There is one point I disagree with you on. For me, Ariel isn't so much a brat with a 'screw you dad, I'll do what I want' mentality as a bit of an bimbo with a 'ooooh, look at the shiny, I'm going for the shiny' metality. In short, while this isn't much consolation, as kids shouldn't be taught that blindly running into dangerous situations and forgetfulness to the point of being truly dim is positive, it is slightly better then her being a deliberate arse.
Belle is my fave still. Not because she's the bookish one, but because she is able to see past outwards appearance and see beauty. I always hated the end though. I stop watching before the Beast transforms into the prince. I hate the handsome prince. I wanted him to stay the Beast. Heck, maybe then they could go on adventures together lol. Of course the themes are dulled down big time for Disney, but I can get behind the "don't judge others by their appearance" theme.
The whole movie of Mulan happens because Mulan loves her father, and the sequel pretends that Mulan would get married without her father present? Le sigh.
Oh my gosh, thank you! Best Disney rant ever! I seriously was hearing myself in some of your arguments, espechially when you brought up the need for a happily single female lead and how badly Mulan is marketed. Hell to the yes.
To be fair to Beauty And The Beast though, they do have Belle grow in the musical. They give her a number where she sings about how her feelings for 'adventure' and 'what she wants' has changed, called "A Change In Me".
Honestly I'd rather my little sister and other little girls see the marriages in Disney movies and respond to them posivitively rather than having them see all these celebrities ruining marriage. Its a good contrast really, but I understand what you mean and I would like a disney movie where the female is on an adventure for something unique and doesn't end up with a guy. *shrug* Tis life though, hopefully ppl will start taking the hint, lol. ^_~
Ariel, she recieved no consequences for all her disobedience and when she finally does get punished they make the dad look bad. So no wonder she went off to a witch to get married and pregnant as a teen, because she never thought of any consequences.
MMM, that does bother me. I didnt notice that. They do have this need to go out and be bright intelligent women who break away from the 'norm'. But then they end up with a man who stops them dead in their tracks.
The reason I love Treasure Planet so much is because it's about a boy becoming a man. Jim's strongest connections are with his mom, Amelia, and the fatherly male figures in his life (Silver and Dilbert). He doesn't come anywhere close to finding a girlfriend. I just wish Disney could make a movie about a girl not needing a man.
The other book Belle was reading was Romeo and Juliet =) I recognized the first two lines xD
I also completely agree with you on these rants. Especially on Ariel. To be honest, I have never liked her. I find her to be shallow and selfish =/ I mean, she gets herself twisted into so much trouble, but never pays for it. Her father was the one who paid for all her mistakes, and she still chose to leave him. She does not change. She's just flat and I hate that.
Let me just say...I love Belle. She's my favorite, she always has been, she always will be, and she is one of the best princesses, if not the best, in the disney princess franchise. In my humble opinion.
If you look at what Belle reads, her wanting of something more is probably simlar to what she reads in her books, fantasy and romance. I think her adventures with the beast were probably the fantastical adventure she was looking for. Not all girls are going to end up with the guy they want, nor do they need a guy, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. People make mountains out of molehills.
@kimiko492 So there is nothing wrong with the media promoting certain images? I'm not saying these things are wrong, but issues of merchandising are important because they are not just selling items, they are selling ideas and concepts. There is nothing wrong with romance but why is that all women are shown to aspire to from Disney to Romantic Comedies? We should care about these things and just because it's sweet or well done, doesn't negate the issues with those tropes.
@MelinaPendulum There should be stories where the girl doesn't have to have a romance to have a rich, fufilling character arc, and i agree with you on this. But I wouldn't go so far as to apply R.C's to Disney in terms of how women are portrayed. R.C girl characters are usually horribly written,completely unlikable and asinine, at least most of the girls in disney have personalities that contain redeemable/admirable qualities
@kimiko492 They are like R.C in the sense that they are promoting the same goals (marriage, love above all elese) and have very homogenous characters, ideas and the like. They all promote an image of the ideal and their image for that is the same.
(CONT.) While I think both failed for a variety of reasons ( doesn't appeal to enough people, lack of good songs, doesn't push any boundries story telling wise EX: hunchback of notredame, lion king,etc., it also had way too much focus on the romance. While I think you could argue cinderella, ariel, B&B, also similarly places emphasis, they do so many other things right that the movies can hold their own.In addition, Belle was put on a pedestal of intellect more by the fans than the actual movie
I think you come down a bit too hard on a majority of things. When you start talking about merchandising I think you're getting a bit nit-picky. And while I think you did bring up a good point that girls need to have an arc just like the guys, what's so bad with romance in movies? If you think about it most disney movies end with the lead guy getting a girl too. If done right, it can be sweet and a topper on a good film. Tangled and (to an extent) Princess and the frog is what not to do.
end my rant with this- i don't want disney going all PC on us. They tried to do that with 'princess and the frog' look how much flak that got. Sometimes poking fun out how stupid we can be helps us solve issues. I felt that disney made fun of the prejudice characters in pocahuntus. I never watched princess movies as a kid and thought 'this is how relationships should be!' i was interested in their dresses. My 6 year old niece did not care about the romance either. It's pretty entertainment.
I get what you're saying,but i'm a lil tired of feminest rants on disney prinesses. There were alot of comments on this new snow white movie coming out from feminists -'about time they have a kick ass snow white!' why? Why does snow white have to be fighting with a sword to be called strong woman? And i don't even like her or snow white tale. I see disney going the 'ass kicking girl' route, which is not a bad thing. It's not realistic either, girls don't need to be wonder woman to be strong.
@FayeChan01 I don't want an ass kicking snow white, I have no problem with docile female leads, however I would like my protagonist to not be an object and actual have an active role in her own story.
You forget disneys main goal was to 'entertain'. Yes the disney princess romance storylines are pretty out-dated now, but before it was good entertainment. The thing is you see it in a different light as an adult. I never even noticed the prejudice in peter pan, it was all done in such a light way my child eyes missed it. Dumbo, jungle book, and lion king were not all about romance. Neither was peter pan, so disney does know theres more to life than finding true love- continued.......
I know this comment isn't directed at me, but I, for one, bloody hope not. Or I'm going to be pissed off if there turns out to be a love interest which the trailer is hiding. Or if she actually spends the film being saved by men and is a faux action girl.
I have faith, sort of. But I'm cautiously pessimistic.
@hole1991 Actually, to be honest, I do want Merida to have a love interest. It just don't want it to be the central aspect you know. I highly doubt that she is going to be a faux action girl*coughrapunzelcough* cause her storyline is baisically about her using a bow.
Hm, I never thought of Rapunzel as a faux action girl; in my head, she was just a girl who occasionally defended herself with a frying pan and she was never marketed as a action girl (unlike, to use a non-disney movie, Kayly from 'Quest for Camelot', where they had full trailers which suggested 'tom boy badass' and then it turned out she does nothing at all).
With regards to love interest, to me, it would make her ununique, purely because asexual females are never around ever.
The funny thing is what you describe is similar to a film I was idly mapped about a year ago (even did a few drawings). In my situation, the princesses' (modelled after Rapunzel) major love is her kingdom; she saves her kingdom from her treacherous younger sister (modelled on Wendy and Alice) and the royal adviser (Frollo). And the romantic couple which I had developed was a prince (supposed to originally act as the princesses' suitor but then becomes her trainer) and Clopin-style jester.
I agree with pretty much all your points. I think it would be a great idea to have a LGBTQ Disney Princess/character that's the focus of the story. Even a disabled main character as well.
Disney really needs to start opening up more doors and showing children that there's more to life and love then their little bubble that they've been showing all these years.
@vanillaskulldirector iz that tru about Miguel & tulio??? They would hav been really good 2gether:D. & I agree about the dreamworks vs. Disney thing. I doubt Disney will every make a LGBT movie
Oddly enough, one aspect that has always bothered me with the ye olde Disney Princesses.... they had no toes. Seriously: Cinderella's feet were quite a central focus of her narrative, and the woman had no toes. That's just wrong!
Meanwhile, I do agree with all the points you raised. I actually appreciate how very 'teenager'y Ariel was, because as you say it was very accurate, but given that we never got to see her progress to a level of maturity that would justify marriage... a shame.
Neeergh... that was a lot of talking, I don't know if I absorbed any of that.
Basically... Disney Princess' = More or less flat with no good goals in mind for their life so when some guy comes along they're all like 'yeah, I think that's what I wanted.'?
.... That seems rather true to life for most teenage girls I knew in High School, now I've got to wonder if Disney is based on life or if it just influenced every girl I know to think that way.
I love you so much, Melina. I love Disney movies, but we need to have ladies that are progressie. I know so many little girls that watch these movies, and don't take out the right messages. A four year old I babysit has inserted herself into the role of the damsel in distress, and only dreams of marriage. That's not right.
I love all your points here, and I wish more people would think critically about things including their Disney movies. Two mor things: rock on we need some asexual love in these movies and am I the only one who ever remembers Akita? I love her! And shes a proactive princess!
I totally agree with all of this! However, I actually rather like the relationship between Mulan and Shang (forgetting the sequel) because as characters, they may not have "dated" but they went through a lot of stuff together for a long time. They fought a war together! And I also feel like their relationship is more equal. Shang and Mulan both work to impress each other and they both try their best to make an honest living. They may still be a little "disneyish" but they are a lot more modern.
I'm not offended by what you said. In fact, you mentioned several of my favourite Disney heroines (Meg, Jane, Mulan, Tianan Esmeralda). I have to say, though, I don't think Rapunzel's goal was ONLY Flynn; as someone else mentioned, she achieved her goal and found her family. And, honestly, I agree with you; we have a right to discuss things we love. There are lots of movies I love, but they have flaws and there's nothing wrong with discussing them. So no, I'm not offended by anything you said.
I've always favored the original Little Mermaid Story by Hans Christian Anderson. At least in that story the Little Mermaid was searching for a way to gain a soul.
I think SLEEPING BEAUTY is (at least somewhat) progressive. Sure, Aurora is a cut-and-paste Princess, but the Three Good Faeries are all strong, interesting female characters whose lives don't hinge on finding a man. Sure, Philip is the one who saves the day, but without the Faeries, he could not do so.
What's wrong with having cats? I completely agree with Disney needing to think about a wider audience. Knowing that you influence the minds of people should change the way you produce your work. it's like not cussing around a 3 year old because you know they'll cuss too.
@xplutoforplanethoodx There are lots of movies with male lead characters that have no love interest. The need to have one is more common with female leads than male leads, so this does not really mean that much. The majority of the female population wants to see a male/female relationship when a female is a lead character. It is unfortunate, but the entertainment industry makes their decisions not off of what society needs, but what society wants- because that's what makes money.
Thank you for another interesting video. If all girls were as intelligent and deep as you instead of reading twilight, dreaming about justin bieber, watching jersey shore, acting like paris hilton and thinking that romeo and juliet is a love story, women would rule the world. Men are not standing in women's way, women are standing in each other's way and men are just taking advantage of it.
I also want to let people know that as far a vocie actors go, Sweden gets the best. The swedish dubbed versions has always got better voices. For example: search for this video on youtube: Beauty and The beast - Belle reprised (swedish). The lyrics are also much smarter and more witty. Great wide somewhere??? - give me a break)
I also agree with Pentazoid111. Why is it that if the lead character is a male, romance becomes a subplot, but if the lead character is a female, romance becomes the only plot. This is why nobody likes chick flicks. The disney prince has an actual goal in life and will stop at nothing until that goal is achieved, but the disney princess only gets married at the end and that's it.
In the swedish dubbed version of Beauty and the Beast, the lyrics are different. Belle doesn't say that she wants to go on adventures in the great wide somewhere. In fact I was shocked when I saw the english version. She says that she wants a friend who would understand her. She does say that she wants to leave her small town, but that's because it's inhabited by fools who don't get her. So the movie is more satisfying in the swedish version because she gets what she wants; a true friend.
@ravendarkwater I think they did... in spirit. In Tarzan & Jane Jane refers to Tarzan as her husband, but considering that they lived amongst gorillas and that they had no access to any legal system or ordained religious figures... I'm pretty sure that they weren't technically "married".
I'm actually hoping Pixar takes care of this with the movie Brave. I don't know much about it, other than what's on Wiki, but I'm hoping she has more to do in the end, besides getting married.
I never really thought about a disney princess with a different sexuality and the thought of it is really interesting. I am curious to how disney would go about it if they ever do, though.
I was never a fan of the princess movies, maybe because of the poor character development and for the fact that as i kid, romance was just. so. boring.
I was so into your video and listening to it very seriously at the very valid argument that you've been putting out about everything. But I burst out laughing at that "I wanna get ass. Nice = ass, gettin it." comment. You crack me Up Melina XD
I actually wanna see a movie to have a woman who is satisfied with being single; just to show that it is okay to have goals and that they can be happy with being a single
You are hilarious. :) I like the characters Belle, Jane, Esmeralda, Megara, Melody, and Rapunzel. I think the Hunchback of Notre Dame really showed a darker side of Disney...which is actually more accurate in reality. He doesn't fit in with society by how he looks which is so true with reality. But he finds people who look past that and love him for who he is.:)
@xoxVikki15xox I didn't count that book in this video as it's an additional scene from an updated edition. Not to mention I really don't think of R&J on a sort high lit level personally.
@MelinaPendulum You're right, it's not really, even though for some reason everyone in my high school except for me and a few of my friends had trouble with it :P
Mulan and Megara are my favourite. Meg, just because she seems like an awesome person to be friends or in love with, plus, funny. <3
Mulan because her whole quest was for her Father, and the plot was a driving force. Shang turned up at the end too but it was ambigious - was he coming to say thank you? Are they going to stay friends? Is she going to keep training with him? Will they marry straight up? Will they develope a relasionship?
I ignore the sequel, cause, ew. Money spinning. =3
@PurpleBadger That's what annoys me about the sequel because her and Shang's relationship meant so many things, but they just HAD to show them getting married and having ten million speeches about heart.
At least it was a bit more realistic. I mean, they argued, they had disagreements, they got stressed and took things out on each other, but they realized that what they had was more important than a minor disagreement and decided to compromise. That's what I got from the sequel, but I only watched it once on tv a long time ago.
Did you happen to read the original Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Anderson? If not, I suggest you do because I thought it was a very interesting insight into her motivations that Disney didn't put into their movie. I agree that she is a rather annoying and bland character, but the original story fleshes out her character in my opinion. I believe somebody else has already said this hear, but Belle wasn't a bookworm because of the books she read. Simple stories would be complex at the time.
@severussnapeftw I have, but I don't think that the original story makes Ariel a better character because their stories/endings and moral meanings are completely different. The original little mermaid is such an interesting story about the sacrifices made for love and how no matter how much you give sometimes the one you love doesn't love you back.
@MelinaPendulum It definitely is a much better story, and I like how she wanted to be human for an immortal soul, and not simply for the prince. I think it makes a lot more sense for a person, whether a teenager or an adult, to give up his or her family for a soul that will last forever, rather than a cute boy. I just wish I could have seen Disney use the original story's meanings in an appropriate way that children can understand, because I think they have that ability.
I was wandering the same thing about disney having a happy ending of the character being gay or single because I have several friends who think you need to be in a relationship to be happy. My little sister also thinks you need a relationship and thinks I have an unhappy life because most of my life I have being single. I also have a lot of friends who are homosexual so it would be nice for these 2 endings to happen.
Unrelated to the content of what you're saying, I accidentally hit some keys on my keyboard and it turned on annotations and during the part where you say you like high fantasy it said, ""High fantasy mostly white people women elected ragan have babies" I thought it was funny.
One of the reasons I didn't love the Princess and the Frog is because I had absolutely no idea what was going on half the time. I'm Australian, and I don't have a hard time understanding accents most of the time, but in that movie, the accents were so strong, my sister and I were just sitting there staring at each other in confusion. I think they really ostracised their international market with that film.
Ever noticed that the disney movies that center around a prince like figure or a male character have designated rigid goals that they intend to accomplish (i.e Lion king, sword and the stone, black cauldron, herculues), whereas the disney princess movies just focus like you said in the beginning talking about adventure, but at the end of the day ,getting a man)
Many of the modern princesses don't have character arcs because many of the writers were more focused on getting the movie message across (i.e. Beauty and the Beast - Don't base anything on looks. Pocahontas - Love is stronger than hate.)
I agree, but I think that Rapunzel from Tangled is a little better than the princesses like Cinderella and whatnot. She does have a somewhat more developed dream than just having an adventure (seeing the lights), and although her story does end with her marrying someone, it pretty much shows that her marrying Finn wasn't the only thing that made her dream come true. She was a royal who actually did help her people and she found her parents, so it wasn't just get married and that's why its happy
@MelinaPendulum Yeah . . . That's why I said she was just a little better than the other girls. It's like what you said with Belle- she might've done all those things she said she wanted to do, but you just don't know.
(continued) I think (if I'm wrong and my argument is made mute, I'm sorry) it says in the end that she ended up ruling her kingdom with love and all that. Still, you never see her do that though, which is why I do agree with you that she fits with the others, just not as much since the movie actually says that she did something besides just get married.
@Nosaltypeanut Honestly, I don't care all that much about things like hair color in the Princesses. I kinda just consider it people finding things to nitpick about; personally, I think she looks better with the brown hair, so if the character designers were going for "brown hair=not as good as blonde hair" thing, it backfired as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, to SO MUCH of this. Especially about how disney needs to be way more diverse.
I think the 'adventure' thing disney princesses are looking for is really just a simpler way of saying they're looking for 'fulfillment' in their lives. So I'd say, yeah, Belle, Ariel, and Jasmine find that in the end of their stories even thought they don't end up going on an epic quest or whatever.
I don't think people really want a movie with LGBT stuff in it at the moment. Disney is a business, so obviously they are going to make what people will buy.
@MrsWillsay Walt Disney said that he never wanted a Afro American princess... And yet disney did it after he died.. Times are changing. its important for kids to see and learn that there are different types of love like LGBT. Hate comes from ignorance and being ueducated. .
But, you know, when they do make a disney princess fall in love with another princess, it's going to be a media explosion with a bunch of bible-thumping nutjobs blowing up movie theaters. I mean, there was a big stink about brokeback mountain, and that movie wasn't even meant for kids.
@Zipblockgory Not just that, but Disney translates its movies to be exported to countries all around the world. (Even the crappy straight-to-home sequels are exported!) We would have to live in a day and age where every single modernized country across the globe is tolerant of homosexuality, and that's obviously not going to happen in a very long time, if at all. So, I have absolutely zero hopes of a lesbian Disney princess. The most I can hope for is a happily single princess.
The only famous Disney movies I can think of that didn't have romantic subplots were Alice in Wonderland (because she was still just a child and there were no little boys in Wonderland for her to crush on,) and maybe Mary Poppins (but the romantic tension between her and Bert was so blatant that I'm not sure if I can count that.)
A lot of Disney fans misunderstand why Belle was such an outcast at the beginning of Beauty and the Beast. It wasn't because she was a highly-intellectual bookworm, but because she was a literate woman in a time period when literate women were extremely rare.
In our current society Disney would never promote Gays, Lesbians etc everything has to be politically correct or it's a no go for them. I wish Disney would give us more strong Male oriented movies, I mean Treasure Planet was such a relatable movie to me, the whole single mom thing and Jim Hawkins was so me as a person from his teen years to when he grew up. I want more Disney movies like that, Tarzan, Hercules.
@Zipblockgory Not just that, but Disney translates its movies to be exported to countries all around the world. (Even the crappy straight-to-home sequels are exported!) We would have to live in a day and age where every single modernized country across the globe is tolerant of homosexuality, and that's obviously not going to happen in a very long time, if at all. So, I have absolutely zero hopes of a lesbian Disney princess. The most I can hope for is a happily single princess.
I'd like to see them do more non-European fairy-tales and I would love to see a Princess with a real goal (and they aren't obsessed). And a non-romantic one would be nice too. But I think since everyone remembers the big romantic songs, that will never happen.
In a few decades I think we will start having LGBT Disney movies because there are a lot of cartoons now that are just shy of blatant.
I have the weirdest feeling that Dreamworks will be doing a gay couple long before Disney does... I mean, if TVTropes is to be believed, Miguel & Tulio from The Road to El Dorado were briefly intended to be a couple.
I agree that people need to take off the Disney-nostalgia goggles from time to time. And not just with the Princess movies - Hunchback 2 did the same thing as Pocahontas 2; they couldn't have Quasi be content with finally finding his self-worth, oh no... he had to get a hot chick.
I've made that point about the source materials not being progressive, and the films being made long before people became progressive, but it seemed to go in one ear and out the other.
I do think the Belle point in regards to the books she's reading is a bit of a stretch though, we only SEE her reading two books, but she's surrounded by books, she could have read just about anything.
@LeonSKennedy828 It's more to say we assume she's reading something brilliant, but we get Jack and the Beanstalk, a romance and Romeo and Juliet [in human again]. People link her intellect to reading when we don't really know WHAT she's reading.
@MelinaPendulum I guess so. Still, I think it's pretty safe to assume not ALL of the books were like the two examples you mentioned, from where I'm looking at. But I can't really prove it I suppose, heh.
@LeonSKennedy828 I'm not saying that's all she reads, but I'm saying that we having to base her being the "smart" princess other than her reading books and the books we do see her read aren't that amazing. Of course there could potentially be more, but there is nothing to prove what she reads/the quality of it, etc. [[Belle is still the smart one in my heart <3 tbh]]]
There is one point I disagree with you on. For me, Ariel isn't so much a brat with a 'screw you dad, I'll do what I want' mentality as a bit of an bimbo with a 'ooooh, look at the shiny, I'm going for the shiny' metality. In short, while this isn't much consolation, as kids shouldn't be taught that blindly running into dangerous situations and forgetfulness to the point of being truly dim is positive, it is slightly better then her being a deliberate arse.
hole1991 3 days ago
Belle is my fave still. Not because she's the bookish one, but because she is able to see past outwards appearance and see beauty. I always hated the end though. I stop watching before the Beast transforms into the prince. I hate the handsome prince. I wanted him to stay the Beast. Heck, maybe then they could go on adventures together lol. Of course the themes are dulled down big time for Disney, but I can get behind the "don't judge others by their appearance" theme.
JulianGreystoke 3 weeks ago
Totally agree with you, most Disney princesses are all Mary-sues and so they're "perfect" with no reason for character development.
GemGems3 4 weeks ago
whateva, I do what i want lol
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The whole movie of Mulan happens because Mulan loves her father, and the sequel pretends that Mulan would get married without her father present? Le sigh.
errorsinconduct 1 month ago
Oh my gosh, thank you! Best Disney rant ever! I seriously was hearing myself in some of your arguments, espechially when you brought up the need for a happily single female lead and how badly Mulan is marketed. Hell to the yes.
To be fair to Beauty And The Beast though, they do have Belle grow in the musical. They give her a number where she sings about how her feelings for 'adventure' and 'what she wants' has changed, called "A Change In Me".
JustAPrayer 1 month ago
Honestly I'd rather my little sister and other little girls see the marriages in Disney movies and respond to them posivitively rather than having them see all these celebrities ruining marriage. Its a good contrast really, but I understand what you mean and I would like a disney movie where the female is on an adventure for something unique and doesn't end up with a guy. *shrug* Tis life though, hopefully ppl will start taking the hint, lol. ^_~
DeathCatEyes 1 month ago
Ariel, she recieved no consequences for all her disobedience and when she finally does get punished they make the dad look bad. So no wonder she went off to a witch to get married and pregnant as a teen, because she never thought of any consequences.
TheLadyKaylah 2 months ago
MMM, that does bother me. I didnt notice that. They do have this need to go out and be bright intelligent women who break away from the 'norm'. But then they end up with a man who stops them dead in their tracks.
TheLadyKaylah 2 months ago
Have you heard there's going to be a new Disney princess? Her name is Sofia the First. There's going to be a movie about her then a TV show series.
I saw an article about it on Yahoo when it was under "What's Trending?" What do you think?
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The reason I love Treasure Planet so much is because it's about a boy becoming a man. Jim's strongest connections are with his mom, Amelia, and the fatherly male figures in his life (Silver and Dilbert). He doesn't come anywhere close to finding a girlfriend. I just wish Disney could make a movie about a girl not needing a man.
TheNerdyCanuck 2 months ago
My personal female in fantasy literature is Scheherazade, like to see Disney take on a character like that and do it justice.
flipleg 2 months ago
Umm don't you mean "objective". Objective is looking at things critically. The word you use "subjective" is that everyone sees it different.
Blondegenius3 3 months ago
The other book Belle was reading was Romeo and Juliet =) I recognized the first two lines xD
I also completely agree with you on these rants. Especially on Ariel. To be honest, I have never liked her. I find her to be shallow and selfish =/ I mean, she gets herself twisted into so much trouble, but never pays for it. Her father was the one who paid for all her mistakes, and she still chose to leave him. She does not change. She's just flat and I hate that.
ApologeticWinterMoon 3 months ago
I never minded Ariel going against her father, he's a racist ^.^
WeegleFeegle 3 months ago
@WeegleFeegle except you can't be racist against a different species
MelinaPendulum 3 months ago
@MelinaPendulum The human race. It was a joke : /
WeegleFeegle 3 months ago
@WeegleFeegle lol, I know sorry I forgot to put an lol at the end of my statement.
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@MelinaPendulum You're super awesome, so it doesn't really matter ^.^
WeegleFeegle 3 months ago
Let me just say...I love Belle. She's my favorite, she always has been, she always will be, and she is one of the best princesses, if not the best, in the disney princess franchise. In my humble opinion.
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@DreamlessNights91 I agree :)
MelinaPendulum 3 months ago
If you look at what Belle reads, her wanting of something more is probably simlar to what she reads in her books, fantasy and romance. I think her adventures with the beast were probably the fantastical adventure she was looking for. Not all girls are going to end up with the guy they want, nor do they need a guy, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. People make mountains out of molehills.
kimiko492 4 months ago
@kimiko492 So there is nothing wrong with the media promoting certain images? I'm not saying these things are wrong, but issues of merchandising are important because they are not just selling items, they are selling ideas and concepts. There is nothing wrong with romance but why is that all women are shown to aspire to from Disney to Romantic Comedies? We should care about these things and just because it's sweet or well done, doesn't negate the issues with those tropes.
MelinaPendulum 4 months ago
@MelinaPendulum There should be stories where the girl doesn't have to have a romance to have a rich, fufilling character arc, and i agree with you on this. But I wouldn't go so far as to apply R.C's to Disney in terms of how women are portrayed. R.C girl characters are usually horribly written,completely unlikable and asinine, at least most of the girls in disney have personalities that contain redeemable/admirable qualities
kimiko492 4 months ago
@kimiko492 They are like R.C in the sense that they are promoting the same goals (marriage, love above all elese) and have very homogenous characters, ideas and the like. They all promote an image of the ideal and their image for that is the same.
MelinaPendulum 4 months ago
(CONT.) While I think both failed for a variety of reasons ( doesn't appeal to enough people, lack of good songs, doesn't push any boundries story telling wise EX: hunchback of notredame, lion king,etc., it also had way too much focus on the romance. While I think you could argue cinderella, ariel, B&B, also similarly places emphasis, they do so many other things right that the movies can hold their own.In addition, Belle was put on a pedestal of intellect more by the fans than the actual movie
kimiko492 4 months ago
I think you come down a bit too hard on a majority of things. When you start talking about merchandising I think you're getting a bit nit-picky. And while I think you did bring up a good point that girls need to have an arc just like the guys, what's so bad with romance in movies? If you think about it most disney movies end with the lead guy getting a girl too. If done right, it can be sweet and a topper on a good film. Tangled and (to an extent) Princess and the frog is what not to do.
kimiko492 4 months ago
i would love to see a single princess though, not every girl needs a man to be happy- media needs to stop pushing this at people.
FayeChan01 4 months ago
end my rant with this- i don't want disney going all PC on us. They tried to do that with 'princess and the frog' look how much flak that got. Sometimes poking fun out how stupid we can be helps us solve issues. I felt that disney made fun of the prejudice characters in pocahuntus. I never watched princess movies as a kid and thought 'this is how relationships should be!' i was interested in their dresses. My 6 year old niece did not care about the romance either. It's pretty entertainment.
FayeChan01 4 months ago
I get what you're saying,but i'm a lil tired of feminest rants on disney prinesses. There were alot of comments on this new snow white movie coming out from feminists -'about time they have a kick ass snow white!' why? Why does snow white have to be fighting with a sword to be called strong woman? And i don't even like her or snow white tale. I see disney going the 'ass kicking girl' route, which is not a bad thing. It's not realistic either, girls don't need to be wonder woman to be strong.
FayeChan01 4 months ago
@FayeChan01 I don't want an ass kicking snow white, I have no problem with docile female leads, however I would like my protagonist to not be an object and actual have an active role in her own story.
MelinaPendulum 4 months ago
You forget disneys main goal was to 'entertain'. Yes the disney princess romance storylines are pretty out-dated now, but before it was good entertainment. The thing is you see it in a different light as an adult. I never even noticed the prejudice in peter pan, it was all done in such a light way my child eyes missed it. Dumbo, jungle book, and lion king were not all about romance. Neither was peter pan, so disney does know theres more to life than finding true love- continued.......
FayeChan01 4 months ago
I think you'll get your wish with Brave. I hope...well I mean Merida won't have a man.
cakecrumb095 4 months ago 3
@cakecrumb095
I know this comment isn't directed at me, but I, for one, bloody hope not. Or I'm going to be pissed off if there turns out to be a love interest which the trailer is hiding. Or if she actually spends the film being saved by men and is a faux action girl.
I have faith, sort of. But I'm cautiously pessimistic.
hole1991 2 months ago
@hole1991 Actually, to be honest, I do want Merida to have a love interest. It just don't want it to be the central aspect you know. I highly doubt that she is going to be a faux action girl*coughrapunzelcough* cause her storyline is baisically about her using a bow.
cakecrumb095 2 months ago
@cakecrumb095
Hm, I never thought of Rapunzel as a faux action girl; in my head, she was just a girl who occasionally defended herself with a frying pan and she was never marketed as a action girl (unlike, to use a non-disney movie, Kayly from 'Quest for Camelot', where they had full trailers which suggested 'tom boy badass' and then it turned out she does nothing at all).
With regards to love interest, to me, it would make her ununique, purely because asexual females are never around ever.
hole1991 2 months ago
The funny thing is what you describe is similar to a film I was idly mapped about a year ago (even did a few drawings). In my situation, the princesses' (modelled after Rapunzel) major love is her kingdom; she saves her kingdom from her treacherous younger sister (modelled on Wendy and Alice) and the royal adviser (Frollo). And the romantic couple which I had developed was a prince (supposed to originally act as the princesses' suitor but then becomes her trainer) and Clopin-style jester.
hole1991 4 months ago
i love the way you analyze things
ladyjosephinelover 4 months ago
I agree with pretty much all your points. I think it would be a great idea to have a LGBTQ Disney Princess/character that's the focus of the story. Even a disabled main character as well.
Disney really needs to start opening up more doors and showing children that there's more to life and love then their little bubble that they've been showing all these years.
nerdieone1 5 months ago 2
@vanillaskulldirector iz that tru about Miguel & tulio??? They would hav been really good 2gether:D. & I agree about the dreamworks vs. Disney thing. I doubt Disney will every make a LGBT movie
Maikkacrackshiper13 5 months ago
Oddly enough, one aspect that has always bothered me with the ye olde Disney Princesses.... they had no toes. Seriously: Cinderella's feet were quite a central focus of her narrative, and the woman had no toes. That's just wrong!
Meanwhile, I do agree with all the points you raised. I actually appreciate how very 'teenager'y Ariel was, because as you say it was very accurate, but given that we never got to see her progress to a level of maturity that would justify marriage... a shame.
NEHOMAS2 5 months ago
Neeergh... that was a lot of talking, I don't know if I absorbed any of that.
Basically... Disney Princess' = More or less flat with no good goals in mind for their life so when some guy comes along they're all like 'yeah, I think that's what I wanted.'?
.... That seems rather true to life for most teenage girls I knew in High School, now I've got to wonder if Disney is based on life or if it just influenced every girl I know to think that way.
moonlady3000 5 months ago
I love you so much, Melina. I love Disney movies, but we need to have ladies that are progressie. I know so many little girls that watch these movies, and don't take out the right messages. A four year old I babysit has inserted herself into the role of the damsel in distress, and only dreams of marriage. That's not right.
LadyRhapsodos 5 months ago
I love all your points here, and I wish more people would think critically about things including their Disney movies. Two mor things: rock on we need some asexual love in these movies and am I the only one who ever remembers Akita? I love her! And shes a proactive princess!
shiku191 5 months ago
@shiku191 You mean Kida from Atlantis?
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago
I totally agree with all of this! However, I actually rather like the relationship between Mulan and Shang (forgetting the sequel) because as characters, they may not have "dated" but they went through a lot of stuff together for a long time. They fought a war together! And I also feel like their relationship is more equal. Shang and Mulan both work to impress each other and they both try their best to make an honest living. They may still be a little "disneyish" but they are a lot more modern.
LovelyRita007 5 months ago
I'm not offended by what you said. In fact, you mentioned several of my favourite Disney heroines (Meg, Jane, Mulan, Tianan Esmeralda). I have to say, though, I don't think Rapunzel's goal was ONLY Flynn; as someone else mentioned, she achieved her goal and found her family. And, honestly, I agree with you; we have a right to discuss things we love. There are lots of movies I love, but they have flaws and there's nothing wrong with discussing them. So no, I'm not offended by anything you said.
TurkeyMayor 5 months ago
I've always favored the original Little Mermaid Story by Hans Christian Anderson. At least in that story the Little Mermaid was searching for a way to gain a soul.
waterangel251983 5 months ago
I think SLEEPING BEAUTY is (at least somewhat) progressive. Sure, Aurora is a cut-and-paste Princess, but the Three Good Faeries are all strong, interesting female characters whose lives don't hinge on finding a man. Sure, Philip is the one who saves the day, but without the Faeries, he could not do so.
TomMSTie1138 5 months ago 7
Ariel being disobedient is not the half of it. The humans are KILLING HER CITIZENS! If I was Triton, I wouldn't want my daughters around them either.
Malachisaacane 5 months ago
What's wrong with having cats? I completely agree with Disney needing to think about a wider audience. Knowing that you influence the minds of people should change the way you produce your work. it's like not cussing around a 3 year old because you know they'll cuss too.
nickyg 5 months ago
Melina, have you seen Treasure Planet? It has a three dimensional main character with no love interest.
xplutoforplanethoodx 5 months ago 3
@xplutoforplanethoodx There are lots of movies with male lead characters that have no love interest. The need to have one is more common with female leads than male leads, so this does not really mean that much. The majority of the female population wants to see a male/female relationship when a female is a lead character. It is unfortunate, but the entertainment industry makes their decisions not off of what society needs, but what society wants- because that's what makes money.
TheMajesticPigeon 5 months ago
Thank you for another interesting video. If all girls were as intelligent and deep as you instead of reading twilight, dreaming about justin bieber, watching jersey shore, acting like paris hilton and thinking that romeo and juliet is a love story, women would rule the world. Men are not standing in women's way, women are standing in each other's way and men are just taking advantage of it.
movietreasure 5 months ago
Pixar should do their own line of princess movies! It's time to re-define that term.
movietreasure 5 months ago
I also want to let people know that as far a vocie actors go, Sweden gets the best. The swedish dubbed versions has always got better voices. For example: search for this video on youtube: Beauty and The beast - Belle reprised (swedish). The lyrics are also much smarter and more witty. Great wide somewhere??? - give me a break)
movietreasure 5 months ago
I also agree with Pentazoid111. Why is it that if the lead character is a male, romance becomes a subplot, but if the lead character is a female, romance becomes the only plot. This is why nobody likes chick flicks. The disney prince has an actual goal in life and will stop at nothing until that goal is achieved, but the disney princess only gets married at the end and that's it.
movietreasure 5 months ago
In the swedish dubbed version of Beauty and the Beast, the lyrics are different. Belle doesn't say that she wants to go on adventures in the great wide somewhere. In fact I was shocked when I saw the english version. She says that she wants a friend who would understand her. She does say that she wants to leave her small town, but that's because it's inhabited by fools who don't get her. So the movie is more satisfying in the swedish version because she gets what she wants; a true friend.
movietreasure 5 months ago
Does Jane get married at the end of Tarzan? I can't remember
ravendarkwater 5 months ago
@ravendarkwater I think they did... in spirit. In Tarzan & Jane Jane refers to Tarzan as her husband, but considering that they lived amongst gorillas and that they had no access to any legal system or ordained religious figures... I'm pretty sure that they weren't technically "married".
vanillaskulldirector 5 months ago
I'm actually hoping Pixar takes care of this with the movie Brave. I don't know much about it, other than what's on Wiki, but I'm hoping she has more to do in the end, besides getting married.
PottylurvesLooney 5 months ago
I never really thought about a disney princess with a different sexuality and the thought of it is really interesting. I am curious to how disney would go about it if they ever do, though.
I was never a fan of the princess movies, maybe because of the poor character development and for the fact that as i kid, romance was just. so. boring.
TsumeSlash335 5 months ago
I was so into your video and listening to it very seriously at the very valid argument that you've been putting out about everything. But I burst out laughing at that "I wanna get ass. Nice = ass, gettin it." comment. You crack me Up Melina XD
I actually wanna see a movie to have a woman who is satisfied with being single; just to show that it is okay to have goals and that they can be happy with being a single
antica 5 months ago
You are hilarious. :) I like the characters Belle, Jane, Esmeralda, Megara, Melody, and Rapunzel. I think the Hunchback of Notre Dame really showed a darker side of Disney...which is actually more accurate in reality. He doesn't fit in with society by how he looks which is so true with reality. But he finds people who look past that and love him for who he is.:)
curlyfryist 5 months ago
Actually the book Belle is reading in the castle with the Beast is Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, just thought you'd like to know :)
xoxVikki15xox 5 months ago 2
@xoxVikki15xox I didn't count that book in this video as it's an additional scene from an updated edition. Not to mention I really don't think of R&J on a sort high lit level personally.
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago
@MelinaPendulum You're right, it's not really, even though for some reason everyone in my high school except for me and a few of my friends had trouble with it :P
xoxVikki15xox 5 months ago
Mulan and Megara are my favourite. Meg, just because she seems like an awesome person to be friends or in love with, plus, funny. <3
Mulan because her whole quest was for her Father, and the plot was a driving force. Shang turned up at the end too but it was ambigious - was he coming to say thank you? Are they going to stay friends? Is she going to keep training with him? Will they marry straight up? Will they develope a relasionship?
I ignore the sequel, cause, ew. Money spinning. =3
PurpleBadger 5 months ago 9
@PurpleBadger That's what annoys me about the sequel because her and Shang's relationship meant so many things, but they just HAD to show them getting married and having ten million speeches about heart.
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago 4
@MelinaPendulum
At least it was a bit more realistic. I mean, they argued, they had disagreements, they got stressed and took things out on each other, but they realized that what they had was more important than a minor disagreement and decided to compromise. That's what I got from the sequel, but I only watched it once on tv a long time ago.
TheOneThatYouLoathe 5 months ago
@MelinaPendulum That's why I like to pretend most Disney sequels don't exist. XD
Especailly Pocahontas 2. I'm all for explaining how relasionships move on but what was that?! xD
PurpleBadger 5 months ago
Did you happen to read the original Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Anderson? If not, I suggest you do because I thought it was a very interesting insight into her motivations that Disney didn't put into their movie. I agree that she is a rather annoying and bland character, but the original story fleshes out her character in my opinion. I believe somebody else has already said this hear, but Belle wasn't a bookworm because of the books she read. Simple stories would be complex at the time.
severussnapeftw 5 months ago
@severussnapeftw I have, but I don't think that the original story makes Ariel a better character because their stories/endings and moral meanings are completely different. The original little mermaid is such an interesting story about the sacrifices made for love and how no matter how much you give sometimes the one you love doesn't love you back.
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago
@MelinaPendulum It definitely is a much better story, and I like how she wanted to be human for an immortal soul, and not simply for the prince. I think it makes a lot more sense for a person, whether a teenager or an adult, to give up his or her family for a soul that will last forever, rather than a cute boy. I just wish I could have seen Disney use the original story's meanings in an appropriate way that children can understand, because I think they have that ability.
severussnapeftw 5 months ago
"I wanna get ass. Nice = ass, gettin it." That comment completely broke my concentration, LOL!!!!!!
OtakuASSEMBLE 5 months ago 2
you have a gift for saying things i wish i knew how to say perfectly xD
creepykels 5 months ago
I was wandering the same thing about disney having a happy ending of the character being gay or single because I have several friends who think you need to be in a relationship to be happy. My little sister also thinks you need a relationship and thinks I have an unhappy life because most of my life I have being single. I also have a lot of friends who are homosexual so it would be nice for these 2 endings to happen.
AppleWithdrawals 5 months ago 5
Unrelated to the content of what you're saying, I accidentally hit some keys on my keyboard and it turned on annotations and during the part where you say you like high fantasy it said, ""High fantasy mostly white people women elected ragan have babies" I thought it was funny.
Alimaria 5 months ago
One of the reasons I didn't love the Princess and the Frog is because I had absolutely no idea what was going on half the time. I'm Australian, and I don't have a hard time understanding accents most of the time, but in that movie, the accents were so strong, my sister and I were just sitting there staring at each other in confusion. I think they really ostracised their international market with that film.
Oh, we do see Belle read Romeo and Juliet.
ToyletGnome 5 months ago
MELINA, WHY DO YOU ALWAYS SAY WHAT'S ON MY MIND?
Seriously, I can't add anymore, I just agree with you on everything.
TheTrainTicket 5 months ago 7
Ever noticed that the disney movies that center around a prince like figure or a male character have designated rigid goals that they intend to accomplish (i.e Lion king, sword and the stone, black cauldron, herculues), whereas the disney princess movies just focus like you said in the beginning talking about adventure, but at the end of the day ,getting a man)
Pentazoid111 5 months ago 24
If you're interested in diverse fantasy take a look at the Golarion pathfinder campaign setting.
omenseer 5 months ago
Many of the modern princesses don't have character arcs because many of the writers were more focused on getting the movie message across (i.e. Beauty and the Beast - Don't base anything on looks. Pocahontas - Love is stronger than hate.)
LunarEclipse360 5 months ago
yippiii another video.. Ure videos make my day tbh.
gobais53 5 months ago
I agree, but I think that Rapunzel from Tangled is a little better than the princesses like Cinderella and whatnot. She does have a somewhat more developed dream than just having an adventure (seeing the lights), and although her story does end with her marrying someone, it pretty much shows that her marrying Finn wasn't the only thing that made her dream come true. She was a royal who actually did help her people and she found her parents, so it wasn't just get married and that's why its happy
BriannaNLC 5 months ago
@BriannaNLC How did she help her people?
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago
@MelinaPendulum Yeah . . . That's why I said she was just a little better than the other girls. It's like what you said with Belle- she might've done all those things she said she wanted to do, but you just don't know.
BriannaNLC 5 months ago
(continued) I think (if I'm wrong and my argument is made mute, I'm sorry) it says in the end that she ended up ruling her kingdom with love and all that. Still, you never see her do that though, which is why I do agree with you that she fits with the others, just not as much since the movie actually says that she did something besides just get married.
BriannaNLC 5 months ago
@BriannaNLC Also, why did brown hair represent dead hair?
Nosaltypeanut 5 months ago
@Nosaltypeanut Honestly, I don't care all that much about things like hair color in the Princesses. I kinda just consider it people finding things to nitpick about; personally, I think she looks better with the brown hair, so if the character designers were going for "brown hair=not as good as blonde hair" thing, it backfired as far as I'm concerned.
BriannaNLC 5 months ago
What about Rapunzel, she was pretty cool, right?
umwha 5 months ago
@umwha She's cute and fun, but she's nothing really unique.
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago
Yes, to SO MUCH of this. Especially about how disney needs to be way more diverse.
I think the 'adventure' thing disney princesses are looking for is really just a simpler way of saying they're looking for 'fulfillment' in their lives. So I'd say, yeah, Belle, Ariel, and Jasmine find that in the end of their stories even thought they don't end up going on an epic quest or whatever.
caelestis17 5 months ago
Wow, your deep mel.
umwha 5 months ago
I don't think people really want a movie with LGBT stuff in it at the moment. Disney is a business, so obviously they are going to make what people will buy.
Ftheebeep 5 months ago
Whats your opion about Kida from Atlantis the lost empire she's not exactly normal Disney girl.
MrsWillsay 5 months ago 2
@MrsWillsay Walt Disney said that he never wanted a Afro American princess... And yet disney did it after he died.. Times are changing. its important for kids to see and learn that there are different types of love like LGBT. Hate comes from ignorance and being ueducated. .
gobais53 5 months ago 23
@gobais53
But, you know, when they do make a disney princess fall in love with another princess, it's going to be a media explosion with a bunch of bible-thumping nutjobs blowing up movie theaters. I mean, there was a big stink about brokeback mountain, and that movie wasn't even meant for kids.
TheOneThatYouLoathe 5 months ago
@gobais53 Disney should make Romeo & Julius. :)
TomMSTie1138 5 months ago
@MrsWillsay She is the most awesome, but totally underrated, princess of them all.
LunarEclipse360 5 months ago
@Zipblockgory Not just that, but Disney translates its movies to be exported to countries all around the world. (Even the crappy straight-to-home sequels are exported!) We would have to live in a day and age where every single modernized country across the globe is tolerant of homosexuality, and that's obviously not going to happen in a very long time, if at all. So, I have absolutely zero hopes of a lesbian Disney princess. The most I can hope for is a happily single princess.
CherryFairy02 5 months ago
The only famous Disney movies I can think of that didn't have romantic subplots were Alice in Wonderland (because she was still just a child and there were no little boys in Wonderland for her to crush on,) and maybe Mary Poppins (but the romantic tension between her and Bert was so blatant that I'm not sure if I can count that.)
CherryFairy02 5 months ago
A lot of Disney fans misunderstand why Belle was such an outcast at the beginning of Beauty and the Beast. It wasn't because she was a highly-intellectual bookworm, but because she was a literate woman in a time period when literate women were extremely rare.
(continued in second post...)
CherryFairy02 5 months ago 8
@CherryFairy02 Oh I get that, but people project intelligence onto Belle because she reads and assume she is a highly-intellectual bookworm.
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago 6
In our current society Disney would never promote Gays, Lesbians etc everything has to be politically correct or it's a no go for them. I wish Disney would give us more strong Male oriented movies, I mean Treasure Planet was such a relatable movie to me, the whole single mom thing and Jim Hawkins was so me as a person from his teen years to when he grew up. I want more Disney movies like that, Tarzan, Hercules.
Zipblockgory 5 months ago 5
@Zipblockgory Not just that, but Disney translates its movies to be exported to countries all around the world. (Even the crappy straight-to-home sequels are exported!) We would have to live in a day and age where every single modernized country across the globe is tolerant of homosexuality, and that's obviously not going to happen in a very long time, if at all. So, I have absolutely zero hopes of a lesbian Disney princess. The most I can hope for is a happily single princess.
CherryFairy02 5 months ago 2
I love how you say everything I think but don't really know how to express in words.
^^
jaidadraco 5 months ago
Wow, never thought of this, you didn't went overboard, you spoke your opinion and you showed the facts and I think this video was pure awesome!
Nortrodamas 5 months ago
I'd like to see them do more non-European fairy-tales and I would love to see a Princess with a real goal (and they aren't obsessed). And a non-romantic one would be nice too. But I think since everyone remembers the big romantic songs, that will never happen.
In a few decades I think we will start having LGBT Disney movies because there are a lot of cartoons now that are just shy of blatant.
RoryTReaper 5 months ago 4
I have the weirdest feeling that Dreamworks will be doing a gay couple long before Disney does... I mean, if TVTropes is to be believed, Miguel & Tulio from The Road to El Dorado were briefly intended to be a couple.
I agree that people need to take off the Disney-nostalgia goggles from time to time. And not just with the Princess movies - Hunchback 2 did the same thing as Pocahontas 2; they couldn't have Quasi be content with finally finding his self-worth, oh no... he had to get a hot chick.
vanillaskulldirector 5 months ago 8
I've made that point about the source materials not being progressive, and the films being made long before people became progressive, but it seemed to go in one ear and out the other.
I do think the Belle point in regards to the books she's reading is a bit of a stretch though, we only SEE her reading two books, but she's surrounded by books, she could have read just about anything.
LeonSKennedy828 5 months ago
@LeonSKennedy828 It's more to say we assume she's reading something brilliant, but we get Jack and the Beanstalk, a romance and Romeo and Juliet [in human again]. People link her intellect to reading when we don't really know WHAT she's reading.
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago
@MelinaPendulum I guess so. Still, I think it's pretty safe to assume not ALL of the books were like the two examples you mentioned, from where I'm looking at. But I can't really prove it I suppose, heh.
LeonSKennedy828 5 months ago
@LeonSKennedy828 I'm not saying that's all she reads, but I'm saying that we having to base her being the "smart" princess other than her reading books and the books we do see her read aren't that amazing. Of course there could potentially be more, but there is nothing to prove what she reads/the quality of it, etc. [[Belle is still the smart one in my heart <3 tbh]]]
MelinaPendulum 5 months ago