason for it. since i'm just going to say something then you'll deny it and then i'll say something and then you'll deny it why don't we just end this conversation and save both of us some time?
@dude131138 What have i denied? Your not denying that athiests have caused masive evil. Thus atheism is just as dangerous as any of the religions you HATE. Why? Because some people see that since there is no God or the solid subjects of good nad evil they can do whatever they want. I mean seriously you think that you can make good and evil as you go along cant you? Yet thousands of years ago people killed each other over food and clothing. If you lived back then you would too i bet.
@Mider999 CONTINUED from above. And lets face it it wasnt even that many thousands of years ago but centuries and even decades that all these great progressive athiest pigs were putting down black people for being black. You must have never read in the bible were one of the apostles preached to an ethiopian and Christ preached to samaritans. Thus He was not racist. Your type athiests do it cause they believe they are GENETICALLY supirior
@Mider999 atheism doesn't cause evil. does atheim ever call for wars, witch hunts etc. yes there were evil atheists and there were evil theists. atheists have morals but since you will never accept that we should just end this argument now.
@dude131138 You dont accept that Christians have morals GOOD ONES when people actually use there heads and read the Bible properly. Your morals are made up as you go along like i said.
@Mider999 we don't need a god to have morals. there are christians in jail and all atheists aren't in jail. about 1% of the people in jail are atheist. if people would come up with a set of morals then they would come up with things like don't kill and don't steal because no one wants that in society only crazy people. we don't need a god to tell us what to do.
@dude131138 Even this loser says that oh i dont believe in my morality enough that id act on it. Thats you too. YOU PROVE TO ME God doesnt exist. You want proof? Look at a new born baby and tell me that That Baby is just a descendent of primordial muck. look at the universe and say that there is no intelligent design. Look at nature and see that there is no God you only see what you wanan see man
@Mider999 y would i need to prove it to u? i don't believe in god because there is no proof of him. if u claim that there is a god u need to back it up right? i can claim to be a millionare and if i say u can't prove that i'm not a millionare, does that make me rich? u really have to go back and find out what evolution really is based on your comment u have no understanding of it and don't go to some christian website. a baby being born is explained by science. the universe is explained too
@Mider999 let's say that i believe in leprechauns and u don't. would u need proof because you say they aren't real because there isn't proof for them? or would i need proof because i'm the one saying that they're real? now give me some proof for god or stop talking to me.
@dude131138 Well since i believe in the Bible i have to believe in ghosts and tings like that and spirits and thus leprechauns, fairys, all that crap are just damn supernatural beings. There are people who are scientists who study this stuff you know? Im sure they are smarter then you or me. There are plenty of people who are athiest or were and they had a run in with demonic forces. How did Daniel predict things like the fall of Babylon and the rise of Persia then all the way to Rome?
@Mider999 Your type loves to say oh it was written after it happend but the persians i believe were astounded at the fact that years before the persians came the prophets had predicted there overtaking of babylon
@Mider999 many of the bibles prophecies are vague. there are also prophecies that haven't happened like these: Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13). Ezekiel said Egypt would be made an uninhabited wasteland for forty years (29:10-14), and Nebuchadrezzar would plunder it (29:19-20). Neither happened.
@dude131138 These prophecies about the persians were not vague to the persians. And the Bible also says that egypt would no longer be a world power as it was in ancient times......guess what ITS NOT anymore.
@Mider999 that could easily be explained. before the bible was written there were many empires that were very powerful and they all eventually collapsed. anyone that understands history can come to the conclusion that empires have a time of prosperity but then they weaken and fall. also if some prophecies are false, then that means that whoever made them wasn't all knowing. if there are false ones then we can't believe the rest. anyone can be right some of the time but for the bible to be
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
GREAT!! The scriptures said GREAT!! Which means that it will be on a large scale!! So stop trying to slight the irrefutable evidence because you only look more and more ignorant!!
@guitarbyous it's still ambiguous but since u can't see that i'll show u somehting else. there are also prophecies that haven't happened like these: Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13). Ezekiel said Egypt would be made an uninhabited wasteland for forty years (29:10-14), and Nebuchadrezzar would plunder it (29:19-20). Neither happened.
@dude131138 This is a testament of you selectively picking scriptures to force a contradiction. Now heres another rebuttal to your ignorance
2Ch 8:7 ¶ [As for] all the people [that were] left of the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which [were] not of Israel, 2Ch 8:8 [But] of their children, who were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel consumed not, them did Solomon make to pay tribute until this day.
And heres another case of you not understanding the scriptures!
Eze 29:21 ¶ In that day will I cause the horn of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth in the midst of them; and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.
IN THAT DAY!!! Its reffering to a later time and place!! The name Egypt ment HOUSE OF BONDAGE!! And Nebuchadrezzar was the king of Babylon which was destroyed in Babylon! Isa14:4-32
Are you stupid? Where is that in the scriptures that Egypt wasnt a wasteland?
Now what happened to your "evidence, disproof etc? The scriptures said that they were destroyed .
SO SINCE YOU HAVE NO REPROVE
AND CAN NO LONGER CONJURE UP LIES ILL TAKE IT THAT THIS IS YOUR SUBMISSION BEING THAT YOUR RESPONSES HAVE TRINKLED DOWN TO: "YES IT IS! AN NO ITS NOT"! Without any explainationas to why it is or aint. THATS ANOTHER DEMON IN THE TRASH! LMAO!
@guitarbyous i was just saying that your prophecies did not deny the failed ones i showed u. your first set of quotes mention the children as staying in the land and it didn't mention the canaanites. your second set of quotes did not show that egypt was a wasteland for 40 years or that Nebuchadrezzar. i looked at the quote u didn't put up. now here are some more quotes.
@guitarbyous (Ezek 26:1 ) "In the eleventh year, on the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came to me:" (Ezek 26:7 ) "For thus says the Lord GOD: I will bring against Tyre from the north King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon, king of kings, together with horses, chariots, cavalry, and a great and powerful army."(Ezek 26:14) "I will make you a bare rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets. You shall never again be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, says the Lord GOD."
"Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13)".
This is my answer:
2Ch 8:7-8! Which showed those nations did get destroyed!! But you mentioned Josh 15:63 when it didnt say "Canaanites" in it,but it was good enough for you to try and use it to discredit scripture? CONTRADICTION!!!
@guitarbyous (Ezek 27:32) "In their wailing they raise a lamentation for you, and lament over you: "Who was ever destroyed like Tyre in the midst of the sea?"13 YEARS OF FUTILE EFFORT BY NEBUCHADREZZAR LATER. (Ezek 29:17) In the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came to me: HERE HE ADMITS THAT HE IS WRONG.
@guitarbyous (Ezek 29:18) Mortal, King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon made his army labor hard against Tyre; every head was made bald and every shoulder was rubbed bare; yet neither he nor his army got anything from Tyre to pay for the labor that he had expended against it.
@guitarbyous u can't explain this can u? he says something and even admits that he is wrong. i picked this because it is the simplest. now that your whole idea that prophecies prove the bible is shattered we can end this.
Amo 1:9 ¶ Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of TYRUS, and for four, I will not turn away [the punishment] thereof; because they delivered up the whole captivity to Edom, and remembered not the brotherly covenant:
He never said he was wrong, neither did he say that Tyre would'nt be destroyed! Amo 1:10 But I will send a fire on the wall of Tyrus, which shall devour the palaces thereof.
@dude131138 And Eze 27:32 gives the prophetic description of Tyre after Alexander had used the ruins of mainland Tyre to build a causeway to the isle. WHICH IS A PROPHECY FULFILLMENT!
@guitarbyous josh 17:13"But when the Israelites grew strong, they put the Canaanites to forced labor, but did not utterly drive them out."josh 15:63 "But the people of Judah could not drive out the Jebusites, the inhabitants of Jerusalem; so the Jebusites live with the people of Judah in Jerusalem to this day."2 ch 8:8 "from their descendants who were still left in the land, whom the people of Israel had not destroyed—these Solomon conscripted for forced labor, as is still the case today."
Jdg 2:2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? Jdg 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be [as thorns] in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
@guitarbyous Ezek26:7 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. Ezek 26:8 "He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee." so when they say he in the line right after he mentions Nebuchadrezzar he is actually
ROTFL!!! Aww you are upset because your comprehension have proven to be a fail.
For the last time remedial one.
Eze 26:4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock.
Alexander was responsible for this, But King Nebuchadrezzar was responble for this: Isa 23:1, The nations that helped Alexander was Eze 26:3
@guitarbyous the bibla says that nebuchadrezzar would destroy tyre.Ezek26:7 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. Ezek 26:8 "He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee." he actually failed. ezekiel
@guitarbyous then realized he was wrong and wrote that god changed his mond and wanted to give nebuchadrezzar egypt instead. that prophecy i just showed u is incorrect. of course nations will rise against tyre it happens with every civilization. just look at the US, britian, germany, japan, etc. it happened throughout history
Well who destroyed Tyre in Isa 23:1? Egypt was also trembled because they knew that the most high had an issue with them also in Ezekiel 32. You have nothing to stand on here! You have been reproved!
@guitarbyous u still don't seem to realize that ezekiel said that nebuchadrezzar "He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee." and he was wrong. and was egypt a wasteland for 40 years where there was no life at all. that prophecy was wrong also.
Isa 23:1 ¶ The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them.
AND THAT HE WASNT WRONG ABOUT DESTROYING TYRE BECAUSE HE CLEARLY DID!!! He did biblically and historically! You cant dispute this!
@guitarbyous READ VERY CAREFULLY. EZEKIEL SAID NEBUCHADREZZAR WOULD DESTROY TYRE AND HE DID NOT. AFTER HE DIDN'T EZEKIEL ADMITTED IT AND SAID THAT THE LORD CHANGED HIS MIND. he was wrong so just admit it. i'm using the bible i'm not just making ridiculous claims. in the bible it never said nebuchadrezzar destroyed tyre. it said that he will and the bible was wrong. isaiah never mentions nebuchadrezzar!
@guitarbyous "Nebuchadnezzar engaged in a thirteen year siege of Tyre (585-572 BC), which ended in a compromise, with the Tyrians accepting Babylonian authority." "Nebuchadrezzar then engaged in a 13-year siege of great Phoenician city of Tyre (585-572 B.C.E.), which ended, if not in outright victory, with the Tyrians accepting Babylonian authority. Following the pacification of Tyre....." he NEVER destroyed it!
OMG!! "read carefully" How simple can a grown man be?
So your logic says that since Isaiah never mentions Nebuchadrezzar then its not reffering to him? Then who destroyed it dude131138? Surely if you can come to the conclusion that Isaiah 23 isnt reffering to Nebuchadrezzar, then surely you must provide who Isaiah is reffering to (according to the bible).
In oreder to get the proper understanding of the bible you must know how to read it!
Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
So you cant read the bible straight through and have a clear understanding of whats going on! Anyway!
Ezekiel 26:7 explained who will destroy Tyre, so why do we need Isa 23 to say "Nebuchadrezzar" when the scripture said already who will be responsible?
Ex. When doing one of your scientific experiments using water(but the water is not a major part of the experiment), is it necessary state the formula of H2o all the way down to how it formed after the big bang theory when its already understood?
So the question is who destroyed it? And what scripture is it? Isaiah 23 is a prophecy like the many others in the bible! Why have'nt you addressed the fact that the outcome of Tyre is AS PROPHECIED!!
The status of old Tyre is as Ezekiel prophecied TO THIS DAY!!! Which is why your only comeback is(a dead one i might add) "It was'nt destroyed". Without considering the prophecy that it willl be used for fishermans nets,the city will be like rocks, the walls will be torn off, and many nations will attack it. Which the bible AND history confirmed. Face it! You cant refute the truth.
@guitarbyous did nebuchadrezzar completely destroy tyre? no. did the bible say he would? yes there u go end of story. what u are referring to is part of the chapter. part of it is true but that part is wrong u can't explain that other than targeting the word "he" in the next line. u say that that applies to alexander, the crusaders, etc. why would it do that if it says nebuchadrezzar in the line right before?
"u say that that applies to alexander, the crusaders, etc. why would it do that if it says nebuchadrezzar in the line right before?"
WTF are you talking about? it says:
Eze 26:4 And THEY shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock.
This is where Alexander(and the nations that assisted him) came in and used the remains(left from NeBuchadrezzar) of the city.
To build a causeway but it didnt work. Yes the inhabitants of Tyre did flee to the isle but Isa 23:1-10 showed how they fleed to the Isle. Now to show how your desperate attempts to make your misundertandings fit, you pulled up something talking about the new Tyre. And the Isle of the old Tyre is a fishing Village.
The old city of Tyre(whom the Lord destroyed) is clearly nonexistent!
@guitarbyous "Tyre is an ancient Phoenician city and the legendary birthplace of Europa and Elissa (Dido). Today it is the fourth largest city in Lebanon[4] and houses one of the nation's major ports. Tourism is a major industry." yeah it was never rebuilt
Google Tyre ruins. They are still there and have not been habitated even in this day!
And the article will also show you who played part in destroying it. Now if you contest conclusive evidence then its futile to try and show you truth. I showed you ample evidence, broke down and interpreted scriptures for you (with all of the history and bible verses fitting perfect) and STILL you are contentous. So you can lose yourself at this point! YOU HAVE BEEN REPROVED!!
Technically Ezekiel said THEY will destroy the walls of Tyre.Eze 26:4-5
Your mind is so stuck on Nebuchadrezzar, but refuse to see that the scriptures said that MANY nations will destroy the walls of Tyre. So yes he did go to Tyre and CAUSE destruction!!!
@guitarbyous For thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will bring upon Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, chariots, cavalry and a great army.
"He will slay your daughters on the mainland with the sword; and he will make siege walls against you, cast up a ramp against you and raise up a large shield against you.- ezekiel 26:7-8 did he do this?
Vindication rules the nation!!! Opinions are subject to arbitrary beliefs, so they are not valid in a conversation when clarity is the motive. NEXT!!!!! Prove your belief, or forfeit it via lack of evidence. Your actions will determine the outcome.
@guitarbyous your the one who needs to prove your belief. your the one making the claim that god exists so your the one who needs the proof. i don't believe in god because of a lack of evidence. if i say i'm a millionaire, and you can't disprove it, does that make me rich? and don't use prophecy as your proof i just showed u one prophecy that was wrong which shows that an all knowing being couldn't have made it. if one prophecy is wrong then that shows that the rest could have been good
Name one scripture that you THOUGHT you proved wrong that i didnt correct? And when did i change the subject? You are very desperate for leverage in this debate!! Its funny at this point!
And when did i say i dont believe in God because science cant disprove him? You conjured that up.The bible has proven itself. And its not based on MAYBES,COULD BES, and BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER THAN GOD BEING RESPONSIBLE!
Thats the logic of scientist!! But if you actually knew about science you would know thats their approach. So dont try and falsley attach that reasoning as mine.
Science is based on facts. We never make assumptions, we say things we know are true. Religion is based on ancient desert scribbles in stone tablets that have no place in modern society.
Disproving the Judeo-Christian God is UNBELIEVABLY easy. It's a walk in the park. The hard part is getting closed minded fools like you to accept it.
LMAO!!! That all sounds good in theory when your "belief" is based around your own model/method of determining truth. Just as animal rights activist will use the fact that animals have emotions also to tell the world that animals lives are just as important than humans.
But you sit were and claim to have truth and facts yet you cant grasp a concept so simple as this. Then you still think this society is "modern" LMAO!!!!
I'm humble enough to say that I don't know how the universe came to be. And if you were honest, you would say "I don't know" as well. Instead, you are taking a 1 in over 10,000 shot in the dark that your particular religion may be true.
Were you paying ANY attention to this entire documentary? Do you really cling to your beliefs that spit in the face of common sense?
My understanding of the scriptures are ions deeper than the clergymen or the guy in this video has interpreted. And besides, his OPINIONS are motivated by the logic of men! Even though we have fallin on our(men) asses trillions of times trying to apply or logic to life when life isnt subject to our inferior logic. THERE IS MORE COMMON SENSE THAN THIS VIDEO HAS MADE IN 40 MINS.
When man exceeds all knowledge, and has all of the answers, HE IS NOTHING BUT A MAN NO MORE NO LESS!!! Tell me who cant build a graph on a subject a not control that subject using that graph? If you asked me to prove men were guilty of murders based off of his oppositions testimonies, who would ever be innocent?
Improper grammar? "that is"? that's..... If we are going to elude statements by correcting grammar on a youtube comment board lets also start with not being a hypocrite by focusing on something irrelevant with irrelevance such as grammar.(grammar)
ROTFL!!! More insults NO substance! Did you reply to me to have an insult contest, or did you have some kind of enlightenment? You have yet to uphold all of this so called common sense you posses. But you didnt seem to shy away from insults. So im assuming you have no knowledge and are substituting your ignorance with insults.
You're the one who started the insults, good sir. So perhaps you should direct the argument of replacing insults with knowledge at yourself. But this I must know, why do you insist in believing in a magical being in the sky whom you've never met before?
Magical being? Man why are you people in todays society so damn stupid until you are'nt competent enough to not get your views from T.V?
What about the magical being that brought about the big bang theory? Why isnt that magical? Or the magical being that created all life? Or what about the magical being that separated the ocean from the lands? What about the magical being that enabled such a fragile species such as humans to survive in a violent world?
What about the magical being thats responsible for physics? Man stop being "closed minded" to what your beloved science cant answer and use your head.
Well, I was born and raised Catholic. I gave it a chance. But my critical thinking took over. I just sat down and thought critically about my religion. It just doesn't make sense.
Well have you ever thought that it wasnt your religion but the catholic church? Science has more divisions and theories than all religions put together. You targeted your logic towards the wrong thing.
@guitarbyous I completely agree a god could very well exist. I just don't know for sure if there is. And now that you mention it, it pretty much was the catholic church.
I study science and their theories and have found it to be nothing more than a religion. And just like churches, they have different divisions. And they use their resources (media etc) to discredit "God" in such a way to where it is unbelieveable to society. Such as portraying it on movies as magic,sorcery,etc.(you know... everything that doesnt happen in real life) Its all tactics that politics use to degrade one canidate to aggrandize their campaign.
Religion is untestable hypothesis, while science is backed by countless of supporting evidence and studies. Science advances our life, relgion insults our logic!!
we dont 'belive' in science, you need to learn what PEER-REVIEWED research is & what scientfic process and reasoning is based on!
Type on YT search engine "Evolution vs.Creationism: Experts vs.Scientists-Peer Review"
Yea? You know science is backed and "proven" by science right? Thats like me saying The Lord is real because the Bible says so. Now you not being a believer, would that be any valid to you?
And can science "test" the big bang theory? How is science so credible when most of it is based off of theory? and please dont give me those "scientific theory is different" semantics.
@guitarbyous What is this I don't even... Science is backed by experiments and predictions. Like have you ever even retained a tiny fraction of what you learned in science class. By your logic, all science is invalid and should be discarded. Sounds like a great world to live in..
Its funny that you deem obvious truths,common sense and reality to being science in steady of just nature, but evolution doesnt have to be backed by "experiments" being that you cant experiment it, yet regardless to that fact its considered truth? ROTFL at your logic. You only have predictions to support evolution and we both know how valid a mere prediction is.
@Owneador1337 [continuing] A hypothesis is not a valid solution for a problem. A theory, however, is. What a theory says is that, although we can't reproduce the circumstances that made the problem's solution a mystery, we have enough proof to find the solution. Like I've said already: Theories, like evolution, are facts.
@Owneador1337 [continuing] For example, if you find a man dead and the only abnormality in him is that there is food in his trachea, he was alone at home, with the door and windows firmly shut, and there is food in the plate in front of him, that would mean that he has choked to death. You cannot reproduce the circumstances that have killed him (you can't revive him and make him choke again), but you can be fairly sure in that he wasn't killed by someone else.
@Owneador1337 [continuing - last part] Science would never say it is 100% sure in that the man has commited suicide or has choked accidentally, and WILL balance both situations as a possible hypothesis; just as it do in "evolution by mutation" or "evolution by natural selection". And of course, it understands that it could be a mixture of both.
Science NEVER treats something that hasn't been proven as a fact. Hell, it doesn't even deny the existance of God. Science is NOT biased in any way.
@Owneador1337 Oh and by the way, don't get me wrong: I'm a fully convinced atheist, but I don't approve abortion (except when the embryo presents deformities or there is a risk for the mother's health).
A.K.A Theories! And nothing more. Ulthough your explaination and outlook is more reasonable, your fellow atheist see evolution as definite fact rather than opinion regardless to the inability to provide indisputable evidence. By the way, the example you presented could also be from a massive heart attack (in which my grandmother passed while eating) and many other reasons that could be misleading
And force one to assume your conclusion. In schools around the country children are being taught evolution with "theory" written in fine print. But design isnt taught, and cant be taught at all, which suggest a bias and favoritism in the science community. You are apart of the minority.
@guitarbyous First of all, I am not imposing my personal beliefs on you, I'm just clarifying a common misunderstanding about evolution. You're free to believe whatever you want. Who am I to tell you how you should think like?
But yes, evolution is treated as a fact. Of course. But don't get me or any other evolutionists wrong: If evolution is proven wrong by consistent proof, I'd be the first one to accept it. Science is a matter of believing in what you see, and what has been prooven.
@Owneador1337 [Cont] As our current proof for evolution, we have the continual similarity between the genes of all known species or the slight change between the species found in different layers of sediment in the ground. There are also many studies that show that there is no "thick line" between humans and animals, as we can find animals that share speech capability, reasoning, self awareness and social behaviour. We are just great at all those things, but it's not something only WE have.
@Owneador1337 [Cont]Finally, please understand that evolution in no way denies the existance of a creator, or at least someone who initially "started rolling the snowball". I am an atheist, but my brother is a gnostic Catholic and he does believe in evolution as well.
Think about this example: Sperm is created from chemical reactions in the testicles, and they are living beings, too. Couldn't a similar reaction create the first cells on Earth, which gradually became more complex with time?
Ask yourself this one simple question, doesnt the initial reaction have to come from a designer? Because if not, wouldnt we have witnessed nature and or "chance" create life itself by now?
Sperm or cells was NEVER created by chance or without other actions DESIGNED to bring those actions (sperm) about. So evoulution STILL have yet to bring about indisputable evidence that would validate teaching it in school as truth, and design as fiction,religion, or "blind faith"
With this understanding im sure you are aware of the definition of a species right? (although evolutionist have trouble giving any solid or sure definition, but many answers to 1 single question) We all know that throughout time living things grow,and mature. But i have yet to see ANYTHING become another species. Why arent there dog-snakes? Or cat-chickens? What about Fish-roaches?
The THEORY or evolution convolutes the definition of maturing with complete change or some sort of metamorphisis. The bible simply says that we were all creating by the same being, so its not unbelievable to have gene similarities with other living things, BUT the ability to inter-breed is where the line is drawn.
We do observe life being created by itself. Of course we don't see dogs popping up in the street, but it's possible for certain proteins to mix with certain chemicals by accident and they WILL create life. Sure, it will just be some basic structures with no real function apart from feeding and reproduction, but it's life after all. The same way my body actively creates sperm, similar chemicals could randomly mix in another context, moment and place and create living cells by their own.
How could these similar chemicals "randomly" mix without the necessary actions taking place? How can two non-living objects create living objects such as evolution suggests? Those sperm cells MUST originate from a living organism!! Thats a common fact. You cant argue that.
@guitarbyous Common fact? Dude, you CAN make a living thing with chemical reactions. That's being done RIGHT NOW in laboratories all over the World. Wether it's the hand of men, or an earthquake, or the sea's movements, or the wind that mix the chemicals, life CAN be created. It is not a common fact that all living organisms can originate from others. And once you accept this (true) statement, you don't need to imagine a creator to imagine new life.
Please give me an example of "living things" being CREATED. (i cant wait to hear this one) Now understand the definition of "create" before you spew out live forms being manipulated.
@guitarbyous [Cont] I am fully aware of the definition of species. And sorry to say: Your reasoning about "fish-roaches" and "cat-chickens" is extremely flawed. There are no cat-chickens because cats don't turn into chickens. There WAS a common ancestor for cats and chickens (they both came from the same animal, once); but that was hundreds of millions of years ago. Humans don't turn into chimps, but 10 million years ago, we were the same animal, which "branched" into different primates.
If you are aware that cats dont turn into chickens, How can you conclude that they came from the same animal? Thats a contradiction. Thats like you saying that you have the same father as another man, but you dont share the same lineage. How can you rationalize that?
@guitarbyous I dont' transform into my brother. My brother didn't come from me. We both came from my father. We have common ancestry. Evolution never says cats can mate with birds. What a dumb thing to say.
THATS THE POINT!! How can you say they have common ancestry if they are not the same species? My analogy didnt match up to the ignorance of your cat to birds logic. Its as simple as this, when you can prove (with legit reasons) that a Rhino originally came from a fish or a tree then we can talk. Other than that, your debate is no more realistic and logical than the mutants on X-Men.
@guitarbyous The theory (scientifically prooven fact, although it's not replicable) of evolution has nothing to do with metamorphosis, which is the changing of an individual within its species as it matures (I wonder if it's you who doesn't have an accurate idea of what a species is, actually). The theory of evolution doesn't say we all popped up one day, that's creationism. Evolution sustains that extremely simple life forms can be created "per se", and get more complex after millions of years.
@Owneador1337 Finally, the last thing I can say is that if we were actually created by God, then got is a rather mediocre designer. I am a software developer, I design software programs for other people to code and build. If I made a program as flawed as a human being I'd be fired.
Why do we have a blind spot in the eye? Our retina's is poorly positioned - but other animals, like the octopus, have it properly position and have no blindspot.
@Owneador1337 [Cont - last] ... But it doesn't end there! See a few more of his mistakes:
- Women don't get pregnant in a single intercourse: The chances are usually around 10% only per "session".
- Why do we have an appendix? It does no function and its infection can kill you. We probably inherited it from an ancestor who did use it.
- We choke if we breathe while eating. Many of us die like that every year. Why? Dolphins DO have different holes for each thing. Was that too much to ask for?
@Owneador1337 If I make a program for bank transactions that has a security hole (blind spot), or that only does the transaction properly 10% of the times (intercourse), or that has useless parts occupying memory space in the computer that CAN make the computer crash (appendix), or that can get blocked and crash itself because I don't manage the correct sending of data in different channels (choking); I'd get fired; rightly so!
Thankfully for my clients, I'm a much better designer than God.
This last post is silly beyond belief!! This logic is based off of YOUR perception of how life is should be (as if you created it). And a lie about the appendix.
If you make a program for bank transactions, is it subject to YOUR programing, or whatever it wants to do? And when that program crashes, do you subject it back to do what YOU programed it to do, or do you subject yourself to a crashed computer?
When both arguements are measured, it comes down to atheists thinking their logic and perception is the end all be all. But when evaluated it is evident to be some of the most illogical, idiotic, line or thinking possible. No offense. And not only that but very contradictory and hypocritcal.
False!!! the appendix helps store bacteria AND fight diseases and harmful bacteria more effectively. Before you spew out knowledge,please update your facts. And it seems that i am more fluid in your belief than you are.
LMAO!!! Who said God created man to appease or make man "perfect"? Just the simple blueprint of what it takes to create man is far more extraordinary than any man can think of creating. If life and God were subject to men and their foolishness, we would either be dead, or homosexuals.
Stay focused here, my post suggested that evolution perverts natural human changes such as maturity and growth and try and justify it with the fact that we ALL have gene similarities and that "genes gradually change". Im glad you asked a
Ya know, it sounds like a pretty fucking stupid story men has imposed upon us for too long about the make believe man Jesus. They must have been losing power and needed a boost back in the Roman Canon Law days to gain power over the people, so they created a fake character named Jesus. When you dig for the truth, you get it and sometimes it's not very pleasant because the truth hurts when you are going with the false ideas of the world.
spiritprofessor 11 months ago
all u christians out there, go check out the video 2.0 deconversion by evid3nc3.
its a nice documentary style of how an uber christian dude becomes an athiest. gives nice points for reason to doubt the christian religion. theres lots of good evidence in there.
zspreening 1 year ago
how sickening that that man would do that
904whitechaple 1 year ago
I love how everytime Dawkins says something smart in this documentary, music plays to replace the "ZING!". It happened saying he does care about the answer when talking to the Christian school earlier with a harmonica, and after saying that good people religion thing some techno music plays.
sebc2s 1 year ago
@andrben A loving creator that adhere's to the will and want of man? Then who would be the "God" then? Man had nothing to do with the beginning, so why or how does his logic always suggest what God should do or how life should be? And if he doesnt work within those limits and bounderies its means for discrediting him? If man can determine those things then surely he should have the answers to a billion other questions.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
Epicurus: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God."
0Justice911 1 year ago
Let me ask you this, people against stem cell research and abortion. What would you do if a house was on fire and there was a little girl stuck in one cage and embryos in test tubes in another. Which would you pick to save? You can only pick one. There are 5000 embryos in the test tube, but only one child... one LIVING child, that feels pain. One child that will cry and scream while she burns. Now you are feeling like some people feel when you tell them they are going to hell.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion".
Very profound statement.
ruapria 1 year ago 17
@ruapria oh yes.
BrutusCass 1 year ago
i wonder if smurfs is a legitimate excuse to kill someone?
CitizenICREDIBLE 1 year ago
we dont value after the knowledge of sorroundings is basically what he said..... Bullshit... We kill animals everyday, sometimes for fun(bullfighting) and we dont give a shit(some ofcourse hate bullfighting, as do it) because we dont belive that animals in anyway suffer by dying.
WallieTF 1 year ago
I'm 15 years old, i was raised a Christian, but i still think it's all barking mad.
SLAPnPOP726 1 year ago 2
@SLAPnPOP726 I'm 15 too. I'm and Atheist and proud of it.
UgIzZz 1 year ago 15
Prophecies cannot be used as a valid argument. If I say a a man will be born who will liberate a great city, chances are this event will occur within a few thousand years. This applies to the bible as well. "Prophecies" will almost inevitably come true at some point in time within a 7 thousand year span. Please provide your best argument for religion.
Smashkirby 1 year ago
Guitarbyous I'm an alt of dude131138. Saying the bible proves itself is known as "circular logic", one of the worst mistakes a debater can make. Also scientist do not use "maybe's" in their conclusions. If this were true we would not have the great technologies we have today. This probably stems from a misconception of the word "theory". A SCIENTIFIC theory differs from the layman theory because it is a conclusion based on Observation, Inferences, and SCIENTIFIC LAW. The bible is a hypothesis.
Smashkirby 1 year ago
Pol Pot athiest, Took every citizen who lived in a city and forced them into the fields which later became known as the killing fields, some mass graves contain up to 30 thousand skulls. He said that in cambodia it was year zero. He was backed by the USA goverment. The Khmer rouge were a band of power hungry psychos who ran around killing, raping, and doing whatever they want. Pol Pot makes anything and everything that is not loyal to the state as a crime including having a famiy.
Mider999 1 year ago
Somebody in here told me that God predicted that king harod would kill the children of isreal wow your brilliant man. Why not blame the weather man for the hurricanes and tornadoes that destroy people and property. God tells us prophecies so we can know the future If i told you that tommorow if you walked outside and would die and you didnt listen who's fault is that? Of course its the same principle with your unbelief you think God doesnt exist but like it says in the Bible
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 CONT. That in the days of Noah they ate and drank and married and gave in marriage till the flood came and only eight people in the entire world servived. You talk about science like its all proven and stuff its just theorys which you claim all religion is a theory. Oh look im an athiest but i diserve respect and human dignity because i believe we came from a monkey or from some promirdial sludge. But its totally ok to kill would be children in abortion cause they cant think
Mider999 1 year ago
Unreligious man whores and female whores have oodles of kids who they cant even support or just choose not to support, These kids grow up with out proper support from an adult figure the absance of a father figure is devestating to a child. But as i said these are athiest not Christian actions because a Christian cannot do these things with out commiting sin nad having to repent. Only then would God re welcome then into the fold they also would have to forgive others
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 u do realize that science has never ordered for wars(crusades) or witch hunts or other nonsence. christians and non christians get divorced at the same rate, and atheists actually donate to charity more than christians. if hitler wasn't a catholic then why didn't he persecute them? he persecutes mostly jews. christianity doesn't stop people from doing bad things. do u think that every crome in the world has been done by atheists? also the bible tells u to kill people that believe
dude131138 1 year ago
@Mider999 let's look at your first commandment:"Thou shalt have no other Gods before me". guess what we have to do with people that break this commandment. we must kill them. Duet 17:2-7, Take the man or woman that has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death." now what if an entire community believes in another god? we kill them all too. Duet 13:13-19 "... you must attack the townand completely destroy all it's in habitants...".
dude131138 1 year ago
@Mider999 also science has saved millions of people it's not only a bad thing. if you look at all the people that were killed using advances in science it is nothing compared to your god. your god destroyed almost everything on the earth in the flood.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 Religion has also converted criminals into law abiding citizens even serial killers...............................yeah thanks for pointing out the fact that religion works maybe not for you cause you deny a God you cant even disprove how did we prove God? We have proof of God because people who are so vile and have done such horrible things can actually be changed by Gods love. Can science say the same? Maybe it can with pills and stuff that is short term
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 just because people believe and start following the moral codes set by the bible doesn't mean that god changed them. you do realize that most prisoners are from some branch of christianity? and there are very few atheists in prison. about 1% of the people in prison are atheist. so your whole idea that all christian live moral lives and all atheists are whores and criminals your wrong.
dude131138 1 year ago
@Mider999 CONT. both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them." now we have to kill all homosexuals. Deut 21:18-21 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid." now we have to kill rebelious teenagers.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 Thanks for qouting stuff that happend 2000 years ago. It just seems to me that God has rules and he expects them to be followed, people like you dont wanna follow them and thus your punished, Today we dont run around killing homosexuals Christ didnt want Christians to be some cleansing army if they were then they wouldnt have been tied up and burned alive in rome. Your ignorenent of common sense
Mider999 1 year ago
@dude131138 These things happend 2000 years ago when the jews had been indoctronated in the egyptain and other pegan ways. God set them aside and these laws were made as the standard by which people live.
Mider999 1 year ago
@dude131138 if your god is so loving then explain why god would god want you to kill people that aren't the same religion as you? the quote is on the second or third page.Exodus 35:2"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." think about all the people who work on the sabbath. god wants you to kill them.Leviticus 20:13: If a man lies with a male as with a woman,
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 He killed them back then because they sacrificed there own kids and because they were in his country were he made his rules clear. there was pegan countries sorrounding Isreal and he left them alone but when they did invade God punished them. When in hte New Testament did Jesus ever have anyone executed? Show me please
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 "The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever." [Isaiah 40 verse 8]. the same thing is said in 1 peter 1 24-25. and in Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect." if god is perfect and his law is perfect then we should do theses things today right? the bible tells us to. do u follow these rules? of course you don't. no one does because they understand that these parts of the bible are nonsense. it doesn't say that these rules are only for
dude131138 1 year ago
@Mider999 pagans. if god is all knowing and perfect then do people ignore the old testament? he couldn't have been wrong and he couldn't have changed his mind he's all knowing and perfect.
dude131138 1 year ago
@Mider999 if you don't believe the old testement then you must not believe the creation story or the flood.
dude131138 1 year ago
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dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 Mao continued. Mao was not religious he instead fed off the youth of China using heavy duty propeganda, Chairman Mao was responsible for the cultural revolution which like Pol Pot saw to the assault and death of many people just because they were more intelligent then most others.
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 being a an atheist doesn't make you a horrible person. all atheists don't go around killing people. hitler was a christian and he often said it in his speeches. he used his interpretation of christianity as a reason for antisemitism. think about swine flu. didn't science make a vaccine for that? think about small pox. science found a vaccine for that too. without science diseases would run rampant. if science didn't discover bacteria and stuff we wouldn't have good hygiene
dude131138 1 year ago
@Mider999 because there would be no reason for it. since i'm just going to say something then you'll deny it and then i'll say something and then you'll deny it why don't we just end this conversation and save both of us some time?
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 What have i denied? Your not denying that athiests have caused masive evil. Thus atheism is just as dangerous as any of the religions you HATE. Why? Because some people see that since there is no God or the solid subjects of good nad evil they can do whatever they want. I mean seriously you think that you can make good and evil as you go along cant you? Yet thousands of years ago people killed each other over food and clothing. If you lived back then you would too i bet.
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 CONTINUED from above. And lets face it it wasnt even that many thousands of years ago but centuries and even decades that all these great progressive athiest pigs were putting down black people for being black. You must have never read in the bible were one of the apostles preached to an ethiopian and Christ preached to samaritans. Thus He was not racist. Your type athiests do it cause they believe they are GENETICALLY supirior
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 atheism doesn't cause evil. does atheim ever call for wars, witch hunts etc. yes there were evil atheists and there were evil theists. atheists have morals but since you will never accept that we should just end this argument now.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 You dont accept that Christians have morals GOOD ONES when people actually use there heads and read the Bible properly. Your morals are made up as you go along like i said.
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 we don't need a god to have morals. there are christians in jail and all atheists aren't in jail. about 1% of the people in jail are atheist. if people would come up with a set of morals then they would come up with things like don't kill and don't steal because no one wants that in society only crazy people. we don't need a god to tell us what to do.
dude131138 1 year ago
@Mider999 unless u have good proof that god exists then stop talking to me.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 Even this loser says that oh i dont believe in my morality enough that id act on it. Thats you too. YOU PROVE TO ME God doesnt exist. You want proof? Look at a new born baby and tell me that That Baby is just a descendent of primordial muck. look at the universe and say that there is no intelligent design. Look at nature and see that there is no God you only see what you wanan see man
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 y would i need to prove it to u? i don't believe in god because there is no proof of him. if u claim that there is a god u need to back it up right? i can claim to be a millionare and if i say u can't prove that i'm not a millionare, does that make me rich? u really have to go back and find out what evolution really is based on your comment u have no understanding of it and don't go to some christian website. a baby being born is explained by science. the universe is explained too
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 Well i do. You also think your beliefs are correct....dont you? so prove it.
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 let's say that i believe in leprechauns and u don't. would u need proof because you say they aren't real because there isn't proof for them? or would i need proof because i'm the one saying that they're real? now give me some proof for god or stop talking to me.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 Well since i believe in the Bible i have to believe in ghosts and tings like that and spirits and thus leprechauns, fairys, all that crap are just damn supernatural beings. There are people who are scientists who study this stuff you know? Im sure they are smarter then you or me. There are plenty of people who are athiest or were and they had a run in with demonic forces. How did Daniel predict things like the fall of Babylon and the rise of Persia then all the way to Rome?
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 Your type loves to say oh it was written after it happend but the persians i believe were astounded at the fact that years before the persians came the prophets had predicted there overtaking of babylon
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 many of the bibles prophecies are vague. there are also prophecies that haven't happened like these: Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13). Ezekiel said Egypt would be made an uninhabited wasteland for forty years (29:10-14), and Nebuchadrezzar would plunder it (29:19-20). Neither happened.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 These prophecies about the persians were not vague to the persians. And the Bible also says that egypt would no longer be a world power as it was in ancient times......guess what ITS NOT anymore.
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 that could easily be explained. before the bible was written there were many empires that were very powerful and they all eventually collapsed. anyone that understands history can come to the conclusion that empires have a time of prosperity but then they weaken and fall. also if some prophecies are false, then that means that whoever made them wasn't all knowing. if there are false ones then we can't believe the rest. anyone can be right some of the time but for the bible to be
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
GREAT!! The scriptures said GREAT!! Which means that it will be on a large scale!! So stop trying to slight the irrefutable evidence because you only look more and more ignorant!!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous it's still ambiguous but since u can't see that i'll show u somehting else. there are also prophecies that haven't happened like these: Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13). Ezekiel said Egypt would be made an uninhabited wasteland for forty years (29:10-14), and Nebuchadrezzar would plunder it (29:19-20). Neither happened.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138 This is a testament of you selectively picking scriptures to force a contradiction. Now heres another rebuttal to your ignorance
2Ch 8:7 ¶ [As for] all the people [that were] left of the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which [were] not of Israel, 2Ch 8:8 [But] of their children, who were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel consumed not, them did Solomon make to pay tribute until this day.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
THEY DID FORCE THEM OUT!!! Why didnt you search google for that scripture? LMAO!!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
And heres another case of you not understanding the scriptures!
Eze 29:21 ¶ In that day will I cause the horn of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth in the midst of them; and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.
IN THAT DAY!!! Its reffering to a later time and place!! The name Egypt ment HOUSE OF BONDAGE!! And Nebuchadrezzar was the king of Babylon which was destroyed in Babylon! Isa14:4-32
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
Nebuchadrezzar was destruction was in Isaiah, so in that day was reffering to at a later time. So he was destroyed
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous now how could an all knowing god make false prophecies? there now stop talking to me since u can't prove your god.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
And why could'nt you show no "scientific proof" that those prophecies are "ambiguous" other than your vain opinion and denial that they are truth.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous your clearly being an idiot. i'm done talking to you. they were not forced out and god didn't make egypt a wasteland.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
Are you stupid? Where is that in the scriptures that Egypt wasnt a wasteland?
Now what happened to your "evidence, disproof etc? The scriptures said that they were destroyed .
SO SINCE YOU HAVE NO REPROVE
AND CAN NO LONGER CONJURE UP LIES ILL TAKE IT THAT THIS IS YOUR SUBMISSION BEING THAT YOUR RESPONSES HAVE TRINKLED DOWN TO: "YES IT IS! AN NO ITS NOT"! Without any explainationas to why it is or aint. THATS ANOTHER DEMON IN THE TRASH! LMAO!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous i was just saying that your prophecies did not deny the failed ones i showed u. your first set of quotes mention the children as staying in the land and it didn't mention the canaanites. your second set of quotes did not show that egypt was a wasteland for 40 years or that Nebuchadrezzar. i looked at the quote u didn't put up. now here are some more quotes.
dude131138 1 year ago
@guitarbyous (Ezek 26:1 ) "In the eleventh year, on the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came to me:" (Ezek 26:7 ) "For thus says the Lord GOD: I will bring against Tyre from the north King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon, king of kings, together with horses, chariots, cavalry, and a great and powerful army."(Ezek 26:14) "I will make you a bare rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets. You shall never again be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, says the Lord GOD."
dude131138 1 year ago
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@dude131138
This is your statement:
"Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13)".
This is my answer:
2Ch 8:7-8! Which showed those nations did get destroyed!! But you mentioned Josh 15:63 when it didnt say "Canaanites" in it,but it was good enough for you to try and use it to discredit scripture? CONTRADICTION!!!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous (Ezek 27:32) "In their wailing they raise a lamentation for you, and lament over you: "Who was ever destroyed like Tyre in the midst of the sea?"13 YEARS OF FUTILE EFFORT BY NEBUCHADREZZAR LATER. (Ezek 29:17) In the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came to me: HERE HE ADMITS THAT HE IS WRONG.
dude131138 1 year ago
@guitarbyous (Ezek 29:18) Mortal, King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon made his army labor hard against Tyre; every head was made bald and every shoulder was rubbed bare; yet neither he nor his army got anything from Tyre to pay for the labor that he had expended against it.
dude131138 1 year ago
@guitarbyous u can't explain this can u? he says something and even admits that he is wrong. i picked this because it is the simplest. now that your whole idea that prophecies prove the bible is shattered we can end this.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
How was he wrong when they did destroy them?
Tyrus=1) the Phoenician city on the Mediterranean coast
Phonecia was in EGYPT!!
Eze 29:20 I have given him the land of EGYPT [for] his labour wherewith he served against it, because they wrought for me, saith the Lord GOD.
You dont know the full of the scriptures which is why you keep coming to conclusions that doesnt coincide with the rest of the scriptures!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
Amo 1:9 ¶ Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of TYRUS, and for four, I will not turn away [the punishment] thereof; because they delivered up the whole captivity to Edom, and remembered not the brotherly covenant:
He never said he was wrong, neither did he say that Tyre would'nt be destroyed! Amo 1:10 But I will send a fire on the wall of Tyrus, which shall devour the palaces thereof.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138 And Eze 27:32 gives the prophetic description of Tyre after Alexander had used the ruins of mainland Tyre to build a causeway to the isle. WHICH IS A PROPHECY FULFILLMENT!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous josh 17:13"But when the Israelites grew strong, they put the Canaanites to forced labor, but did not utterly drive them out."josh 15:63 "But the people of Judah could not drive out the Jebusites, the inhabitants of Jerusalem; so the Jebusites live with the people of Judah in Jerusalem to this day."2 ch 8:8 "from their descendants who were still left in the land, whom the people of Israel had not destroyed—these Solomon conscripted for forced labor, as is still the case today."
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
I'll make this simple for you.
Jdg 2:2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? Jdg 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be [as thorns] in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
Josh 23:12 stated that they(the other nations) will not be "driven out" if they continued to dwell with these nations.
And in Judges 1: 28-36 showed how Israel chose not to drive them out which forced this.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
Joshua 23:12-13
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous Ezek26:7 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. Ezek 26:8 "He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee." so when they say he in the line right after he mentions Nebuchadrezzar he is actually
dude131138 1 year ago
@guitarbyous means alexander, the crusaders etc. wow i can't reason with that kind of stupidity
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
ROTFL!!! Aww you are upset because your comprehension have proven to be a fail.
For the last time remedial one.
Eze 26:4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock.
Alexander was responsible for this, But King Nebuchadrezzar was responble for this: Isa 23:1, The nations that helped Alexander was Eze 26:3
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
Eze 26:3 Said MANY NATIONS SHALL COME UP AGAINST THEE!! Not ONLY king Nebuchadrezzar! Comprehension is also key.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous the bibla says that nebuchadrezzar would destroy tyre.Ezek26:7 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. Ezek 26:8 "He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee." he actually failed. ezekiel
dude131138 1 year ago
@guitarbyous then realized he was wrong and wrote that god changed his mond and wanted to give nebuchadrezzar egypt instead. that prophecy i just showed u is incorrect. of course nations will rise against tyre it happens with every civilization. just look at the US, britian, germany, japan, etc. it happened throughout history
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
Well who destroyed Tyre in Isa 23:1? Egypt was also trembled because they knew that the most high had an issue with them also in Ezekiel 32. You have nothing to stand on here! You have been reproved!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous u still don't seem to realize that ezekiel said that nebuchadrezzar "He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee." and he was wrong. and was egypt a wasteland for 40 years where there was no life at all. that prophecy was wrong also.
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
And you don't seem to realize that Isa 23:1 said
Isa 23:1 ¶ The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them.
AND THAT HE WASNT WRONG ABOUT DESTROYING TYRE BECAUSE HE CLEARLY DID!!! He did biblically and historically! You cant dispute this!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
Israelites looked at Egypt as an escape from their calamities.
Which brought upon Jeremiah 42:15,16,19
In the Nebuchadnezzar Inscription in the British Museum it states that the Desolation began in 588 B.C
And ended in 548 B.C. (according to the 607 based chronology).
Now how about you stop saying"no it isnt and yes it is"!! And give some vindication for your silliness! Or else you have not legs to stand on.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous READ VERY CAREFULLY. EZEKIEL SAID NEBUCHADREZZAR WOULD DESTROY TYRE AND HE DID NOT. AFTER HE DIDN'T EZEKIEL ADMITTED IT AND SAID THAT THE LORD CHANGED HIS MIND. he was wrong so just admit it. i'm using the bible i'm not just making ridiculous claims. in the bible it never said nebuchadrezzar destroyed tyre. it said that he will and the bible was wrong. isaiah never mentions nebuchadrezzar!
dude131138 1 year ago
@guitarbyous "Nebuchadnezzar engaged in a thirteen year siege of Tyre (585-572 BC), which ended in a compromise, with the Tyrians accepting Babylonian authority." "Nebuchadrezzar then engaged in a 13-year siege of great Phoenician city of Tyre (585-572 B.C.E.), which ended, if not in outright victory, with the Tyrians accepting Babylonian authority. Following the pacification of Tyre....." he NEVER destroyed it!
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
OMG!! "read carefully" How simple can a grown man be?
So your logic says that since Isaiah never mentions Nebuchadrezzar then its not reffering to him? Then who destroyed it dude131138? Surely if you can come to the conclusion that Isaiah 23 isnt reffering to Nebuchadrezzar, then surely you must provide who Isaiah is reffering to (according to the bible).
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
In oreder to get the proper understanding of the bible you must know how to read it!
Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
So you cant read the bible straight through and have a clear understanding of whats going on! Anyway!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
Cont.
Ezekiel 26:7 explained who will destroy Tyre, so why do we need Isa 23 to say "Nebuchadrezzar" when the scripture said already who will be responsible?
Ex. When doing one of your scientific experiments using water(but the water is not a major part of the experiment), is it necessary state the formula of H2o all the way down to how it formed after the big bang theory when its already understood?
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
So the question is who destroyed it? And what scripture is it? Isaiah 23 is a prophecy like the many others in the bible! Why have'nt you addressed the fact that the outcome of Tyre is AS PROPHECIED!!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
The status of old Tyre is as Ezekiel prophecied TO THIS DAY!!! Which is why your only comeback is(a dead one i might add) "It was'nt destroyed". Without considering the prophecy that it willl be used for fishermans nets,the city will be like rocks, the walls will be torn off, and many nations will attack it. Which the bible AND history confirmed. Face it! You cant refute the truth.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous did nebuchadrezzar completely destroy tyre? no. did the bible say he would? yes there u go end of story. what u are referring to is part of the chapter. part of it is true but that part is wrong u can't explain that other than targeting the word "he" in the next line. u say that that applies to alexander, the crusaders, etc. why would it do that if it says nebuchadrezzar in the line right before?
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
"u say that that applies to alexander, the crusaders, etc. why would it do that if it says nebuchadrezzar in the line right before?"
WTF are you talking about? it says:
Eze 26:4 And THEY shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock.
This is where Alexander(and the nations that assisted him) came in and used the remains(left from NeBuchadrezzar) of the city.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
cont
To build a causeway but it didnt work. Yes the inhabitants of Tyre did flee to the isle but Isa 23:1-10 showed how they fleed to the Isle. Now to show how your desperate attempts to make your misundertandings fit, you pulled up something talking about the new Tyre. And the Isle of the old Tyre is a fishing Village.
The old city of Tyre(whom the Lord destroyed) is clearly nonexistent!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous "Tyre is an ancient Phoenician city and the legendary birthplace of Europa and Elissa (Dido). Today it is the fourth largest city in Lebanon[4] and houses one of the nation's major ports. Tourism is a major industry." yeah it was never rebuilt
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
Google Tyre ruins. They are still there and have not been habitated even in this day!
And the article will also show you who played part in destroying it. Now if you contest conclusive evidence then its futile to try and show you truth. I showed you ample evidence, broke down and interpreted scriptures for you (with all of the history and bible verses fitting perfect) and STILL you are contentous. So you can lose yourself at this point! YOU HAVE BEEN REPROVED!!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous i'm going to make it simple. just answer this one question. did nebuchadrezzar destroy tyre like the bible said?
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
Technically Ezekiel said THEY will destroy the walls of Tyre.Eze 26:4-5
Your mind is so stuck on Nebuchadrezzar, but refuse to see that the scriptures said that MANY nations will destroy the walls of Tyre. So yes he did go to Tyre and CAUSE destruction!!!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous For thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will bring upon Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, chariots, cavalry and a great army.
"He will slay your daughters on the mainland with the sword; and he will make siege walls against you, cast up a ramp against you and raise up a large shield against you.- ezekiel 26:7-8 did he do this?
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
Why do you keep asking the same question? I told you he fulfilled prophecy!! Please make your point already.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous so your saying that nebuchadrezzar did destroy tyre?
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
YES FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!! He and MANY others like the scriptrures said!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
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dude131138 1 year ago
@guitarbyous but he(nebuchadrezzar) never destroyed tyre
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
Vindication rules the nation!!! Opinions are subject to arbitrary beliefs, so they are not valid in a conversation when clarity is the motive. NEXT!!!!! Prove your belief, or forfeit it via lack of evidence. Your actions will determine the outcome.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous your the one who needs to prove your belief. your the one making the claim that god exists so your the one who needs the proof. i don't believe in god because of a lack of evidence. if i say i'm a millionaire, and you can't disprove it, does that make me rich? and don't use prophecy as your proof i just showed u one prophecy that was wrong which shows that an all knowing being couldn't have made it. if one prophecy is wrong then that shows that the rest could have been good
dude131138 1 year ago
@dude131138
Name one scripture that you THOUGHT you proved wrong that i didnt correct? And when did i change the subject? You are very desperate for leverage in this debate!! Its funny at this point!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
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guitarbyous 1 year ago
@dude131138
And when did i say i dont believe in God because science cant disprove him? You conjured that up.The bible has proven itself. And its not based on MAYBES,COULD BES, and BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER THAN GOD BEING RESPONSIBLE!
Thats the logic of scientist!! But if you actually knew about science you would know thats their approach. So dont try and falsley attach that reasoning as mine.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
Science is based on facts. We never make assumptions, we say things we know are true. Religion is based on ancient desert scribbles in stone tablets that have no place in modern society.
Disproving the Judeo-Christian God is UNBELIEVABLY easy. It's a walk in the park. The hard part is getting closed minded fools like you to accept it.
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
LMAO!!! That all sounds good in theory when your "belief" is based around your own model/method of determining truth. Just as animal rights activist will use the fact that animals have emotions also to tell the world that animals lives are just as important than humans.
But you sit were and claim to have truth and facts yet you cant grasp a concept so simple as this. Then you still think this society is "modern" LMAO!!!!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
Do you believe in God?
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
Do you believe something as complicated as a planet just materializes without design? Doesnt your science teach you better than that?
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
I'm humble enough to say that I don't know how the universe came to be. And if you were honest, you would say "I don't know" as well. Instead, you are taking a 1 in over 10,000 shot in the dark that your particular religion may be true.
Were you paying ANY attention to this entire documentary? Do you really cling to your beliefs that spit in the face of common sense?
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
My understanding of the scriptures are ions deeper than the clergymen or the guy in this video has interpreted. And besides, his OPINIONS are motivated by the logic of men! Even though we have fallin on our(men) asses trillions of times trying to apply or logic to life when life isnt subject to our inferior logic. THERE IS MORE COMMON SENSE THAN THIS VIDEO HAS MADE IN 40 MINS.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
When man exceeds all knowledge, and has all of the answers, HE IS NOTHING BUT A MAN NO MORE NO LESS!!! Tell me who cant build a graph on a subject a not control that subject using that graph? If you asked me to prove men were guilty of murders based off of his oppositions testimonies, who would ever be innocent?
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
An irrelevant argument with improper grammar that is impossible for an english speaker to understand is not a valid response.
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
Improper grammar? "that is"? that's..... If we are going to elude statements by correcting grammar on a youtube comment board lets also start with not being a hypocrite by focusing on something irrelevant with irrelevance such as grammar.(grammar)
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
Oh i see... you couldnt comprehend the analogy and that was your only way to defend yourself!! Awww my bad dude.... Did i hurt your feelings? LOL!!!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
I assure you I can comprehend many things. You are the definition of a pseudo-intellectual that's all.
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
ROTFL!!! More insults NO substance! Did you reply to me to have an insult contest, or did you have some kind of enlightenment? You have yet to uphold all of this so called common sense you posses. But you didnt seem to shy away from insults. So im assuming you have no knowledge and are substituting your ignorance with insults.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
You're the one who started the insults, good sir. So perhaps you should direct the argument of replacing insults with knowledge at yourself. But this I must know, why do you insist in believing in a magical being in the sky whom you've never met before?
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
I started the insults? fredjustsucks:"The hard part is getting closed minded fools like you to accept it".
Are you even aware that this was what you replied to a post i made over a month ago? Check your facts!
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
Magical being? Man why are you people in todays society so damn stupid until you are'nt competent enough to not get your views from T.V?
What about the magical being that brought about the big bang theory? Why isnt that magical? Or the magical being that created all life? Or what about the magical being that separated the ocean from the lands? What about the magical being that enabled such a fragile species such as humans to survive in a violent world?
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
What about the magical being thats responsible for physics? Man stop being "closed minded" to what your beloved science cant answer and use your head.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous
Well, I was born and raised Catholic. I gave it a chance. But my critical thinking took over. I just sat down and thought critically about my religion. It just doesn't make sense.
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
Well have you ever thought that it wasnt your religion but the catholic church? Science has more divisions and theories than all religions put together. You targeted your logic towards the wrong thing.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous I completely agree a god could very well exist. I just don't know for sure if there is. And now that you mention it, it pretty much was the catholic church.
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks
I study science and their theories and have found it to be nothing more than a religion. And just like churches, they have different divisions. And they use their resources (media etc) to discredit "God" in such a way to where it is unbelieveable to society. Such as portraying it on movies as magic,sorcery,etc.(you know... everything that doesnt happen in real life) Its all tactics that politics use to degrade one canidate to aggrandize their campaign.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous LOL then re-study it again!!
Religion is untestable hypothesis, while science is backed by countless of supporting evidence and studies. Science advances our life, relgion insults our logic!!
we dont 'belive' in science, you need to learn what PEER-REVIEWED research is & what scientfic process and reasoning is based on!
Type on YT search engine "Evolution vs.Creationism: Experts vs.Scientists-Peer Review"
0Justice911 1 year ago
@0Justice911
Yea? You know science is backed and "proven" by science right? Thats like me saying The Lord is real because the Bible says so. Now you not being a believer, would that be any valid to you?
And can science "test" the big bang theory? How is science so credible when most of it is based off of theory? and please dont give me those "scientific theory is different" semantics.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous What is this I don't even... Science is backed by experiments and predictions. Like have you ever even retained a tiny fraction of what you learned in science class. By your logic, all science is invalid and should be discarded. Sounds like a great world to live in..
rkeck91 1 year ago
@rkeck91
Its funny that you deem obvious truths,common sense and reality to being science in steady of just nature, but evolution doesnt have to be backed by "experiments" being that you cant experiment it, yet regardless to that fact its considered truth? ROTFL at your logic. You only have predictions to support evolution and we both know how valid a mere prediction is.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous To clarify: In science, a problem typically goes throught 4 instances:
- Unknown: Nothing is known about the problem, aside from it being there.
- Hypothesis: There is (or are) several explanations for the problem, but these are yet unprooven by using the scientific method.
- Theory: There is a solid explanation, obtained with OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE, though without direct experimentation (theories are facts).
- Law: An experiment has irrefutably proven that the theory was correct.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 [continuing] A hypothesis is not a valid solution for a problem. A theory, however, is. What a theory says is that, although we can't reproduce the circumstances that made the problem's solution a mystery, we have enough proof to find the solution. Like I've said already: Theories, like evolution, are facts.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 [continuing] For example, if you find a man dead and the only abnormality in him is that there is food in his trachea, he was alone at home, with the door and windows firmly shut, and there is food in the plate in front of him, that would mean that he has choked to death. You cannot reproduce the circumstances that have killed him (you can't revive him and make him choke again), but you can be fairly sure in that he wasn't killed by someone else.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 [continuing - last part] Science would never say it is 100% sure in that the man has commited suicide or has choked accidentally, and WILL balance both situations as a possible hypothesis; just as it do in "evolution by mutation" or "evolution by natural selection". And of course, it understands that it could be a mixture of both.
Science NEVER treats something that hasn't been proven as a fact. Hell, it doesn't even deny the existance of God. Science is NOT biased in any way.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 Oh and by the way, don't get me wrong: I'm a fully convinced atheist, but I don't approve abortion (except when the embryo presents deformities or there is a risk for the mother's health).
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
A.K.A Theories! And nothing more. Ulthough your explaination and outlook is more reasonable, your fellow atheist see evolution as definite fact rather than opinion regardless to the inability to provide indisputable evidence. By the way, the example you presented could also be from a massive heart attack (in which my grandmother passed while eating) and many other reasons that could be misleading
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
Cont
And force one to assume your conclusion. In schools around the country children are being taught evolution with "theory" written in fine print. But design isnt taught, and cant be taught at all, which suggest a bias and favoritism in the science community. You are apart of the minority.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous First of all, I am not imposing my personal beliefs on you, I'm just clarifying a common misunderstanding about evolution. You're free to believe whatever you want. Who am I to tell you how you should think like?
But yes, evolution is treated as a fact. Of course. But don't get me or any other evolutionists wrong: If evolution is proven wrong by consistent proof, I'd be the first one to accept it. Science is a matter of believing in what you see, and what has been prooven.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 [Cont] As our current proof for evolution, we have the continual similarity between the genes of all known species or the slight change between the species found in different layers of sediment in the ground. There are also many studies that show that there is no "thick line" between humans and animals, as we can find animals that share speech capability, reasoning, self awareness and social behaviour. We are just great at all those things, but it's not something only WE have.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 [Cont]Finally, please understand that evolution in no way denies the existance of a creator, or at least someone who initially "started rolling the snowball". I am an atheist, but my brother is a gnostic Catholic and he does believe in evolution as well.
Think about this example: Sperm is created from chemical reactions in the testicles, and they are living beings, too. Couldn't a similar reaction create the first cells on Earth, which gradually became more complex with time?
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
Ask yourself this one simple question, doesnt the initial reaction have to come from a designer? Because if not, wouldnt we have witnessed nature and or "chance" create life itself by now?
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
cont
Sperm or cells was NEVER created by chance or without other actions DESIGNED to bring those actions (sperm) about. So evoulution STILL have yet to bring about indisputable evidence that would validate teaching it in school as truth, and design as fiction,religion, or "blind faith"
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
With this understanding im sure you are aware of the definition of a species right? (although evolutionist have trouble giving any solid or sure definition, but many answers to 1 single question) We all know that throughout time living things grow,and mature. But i have yet to see ANYTHING become another species. Why arent there dog-snakes? Or cat-chickens? What about Fish-roaches?
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
Cont
The THEORY or evolution convolutes the definition of maturing with complete change or some sort of metamorphisis. The bible simply says that we were all creating by the same being, so its not unbelievable to have gene similarities with other living things, BUT the ability to inter-breed is where the line is drawn.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
There are many things that look similar or share the same properties, but are in no way the same KIND of thing.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
We do observe life being created by itself. Of course we don't see dogs popping up in the street, but it's possible for certain proteins to mix with certain chemicals by accident and they WILL create life. Sure, it will just be some basic structures with no real function apart from feeding and reproduction, but it's life after all. The same way my body actively creates sperm, similar chemicals could randomly mix in another context, moment and place and create living cells by their own.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
How could these similar chemicals "randomly" mix without the necessary actions taking place? How can two non-living objects create living objects such as evolution suggests? Those sperm cells MUST originate from a living organism!! Thats a common fact. You cant argue that.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous Common fact? Dude, you CAN make a living thing with chemical reactions. That's being done RIGHT NOW in laboratories all over the World. Wether it's the hand of men, or an earthquake, or the sea's movements, or the wind that mix the chemicals, life CAN be created. It is not a common fact that all living organisms can originate from others. And once you accept this (true) statement, you don't need to imagine a creator to imagine new life.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
Please give me an example of "living things" being CREATED. (i cant wait to hear this one) Now understand the definition of "create" before you spew out live forms being manipulated.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous [Cont] I am fully aware of the definition of species. And sorry to say: Your reasoning about "fish-roaches" and "cat-chickens" is extremely flawed. There are no cat-chickens because cats don't turn into chickens. There WAS a common ancestor for cats and chickens (they both came from the same animal, once); but that was hundreds of millions of years ago. Humans don't turn into chimps, but 10 million years ago, we were the same animal, which "branched" into different primates.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
If you are aware that cats dont turn into chickens, How can you conclude that they came from the same animal? Thats a contradiction. Thats like you saying that you have the same father as another man, but you dont share the same lineage. How can you rationalize that?
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous I dont' transform into my brother. My brother didn't come from me. We both came from my father. We have common ancestry. Evolution never says cats can mate with birds. What a dumb thing to say.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
THATS THE POINT!! How can you say they have common ancestry if they are not the same species? My analogy didnt match up to the ignorance of your cat to birds logic. Its as simple as this, when you can prove (with legit reasons) that a Rhino originally came from a fish or a tree then we can talk. Other than that, your debate is no more realistic and logical than the mutants on X-Men.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@guitarbyous The theory (scientifically prooven fact, although it's not replicable) of evolution has nothing to do with metamorphosis, which is the changing of an individual within its species as it matures (I wonder if it's you who doesn't have an accurate idea of what a species is, actually). The theory of evolution doesn't say we all popped up one day, that's creationism. Evolution sustains that extremely simple life forms can be created "per se", and get more complex after millions of years.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 Finally, the last thing I can say is that if we were actually created by God, then got is a rather mediocre designer. I am a software developer, I design software programs for other people to code and build. If I made a program as flawed as a human being I'd be fired.
Why do we have a blind spot in the eye? Our retina's is poorly positioned - but other animals, like the octopus, have it properly position and have no blindspot.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 [Cont - last] ... But it doesn't end there! See a few more of his mistakes:
- Women don't get pregnant in a single intercourse: The chances are usually around 10% only per "session".
- Why do we have an appendix? It does no function and its infection can kill you. We probably inherited it from an ancestor who did use it.
- We choke if we breathe while eating. Many of us die like that every year. Why? Dolphins DO have different holes for each thing. Was that too much to ask for?
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337 If I make a program for bank transactions that has a security hole (blind spot), or that only does the transaction properly 10% of the times (intercourse), or that has useless parts occupying memory space in the computer that CAN make the computer crash (appendix), or that can get blocked and crash itself because I don't manage the correct sending of data in different channels (choking); I'd get fired; rightly so!
Thankfully for my clients, I'm a much better designer than God.
Owneador1337 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
This last post is silly beyond belief!! This logic is based off of YOUR perception of how life is should be (as if you created it). And a lie about the appendix.
If you make a program for bank transactions, is it subject to YOUR programing, or whatever it wants to do? And when that program crashes, do you subject it back to do what YOU programed it to do, or do you subject yourself to a crashed computer?
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
When both arguements are measured, it comes down to atheists thinking their logic and perception is the end all be all. But when evaluated it is evident to be some of the most illogical, idiotic, line or thinking possible. No offense. And not only that but very contradictory and hypocritcal.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
False!!! the appendix helps store bacteria AND fight diseases and harmful bacteria more effectively. Before you spew out knowledge,please update your facts. And it seems that i am more fluid in your belief than you are.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
LMAO!!! Who said God created man to appease or make man "perfect"? Just the simple blueprint of what it takes to create man is far more extraordinary than any man can think of creating. If life and God were subject to men and their foolishness, we would either be dead, or homosexuals.
guitarbyous 1 year ago
@Owneador1337
Stay focused here, my post suggested that evolution perverts natural human changes such as maturity and growth and try and justify it with the fact that we ALL have gene similarities and that "genes gradually change". Im glad you asked a