1 of 12 Cathy Burns on Nephilim, Fallen Angels and Aliens What Does the Bible Say?

[Shekanahh]

Beware of false brethren, and wiccans who come to Christian forums and sites ridiculing sincere Christians and attempting to shake them from faith in Yashua, and/or trying to get them to compromise with the world.

[maycio5]

if thats true then why do adam and eve feel naked when god calls apon them and then why do adam and eve cover there privites with fig branches? because eve has lost her inesence and eve suduced adam which adam never had sex w/ satan just eve had sex with him

[GeneticallySuperior1]

It's very interesting that every word thats proceeded from this Woman's mouth runs parallel to a subject I've been studying for years. Thank you for spreading the truth & I know this isn't a teaching that makes friends for darkness cannot possibly comprehend the light.

[YVFH45SE]

Why do you think it said Jesus will come on the clouds? Well he does, the SUN rises in the clouds every morning. EVERYONE has been mis-interpretting scripture all along, you guys have been deceived your entire lives by taking a literal approach to scripture. i sincerely hope I did not just feed pearls to pigs that will trample on this knowledge. EVERYBODY It's time to get a life and do some serious research instead of having people your whole life tell you everything. Face reality

[CathyFromPensacola]

@YVFH45SE Intersting comments. Nevertheless, I believe Jesus Christ is God and not because someone told me but because of my encounter with Him which began over 30 years ago: watch?v=ANm1qNoBFAQ

[TheHumanity100]

@YVFH45SE - very interesting stuff. I have also listened to Jordan Maxwell's views on this subject and this is similar to what you're saying. I would like to know more so any links / messages much appreciated. Thanks

[YVFH45SE]

Why do you think Jesus was called the MORNING STAR, LIGHT of the world, RISEN savior? Jesus is nothing more than a symbolic figure whom represents the SUN. Why was Jesus known as the great fisherman? Because everyone that studies astrology knows that the fish represents PISCES, the sun is currently in PISCES. THE STORY OF JESUS IS A TALE OF ASTROLOGY. Many will look with their eyes but not see, they will listen with their ears but not hear... Don't you guys understand...

[charlieangel1000]

This type of teaching is why the church will be deceived in the last days.

The trees are symbols. When we study family genealogy its called a family tree!

We belong to the tree of life or the tree of knowledge .

The tree of life represents the true Christ

Isaiah 61:3 KJV that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified .

saints- called trees

Tree of knowledge is satan Ez.31:9-13 He called a tree in eden/Ez 28:13-19

[islandbuoy4]

all you need to do is read the comments by the bible babblers on this youtube video to realize how twisted these sisters are....

namaste

[ORBuddha]

Serpent seed and the belief in the Nephilim are not the same thing. Serpent Seed has to do with sex with the serpent as sex, but why would the punishment placed on Eve have to do with Child bearing if there had been no replication or child birth up to that point. The belief that the Nephilim are the children of fallen angels has to do with genesis 6:4 also correctly translated as Giants. The Sons of God can be identified as Angels in Job 1:6, their sin identified in Jude 1:6-11.

[MopDMTBARTL]

Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminat­i-NAZIS-CFR (luciferian jews) run the world. All secret societies, organized religions ruled by an elite bloodline, same bloodline ruling from Egypt 2 Rome British (European) Empire - America Empire (1913 Fed Reserve. Presidents & King stand at whim of the real power which is the priest hood (Priests - Bishops - Cardinals - Pope) standing behind the throne - trying to form it's one world luciferian gov't.

truthknowledge. Com

truthknowledge. com/The_System. php

[Grrraig]

There is considerable evidence that Jesus quoted directly from the Book of Enoch and that early Christians held it as an important souce of wisdom and truth. The bible also mentions "Book of Jashar" or "Book of the Upright" and this is lost today although some sources claim to have rediscovered it. There are eight books not in the modern "bible" that are quoted as being sacred books important to the Jews and early Xians. How open minded are we to what that message might REALLY be?

[CathyFromPensacola]

@Grrraig ... and the source of this "considerable evidence"? Please message me the link.

[jtatsiue]

@Grrraig, thanks for sharing that valuable information. The book of Revelation contains a warning against adding or removing from the word; my guess is that the warning exists because the word has indeed been tampered with. Just reading the English variations of scripture won't reveal the hidden manna. I believe that God wants us to hunger and thirst for wisdom, to study the word in the original languages but the modern church, especially in America, unwittingly privileges the words of men.

[jtatsiue]

Hey everybody, check out Zen Garcia's book, "Lucifer, Father of Cain". You can read large portions of the book for free on amazon, enjoy! 

[jtatsiue]

@ShekinahBreeze, in the OT doesn't Yahweh ask that the nation of Israel destroy the surrounding pagan tribes? What about the "giant" inhabitants of the land of Canaan? Yahweh wanted them wiped out. I used to struggle with this but understanding that those tribes weren't just blasphemous, cannibalistic, etc... they were Nephilim and thus not fully human, not descendants of Adam and, I'm assuming, not redeemable.

[ritmotraveler]

Also, I'm pretty sure that the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden was SEX! And I'm pretty sure Lucifer is real and controlling this planet as we speak, using the NWO and secret societies and the 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati.

[ritmotraveler]

Also, I'm pretty sure that the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden was SEX!

[CathyFromPensacola]

@ritmotraveler Ridiculous. What is your proof?

[ritmotraveler]

@CathyFromPensacola lol, ok that statement is just my interpretation and I'm not preaching it. But if your asking why I say that, well know that's a whole other topic, wait are you asking about the apple or the NWO.

[jtatsiue]

"So the Fall of Man was caused merely by Adam's disobedience to a commandment? The Bible says that "as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" (Rom.5:12). Why must sin fall on every man in every generation, when the Scriptures clearly mention in Exodus 20:5; 34:7; Numbers 14:18 and Deuteronomy 5:9 that God would visit "the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation" only?"

[CathyFromPensacola]

@jtatsiue What is much more important is that through faith in the Son of God, LORD Jesus Christ, that our sin is washed away and we are forgiven... this is the Good News!

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe." Galatians 3:22

What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus!

[jtatsiue]

@CathyFromPensacola, you didn't address my point and when the other contributor to this discussion expressed his opinion you insensitively dismissed it as being, "ridiculous" and demanded proof, well, I've asked a pointed question and you've skirted it, retreating to much safer, incontrovertible topics, please stay on point. You've launched a 12 part series so you must think this topic is important. Please address my question, why were the sins of our original parents applied to everyone?

[CathyFromPensacola]

@jtatsiue Listen, friend, I'm not into arguing or debating. I simply believe what the scriptures says. I don't have all the answers but I trust the LORD Jesus Christ. I posted this video series because I enjoyed listening to it. If you don't like it or agree, fine.

[jtatsiue]

@CathyFromPensacola, when another contributor expressed their opinion you responded with "ridiculous" and demanded proof and now you're saying that you don't want to debate or argue. Don't denigrate, downplay, diminish, dismiss or impugn the comments of others in a forum that's built for "discussion" and then turnaround and say that you're not interested in the very type of discourse that this medium is designed to facilitate. I simply believe in what the scriptures say as well.

[jtatsiue]

Debate doesn't have to be contentious and I'm sure you're receptive to a word fitly spoken in the spirit of love and truth, that said, you owe that other contributor a public apology.

[jtatsiue]

@CathyFromPensacola, Now, what was the iniquity, or sin, of our father Adam and mother Eve that it fell not only unto the fourth generation but on ALL generations?

[CathyFromPensacola]

@jtatsiue The sin in the garden was rebellion and disobedience.

[jtatsiue]

@CathyFromPensacola, agreed, in fact, no one who believes that the Bible is the infallible Word of God would disagree but again why did the sins of Adam and Eve taint the entire human race as opposed to merely infecting the next 3 or 4 generations as plainly stated in the scriptures I referenced? It seems like a contradiction but since we know that the Bible never contradicts itself, it can't be. So, how do you reconcile the two seemingly incongruous passages?

[jtatsiue]

@CathyFromPensacola, I'm not sure that ritmotraveler's conclusion is utterly unfounded, heretical or the stuff of conspiratorial fabrication or hokum. Again, the original languages paint a much different picture than our English translations. A more nuanced, intricate reading of these passages is in order I think. It isn't a stretch to conclude that the nature of the original sin was horrific and unspeakably macabre given the breadth and severity of the consequences, is it?

[jtatsiue]

Here's a list of modern day scholars who subscribe to the "angel" view, i.e. that the phrase "sons of God" refers to angels. G.H. Pember Merrill F. Unger F. Delitzch Chuck Smith C.H. Mcintosh Hal Lindsay Arthur W. Pink I.D.E. Thomas Arnold Fruchtenbaum Donald G. Barnhouse A.C. Gaebelin M.R. DeHaan Henry Morris Chuck Missler

[jtatsiue]

Did you know that most of the early church fathers believed that the Nephilim were indeed the offspring of fallen angels who had mated with the "daughters of men"?

Here's a list:

Justyn Martyr

pseudo-Clementine

Martin Luther

Athenagoras

John Wycliffe

Josephus Flavius

[jtatsiue]

"And it came to pass, when men began

to MULTIPLY on the face of the earth, and

daughters were born unto them, that the

s o n s o f G o d

saw the daughters of men that

they were fair; and they TOOK them

wives of all which they chose".

(Gen.6:1-2)

[jtatsiue]

Here's the mistake a think these women are making: they assume that Scripture must either be "literal or allegorical" but that it can't be both and it seems that Scripture is quite often both. Here's what Ecclesiastes 7:18 says, "It is good that you grasp one thing and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears God comes forth with both of them."

[jtatsiue]

On proper Biblical interpretation part 2, regarding the original Hebrew language, "There is the p'shat, which is direct, simple and literal, the remez, which is a hint or alluding to, there is the darash which is a commentary or comparison, then we have the most mystical of the four, the sod, which is the deeply hidden and encrypted."

Conclusion: it is impossible to understand the Word without a grasp of the Hebrew, English isn't enough.

[floridagulfskywatch]

@jtatsiue Your conclusion brings hopelessness to those of us who do not know Hebrew. The LORD Jesus Christ is the Word incarnate, God almighty Who reveals Himself to anyone, even children who cannot read, so your conclusion is not logical nor is it truth.

[jtatsiue]

@floridagulfskywatch, unfortunately there's no way to encapsulate the enormity of the truth into these tiny posts but I'll try. You've actually misunderstood but that's not your fault, inadequate space to explain but not only does one not have to be conversant in Hebrew to be saved one does not even have to be LITERATE. Faith comes by "hearing" and "hearing" by the Word of God. The letter is dead when divorced from the Spirit and we are the Spirit-filled, living epistles who preach the Word.

[jtatsiue]

You are very correct in referencing the Lord as the Word incarnate which is why I raised the point that the Word is to be preached, "heard" and combined with faith. We are to embody the Word now. The medium is the message as Marshall McLuhan so sagely coined. We differ only on the meaning of the phrase "sons of God". I subscribe to the angel view, you do not. Again, I don't need to refer to "extra-Biblical" texts to substantiate my position. The days of Noah are here again.

[jtatsiue]

@floridagulfskywatch, Also, just because a grasp of the Hebrew isn't necessary for salvation, sanctification doesn't mean that those who have access to it should shun it as though it were some hermeneutic scourge. You are so privileged; at least a billion people have yet to make a phone call and yet here you are on the Internet. You have access to Strong's concordances & software that provide the Hebrew translations. You can pay for classes, etc... Do it, study to show yourself approved!

[jtatsiue]

On proper Biblical interpretation: "We unfortunately approach the scriptures with a Roman/Greek mindset however, the Bible was written by Hebrews from a Hebrew mindset which is quite different than our western one. In our mindset the scriptures are either literal or allegorical. In the Hebrew culture there were four levels of interpretation that could actually be overlapping like an onion skin."

Google the Echoes of Enoch website for more information.

[floridagulfskywatch]

@jtatsiue The so called Book of Enoch is not considered to be truth nor the Word of God and it is being used by the devil today to mislead many including yourself it appears.

[jtatsiue]

@floridagulfskywatch, that's not necessarily the case, I've heard that it may have been considered canon at one point, your assertion is contested by other scholars, also the book of Enoch is quoted in what you consider to be the canon, so.... at least we know some parts of the book are congruent and compatible with Scripture, the parts that deal directly with the information regarding the Nephilim. You say one thing, other scholars have said another, I'm still in the middle studying the issue

[jtatsiue]

@floridagulfskywatch, and the devil used Scripture itself to pervert truth and draw Adam and Eve (the devil even tried using Scripture to ensnare the Messiah) from the Father's will, that, of course, does not nullify the veracity of Scripture ergo your argument for dismissing the truths contained within the book of Enoch aren't convincing.

[goldenscales]

Blah, blah, blah. Truly the Prophet spoke well when he said, "There is nothing new under the sun".

(Ecclesiastes, for you christians!)

[MrKurt1962]

I never bought into the theory that fallen angelic beings had sex with human women.... that's impossible, spirit beings are sexless and do not procreate. This idea may be popular but it comes from trusting extra bilblical sources such as the 'book of enoch" and others... but these are not Scripiture.

[CathyFromPensacola]

@MrKurt1962

Totally agree.

[ritmotraveler]

@MrKurt1962 ok,what about Genesis 6.2,where it says the sons of Heaven saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took them for wives and the nephilim came out of their union and they became men of renown. Sounds like snug snug to me.Cain is the son of lucifer and Abel was the son of Adam

[jtatsiue]

@ritmotraveler, great point, the hosts of this program have said that anyone who subscribes to the theory that the Nephilim were a hybrid of human and angelic DNA are either privileging extra-Biblical texts above the canon or they're using a metaphorical interpretation that God didn't intend, well, Jesus called the Pharisees the offspring of the Devil. I'm guessing that the hosts would interpret that verse as metaphorical, convenient, as their position requires it to be.

[ritmotraveler]

@jtatsiue Also, I read the Book of Enoch and it goes into way more detail about this unholy union.

[Letitpassthroughyou]

@MrKurt1962 if they have left their first estate then they are no longer solely spirit. The angels in Sodom looked good enough for the perverts to want to have sex with...Angels were served food in the Bible....Satan walks "to and fro" upon the earth....etc...etc...etc...

[jtatsiue]

@MrKurt1962, are you sure you're right about that? I'd spend a little more time looking into it. As I've posted, the recognized canon provides ample support for fallen angels procreating with women. Fallen angels can manifest "flesh" according to Scripture, they do not have to procreate, they're eternal, but have chosen to do so anyway, also the book of Enoch isn't altogether unreliable, it is quoted in the canon, the phrase "sons of God" is believed to refer to angels NOT men in Gen. 6:1-4

[bryngOneOn]

10 blind men encounter elephant blocking their passage. people see and hear what they want to see. all these so called written secrets and ancient wisdom is irrelevent, we all know in our hearts what is right and what is wrong, as soon as group[s start trusting in what others have written is just one more entry point for evil into our hearts

[Here4Yeshua]

Just a fair warning to those who are about to listen to this series, as a University student who studies ancient religions as a matter of vocation, I must say this. These two woman are clearly misinformed on this topic, they do have some good points concerning some things, ie cain and such...but in other areas they have missed the point drastically. I am not saying do not listen, but certainly do not take it to the bank, opose this series with proper indeapth study, its a very deep topic.

[jtatsiue]

@Here4Yeshua, I appreciate your input, which points do you think they're off base on? I came to this video series firmly believing in a literal interpretation of Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch is quoted what is currently recognized as canon but I don't need to consult extra-Biblical or pseudepigraphical sources to substantiate my belief regarding the Nephilim or the lineage of Cain, etc... Where do you stand on such issues? What scriptures would you use to justify whatever position you take?

[jtatsiue]

@Here4Yeshua, I've only listened to the first part of this series, they have issues with a symbolic interpretation of Scripture, the problem with that is of course that some Scriptures do contain embedded symbolic, layered truths, some revelations are sealed, some are hidden, e.g. "hidden manna", as God delights in hiding Himself, I'm not sure that the "trees" in the Garden were exclusively literal as I've heard that they may have indeed been figures of speech for lineages, DNA, reproduction

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue My issues with her are many, I listened to this a while ago so I would have to go through again. From the start however she is saying "these people" meaning those who believe in fallen angels intermingling with man, and lumping the whole issue into one view. There are many positions on the topic, the one she seems to address is certainly not the one biblical Christians believe, ie the Nephilim are a product of Cain who is a "son" of Satan. In fact I think she... CONTINUED...

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue is addressing some other womans view and making it seem all people who hold to a view of fallen angels mixing with man follow her line of reasoning. So this from the start is simply silly. There are other things as well but I will have to listen to recall them, I remember it got worse and worse. I will do that and get back to you. Concerning where I stand, I believe the bible alone, and I feel it is clear without mysterious interpretation that Fallen Angels did mingle with humans.

[jtatsiue]

@Here4Yeshua, again, great points, the hosts of this program are zealous and rigidly dogmatic and are that way, they think, purely out of their desire to be obedient to the Lord, but we all bring a set of built-in biases to the interpretation of Scripture that we'll eventually have to discard in order to receive the truth. I want to know the truth. I think a lot of Christians just cannot accept that fallen angels have sinned as egregiously as the Bible seems to flatly state but they did.

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue I think drawing a "genetic" line between the bloodlines and the seed of Satan might be difficult to do. One would have to have their hands on purely factual genetic history from beginning to end, I don't know if that is actually possible. As far as I know biblically the term seed of Satan is not restricted to a genetic line but is also spiritual. Jesus said to the Pharisees "you are of you father the devil" and we know they were men. For me the most important thing to remember CON...

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue is that nothing is impossible for God Luke 1:37. Salvation biblically is an act of God upon men, it is he who grants men repentance, Jhn 6:65 , Phl 1:29. So if nothing is impossible for him and it is he who does all the work I think the question, if we were to look for it in the bible, would be, "will or would" God grant them salvation if he choses rather than if it is within their ability to repent. I don't think any man has the ability to repent without God acting on their heart.

[jtatsiue]

@Here4Yeshua, that's an important point, that we can't repent apart from the grace of God, I have heard of several former Illuminati members that have defected, broken away from their families and have professed a faith in Christ. Many of them are later killed or imprisoned for their disloyalty. 

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue Yeah I have heard of a few as well, sad they were killed but its certainly better to die with Jesus than to live without him, and those who killed them will see justice no doubt. Do you think the whole UFO disclosure will happen soon, a deception on mankind sort of thing?

[jtatsiue]

@Here4Yeshua, it definitely appears to be heading that way, if Hollywood is owned by a faction of the Illuminati then there does seem to be a brainwashing, programming campaign underway, the masses have been fed the same propaganda since the original War of the Worlds, books like I.D.E. Thomas' Omega Conspiracy point to a false UFO unveiling in the last days, you may be familiar with Project Blue Beam, a good book addressing that is "Beyond Science Fiction", fallen angels posing as saviors

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue The typical stuff, but after watching walid shoebat and reading some of his material dealing with scriptures my opinion is beginning to change,. The bible seems to outline explicitly Islamic nations and Islamic ideology as a major end time force. I do not think the epicentre of power in the end times will come from western power but middle eastern, the west will be on its knees and will not be able to stop it because of poverty and bankruptcy. I do believe there is the Illuminati cont

[jtatsiue]

As the prophet Isaiah says, "the end is from the beginning", God has already revealed in ancient times what is still to come, fallen angels have repeatedly duped humanity into worshiping them as gods and it'll happen again. I'm curious, have you read The Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier?

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue I have not read any of his books but I have watched his lectures. He recently got out of prison apparently, I thought he was dead for some reason. Looking at the world stage I feel things are getting really close, the prophecies being fulfilled concerning the Jewish people, the third temple ready to be rebuilt, the nations mentions in Ezekiel 38 are now unified under Islam and ready to attack. I used to hold to a western view of end times, ie wold government western Roman empire CONT..

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue masonic power in our governments, and major control by very evil people in the west. The problem I have with them being the end time force is, although they have power I do not think they will be able to muster up the ability to control via man power. One would have to convince me that every western soldier would be willing to push their agenda to the end. I feel it would be the inverce, most would fight against it. However, the Islamic culture has what is the most important aspect CON

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue required to push what I think the bible describes the end times looking like, that is both the ideology, and the man power that adheres to that ideology. We can look at the ideology of the Illuminati and see it is evil, but it lacks the ability to muster millions of men to follow it, Islam does not. And when looking at the bible every nation mentioned who is fighting for the Antichrist in the end times is Islamic, every single one. Every nation Jesus fights at his return CONT....

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue is Islamic. ANd when looking at Islamic eschatology it outlines exactly what the bible states, that Muslims will pick up arms and fight Christians, Jews, the world, and eventually what they call the Antichrist who if you compare to the bible would be Jesus. So for me I think the answer is simple, The Illuminati are real, they do have a role in the end times, but not what most think, to be the end time power. I think they will cause the west to fall, and Islam will rise at that moment.

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue So in short the west will fall and not be the end times power, they will fall at the hands of greed coming from the power within our governments, that is why the west is completely absent from biblical end times eschatology, not mentioned in the slightest biblically. However Islam is and it is so clear once you look for it in the scriptures. Satan will eliminate the west not use it so Islam his religion can have its day.

[Here4Yeshua]

@jtatsiue As far as this woman is concerned I think she should read a little more concerning the subject, I think she has actually confused two arguments and does not realize it. Those who believe the Angels did mix with men hold that the term sons of God are the fallen angels, those who argue this is not true hold that the sons of God are descendants of Cain. She has actually confounded the two opposing arguments on the topic thinking they are the same. She needs edification on the topic.

[jtatsiue]

I originally came to this subject because I began studying the UFO phenomenon and realized that the activities of the "alleged" aliens made sense only when comparing them to the activities of the fallen angels and their offspring. Currently, I'm reading The Bloodlines of the Illuminati, I wonder if those Illuminati lineages contain strains of Nephilim ancestry, meaning, I guess, that they're less than human or not quite the seed of Adam? Can anyone of that lineage ever truly repent?

[ABSTRACTTK1A]

Hi cathy.Check out the face of jesus.God Bless.

[avatarisme]

When the serpent told Eve she would not die, and people use this to argue against GODS word by claiming Eve never died ... theyre in error.. Eve did die but not immediately, in the Garden they had immortality, eating of the fruit made them mortal and had them removed from their original state.. Exactly what happened with the fallen angels..

[jtatsiue]

@avatarisme, excellent point, angels can indeed manifest in the flesh, although their flesh might be different from ours, but they certainly can take on a corporeal form of some type. The word "serpent" did have symbolic meaning, one of the meanings according to the Hebrew was "changeling" perhaps that could be alluding to the shape-shifting ability of the "serpent" in the Garden.

[avatarisme]

This explains why JESUS said in John 15

18 - If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.

19 - If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you

[TheLieWeLive]

Wow, so many opinions. To bad that's all it is. An opinion. Read all the scripture you want but know this...it was written and rewritten by man so it is faulty. Religion is regional. You live in Iraq, chances are you might be Islamic. You live in America, chances are you might be Christian. From birth to death you are told what you should believe. We say don't judge as we are judging. God, Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah have all the same essence. My opinion. Can't we just all get along?

[jtatsiue]

@TheLieWeLive, while liberties have definitely been taken with regards to the English translations, the original languages are such that the true meaning cannot be tampered with. As I posted earlier, the Hebrew can be interpreted from at least 4 different perspectives simultaneously, and without contradiction, it's as if the Word is supernaturally encrypted with overlapping, interlacing metaphorical, allegorical and literal meanings juxtaposed and superimposed like a tapestry

[kellirene65]

Well, it isn't the tree that is being represented as the sexual metaphor, it 's the 'fruit' which come to be known as the apple. But, as to her point, there are no specifics saying it was a sex act, so it is dangerous for us to jump to that conclusion. Either way though, if it were the fruit or if it were a sex act, the same result occurred. We became fallen people.

[jtatsiue]

@kellirene65, there isn't any overt, obvious reference to a sex act in English but if you consult the original Hebrew and ask someone conversant in parsing that language then you'll find a much different story emerging from Genesis and God expects us to dig for that message that can't be mistranslated, the original language is incorruptible, the Hebrew is simply too dense, too layered, too internally corroborative and consistent to be distorted by our sloppy, fallible modern English versions

[romusic82]

@SlimD11 the bible is full many things that for humans beings might be too much; for example the bible talks about the 12 constellations of the universe, Orion, Pleadies, that earth was round and many other things that were not discovered a few hundreds years after Jesus. You look at History it's always divided between B.C (before Christ) and A.D. (Ano Dominni or the year of our Lord) The bible and its content can be proven both scientifacally & arecheological you just have to have an open mind

[jtatsiue]

@romusic82, great point, I've heard that the Bible has consistently revealed scientific truths that humankind often won't acknowledge for at least 1,000 years

[jerico641]

God's walkin' in the garden?? This here tree?? Symbolizing somethin' that does not get symbolized?? What the hell kind of doctor is this lady anyway?

[jtatsiue]

@jerico641, She's just interpreting the Bible from a strictly Western, analytical, linear and left-brained mindset and of course she's blind to her built-in cultural bias. If she were less doctrinaire and more open-minded she'd be able to see the limitations of her approach.

[jerico641]

@jtatsiue

Yeah, I'll say she's closed-minded alright.  But I'm from that same type of background and I managed to see it for what it really was and free myself from it when I became an atheist years ago. I know I don't possess any extraordinary mental prowess (I wish!), so I always wonder how other people seemingly just as intelligent as me, can't see religions and gods for the absolute nonsense they are.

[jtatsiue]

Einstein said that what mattered most was the intuition, not empirical science, logic, reason, argumentation but intuition, the hunch, the "splinter in your mind" that drives you to believe things that cannot be quantified or proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Even the Bible says that we see as though through a glass darkly. We're peering into realms that supersede this temporal, material reality. If you cast all spirituality aside, you've lost something.

[jtatsiue]

Fundamentally, all I'm certain of is that I need a savior & I'm putting my faith in Christ. You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss all things spiritual or Biblical for that matter. I'm trying to convince the ladies that produced this series that the original languages contain deeply embedded truths that are vital to their understanding and I'd encourage you to Google the phrase "echoes of Enoch" and read the articles archived there. If you're hungry for truth then check it out.

[jerico641]

@jtatsiue

Well, I'll answer this comment here since I don't feel like answering all four of them, okay? First, I am always hungry for truth, and that's why I don't buy into religion. I figured you were a christian, but why do you believe that you "need" a "savior"? What have you done that was awful enough to warrant that need? Also, I am not closed-minded with regard to my lack of belief in gods; I merely state that at present, there is no viable proof that a god exists, that's all.

[jtatsiue]

@jerico641, that's cool but I never suggested that you accept a religion, also, what type of proof are you waiting for? Humans can only tangibly detect a tiny sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum, the rest we need instruments for but our observational powers are extremely limited, quantum physics has demonstrated that our material reality is SUBJECTIVE according to individual perspective, i.e. you can't even trust your senses. If the Bible is true then the proof lies outside our world.

[jerico641]

@jtatsiue

Then why believe in it? If I told you there was an invisible dragon that resided in my garage but was actually part of another reality altogether and therefore not confirmable, would you believe that? And yes, you're right, we have developed instruments over the centuries to allow us to see into parts of the natural world which were invisible to us before. The day an instrument locates and confirms the existence of god, I'll believe it. Scientific, testable, repeatable proof.

[jtatsiue]

@jerico641, science goes no further than our material universe, God as creator lies outside it but creation does bear His mark, testifies to His handiwork, reveals His character, etc... The question remains (not to get all X-Files on ya) do you "want" to believe in God? Are you hungry to know whether or not God is real and can be known? I believe that human beings can know God. We may be physical beings trapped in a finite existence but we have spirits that yearn for an escape.

[jtatsiue]

So if Einstein, arguably one of the greatest scientists of all time, says trust your intuition not what you can quantitatively verify and quantum physicists assert that physical matter is, in part, constructed by our own consciousness and is thus NOT an objective reality, again, I'll ask where are you looking for this proof that God exists? You say that the existence of God isn't provable but science has demonstrated that "proof" itself is overrated.

[jerico641]

@jtatsiue

Proof through the scientific method is not "overrated"; you're diminishing it's importance to better support your position. The scientific method has led us to discover gravity, DNA, the components of the brain, etc. And by all means, use your intuition all you want when making a selection or whatever, it's just another part of your brain at work. And reality is reality, provable through science; yet EVERYBODY has a subjective view of it, so what?

[jtatsiue]

@jerico641, take Einstein's quote however you like, I did not mean to denigrate science altogether but science does not supersede matters of the spirit, Einstein apparently wanted to give credence to the intuition, to the human spirit's ability to ascertain a reality beyond the scope of scientific inquiry. If you don't feel that there are realms that science cannot commandeer, so be it.

[jtatsiue]

Regarding why I believe I "need" a savior, that's simple, I believe by faith in the Word that I exist in a fallen reality, a parallel, temporal, material dimension that is cut off from humanity's original "eternal" state. The Bible describes those original humans as "light beings" of spirit, flesh and bone sans blood. According to the Bible humanity now resides in a sequestered reality but a full restoration is coming, that is my hope. 

[jerico641]

@jtatsiue

Well, "hope" is a good way of describing it; personally, I wouldn't hold myself accountable just because I thought a god might have separated perfect from imperfect; that was HIS deal and wouldn't have anything to do with me. I hold myself accountable only for the things I do. And "light beings" of spirit, with no blood?? Come on, now, do you really believe that?

[jtatsiue]

@jerico641, according to Scripture we were NOT flesh and blood until after the fall and it also says that flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God. I believe that according to Scripture we were created to live in an eternal realm with God and the "light" of His presence and truth emanated from every cell in our spirit-based bodies, we still have spirits but we are now primarily physical beings with bodies suited for this temporary existence.

[jtatsiue]

@jerico641, if God had not separated us from the eternal realm then, according to the Bible, we'd be stuck in our fallen state forever, at least this temporary, parallel reality offers us a shot at redemption, a gift that God has freely granted, again, according to the Bible. In sum, science and spirituality aren't diametrically opposed forces, they do in fact compliment each other, not surprisingly, creation points to a Creator, even Richard Dawkins concedes an underlying intelligence

[jerico641]

@jtatsiue

Richard Dawkins never conceded there was some kind of underlying intelligence directing the Universe; if you are referring to his interview with Ben Stein, he was stating HYPOTHETICALLY that if the Universe were in fact ordered it would have a creator; Richard Dawkins is an atheist. Now, how, may I ask, does spirituality compliment science? They are diametrically opposed to each other. Lastly, how do you know that the christian bible is true?

[jtatsiue]

Also, I've done plenty of things that I've needed to ask forgiveness for. Stands to reason that wrong doing perpetrated against people automatically constitutes wrong doing perpetrated against God. Anything short of moral perfection misses the mark. No one has attained moral perfection save for the Messiah of course, again, I believe that by faith, by conscience, by intuition, by my own spirit's confirmation.

[jerico641]

@jtatsiue

Alright, from here on out would it be too much to ask you to limit your comments to 1 or maybe 2 posts? So you're telling me that I have to be perfect to be acceptable to your god, otherwise I'm considered "fallen" along with everybody else? That's some nerve your god has; holding ME accountable for something I never did. Good thing it's all faith, conscience, intuition, and spiritual confirmation, and NOT reality.

[jtatsiue]

@jerico641, wrong you're not held accountable for what you never did, you've fallen short of perfection, lied, acted selfishly, spoken a harsh word to someone, let a friend down, etc... your "fallen" state was innate, genetically predisposed but your moral choices are still your responsibility, admittedly though, some choices are influenced by forces beyond individual control but you were born with a conscience, at times you've obeyed it just as I'm sure you've ignored it at least once or twice

[jtatsiue]

be careful, dogmatic atheism is every bit as given to narrow mindedness and circular logic as blind faith, all systems of belief are by definition "closed" systems and they seek to perpetuate themselves against intruders or competing ideologies. I think these women see all dissenting opinions as false and thus they shut out ideas that would enhance what they think they already know. They have slices of truth but not the entire loaf. Be careful not to rule out matters of the Spirit

[stormtrooper125]

thats not true, read your bible if you have one and see its truth and scientific accuracy

[romusic82]

@SlimD11God works in ways that for our human mind is hard to comprehend my friend... I do believe that there's a God Creator of all the Universe and that one day all eye will see that he's real. God calls us to believe in who he is by faith not by tangible things. Science proves that in order for all creation to come about there had to be an intelligent life form.

[tgambill]

I am 57 and I'm telling you the 14 year old knows the true. The Bible is true. 100%

[nicolenickatina]

Even Satan can disguise himself to look like an angel of light.

Father only lets him go so far...

Lucifer the light bearer, strange name for the lord of darkness?

What relationship do you possibly think they had?

Deception.

[rick00770]

price is the biggest sin that will cause people to end up in hell, they are to proud to acknowledge that they are a sinner in need of salvation, how sad if you end up in hell for all eternity . don,t be to proud to admit you could be wrong about the bible, Jesus said know the truth and the truth will set you free.

[CathyFromPensacola]

I used to think that too and it wasn't until after I heard that God sent His Son Who died on the cross for me and rose from the dead after 3 days that I got on my knees and asked Jesus Christ to forgive me of my sin and come into my heart, my life changed amazingly for the better.

That was in 1976 in my living room alone one day after watching a Christian tv program which I normally never watched and today I don't even own a tv.

What happened that day? I became born-again: ANm1qNoBFAQ

[HiHater12]

JESUS CHRIST IS REAL AND I KNOW IT! I used to be addicted to so many sinful things until I asked God to forgive and deliver me and all of the addictions I used to have i no longer am addicted to THAT IS THE POWER OF GOD! THANK YOU JESUS FOR SAVING ME i pray that you will come to Jesus Christ and repent before its too late. God Bless!

[hawklanzs]

audio isn't very good. She's fading in and out making her very hard to hear.

[FOBmuzungu]

satan copied God's plans to distort the truth...always remember: SATAN HAS NO POWERS...THE ONLY POWER SATAN HAS ARE LIES AND DECEPTIONS...this is his magic!

[monarchking666]

satan does not exist, was he in the old testament..no..but i'm not saying that the bible and the old testament speaks the truth

[FOBmuzungu]

ur mind-controlled by unseen forces and u too stoopid 2 notice.

[natruto]

role playing games thats for sure! look at "World of WarCRAFT". its a roleplaying game. and one of the races in this world are aliens and their ship crashed blahblah.. and there are countless video games, books, movies, magazines, comic books etc etc.. where the wicked and evil is represented. more and more lies! the amount of manipulation, deception and craft in the world.. the wicked have spells on them to put spells on other people and make them wicked too! the path is narrow!