This value of 1 millisecond is to small to give effect. It doesn't sound wider and not loader because the 2 transients aren't aligned and therefore doesn't support each other. It needs a higher value and I have seen example with 3 copies whereas one is nudged after left-panned, one is nudged ahead and right-panned and one is still in the center. The different EQ of panned tracks are important that is true.
this doesnt make anything wider, it just delays one side of a stereo track, if you watched it on a proper phase meter, you would know this doesnt do shit to the width, and it certainly doesnt make it any louder
This process works very well, though I wouldn't use it on bass or low frequency instruments, for reasons that should be obvious. I use this on guitar tracks frequently. However, I will generally EQ each side very differently. For instance, I might boost frequencies in one side, and cut them in the other. This makes it easier for your brain to think of each side as a different instrument/performance. It can sound as though it's being performed one side of the room and 'landing' on the other side.
@sonicthehedgehogxp I agree for the most part, but I think it could still be disorienting, especially with headphones on. However, like all forms of art, you should do what you think works and is appealling to you. As with most recordings, you should test them on a variety of speakers and headphones. One of the reasons I do it with guitar is to make room for the bass to come up the center, especially if I'm mixing music for a friend that only recorded one guitar part.
I might be missing the point here, but the fact that you are using the same mono track panned hard right and hard left even with a offset will not produce a stereo sound. It will produce a mono sound that has a slight CHORUS effect. Since a chorus is a doubling of the voice offset by a few milliseconds.......
@sexysexerton No it wont. You got the same mono signal coming out from both speaker. To have a stereo signal there has to be some difference between the left and right signal path. If the exact same wave is plaid in both signal path (left and right output) then you have only one wave being plaid and no matter how much panning you do, it doesn't change the wave it self. The left speak will play the exact same wave as the right speaker>
>If you reversed the polarity of one of the speakers you would find that you are nullifying your sound completely. That's because you are playing the exact same sound but with a -180 polarity. Which makes one speaker membrane push out as the other pulls in. Anyways long technical explanation here that isn't needed. You can create a stereo field by using the exact same mono sound.
@Raindarsus It's no longer the same signal because when he offset one track by 10 milliseconds he changed the phase alignment of the waves. The left speaker will be doing something different in time than the right speaker, giving you the illusion of a stereo guitar. It's a commonly used trick in the field. If you don't believe me or this video try it yourself in headphones.
@sexysexerton that's how a chorus works, which comes back to my first comment 6 days ago. But to my knowledge that doesn't create a stereo sound. I'll test it out and see with a stereo field analyzer.
I would think that a sound with more high frequencies would illustrate what you're doing a lot better. Besides that, another way of achieving this is by inserting a stereo short delay plugin, set one side to a delay of 10 milliseconds anmd a complete wet signal, and set the other channel complete dry. I think it's quicker, plus you have the extra option of adding a little modulation on the wet signal to make it even wider
@Vortex4001 Then use a stereo widener ;-) You have that if you use Protools 8, it's one of the AIR plugins. If not, you can again use the short stereo delay and then set the mix to about 1/4 on both left and right. Then set the modulation to just a little above zero, also on both sides, and the rate to somewhere around 0.75, but use different settings for the left and the right channel. This adds a little chorus effect, but also widens the stereo image :-)
This value of 1 millisecond is to small to give effect. It doesn't sound wider and not loader because the 2 transients aren't aligned and therefore doesn't support each other. It needs a higher value and I have seen example with 3 copies whereas one is nudged after left-panned, one is nudged ahead and right-panned and one is still in the center. The different EQ of panned tracks are important that is true.
rawstarmusic 2 months ago
that smacking and breathing Justin? omg every video? you have an old soul
TheDymondusic 10 months ago
this doesnt make anything wider, it just delays one side of a stereo track, if you watched it on a proper phase meter, you would know this doesnt do shit to the width, and it certainly doesnt make it any louder
bettzeug 11 months ago 4
No matter how much you offset the track..it still doesnt make you sound less creepy...But good Video for people who didnt know this already! =D
rexoff 11 months ago
Video sound is mono. nice going with the "hear the differense" when you show it :|
tunnis7us 1 year ago
This process works very well, though I wouldn't use it on bass or low frequency instruments, for reasons that should be obvious. I use this on guitar tracks frequently. However, I will generally EQ each side very differently. For instance, I might boost frequencies in one side, and cut them in the other. This makes it easier for your brain to think of each side as a different instrument/performance. It can sound as though it's being performed one side of the room and 'landing' on the other side.
therightclique 1 year ago
@therightclique That you again for contributing your knowledge to the community!
Justin
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WiNKsound 1 year ago
@therightclique You humanly cannot tell the direction of any bass frequencys under 100, you can image bass....
sonicthehedgehogxp 6 months ago
@sonicthehedgehogxp I agree for the most part, but I think it could still be disorienting, especially with headphones on. However, like all forms of art, you should do what you think works and is appealling to you. As with most recordings, you should test them on a variety of speakers and headphones. One of the reasons I do it with guitar is to make room for the bass to come up the center, especially if I'm mixing music for a friend that only recorded one guitar part.
therightclique 6 months ago
@therightclique Great point, bass is disorienting when its on some delay effects.
sonicthehedgehogxp 6 months ago
IM TRYING TO PUT PROTOOLS 8 PLUG INS SOUNDS INTO MASCHINE CAN YOU HELP ME WIT THAT
zayemusic 1 year ago
IM TRYING TO PUT PROTOOLS 8 PLUG INS SOUNDS INTO MASCHINE CAN YOU HELP ME WIT THAT
zayemusic 1 year ago
I might be missing the point here, but the fact that you are using the same mono track panned hard right and hard left even with a offset will not produce a stereo sound. It will produce a mono sound that has a slight CHORUS effect. Since a chorus is a doubling of the voice offset by a few milliseconds.......
Raindarsus 1 year ago
@Raindarsus but they are panned, so it will be wider than it was as a mono track.
sexysexerton 1 year ago
@sexysexerton No it wont. You got the same mono signal coming out from both speaker. To have a stereo signal there has to be some difference between the left and right signal path. If the exact same wave is plaid in both signal path (left and right output) then you have only one wave being plaid and no matter how much panning you do, it doesn't change the wave it self. The left speak will play the exact same wave as the right speaker>
Raindarsus 1 year ago
>If you reversed the polarity of one of the speakers you would find that you are nullifying your sound completely. That's because you are playing the exact same sound but with a -180 polarity. Which makes one speaker membrane push out as the other pulls in. Anyways long technical explanation here that isn't needed. You can create a stereo field by using the exact same mono sound.
Raindarsus 1 year ago
@Raindarsus It's no longer the same signal because when he offset one track by 10 milliseconds he changed the phase alignment of the waves. The left speaker will be doing something different in time than the right speaker, giving you the illusion of a stereo guitar. It's a commonly used trick in the field. If you don't believe me or this video try it yourself in headphones.
sexysexerton 1 year ago
@sexysexerton that's how a chorus works, which comes back to my first comment 6 days ago. But to my knowledge that doesn't create a stereo sound. I'll test it out and see with a stereo field analyzer.
Raindarsus 1 year ago
@Raindarsus Actually I'll retract my comment and agree that it isn't technically stereo. It would only thicken the sound.
sexysexerton 1 year ago
With this video being about "widening the stereo field," and the fact that you proceeded to copy and past a guitar part makes me laugh, super hard.
slayer666metallica 1 year ago
I would think that a sound with more high frequencies would illustrate what you're doing a lot better. Besides that, another way of achieving this is by inserting a stereo short delay plugin, set one side to a delay of 10 milliseconds anmd a complete wet signal, and set the other channel complete dry. I think it's quicker, plus you have the extra option of adding a little modulation on the wet signal to make it even wider
musician1971a 1 year ago
@musician1971a YOU GOT AN a....BECAUSE I USE THE SAME THING...........BUT WHAT IF THE TRACKS WERE STEREO, HOW WOULD I ACCCOMPLISH THIS?
Vortex4001 1 year ago
@Vortex4001 Then use a stereo widener ;-) You have that if you use Protools 8, it's one of the AIR plugins. If not, you can again use the short stereo delay and then set the mix to about 1/4 on both left and right. Then set the modulation to just a little above zero, also on both sides, and the rate to somewhere around 0.75, but use different settings for the left and the right channel. This adds a little chorus effect, but also widens the stereo image :-)
musician1971a 1 year ago
Won't this just create some Phase issues with the different waveforms in and out of Peaks and Troughs??
Kmeiringmusic 1 year ago
fuckry bullshit
travkon 1 year ago